>Hate looking up guides >Get stuck in a puzzle game Is

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>look up answer
>it was something awfully obvious that you somehow missed

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>Puzzle is bothering me
>Know that I have a guide
>Spend one hour trying to find the solution
>Finally find it on my own

When was the last time you took a sheet of paper and a pen to solve a puzzle?

>>384784639
I use printscreen and a digital notepad sometimes. My calligraphy is shit so I refuse to write in physical matter unless I need to.

>>384784639
That doesn't work in Pheonix Wright. I'm emulating those games as I speak and I'm having trouble with Redd White. The contradiction I want to bring up is that the wire tapping device was back at their hotel room, but I don't see a chance to. I'm afraid I just didn't find everything I needed in the investigation and I'd have to redo the entire trial.

>>384784838
Don't worry about this, you can't miss anything

Like anon said, the game makes sure you never get into an unwinnable state. It's just that sometimes the game is a bit stupid about when you're allowed to present certain pieces of evidence. The game is probably expecting you to bring up a different contradiction first.

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>>384784567
>Look up answer
>It's some totally obtuse bullshit that that you have no fucking clue how you were supposed to figure out

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>>384785396

Here's a puzzle from 7th guest. Reorder the soup cans so it spells a sentence.

It's really fucking stupid.

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>hardest puzzle in the series is 15 minutes in

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>look up answer
>answer involved using a game mechanic or ability that you didn't even know you could do or ever had to do up to that point in the game

>>384785942

>Need to have working knowledge of Shakespeare to finish a horror game

It's just so stupid.

>Stuck on a puzzle for half an hour
>Finally found the solution yourself

Is there any better feeling?

>>384786283
>Stuck on a puzzle for half an hour
>Finally found the solution by randomly guessing
Is there any worse feeling?

>>384785815
But there aren't any vowels?

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>>384786283
>>384786354
>*music stops*

>>384784363
fucking layton

>>384785815
>no vowels
?

>>384786431
>>384786482

The letter Y is the only vowel. Have fun figuring out one of the most infamously retarded puzzles ever.

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>Try to 100% game without using a guide for the first time ever
>At 93%
>Stuck on a fucking "beat the clock" level
>Convinced that it's absolutely impossible after dying for the 50th time
>Don't want to look up walkthrough because I've come too far
Fuck you Rayman Legends

>>384786498
>>384786482
>>384786431
>>384785815

Oh, one thing that doesn't translate very well; the can layouts are the length of each word. The first word has three letters, the second 5, etc. In the game proper you can't move the cans, only switch them so this would be obvious.

This doesn't make it any easier of course. It's still a terrible puzzle, and it's right at the start of the game.

>>384786498
Damn I don't think I even want to try, I just woke up and this is too much for my brain

>>384786608

Solution: Shy gypsy, slyly, spryly, tryst by my crypt

>Stuck on a puzzle
>Try the first obvious and most intuitive solution
>Doesn't work
>Spend the next three hours trying everything you can for a solution
>Finally give up and check the solution
>Your first guess was right but there was something slightly off so it failed

>figure out the puzzle and order of events
>lol fuck you clear the other endings first and then do this route again but it'll work this time

Fuck you 999

>>384784363
I dare any of you motherfuckers to play Dracula 3 path of the dragon on PC, with no help

I did it without internet

>>384786689
This asshole just figured out that "sometimes Y" rule and went to town looking words where that's true. It's kinda bullshit he expected people to reverse engineer that. I picked up that there was no vowels so that it was limited to words where "y" was the only vowel, but that alone should've been 80% of the puzzle. That sentence is total bullshit.

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>>384786729
>answer is a paralellogram
>build a paralellogram but facing the other way
>incorrect

>>384787401
I posted in the wrong thread

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>>384786689
>>384786689
FUCK i was actually close as hell, that sentence is retarded I was expecting soemthing that actually made sense not "technically it is a sentence"

>>384786953

It's got some other shit too. One picture puzzle is generated randomly and sometimes is unwinnable. There's also a chess puzzle that's unwinnable on modern computers because the higher clock speed means the ai has more time to pick a good move.

The thing is that this is a super influential game. It was one of the first games to use CD-ROM technology, and the CGI was incredible at the time. Manufacturers would present this game off at trade shows to show off the capabilities of the hardware. It had a much more intricate plot than any other game of 1993 either.

Sold 2 million copies, Bill Gates called it the new standard in innovation, etc.

It's one of those things that time just forgot. It's responsible for so much development in the videogame sphere, but can be looked back on as an awkward, frustrating, ugly, convoluted mess of a game. Time marches on, I suppose.

>>384787606

You did a lot better than most people could have been expected to do.

>>384786141
Lol that's just common knowledge. At my high school I had to read 9 Shakespeare works.

>>384787693
I guess yeah, but it didnt feel like I was actually solving it. What a horrible puzzle

>>384784363
>discover a cool niche puzzle game
>get hooked up and play at it for 10 hours in a row
>got bored
>unsure if leave it unfinished or look up for all the solutions left

>>384786964
Man I did the same thing. Had to look up a guide after struggling to build another shape for way too ling. When I saw the solution I just stared at my ds for 10 seconds and closed it.

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many of the 'puzzles' in the secret world are complete aids to the point where they gave players a built in internet browser so you could Google the answers when you inevitably give up
You have shit from obscure song titles to Morse code to ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs

>playing puzzle game without guide
>get stuck
>use guide once
>now cant force yourself not using it at slightes problem.

>>384787964

Old adventure games were filled with stupid shit like this. To be fair the game has a hint book that'll just give you the answer if you use it enough times. It says that bad things happen if you overuse it, but all that happens is you miss the next cutscene.

Here's another puzzle (it's in 7th Guest, but I got the picture from a different source). You need to visit each node exactly once, and not reuse any paths. If done correctly, the letters should spell out a message.

>>384788220
>game has puzzles
>screech when you're expected to answer them
Jesus fucking christ. The puzzles in TSW are great you fucking monkey.

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>game requires knowledge of one of the developer's real life LARP character to proceed past a certain point
If you weren't a usenet autist in the 80s you were effectively locked out of most the game's endings.

Being an idiot has it's advantages.

Playing the zero escape games was actually pretty scary because the trap rooms truly became real threats.

>The Witness

>>384788251
every graphic adventure ever

>>384787725
Is it only english-speaking countries that have to read Shakespeare in school? I live in Norway, we just got a quick rundown about him and Romeo and Juliet in English class in high school.

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>>384784363
>use guides and walkthroughs mid way
>you are supposed to have this set of equipments or recruit someone back in previous chapters if not, enjoy the bad endings!
i fucking hate shit like this

>>384788363
Can you elaborate? This sounds hilarious.

>>384788345
they would be puzzles if the game actually gave you the materials to solve them without outside sources
but the game doesn't every puzzle is designed around the Idea of the player googling the answer and there rarely methods to solve them actually in the game
like the Morse code would make sense if they actually gave the player an in game chart or something to translate it manually
but nope you either have to already know Morse or open the in game web browser to find the answer
its completely laziness disguised as creativity

>>384788524
His works are laden with puns and wordplay that weren't easy to catch when his works released, let alone now, and especially for people who weren't raised speaking English.
So probably not quite as worth it.

>>384788580
>Play the game normally, plow your way through
>Realize you get a shit ending
>Need to complete a well hidden cryptic quest and recruit aforementioned secret character in a specific time window in the game to get the real ending of the game itself which you wouldn't even be able to appreciate unless you looked a guide up
Yeah, fuck you too square

>>384788524
mostly just America
they think making students read nothing but Shakespeare and other multi century old books are teaching 'English'

>>384784363
Yes.
Being the cunning killer known as the Miami Mutilator, and being overshadowed by some kids in animal masks wanting their 15 minutes of fame.

>tfw playing grim fandango made you feel like a complete retard
But some of those puzzles were a little much r-right guys

>>384788580
>>384788982
Square is the worst about this.

>Opened every chest I encountered in FFVI

How was I too know I couldn't get the best shit in the game if I opened them early? Dropped the game and never picked it up again.

>>384788884
I tried reading Peer Gynt (the play with the Hall of the Mountain King theme) by Ibsen and I barely understood it. Doesn't help that he wrote Old Danish instead of Norwegian.
>>384789023
>be american
>doesn't know the difference between your/you're and then/than, but at least you know the plot of all of Shakespeare's books

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>>384786836
I was disappointed by how easy Dracula Origin was. Like they switched to completely logical puzzles that were too simple in comparison.

I can't fucking play La-Mulana for this very reason.

>>384785396
someone post the puzzle from Armed and Delirious

>>384789162
I'm about to play through ffvi
Tell me what you exactly mean.

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>>384786689
>imagine having paid for this shit

>>384784363
I got stuck in a Divinity 2 puzzle where you have to guess the order of some statues, I got too lazy to keep up with the notes I was trying out.

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>>384789183
logical puzzles are the best and can be extremely challenging just look at the entire myst series. I'll take them any day of some twisted "developer logic" where you need to peer into a game designer's brain to understand how it works.

>>384784639
about two years ago solving a puzzle in the longest journey

>>384789260
Certain chest give exponentially better equipment, like reagent for best weapon in the game I think, if you open them after certain points in the game instead of when you first encounter them. I forget if they are specifically marked or just look normal.

>>384789145
The only games from Schafer that I finished on my own were Full Throttle and Broken Age Act 1, enjoyed them the most as well
I honestly don't understand how can someone enjoy Grim Fandango or Day of the Tentacle with all the random guessing that they require for you to progress, so infuriating

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>Playing collectathon platformer
>almost 100% the game
>one level I have everything but stuck at 199/200 gems
>spend hours looking for it
>cover every inch of the map
>exit and reenter the level
>still cannot find it
>sleep on it and retry the next day
>still nothing
>now I have to choose between giving up or restarting the entire game over again

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>>384784363
>pic very related

>be autist
>supposed to be good at noticing patterns
>still awful at anything puzzle in vidya
should i just end it?

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>puzzle makes no sense in your language

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>>384789698
>not being born in a first world nation
look at this fag

>>384789698
getting through any RPG was almost impossible as a kid. i spent 2 years wondering why that fat fuck in front of route 222 wouldnt let me pass through

>>384789545

Broken Age Act 2 gets really stupid.

There's a few parts where the solution to a puzzle is in a different room... that your character can't go to. You have to switch characters, find the hint, and then switch back. But the characters have no way of talking to each other, so there's no feasible way for them to share that information. Also up to that point the two sections were fairly separate.

Also the boy's computer mom and dad are his actual parents but behind a computer screen. So stupid.

>>384789541
I don't remember that at all from VI, are you sure about that? Granted it's easy enough that it probably isn't necessary anyway.

XII definitely did that though, and it was certain arbitrary chests that you had to not open in order to receive a weapon.

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>>384787612
The saddest fact is that true innovation can be so influential that it spawns an entire generation of copycats that play out whatever it did both more in depth and more derivatively, to the point the original seems the most shallow and derivative in contrast and association.

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>plays amazing
>looks fantastic
>sounds fuck awesome
>way too much a retard to progress in it

I might throw in the towel and use that spoiler free hint-to-solution walkthrough.

>solve puzzle
>"no way this was the intended way to do this"
>look up guide after
>you are supposed to solve it in a completely different way
man that felt so good. was one of the puzzles in the tower of talos principle

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>play LA Noire
>spend some moderate amount of time for checking the suspect's reactions and the evidence, many times double check it
>convincing myself that I'm sure about my answer and it's the correct one
>cue the wrong answer tune

>>384790028

Yup. It's the way of all progress. First to market just means that other people can study what you did and improve upon it. But it also means you get to be the trendsetter.

Alone in the Dark was filled with a lot of retarded shit too. It's also the first survival horror game.

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>>384790361
also this

>>384789412
I think this is why Portal 2 was great. The puzzles are never hard but they're logical and satisfying to solve.

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>>384788220

>Need to match hebrew with arabic symbols
>Need to transcript a demonic language using items in the game world
>Need to be able to read music notes
>Need to use lines from the bible to guide you to different places on the map
>Need to know how to read morse code
>Need to use the in-game browser to access actual websites that have the answer

TSW went absolutely insane with some of its puzzles

>>384788220
It worked better in the early days when googling actually landed you at whatever fictional in-universe website instead of all the guides websites like Unfair.co and whatnot.
>>384788345
Most of them are good. Some of them are absolutely not, anon isn't entirely wrong.

At any rate here's a decent site (no guides) a lot of us used in the early days for the various ciphers you encounter, suggest mentally bookmarking it the next time you get stuck on a cipher type puzzle:
http://www.simonsingh.net/The_Black_Chamber/chamberguide.html

>>384790443
This fucked me up so much.

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>puzzle involves some obscure reference no one but the dev knows

>>384790841
It frustrated me so much. Especially the fact that it make Cole look dumbfounded and make the suspect smugly get away with it.

>>384788801
Are you retarded or just trolling? They even set up fake websites just for quests in the game, it was not laziness as you claim.

>>384789254
5 0 0 C O M B I N A T I O N S

>>384788982
Metro games

>>384791765
Is this a 9/11 reference?

>>384789164
>be american
>doesn't know the difference between your/you're and then/than, but at least you know the plot of all of Shakespeare's books

Hey, you're not wrong. Welcome to america, baby.

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>tfw this is the exact reason I dont like point & click games

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>>384784363
>get stuck on an easy puzzle near the beginning of the game and have to look up the answer
>Solve all the hardest puzzles that people say they had a ton of problems with

>>384796501
>give up and just click everything
>click the correct thing twenty minutes later and feel dead inside
>get stuck again almost instantly

>get stuck on a puzzle
>don't want to look up solution
>decide to finish it later
>2 years later and it still isn't finished
Fucking Talos Principle

>>384784363
I'm a grown ass adult.

I probably paid money for this.

Fucking right I'm going to faq it. My time is precious (much as browsing /v/ indicates otherwise).

>>384784363
Playing OFF later on this week, I'm pretty fucking determined to be a man and solve all the problems myself instead of copping out and looking up anything like a pussy.

Can I get an estimate on how hard this is going to be?

>>384784639
When I played Obduction.

It turned out that it wasn't a puzzle at all and was a red herring. I was annoyed.

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>>384786964
You triggered my fucking PTSD. This and the GOLLUM Bay puzzles left me fucking stumped for AGES, let alone the gold solutions as well.

half the puzzles i end up failing in games is due to me somehow becoming blind to a single object.

>>384797037
>Can I get an estimate on how hard this is going to be?
Nothing about it is too hard, there's no "that" moments that I can think of. But there was one or two puzzles I just randomly guessed on. I feel like OFF was weird, it treated hard puzzles like they were easy and the easy puzzles like they were hard.

>>384786689
That's not a fucking sentence, it's just words with only y as a vowel. Damn that's bad.

>>384797037
I'd suggest writing things down.

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>>384784567
>Look up answer
>It was the first thing you tried but you just fucked it up somehow and thought it was just a wrong solution

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>game has built in hints
>be fairly certain about the answer, it just relies on 1 point that may or may more be assumed
>if you use a hint you lose on the score
>if you fail an answer you lose on the score more
>be stuck between hazarding a guess for 100% score or taking the hint so you lose less score

>Maths based puzzle
>Just trial and error it because I'm incapable of doing maths

I guess I'm the opposite of autistic, numbers just make my mind go blank.

>>384797261
The creator was probably just poor at pacing them out right and structured where they were at mostly at random.

>>384797426
I'll keep that in mind, I actually have a small notepad specifically for writing shit down.

>>384786689
has anyone in the past 100 years actually used the word spryly or tryst outside of this

>>384797684
I've seen spryly a bit, but never tryst.

>>384790592
I opened that image with the intent of solving that, but I have no fucking clue how that game works. What am I looking at here?

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>>384797261
>>384797426
actual spoliers
I've been stuck on zone 3 because it doesn't work when I enter Von Gacy

>>384791218
I haven't played LA Noire, but that sounds like a realistic consequence for failure. Of course you're going to look like a retard and the guy is going to get away with it; you fucked up.

>>384797850
Ive seen tryst, but never sryly. Tryst is used in high fantasy to say that the queen is fucking some knight

>normal puzzle
>enter the seemingly correct solution
>incorrect answer
>spend ten minutes figuring out the answer
>look up the walkthrough
>it was from character x's perspective, so the answer is the reverse

This happens so often, and I some how fall for it every time.

>>384785396
half of the alternate safe solutions in virtue's last reward are like that

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>tfw play every puzzle game and/or exploration game by following a checklist on every first playthrough.

No stress, quick playthroughs, maximum comfiness

What is your favorite puzzle game /v/?

>>384800383
Portal

>>384800383
Puzzle Fighter

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>>384800383
The Myst series is pretty comfy.
Though my favorite puzzle game would have to be Dark Fall: The Journal.
It was the first time I ever finished a point-and-click without any hints whatsoever. It made me feel like a super genius