Who did it better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9r 5h

mario, like always

>>384746125
The sonic trailer killed a person.
So sonic wins by default

>>384746275
>t. sheltered nintenbaby who never had a genesis

>>384747286
>this guy disagree with me b-better right him off as some manchild
>i don't care that sonic hasn't had more than 2 good games in last d-decade

>>384747286
Genesis was a terrible platform.

>>384747391
Quality>Quantity

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>>384747286
>sonic autist makes an appeal to authority

>>384747286
This. 2D Sonic absolutely blows away everything besides maybe Super Mario World.

Mario wasn't better until the transition to 3D.

>>384747402
Is okay if you can't handle blast processing

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>>384746125
I'm fully convinced the dev team of Forces is ENTIRELY self aware.

>I am the sharpest of blades I'll cut you down in a second

They've gone full edge. No one goes Full Edge.

But they did. And it's amazing.

>>384747467
>Mario wasn't better until the transition to 3D.
21 years ago. This thread is about the new games, Anon.

>>384746125
That pic perfectly sums up the two characters.
>Mario is a short-tempered tryhard whose even shown to be a sore loser in one of the sports game
>Sonic is a carefree nigga whose sole purpose is to have fun and go on adventures

>>384747467
>except the worst console 2D Mario

holy shit, kek

>>384747749
But Mario World is the best 2D mario. Only Mario 3 and Mario U come close.

>>384747467
this is half true

sonic 3&K is better than every 2D mario but the other sonic games are lower than the 2D marios

inb4 sonic 2 autsits

>tfw Forces will feature another subpar Sonic soundtrack like Lost World
At Least There's Mania™

>>384747839
If it's anything like the Adventure soundtracks it'll be at least good

>>384747839
>subpar Sonic soundtrack like Lost World
Lost World has some of the best sonic music though.

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>>384747286

are you fucking saying you like that edgyness?

>>384748010
I'd rather have edge than bingbing wahoo

>>384747839
I AM THE DARKEST OF DAYS

>>384747818
Sonic 3 is literally the worst one, fuck off.

CD and 2 beat any Mario game. Mania and the New! Mario Bros series is going to be no contest also.

The only good Sonic game is 3.

>>384748081
>2 beats any mario game
lol no

>CD
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>384748081
>CD
Spotted the fag. CD's level design is utter fucking trash. It's literally nothing but jumping on small blocks, no room for momentum based platforming.
3&K>2>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CD

adventure 1 and 2

>2dpd

>>384748081
2 is for fucking casuals and had horrible visuals and level design

the fuck is wrong with this board

>>384748010
Do you not?

Did you listen to the song?

The Custom OC, the Edge, the old villians, the new OP Edgy Villian, the hundreds of different shades of BROWN for the background

It's like they know everything that's wrong with modern Sonic, and instead of trying to fix it one by one, they just said "FUCK IT, LET'S SEE JUST HOW FAR WE CAN GO AND SEE IF IT LOOPS BACK AROUND TO BEING GOOD".

At least presentation wise, it's fucking gold.

>>384748152
>>384748196
>>384748250
Why are 3K fags such vile little shitposters? The closest thing I've EVER seen one get to a coherent argument is yelling about why they hate the other games. I've never actually heard a single reason why SK is supposedly in this loft place above the other 3 Genesis Sonics

>>384747936
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>384748274
because anyone who's played the genesis games knows that 3&K is by far and away the best one. Thinking anything otherwise makes you a tiny brained troglodyte not worthy of actual discussion

>>384748258
At least the actual main theme is, eh, well no it's actually not great. Better than the edgetastic one, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI97jY3FZ9Q

>>384748274
Because CD is fucking horrible you delusional shit eater.

>>384748375
I like it, it gives me a sonic heroes vibe. Which is a good thing

SMW2 > 3&K > SMW > SMB3 > Sonic 3 > SMB:LL > S&K > Sonic 2 > SMB2 > CD > SMB/Sonic 1

>>384748442
>SMW2
>Super Mario World 2
Nani?!?!

AFTER ALL THIS TIME YOU'RE BACK FOR MORE!!!

>>384748513
yoshi's island

>>384748513
Yoshi's Island retard. It's full title is Super Mario World 2: Yoshis Island

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>>384748513

>>384748442
great taste

>>384748578
>>384748580
>>384748630
Oh fuck I forgot that they labeled a game with entirely different gameplay Super Mario World 2.

CUZ IF YOURE MESSING WITH ME I AM A DANGEROUS WEAPON I AM THE SHARPEST OF BLADES ILL CUT U DOWN IN A SECOND

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>>384748442
DKC2 > all that faggot shit

>>384748697
fucking idiot

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Infinite's theme is so fucking perfectly campy edge.

God damn I love it.

>>384748697
>Oh fuck I forgot that they labeled a game with entirely different gameplay Super Mario World 2

Admittedly, that was fucking odd of them, AND it was actually a prequel, but yeah, there it is.

>>384748295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8cLe9ZUh1w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LjCflnDok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68EzgPTsjVU

What's wrong with you my dude?

>>384747664
>I'm fully convinced the dev team of Forces is ENTIRELY self aware.
You honestly have no idea how out of touch Sonic Team really is, do you?

These are the same guys who unironically thought it was a good idea to give Shadow a gun and have Sonic characters cursing. Who unironically thought it was a good idea to have Sonic killed and then resurrected by a human princess' kiss. Who unironically thought it was a good idea to have Sonic turn into a werewolf in order to bypass the "shitty friends" complaint. Who unironically thought it was a good idea to make a waggle-focused Sonic game where he wields a sword. Who unironically thought it was a good idea to produce a literal "Sonic 4" with Megaman physics because they didn't think anyone would really care. And for a more recent example, the head of Sonic Team was wary of showing off Sonic Mania because he didn't think the idea of a classic-focused Sonic game would be received that well.

You're giving Sonic Team WAY too much credit if you think they just one day became completely self-aware. Maybe Sega of America and its PR team will try to play Forces off as a joke, but the developers honestly expect people to take this shit seriously. It's hilarious, but also pathetic in a way.

>>384746125
>Jun Senoue on guitar
Hell yea

>>384748747
While I agree, and DKC2 > K:SS > MMX would be at the beginning of the list, it has nothing to do with this topic.

>>384747936
Lost World's music was pleasant, but it's pretty mediocre compared to other Sonic soundtracks.

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>>384748721
CUZ I WAS BORN IN THIS PAIN
IT ONLY HURTS IF YOU LET IT
SO IF YOU THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME
YOU SHOULD GO AND FORGET IT

SO LOOK AROUND YOU AND TELL ME WHAT YOU REALLY SEE

sonic team is on enough layers of irony to make an onion jealous

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>>384748795
Anon, I'm just hoping against hope here.

Just let me have this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW6TtXKVLYg

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>>384747818
>3&K is one game

Delete this

>>384748871
Pretty sure we were judging 2D platformers
Also megaman x is an action game with platforming elements

>>384748375
this sounds like the opening of a shonen anime tbqh

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>>384748375
>It's Crush 40 esque
>Mfw
It's not quite OPEN YOUR HEART or LIVE AND LEARN but it'll do.

>>384747936
Yes, it does, but that doesn't mean that its soundtrack as a whole was kinda weak compared to the usual Sonic fair. They need to stop stretching Ohtani so thin and bring in more composers to help out.

>>384747220
What

>>384747220
Source?

>>384748795
It was kids who suggested Sonic have a gun.

>>384748274
Probably just the fact it's the longest.

I just wanted a game that didn't have that shit tier dialogue they've had since colors. Was that too much to ask?

>>384748975
There's nothing wrong with enjoying Forces' edgy stupidity, but there's no need to give Sonic Team credit when they don't deserve it.

>>384749280
Well no shit, it's literally just two fucking games stapled together.

>>384749205
And it was grown men who thought it was a good enough idea to follow through with it. Kinda sad.

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>>384746125
>

My god, it's Sonic '06 all over the again.

I fucking love it.

>>384749042
Nah, we're judging 90's Mario and Sonic platformers.

You also forgot Klonoa 2, Cave Story, Megaman 2, Wario Land 2, Dustforce, Earthworm Jim, and numerous other ones that top the Mario/Sonic list.

>>384749461
Gex 1 dominates all

>>384747286
Sonic was always boring

>>384748250
Is this a joke 2's design beats 3k by a long shot

>>384749456
This time we're given full warning that a trainwreck is planned.

Last time we didn't find out until the fucking train smashed in front of us.

>>384749461
there are plenty of good platformers but mario and sonic are staples of the genre along with megaman of course

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>>384749438
Supply and demand. We should write letters to Yuji Naka for A Sonic game that's exclusively werehog

>>384749683
That's what I was saying. We're discussing only Mario / Sonic here, DCK2 while great has very little to do with them.

>>384748795
Black Knight was great fuck you.
Though yeah the controls could have used work but at least it wasnt literally unplayable like secret rings.

In any case most of all that stuff was almost a decade ago or longer, they get better with time as Generations had shown us.

>>384749461
Megaman is more of an action platformer rather than a precision platformer

Cave story has platforms but is hardly the same genre

I think that Bonesaw is also worth mentioning

Rock music ruined Sonic the Hedgehog.

The fuck do you go from Michael Jackson to Crush 40. Embarrassing.

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>>384746125

>Jolly happy times VS Ow the edge

The choice is clear

>>384749618
No, I'm just talking about the music. I feel like I'm listening to Zebrahead again. Not the whole band, just Ali Tabatabaee & Matty Lewis.

>>384749685
>Yuji Naka
He hasn't has anything to do with Sonic for over a decade.

>>384749835
Up the shut fuck?

>>384748274
3K fags are little babies that are easily distracted by cute flashy gimmicks like the shields

>>384746125
Lets be honest. Mario will easily be 90+ On Metacritic where Sonic Forces will struggle to hit 70

>>384749890
I realized that after I hit post. Whoops.

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>>384749890
Good, his non-sonic projects are excellent.

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>>384750038
The game could be Mario shitting in Luigi's mouth and critics would give it a 90+, what's your point?

HERE WE GO

>>384749835

I love the crush 40 music, but I see your point. At least mario has consistently silly sounding, vaguely Italian music.

>>384749779
>the controls could have used work but at least it wasnt literally unplayable
It says a lot when THIS is the best you could come up with to defend Black Knight.
>they get better with time as Generations had shown us
And Forces has shown us that Sonic Team is willing to drop down to that level of stupidity again despite Generations.

Honestly, I only think Forces looks mediocre, but I'm not exactly seeing anything worth defending either.

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>>384750297
>i think its medicore but i dont see anything worth defending

be more redundant, please

>>384750038
>Mario will easily be 90+ On Metacritic where Sonic Forces will struggle to hit 70

Mario's going to hit 94 because there's going to be some contrarian fucks that just give it a 60 because "No LGBT representation" due to them not including Birdo or some shit.

Forces is going to get 64 because there's going to be some contrarian fucks that just give it a 90 because "OMG I CAN MAKE MY DEVIANT ART CHARACTER EVERYTHING'S OK" due to the reviewer not having a brain.

Mania is going to hit 96 but have half the amount of reviews because 2D platformers don't sell like hotcakes anymore.

>>384750167
All the 3D Marios are stellar platformers. Sonic wishes he had games that good.

They also have better soundtracks and don't have to rely on cringy "so bad its good" vocal tracks Mr. Live and learn

>>384748792
Unleashed soundtrack stomps the handful of decent songs Lost World has

>>384750297
lol im saying the exact opposite. The controls is the only flaw I'm not using the controls to defend it.
To defend it, I'd point out that the story was great, the gameplay was fun, and the music was great.

>>384750167
Well the every single mainline mario is worthy of that.

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>>384750430
>All the 3D Marios are stellar platformers

What is Super Mario Galaxy 2? A game so easy and boring it has to remove your dozens of saved lives every time you turn the game off in order to present even one iota of a challenge. It fucking tells you how to beat the final section of the final boss. TEN out of fucking TEN.

>>384750496
>There can't be 2 good soundtracks.
Okay.

>>384750715
>What is Super Mario Galaxy 2?
One of the best platformers ever made.

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>>384750375
I don't think Forces looks godawful, but it's not doing the franchise any favors either.

That better?

>>384750643
>Well the every single mainline mario

There's been precisely TWO mainline Open World Mario's.

64 (which deserves +90) and Sunshine (which sure as fuck does not).

So no, only half of the open world mario's are worthy of 90's.

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>>384750791
Read past my question mark. You don't see me going around saying Sonic 06 is the best Sonic game like a fucking idiot, so consider stopping your nonsense.

>>384750862
Sunshine is better than 64 in a variety of ways.

>>384750715
>caring about bosses in 3D platformers

Name some good 3D Platformers bosses, I'll wait.

>lives having anything to do with difficulty

>>384750715
You didn't play Galaxy 2 did you?

Else you'd know the actual challenge starts after the main game.

And don't be that fuck that complains "OH MY GOD I NEED TO GET ALL THE STARS TO GET AN EXTRA LEVEL 0/10 GAME" or else you're the same faggot that says getting Chaos Emeralds is too much of a chore and you should be rewarded them at the end of every level.

>>384750862
>hub worlds are open world now

galaxy is open world too then.

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>>384750975
>Sunshine is better than 64 in a variety of ways.

>>384750715
>What is Super Mario Galaxy 2?
A great game with creative and good level design

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Can we agree that this game is overrated?

>>384750914
>Read past my question mark.
I did.

>>384750862
Nigga. Every 2D and 3D game from SMB - Odyssey is mainline. Well the NSMB games are arguable but aye.

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>>384751092
>galaxy is open world too then.

Nope.

Galaxy and Galaxy 2 were very linear, despite seeming very open.

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>>384750975
Bowser from Super Mario 64 was pretty good.

>>384751001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nERL8KkZRfA
Skip to 1:15. Pic related.


>>384751145
Christ this is like whack a mole. When's the thread where we all pretend to like Sonic Boom?

>>384750536
>The controls is the only flaw I'm not using the controls to defend it
I didn't say you were. I just found it funny that you tried to defend the controls by claiming they were at least usable. Please gain higher standards, you'd be doing yourself a favor.

Won't comment on the story or music but
>the gameplay was fun
How can the gameplay be fun if the controls are heavily flawed?

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>mascot wars in 2017
Mario already won, that's why Sonic's best game in over 20 years is a glorifed romhack while Mario keeps chugging out A+ 3d platformers

>>384751308
3D World was shit.

>>384751474
Sonic's been shit since 1995

>>384751294
>I didn't say you were
Actually, I guess I did. I meant to refer to your defense of Black Knight's controls, not the game itself.

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>>384751474
Critics and fans alike disagree.

Unless reviews don't matter today.

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>>384751285
>nobody is falling for my trap and saying sky station 1st green star is just the first one in the game

Fuck, I guess you guys are smarter than I thought.

>>384750975
>Name some good 3D Platformers bosses, I'll wait.

K.Rool, Mad Jack, Gruntilda (BK:T), Gexilla, Most of Ratchet and Clank (1)'s bosses.

You're right in that there's not a lot, but there's definitely a number that are good.

>>384752047
That's a decent enough list but bosses in 3D platformers are usually all spectacle and 0 substance. They shouldn't be the focus anyway, but still.

>>384751764
Delete this, you'll see sonic mania get even higher scores!! Screen cap this!!

>>384751248

You seem to be swayed more by marketing than your own fucking eye balls.

>>384751561
I'd say on-again off-again since then, some good some bad. Mario platformers have been shit for nearly a solid unbroken decade though (only Super Luigi, which didn't have Mario at all, was actually fun), which is a shame. I have hope Odyssey will change that, if not confidence.

>>384748795
Actually, that Yuji Naka(?)s team. They've left and went to the indie scene. Everything past 06 was made by a new team.

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>>384748442
>sonic 3 or sonic and knuckles being greater than sonic 2

what an awful list. only a tasteless contrarian faggot would say otherwise.

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>>384746125
why does Mario's newest title have better music than fucking Sonic's? This is bad

>>384746125
I love both, but as music goes Mario did it so much better. I just like Infinite's theme cause of how so god damn edgy it is

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>>384752462
Literally everyone and their mother disagrees with you.

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>>384752865
>appeal to popularity

yeah no good bye

>>384747220
Bullshit, stop saying random trash with no basis in reality you fucking retarded manchild.

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>>384753007
This more suited to your needs?

>>384748374
The saying is "far and away" not "by far and away"

>>384753254
Fuck... you better delete this now

>>384752865
Plenty of shit games get effusive scores. I still didn't enjoy SMG2 at all.

>>384753975
Well that's on (You) :)

Are we supposed to play Sonic Forces ironically?

>>384754067
Well, how about the flipside? What do you like about it?

>>384754506
The music/sound design, level design/creativity, streamlined level select, yoshi.

>>384746125
Mario

>>384746275
This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLLV8Kh1jp4

>>384746125
Sonic is so goddamn embarrassing.

>>384747286
Genesis was my first console, but I ended up getting a Super Nintendo and never looked back, Sega fans are too delusional.

>>384755307
>PAL Ver
I almost fell for it you cheeky bastard. Almost. Im glad I never listed to that trash enough to catch it on the first play

>>384754997
Interesting. Yoshi was one of the things that I felt SMG2 did wrong. He didn't seem to control well, except oddly enough when he was in Pepperdash mode. Still, at least he was closer to the way Yoshi should be than say, Sunshine's version.

>>384747286
what's with all the bait and kneejerks replies to every little thing

can't we just talk to each other like normal cocksucking faggots for once

>>384746125
Sonic's song starts off as a shitty nu-rap track and then goes straight into nu-metal. I used to like that shit when I was a retarded teenager. Not any more. The Mario one meanwhile is great, although the lyrics are very silly at times.

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>>384747810
I agr-
>Mario U