>Both the Switch and Wii U struggle to run an open world game

>>385000257
Damn, PS2 games looked better than I remember.

point to a ps2 game that looks that good

framerate issues already patched, also the physics engine is quite demanding - graphics isn't the only thing that affects performance, contrary to popular belief.

>>385000510
The half life 2 tier physics engine is intensive only for the mobile shit arm cortex a57s at half the clocks

>>385000840
it's miles ahead of HL2's buggy-ass physics, although HL2 is a decade old now so I don't blame it.

>>385000257
is this a thread where we pretend it's 4 months ago, or are you just slow?

>>385000895
No it's not. GTA IV and V have better physics also.

>>385000985
no they don't, they don't even have wind simulation

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>>385000257
>t. born after ps2 era

>>385001116
there are PS2 games with much better graphics than that. just so you know

>>385001082
wind ''''''''''''''''''simulation'''''''''''''''''''', also gta v does '''''''''''''''''simulate'''''''''''''''''''' wind

>>385000257
>PS3 and 360 ran better looking open worlds


Like what?

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There's no easier way to prove you're an underage faggot than comparing BotW to PS2 era graphics.

Pic related. It's how shitty the PS2 actually looked in open world.

>>385000257

Post after patch please you inbreed

Also show us an open world game for PS2 with thes egraphics in 900p with physics in it

>>385001195
no it doesn't

>>385001308
Yes it does, all it does is however is just wind direction and some weather effects, like botw, '''''''physics''''''

>>385001182
are they open world though
and on the scale of BotW

>>385001370
I am 99% sure GTA V doesn't have any wind simulation. BotW meanwhile has wind that can blow fire, rafts, your glider, and lightweight materials - on it's own, not especially impressive, but it's only a small part of BotW's engine.

>>385001378
That wasn't the point.

>>385001558
well I'm pretty sure you are wrong, all of what you mentioned is simply tied to wind direction and speed, which is basicaly just a directional force

>>385001558
Even WindWaker has wind physics, its nothing new.

stop arguing with kids. even if you convince him, he's still retarded.

>>385000510
KSP has better physics and isn't demanding... on actual hardware.

>>385001780
that only affected your boat and nothing more, it wasn't really simulating wind per se.
>>385001713
not really, as this has to work alongside with the physics of objects such that a lightweight round object can be blown by the wind without its movements being too exaggerated (an issue most other physics engines have in my experience).

>>385001869
Ironic lack of self reflection. What you typed reads like it's from a russian who's studied english for a few months.

>>385001903
KSP physics is buggy as shit

>>385001906
>not really
Yes really, it's just like the downward force, gravity, except it's a sideways force instead.

>>385002037
Way more accurate and comprehensive than botw shit you really don't know what you are talking about
>but muh speed x1000000000 simulation starts fucking up

>>385002094
you have to create realistic mass for objects, though, which is the challenge of any physics engine.

>>385002240
Now I know you are just the average retard talking about shit you don't know.

You assign every object a mass, how else would you simulate anything?

>>385002213
heavy objects bounce like they're made of fucking rubber in KSP, is this a joke?
>>385002326
I'm talking of the physics engine in general there, not exclusively the wind.

>>385002425
>talking general
So am I because mass doesn't change, you really are pulling shit out of your ass.

>>385000257
>PS2 era graphics

S I M P L Y

E P I C

>>385002550
what are you on about? I didn't say the mass would change, I was saying that creating realistic mass for an object is difficult.

>>385002425
It's simply the result of high velocity and the object being treated as solid, if the objects could crushfrom the impact they wouldn't bounce like they do

>PS2 era graphics
You'll notice when people make this comparison they always say PS2 era. They never say Xbox era, GameCube era, or even 6th generation graphics, they always say "hurr durr looks like a PS2 game." It's possible that they say that because the PS2 had the worst graphics of that generation and therefore the biggest insult would be to compare it to the PS2, but I think we all know the real reason they always mention the PS2.

assblasted s0nyggers

>>385002801
You are fucking stupid because mass is a figure you assign and then the physics engine deals with it.

>>385002929
there's more to it than that but whatever

Butthurt for Bloodborne and TW3 simmed down a lot.

When will people stop getting assblasted over BoTW?

>>385000257
>my 4 year old PC runs this game better emulated than its native hardware

kek

>>385001182
Point me out a single game that ran on a ps2 that looks better than botw

PS2? More like PS"X" graphics, am I right!? Nintendo babies are such faggors! Their graphics aren't mature and photorealistic like ours are. What dweebs!

>>385000257
back to neofag with you

>>385003005
Sure, more than the a57s could handle, any amd apu tier laptop from 2010+ could though

>>385003282
you're trying too hard

>>385003389
You're in denial.

>>385003471
no u

fuck ps2. name me one open world game that's as demanding physics wise. witcher 3, horizon, they're all static as fuck and look like bad straight to dvd movies.

>>385000257
It's patched on Switch m8

>>385004040
A rock rolling down a hill is nit demanding, gta iv

>>385004040
I don't think any 1 game comes close, but if you mix JC2, FC2, and HL2 physics then you've got BotW.

>>385000257
>Both the Switch and Wii U struggle to run an open world game with PS2 era graphics
>BOTW
>PS2-tier graphics
Underaged detected.

>>385002925
It's because the PS2 utterly dominated that generation without any competition of note

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>>385003157

>PS2 graphics meme
Well it got you the replies. Can't blame you for using it.

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>>385004692
>unironically thinking a 480i game with looks better than botw at 900p

Maximum delusion

>>385004567
Yeah that's what it is.

>>385000257
More like early PS360.

>>385004692
Way to prove his point dongus

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>>385000257
Nostalgia is a hell of a thing

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>Open world
>75% empty space 25% actual content nowadays
>The term Open World can now be used as an insult

>>385000316
Okami?

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>>385006335
Hey man, there were some pretty beastly looking gen 6 games

>>385007027
Ninja Gaiden wasn't open world though

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>Devs nowadays need maps to be BIGGER
>Look how big this map is compared to that game!
>Big map, nothing for miles between

Why not just do small map with more stuff grouped up? How do game devs expect to fill bigger spaces when they can't even fill the spaces in games they've already made?

>>385007374
BoTWs world is excellent though

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>>385007239
OP said nothing about open world gen 6 games though.

>>385007520
Excellent in the sense of? Calling something good doesn't make it good.

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>>385005719
Do you little drones seriously believe that botw looks better than FFXII?

>>385007716
What? Of course an open world game is going to not look as good as a linear game

>>385007374

That's what Saints Row/AssCreed/GTA etc all do, and look how much fun those are.
If you're going to crunch everything up, you need to seriously increase the amount of interesting things to do with things in the area, like a movie theater with actual movies on rotation and shit. Which isn't going to go down well with most people.
So instead getting a proper sense of scale is much better. Empty maps turn out to actually be bigger in potential than smaller maps with a billion post-it notes to collect.
Least of all you can add some non-linear missions like battles over larger areas, or user generated content with some room.

>>385007758
that you can approach most problems the way you like for example
thats objectively a good thing thats missing from most modern rpgs

>I never touched a PS2 in my life: the thread

>>385007786

It does. Youre the delusional one here.

>>385008004
>Play it YOUR way

That lasts for about nowhere near long enough for the length of the game, you can only play it YOUR way for so long until you literally fall into a rythm of doing it efficiently rather than the fun way because you're doing it so much.

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>>385007890
His entire post was about the PS3 and 360 running open world games much better looking than BoTW much smoother and both the Switch and Wii U which are comparable in strength to the gen 7 consoles struggle to run a game with gen 6 era graphics built from the ground up for Nintendo's hardware

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>>385007786
I'd suggest replaying FF12. You seem to be blinded by nostalgia

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>>385000257
>PS2 era graphics
The ultimate shitpost term

>>385008121
It's ok friend, I'm sure that if I masturbate on botw for months like you did it I wouldn't be able to admit that FFXII looks better as well.

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>>385000257

>>385007374
There was always stuff to interact with, though. Just because there isn't a hour long mission in between one tree and the boulder 30 feet away from it doesn't make it empty. If you just ran around from place to place without hunting animals, taming horses, collecting ingredients, killing enemies along the way, you're doing it wrong. Once progressed enough to not need to do that sort of stuff as often, you already have fast travel available, so what's the big idea? For every stable and village you visit, there's a side quest to discover. Hell, there's even NPC out on their own travels that have shit for you to do.

The game simply isn't empty.

>>385007990
So basically what you're presenting is that more space means padding, collectibles which mean nothing are also padding. So padding is good?

Fact of the matter is, when you go back to an open-world game to replay it, you're going to sigh because you remember you HAVE to sit through a lot of nothing because you want to play the story and not wander around because you've done that already.

>>385008427
You can replace BoTW with lterally any game and it still would be true

>>385007786
Have some self awareness please.

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I love how the nintenbros can focus only on a 3 words hyperbole and turned the thread into a shitstorm about said hyperbole to try to hide how the rest of the post and his point is completely true.
Never change nintenbros, you will always be the most dishonest and disingenuous part of this board.

>>385008489
But what you're mentioning is spaced between things that you don't have to do, and you say yourself that once you do more of it, there's less to do. So basically the game actively becomes less invested the more you play, creating more empty space.

You can interact with many things in between important stuff, but what happens when you don't need to anymore? They become inconveniences and annoyances that stand in the way of the things you actually need to do. And enemies actively become more of a chore the more you play and less of an actual challenge, isn't that a problem with the game that it can't challenge you the more you actually play it?

I'm not even bringing in dungeons.

>>385008564

>he wants to play the story
nigga, no, what exactly would that change?
I want to snowboard from a peak down to the sea in one continuous go without fucking up and dying. I wanna play Pokemon Snap for a virtual wikipedia (kinda like how Pokemon sold itself and then proceeded to shit the bed for decades) on a roam. Shit's comfy.
Most importantly, it's an excuse to play a game for hundreds of hours to bridge the gap between big multiplayer games that take up thousands more.

Being completely fucking bored parkouring to collect every minimap blip is terrible, effectively imposing a stupid amount of extremely short and linear paths to get N objects for a trophy will always leave a much worse taste in the mouth compared to constantly having no direction and tripping over little past times to enjoy because the world has the room to scatter such things aimlessly without purpose.

watching console peasants fighting over graphics is like watching 2 chemo patients fighting over a comb.

shits hilarious.

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>>385007786
this is the most retarded thing I've read all day lad

>>385006749
BOTW looks better tho? Okami's not even open world either. Even if most of the maps were jointed together, Okami would be a quarter the size of BOTW.

>>385000257
>Open world with hundreds of mechanics and burneable stuff everywere

>open world with 3 cars in the streets

>>385008908
>both the PS3 and 360 ran better looking open worlds without much trouble
Is obviously untrue.

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>>385008242
Name ONE open world PS3/360 game that looks and runs better than BoTW

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>>385007786
People actually fell for this shitty bait...

>>385008910
That's kinda how it works. The more you complete the less there is to do until eventually, you have nothing left to do. That's a good time to put the game down.

>>385008910

>What happens when you don't need to anymore?

They don't become inconveniences and annoyances because you just go right past them uninterrupted.
On the topic of enemies, even in BOTW you can get a hammer that has a massive amount of impact damage that sends them flying miles away if you need to bust through some tough enemies without actually bothering to fight them, but Stasis+ and an arrow do the same thing to boot. It's very easy to game it so you can travel freely, but for the most part you can literally just run away, besides Lynels, but you can see them coming up from miles away.
On the other hand, with GTA style cities there's always going to be cunts that start trouble or literally nothing outside of missions, either being a pain to deal with and often resulting in frustrating or time wasting, or you may as well have fast travelled.

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>>385008952
Is it not true that if they made the map smaller they'd effectively cut down a shit ton of time in the endgame and there'd be less bullshit at the start of the game?

Wanting bigger games when devs clearly aren't capable of using the already available space effectively is basically asking for it to keep going and then implode on itself.

People want bigger games and more stuff to do so people can emulate real life in video games?

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>>385000305
You should pick up a PS2 before posting.

>>385009041
Does it matter? Okami still looks better and has some pretty big areas and runs on a literal ancient toaster console, while BOTW can barely run on a "modern console" with over 4 times the specs.

>>385009635
Shit I think I can count the polygons on snake, don't even get me started on the background either.

>>385009732
You may want to replay the game, it suffers from slow down and pop in a lot.
The game also used simpler textures and geometry to boot.

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Das a good lookin game.

>>385009557

>Is it not true that if they made the map smaller they'd effectively cut down a shit ton of time in the endgame and there'd be less bullshit at the start of the game?

Objectively not true.
Nigga immediately after the tutorial you get the option to use a Link amiibo and get Epona, and the entire scale of the world gets a shit ton smaller for getting shit done. There is a shit ton of detail everywhere, including in the placement of the terrain. What bullshit at the start? You don't have enough stamina to tame a giant horse? You can't pull the master sword? You can't climb in the rain around the Zora domain?

This isn't a case of wanting "bigger games", it's extremely easy to make a game as big as you want, just look at any of Star Citizen's dev logs; procedural gen and double floats will do it all in no time. The only problem you have is shit developers who port a game to all platforms - and this includes consoles that don't have any hardware for "unnecessary" things like decompressing audio, so you get 60+ fucking gig of data on EVERY platform regardless, even in fucking DOOM which is linear as hell. The type of idiocy that doesn't call out the Xbone and PS4 for the shit it is and say "this isn't suitable at all for a decent experience", which is oddly absent from Nintendo's offerings.
Every game bar BOTW is around about 1GB at most in size. BOTW itself is about a third of the size of any open world game, including ones boasting to be bigger in scale. And BOTW does not waste space in its world. So where the fuck are you getting these allegations?

>>385001196
Skyrim + oblivion + fallout 3

because the wii u is weak and they basically never took advantage of the switch's hardware at all?

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>>385010371
that's a selective memory you got there.

>>385009732
>Okami still looks better
That's mostly opinion, but BOTW has higher detail assets and uses more graphical effects

>has some pretty big areas
BOTW's overworld is seamless, Okami had segmented areas that needed to be loaded separately (like older Zeldas)

>runs on a literal ancient toaster console
It wasn't always a toaster, believe it or not the PS2 was once cutting edge. Also using "literal" incorrectly makes you look like a literal idiot.

>"modern console"
More like modern handheld

>>385009635
uh no. faggot

i owned a near 80% complete PS2 library and the fucking system could NEVER do something like BotW on Switch. and no, don't even THINK about bringing up SotC, it ran slower than BotW does.

fuck you

>>385008581
Maybe, but I don't know of any game that has resulted in this many butt tears for this length of time. The game came out almost 5 months ago and this same thread is STILL being posted every fucking day.

>>385010191
BotW's filesize is like 13GB though

That's shockingly low compared to other open world games like GTAV (65+GB) or The Witcher 3 (46.5GB)

>>385010191
>Use Amiibo to cheat, so pls buy extra stuff

You have the option, which is dumb. So basically why don't just package every copy with an Epona Amiibo? The simple fact that you can do that is just stupid.

Also bring Star Citizen into this makes zero sense as we've barely gotten anything substantial about the game and hordes of money being poured into it is slightly worrying. There is literally no idea of when it will ever come out. Procedural generation is also what allowed No Mans Sky to exists when not used properly.

Ubisoft has basically pioneered open world games that have zero reason to be open world. Also what is the point of calling out the Xbone and PS4 when the Switch is factually still one step behind and currently being bogged down with bad business decisions and lack of actual games for it that aren't something you could get elsewhere.

You obviously didnt get the experience of extremely shitty travel time to get a minor thing done and then run generic game errand somewhere on the other side of the map. The game begins to slow down when you realize you've stopped caring because the game insists on throwing an enemy from the games library of not enemies. Because for an open world game like BOTW, why isn't there enemies and variations on activity to support it?

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>>385011073
>posts thread with bullshit claims
>other posters refute claims

LFMAO YOU'RE SO BUTTHURT BOTW FANS BTFO

>>385011308
The butt tears I was referring to are from people that make posts like OPs.

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>>385012127

>>385000257

Because the Wii U and Switch are hilariously underpowered?

>xbox 360
>0.24 teraflops
>wii u
>0.35 teraflops
>switch (docked)
>0.39 teraflops

Meanwhile;

>1050 ti (budget card)
>2.14 teraflops

>>385012518
You accused me of saying BOTW fans are butt hurt, I corrected you.

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>>385000305
>>385000257
A commonly accepted scientific phenomenon called the PS2 effect, in which the PS2 is repeatedly reported as having better and better looking games, long after the console's lifetime was over.
Researchers believe that in about 3 years time, the PS2 will have had games that look like max setting Crysis

>>385012620
>Tegra X1
>0.39 teraflops

Do you seriously believe this

>>385012620
>handheld system is less powerful than discrete desktop GPU

No shit?

>>385013069
>Implying BoTW looks any better than Skyward Sword which was built from the ground up for what was just an overclocked Gamecube

>>385011269
at least 80% of BoTW's filesize must the world itself because everything expect size and environment of the world is lacking in variety.

BotW looks hideous and was a terrible game, but
>PS2 era graphics
is an absolute farce. I'd much prefer it to be a 1080p looking PS2 game than what it actually is, but that still wont stop it being shit.

>>385009635
my god is that a ps1 game?

BotW is more like early ps3/xbox 360 graphics

yeah botw run on ps2 but it looks like a early ps3 game or slightly better ps2 graphics

>>385007716

It literally says open world games you inbreed retard

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>>385019124
It says nothing about gen 6 open world games you illiterate faggot

>>385000257
wasn't those problems already patched?

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>PS2 babbies think the system had anything but dogshit graphics at its time compared to its main competition, let alone PC

>>385000257
The Switch is a handheld.

Nintendo saw the future was in portable gaming (mobile gaming), so they went there.

>>385016174
BOTW does absolutely look better than Skyward Sword.

>>385001282
Fuck you retarded tripfag

>>385001667
Actually that's the entire point of the thread but whatever.

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>>385016174
>Skyward Sword
>looks good
kek

>>385022345
trihex's blind playthrough of this game (coming up in a few days) is gonna be so great. I can't wait to see his reaction to the linearity and forced handholding of this game contrasted with all his gushing over how great BotW was.

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>>385022335
The entire point of the topic is the PS3/360 running better looking open world games smoother even though both Nintendo's consoles were marginally stronger than the PS3/360

>>385000257
my only issue with this game is the contrast and gamma, looks foggy and washed out to hell.

also grass LoDs are trash. thats about it.

>>385023365
who? kys

>>385023419
And just like that
>muh PS2-era graphics
disappears.

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>>385024083
You almost had me

>>385000305
Go play Black.

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>>385000316
Black looks better.

>>385021184
The Switch is a home console first and foremost, Nintendo themselves have said this. You drones don't get to flip flop on whether it's a handheld or home console depending on your argument

>>385024256
Look dude all I'm saying is don't make a relative analysis if you can't back it up. I don't know how you think that's bait but I guess you're entitled to your dumbass opinion.

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>>385024929
My argument is fucking sound, nowhere in the OP does it mention ps2 era open world games at any point

>>385009635
mmhmm, that foggy background is fucking gorgeous.

>>385024083
>>385024929
see >>385008908
Not that I'm not enjoying your desperation, but come on, restrain your idiocy a little.

>>385021184
I would agree, but then there's still first party titles like Metroid being released on what they still consider an active handheld. So honestly, it's a pretty shitty handheld since it's not getting even the handheld games yet.

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>>385025183
Tell me about it

>>385000257
>If a video game does not have realistic graphics, it's shit
sad

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>>385025502
>Shit graphics are ok when Nintendo does it

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>>385012620
>teraflops

>>385025104
>nowhere in the OP does it mention ps2 era open world games at any point
And nowhere do I say it does. The issue is that it's disingenuous not to use other open world games for comparison.

>>385025389
I gave my BotW away because I got tired of it after a week, you're barking up the wrong tree.

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>next gen

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>muh handcrafted open world meme

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>muh it's not a pissfilter it's a [sic] artstyle

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>muh amazing gameplay

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>muh hardcore difficulty

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>muh Nintendo polish

>>385026252
What the hell is that thing.

>>385013074

>doesn't know how to calculate compute performance

Fuck off, nigger.

>>385015028

>handheld system

When it's docked, it runs at a much higher clock speed. When it's not docked (i.e. handheld,) the clock speed is much slower. It's why I compared the docked power. As a handheld, it drops from 0.39 to 0.16 TF (weaker than the original xbox.)

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>>385000257
>Sonybros spent 599 USD on a PS3 when they couldn't even tell that it had better graphics

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>>385025748
Trump shouldn't be in images telling people to leave, he brought so many newfags to this site that /v/ is no longer the first board that comes up when you Google 4chan.

>>385026593
""" amazing enemy design""" according to /v/.

>>385024620
>low polygon count
>terrible textures
>smoke effects clipping through the ground
Do sonygros actually believe the ps2 looked that good?

>>385026771
The design is fine, I was talking about how the activation of that witch time thing is way too far from the attack, and here >>385026479 is even much worse. What the hell, why that thing doesn't get shat on.

>>385009295
>GTA 5
>GTA4
>Watch Dogs
>Farcry 3
>AC 4
> MGS 5

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>>385026758
Stay mad

>>385028139
I'm not mad about anything Anon, I'm just Saiyan.

>>385028139
Man, truly the memepresident.

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>>385007786

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>>385026830
>low polygon count
>terrible textures

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

>>385000257
They don't need to have one.