Why are fighting games so fucking hard and obtuse? Why do they

Weren't Soul Calibur games the kind of fighting games that you could easily get better by just playing matches? At least the combos weren't difficult so there was no need to grind them in the practice room all that much. But were they otherwise lab-heavy?

I HAVE THE GAME FOR YOU!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3jLI27ajDA

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>>385003959

>>385004150
Which SC game, which character?

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>>385003747
Some of the best things in life require an investment of time before they can be enjoyed. You wouldn't walk up to a piano for the first time and expect beautiful music to leap from your fingers.

Everyone is different. Some people pick up some things faster/slower than others. If fighting games don't "click" with you than you'll need to invest time in practice. I'm sure there are things you've felt immediately adept with where others might struggle with or even decide not to pursue.

The idea of changing the skills or time investment of fighting games would merely rob the adept, and stoically practiced, of the truly deep and complex game that they love.

You wouldn't want to do that..would you?

>>385004252
Ivy, all of them

>>385004276
I don't think I've heard a better explanation before.

>>385004276
>Some of the best things in life require an investment of time before they can be enjoyed.
Almost every other game doesn't.

I can only see fighting games as something for poor people or children who only have one game or only can go to an arcade etc, and therefore have the time to grind out match after match in the same game instead of just saying "fuck this" and using their leisure time more productively or in a more fun way.

Fighting games are really easy though, you just need to learn the controls. There's nothing to "solve" in the game, no puzzles, no quests, no grinding, just practice.
I've been playing fighting games since the late 80s

Street Fighter's pretty easy. The combos just suck, so it feels like your execution's worse than it is. You're given inputs but not timings so you're forced to use external resources for -everything-. It's the simplest of the big fighting games, but hardest to get into. Conversely, Guilty Gear is both most complex and easiest to get into due to its fantastic tutorial and combo training. It's perfectly possible to get to a good skill level in Guilty Gear Xrd solely using the ingame tutorials and resources. I highly recommend you check it out if you're interested in fighting games, even just to borrow the tutorial concepts in other games. A lot of the fundamentals carry over, so it's a good place to learn it.

>>385004526
Wow this genre you've been playing for 30 years is easy, who knew?

>>385004526
Honestly spacing is more important. And making confirms.

>>385004389
RTS games have a steep learning curve as well if you want to play at a competitive level.

Also fight sticks are expensive and every fighting game out right now has 10 gorillion DLC packs. It's definitely not a genre for poor people.

Some people genuinely enjoy investing time into a game. Once you get good at one 2D fighter you can pick up almost any other 2D fighter and learn it in a short amount of time as well.

>>385004550
Skullgirls and GG Xrd have pretty good tutorial

Git gud

>>385004703
Sticks are only really useful for street fighter since it's a 6 button game. Blazblue, Guilty Gear and Tekken all work great on a DS4. I own two high-end sticks and I still play on controller about 25% of the time.

>>385004820
I'm a grandpa that grew up on arcades so sticks just feel good to me. I use a stick for everything regardless of how optimal it is. I own a few different high end sticks as well. Put a lot of money into customizing them too.

Playing Metal Slug and Shoot em Ups on stick is super fun too.

>>385004660
It is also much harder and needs a good understanding of the game and genre in general. That's why I never get these easy control fighting games, it just means you have to jump to the point of learn everything about the game straight away cause now scrubs can do full damage combos.

Grinding out combos in training mode is easy and fun, figuring out someone's play style is stressful as fuck.

>hard
>takes literally one week to be as good at the new street fighter as any pro player
capcom fags need to die and play thirdstrike

>>385005226
But 3rd strike is quite similar to V.

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>>385005537
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S NOT

V = PEE

>>385003747
>Why do they all have an initial learning curve of a vertical wall
Because it is part of what makes the genre work, you take a part out and things start to fall apart. You change one aspect and you have to change another to support that change, this limits the type of games possible and may lead to you not having the intended effect.

If everyone can do optimal combos easy then the game is very frustrating to learn, dull at high level, less interesting to watch and generally will get figured out quick. To combat this you have to change something. Lower damage would but it makes the game take longer. You could add in lots of systems on top which will make the game a mess and hard for new players.

It also means you would lose stuff like EWGF, a difficult to preform move that has advantages because of it. If everyone could do it easy then it can't be too good without breaking the game. Do you take it away killing variety or give everyone broke stuff making it dumb?

Fighting games are just shitty rhythm games

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>buy fighting game
>practice for a bit
>realize I can't do any of the basic shit and I'll never be decent
>uninstall and never touch it again

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>/v/ whines nonstop about how casualization and handholding are ruining video games
>threads like this on a near-daily basis

It never stops being funny when casuals out themselves the second they try a multiplayer game where you can't fall back on teammates.

>>385008209
I'm going to make a game where you can only move by slapping your dick against a DDR pad and you can only attack by changing the language settings of your system and shouting the commands through a microphone in Spanish

No casuals allowed

>>385008395
Sure, but you don't get to be upset because you lose to someone who's better practiced at dick slapping and more fluent in Spanish. Don't like it? Train your dick and take a language class or play something else.

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>>385008395

So if I have never played a fighting game besides injustice do I stand a chance at being competitive in marvel v capcom? Got really fucking good at the green arrow and aquaman

>>385008827
You can be good at any fighting game if you're willing to put in the work.

>>385008827
Eventually. If you can handle combo strings, the rest is just experience and familiarity.

>>385003747
then play a fun game then you casual

>>385008395
KOF15 sounds fun

>>385009064
Joo betta watch what joo say about KOF, gringo, or joo next taco gonna have a leetle sooprise, mang.

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>>385008693

>>385008693
I didnt see the original post, but this made me spit up my drink with the fucking 'please be patient' hat, because I imagined that fucking blini cat condescendingly narrating the post.
I need to sleep.

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>>385009165

>>385004150
>one move from one character is like this

i guess kilik had one too but it was a useless gimmick.

soul calibur is the best fightan series. no bullshit 15 hit combos for 70% of your health, very few gimmicky mid low mid strings, no korean backdashing bullshit, no comeback mechanics and no fucking fireballs.

fuck soul calibur 5 for killing this great series

>>385004389

>Almost every other game doesn't

No, most of them do, you've just simply played other genres and never fighting games, hence you can't play fighting games for shit compared to the genres you've already invested time in.

They aren't hard.

Your human opponents are hard.

>>385008827
>aquaman

So you learnt how to Ex trident rush

>>385004276
Well put anon.

You don't expect to be able to play speed metal on the first day of learning guitar. You don't expect to beat an experienced fighter on your first day to the gym. You don't expect to be able to paint the mona lisa on the first day of painting practice.

So why do people expect to be good at fighting games as soon as they start playing?

>>385009835
I never had to grind hours in a practice mode for any other genre to learn the basic controls.

>>385007709
That attitude is exactly the reason why you have never improved.

>>385010509
Think of it like playing an instrument or like playing a sport.

>>385010509
>I never had to grind hours in a practice mode for any other genre to learn the basic controls.
you dont have to do this for fighting games either

>>385010680
But it's a videogame. It's infinitely less productive than those.

>>385010707
Then why do so many new players get stuck? Why is the genre so stagnant?

learning a fighting game is like learning a language

which also means that any time spent playing a fighting game could be spent learning a language instead

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Will we ever get another good SoulCalibur?

>>385010756
because people are better than them and they dont want to accept that they can lose without anyone else to blame it on
fighting games will be popular again when they integrate teamplay

>>385010756
>But it's a videogame. It's infinitely less productive than those.

lol
What do you produce playing football, sweat? Fighting games are no different.

>Then why do so many new players get stuck? Why is the genre so stagnant?
Why do so many people get stuck learning to play guitar or learning to draw?

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>>385010996
>What do you produce playing football, sweat
Muscle, stamina, physical fitness?

>>385010509
If you can wrap your head around what pressing buttons does for a character in a fighting game then you have bigger problems.
The complicated part of fighting games is learning the meta and developing the muscle memory for links.
>>385010756
>Why is the genre so stagnant?
It's not? There's tons of games that all approach the genre differently and every heavy hitter series in the genre has a contemporary title with people playing. Evo gets more entrants every year and there's tons of game options for players of various skill.

The only thing stagnant here is the "fighitng games are dead" meme.

>>385011039
And fighting games produce manual dexterity and train your reactions and hand eye coordination.

>>385011039
what do you produce when playing an instrument

you produce music, some pointless noise that all it does is entertain people. just like fighting games.

I've done many martial arts throughout my life. And I find it a lot easier to learn a martial art than to get good at Tekken or Starcraft or something similar.

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>>385011426
Of course, which is why the greatest minds of our time are fighting game pros.

Model citizens.

>>385011437
Music is a universal language, it appeals to almost every person on earth. You enrich yourself by playing music from the old masters and evolving into creating music of your own.

Nobody gives a damn that you know how to KBD or reliably EWGF from both sides.

>>385011426
Being in good shape from playing a sport is useful in general because you won't get cancer from being a lardass like tophat or have a heart attack at 35 like Boogie.

Becoming more dexterous from playing fighting games is only useful for...playing more fighting games.

>>385011531

if you just wanted to make a thread shitting on fighting games you should have been honest about it

faggot

>>385011663
not everyone likes the same music

Why COD Kids always prefer easy games?

>>385011531
Are you seriously implying that football players are the greatest minds of our generation instead?

>>385011510
Is there a reason you didn't say get good at a martial art as well?

>>385011790
No but I didn't say that playing football improves your mind

This shit about "reaction time" is what video game pros use to justify their hobby as something more than a casual timewaster

>>385011663
Music is literally noise that sounds good nigger. If you're going to argue that music connects people even fighting games can do that too. Fuck, having a literal circlejerk at anime convention connects people. I don't need to know the name or even know how to speak the language of the nip jerking next to me to appreciate his anal-ss-matingpress-NTR doujin.

>>385011663
>people give a shit about legitimate musical talent in 2017

>fighting games aren't also appreciated by people all around the world

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>there are people who will never EVER know the feeling of baiting and punishing a burst

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ask the only guy on /v/ that can do a shoryuken consistently ANYTHING

>>385011889
So you think that reaction times are the same as intelligence? Maybe you need to train yours a bit then.

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>>385011980
Show Evo Moment #37 to some fucking peasant in a Vietnamese rice paddy or someone living in a mountain village in Peru and ask them if it means anything to them. It wont.

>>385011889
>strawmanning this hard

Have fun with your terrible, illogical and unreasonable opinions. You obviously just want to dislike fighting games (you probably got your ass handed to you) so you're reaching as hard as you can to find ways to do so.

You're either too lazy or too stupid to get good at them. Deal with it.

>>385012053
I already failed nofap though

>>385012132
Show Eddy Van Halens Eruption to some fucking peasant in a Vietnamese rice paddy or someone living in a mountain village in Peru and ask them if it means anything to them. It wont.

>>385012060
How do you hitconfirm? Too little time for realizing was attack blocked or not.

>>385012315
>Eddy

Eddie. Fuck.

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put stinky boat in Tekken!!

>>385012315
Yes it will. It's music. You don't need to know anything about western culture, music theory, the musicians, the instruments, anything. You just listen to it and you feel it. That's the difference. It's universal.

>>385012315
fucking eruption
van halen
fucking eddie van halen

your pleb is showing /v/tard

Anyways, it will.

>>385012132
Alright, play Beethoven for some fucking Vietnamese rice paddy farmer. Won't mean anything to them, either. Fuck, if you played a traditional Vietnamese folk song to anyone in the West they'd wonder what garbage is coming out of your speakers.

>>385012508
Many people don't give a shot when they see some big artist's paintings and couldn't distinguish them from some random guy's. Guess painting is useless and unproductive.

>people actually equating playing a fighting game to creating a work of art
holy shit

>>385011793
No, I didn't mean anything by that.

But when you learn a real martial art you don't really remember moves with your head, but your muscle memory can just recreate the movement whenever you want to do it. At least, that's my experience. So there are no controls to fight.

>>385012647
(cont.)
Face it nigger, music isn't any better than fightans in terms of practicality or meaning.

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ITT we post things that always work on scrubs:

>empty jump low
>sweep
>crossups

I love to just cross the same scrub up 5 times in a row and there isn't shit he can do about it. Hilarious fun.

>>385003747
>obtuse

Because the waifus acute

>>385012647
>Alright, play Beethoven for some fucking Vietnamese rice paddy farmer. Won't mean anything to them, either.
Yes it will. The fuck?

>>385012734
Maybe I'm just autistic but I put a fair amount of effort into making my shots and takedowns perfect.

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>>385012754
Frame traps or resets into heavy attacks into a 50% combo is always a fun one.

>play a genre for 20 years
>uhh I don't see why people struggle with this it's actually pretty easy lol
why is the fgc so stupid

>>385012721
Fighting games are also a form of self expression. You know that meme about understanding people by the way they fight they sometimes pull in martial arts movies? They're true.

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>>385012952
>Fighting games are also a form of self expression.
Jesus.

>>385012734
That's the exact same for fighting games though

>>385012508
you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about you retard. music and what notes and chords people find appealing are highly based on culture. 30 years ago even in the same country people preferred different progressions and rhythm styles.

get a fucking brain you ignoramus.

>people trying to argue that fighting games need to be on the same level as music
i play them because i find it fun and like making people feel inferior when I win, plus I can get money while doing it, what more do you need? if you're gonna bitch about having to put time into the game then just go play something that doesn't require you to work your brain you lazy shit

>>385012734
>but your muscle memory
that is literally fighting games though. Scrubs have this weird mentality that to play well you are constantly having think about every move, it is reacting or more often trying to create situations that you understand how to deal with. It is like playing music without the sheet but you have to constantly adjust which song you are playing

>>385012754
Empty jump low is a legit mixup that can work against anyone.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING GAMES, YOU NEED TO RUIN THEM AND YOUR COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE LIKE MEEEEE EVEN THOUGH I WON'T BUY IT ANYWAY!!! ME ME ME! EVERYTHING IS ABOUT ME

>>385013089
I didn't say they would enjoy it you fucking clod

>>385013089
>you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about you retard. music and what notes and chords people find appealing are highly based on culture. 30 years ago even in the same country people preferred different progressions and rhythm styles.

that's because music has been getting way more braindead in the past 150 years, where cabaret trash like jazz and rawk is actually considered good and rap is anything but a joke

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>>385013226
Then stop asking me to play them.

>>385012132
>value of things is now determined by whether or not Vietnamese rice paddy farmers can appreciate them.

Are you actually mentally deficient?

>>385013526
>intentionally misrepresenting what I said
>chiming in without following the reply chain
Are you?

>>385013293
>>385013293
jesus christ, so what the fuck are they doing with it then? "feeling" it but not "enjoying" it? they're the same fucking thing. you're reaching so hard its fucking pathetic.

>>385013661
>"feeling" it but not "enjoying" it? they're the same fucking thing.
This has to be a joke.

>>385013697
you have to be a joke. lets go even further. go show some fucking charles mingus to vietnamese rice farmers and see how they feel about it.

fucking retard.

>>385009573
It is not Soul Calibur V that killed Soul Calibur.

Namco killed it, because it was eating into dem Tekken bucks.

>>385012978
He's right in that any game with some depth allows players to stylize their gameplay.

of course you can express yourself through fightans. you can express yourself through anything really. even chess.

>>385013848
Nah chess is shit, you don't even have to a DP to move your pieces. Low skill casual garbo.

>>385013848
but thats not true because i dont want it to be true.


t. OP

>>385003747
Because you just mash buttons instead of trying to play the game. Fighting games have been the easiest shit since stuff like player ranking got introduced.

>>385013929
Taking a shit on the floor and finger painting with it is self-expression. Time to hang up the fightstick.

you don't understand, it HAS to be clunky, that's the way it was 30 years ago!!

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>>385008209
Almost nobody here actually plays fighting games. The last few days of actual GG threads have been a miracle. Remember, fighting games are a niche genre. A large niche genre but still a niche. /v/ has been stuck in a console war mentality for more than a decade, and at this point the only ones keeping it going don't even bother to hide the dis-ingenuity. When you have a few different games that have the same niche audience, typically the same people end up overlapping in multiple fan and player bases.

>>385013979
>Because you just mash buttons instead of trying to play the game.

play against me and try to mash, I will punish you

What OP and so many players don't understand about fighting games is that the wall there isn't actually the controls, it's the player learning how to learn in the first place. Someone who knows how to tell what is important and what isn't and what to look for will spend way less time getting to a practical level than someone like OP. And as others have said, for fighting games the difficult start comes from two important factors that most people can't get past:
>You're going to lose and it's your fault. You will lose a lot.
>Your will feel like you are regressing before you make progress as you play slower since you have to be deliberate and think at first while before you mashed

>>385014196
Yeah that's literally the point of my post.

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>beg for people to play your games
>they do
>make fun of them for being new and bad

Playing GG i realized i like it until a combo asks me to do a P then shoryuken move then other thing. Shoryuken motion looks simple until youre fighting and feels awkward, imprecise and overly stupidly pointless when it could be a simpker input that flows in motions.

>>385003747
>anything competitive
>takes 5 minutes to fully master
I need an example of this irl

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>>385014116
>A large niche genre
>A large small audience
So what you mean is, it is normal size

>typically the same people end up overlapping in multiple fan and player bases.
Not true, Evo entrants are always great for showing this. There is very little overlap in general

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>>385014319
All four of those threads in that picture had actual discussion and people giving advice left and right to new players.

>>385004276
>You wouldn't want to do that..would you?
Yeah of course I would, why not?

>>385014408
And there's even inflated overlap at EVO since so many extra people enter SF just to do it.

The most important thing to know about fighting games is that nobody actually likes them. They started to play them because of the cool character designs and hot girls. That's how they trick you. The actual games play like shit. But waifufags are dedicated enough to drag their ballsacks through broken glass instead of masturbating instead.

>>385014232
So much this. I've been trying to help players get out of that, and usually it's their own ego holding them back. "I must be good, I'm supposed to be good! If I can't be good right now, then what chance do I have of ever getting better?" It sounds silly, but a lot of players that hit that block have that mindset.

Humility and willingness to learn and adapt are something that is actually pretty rare for people getting into the genre.

>>385014116
Anime fighters threads are fairly nice. GG and UNIST threads recently, for example. Hell, even the fighting game generals on /vg/ except /fgg/ itself are decent

>>385014597
>If I can't be good right now, then what chance do I have of ever getting better?
Adults don't have time to practice a game. There are too many other good games to play to bother with that.

>>385014319
tfw someone copies a thread you made once

>>385014669
fgg has been really nice from the short bit i've browsed, every question i've asked has been answered without people being dicks, you just gotta not ask stupid questions like 'how do i do a dp properly'

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>>385014548
>I've stayed trapped in this place log enough to think that everyone else in the internet and other websites must be a loser waifufag, it absolutely cannot be ,for any other reason, why people do x thing, /v/ is the entire world!

>>385004389
>Almost every other game doesn't.
You must be joking. The common thread of every multiplayer focused game genre is the learning curve itself, it's the part that makes competition rewarding to engage in.

Fighting games, FPS, RTS, this is the thing they all share. It sounds to me like you're just more interested in single-player or PvE games, which is totally fine, but to act like fighting games being hard is a blight against them shows a lack of understanding as to why people play PvP games in the first place.

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>>385014408
>So what you mean is, it is normal size
Fighting games in general are a big niche made up of a handful of smaller ones. But otherwise, yes. You are correct.
>Not true, Evo entrants are always great for showing this. There is very little overlap in general
Evo is made up of top players who are the best of the best of their respective game. But they are not the entirety of each game's fan base. Considering the time and dedication it takes to be on top in these games, it would make sense that the professional level players tend to stick with what they already have spent a long time practicing and experiencing. As for 98% of the rest of the fan base, they don't play professionally and have the luxury of enjoying a slow but noticeable increase in their skills which is why the majority plays multiple games.

This is also why you have mile long Xbox live bios listing an individual's main in every game on the system, or the Evo threads stating multiple streams that they're going to watch and in what order.

>>385014812
>fgg has been really nice

lol

>>385003747
Because some people think, a steep learning curve can replace depth. Hint: it can't. Fighting games are basically for the people that would have the physical abilities to be good at vidya, but not the mental abilities to match.

>>385012836
My parents are refugees of Victor Charlie. They don't give a rat's ass about music outside of V-pop and whatever schlock was considered popular in the US when they immigrated over. Not even most westerners care about classical music any more, let alone some peasant getting bumfucked by commies.

Fighting games are total shit. The one genre I'm glad is dying as it deserves.

>caring about a genre that started as a traveling carni festival scam

>>385014597
Players also try to run before they walk because of this. It's like you'll see a young player who can't deal with crossups at all but they know how to OS in some combo. Basic skills + thinking beats out techskill. Trying to emulate combos you see is far less important than the core mechanics. This year's EVO GFs is a perfect example of reaction times vs experience. That's why fighting games are good. A smart or wise player can actually overcome the player with the better "athleticism"

>>385014834
I have never had to study Youtube videos to play a competitive FPS. Point, click, fire. It makes sense. Even advanced movement techniques pale in comparison to the basic/intermediate shit in fighting games. Fighting games feel bloated by comparison.

It's comparable to a MOBA, which /v/ hates for some reason but loves fighting games. I'm not into games that require you to take a 101 class.

>>385004150
>baming a move after what does to the player

>>385014852
What a perfect example of why fighting games are ass

>>385014860
> big niche
Again this is normal sized, saying there are many parts doesn't change that

>Evo is made up of top players
No EVO attracts everyone, more casuals than usually really especially now it has a convention aspect. You still have no data to back you up that there is usually huge overlap, xbox live bios and /v/ threads where people pretend to play every game aren't.

>>385014852
haha what a dumb scrub, he didn't even take the 4 hour online course to learn about the basics

>>385014116
>The last few days of actual GG threads have been a miracle.
Right? I want us to get a SFV lobby thread thing going on, they had some every day for months. I saw a ton of people in the threads were either new, or looking to buy GG.

>>385014852
Accurate, not just to v but to most perma-scrubs in fighting games.

>>385014860
EVO has become just as much a con than where pros all meet to have their superbowl. There isn't that much overlap for competition. Hell, if anything many of those pros are willing to play several games over the average player.

>>385014906
They are. Online you get streammonsters, where are people who have never been to a tournament in their life. People that are actually in the community either will ignore you and not say anything or be super fucking helpful because they have every reason to help you. Either they are nice, or they want to see their community grow and prosper. You have to remember that unlike e-sports, FGC started as an entirely grassroots community that predates online play. People had to get together to even practice more than just a combo or two.

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If a game forces you to go online to third party resources to learn vital info without ever explaining it in-game, it's bad design. Simple as that.

>>385007709
That's kind of the problem, you give the absolute minimal amount of effort to the game and then give up right there, you're not going to be good immediately, stop crying

>>385015287
the payoff isn't worth it. the time input to fun output is shit.

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>>385014973
>techskill

smashfag exposed himself

LEAVE smashcuk. Your game isn't a fighting game. Stop speaking like an authority and go back to the ball pit.

Are there any not dead fighting games on PC? Am I really going to have to buy a PS4 to get into these

>>385015465
>Are there any not dead fighting games
no

>>385015465
SFV, Tekken 7, GG if you get on discords.

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>I-i would totally learn t-the game if the controls weren't s-so obtuse!
No, no you wouldn't.
Sticks motions are there to make you vulnerable and avoid option selects; if you could do a 3f, fully invincible shoryuken, with one button, while blocking/moving backwards you'd have a BROKEN game.
The fact that you people are asking to have a throw-tech/reversal/jump/block option selects proves that you people have no idea of fighting games.

>>385015465
Your money would be more useful going down a toilet instead.

>>385015557
>th-the controls are bad on purpose

>>385015557
just have dem on cooldowns like overwatch da best game evah xD

>>385014740
Nemo is a Japanese salaryman that probably works three times the amount you do and is one of the best fighting games players ever.

>>385003747
Then do you just want to mash buttons and call it a day?

>>385004276
>I'm sure there are things you've felt immediately adept with where others might struggle with or even decide not to pursue.
Does not having ANYTHING like that make me a worthless piece of shit?

>>385015557
Crazy how no other games have this problem.

>>385014740

If you have time to post on /v/, you have time to practice.

>>385015787
If I had to memorize and execute arbitrary techniques to post on /v/, I wouldn't.

>FGC is composed mostly of angry/racist black guys who can't control themselves
>hardly an asians are left
>vast majority of whites have been driven away

pass
shit games for literal shit people these days

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>>385015132
Fighting games as a genre in and of itself is a core genre. Like platformers or an FPS. That is what I was referring to as the "large niche".

>No EVO attracts everyone, more casuals than usually really especially now it has a convention aspect. You still have no data to back you up that there is usually huge overlap, xbox live bios and /v/ threads where people pretend to play every game aren't.
I'm going off my own experience with fighting games, so in all fairness you're not wrong when I say I have no info-graphics or data on hand to back my claims up. But I think my explanation caused a fundamental misunderstanding. Evo or comparable conventions is not the end all entirety of any fighting game's fan base. That would be like saying a competitive FPS like Counter Strike only exists when there is a major event style competition going on. However many players you have at one of those events, they are a bulk of the majority of it's fan base. And the reason you don't see overlap at those events is because anyone attending, top player or otherwise, is there for a clear minded goal: to win. Events like Evo are the big thing a intermediate player spends extra time practicing for as the deadline approaches. But they don't spend 100% of their time with games in the genre with that goal or intensity in mind.

Guys, i spend all my time shitposting on /v/ about how fighting games are shit because they require time and dedication instead of playing, why are fighting games so shit?

>>385015852
>they are not a bulk of the majorities fan base
An unfortunate typo. But I believe my point still stands.

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>>385015847
there were never whites.

>>385015773
crazy how no other game use fighting game controls to begin with you retard

>>385015847
>hardly any Asians are left
What? Is your scene in Detroit or Memphis?

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>when someone actually comes up with a fun fighting game but then "hardcoars" denounce it as not a fighting game because it isn't unfun enough

>>385015978
Thank god for that.

>>385015909
If you have to play it for more than 4 hours to find the 'fun' its not a good game, inversely fighting games have never been good, and will always be 'niche', which is a kind way of saying its a failure of a product.

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What basic stuff are you people talking about exactly?
Combos?
Footsies?
Frame traps?
Mixups?

Believe it or not, you don't need to know how to do ANY of these things to play ANY fighting game. Literal millions of people played Street Fighter II without knowledge of any of those things.
Tekken 3 is one of the biggest games on the PSX and people can barely do the things listed above. None of these things are required to play fighting games. Hell you don't even need em to beat fighting games.

What you guys are complaining about is that these things are required to play fighting games at a HIGH LEVEL. And there's a major difference between "being able to get through the game" and "being able to play like a tourney player". If you want to play at that level then you have to work for it, that goes for most video games, nobody is doing TrueStyle super sick combos in Devil May Cry 4 without working hard to get there.

And frankly if you are playing a game that doesn't require much effort to play at a high level then you are playing a game with an incredibly low skill ceiling like fucking Mario Party or something.

>>385015997
Stop. Melee is just as difficult to get into competitively. Go away.

>>385015997
Nobody actually cares except you faggots who want to start shit with everyone.

>>385015270
This is a genuine issue, I would say. Most fighting games rely on their years of presence in the genre and simply skip out on making a tutorial, expecting their players to learn either via experience or through others. And while there's certainly much to gain from bouncing ideas off of people, it should come in the form of "Hey, I saw you doing this combo a lot, why is that? Is it the most damaging one for the character?" and not asking to have the basics of your character described to you. Thankfully there are a growing number of fighting games that do not only offer you challenges for your character (which should be seen more as a way to get your foot in the door and explore what you're able to do with said character), but also go over the mechanics and give you an idea of what the whole cast is capable of if you're willing to sit through them.
On the flip side, no matter how thorough your tutorial is, some people won't bother to sit through the whole thing or go over some sections more than once so they can fully understand it.

Hardcoars? You mean the creator himself?

which fighting game should I learn?
>oh no don't play this one it's fucking shit and casualized
ok what about this one?
>that one is GARBAGE what are you thinking?
this one?
>fucking dead, don't bother
how about
>hahahahaha not this one looool holy shit
this one
>DEAD

ok well
>DUDE IT'S A GOOD GENRE I SWEAR

>>385003747
Don't listen to the bandwagon haters: Street Fighter V was made for people like you and me. It's pretty easy to hit buttons in training mode and then go to Youtube to learn the shit you couldn't figure out on your own. It's ridiculously cheap now too due to its bad reputation and probably also to make it more reasonable to buy the Season Passes, but shhhhh

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>>385014930
>fighting games don't have depth
it's the opposite

>>385015997
It's not a fighting game because you have to strip away most of the game and restrict the rules to make it resemble something like a fighting game.

Like saying GTA is a competitive racing game.

>>385015976
Its true tho, blacks ruin everything lol. It's no secret there has been a massive decline in appeal and popularity and part of it is blacks ruin everything.

Fighting games are fun because they offer a diverse array of tools to learn and master in the form of different characters and universal mechanics. You spend time in training mode mastering your toolkit and then you take those skills into battle and hone them against other players. This is a difficult, often impenetrable process for newcomers, but for those who stick with it it is often one of the most rewarding experiences that gaming has to offer. Getting good at fighting games has more or less sapped my desire to play boring single player games over the years because they offer no challenge and are not rewarding in the slightest.

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>>385003747

>>385016213
>you have to strip away most of the game and restrict the rules
All you have to do is turn off power-ups and restrict the stages to ones that aren't assaulting you with crazy shit.

"Fox only" is not a restriction, it's because he's good. You can play anyone you want.

>>385015597
>bad
Nice reading comprehension; they remain the way they are to allow for powerful moves while avoiding option selects.
>>385015773
>no other game has balancing problems
Are you retarded on purpose?

>>385015976
oh this meme this butthurt /fgg/ scrub nonwhite keeps posting so original xD

>>385004098
>Fig Marketing helps indie games make the most of their marketing budget during launch. These are some of the games we've helped with our digital marketing services.

Great now i have to deal with these kinds of shills on /v/

>>385014983
MOBAs are not as demanding of the player reflexively. Fighting games require manual skill in their handling. The most challenging technique in a MOBA is kiting. It's the other details that matter in a MOBA. You're playing a Meta-game balancing act.

SF/Fighting games are all about mastery. Knowing your character/the game so well that you know where/when to hit/what to hit with, and how to follow it.

Yes, the controls can seem obtuse, but in a game where a character might have a hundred moves, and only 6 buttons, how do you get the player his moves? You add directions, timing, combinations, etc.

I believe SF is the most popular because it combines a rational way of approaching moves (directional) with a demanding input requirement. The most challenging part of SF today is 100% timing.

It's like quick scoping, if it wasn't something that needed to be learned, nobody would call it anything. Same with a hadoken. The difference is that a hadoken can also follow a jumping heavy kick and medium punch, and it can also cancel into super move.


Because anyone can learn how to hadoken in a play session. Heck, in 20 minutes. It's combining the moves thats hard.

>>385016285
>Nice reading comprehension
It's not reading comprehension. I'm telling you as an objective fact. The controls are bad.

>>385016278
why is skullgirls even there? who gives a fuck about it

>>385016278
I would play a game in the bottom right corner, were it to exist. It doesn't, though.

>>385016278
>/fgg/ bait image

>>385016292
who do you think makes these threads? Incompetent white dudes. Its why they stick to smash.

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>>385015097
>i'm doing everything wrong and that's why fighting games are ass

>all the whining in this thread

Git gud you fags

Its ok to accept that you are casual and lack the spirit and dedication to learn the best genre there ever wasy.

>>385016181
>Different people have different opinions
>Some of those people like to be assholes and shitpost for no reason
Do you know where you are?

>>385003747

What I don't understand is why don't more games use Dial combo?

Newbies can at least feel like they're competent by inputting a string of buttons.

While veterans can make the decision to Hit confirm

Everyone wins

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>>385016278
4u
Really should make a new one of these, I mean it has MK instead of Injustice

>>385016416
>Git gud
you know this meme doesn't affect people who don't give a shit about the game, right?

>>385003747
Fantasy Strike sounds like right up your alley.

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>>385016474
>why don't more games use Dial combo?
FUUUUCKING

CAAAAASUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK OFF ED BOOOOOOOON

>>385016334
The controls are fantastic: they allow the developers to make absurd moves without the risk of killing the balance of the game.
But why do I even bother trying to explain to you the implications of having to press "forward" when doing a move? You aren't that mentally capable.

>>385016475
Thanks doc

>>385015852
> core genre
That would argue against the use of niche entirely. You are just making shit up at this point

>I'm going off my own experience
And there is my proof you are making shit up.

> only exists
No, that is the data we have and you need to prove it isn't representative of the split between games. When I can easily counter your points all you have is poor theories.

>because anyone attending, top player or otherwise, is there for a clear minded goal: to win
no most players are well aware they have no shot because all the top ones are all there.

> intermediate player spends extra time practicing
An intermediate player has more chance of winning an event with less pros. Because the chance of beating a pro at there level never mind multiple is fuck all. Especially for games like Tekken where top players like JDCR are near unstoppable even against other pros.

You are just babbling to try and prove a faulty premise that you can't back up.

>>385015132
you can call it what you like, but I enjoy fighting games and I played multiple when I was in my biggest binge. The SFIVAE period, I was playing SFxT, Blaz Blue,. Skull Girls, and MvC all at the same time.

>>385016475
>smash players
>intellectual
?????

>>385016390
isn't the best smash player south american? and another one of the top ones is black (that one who perfected ltg or something)

I don't even play smash, I play fighting games and I'm white and I know a ton of whites in the scene.

>>385016474
hahahaha

fgcucks already sperg their asses off at something like marvel's magic combos, they will never allow dial a combo to become popular

>>385016213
You don't have to strip anything away to make it a fighting game though. It's a fighting game right out of the box.

>>385016474
dial shit feels like ass desu.

>>385014983
Playing an FPS well requires extraordinary dexterity. You just don't know how bad you are because you only play in pubs.

>>385016621
Not necessarily the truth, it's what they believe they are. The weeb side is a little innacurate, should move DFC up and to the right a little and Persona to the left some

>>385014930
>Because some people think, a steep learning curve can replace depth. Hint: it can't.
It has depth which is why there's a learning curve, dumbass.

>>385016653
In Smash 4. In Melee pretty much all of the top players are white with a sprinkling of Asian and Hispanic in there. I think the highest ranked black dude is Shroomed?

>>385003747
Because its a 1v1 game where you have to learn alot to master a character let alone for most fighting games especially SNK/Arcsys games master the core mechanics of a game can feel impossible because of all the ways you can apply them. Tekken too.

In alot of games you can be trash and not even know if because you'll play so many other bad people and play with friends who might carry you.

Execution is foreign to most people nowadays since most games require none even though older shooters took precise jumping movement and things like rocket jumping. So most people starting are like flailing children.

I love fighting games like GG/KOF because there is so much to learn and master that it feels like im never above a decent player and i just wanna keep on playing. As well as the immense charm dumped into most fighting games since its still a niche genre overall so most games are made for the core audience and not to reach the masses.

Hope that answered you though OP. Its just alot to master and people starting nowadays rarely have a solid foundation and the games being 1v1 really punish that even harder.

>hey maybe I should buy this fighting game and try to learn it
oh wait, there are only 300 concurrent players and they've all been playing for over 10 years, thank god I checked and now I can save my money and my time

>>385015847
>Capcom
>FGC

Yet i look over at KOF/GG and see nothing but White Asian and Hispanics with the super rare black. Hmmm its almost like only stupid Capcbro games are made for angry retards who cannot go past 15 minute learning curves.

>>385016889
But anon, fightcade is free, so you wouldn't have spent any money anyway

>>385016954
>Yet i look over at KOF/GG and see nothing
pretty accurate

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>>385016954
>GG
>super rare black

And fucking KoF players are rare in general lmao

>>385011663
WOAH ANON! You figured out ALL video games are a massive waste of fucking time no matter what! Dont let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya!

>>385016889
>hey, i have to validate my enjoyment of games based on other people

>>385017004
>fightcade
nice, now that number drops from 300 to 50 and they've all been playing for 20 years

>>385017057
it's a multiplayer game dumbfuck

>>385016889
Daily reminder 2 of the players in top 8 at Evo for GGXrd one of which was in grand finals started with Sign the first version of Xrd 2 years ago and beat a fucking ton of people with 10-15 year backrounds in a series that roughly has the same fundamental foundation with each version.

Huh its almost like with new tech and youtube/bigger competition making things easier to learn its far from impossible to catch up to plateaus with some effort? Oh but you're a bitch who probably doesn't play and just plays trash like CSGO so carry on.

>>385017147
sounds like an extreme outlier

>>385015762
No, anon, it just means you don't do a lot of things. Go do things more, you'll find something eventually.

>>385016889
thats only a problem with animu fighters

tekken and sf5 still have a large amount of terrible players online.

also, it seems pretty likely that dragon ball fighter z or whatever will have a huge amount of new players. so if youre really new to fighting games, that would be a good place to start.

>>385017008
>Almost 1k people at Evo
>Almost all majors in general at 300 or more for GG
>Nothing

I love Capcbros if its not 1000 plus majors with 50% of which being Ryu and Kens who go 0-2 in pools its "nothing".

>>385017027
KOF players are rare because the game is rough as fuck but the point stands there are so few black ones.

>>385004389
Ah it's a retard/bait thread. Next time just fucking say so, faggot.

>>385016954
>KOF, GG
>White

huh? who?

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>>385012754
d,b,4,4 with rucky Chroere. I picked her up 30 minutes ago and know literally TWO moves and expect to be a green rank shortly.

>>385017098
>it's a multiplayer game dumbfuck
It makes no difference, dumbfuck. Why would you even entertain the thought of playing a game when your enjoyment is going to be affected by other people? The fuck are you playing video games for? Impressing other people so they can suck your dick?

>>385017289
>that would be a good place to start
A ridiculously fast paced 3v3 fighting game will be a good place to start? Let's not kid ourselves. DBFZ will sell like crazy and its playerbase will drop by like 95% after a month.

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Why the hell are you all bitching and moaning that it takes effort to compete with people who are good at the game?

If you don't wanna spend hours learning the game then just hop into arcade mode or story mode and wail on the CPU, people have been doing that for decades and actually complained when a recent game didn't let them. Or hell just fight some of your friends who also don't play fighting games

>>385017308
>KOF players are rare because the game is rough as fuck
LMAO

>>385013468
They aren't, that is them passive agressivly calling you a shitter for not being good at them.

>>385016278
Accurate

>>385017372
>Why would you even entertain the thought of playing a game when your enjoyment is going to be affected by other people?
you have to be retarded. there's no other way.

hey let's have my 6 year old child learn martial arts by fighting against 50 years old karate masters going full strength. I bet he'll learn a lot

oh shit, actually he's dead

>>385017419
>/v/
>friends
You're expecting too much from this shitty board.

>>385016474
It feels like complete ass and no one likes it.

>>385017419
>hop into arcade mode or story mode and wail on the CPU
There's nothing fun about that.

>>385013979
Please post some of your ranks.

>all these casuals
Fighting games are the best competetive games ever. The only people who complain about "m-muh third party resources" are shitters. How do you think people got good in the arcades? Its called playing the game and actually using your brain to put some thought into it.

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>>385017419
Cause /v/ is scrubshit central.

Also didn't SFV have no story or arcade mode when it came out? I doubt people here play anything other than SF and anime fighters

>>385017406

its not really that fast and 3v3 isnt a big deal if the individual characters arent overly complex

there will definitely be casual friendly 1 button combo mode, too.

>>385017553
Than play a genre you enjoy

>>385017631
Yeah but why do that when I can play a team game and blame my teammates when I lose?

>>385017098
>it's a multiplayer game dumbfuck

You are fucking retard if you think like this and think everyone else does. Most of us will never be the top 1% of any video games, who cares? Its still fun. These games pit you against your current level so its fine. Also people DID play fighting games before the internet anon, and NOT just for when their friends came round. Martial arts games are fun.

>>385017553
Then go option B and fight some low level players

>>385017498
Making shitty analogies does not prove your point. A more appropriate one is saying a game's shit because its fanbase its shit.
You're being a narrow-minded faggot who can't put in the effort to get good in a game and enjoy it. You then see other people who do enjoy it and start blaming them for you not enjoying the game. Fucking pathetic.

>>385017757
>These games pit you against your current level so its fine.
my fucking dude if you would bother to look at the conversation at all you would see that I'm talking about games (the majority of games are like this) that are fucking dead and only the old guard still play

it's IMPOSSIBLE to learn because these people are nolifers

>>385017498
Nigger are you dumb? Fighting games DO put you against your own level. Im green rank on Tekken, very rare that i fight someone who is not either a late blue rank or green rank

>>385017873
>Fighting games DO put you against your own level.
in games with active playerbases. which are incredibly few.

>>385017880
add cvs2

>>385017859
>it's IMPOSSIBLE to win because these people are nolifers
FTFY, salt mine,

>>385003747
The "fun" is in becoming proficient through training and practice to hone your skill. To keep climbing that infinite skill ceiling and demonstrating your mastery in said game. If you're too casual then its simply not the genre for you.

Go play SSB4 or Overwatch if you want a casual "fun" experience.

>>385017960
you don't learn anything by playing against people at a ridiculously higher skill level

>>385004276
Ironically, investing time in and practicing a game seriously completely burns me out of the series. It's why I don't even touch touhou anymore even after practicing 12 for a full year.

>>385017859
I have learned to play fighting games mostly on a dead game. It may be harder but it's not impossible if you want to. Or you could just play a simpler and more alive game like SFV and then switch to the other games when you know the basics of the genre.

>>385017880
Need Bloody Roar or Virtua Fighter

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>>385004276
>mfw trash at competitive games such as lol, cs go, and almost all figthing games
>mfw inherently good at not so competitive games such as osu, path of exile, and rocket league.

Why do i have to be bad at games i want to be good?

>>385017919
Well aorry you are too late to get into Tekken 5 DRO or some shit that had an active player base in 2006 not 2017. Thats just how it goes, fuck it, SOME games (virtua fighter 5, Soul Calibur II, IV) have NO ONE playing at all.

Anyway, go back to Tekken 6 and TTT2 and you will still find dan ranks and blue scrubs

>>385018112
>SOME games
every game on steam besides SFV and Tekken 7

Then:
>walk into arcade
>see fighting game
>look at the cabinet to see how to do the moves
>everything else is self explanatory. Fight the opponent.
>fun times are had by people who literally never played the game before who learn it within seconds of dropping the quarter into the machine

Now:
>buy fighitng game that's much easier to play than anything that used to be in arcades
>dudes who have no business playing fighting games complain that the most basic of motions are too difficult
>feel like they need to go to a 4-year college to be taught how to "punch the guy and don't get punched"
>nothing but whining and bullshitting about needing to buy fight sticks or how you need be a genius with years to dedicate to learning how to move the cursor so it will select your character
>scour the internet for guides, youtube videos walkthroughs which you wouldn't need at all if you just sat down and played the game for two seconds

worst generation of humanity ever

>>385018082
>2D OnLy
also nobody here plays VF

>>385017919
Once you have learned the basics of the genre and have experience, you do not need to fight people "your own level" to learn. Infact, having your skull bashed in over and over by better players is a much better and faster way to improve than it is to fight other shitters, provided you already know the basics of the genre and how it works.

>>385018017
You don't want to learn anything, you just want to win.

>>385018165
you don't learn anything by playing against people at a ridiculously higher skill level

>>385010509
You never tried Quake 3?

>>385018195
You don't want to learn anything, you just want to win.

>>385018195
If you are new to the genre, yeah. If you already have experience playing fighting games, you learn a fuckton more by playing these people than by playing people your own level.

>>385018158
Speak for yourself, cuck.

>>385018153
>steam

Found your problem m8

>>385018316
I speak for most of /v/, nobody here plays VF.

>>385018158
VF is brought up frequently as part of the "dude Tekken sucks lmao" shitposting

>>385018375
Ive never seen it and I'm in almost every Tekken thread. People bring up SF more than anything else.
Discussion on VF is usually DOA because /v/ knows even less about it than mainstream fighters or the classics

>>385018108
You're not good at these games, it's just that really competitive people who could easily beat you play something else. You're a big fish in a small pond, so to speak.

>>385018154
This. Spoilt bitches on /v/. I for one will never into RTS and that is just fine, i don't sat RTS must cater to me better.

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>>385018373
Go be underage somewhere else.

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>>385014116
that last guilty gear thread that got derailed by people bitching that it should be on /vg/ and not on /v/ causing it to derail and die.
its like people care more about some dumb non existant board ethic instead of talking videogames.
its not fair

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>>385018509
So you've "been in every tekken thread" and never seen the spate of these webms? You're a poser, kid.

>>385015132
If you look at the SFV column (not row) here >>385014408 then you can see that almost half of each real fg entrants are playing SFV along with their other game. The lowest being BB which still has 1 in 4 people also playing SFV.

>>385018108
I find I learn more playing casual games because it gives me time to learn how to efficiently move while noting details like if it were an fps, hp/ammo locations (if applicable). In addition, playing against human opponents is more intuitive for fighting human opponents. It's why I detest practicing in fighting games because while it gets my rote memorization down I keep fucking up vs. actual people since I get used to fighting a.i. or target dummies.
Basically stupid people are the overall best target dummies because they are the gateway to average and then great players, who are the greatest target dummies of all. You can't go from robots to humans intuitively, they behave entirely differently.

>You don't want to learn anything, you just want to win.

Because I try to actually compete in sports, video games are video games, nothing more. I cant help but feel a little sad for the people who dedicated so much time "mastering" (cheesing, abusing, exploits, infinite combos) a fighting game. If that same pathetic shit stain of a person put HALF of those hours towards something that is actually productive, they would be able to play a musical instrument, sport, have a skill, etc.

Instead they play a fighting game really well, and the only other people who give a shit are other chicken shits who wasted just as much time playing the game.

I love video games but give me a fucking break, it is acceptable now for a anti-social neckbeard virgin loser to boast about his fighting game skills?

A good friend of mine was a fighting game competitive faggot so I got to see the scene up close. The majority of these people are so sad and pathetic, no wonder they spend so much time memorizing trivial bullshit instead of actually developing themselves as people.

So to all you fighting game faggots, good for you. You guys are better than me at a video game. I"m positive I'm better tat getting women, getting hired at decent jobs, playing sports, and not being a fucking shit stain on society.

Bravo.


Now watch some anally fissured fighting game nigger use some of the usual insults that these shit stains throw out at somebody who doesn't waste as much time being an unproductive shithead as the,

>>385018583
Speak for yourself underage newfag

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>>385017641
The one that confuses me the most is

>Why don't fighting games make penalties for whiffing attacks?
>(other than the opponent being able to punish you)

WAH WAH I CAN'T CAPITALIZE ON MISTAKES

>>385018583
this list is good
where would you put blazblue though?

>>385018669
>You're a poser, kid.
Because I rightfully pointed out /v/ doesn't play VF? Ok.
Also your webm has been posted a total of three times in the past 3 years.

>>385018932
>Bawwww why are people enjoying a game I don't like
>please validate my shitty existence!

>Never played a RTS/MOBA in my life.
>DC starts the alpha for Infinite Crisis; a MOBA.
>Get into the alpha, love it because of the characters, but completely dogshit. No idea what to do, how to do it, etc.
>Spend time playing the game, getting shit on, literally "gg stop feeding fucker" every game.
>Spend more time playing, watching other players, reading about builds, etc.
>After a few months, good at the game. After another few months, fucking Top 100 player in NA.

It's not that fighting games are hard, it's that they take time, like anything you want to be good at. Most people buy the game, pick their cool looking character, and proceed to "learn specials" when that's the least of your worries. They go online, get dicked, and say "Well, fuck it, fighting games suck" and never play again.

t. been playing fightan since the 90's (when arcades were still around ;-;)

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>>385018932
If you are this sore over shitposting on 4chan I wouldn't hire you nor fuck you.

>>385018932
Sounds like some copypasta from any analblasted buttboy ever.

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>>385018932
>mfw I could outlift you and 100:0 you in a ft100

>>385019385
>>385019290
Sounds like he described faggots like you down to the bone, and you feel like you had to respond just to help your pride a little.

>>385018932
>as the,
Complete your post dude

>>385019473
I actually don't like fighting games, I just don't get buttblasted over it enough to post a potential copypasta and not even give the spamming chucklecuck a response.

>>385019498
He's so buttmad about being shit at games, he missed m and hit , instead

>>385019289
Mobas don't have the retarded execution barrier to entry like fighting games do.

385018932
I don't believe anything you just said because you're on a Tuvaluan Train Spotting forum spouting how awesome you are.

>>385016369
Rising Thunder got bought by Riot, so that game is coming. In addition to Fantasy Strike. Keep an eye on them.

>>385019660
the point
------------------->
your head

>>385018583
>setplay gear
>high IQ

Dying here

>>385016369
Rising Thunder was supposed to be that.

>>385019660
It's a trade off; some fighting games have an execution barrier, where as some MOBAs have a character barrier. At either rate, both just take time to learn. They'll come a moment when it clicks for you and you'll instantly love fighting games.

>>385019473
>he
lmao

>>385018669
Jesus christ Virtua Fighter looks more boring than watching fucking pain dry

>>385019981
how

>>385004820
Sticks are also nice to have if your character has stuff where you need to hold buttons, like Juri, Johnny (sometimes), and Zato.

the one thing fighting games that really pisses me off is charge moves

nonsensical. outdated bullshit.

>>385020213
charge moves are much easier than motions.

>>385017242
Yeah man, just like how Punk got 2nd at EVO and it was his first time going.

>>385018932
>because i actually compete in sports

Do you though bro? Becaus you would know well that when "everyone gets made special, then nobody is special. You could choose ANY genre of game thst is not like fighting games but you want them to just cater to you because you place no value in them. Im asport fag myself and know i cant always be the top 1%

>>385005078
What? No, growing on a strategical level and learning how to act and respond is fun as hell. Grinding execution and combos for hours a day is monotonous and boring as hell and the reason why I've dropped every fighting game I've tried.

>>385020338
punk started playing fighting games 10 years ago

>>385018195
yes you can learn a lot playing against high skill level players if you are into the game and know the basics beforehand. I have to go to the arcades/tournaments and find good opponents in order to improve my skills because all my friends are casuals at fighting games.

>>385018837
you mean over half aren't for all. Half aren't even over 40% crossover

>Buy a fighting game
>play it from scratch against friend/roommate/sibling
>learn it by beating their ass and getting your ass beat
>have fun

What, don't you have any friends /v/?

>>385016278
This is correct.
>>385018583
This is bait

>>385020707
>friend/roommate/sibling
La di da, look at the social butterfly over here.

>>385003747
I really don't care much, all I do is find a 30% damage combo to throw when possible. I mostly have no clue over timing and reach so I can easily waste a special move due to that.

>>385015762
Not having anything is better than being good at something that you don't even like.

How do I play fighting games if I can't build muscle memory

It takes more skill to get (you)s than it does to get KOs.

people forget what it's like to be BRAND NEW at fighting games. the time investment to reach even a shred of fun is insane.

>>385021319
But we WERE there anon.

>>385021406
and you are a masochist I guess

>>385021319
>>385021447
Look, I think it all boils down to this: How much effort do you want to put into your hobbies?
If the answer is "Not much", then fighting games probably aren't for you.

>>385021319
I dunno anon, it didn't take me that long to start having fun with a shitty game like Persona 4 Arena.

>>385021319
If you can't enjoy the learning process then you should find a game that doesn't have one.

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>>385020447
this is objectively the correct version

>>385020240
This. I never got the idea that charge motions were so complicated. They're way easier to combo into than a motion.

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>>385021893
>marvel that high

>>385020213
Play a game without charge characters then

>>385021893
Obvious bait is obvious

>>385021319
Plenty of people learn fighting games all the time. They are not some special snowflakes, you are just too lazy to get off your ass and do it.

>>385022492
>you are just too lazy to get off your ass
hahahaha oh my god it's a video game

>>385021319
When I was brand new I spent several months practicing special moves in training mode and combos in arcade mode. After that I actually had plenty of fun playing other people. To this day I spend more time in training and arcade mode than I spend actually fighting other people, because improving execution is fun in general. If you don't enjoy learning to press buttons then you don't enjoy half of what makes a fighting game good. Until you can enjoy that you shouldn't even bother playing other people, and if you just can't figure out how to like it you should just quit altogether because it is never going away. Similarly if you're a scrub crying about zoning or okizeme then you don't like the other half of the genre either.