1.50 on GOG right now. Obviously the price is great but how

>>384731256
Nigger it's one of the best pre-2000 pc games. It still holds up today.

System Shock 1 is better, as long as you get the mouselook mod.

>>384731256
It's pretty boring and mostly hyped by nostalgia, one is a much better game.

>>384731453
thats what you guys said about morrowind.
Granted I ended up playing probably 100 hours of it, but i'm not up for sitting through another game that aged like smelly rotten goats anus

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>>384731256
It's still great, combat hasn't aged well though. But like morrowind there are a bunch of graphic mods that make it more modern looking. Sound design/voice acting still blows many modern games out of the water.

also SHODAN is best waifu

>>384731256
It has aged like fine wine.
Can't same the same about the first one, unfortunately.

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>>384731608
you're just being a hipster faggot. SS1 aged like garbage juice, it's shit and the only reason to play it is moar SHODAN.
>>384731256
if you want to play SS1 wait until the remake
https://youtu.be/gv_i6I5N4o8

>>384731965
System Shock 2 is a legitimately good game, If you are familiar with dues ex you'd love the game.

SS1 has better gameplay, SS2 does everything else better.

Oh shit nigger, if this is just a graphics and controls update then I am hyped as fuck.

>>384732204
Yeah... what was it about game engines in those era's and there sound design. I actually feel disoriented in a lot of modern games because it's so hard to tell where a sound is coming from in terms of direction - everything sound wise seems sort of spotty now.

>tfw dumb nintenbro who's never played an FPS before
>try this on steam
>get stuck first area with enemies
help

>>384732376
Everything in SS1 is better, it had more focus on what it wanted to do rather than try to be 15 different things at once like 2 did with it's shitty light RPG elements and other unfinished ideas like the ghosts. Not to mention the level design in particular is amazing and infinitely better than 2's mostly linear corridors.

>>384731256
It has a couple boring parts like finding the code through the paintings (which wouldn't be so bad if they told you to start looking sooner), and destroying all the black eggs but other than that it's still fun. I played it again not too long ago and still enjoyed it.

>>384732204
>combat hasn't aged well
That's a understatement, They tried to adapt the tabletop dnd system into a first person perspective, The exploration and lore is the real meat of the game but the combat simply is not engaging by any stretch of the imagination.

>>384732556
>ss1 has better gameplay
its a dos game, it controls like arena.
>>384732860
which part exactly?
>>384732872
The interface was shit, the music was shit, the level design was daggerfall tier (looks randomly generated), the only thing it did better was it's ending as SS2 had a god awful ending. They did a good job with the RPG elements seeing as it's a FPS, the best in the "series" (including the bioshock games)

>>384731256
>GOG
No thanks.

>>384732872
SS1 had some pretty confusing-for-no-reason level design, and annoying aspects like the invisible enemies. The last "fight" was awful too. Still a decent game considering its age though, and worth playing if you liked SS2. Might be better to wait for the SS1 remake if you want to play it but I'm not sure how long that's going to take until release.

Only bother if you're a fan of immersive sims, otherwise your aint gonna like it. Might appear to have aged badly if you have a hard time playing old games, otherwise graphics and controls are easily overlooked.

>>384733201
>the only thing it did better was it's ending as SS2 had a god awful ending.
Do you mean the ending story or gameplay? The SS1 fight with Shodan was really bad.

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>>384733450
both, but I'm primarily talking about
>naaaah

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>>384732204

I very much disagree on the graphics moddding. It's rudementary polygon models and locations, with basic animations. You'll only make it uglier and jarring if you try to cram custom high res textures and high poly character models in there.

No mods needed for modern GoG and Steam versions to run, they support modern resolutions and even have a modern keyboard layout control scheme

>>384733557
Yeah most people make fun of that. Not sure if they thought they were adding a bit of humor after all the horrible things the player went through, but it would've been better if they had him just shoot instead.

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Anyone think that the best parts of the game were between decks 1-3? Dfficulty curve also somehow ramps down after getting high end upgrades. Also, I always hated doing deck 5 on playthroughs

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>>384733659
Little ones need meat to grow up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LjtSogs0qM

>>384733659
I disagree, some older models are better like the midwives but overall there are a bunch of textures that are just enhanced versions of the original textures and you can actually make out what the object is supposed to be.
>>384733770
I think multiple ending would have been better, there sort of is a mod for that though

>>384731256

I played it for the first time in 2015. It played flawlessly, even with melee. You get hit by an enemy it is your fault, the controls are great (because they were not made for mouse+kb AND shitty ass gampead, they were pure mouse+kb controls and they play better than modern games due to gamepad shitalization)

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>>384733557
>disliking one of the best works of dialogue in gaming history

>>384733201
i have no idea how combat works
the zombie things come at me in all directions

What difficulty for first playthrough.

I'm not the greatest at videogames but i'm not terrible either.

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>>384734023
How could you shoot this? she's a perfect immortal machine

>>384731256
LISTEN TO ME!!! I played it for the first time several months ago an wasn't able to put it down. I was a 25 year old graphics fag until I played FO2 and then this. It's worth it.

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>>384734080
HARDEST DIFFICULTY
WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF WUSS?
WAAAAAAAAAGGHHHHHHH

>>384734023
This fucking ending. Absolutely serious up until the final moments. Take it all in stride.

Played it back a few months ago, game holds up surprisingly well outside some of the character models. It was honestly one of the best games I have played recently.

Only downside is the end portions get easy as fuck and the last area is pretty meh and not designed very well. You will also have to rebind your keys though since A and D are turn and not strafe.

>>384734060
click with your mouse, what are your stats? but the wrench should be able to take down most enemies. if you use psionics you hold down the mouse button and release when it gets close to the end of the bar.

>>384731256
Who hype for HD Remake next year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv_i6I5N4o8

>>384734520
The first game was tense because the controls were shit, kinda like early resident evils. I'm interested in how they are going to keep that feeling with smoother controls.

>>384734520
>made by devs who REALLY love system shock
>also made by devs who made and released Spirits of Xanadu
I haven't seen enough yet to judge properly, to be honest. I'm gonna play it when it comes out even if it ends up looking like a steaming pile by then, and the original is always there in that case.

Any good books in the vein of System Shock? The theme of space grotesque/madness/horror.

>>384734662
>the controls were shit
It's literally WASD down one row.

>>384734795
SZXC?

Seems like a pain in the ass unless you've got stubby fingers.

Who else /enjoybothSS1and2/ here?

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>>384734662
>ss1 controls were shit
can someone explain this meme to me? are tank controls really that alien to people these days? there's even strafe buttons for when you want them

tfw finding this only after having beaten the game multiple times

>>384734996
I like SS1 for what it is, a DOS game. But I think SS2 did everything better (except the ending)

any tips for a first time playthrough?

>>384731965
>Morrowind
>doesn't hold up
OP is an underage retard, nothing to see here

>>384734706
The Expanse series is pretty good, although horror is only about a third of it.

There's also this 300 page fanfic from some webcomic author and possibly System Shock's second or third biggest fan
http://www.shamusyoung.com/shocked/

it's two years older than deus ex but it aged a lot worse.

>shit tons of backtracking with respawning enemies
>final areas are shit
>skill system is kind of pointless since the good weapons require you to nearly max multiple skills
>guns are also mostly pointless since you'll probably just melee everything to save ammo

>>384735197
hello nostalgia fag.
Your game aged poorly

>>384735087
>these days

Tank controls have always been shit and people were right to complain then as now.

do I need to play SS1 to play 2?

>>384735320
>durability degrades so fast the only thing i used guns for until late game was cameras
why did they do this

>>384735332
How so?

>>384735087
I was meaning they're strange compared to modern gaming. Picking up items and searching corpses required you to actually move the item to your inventory, dropping your guard and slowing you down.

>>384735139
opinion respected but dont forget SS2's shitty weapon durability system, heaps of terrible psi powers, and anti-fun hacking minigame

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>>384731256
Games don't age, eat shit.

>>384735087
They aren't even tank controls, the people who think 1's controls are bad are underaged kids who can't stand to play anything that isn't a complete modern control scheme. Even though the GOG version is literally that with mouse look included.
>>384735446
No, but you should anyway because it's better.

>>384735629
Our standards for them do

>>384735629
This is a bad meme /vr/

>>384733265
Fuck off Gabe.

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>>384735517
just alt+doubleclick the corpse while its in the bottom third of your screen to put the topmost item into your pack. Yes that's esoteric and not in the manual but it really works. yer welcome
>>384735412
>he thinks mouselook is as old as FPS and that anyone was complaining then
>>384735446
no
>>384735159
dont put points into psi

>>384735678
Exactly, and that is different from person to person.
>>384735749
Wrong.

>>384735829
>he thinks "tank controls" is just "no mouselook"

>>384735964
how would YOU turn an fpscam without tank controls?

>>384733086
he was talking about system shock 2 you dunce

>>384735829
>just alt+doubleclick the corpse
Oh cool, never knew about that shortcut, cheers.

>>384735294
Thanks!!

>>384733786
I agree, once you get to deck 4 it's a lot more "navigate this maze and find X number of items". It was still similar before that but easier to navigate and you usually only had to find 1 of something. It's not really more difficult on deck 4+, just more confusing.

>>384735332
Mechanically or visually?

>>384735629
RPGs age and everyone knows it. Only the 90s JRPGs stayed good all those early Dragon Quest games are boring as shit.

>>384738748
>dice roll combat
>keyword dialog
>awkward levelling system
all morrowind had going for it was being a fully 3d rpg

the game is pretty fucking boring, the shodan thing was cool though

Just played it less than a couple months ago and that shit was straight up kino.

>>384731256
>he didn't get it for free on GOG
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>384731256
>played this for 20 hours
>can't get past the section where the pasychic monkeys and shotgun enemies appear
Should I just uninstall?

>>384735463
There was supposed to be something in-game talking about how The Many was releasing a gas into the ship that rusted the weapons. I think they said it would've confused new players into thinking there's a time limit on beating the game so they just left it out.

>>384742475
That's still really early into the game, you shouldn't be having that much trouble. Do you have vsync enabled? The first time I played the game I had vsync off so it made the game run really fast and increased the difficulty a lot.

>>384731256
Played it for the first time a few years ago (something like 2010), and fucking loved it. Instantly skyrocketed to my top-10 games of all times. I even replayed the very instant the credits had rolled.

>>384732578
Well, they used the same engine they designed for Thief, and a lot of effort went into sound for that engine since it was important to hear where sounds are coming from when you're sneakan

>I actually feel disoriented in a lot of modern games because it's so hard to tell where a sound is coming from in terms of direction - everything sound wise seems sort of spotty now

I had this happen when I played that last Tomb Raider game with headphones, I guess because there was no separate headphone mode and they exaggerated distances to give more of a surround sound experience but sounds just didn't feel like they came from the right places at all. I would be listening to two guys in front of me talking and it would sound like one is about fifteen feet to my right even though they're both in front of me

>>384744214
I just keep getting btfo by the cameras, and I can only fight off the normal enemies for so long without eventually trading blows and dying.

>>384731256
FUCKIN BUUUUUY ITTTTTTT.

>>384733058
That's not as bad as that part near the end in SS1 when you needed that password to open a door. I got totally stuck there and had to look it up in the end because I just didn't realize at all where the numbers actually were

>>384733265
>I like botnet and cards with achievements are essence of my life
kys

>>384745219
Oh yeah, if you get spotted by a camera early on it draws enemies directly to you for like 3 minutes, not much you can do about that except reload if you don't survive. If you have hacking you can hack a security station to disable the alarm.

Once you assemble a surgical table in that area so you can easily heal yourself it gets a lot easier. And make sure you activate the respawn points, if you haven't. You lose some credits respawning but that's it.

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>>384733659
Texture mods aren't too bad, this one essentially recreates the original textures but sharper. I haven't seen any good model replacements though

>>384731256
Played it for the first time like a year ago and I very much enjoyed it.

>>384745494
Vurts models are alright

>>384735320
I cant believe how well deus ex aged, especially compared to system shock 2

all your points are valid. I only played through to deck 3, and the whole thing just felt like one giant keycard hunt. All the environments and gameplay blend together. I couldn't imagine playing it without learning being guided for skill selection as well.