>WoD gets 0 content >Legion gets so much content it's

Retailfags should be banned on sight

Nigger its 2017 why the fuck are you still playing wow? Even if you are into necrophilia at some point you'll just be banging the air

>time gated content behin korean grind levels
sure , so much content

>>384906913
Yeah bro he should playing some mobashit or fpsshit instead it is the current year after all.

>>384906913
XD here's an upvote friend

>>384906627
How are your servers doin lad

>384906534
>Legion gets so much f2p tier timegating it's hard to catch up
ftfy

>>384907721
Warmane always wins.

>>384907837

>>384907837
>Failing to reply to a post correctly

Do you have parkinson's or something

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>>384907107
No, he should be playing a legit better game

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>>384908154
>Final Fantasy XIV

>>384908154
Ahahahahahahahahah

>>384908002
Wow nice job deflecting his valid point tho

>>384908154
Stop posting, and after 2.5 seconds stop breathing.

>>384908536
>>384908321
>>384908285
Just accept the truth anons, WoW is dead and it's time to move on.

>>384908448
I didn't need too, timegating has left since WoD, class hall quests dont really count since theyre a very background thing

If youre talking about World Quests, they're a nice addition to the game that keep you coming back, nothing wrong with them

>>384908154
>shilling a shitty Japanese WoW clone

>>384908796
>World Quests
>Nice addition
You have to be joking right? Unless you are a shill, you can't defend that pile of shit

>>384908717
>8 million active players
>Dead

>>384906534
I think they were experimenting with the yearly expansion concept with wod and it ended up not working out.

>>384906534
yeah i just love all the content

>world quests you've done 1000000X before
>artifact grinding
>RNG

oh boy i fkn love all that meaningless content

>>384906534
Because WoD was shit and they though it was because of the lack of content.
They were wrong.

>>384909086
>7.9 million chinks, BRs and bots
Yep, it's dead

Is it worth even playing at this point as someone who hasnt played in years? I havent played since BC, I consider how much I would have to catch up with and then just opt out. This means I have no high level characters and all my gear is outdated and no "trinkets" to help me get there. I see people have been playing for years and still struggle to complete content.

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>shamelessly use up every named character from wc3 lore
>even the fucking panda
>run out of characters
>people don't like it anymore
>bring one of the old raid bosses back just because
>the little goys still eat it up

>>384909590
Seriously don't bother. Maybe find a private server that takes your fancy, but everything that made retail wow fun and epic has long since left the game.

>>384909667
>"How dare they evolve the storyline beyond Warcraft 3"

>>384909590
no honestly stay clear, if your last expac was bc you will vomit at how terrible this game has become

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>This is your average WoW player

>>384909912
shield bash that fucking moose

>>384909912
The kid has both Taunt AND Feign Death. What kind of hybrid class is this

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>>384909912
>This is your average WoW player

>>384909781
>>384909832
WoW is still the only MMO that has a world that isnt gay as fuck looking and has a decent fantasy backdrop, which is why Im still interested
>go play FF!
Anime weeb shit, I cannot stand the way everything looks and the writing/characters makes me wince. INB4 defence force, the game is weeb as fuck and its just not for me
>Guild Wars 2
Was ok, until you realize there is no end game content
>Lord of the Rings online
This wouldve been neat if it wasnt for all the obnoxious paywalls
I mean WoW is at least playable right?

They do it to hook players by punishing 'quitting'. If you quit, you have brief re-entry periods at the start of each patch. If you quit playing, you close your window to be relevant in the current patch, which is incredibly consumer unfriendly. It's pretty scummy buisiness practice imho. It's intentionally trying to get players addicted and even when they don't like the game, give them a reason not to quit.

>>384909269
but anon, that was objectively the problem. WoD had a 22 month lifespan, and only 8 months of it had patches, and that's questionable. There was a single (one) content patch. Lack of content was WoD's problem.

Shatrath, capitol cities, the ogre patch, feralon, a fungus zone, and a legitimate raid on Grom all got cut during development because the entire WoW team got overhauled. Story was entirely re-written during 6.0 and shifted focus away from orcs and onto the Legion, which took plot dominance in 6.1 and onward.

>>384910547
In contrast with literal furries and ass pulls in WoW because devs don't know what to do anymore?

Also, if you hate weeb shit then go to fucking reddit.

>>384910453
He should stick to singleplayer games then.

>>384909372
That's 90,000 more real people than FF though.

>>384910453
>pride in solo WoW
>the same solo WoW where a class's nuke one shots mobs
when will it be legal to gas the casuals? Only thing a player could remotely take pride in in WoW is Cutting Edge achives and Gladiator rank in PvP, everything else is just easy.

>>384909912
>He didn't Garrote the moose from Stealth

What a faggot.

>>384910790
I dont know man I logged back in after taking a break in november and they gave me artifact power for free. Also WQ give you decent gear to catch up. I was at 865 and I think my character is still relevant. Havent done any Mythics yet, I'm just catching up on the Broken Shore stuff

>>384906534
cant catch up
good thing

you dumb fufcin faggot

>>384908154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkMfJBDFZM
Yeah just listen to that J-pop, Gets me erectin

>>384909912
He must be glad they buffed Taunt's range.

>>384911362
You got the catchup from 7.2, and you're not caught up to anybody who's been playing since 7.2 started. It's not a problem if you play casually, but they've locked a lot of raiders out of raiding with how much out of raid shit you need to do to raid.

>>384910820
>Also, if you hate weeb shit then go to fucking reddit.
Whenever someone says "go to reddit" or something to that effect you have absolutely nothing to say but still feel a need to say something, the word needs to be filtered so people actually have to form a real argument. I dont mind a bit of weeb anon, I have a limit.
What actually put me over was that everyone looks the same, an androgenous face with a hair swap, even the men, it is not possible to make a man that doesnt look like a twink.

>>384911660
What I said still holds truth, why are you in a website called 4chan and hate weeb stuff? Reddit is a legit option for you, not meant as an insult but as an advise.

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>>384906534

JUST

>>384910453
>not just finding a guild
Shit I got invited to one just because my name was Oppenhagen and the guild leader was from Denmark

>>384911971
wait it happened already?

>>384908154
HAHAHAHAHAHA
did you type this shitpost inbetween your 3 second gcd while playing your shitty classes in glacially slow 50 minute dungeons?

>>384911874
I said I have a limit, I didnt say I loathe it and wish it didnt exist, shit, Im playing Toukiden 2 right now on PS4 while Im posting, but I can look past it because of the gameplay, I cant do that with an MMO. An MMO needs to have a solid setting and writing if its to be any good.

>>384912247
>playing shitty weeb monster hunter rip off
end thyself

>>384912191

Of course. Private server subhumans actually thought it would work, as hosted in the US.

>>384911971
Well that's what happens when you try to constantly shill your private server on public sites.

>>384911971
what happen, i need the salt, pls tell

>>384912371
Yeah, that's why I didnt roll there. I knew it'd be shut down in the blink of an eye. I just didnt think it'd happen this fast. Warmane and Elysium are basically the only options if you want a 'stable' legacy experience.

>>384912501
Some dumbass decided to make a bunch of noise about his NA hosted TBC private server, 10k players on launch day, huge hype, and proceded to get shut down a day after the server opened.

>>384912501

a private server got shut down in under a day

>>384912589
>>384912604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbilNGMKjo
ty mates

>>384912501
guy makes a fake tbc server to collect e-mails and donations like has happened several times before

>>384911971
heres what really happened

>autism cunt is good at coding
>codes an entirte tbc server to be as blizzlike as possible
>people start hopping on the hype
>people start praising cunt like some kind of genius
>cunt gets an enormous ego
>hype keeps on rolling
>finally launches the server
>thousands of people try to play
>server starts to fuck up hard
>cunt starts autisming out
>his ego is so big now that he cant admit he fucked up
>his server/coding cant handle more than 1000 people at a time
>instead of admitting this he fakes a c/d letter and shuts the whole thing down

fucking hilarious

>>384912362
Whats wrong with it, Ive been enjoying the gameplay so far.

>Private servers get shutdown
THANK YOU BLIZZARD!

Players should only be allowed to experience your most recent masterpiece. Thank you for showing then the right way!!

>>384911971
How come Warmane never gets C&D'd?

>>384906627

you're worse than faggots arguing over the correct factions

>>384912804
>caring about new private servers when there are dozens with a solid playerbase running for years
It's about watching people getting their hopes up and crashed you crouton, just like with every PS4 exclusive so far

>>384906534

They realized they were all about to lose their jobs.

>>384912859
Ran and hosted in Russia. They're basically imune to the US legal system. Same with Elysium and just about every other decent private server.

>>384908536
I know the thought of actual rotations and more than four buttons scares you

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Still mad about your shit server getting shut down?

I realised I have too many games I need to play as well as books to read and films to watch. don't really see wow as a good time investment anymore.

>>384912994
>actual rotation
>1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 instead of 1 2 3 1 2 3
Only 2 MMORPGs so far i couldn't stand because of the graphix, wildstars retarded neon-disco and FFXVs every swing a flashy bling design, aswell as the slow gameplay of the latter

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>>384913210

I absolutely love it. Their general is nowhere to be seen now, a distant memory by now.

They used to shill /wowg/ for weeks with their obnoxious faggotry, and now are eerily silent, probably drowning their sorrows with cheap alcohol.

Private server fags are seriously the most pathetic people alive, right up there with those pathetic FF shills that shill their garbage, dead MMO.

>>384912994
Rotations aren't hard when you're only casting 30-40 times per minute on a good day.

>>384906534
Not sure about Legion having a lot of content, but I do know the director for WoD got fired for bad-mouthing micro-transactions and dismissing "MAKE EVERYTHING GAY" fanatics in an interview during the alpha/beta stage of WoD. He was one of the last classic wow vets and was a pillar of old-Blizzard creativity, and so when the WoW team not only lost that but also the director for their expansion, it sort of blew up in their faces. I'm guessing they scrambled to tie everything together in the last couple months, this is indicated by a few things such as the heavy reliance on garrisons as a hub for everything via a million text boxes, as well as the sudden discarding of the intended capital cities. They probably decided it wasn't worth the effort of trying to fix the mess they've made so they moved on to Legion development.

>>384912953
Makes sense

>>384913387
F I V E H O U R S

>>384913234
Then it's obvious you didn't play it; with the OCDs it's way faster way and more involved than WoW. You literally can't defend WoW's current Fisher Price mobile phone wannabe setup unless you have nothing else to compare it to because you're new to WoW.

You fucktards literally deserve the lead dev that plays on a tablet

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>>384912994
>Hehe, fucking WoWfags, all they do is press one button all the time

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>>384909667

>>384911050
Glad's easy as fuck and has been for a while, you literally just get the usual classes into fighting shape and then jump ship as needed depending on what's super retarded for the time, I've gotten glad so many seasons just off the back of come and go warrior bullshit.

Game is great at the moment for making alts. If you have 1 character at ak40 all your characters can have ak40 also.

I've been making alts and just going through the class order stories and getting class order mounts.

If you have not played the game since bc you get a level 100 demon hunter to start with. You also get a free 100 also I think.

But leveling is fun also especially if you have not played in years. Most of the bad rep comes from long content droughts. The leveling zones themselves are fine.

>>384913642
well every class is identical now but at least the APM is high, thanks wrathbabies

>>384913642
out of all the classes u post 4 buttons arms
kek

>>384913619
no one talks about current wow, that is really shit for lots of classes, but unironically defending any game with lalafell and the associated playerbase is just retarded, sorry

>>384906534
Legion is a huge improvement over Warlords, but it isn't 100% of the way there yet. A lot of content is gated behind time-based reputation grinds. Truth is, though, that between FF14 and legacy servers, plus the subscription dropoff, WoW is feeling some actual competition. That's why it improved.

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>>384913619
>with the OCDs it's way faster way and more involved than WoW

Stop blowing shit out of your ass.

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>>384912953
I'm shocked anyone plays Elysium anymore
>be Nostalrius
>get shutdown
>basically say Blizzard haven't heard the last of this and get mainstream media attention
>Blizzard invites them to HQ for, what I now believe is, a talk with their lawyers
>say if Blizzard doesn't announce legacy servers at Blizzcon they will do something about it
>people think they're saying fuck it to the C&D and bringing Nost back
>instead they give their code to Elysium and say you can transfer your character over
>things going fine until Nost guys come back and say they will be stopping the transfer of characters from their servers to Elysiums
>wonder why
>then the scandals roll in
>mods were taking bribes from chinese players through an untraceable program
>duped loot in return
>also gave them first access to raids
>also duped characters where a level 60 with top raid gear would appear and nobody has ever seen him or raided with him ever
>anyone that mentioned any of this was banned from the game
>mods would routinely patrol the forums and discord find a bad post look at the name and ban the associated account for calling them out
>mods basically come out and say its all true and the majority of Elysium staff is corrupt
even after all that its somehow still alive

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>>384913884
I'm glad they left Monk alone, although his dps is shit, the tank/healer/dps are very different from the rest of classes, and still fun imo

>tfw Diablo 3 classes take more skill to play than WoW
This is the worst timeline

>>384913917
I'm not really defending it; I don't even play it currently. I have played it before and that's why it's funny seeing WoWfags try to make shit up. 14 is a bad game for other reasons, but the thought that wow is harder to play is laughable.

>>384913990
Because ultimately that's just pointless server drama and as long as the server runs, people will play it.

I didn't really buy into it in the first place, and I dont play elysium, but I realize all the drama is just that. If you want to play vanilla, you play on elysium.

>>384913619
>You fucktards literally deserve the lead dev that plays on a tablet

Farrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttttttttttt

At least try and have something that's not a meme, it's really easy to find info about this, the nigger's not literally playing the game on an ipad, they use it like an extra control setup.

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>>384913906
Why would I post anything besides highest dps?

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>>384907721

>>384914352
>pointless server drama
>Actually taking bribes and letting people buy their power and access to shit

Nigga that's kind of a step up over some people getting mad over slapfights.

>>384913884
>well every class is identical now

this isn't even remotely true, stop shilling disinfo you dumb fuck

>>384914310
>but the thought that wow is harder to play is laughable.

Over 9 statics killed O4S within 24 hours of release. The world 2nd KJ kill happed about 20 minutes ago, which is 25 days since it opened. WF took 18 days.

>>384913930
That game seriously has you averaging only 40-45 casts per minute during normal play? I assume it has several abilities off the GCD for interrupts and such though?

Still, sounds pretty boring. I remember playing prot paladin back in the day and gaps in my 'rotation' would irritate the hell out of me. Had to give up playing prot warrior after they fucked with the rage generation after cataclysm (I think it was?). Then they fucked with blood knight GCDs too, because why not? But I digress.

>>384914364
>"Tablets work fine for anything except Shooters, where you need to be able to spin around, so absolute positioning doesn't work."
Your lead PVP Dev doesn't even play the game and has stated so publicly. Jesus Christ.
Maybe if you cuntsbdidn't all have Stockholm syndrome and sit around taking this and making excuses for them, we'd see some fixes to the game.

>>384914404
not for long, arms getting nerfed bro ayula ring proc rate is going down the drain

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>>384912994
>more than 4 buttons
>Stormblood removed a ton of abilities making most jobs only use 4 buttons
>even gave abilities one job has to others
>removed the one thing that made it unique letting you mix abilities from different jobs
>adding insult to injury made a gauge for each job that you cant hide

>>384914578
it's almost like KJ is balanced around TF gear and not skill

>>384914631
>That game seriously has you averaging only 40-45 casts per minute during normal play

It's less actually, the 5 XIV parses are all 100%ile NINs which means they are players of the highest (logged) skill level playing the fastest job in the game. Note that the activity is only 90-94% (due to some downtime for boss ultimates) so on a training dummy they might break into the low 50s range. Your average XIV player probably does somewhere in the 25-35 range.

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>>384913990
>even after all that its somehow still alive

Private server players are bottom feeders. They are THE most addicted group of WoW players there are. Come on, this should be beyond obvious considering they are unable to let go of the past.

They will continue to eat whatever shit that private server staff put on the plate, while ironically insulting retail players with the same thing. It's nothing but projection.

When this manic retard is your idol and posterboy, you should know you fucked up.

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>resub spontaneously
>bored in an hour
fucking WoD could at least keep me interested a couple of weeks at the time, but holy shit legion is just anti-fun incarnate.

>>384914404

haha, enjoy tuesday my man

>>384914769
>some classes bloat went up
>no class rotation is WoW tier 4 buttons
>job abilities are now in an expanded pool compared to the choices before
lol wowbabbies have to lie now. There's SO MUCH wrong with FF14, but you fuckers don't pick the actual things; probably because you're making shit up and never played it.

>>384914769
no job has 4 buttons they have a ton more, the problem with FFXIV is that all jobs rotation are static and rigid, so it's gets veery boring and stale after a while

>>384914474
>letting people skip the fun of the game
Okay? Buying your way to victory means you don't win. Again, it's irelevant. If some dumbfuck wants to get in with the GMs and get geared as fuck, let them, it's not a widely available service, and all it does is cheapen the experience for themselves.

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>>384914842
if its balanced around TF gear then why did exorsus take like 1.7k wipes to kill kj meanwhile method the absolute mad men did it in 500 kills?
remember the LE MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE avatar? they did it on first lockout meanwhile exorsus had to get tf gear and get it on second lockout because they're fucking noobs

this is one of the highest skill ceiling raids wow has ever had so far

>>384914842
There are over 50 guilds that have ilvls in the range of Method when they got WF yet only two have managed to kill it. Gear isn't the only factor.

For all you fags arguing about ff14, the vast majority of their playerbase doesn't even care about combat. Only 10% clear savage raids. Most people just craft, gather, do shit with housing and chocobos.

>>384914578
Be honest, is it because KJ mechanics are so hard or is it the gear check?

>>384915174
Let's be honest, bro. Most of WoW's current 'Hit the 2-3 procs as they light up!" gameplay isn't very riveting, either.

Cata might've been the real point of no return, but at least it had real classes to play, rotationwise. Not talking about the talents because that was a mistake, too.

>>384913234
>>384913406
>>384913642
Mechanics in WoW are literal baby tier easy and even so, rotations are somehow even more braindead.

Try a real MMO for once, hopefully you pick a Monk or Samurai and do some raiding instead of playing the trial and complainig about your lack of buttons, you will find that is pretty challenging to do your rotations while the boss is trying to kill everyone and not just the tank.

https://youtu.be/binii62IQPw

>>384908154
Playing a game that literally bans people for linking dps metres/logging.

>>384906534
Wod development was wasted on garrisons and ashran.

Ashran could've been like a whole raid easily and garrisons were scrapped multiple times.

They bey it all on those two core things and it backfired

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>>384915034

How about instead of always blaming Blizzard for you not having fun, you can grow up a little and realize the game isn't for you anymore?

I quit recently, but not before putting in another 60-70 hours into Legion. It was fun for a little bit, but the game isn't for me, and I don't find it fun anymore. I had plans to gear up this Death Knight and raid Tomb of Sargeras, and later Argus with him. I had plans to level up a bunch of alts and get Artifact skins on them that I liked. In the end, I realized the timer investment wasn't worth it for me.

As much as we like to say it's so different from before, it really isn't. You quest, you run dungeons, you raid, and maybe you PvP. Anyone who's a 10+ year veteran has done it all and then some, at this point.

>>384915289
honestly, I feel like WoW and FFXIV are pretty close in raids quality, FFXIV bosses are prettier and better animated, but encounters are very unoriginal and sometimes clunky to play, WoW is more fluid and some bosses are more original, and WoW has an actual raid with more than 4 bosses

falls on what type of graphics/gameplay you like more I would think

>>384915387
see
>>384914578

Current WoW has me really scared for that Diablo project they are working on. It could be a really great MMO/pseudoMMO, but instead we are going to get some fucking Facebook tier game, I just know it.

>>384914842
Right. You throw all your raid's gear into a pile then the machine measures it up to see if you have a high enough ilvl or not and if you do you get to access and kill the boss.

>>384906534
>Legion gets so much content it's hard to catch up
Hello Ion, maybe you should stop shitposting and fix your fucking game.
How have the stockholders not sued Blizzard yet? WoW used to make more money than all of Blizzard and Activision's other IPs combined. Now they have what, like 4 million subs compared to the 12 million they used to have. They used to have enough players to warrant have a TCG and a nice figure line, not anymore!
I bet if the stockholders did sue they would probably win pretty easily considering Blizzard keeps putting people like Ion in charge that keep ruining the game further and further, the more they casualized the game the more subs they lost, even the casual players they tried to appeal to quit, and yet Blizzard does not change the lead or management or try going back to the root.
My friends and I let our sub run out and don't plan on coming back, we'd be pretty far behind in AP if we came back now. AP grind isn't fun in any way. Grinding rep and stuff in Vanilla/BC/WotLK was fun to me, but not AP.

>>384915387
Lmao ff14 raids get cleared in a day

>>384915505
gear check is not skill anon

>>384915289
guess the first expansion to rely on hundred wipe encounters? cata. somehow this is a good thing?

>>384915373
some class are pretty ok, Monk and Shaman (although shaman is very spammy) Feral, and balance, demonology are pretty fun, others are made for retards, like BM and Arms

i know at some point they wanted to make all mobs scale with weapon lvl, did they go through with it?

>>384914578
Great, but overtuning the bosses doesn't somehow make the classes themselves more complex.

I don't know who actually is defending the fact that these classes play NOTHING like they did the last 10 years.

>>384915618
Suing for what you retard

>>384915441
wait, what

>>384915696
how is it a good thing for raids to be cleared day one?

>>384915701
BM is the worst experience I ever had in WoW. I mean, what the fuck.

>>384907936
LOL @ Molten Core

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>>384915140
>making shit up and never played it
ya got me!

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>>384906534
I've thought about trying to get back into it but at this point it seems impossible. Haven't played since February and I play a fucking Unholy DK and I'm sure no guild is looking for one.

>>384915828
it was my favorite spec in WoW, I loved the pet management at first, and just your buddy going apeshit on mobs while you fucked him with the bow

now you are a random guy who summons for some reason, spiders and lions, have like 50 pets to throw at the boss like soviets soldiers, I just want to reck shit with my old companion again without being forced to summon random pets

>>384915741
For intentionally making less money. If a company on the stock market decided to start not using a single tax deduction and just pay the full tax amount, they would easily get the shit sued out of them by the stockholders.
WoW, which used to be their biggest money maker by far, made more money for them than everything else combined, has been going downhill in sub count for years and they have stayed on the same path, that is ripe for either an ousting of upper management or a lawsuit.

>>384915805
well that's a problem they created for themselves with un-tiered raids

>No FFXIV boss has come close to "Alone in the Darkness" in terms of difficulty

Heck they'll never have the train boss from BRF because that would kill most every static

>>384915805
Maybe it's not, but this current tuning has not been the standard.
>>384915904
Great screenshot, now reconcile that with what I said and explain why you don't know what you're talking about.

>>384915734
Why should they? Game is 12 fucking years old and back then most specs didn't even work

>>384915734
Yeah man, classes were so great when you literally stood still in one place the entire fight and pushed to cast something every 2-3 seconds. Then at the end of the fight the top damage dealers' damage breakdown would say: Shadowbolt (100%) Curse of Whatever (0%)

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>>384906534
>Playing WoW

but anon theres literally no reason to play WoW when Black Desert exists.

>>384916015
>intentionally
Lmao fucking retard

>>384916123
BDO is Runescape for people who want to AFK 90% of their game time. It has zero endgame.

>>384915639
You have no idea what you're talking about there are 16 guilds right now that are 8/9 and dozens more that are 7/9 with comparable gear to what the WF 9/9 guild had. If it was truly "just a gear check" the race wouldn't have even lasted more than a week.

>>384916123
>BD goes on Steam sale
>suddenly shills crawl out of the woodwork and start spamming it on /v/
like clockwork

>>384916123
I love the gameplay, I don't like to grind just so I can grind more killing brainless mobs, at least in WoW and FFXIV you can grind so you can be prepared for the next batch of content

>>384916015
Get a load of this wannabe banker
Your retarded ass probably thinks that infinite growth is possible for a fad mmo

>>384914404

i hope you just ironically posted that shitty parse

Play Tabletop RPGs you hack fraud. WoW isn't about creativity and role-play. It's about bland grinding to get gear that helps you get more gear. The game focuses too much on combat. It has become Diablo with a 3D camera but it takes way more effort to do anything while netting the same Skinner box toilet water drip.

>>384916287
world first poopsockers are absolutely not relevant to typical players

>>384909173

Its funny how someone actually posts what is really the only things to do in wow and it gets ignored.

>make classes more involved to play
>Make talents not mobile phone game tier
>Remove D3 Ancient Ancients RNG
I'd come back

>>384916482
But that's exactly what people always wanted?
Nobody cares about rp faggotry

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>>384916123
>BDO
>facebook cow clicker + PvP arena lobby combined into one masquerading as an MMO
>people fall for it
why do you do it, anon?

>>384916482
>implying the most interesting thing about tabletops isnt combat
???

I play and enjoy tabletops, but the draw is in the encounters and adventures, not the straight up RP. Characters are a form of combat expression and most systems are built around combat almost exclusively.

>>384916559
Because there's no counter to it

>>384916493
That's completely irrelevant, you were arguing that XIV mechanics are somehow harder when their hardest raids are getting cleared in less than a day.

>>384915215
It paints a really grim picture for the server if your admins are straight up taking money under the table so people can have advantages.

>>384916685

implying cowing aint fun
mfw this fagget never played UO and mabi

>>384916846
First off, just because one raid tier is over tuned doesn't somehow overturn the last three expansions. Secondly, people were talking about classes and how they play, not the fucking raid content.

Not a single person said FF14 had harder raid content. Just like WoW, the average person doesn't give a fuck about raiding and the difference is WoW has LFR.

>>384916819

Ive played off and on since vanilla and legion is the quickest I have ever unsubbed from wow. 2 fucking months. The artifact shit is a STUPID fucking grind.

>>384916848
Of course it does. Hence the poor press about elysium during the event. However dismissing the server entirely is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Again, I don't play the server, I'm playing super casually on Ascention WoW rn, but I genuinely do not care if a handfull of asshats buy to win, because odds are, they won't impact my gameplay experience. It's not a readily advertised service, it's not common.

>>384916846
They are mechanically harder tho, just look at raid guides from both of them. The difficulty in WoW comes from having too many people while in XIV every member needs to do mechanics perfectly

>>384917227
>The difficulty in WoW comes from having too many people while in XIV every member needs to do mechanics perfectly

>20 people having to play perfectly is somehow less difficult than 8 people having to play perfectly

>They are mechanically harder tho, just look at raid guides from both of them.
Guides aren't even out for KJ, literally only two guilds have even killed him as of 20 minutes ago. There aren't even fallen avatar mythic guides out and he was killed almost 20 days ago. That's how few people have gotten that far.

>>384917649
still waiting for you to show harder raids = better expansion

>tfw live is a shitshow
>tfw Felmyst died in 5 hours
all WoWfags are cucked beyond belief

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Inky Black Potion is the real MVP of Legion.

>playing retail when Project Ascension is out

Wew lad. The freshest thing to happen to MMOs comes out and, and you instead stick to soulless cashgrabs.

>>384917891
I never said anything to that effect, I'm just refuting the anon >>384915387 that is spewing bullshit about XIV mechanics being harder.

Whether or not difficult endgame content makes a game better is completely subjective. If you want challenge then yeah, it's probably better but a lot of FFXIV players aren't looking for that and that's fine. I'm sure there are a ton of players that care fuck all about raiding and would rather ERP/make glamour sets/play TT/etc.

>>384918334
XIV mechanics are harder tho, he is right.

>>384918239
>When [literally who] is out

>>384916463

let him have it, hes going to be at the bottom after tuesday

>>384915387
Half of that is either lifted straight out of wow raid designs from fifteen years ago with standing in the right place to avoid getting feared somewhere bad and not standing in the fire or convoluted stand in the right spot or everyone dies "puzzles" like mythics have now.

>>384910325
hunters had distracting shot.

>>384915986
Unholy is actually in a pretty good spot rn. You'll have a better shot at finding a raid spot over a frost or blood

>>384918959
Iike literally current WoW raids?

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>>384915986
>tfw I fell for the Unholy meme
This is the first expansion I didn't play my Hunter and I regret it. Then again, I don't really like how Hunter plays at all right now so it probably wouldn't matter either way.
Prot Warrior was fun too, but I heard that they fucked it.

>>384919135
I know it's in a good spot that's why it would be hard to find a guild. Any decent guild probably already has 1-2 and isn't looking for more.

>tfw only sold 380k gold overnight instead of the usual 1 million

feels bad man

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Literally the only thing wrong with WoW right now is that half of all abilities are procs.

>>384908154
>shitty weeb WoW clone
>no addon API
>shit graphics and zone size due to being on consoles
>slow as fuck combat because consoles
>bosses take place on generic circle/square platforms because consoles
>forces you to go through a (boring) story filled with fetch quests that make you run/teleport around the world 100 times
>to level another job you have to grind fates/levequests/dungeons since you can only do each quest once per character
>you pretty much have to level other jobs because you get some of their abilities in your main job

This game is fucking garbage, sorry friendo. WoW might be worse than it was before, but it's not nearly as bad as FF XIV. Only reason people care is because it's from Japan and has the FF name.

>>384913387
Why do you care this much about what people download and play? I don't even PS myself but it's just so blatant and pathetic how you people jump on the attack the second someone says or does something to go against the company. It would be kinda funny if it wasn't so sad. And the fact that most of the people defending blizz are 16 - 20yr olds who never really experiences any other expansion. Like you should seriously get over yourself.

>>384920150
lmao, they already changed everything of what you just said, update your pasta furfag

>>384917227
lmao imperator had a 20minute guide video for the basic fight itself and then a 40minute guide just for the differences on mythic mode.

explaining that fight takes longer than finishing a whole tier of FF14 raids.

>>384920298
I would think it's because they spam the general like he says. Even on /v/ you get these threads from time to time that get no replies and are obviously so desperate to get people to join them.

>>384920313
nigger you don't understand convoluted fights with nerf bats < simple fights with meaningful classes

>>384920000
>overemphasis on single player content
>garrison shit was carried over into order halls
>four button rotations
>repeating the same content over and over for rng loot at different difficulties
>ap grind
>mandatory legendaries
>legendaries aren't special any more
>artifacts are meaningless

>>384920298
Private server babbs are pretty obnoxious.
They dont just play on their servers, they gotta shit up every other place while acting like tough guys.

Those retards even made threads on the general WoW forums.

So basically take your retarded accusations and shove them up your ass you private server monkey.

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>>384920576
>backpedaling this hard

>>384920313
imperator?

>>384920738
>i like this version of the game the most because it had all these features and design philosophies that are nowhere in the current game
>FUCKING RETARDS LMAO SHITTING UP EVERYTHING ACTING LIKE TOUGH GUYS JUST PLAY RETAIL ALREADY

>>384920678
Legendaries haven't been special for a long time. 99% of the time it's just mongoloids who got boosted by their guild and then bailed for another guild when they got Dragonwrath/Shadowmourne. I should know, I was one of them.

I literally make enough gold for a token every single day just buying and relisting mats on five different servers lmao

>>384906534
Blizzard realized that the one expansion a year model they were going for with WoD's development was retarded and dropped it.

>>384921079
Imperator Mar'Gok from Highmaul.

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>>384921107
this garbage shitposting is exactly why you deserve all the shit you get.

>>384906534
>What the fuck changed?

Metzen gone

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>>384921172
hmm i wonder who was pushing for a yearly franchise

>>384921316
Blizzard, because they didn't want a repeat of SoO or DS, but it happened anyway because Blizzard literally just throws shit at the wall to see what sticks. Case in point, Titan.

>>384921254
>you deserve all the shit you get
You mean the ability to play my favorite versions of the game for free while laughing it up watching retail vermin cling to their dying game while Activision-Blizzard squeezes out what little life it has left?

>>384921603
yeah thats working out just fine with all of your bootleg servers getting nuked before they even come out.

>>384921695
two servers got shut down big whoop, there's hundreds that weren't hosted by retards.

>>384921268
I'm actually interested to see what the story will be like in Blizzard games moving forward. I don't know how much of legion Metzen wrote, but the vocabulary in dialogue is definitely broader.

>>384921695
gummy was a meme who's never been relevant, he's done

>>384921316
>>384921442
Or what happened with the weapons and such.

Was sort of fun but fucked up on the AP grind then 180'ing on it like they did with Cata Herorics (although the latter was good in its pre-nerf state). Coming back when I left before Nighthold then coming back to Broken Shore stuff did make me realize how the "see what sticks" mentality seems to be a thing.

>>384921996
The artifact weapons were designed in a way so that they could make the AP grind irrelevant whenever they wanted to.

With garrisons it wasnt that easy because that shit was woven into every single aspect of the game.

What a dumb idea that was.

>>384921996
They added a DPS spec for Protection Warriors and then removed it because they couldn't figure out how to make it work. They removed reforging in-favor of the RNG loot upgrade system.

The AP grind was a way to add character progression and give players a reward for doing content even if they don't get gear. But it's tedious and not fun to farm. At the end of the day artifact builds end up the same because rather than vanilla talents, it all just comes down to what should be learned first and inevitably learning everything in your artifact, then just keep dumping points into it to boost the ilvl.

They could have made it more like weapon skill leveling where the more you used it the stronger it got, but they didn't.

>>384921996
trivial content for casuals is the cancer that killed wow

it's literally impossible to die in the world

elite mobs mean absolutely nothing

you have mythic raiding as the only 5% of the game that isn't trash

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>haven't subbed since October
>haven't even had the urge since the trainwreck known as Legion finally killed WoW once and for all
Full offense, but if you still play WoW in the year of twenty-seventeen, you're a fucking moron who should be ashamed of themselves.

>>384910453
this is what ruins the game... the sense of entitlement

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>friends all play alliance
>want to be a delicious goblin

come on blizz. not like you've given a fuck about the lore since vanilla

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>>384920298

holy shit, imagine being THIS mad that you got made fun of

pirateserver babs, everyone

>>384922489

WHY do posters keep saying legion has all this content.
The fuck content are they talking about?

>>384922979
I guess you lack reading comprehension. I do not play on a private server. Hell I just recently let my retail sub run out. But you assuming what I do, coupled with the cute little gif really shows how autistic you are.

>>384920298
You could take that stance towards anyone claiming they are finally "free" from the game after this expansion. You can see the tears dripping from every word. They don't play but still samefag every wow thread.

>>384921872

New lore as the ending of legion will pretty much tie up everything dealing with warcraft 1 - 3.

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>>384923220

>30 minutes later, still seething

>>384923185
typical mmo content like dungeons, raids, pokemon battles, achievements, scaling down to a lower level and running old dungeons and raids like black temple, rep grinding, professions, hidden appearance and mount collecting, challenge modes for transmog, wacky versions of various battlegrounds, arena laddering, rbg laddering

>>384923185
Raid content wise its easily one of the biggest expansions so far.
They even added nice inbetween raids like trial of valor.

By the end of the expansion it will be three whole raid tiers+EN+ToV. Thats not bad at all.
Havent had that much since WOTLK, and in WOTLK most of the raiding content was actually garbage like recycled Naxx or a literal one room raid.


Also many smaller things to progress on. The magetower challenge is pretty tough if you dont overgear it on a tank as an example. Game has many small things like that currently.

>>384923512
Except Azshara and the new Kul Tiras led by Jaina.

>>384910453
Aw he wants neet bucks in an online game too.

>>384921872
It looks like the South Seas and Azshara might be the focus of the next expansion so that should be exciting.

>Zandalar
>Kul'Tiras
>Possibly revisiting Kezan post-Cata
>N'zoth
>Jaina either going full psycho or currently fighting off the trolls or naga/N'zoth forces

>>384924134
I look forward to garrison boats with crew members as followers. God help us.

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Why arent you 8/9M, /v/?

Gisco...

>>384923670
>dungeons
Pissbaby easy loot hallways
>raids
Yet another gauntlet of gear treadmill bullshit that will be obsolete in another year~
>pokemon battles
I can't tell if you're being serious or not
>achievements
Supplementary to actual content, not content itself.
>scaling down to a lower level and running old dungeons and raids like black temple
He asked for LEGION content, not recycled content from older expansions
>rep grinding, professions
Timegated bullshit
>hidden appearance and mount collecting
"Look! I got a new [thing] that's just an uglier palette swapped version of a thing I already had!"
>challenge modes for transmog
"I beat this dungeon and all I got was this gaudy armor that makes my character look like shit."
>wacky versions of various battlegrounds, arena laddering, rbg laddering
>>>>>>minigames

Is that it? Is that really the hardest you could scrape the barrel, drone?

>>384924494
look at pigfat crawling out of his mountain dew can to grace us with his gaming god presence

>>384924494
Got four shit legendaries through all of EN then I got butthurt and quit.

Now I kinda enjoy my free time even though NH and TOS look alright.

>>384924275

This would actually be cool as fuck if you could dock them at various points on the maps. Kind of a mobile base type deal. That would be incredibly comfortable. Maybe an option to just go to the open sea as well and then you go to map that is only empty ocean.

They'd obviously need to be on rails at the least, but it would still be incredibly cool to launch a flare and have your Garrison come dock near you.

BUY ESO
BUY ESO
BUY ESO

>>384924494
tfw when wiping to mistress

>>384924567
you asked what content and I stated it

why are you so flustered?

>>384924494
>Encore
No thanks

>>384924597
I dunno why but I laughed a solid minute reading this, I'm off to bed thank you.

>>384924567
What do you count as content and what game could possibly have it? You know games can have different things to offer.

>>384916123
bdo has the most ungodly ui ever, to complement the ungodly graphical bugs. Why people play this game I will never comprehend.

>>384906913
Legion has the same level of players as around burning crusade times retard

>>384924494
If I'm ever going to raid it's going to have to be through the raid finder. I can't find pug groups worth a shit and no guild I join keeps a consistent schedule.
>Hey guys we're going to raid on Friday
>About an hour later than the scheduled time
>We're going to cancel tonight
>Spend the rest of the night with my dick in my hand
Just fuck off.

>>384921268
>>384921872
Metzen stopped writing for WoW after Wrath. He moved on to Titan.

>>384906913
Why are you still on 4chan?

>>384924275
I am extremely tired of the garrison shit, and I really hope they retire it.

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>Finally quit after Nighthold
Best feeling in ages was quitting that damn game.

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>>384906534
>it's hard to catch up

>>384925319
>Wipe
>Raider Leader calls 20min break for smoke break
>45mins later finally pull but 7 people are AFK and one of the healers are offline
>Wipe in 3mins
>Raid Leader calls 20min break for smoke break

Fun times

>>384922383
>dumping points into it to boost the ilvl.
Why do you people who didn't play the game talk about it?

>>384925319
you kinda gotta work your way up until you get to those guilds that are consistent.

can be tough though.
the new group finder feature is absolutely amazing for pugs though.

>>384925319
best bet is to check out wowprog and wait for the top 20 on your server to recruit

>>384925563
I thought AP contributed a little bit to ilvl. Not as much as relics, but a little bit. Do they not?

>>384916123
The end game is gambling shitloads of money for a small chance at an upgrade that you NEED to be able to do harder content. If you fail the roll, which you will significantly more often than succeed, you need to farm gold for 20 hours or buy cash shop shit and sell it.
You need to get multiple successful rolls, each one with a greater chance to fail.
Farming gold is just killing the same mobs over and over for hours on end.

>>384925675
no, its completely unrelated

>>384925734
I see.

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>>384911420
disgusting

I don't care what setting the next expansion is in, I just want them to unfuck their current class design. Every expansion they change it, and it's been getting worse and worse lately.

>>384923627
Oh you're shitposting. Got it.

>>384926358
MoP was the height of class design, and 2 prunes later, everything is bland and clunky.
there's another prune planned for argus, so you may as well quit now.
wow will never go back to its roots, legacy servers will never be released, and the game will only be further broadened in appeal to soccer moms and 3rd worlders who can't read english.

>>384908796
You're delusional, legion has the most timegated bullshit thus far.
>artifact knowledge behind time gate
>totally not garrison missions behind timegates, some long as fuck like literally waiting 3 days for 500 war supplies or a day and a half to get your raid boss quest
>class hall story progression requires garrison missions, thus behind a timegate
>illidan soul questline that happened had a cap on shards per week, so long timegate
>long pointless quest timegate before they open nighthold (weeks)
>another long pointless quest timegate before tomb (weeks)
>timegate on order hall upgrades
>a fucking timegate on chromie talents of all things
There's a timegate everywhere you look, it's retarded.

>>384927078
There any reason to do Chromie successes? Seems like the only reason to do that dealio was to hope for chests when the things drop.

>>384927078
>gated quests
The HEIGHT of injustice and something they've never done before! How do they get away with it?

>>384926801
I didn't play much of MoP, but I enjoyed what I played in terms of how fun the classes were. I really wish that I played then, but Cata burned me out on how bad it was.

>>384926801
wow roots were two to three button rotations

I remember shadow was literally trinket + swp and keep it up > mf > mf > mf > mb on cooldown when tank has enough aggro

>>384927476
Receiving one quest per week when there is 7 or 8 quests total is pretty ridiculous.

>>384927705
and it worked back then because that was the standard. the standard kept getting higher and higher until WoD hit, where everything went backwards, and even in Legion, class design again, went backwards.

>>384913996
samuro is a monk?

>>384927798
literally sunwell isle shit from TBC

>>384920298

Because they shill their garbage for months if not fucking years and it's hilarious to watch it all blow up in their faces as it so obviously would.

>>384927879
To be honest, suramar was fine. A nice piece of story every week to mix up things when you felt like it.
Shore quests were bullshit. Pure bullshit

>>384927798
The broken shore quests are blatantly rushed but the Suramar questline is standard pre-event fare. It's well designed and contains lore. It doesn't even matter when you can do it all at the end, and everyone gets the reward at the same time. It's actually easier in parts.

>>384927834
Even though I do agree that some classes like hunters are too stupid right now you cannot honestly believe that just adding more and more buttons infinitely is a good thing.

For mythic content in MoP I had like 45 binds on my windwalker monk.
That was excessive as shit.

>>384906534
biggest gripe with retail is that everything has to have 10 zeroes on it. can we go back to the days of 10k HP and 10k mana?

>dont even start with "muh power fantasy"

>>384928254
whats the difference
there isnt one
its all abstract numbers

>>384928254
I remember when a 1k soulfire used to pwn in PvP as a warlock

and it was like a 5 second cast

>>384928176
adding more flavor, abilities used outside of combat, or only in very peculiar situations inside of combat, hardly changes your rotation or keybinds at all.
reworking rotations, taking away an ability, but adding another, and so on, is far different than outright gutting every single specialization in the game down to 5 buttons or less, while removing all flavor outside of combat.

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>>384906534
lack of community that's why I'm on Elysium

>>384925310
Liar

>>384928254
Exponential increase in stats so that current content isn't trivialized. The game is more than a decade old. Still you get cases where older gear is used as part of an exploit so it has to be nerfed to not affect players anymore.

What killed retail WoW?

>>384928489
real raiders had to bind those peculiar situations abilities because they would come up sooner or later.
its also those abilities that got removed the hardest, not the flavor shit.

I can still walk on water with a deathknight or slowfall as a mage.
What I cant do is disarm an npc for five seconds for a minor DPS boost that happes once in ten encounters.

>>384928719
It's been proven that not even WoW can kill WoW.

>>384928719
Its still alive and well

>>384928830
going down from 45 buttons to 20 is okay because you're a mythic raider and enjoy the fact you no longer have too many keybinds, and will never have more in the future.
monks, not even once.

>>384906534
>Played demonology on and off since wotlk
>Demon hunters steal metamorph
>Become glorified imp master

Fug

>>384928719
the Diablo team

>>384925310
Lol no

>>384929035
It's alive, I wouldn't say it's "well"

>>384929721
Blizzard said it can go on for years based on it's current success. It's doing more than ok for itself.

>>384929721
I am a new player and its really fun and entertaining for me. I saw the movie loved it and decided to try legion. Now I am an every day player and mythic raiders

there is never a problem finding people to play with and getting into a guild. All the social areas are active. You are probably just a bitter old player who doesnt like anything.

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>>384929401
Look at pic related and then this
https://www.polygon.com/2016/9/8/12851794/world-of-warcraft-legion-sales-launch-day-subscribers-record

I'm sad that they've moved away from having Shamans and Paladins being kind of support classes. I don't need to do top deeps, but let me buff and the support the rest of the group to make up for it.

>>384906534
>so much content it's hard to catch up

Does anyone have that image of the dev saying he's providing content while talking about maxing AP out on multiple specs?

>>384906627
fpbs.

someone needs to help the beaten housewives out of their cancerous relationship with blizzard

>>384930107
>Polygon

Into the trash it goes.

>>384925310
wew lad

this is a new level of delusion here folks

>>384925490
good for you anon. Now if only others could be saved

>>384906534
>next expansion

Hahaha.

>>384906534

Been playing since BC released. Part of me wishes WoW would die so I can move on with my life. My gaming backlog is infinite.

WoW has become this girl I used to fuck with big tits and a horse face. She's always there when you need something to ride, and she's pleasant enough...but it's keeping me from bigger and better things.

>>384911420
>cherrypicking
the trial themes in FFXIV are vastly different and range over a ridiculous amount of musical genres which is more that I can say for WoW
Here's a track made for WoWfags that still listen to NIN and metallica like their soul is trapped in the 90's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdV_bzJgRxE

>>384930984

dude they ripped off FF7

>>384930527
Next expansion was already datamined.

>>384917649
20 people having to play decently is less difficult than 8 people having to play perfectly.

>>384931213
10 man heroic was better and harder than 25, what a fucking mistake

>>384930309
how fallacious can you be nigga

>>384930392
See >>384930107

>>384930984
Music varies from person to person, WoW's music is and always has been amazing. XIV has good music too, the vocal music for every trial boss is great in its own right. But the music looses its charm when you have to listen to it over, and over, and over again.

Besides, most people just mute the game and put their own music on in the background.

>>384931428
Ironic, what with the site being polygon and all. And even if it was a credible site. It said legion LAUNCH sales. That is a terrible thing to go off of. WoD initially had great sales, then they lost half their subs. WoW is down to 1.5m maybe 2m at this point. Game is dead or at the very least, life support.

>>384931084
They ripped off Powerman 5000 When World's Collide

>>384915803
No one has ever been banned for linking a DPS log.

The rule is there so that they can get banned if they do that AND are an asshole about it. Which has happened.

>>384909912
>Not summing in his void walker to tank the moose before killing it with chaos bolt.
What a fag.

>>384931840
You obviously haven't played legion, because it's very much alive

>>384933050
>wander around doing wqs and gathering
>nobody ever talks to anyone
>90% of the time there isn't even wpvp and people just ignore each other
>world bosses are just retards slamming into it until it dies with no coordination
I could get the same experience setting up a private server and playing by myself.

>>384933345
Damn I'm sorry for the server you play on