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Thread for the best game of all times.
What's your favorite thing about Final Fantasy VII?
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Tifa's honkers in the cutscenes are what made me buy the game. The soundtrack is ultimately my favorite thing though.
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Cloud is my hero.
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>>384714897
I'll give you two guesses
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>>384714897
Can somebody give me a quick rundown on Sephiroth?
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>>384714897
That today, people still don't understand the story.
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>>384715264
I can't be bothered.
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>>384714897
I wanna replay it, and, for the first time, with some mods. I expect they may suck, but I should be fine if I go in with low expectations. Primarily I was looking at the Reunion mod, which has an "improved" translation, and new character models. Anyway, it won't install on a pirated version, apparently. So fuck it I guess. I've no interest in buying the game AGAIN.
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>>384715353
Fuck you
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>>384715264
he's a momma's boy
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>>384714897
One Winged Angel is an amazing song. Outside of that I don't care about the game
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>>384715382
Don't bother with the mods, they actually really fucking suck. I bought the game just for them only to be disappointing as fuck by how it looked so shit compared to the images i saw. Basically, if you wanna do another playthrough, check out the re-translation that was made of the game to spice things up a bit. Try doing "classes" too if you want.
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>>384715316
spoiler: everyone dies
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>>384715316
I've played it to completion over 3 times and I still have trouble understanding what the fuck happened.
>>384715382
The improved translation is great, you might even understand what's going on this time. Maybe. But I'd recommend using the patch they have for the original PSX rom in case you don't wanna buy it. I'm not sure they have the other Reunion mods for the PSX rom but whatever they mostly suck. New character models my ass.
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>game promotes NTR
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>>384714897
Played it for the first time recently, can easily see why it's so loved. Should I bother with any of the side games?
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>>384715382
>Anyway, it won't install on a pirated version, apparently.
How true is this of most games?
I ask because I'm going to be joining the glorious PC gaming master race in a few months
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>>384715787
you're forced to play them as you play the game. so just play the ones you like.
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>>384715892
Think he was talking about shit like Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus.
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>>384714897
Aww man if I had to pick one thing, I guess it would be the pre-rendered backgrounds. They were so well done and full of detail.

Back then this game was perfect in my opinion, and Squaresoft was one of those developers you could count on for a great game.
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>>384715892
>you're forced to play them as you play the game
sorry, I meant the spin-offs, like dirge of cereberus or crisis core
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>>384714897
One Winged Angel is still the greatest and best final boss theme ever composed.
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>>384716038

Not really. Dirge of Cerberus was pretty bad.

Crisis core got a decent fanbase at release, but it has aged pretty poorly imo. The combat is roll and around until you get behind the enemies, and then mash X.
The cutscenes are basically made for the 2007 Deviantart crowd, with one character literally being based off of Gackt (the J-pop singer).
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>>384715887
Can't say, I don't often do this combination of pirating + modding a game. Usually when I want to mod a game I like it enough to buy it. And on pc you can sooner or later find a good deal for any game. I just pirated ffvii on a whim, and wasn't too invested in the attempt. I don't want to buy that game again, since I've already bought at least 2 psx versions in the past, and one pre-steam pc version iirc.
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Theese 2 are unironically my favourite characters in the game (and Cid).

I miss having beat characters in JRPGs.
I'll gladly accept furry artwork on Deviantart and other faggot sites as long as I can have characters like Red XIII
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>>384714897
That minigame especially the sub and roller coaster. One of the reason why I want to make my own game.
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>>384716454
I love Red XIII and Tifa/Aerith doujins. Those are the best.

Red/Yuffie is shit though.
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>>384716038
Both CC and DoC have extremely poor character design. We're talking lolis with lightsabers, gun users in straightjackets and poetry quoting self-inserts of Gackt. No, really.
The stories are pretty pants-on-head retarded.

That being said, the gameplay in both is a lot of fun. Lots of room for combat strategy and optimization for preferred play styles.
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>>384715619
Thanks for the insight. I might get that version then.
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>>384716646
the gameplay is the worst part
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>>384716354
The reason I ask is because I want to play a lot of the older console games I bought when I was younger with mods and patches, emulated and upscaled
But as a matter of principle, I don't want to pay for the same product twice
I hope that doesn't make me a piece of shit
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>>384715264
He really doesn't like LOVELESS or apples
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>>384715264
He thinks he's an ancient but in reality he just worships a space alien.
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>>384716267
>>384716646
I guess I'll just watch a longplay or something. Is there any FF 7 side material worth checking out?
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>>384716741
No, the gameplay is definitely better than having to suffer through cutscenes with Shelke the Transparent, Nero the Sable and Genesis
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>>384717170
none of it is worth doing
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>>384715264
sephiroth has the DNA of an alien and his wish and the aliens wish fuses together to make sephiroth all powerful. Sephiroth goes on to try and eat the planets mako
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>>384717107
Not really
Square kept trying to catch the lightning in the bottle but never could
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>>384715264
>be Sephiroth
>be edgy and nihilistic, but not with a wicked sense of humor
>concepts like love and caring are alien to you and you feel alone in the world
>you're literally stronger than everyone else on the planet so that only makes you more of a loner
>be treated like an idol by every little boy and the dream of every girl and a super hero by the company that takes care of you for whatever reason and who told you your mother was called Jenova and is now dead
>get sent on mission
>find out you are actually made from literally an alien called Jenova who they had done experiments with
>think you're the chosen one and super important, going to free the planet from parasites that are the humans
>actually chosen for jack-shit, the alien they used to make you out of with its cells is just making you believe you're a god to do its bidding but you don't know that
>get stabbed by random kid and thrown into the lifestream after you had a fit over your alien "mother" and burned town a town
>your dead body gets frozen by life energy, or mako, and since you absorbed part of the lifestream you can control other parts of the Jenova cells you're made out of
>control other Jenova experiments to come revive you and others to transform into you so you can do stuff while frozen and continue your plan from years ago of becoming one with the planet like momma Jenova would've wanted you to
>Cloud is one of the Jenova experiments and he hates you because you killed everyone he loved oops
>Control Cloud into summoning a meteor so the wound to the planet will make more life energy fuse with you and you'll become God
>he revives you because you're controlling him
>sit in the centre of the planet waiting for the meteor with your alien mom
>Cloud's party comes down
>wtf
>kills Jenova
>you turn into a god
>they kill you anyways
>you can still control Cloud's mind because alien cells, and you're part of the Life Stream now
>kills you in his mind anyway
I think that's it. Correct me.
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>>384717294
>be edgy and nihilistic, but not with a wicked sense of humor
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>>384717294
>be edgy and nihilistic, but not with a wicked sense of humor
He was actually a pretty calm, collected guy until he snapped.
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>>384717294
>>find out you are actually made from literally an alien called Jenova who they had done experiments with
More like he actually thought he was Jenova's offspring and wasn't human.
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>Never finished it as a kid
>Buy the PS4 version
>Discover that i can triple the game speed


I love old JRPGs but goddamn do they waste your time with battle animations. Also feels nice do a whole afternoons worth of grinding in about an hour.
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>>384716852
Ah. desu I have no experience with emulating + modding. Seems like there are a lot of potential problems with that, since emulating on its own is already a mixed bag, depending on the original platform. Now, when it comes to games that were ported to pc, and modding/patching those (or pirated versions of them), I don't foresee any issues. I probably could have fixed my problem with ffvii had I tried. Anyway, I'm sure the info you're looking for is out there.
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>>384717476
It's too much shit I can't remember all of it, but yeah I think you're right.
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>>384717294
>be edgy and nihilistic, but not with a wicked sense of humor
He was boring as fuck to be quite honest with you
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>>384717563
>he didn't spend hours in the Northern Crater fighting Movers and Magic Pots to level up KoR materia for Master Summon
LOOK AT THIS PATHETIC CASUAL
LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH
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>>384717625
Cheers anon
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>>384717453
>>384717672
That's what I meant, really. I mean, at least the impression I got was he was a depressed lonely dude who wanted to find a meaning to his life and thought he was better than everyone else (rightfully so to be honest). Hence "edgy and nihilistic" but that may give the impression he is Kefka/Joker like, hence "but not with a wicked sense of humor".
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>>384717294
So once he learned he wasn't an ancient why did he still go through with his plan? He seemed pretty reasonable before, wouldn't learning the truth shatter all motivation to destroy the planet?
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>>384714897
Unironically my favorite ff character.
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I don't know how I had the energy to put up with all of the JRPG grind bullshit this game and others like it put me through as a kid. And severeal of them, and multiple playthroughs. Now, even if I could lose myself in the game enough to care to do it all, it'd just hit me that much harder that it was all a waste of time when I inevitably snap out of it and am forced to stuff that matters irl, like prepare healthy meals, work, exercise etc.

Moderation is hard.
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>>384718065
When did that even happen
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>>384718065
Yeah maybe
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>>384718065
Jenova is a world eating alien, as the offspring/containing the DNA of it, he could possibly have that lost for mako energy. Combine that with his massively huge ego due to years of people treating him differnt and bam
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>>384718125
when he absorbed the knowledge of the ancients and those who came after from the lifestream
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>>384718125
Apparently when Sephiroth was in the lifestream he learned the truth.
>Aerith: Sephiroth is different. He's not an Ancient.
>Cloud: He shouldn't be able to find the Promised Land.
>Sephiroth: ...Ah, but I have. I'm far superior to the Ancients. I became a traveller of the Lifestream and gained the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients. And soon, I will create the future.
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>>384718180
>The Sister Ray is ready to fire
>Infuse me with mako!
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>>384718180
If you don't have Vincent in your party when you take down Hojo you suck.
>>384718436
I guess he just went crazy and you know when that happens your mind does crazy gymnastic for you to think you're always right. Here, he thought he was an Ancient and as such would create the right future for the planet. When he finds out he isn't he goes "... Well but I'm BETTER than them!"
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>>384717107
Everything else sucks.
Everything.
It's kind of impressive actually.
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>>384718562
Jenova wasn't an ancient either. That's why he already knows he's not an ancient. he believes he's Jenova, a parasite bent on destroying worlds.
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>That convoluted story.
>That bad translation.
>English a third language.
14 year old me (I guess?) didn't stand a chance. Still loved the game, though.
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>>384715070
>The soundtrack is ultimately my favorite thing though.

This. FFVII has the nostalgia factor for me that no other game has, because it was the first FF I ever played. I was like 8 when VII came out, and the music blew me away more than anything else. People may not like it, but it's hard to argue the soundtrack isn't incredible. Atmospheric when it needs to be, with some solid themes. I think Crazy Motorcycle Chase is incredibly underrated, as is Hurry! - the clock-like sounds give everything such an urgency.
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>>384718806
Now I'm just confused and I just typed all of >>384717294.
I know Jenova isn't an Acnient, but I thought Sephiroth didn't. He knows he's made from Jenova from the start, when he reads the stuff in the mansion? I thought he at first thought it was his mother, then found out it was an alien somehow at some point.
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>>384718806
>He believes he's Jenova
Not this shit again
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>>384714897
I like how Cloud is actually a pretty chill guy and not the edgelord that they try to make him to be in every other media he appears in
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>>384714897
Why do people like this game so much if the translation was ass? What else does it offer?
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20 YEARS.
>Still daily discussion on what the fuck happened.
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>>384719359
Kek, good one.
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>>384714897
Probably just the overall art direction.

It's aged incredibly well.
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>>384719364
The translation wasn't THAT bad, only confusing. If you have any doubts about what happened you can just look stuff up online and you'll be fine. It still kept the character and personality of the game intact.
But the retranslation is better anyways now.
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>>384718972
I made a mistake. He never figures out Jenova isn't an Ancient.

Sephiroth is the son of Hojo and Lucretia (who cucked Vincent). he was infused with Jenova's cells in some random ass experiement. Hojo thought Jenova was an ancient and wrote it down in his notes. These are the same notes Sephiroth reads, and mistakens Jenova as a Ancient.

The second problem with Hojo's theory is that he thought Ancients weren't part of the world, and associated it with Jenova who is a parasite.

So Hojo got everything wrong, and Sephiroth read bad science and convinced himself he was the chosen one from Jenova.
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>>384714897

>Thread for the best game of all times.
But it's not?

>What's your favorite thing about Final Fantasy VII?
The first half of Disk 1. Then the game fell apart after that. A remake is needed to fix it, but the remake we're gonna get is just going to keep all the same problems the original game had and add more convoluted story on top of it.

>>384715264

He was a tool of Hojo and Hojo's mentor. Hojo is the villain than Sephiroth just went crazy.
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>>384718972
Wasn't it along the lines of him thinking that Jenova was an Ancient, and because he was created from its cells/thought it was his mother/thought it was an alien that he was somehow destined to be a God himself? Like he learned that Jenova was a "calamity" that fell from the sky and was mistaken to be an Ancient - but didn't he also learn that the idea of Jenova was that it would find planets, take them over, then like ride them/use them to get to and infect other planets or someshit? So he basically got some God complex because Jenova was (in his mind) an Ancient. Or something?
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>>384719364
Nobody likes FF7, the game. They just like the faggot version of cloud they know from pop culture and say they're fans of the game because he's connected to it.
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inb4 that dindu starts posting the niggerified ffvii characters
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>>384719634
Fuck off retard.
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>>384714897
No spoilers, I want to play the remake and be surprised.
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>>384715264
>Can somebody give me a quick rundown on Sephiroth?

Hojo made him based on Jenova cells to make a super soldier, and when he got in proximity to her, she turned him.
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>>384719738
There's like 5 Clouds

one of them is a shota
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>>384719738
Then why are you here?
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>>384719785
dude >>384719738 is literally above you.
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>>384716454
Why do you like Red so much, Anon? Sure, I felt sorry for him after the truth about his past is revealed but I never really cared much about him, he seemed rather bland compared to the rest of the cast
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>>384715264
Let Genesis explain that to you.
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>>384719785
>she turned him
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>>384719813
>>384719820
Fuck off, I wanted to see how it graphically compares to the new one. I'm entitled to come into a thread and still not be spoiled, it's possible.
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>>384719854
This a FFVII thread, where we're gonna talk about FFVII. If you don't want spoilers fuck off and make a Remake thread.
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>>384719961
you are a tard
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>>384719916
delet this
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>>384719935
She turned him.
It's the classic FFVII scene where Jenova turns Sephiroth.
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>>384719961
>it's possible

In a thread literally about their favourite thing about the game? Do you really think any big plot twists/reveals/segments in the game won't be discussed her? Seriously?
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>>384719982
See >>384719961
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>>384720114
you're being real fucking cancerous right now
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>>384720090
Ohh geeze, it's not like you can't discuss game mechanics as the favorite aspect of your game. You know, the actual GAME part being a favorite part?
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>>384720114
You just want someone to say IT don't you?
Y'all know what I mean.
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>>384719738
Aerith summons Holy and it kills all of humanity.
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>>384715264
Sephiroth doesn't do shit in the game. Jenova does.

Jenova killed Aerith.
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I like how every building had a toilet in it.

Seriously though, my favorite thing was how "lived in" the setting felt. Small details like the toilets helped.
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I whish the whole game looked like Midgard.
It was really disappointing when it suddenly dropped the dystopian futuristic approach and became like other every fantasy RPG ever
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>>384720085
I'm sorry, but what? Jenova did literally nothing in that tube. Sephiroth saw her name above the door, thought "Huh, that name is familiar, I'm gonna go read about it" and then went mental because he thought he was descended from an Ancient.

>>384720202
Well, yes, people CAN discuss the mechanics, but why do you assume people in this thread won't talk about, oh, I don't know, the plot? Which is normally the major aspect of a story-driven RPG.
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>getting out of Midgar the first time
>HOLY FUCK
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>>384720218
I DO I DO
AERITH
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>>384720284
>sometimes they're occupied and because of the top down view you can see them taking a dump
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>>384719496
>retranslation

?

If you're referring to the qhimm project, it's not a proper retranslation, as it has nothing to do with the Japanese script. It reads like an edit of the English script instead. Absolutely nothing is consistent.

Square's own translation is fairly accurate aside from a few awkward lines of Engrish.
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>>384720363
I'm joking because the sentence "She turned him" makes no sense.
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>>384720417
>AERITH
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>>384720512
Oh, I thought you were the retard that said it.
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>>384720323

I can see why they did it because the pitfalls of industrialization was one of the key themes, thus having rural areas to visit so the player can see the juxtaposition between the two was important. Nonetheless I agree.
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>no fucking spoilers!
>on a 20 year old game.

jesus christ.
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>>384720237
No. Sephiroth is controlling the clones he makes with Jenova cells while he's frozen, to go and unfreeze him. Meanwhile, he does stuff like kill Aerith because she could've ruined his plans.
>>384720556
Yeah, and I call Terra "Tina" and Sabin "Mash" in FFVI, what you gonna do about it bad boy?
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I never liked RPGs in general but I really liked this game.

I think because of how rapid fire the story was, and you really didn't need to grind unless you wanted to max out material for a particular build or something (aint got time fo dat shit).

Is this the original Sony movie game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9pF9BJQBLo
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>>384720768
I mean, technically isn't the anon right? Jenova does kill Aerith, because as soon as she dies you see the image of Sephiroth vanish, replaced by Jenova - and the infamous puppet line - and then the bossfight. So, yeah, Jenova killed Aerith, technically
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>>384714897

My favorite is the talk around the Mako Fountain in the flashback. It's a scene that connects VII to the rest of the series in introducing the mystical half to the game. It's also beautiful and concerns interesting topics and characterizations.

>>384715787

You really shouldn't. All the others besides Before Crisis are terrible and screw things up royally. Before Crisis does make about three atrocious mistakes, the second most glaring of which, the reactor scene, that it shares with Last Order, was retconned as a mistaken report, so you can ignore it at least, but overall it treats VII with respect and actually answers questions the original raised instead of conjuring its own problems and questions to answer. It's the only one I could consider mildly good in the Compilation. Falls clearly short of VII naturally.

Still beyond that Dirge of Cerberus goes after new lore and doesn't revolve around Sephiroth and Jenova cells at least unlike the rest, which aren't worth your time or anger.

>>384718065

He was already dead at that point. Becoming a god would be a major step up.
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>>384720953
Yes, but it was Sephiroth controlling that Sephiroth body with his Sephiroth mind made through Jenova cells doing Jenova's bidding. So what kills Aerith is 75% Sephiroth and 25% Jenova.
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>>384720953
>and the infamous puppet line
Is started by Sephiroth then when he flies away and the piece of Jenova drops down to finish his sentence because he controls all the fucking jenova cells

In Advent Children when Cloud recalls the line he hears Sephiroth, as it was Sephiroth saying it through the Jenova Cells making it take on his voice.
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>>384720768
You call Bartz, Butz? How embarrassing.
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>>384719875

Honestly a large chunk of it is his design.
It's a bit shallow, but I'd say it's fairly justified in JRPgs. Also really like his backstory, I relate a bit to it, as I too "discovered" my dad later on in life, after having grown up mostly with my mother. It sounds a bit cheesy, but yeah.

And that theme. Only wish his final Limit was better, but the game was always broken when it came to the late game.
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>>384721258
I get that he was controlling the clone, but I still feel it was more Jenova than Sephiroth. Thinking about it there was only one clone present during Aerith's death - Cloud. I don't actually think another Sephiroth clone was there - at least, not at the moments when you have a bossfight with Jenova. I feel like they are more projections or something, like Jenova using Sephiroth's image.

>>384721562
>is stated by Sephiroth

No it's not. Jenova says it. That's why people get so pissed about that line - because it's literally the only thing in the entire game that Jenova says.
>inb4 tiny image, it's the only one I could find
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>>384721595
No, I call him バッツ.
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>>384721810
I said started, not stated you misquoting faggot. Sephiroth starts the sentence then Jenova finishes it.
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Recently replayed FFVII. The story and characters were never that memorable to me even back when I first played it in the PS1 era. And not much changed in this replay of the game. Except I liked Tifa a lot more. I actually enjoyed her personality and role in the story more than her tits. She felt like an updated version of Rosa from FFIV.
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>>384721258
>>384721562
From the Wiki (yes I know wikis aren't always accurate but still):

"Enraged, Cloud turns on Sephiroth, who turns out to be another disguised part of Jenova. Cloud and his allies fight Jenova∙LIFE, and after Jenova is dispatched..." I dunno man, it just seems to me that technically Jenova killed her.
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>>384721935
Huh, so you did. My bad
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>>384714897
The broken-as-fuck Materia system.

>Master a shitload of different materias
>Link them all together so you can cast 4x of a spell that is boosted, drains HP and MP, hits all opponents and does a Steal attempt.
>Start each fight with Knights of the Round that absorbs HP, MP, and does 130K damage
>Start fight with an instant-death attack to all enemies while their back is turned

Near the end of the game you can keep the steady balanced pace you've had throughout the entire game or you go off the beaten track for a few hours and come back as a god with weapons of mass destruction at your fingertips. Shit's fucking fun.
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>>384721957
Yes it was a part of Jenova disguised in Sephiroth's body, which was under his control as he killed Aerith.
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>>384721957
If you still struggle to grasp how it works 20 years later then you never will.
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>>384722063
>grind like a crazy motherfucker
>ITS TOO EASY
Do you people understand difficulty?
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>>384714897
>What's your favorite thing about Final Fantasy VII?
It ended.
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>>384722358
He's specifically saying that grinding like a crazy motherfucker to make things become too easy is fun, you tard.
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>>384722063

>equip the steal materia the minute you get it in Midgar
>play through the whole game with it always equipped
>beat the game and it still hasn't been mastered
Materia is actually a really poor system. Since you're not gonna master anything except the basic elementslike Ice and Lightning, since you get them within the first hour of the game. Everything else will require you to stop and grind.

The Rune system in Suikoden is much better since runes unlock new skills based on your character level, not grinding AP points.
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>>384722682
poorly balanced
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>>384722682
I meant balanced in the way that "you don't have access to WMDs that can bukkake a secret boss through regular play". I agree with you on Suikoden. Also FF9 's skill system is also really fun and actually balanced.
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>>384722063

>Link 4x cast with Kotr
>Cast Mimic with next character
>Watch vids on Youtube while game plays itself for 20 minutes

I dunno, it just feels good doing it. So silly.
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The fact that it blended Cyberpunk with fantasy

The most promising thing about the remake is being able to explore Midgar in detail
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>>384722874
I know that feel. Remind me cause I haven't played 7 in donkey's years. Mimic costs no MP right?
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>>384719854
>dude >>384719738 is literally above you.

Why in the HELL would you enter a FF7 thread if you want to avoid spoilers for a game that won't be out for years?
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>>384718180
>Vincent, back to the cuck coffin
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>>384714897
I like FFVII's chibi character models.
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>>384719359
I really don't get it when people call cloud edgy. The only thing edgy about him is that his hair was drawn that way to pander to edgy kids, and that he has memory problems (even though its from severe radiation poisoning).
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>>384724478
Blame Advent Children and Nomura's laziness.

Or you could blame the true culprit, the fans.
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>>384722960
>Mimic costs no MP right?
Correct.
You can even mimic your own (but not other character's) limit breaks. Allowing cloud or vincent to omni slash ->mimic ->mimic -> mimic for more damage, faster than even KotR
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>>384724365
I don't like how there are some versions which adds an opened mouth to a lot of models.
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>>384724478
Its people who never actually played FF7 and only know Cloud from the movie and Kingom Hearts
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>>384722063
>Start each fight with Knights of the Round
>take 500 hours to finish the game
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>>384720323
The first couple of hours of FF7 was literally the best cyberpunk setting ever. The game after that was still good but yeah it felt a lot more generic after that.
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>>384714897
I love that Sephiroth feels like a fucking horror villain. His theme is wonderfully creepy and there's a great sense of dread surrounding him and Jenova.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMym4dzWwzY

Are there any other RPGs that have such frightening antagonists? Because
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>FF7 had my favorite story in gaming
>do some digging on the game
>find out that almost everything good about the game was taken from the original script of xenogears
>mystique is gone

I regret everything
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>>384724801
Because that shit was cool, I meant to say.
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>>384724919
That's not true
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>>384724801
If Kefka was like The Joker and later Emperor Joker, then Sephiroth was like Freddy Krueger, a nightmare that always haunts the heroes even when he's not there.
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>>384720323
I liked going through the FF7 world, you basically go on a tour of all the places Shinra fucked over
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>>384717294
Sort of, you're forgetting how a huge part of Sephiroth's animosity towards Cloud was due to him being "killed" by him, so he literally wanted to ruin Cloud's life and make him fucking miserable. That's why he tried to have him kill Aeris and when he didn't, he immediately took her out himself (well, sorta).
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>>384724478
He's really the opposite, actually more of a goofy character, like when he says let's mosey.
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>>384724617

It's been nine years, since I last played it, but I swear the mouths were actually animated in the original Eidos PC version and weren't just agape all the time, if it makes you feel better.
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>>384725012
look at how many story instances FF7 and Xenogears share, you know it to be the truth
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>>384720323
What the fuck are you talking about, you visit several places fucked by Shinra, like the junk town.
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I beat this game about a month ago and I'm pretty sure this is the only game I've ever played that was hyped up so much that actually lived up to it's hype, and even ends up being better than I'd heard it was. Too many times I've played a game that's been labelled "the greatest of all time" but it falls short of my expectations.
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>>384725063
Well, I guess this explains Seph's one-liners in Advent Children.
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>>384724478

Cloud used to be cool man.

Even when he knew his mind was fucked, he never quit, and wasnt too proud to ask his friends to take him out if he couldn't fight off Sephiroths influence.
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>>384725497
>I've thought of a wonderful present for you.
>Shall I give you despair?

Haha, what a jokester
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>>384725641
Hey now, they weren't intentionally funny
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>>384715264
>have no parents
>have no hometown
>Shinra probably fed you a load of vague bullshit your whole life just to keep you obedient and useful
>grow up leagues ahead of everyone in your field
>feel totally isolated and empty inside
>suddenly find out you were produced in a lab part of some fucked up experiment
>disgusted and liberated by this revelation, you decide to go all in and embrace you heritage and as a big fuck you to everyone decide to destroy the planet and eat its lifeforce, practically turning you into a god
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>>384725641
>on your knees, if you want forgiveness you'll have to beg for it
>*unzips dick*
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By the way, if nobody has watched it yet, there's an incredibly well-done speedrun of FFVII that happened this year at SGDQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgb-Jrk5tQ
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http://gematsu.com/2017/07/kingdom-hearts-iii-less-disney-worlds-kingdom-hearts-ii-final-fantasy-vii-remake-along-areas
>“Although there are parts [of Final Fantasy VII Remake] further along than Kingdom Hearts III, such as cutscenes, it is unlikely we’ll share information for a while as we switch from mainly external to mainly internal development.”
Why do people act like this is the worst news we've ever gotten? So many of you were saying they were restarting development and now we hear they're closer to done than even I honestly expected!

Kingdom Hearts III is coming out next year and has been in development longer so it's expected that FF7R wouldn't be as developed in any field. So for Nomura to come out and say that there's any part of FF7R further along than KH3 and that part to be the cutscenes which is arguably the part the takes the longest time to make, makes this news all the more significant.

There's also the last bit of news we got when they announced the shift to internal development and they used the reasons of wanting to control quality and "mass production" in the future. So many people misunderstood this to mean that they "hadn't even started developing the game yet" but do you know where else Square Enix has recently used this term? When they announced that Dragon Quest XI had gone gold and entered "mass production". This makes it sound like they're soon to be moving forward into polishing FF7R and preparing for it's eventual launch.
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>>384726590
Who is the qt on the left?
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>>384714897
This game will always have a special place in my faggoty heart. My parents got divorced, we moved across state and I had no friends. It's hard to compare how monumental it still feels to me now all these years later
>the dyne arc
>nibelheim 5 years later
>raiding shinra hq
>the fireworks on the ferris wheel
>cids flashback
and the GOAT soundtrack. Thread theme:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLCYSEgTKs_h-EI-9p5pqeK_4XzCm-u_ws&v=N3tVmG5eNCk
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>>384714897
Play a real FF like IV, VI or IX faggot
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According to gematsu, Cloud in Dissidia NT is post AC so I'm mildly hyped to see him confident and ready to kick ass. I mean look at his expression here compared to how he was portrayed prior to this.
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>>384727005
I can't I'm too busy playing the best one.
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>>384727005
>not listing FFI or FFV
lol get a load of this faggot
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>>384727031
The old Dissidia games just copy pasted his FF7 character arc so it's nice to see some later progression
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>>384727127
I mean, to be fair they basically had every character just go through their basic arcs again.

Still, this is good. I want to see Cloud doing some mad squats.
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>>384727096
>think 1 isn't arciac trash
>likes the meme FF game
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>>384727206
Dawn of Souls version is great you immense pleb.
>FFV is a meme game
Kill yourself
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>>384726948
My fucking nigga. How can any other game compete
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>>384727096
Yeah FFI is gre-
>>384727289
>Dawn of Souls baby version
O-oh.
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>>384727627
I mean, I enjoy both, but DoS doesn't feel archaic at all.
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>>384726948
>and the GOAT soundtrack.

This is truth. It isn't even my favorite game but it definitely has the best soundtrack in all of gaming.
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>>384725641
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>FFVII has the best OST of all time
You guys have either only played a handful of games in your life or are nostalgiafagging hard. Its not even the best OST in Final Fantasy.
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>>384728060
I mean, I think VIII had the stronger OST but VII has an amazing soundtrack, don't be a contrarian.
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>>384714897
I love how fucking stupid and messy it is. The half-baked minigames at tonally inappropriate moments in the story, the fucked up localization, fucking Hojo sitting in Costa de Sol or no reason, the Turks turning into the Three Stooges after Midgar, dating Barret, and Cloud in a wheelchair of course.

Playing this game for the first time is like having a totally incoherent fever dream, and the game has so much more charm and notability for it. It's why I'm sure the remake is gonna be bad, the original is way too fucking stupid for a prestigious company like Square-Enix to want to recreate it faithfully.
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>>384728060
>Its not even the best OST in Final Fantasy.

Correct that would be FFVI.
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>>384728169
>Cloud in a wheelchair of course.
What in the world was that screeching sound? Was that him breathing? It may have been the most disturbing parts in the game for me
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>>384728060
who are you quoting?

and yeah FF7 actually has the weakest OST of the PS1 titles
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>>384728169
I like that the Turks go from hardcore to goofy, culminating in you having the choice of murdering them.
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>>384728531
epic
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>>384728531
Hm.
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>>384728169
The artstyle is why the game could have whimsical moments despite the story being pretty dark and fucked up. The chibi characters stopped the whole thing from becoming to grim and edgy, the remake can't be the same thing at all. It will be a humourless edgefest and any attempts at light moments will probably fall flat.
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How was one supposed to know to get the batteries from this guy?

I got stuck there and didn't pick up the game again until a year later.
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>>384728169
You are absolutely correct here. It is impossible to fully recreate a game of this scope. Especially taking into account the values and times of today. Even if Squeenix decided to say fuck anybodies feelings we will go all out on the edginess it is not like they will even be able to recreate this shit anyways. It was too much a product of its time. Anyone who wasn't there is going to have to suck it up and play the old game or just not get it. Which to me it seems to be the majority of the fanbase these days.

This seems to be one of few games that might very well have more fans that didn't play the game than fans that have.
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>>384720363
>I'm sorry, but what? Jenova did literally nothing in that tube. Sephiroth saw her name above the door, thought "Huh, that name is familiar, I'm gonna go read about it" and then went mental because he thought he was descended from an Ancient.

Don't you think it's a wee bit strange that Seph's ultimate goal is exactly the same as Jenova's? He was under Jenova's influence.
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>>384728118

VII is a good OST. I'm just pointing out that it isn't the best in all of gaming.

>>384728279

Agreed. Or XIII
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>>384721810
>I get that he was controlling the clone, but I still feel it was more Jenova than Sephiroth. Thinking about it there was only one clone present during Aerith's death - Cloud. I don't actually think another Sephiroth clone was there - at least, not at the moments when you have a bossfight with Jenova. I feel like they are more projections or something, like Jenova using Sephiroth's image.

Jenova breaks out of the containment unit at the Shinra building, takes Seph's form, and travels to the Norther creator. The being you chase for most of the game is Jenova. The Real Sephiroth is in Stasis in the Northern Creator.
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>>384728902
This is why I'm glad the remake is going to be doing things differently, like the battle system. Just trying to do a 1:1 remake would fail horribly, because FFVII is a product of its time.
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>>384728287
I kind of assumed that it was meant to be the sound of his wheelchair but they fucked up and didn't sync it to the animation.
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>>384728816
Pretty sure you are told to talk to that guy for info on climbing up because he scavenges around that area or some shit.
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>>384728926
Doesn't entirely work that way. Hojo makes it clear that Jenova has submitted to Sephiroth's will. Sephiroth just hijacked all of Jenova's abilities but really he's just doing all of this to spite humans.
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Why is the party so damn strong? Okay, so Cloud is some super soldier reject party who has some Jenova Cells and some Mako training? He's a weakshit at first, but he has potential. Gotcha.

But why is Tifa, Cid, and the others curb stomping everyone?
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>>384728902
I wonder if Square is seriously going to have Cloud beating the snot out of Aeris in full HD?
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>>384729250
Materia, son.
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>>384729117
>FFVII is a product of its time

There were action RPGs for the PS1. Some of them even predate FF7, and had interconnected, fully 3D environments with no loading times.
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>>384729250
Ludonarrative dissonance. I guess the idea is that they've racked up so many Materia canonically that they can fight things way bigger than them.
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>>384722682

There's x2-4 weapons out there, you should use them. They REALLY make it faster to master materia.
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>>384729380
FFVII isn't an action game.
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>>384729117
FFVII was turn based because Gooch wasn't confident he could make anything else
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>>384721810
Hojo talks about this at the Northern Crater. They kept Jenova's body inside the Shinra Tower hoping that the reunion would take place there. But that didn't happen. Instead Jenova broke out and made her way north towards Sephiroth's body. He uses this to prove that Sephiroth is the one in control not Jenova.
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>>384724919

Parasite Eve, FF7, Chrono Trigger, and Xenogears share development.

>One idea for FF7 was a detective in New York City
>idea turned into Parasite eve
>Chrono Trigger has the story of an ancient planet devorerer who came from space
>Xenogears parallels
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What is your favorite party?
I always end up using Barret and Tiffa only.
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>>384729564
Gooch wasn't the director
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>>384729697
I like to change it up every so often
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>>384729697
Tifa always goes with me. Always. My first team that I always remember also had Red XIII.
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>>384729697
Same. In any RPG with swappable party members, I ususally just stick with the initial party throughout the whole game.
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>>384729757
he worked on the battle system
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>>384729117
>>384729310
I should have mentioned it in the post but guy I replied to pretty much said it well. The game is full of emotion. It is dark and grim edginess and humorous all at the same time. Yet it just managed to work. Clearly it did since so many have a fondness for the game. I already know this remake isn't 100% faithful but the question is how faithful is it going to end up being. I want to know just how much they are going to have to leave out from the original game.
>>384729380
You need to understand what FFVII was like. It isn't the same as recreating a more simplistic action RPG. This isn't like recreating Resident Evil 1 into REmake. FFVII has so much going on with it. To compare it to something else like you have is absolutely laughable. Just use your head dude. If you have played FFVII you would understand where we are coming from.
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>>384729697
Barret obv. because of Ungarmax. Third position usually Cid.
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>>384729697
Pretty much this. They feel like the canon trio, Big Sword Man, Big Gun Man, Big ____ Woman.
Also Yuffie, your fly's undone
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>>384728169
>fucking Hojo sitting in Costa de Sol or no reason, the Turks turning into the Three Stooges after Midgar, dating Barret,

FF7 knows how and when to do humor. It's a dour gloomy story, but also full of genuine silly moments.
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>that one friend who renamed all the characters
>mfw he called Cloud "Shadow" and Barret "Mr. Muscles"
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>>384729960

>not naming every character the same name as the antagonist
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>>384729858
The weird thing about VII is how it shifts and tone and yet it doesn't feel jarring. Like you enter Corel and you find out Barrett is a social pariah and this entire game he's been running away from his personal history. And then you go up the plate and try to play some games at Gold saucer. And then it's off to prison where Barrett has to face his past once and for all. And then it's back to fun and games again. There's a lot of highs and lows. Like the Temple of the Ancients is the most tense part in the entire game second only to Aeris dying and it comes right after a second trip to Gold Saucer. The game lift you up and then drops you on the floor and then begins to lift you up again. It sounds terrible when you put it into words but it feels good when you're actually playing the game. Not to mention the attention to detail. Like how you wonder how Cloud was able to sneak up on Sephiroth and stab him and then you remember that he was equipped with the pre-emptive materia that allows him to sneak up on enemies. Or how Rude mentions he has a crush on Tifa and in battle he absolutely refuses to attack her. VII might not be the best game ever made but it's a damn good product.
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>>384729697
I just realized that ive never used Cid, Yuffie or Vincent.
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>>384729379

Materia is cheap. They literally sell it in stores in the slums. Why is the party special?
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>>384729697
Cloud, Cid, and my wife Yuffie. Sometimes changing Cid for Vincent.
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>>384730391
You think the stuff in stores holds a candle to the stuff you can find in the world. What's a standard fire materia to Comet2?
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>>384729250
battle mechanics are separate from the narrative and aren't canon
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>>384730234

>Like how you wonder how Cloud was able to sneak up on Sephiroth and stab him and then you remember that he was equipped with the pre-emptive materia that allows him to sneak up on enemies.

how did i never think of that?
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>>384730234
>>384729923
Can the remake replicate this, improve it, or will they fuck it up?
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>>384730672
Then, in-canon, how does the party beat super giant robots or hell, Sephiroth after he becomes a god?
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>>384729960
>that one friend who always gave the main characters his own name
>always calls Cloud by his own name when discussing the game
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>>384730391
Materia gets stronger as it's used in battle, people in the slums aren't fighting monsters constantly like the party is.
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>>384730871
By being a team and believing in themselfs
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>>384730903
>Brother named all the party members after family members
>Aeris was named after Mom
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>>384730672
>battle mechanics are separate from the narrative and aren't canon

The narrative has them curb stomping everything Shinra throws at them, from soldiers to giant robots.

>>384730758

Modern Square is bland and lifeless. They won't.
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>>384715382
The only mod worth trying is New Threat because it actually adds content and changes the game in a positive way. Still waiting for the 1.5 update though. The high resolution background project never got finished and I would have loved that one. Such a tease to have that handful of background art in high resolution and the rest of the game being a blur.
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>>384731112
>love interest named after mom
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>>384730758
It depends on how serious it takes itself. If it takes itself 100% seriously than the Remake is going to be terrible. Because then you have to completely change things like how Cloud was able to get into Don corneo stronghold. If it decides to be goofy then it depends. It's already gimped because it doesn't use cartoony models so the silliness will look very out of place and you wonder where Cloud pulled a snowboard from to get to the northern crater. I guess the end result is square has to be very careful with how they play this out. It's a careful balance.
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>>384724779

>Press L3 on PS4 controller
>2 minute animation cut down to about 40 seconds.


The animations are cool the first few times around, but they really shouldve had shortened versions or a skip button.
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>>384731115
It also has Tifa resorting to a bitchslapping contest on the Junon Cannon despite being able to suplex 1000 ton monsters in battles
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>>384731208
>>384731112

Cloud never says he's in love with Aeris. There's none of that UNDYING LOVE TWO LOVERS WHO LOVE EACH OTHER UNDYINGLY nonsense you get in FF8.

She is a flirty bitch, she reminds him of Zack, they go on a not serious date. It wasn't a serious romance and they were never dating. Cloud and Tifa seemed way closer.

btw how did she end up dating Zack?
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>tfw no real life motorcycle that looks like the one used to escape Shinra HQ
I want one. I've wanted one since I played this game when it came out
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>>384731448
I think he just kind of stumbled into her and his anime main character charm did the rest
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>>384729887
This

Sometimes swap Barret for Tifa, but never Yuffie. I still haven't forgiven that cunt for stealing my materia.
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>>384715353
I chuckled
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>>384731627
Yuffie is actually the character capable of doing the most damage in a single turn.
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>>384717107
Advent Children is a fun movie to just sorta watch. Just don't go in expecting to be like...amazing or even like great. I liked it, but I love FF7.
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>>384731448
According to Crisis Core she met Zack while he was on assignment in the slums. She says she hates people in Soldier and that they are scary but she likes Zack's personality and they dated for a while. It wasn't overly serious because Zack never stuck around for too long and she was forced to write letters to him whenever he was on mission. After the Nibelheim incident she lost hope and stopped writing.
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>>384731654
Kinda pointless when you can endlessly mimic KotR though.
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>>384717107
Crisis Core is decent if you're able to ignore Genesis. You won't be able to ignore Genesis.
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>>384731736
>According to Crisis Core
Disregarded
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Seriously though, its weird that v talks about FF7 as i come close to wrapping it up. Are you people spying on me?
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>>384731824
Fair enough. In game the only explanation of their relationship we get is that they dated off and on and that's it.
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>>384731921
N-No
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>>384731775

you need several copies of KotR or Master Summon to do that.

give Yuffie the Conformer and she's pumping out 9999 morphs the very next battle
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>>384731802
What's almost as bad as Gackt showing up to read you poetry every other area is how desolate the game world feels. Everything is empty and there are no people. It doesn't feel like a world.
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>>384729960
>not giving the characters your classmates' names
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>>384729697
I honestly don't know. Both because it was always a difficult decision that I would often change, and because it has been such a long time it is hard to remember now.

Vincent probably spent the most hours in my party second to Cloud himself. I used him for hands free grinding, because his limits restore his health, preventing a game over if I'm away from the controller.

Barret and Tifa both get a lot of use from taking the first spots in my party and being the ones I got used to first. I feel like I default to Barret more though. Maybe it's because Tifa had boobs too large.

I tend to want to use Nanaki because I like him as a character, but I don't know that he's that useful, so I think he gets swapped out a lot.

Yuffie would be a given even just off of sex appeal alone, but when I first played I didn't know how to get her so of course I didn't start using her until much later.

Cid unfortunately appears too late in the game. By the time you get him, you've probably already gotten very comfortable with the characters you've been working on, and don't have much room left for another.

I basically never used Cait Sith. He was a dumb goofy traitor that had no worthwhile qualities to my 13 year old self.

So favorite, non-Cloud, party members for the characters themselves would probably be Yuffie and Nanaki, but for convenience and gameplay would be Barret and maybe Yuffie or Vincent.
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>>384731921
It's not like we l-like you or anything, baka
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>>384731921
I just started a new playthrough on my cellphone. I'm a little surprised at the characterization. For Final Fantasy game these characters are not presented as heroic. At least up to the part where you leave Shinra. Cloud is an aloof dick. Barrett is kind of a shithead that blames all his problems on Shinra regardless of whether Shinra has anything to do with it or not. And Tifa is kind of harsh with Barrett and just sort of there with Cloud. Somehow I remember them being more heroic in my memories
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>>384731775
Just seeing this abbreviation makes me miffed that we didn't get them as a proper summon in XV
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>>384732071
You what m8

One KotR and 2 mimic materia and you're golden.
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Maybe I'm just crazy, but what is it about FF7 threads that feel like old /v/? They're always some of the best threads we have.
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>>384732201
A lot of people like VII because it didn't have the generic JRPG character roster, or at the very least took a new spin on character archetypes often found in story telling.
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>>384732120
Also they seriously have to strain out of reason why Angeal and Genesis are as strong as Sephiroth yet we're never seen in the main game.

>No you see what happened is that Angeal and Genesis are Jenova clones too! Except Genesis can only give his cells to other people and turn them into clones of himself but that means he'll break down. But Angeal can both give and receive cells from people so his a better clone. But like Sephiroth is the super best clone! So Angeal has to follow Sephiroth around begging Sephiroth for his radioactive jizz. All the while giving everyone he meets Genesis AIDS and turning them into Genesis clones.

What the hell man? No one mentioned any of this in the only couple years since Nibelheim?
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>>384732606

It's an old game, and I think we all like it. There's obnoxious trolling and console shit flinging and political nonsense in other threads.
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I love how the first reply to the thread is "Tifa's honkers".
Every time.
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>>384728816
You're told about it.

Also, even if you did skip it, you should have done the standard RPG thing and go back and talk to everyone in the last area.

Sounds like you didn't have enough patience that first time.
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Midar, I always drop the game after. Fuck open world. Linear for life.
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>>384732865
>I love how the first reply to the thread is "Tifa's honkers".

Tifa is actually a great, very well rounded character. I really feel sympathy for her plight, and her attempts to save Cloud. Her titties are ridiculous and just kind of a bonus.
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>>384732621
They also play with some common tropes. Like Eris is dressed very conservatively and she's the last Maiden of a forgotten race and a white mage. But she's fun and kind of a flirt and gets Cloud into trouble more often than not. Conversely Tifa is sex on legs and a monk. Yet her personality is very reserved and shy and by and large she just wants to reconnect with Cloud. You'd think it will be the opposite considering their archetypes.
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>>384733187
>Like Eris is dressed very conservatively and she's the last Maiden of a forgotten race and a white mage. But she's fun and kind of a flirt and gets Cloud into trouble more often than not. Conversely Tifa is sex on legs and a monk. Yet her personality is very reserved and shy and by and large she just wants to reconnect with Cloud.

And the fandom typically has their personalities reversed. Tifa is a slut, and Aeris is the pure girl.
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>>384733297
Making Tifa a lesbian rapist is great for doujins though.
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>>384733187
Well it is the opposite as far as the general fanbase is concerned.
I swear /v/ is the only place that 'gets' the game the same way I do. Everywhere else is spin-off and Zack land.
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>>384733406
Probably because the people here actually played it. And by played it I mean actual 7, not played Kingdom Hearts and then read The cliff notes on Google or watched a summary on YouTube
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>>384733393
>Making Tifa a lesbian rapist is great for doujins though.

That's a good laugh. I never got a sexual vibe from the FF7 cast, so I never fantasize about fucking them.

I've looked up all the street fighter girls, since they ooze sex in subtle ways.
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>>384733763
I don't know. I'm pretty sure Scarlett and Heidegger were fucking on the side.
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>start playing game
>/v/ has a thread about it
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>>384725063
I've always pictured Sephiroth as more like Bates DESU.
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>>384733932

We have multiple daily FFVII threads. It's not a coincidence. Now if you started randomly playing a game like Suikoden IV and saw a thread about it, that would be freaky.
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>>384729960
What is the story on this gif?
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https://youtu.be/xI9mCrG-M1g
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>>384733943
Sephy is Jason.
>muh mom
>muh autism, no one gets me
>muh invincibility
>muh promissed land (the lake)
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>>384717294
How do the Kingdom Hearts appearances fit into this rich lore?
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>>384734724
Sephiroth never cared if anyone understood him. He was just wondering whether or not he was a monster. And when he found out what he was he decided he quite enjoyed being a monster.
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>>384734768
like a lego on your feet
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>>384734768
They don't.
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>>384734768
First class soldiers could choose whatever they want to wear. Everyone lower than them had to wear standard uniforms
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>>384734768
The power of Edge can break space and time
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>>384734768
KH isn't canon to FFVII

KH is canon to Toy Story
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>>384715070

there is way better soundtracks tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eybMjbQDXoQ
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>>384735212
So FFVII and Toy Story happen in the same universe... wow...
KH is so fucking stupid I can barely fully wrap my mind around it.
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>>384714897
My favourite things are how existential its story is, Cloud going through several break downs where he tries to figure out who he actually is was great, and the relationship between Cloud and Tifa and how much they just genuinely come to love each other. My least favourite thing is the fucking Golden Saucer.

>>384730250
Those 3 and Cait Sith the most irrelevant characters. Cid doesn't have anything to do with Sephitoth, Shinra or the Ancients, Yuffie and Vincent can never get too involved in the plot since it's possible not to recruit them, Caith Sith is Cait Sith.
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>>384729697
Tifa and Aerith for 1st disk, Tifa and Cid for 2nd disk, Yuffie and Cid for 3rd disk.
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>>384735825
>Cid doesn't have anything to do with Shinra
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>>384735825
>Cid doesn't have anything to with Shin-Ra
Shin-Ra ruined his life.
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>>384735825
It gets better when you play it again and realize Cloud is constantly correcting himself when he talks to people
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Should I play the Steam version or emulate on PSone?
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>>384736245
Doesn't really make a difference. Initially the Steam version was shit because they decided to only include Midi music but it's been patched since then and is essentially the same experience as PS1.
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>>384735825
>My least favourite thing is the fucking Golden Saucer.
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>>384736245
Steam version has cleaner, brighter graphics which I think look horrible and remove the appeal f the PS1 aesthetic, but you can get a mod to change them back.
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>>384735825
>My least favourite thing is the fucking Golden Saucer.
this is not right
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>>384736540
you just tick a box to change it back
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>>384736571
geez that arm

really drives home how early in development the gameplay we saw was
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>>384736245
Steam version has models with constantly open mouths like >>384724617 said. If you are like me and love the original chibis but realize adding mouths make them look retarded then you'll have to mod it I guess.
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>>384736643
I think the new Dissidia is the perfect model for Cloud. Just buff enough to not look anorexic but not a hulk either.
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>>384736572
Nope, that box makes the Steam version's graphics look worse, especially backgrounds, but it's not the same as the PSX version. The models still look cleaner than the original, and the backgrounds some fucking how look worse.
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>>384730234
>>384730758
It can't be replicated. When I read this anons post here it makes me realize some things on why it worked.

1. There is no voice acting.
2. You are listening to the amazing soundtrack play.
3. The character models are chibi, more cartoony.

Take what that anon said and try to apply that to what the remake would be like. Where instead of reading what the characters say in those moments you will be listening to them. Where instead of seeing goofy funny looking character models you are going to be seeing pseudo realistic CGI character models. Even if they use the same music, would it be appropriate if they are talking over it?

FFVII again, truly was a product of its time. It isn't going to be replicated no matter how much fanboys want to believe the remake can do it. The remake will give people some different emotions playing it but it is stupid to expect the same exact feelings that FFVII original gave through out the game.

It might not be all bad necessarily though. REmake and RE1 is a good example of an original game and the remake that are both still good even if they both have many differences. REmake voice acting isn't funny while RE1's is perhaps the funniest voice acting in gaming history. Same game, will give different feels. So expect the same for FFVII and the remake.
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>>384718972
>>384719497
>>384719562
He thought Jenova was an ancient because Shinra thought she was. He learns what she was after he dies when he spends some time in the afterlife drinking ancient knowledge from the planet.

The party learns what Jenova is from Gast's recordings in Icicle Inn and later from Sephiroth who laughs at you for thinking Jenova is his mom.

Which the latter is why I fucking hate AC characterizing the black trio as momma's boys as a nod to the Sephiroth is a momma's boy meme. He was one for all of a week at Nibelheim.
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>>384736698
I think there is an option in the launcher to scale the graphics down to PS1 levels and get rid of the mouths.
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>>384736762
I think the current model will be fine on release. Remember how the early AC model looked like?
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>>384715264
He's was a hero of sorts from what I recall when I was little. When Cloud begins to tell his story he's introduced as extremely capable, cool and confident as a person. As the story goes on it takes a dark turn, with him realising he has no idea of sort of person he is. His entire personal history was a fabricated one, and in eventuality learns/believe he is some half human half Mako monster.
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>>384733763
Not even Yuffie?
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>>384730758
Given how Advent Children turned the franchise around, I'm take "fuck it up".
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When it ended.
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>>384714897
It was my first video game RPG, as in many people thought it was over as soon as we left MIdgar.
The Span of it first time going through was amazingly enormous. It will be burned into memory.
Characters were the best part, you had all of the archetypes represented. [Locales come second.
I guess it's so good, but it did leave me unsatisfied with everything else.
If FFVII could have big scope why couldn't everything else. I was just 9.
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>>384717294
Advent Children, where Sephiroth gets revived again, and then dominated by Cloud, again.
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>>384735471
>KH isn't canon to FFVII
>So FFVII and Toy Story happen in the same universe... wow...
No wonder you can't wrap your mind around it, you're a retard who can't read
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>>384733624
Yeah, I remember years ago back in highschool making friends with a "gamer" girl, getting excited when she said that FF7 was her favourite game, then just being fucking speechless when she followed that up by saying that she's never actually played it though.
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Hey guys let's stream Advent Children.
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>>384738306
Oh Anon, you don't have to play a game for it to be your favorite! Get with the times!
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>>384731448
>Tifa and Cloud seemed closer

That's the point, they seem like childhood friends but only talked to each other like twice until they were 20.
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>>384736453
>>384736571
The Golden Saucer could be fun if not for the game forcing you to stay there several times, everything in it costing GP that you have to grind clunky, annoying mini-games to get decent amounts of, and having to not only do those mini-games to get GP, but then use that GP to do another annoying mini-game many times over to get Cloud's level 4 limit break. By the end of all that, I hated it.
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>>384738514
That's one of a couple gripes I have with the game. I don't make 7 to be any more than what it is. When you start to look at it critically it starts to get weird. Like when you realize there's no real reason for Junon Cannon to exist. You can say that they built it for the war with Wutai but then I'll tell you that it's pointed the wrong way. Or how Hojo wanted to breed Aeris with a lion dog he found in the woods one day.
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>>384738770
Hojo did it "for science". That's enough of an explanation to me.
And they wanted a cannon just to be safe, you know?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X83p-gR7A5I
Just listen to this fucking thing. Listen to it. It's awfuuuul.
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>>384738770
>Like when you realize there's no real reason for Junon Cannon to exist. You can say that they built it for the war with Wutai but then I'll tell you that it's pointed the wrong way.

It's a defensive gun against ships for their naval base. They're not aiming it at Wutai themselves. It's pretty straight forward, you don't need to make it more complex. The Sister Ray was only able to fire all the way to the Northern Creator by supercharging it with Midgar's power.
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>>384714897
The polygons look great in 4k
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>>384739104
What the fuck is with the comments.
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>>384715664
Jonny's wife/girlfriend is in the shower
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>>384739203
Yeah but you know I'm has a whole array of artillery shells for that. You kind of wonder how they can turn the entire city into a weapon and then Scarlett turns around and says " you know what we're missing? A giant fuck off cannon."
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>>384739419
So why don't you go fuck her then?

Even stevens.
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>>384717709
A complete guide on materia, mad man grinded everything legit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW7W2bCbpz0
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Never played a FF before Except 13 and 13:2 Should I play 7 or has it not aged well?
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>>384714897
yuffie's open shorts.
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>>384739603
Swinging is just double cucking/cheating

Besides, Tifa wouldn't let a weak bitch like Johnny near her
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>>384739865
How do turn based games even age? You're just picking attacks from a menu or walking around on a field map
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>>384739865
Just play it nigger
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>>384738320
AC Complete or the old version?
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>>384740420
Complete I guess.
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>>384714897
Its my 3rd least favourite final fantasy, not that big a fan and thought sepiroth wasnt that cool compared to guys like exdeath, golbez and kefka
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>>384739939
She's like 14 anon
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>>384739983
I don't see why this precludes fucking Johnny's woman.
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>>384739648
Also some strange combinations of materia, only part that really matters is the last part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvBCjyJZWwY
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How will the remake fuck this up?
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>>384742435
It already fucked everything up by changing the combat
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>>384742435
Because it won't be 1:1 copy and it will destroy your childhood
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>>384742534
It will destroy future potential FF7 childhoods that's for sure.
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>>384741196
That's pretty old as far as JRPGs go. And it's 16. In fact she's the youngest party member, which again for a JRPG is very very standout.
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>>384715664
>>
>watch parts of the Games Done Quick FF7 run
>They got a bunch of materia that I either missed entirely or didn't know were useful
>weapons/armor have stat bonuses I didn't know about since they don't show it
>Give Tifa Gigas Armlet (strength +30), added cut + Deathblow, Powersoul, curse ring, and cast Death Sentence on her and let her go intro critical (attack x8)
>Tifa becomes a powerhouse dealing thousands of damage early in the game

I've played FF7 10+ times in 20 years btw, and didn't know this.
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>>384743793
The stat bonus were broken in the OG game
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>>384738179
tfw barely any r34 of him getting dommed by Cloud, but lots of the opposite. plus, the fact that they turn Cloud into an ultra fuccboi thanks to crossdressing is fucking bullshit

>>384741308
>>384739648
this guy's vids are pretty entertaining, even if he's a bit of a spaz
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>Research the Wiki
>tons of little details and scenes
>NEVER saw this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGLAGiVkY8I

>find out the end game weapons have seemingly random rules for doing damage
>remember when I was a kid and Barret's Missing Score weapon was suddenly doing little damage
>Turns out damage is determined y the AP of the materia he has
>Tifa's is based on her limit guage
>all random shit like that which they don't tell you.

This is like Symphony fo the Night, there's always something new to find.

btw, I only found the Ultima Sword on my first play through. Everyone else didnt'
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>>384744053
Was it nerfed on Steam?
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>>384715664
Were they an item in the past? I honestly don't remember that scene.
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>>384744740
They fixed the stat bonuses in the latest steam

>>384744493
His guides and overviews are pretty complete, and I think he does regular live streams breaking the game with the save editor, managed to kill sepheroth.
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>>384745028
Grew up together like cloud/tifa, people are just memeing the cuck thing
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>>384745137
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>>384742435
No Pluto
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>>384745249
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWblaXcEpeY
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>>384745137
AFAIK they still haven't and never will patch the MDef stat. In the original game it was referenced wrong in the code and literally doesn't affect anything as a consequence.
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>>384745137
>They fixed the stat bonuses in the latest steam

How so?

>>384745394

So Sprit and MDef do nothing in the game?
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>>384745028
Stupid mememing aside Johnny is like that best friend dude that got majorly friendzoned by Tifa and one of the sequel stories goes out of it's way to mention that he never man up and confessed his feelings because Cloud was always there and after the game started living with Tifa fulltime so he moved on and opened up a cafe, being inspired by Tifa who managed a bar.
I don't think that Tifa actually went and dated any dudes after the whole night meeting with Cloud at the town well, because it felt like she would messure dudes in that perceived image of Cloud that she had in her mind.
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>>384745607
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Defense_bug

The Magic Defense bug is a bug in Final Fantasy VII, which is similar to the Evade bug found in Final Fantasy VI. This bug prevents the Magic Defense stat of any armor equipped from being added to a character's Spirit stat, effectively making the Magic Defense of all armor worthless.

This was fixed in the 2012 PC re-release.
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>>384715264
Sephiroth was in control.
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>>384745764
They did fix it? Was it a patch? I thought I remembered the 2012 steam version still having a worthless MDef stat
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>>384718078
>>384716454
this
Cait Sith ass is my favorite thing in FF7
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>>384745231
Wasn't that a mistranslation and he calls Clould "childhood friend" because he's Tifa's childhood friend?
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>>384745960
I don't know, is that psychopath that was working on a full re-re-translation of FFVII from the ancient Japanese scrolls for over a decade finished yet?
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>>384745960
Is johnny the guy from the letter?

http://www.ff7citadel.com/secrets/s_tifa.shtml
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>>384746064
Yes. And in it Johnny seems to be just some dude from Sector 7 with a crush on Tifa.
Pathethic crush actually because the thing that makes him leave is because Cloud showed up.
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>>384746278
>ff7citadel
Holy shit that site still exists and it hasn't changed its Web 1.0 format one bit
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>>384714897
which lego game is this?
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>>384746278
That's the implication from the old translation. But it could also just have been one of Tifa's posse from Nibelheim. She mention that all the boys were leaving the town when Cloud announced that he would go away. So it could be one of the fags that ran away at Mt. Nibel when Tifa went up there.
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>>384746445
There's still updates.
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Someday VR or brain-plugging-in will come to fruition and I will plunge my face in Tifa's breasts will she runs her fingers through my hair and there will be nothing left to do in life
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>>384746278
Reading through that letter from her teacher I'm really hoping we get to see what he describes as a flashback during the part where we have to play as Tifa. That would be cool. And her first days in Midgar would be interesting too.
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>The entire game was Cloud molding himself to be who he feels he should be after having an existential crisis core.
>Game ends up with Cloud all optimistic saying he will be a new person form now on and that he has friends who'll have his back
>Sequels make Cloud go sulking again
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>>384746278
>writing a love letter to a chick that's literally waiting every day for another dude
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>>384746982
At the very least he had a reason to sulk, what with contracting an incureable disease that ends in a very mess death (if that dude dying at the beginning of the movie is any indication).
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the sequence after FF7 ending shows Nanaki with two cubs. If he was the last of his kind, how did he managed to procreate?
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>>384747132
before crisis revealed a female iicr
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>>384715264
i laughed out loud at this and my dates asking what is so funny

where to begin
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>>384724478
Nomura is a fucking retard who has no business touching anything outside his lame Disney series
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>>384715316
thats mostly the games fault
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>>384746907
>And her first days in Midgar would be interesting too.
X Rated anon, how do you think she got the money for the bar?
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>>384747235
>my date
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>>384715664

laughed again. she asked again wts so funny

hoboy
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>>384747320
I'm pretty sure that Barret owned that joint and Tifa turned it into a bar. He seems to be pretty loaded for a dude living in the slums.
Bigger question is how Barret and her met and how she joined up with Avalachance in the first place. Had to be a situation where she could proof that she could beat up a lot of people. Maybe rescued Marlene?
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>>384730903
>playing FF7 with a friend who does that and is named Zack
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I got so tired of people shipping Yuffie with Vincent that I countered by shipping Yuffie with Red XIII.
I'll stand by that ship regardless now though.

>>384747132
Hojo wagered a lot on Nanaki's ability to breed with a humanoid.
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>>384730903
>Not naming any yellow spiked hair male character after DBZ characters
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>>384730758
>FROM THE MAN WHO BROUGHT YOU ADVENT CHILDREN
It was doomed from the start
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>>384717294
I never really understood those last few battles until now, thanks
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>>384717563
playing with frameskip on emus made me unable to play otherwise

my 3 settings for ff8 were 60fps(normally its 50, perfect speed but slightly sped up sound is annoying), 500, and 3000
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>>384747587
Would make a great teaser "episode" content to release before the game itself. Too bad SE is incapable of doing anything correctly or do the obvious to build hype, even simple things are out of their reach.
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>>384715316
>Gaia is a lovecraftian alien that has made its home on the previous lifeless ball of rock that is the planet they live on.
>Summoning meteor is only to get gaia to go into "fuck this I'm packaging my things and getting out" mode (return all life to the lifestream and find a new home) followed by sephiroth camouflaging himself against gaias protection systems and bypassing the flow of life back to gaia so he can take it all for himself

I never got those from the story as a kid this whole time it was just ECO-terrorism and aliens
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>>384738514
Funny how they turned out to be each other's childhood crushes in the end.
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>>384735212
>KH is canon to Toy Story
Thanks for ruining my childhood memories Nomura
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>>384747893
Would actually make for a pretty great demo that they could show off because people want to see her in the goddamn remake already.

You know what would be funny, everyone here makes their little fantasies of Tifa having to slut it up in her days in Midgar and then it turns out she did some mundane shit to stay afloat. The 'fanciest' I could see her be is being a bouncer/barkeep and that's where she got the idea of owning her own bar.
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>>384740868
>Golbez and Kefka
>cool
Wow
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>>384748028
You can thank pixar for wanting it
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>>384722063
materia system still the best ff7 just did a noobjob of implementing it

the potential for creativity and reward for creativity is sick
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>>384747930
JENOVA is a straight up lovecraftian monster alright though.
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>Tifa stumbles upon Cloud after a couple of years
>He's sperging out and obviously insane but the moment he sees her he becomes how he is in the beginning of the game
Creepy as fuck
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I've been thinking of picking up the digital version on PS4, so that I can finally play this game before Remake comes out.
Do any of you guys know how good that version is? Is it just a straight port of the PS1 version, or is it closer to the infamous PC version?
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>>384748516
The creepiest part is that it's also the moments he pretty much molds himself into the ideal SOLDIER he wanted to be for her.
And when Tifa noticed the first discripancy in his memory righ there she didn't say anything because she was afraid that he last piece of her past would go away again.
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>Cloud was an autist hated by everybody but unknown to him the girl next door had a crush on him
Cloud really was a unique character
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>>384728926
Word of God confirms that Sephiroth's goals were his own, and he was not under control of Jenova. She was bent to his will.
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>>384748689
I don't know honestly, but the PSN version they had for the PS3 was a straight port of the PSX original.
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>>384748892
>Mother....I want you to love me
Now that's some shit for doujins, but nooooo rather make vanilla rape doujins with Tifa.
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>>384748516
Cloud has a strong bond with Tifa and the sight of her acts as a catalyst to pull his persona together, false as it is. Tifa is his special person.
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>>384748516
Hey Tifa is a little creepy too. It sounds really sweet when you say she just wanted to stick with Cloud and then you remember that she listened to clouds entire story and never once blew the whistle on the laundry list of plot holes in it. Then she gets to Gongaga and she actively lies saying she never heard of a Zack Fair in her life. Then she gets to the northern crater and says that Sephiroth's story has zero basis in reality. When you start to think about it Tifa was kind of supporting Cloud's delusions.
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>>384742435
Let's face it, the Remake is going to be awful if it ever does release. Every month that passes I begin to understand just how badly SE has messed up this project. Why couldn't they have taken and polished the original story, updated the battle system and used a more artistic artstyle? Instead, we get 3 separate games, Westernized combat and hyperrealistic CGI that will max out at 28FPS because the PS4 is an inferior PC.

SE is dumb, I don't see how anybody who liked the original game is still excited for to finish the trilogy in 2019
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>>384749260
*2029
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>>384748846
Tifa didn't have a crush on Cloud when they were children. She didn't really notice him until the night he invited her to the well
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>>384749135
>Hey Tifa is a little creepy too
>As a child hears her mother and would have died if it wasn't for Cloud
>After Cloud told her he was going to be a SOLDIER she started having feelings for him and became obsessed with him by always looking for news about him. This was odd because every boy in Nibelhiem did the same thing as Cloud
At least Cloud has an excuse but Tifa is a little unhinged
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>>384749363
And they were still children when he did that
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>>384749135
She wanted to fuck him. She spent years longing for him after the well scene
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>>384749135
And Tifa admits as much in the Northern Crater and it's stated by her own thoughts when she's unconscious that she did so because she was afraid that he would go away again and that it was a mistake. Hence why she freely says that what Cloud said was wrong inside his mind.

>tfw the Nurse in Mideel gushes over how much Tifa must love Cloud
really made my heart go doki doki

>>384749465
Well unlike the other boys in town Cloud didn't pussy out on Mt. Nibel and tried to rescue her.
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I still don't understand why Tifa suddenly had a crush on Cloud. IIRC he was hated by everybody with the lone exception being his mom. He even admitted he was an autist back then when his mind was being fixed
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>>384749135
Anyone that actually played the original FFVII as an adult realizes Tifa is probably the most genuinely, unaddressed unhinged character in the hero party. Cloud has issues from being experimented on and being unwillingly involved in some psycho's God Plot. Tifa likely qualifies as a sociopath. There's being kind and timid in what to do in the face of a person from your past acting strange and then there's what Tifa did for the entirety of the game until the last few hours, all for her own ego's benefit. She's pretty disturbed.
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>>384749135
She was afraid that confronting him with the "truth" would push him over the edge, and she was right.

Let's also remember that Cloud had memories that, in Tifa's mind, he should have never had because she didn't know he was there. That had to unnerve her. She seemed to be trying to piece together the truth as much as Cloud needed to.
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>>384749637
Hence why I said way up that Tifa probably never really dated anyone because she would meassure them against Cloud.
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>>384748689
The PS4 port that came out a couple of years ago is a straight port of the Steam version.
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>>384749850
My headcanon was that Cloud's dad was a Chad who got the most desired women in the village (Cloud's mom) so the adults decided to take their anger out on Cloud and their behavior influenced all the kids
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>When cloud wakes up in nibelheim mansion and this plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rV40ypje7o

Still to this day over 10 years later it still haunts me.
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>>384749861
I love how people try to shift the blame of Cloud's fractured mind from Hojo and Sephiroth/Jenova to Tifa, seemingly because they hate how popular she is.
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Is Cloud the most desired manlet in fiction? He has the most women lusting for him
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>>384749861
Dude, she was also trying to piece the truth together. Because everything Cloud said had to come from somewhere even when she didn't remember him being in Nibelheim at the time, that's why she didn't say anything amongst other things. Turns out she then found out with Cloud that he WAS there and the he did come to rescue her when she needed rescuing.

If anyone is unhinged it's that piece of shit Yuffie.
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>Cloud is suddenly able to leap skyscrapers, has enough strength to cleave them in half, and can get exploded, shot, crushed, impaled, etc. without dying or even really slowing down

What the fuck happened to him down in the lifestream that made him fucking Superman? He was strong but he wasn't like that before Tifa fixed his mind.
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>>384750085
Tifa knew everything and could have stopped Cloud giving Sephiroth the black materia.
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>>384750074
The best part was that the first second were looping until you talked with Sephiroth and when he said "I'm going to visit my mother!" does the main part of the theme start.
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>>384750216
Cloud has the most Jenova cells after Sephiroth so he's pretty much the second strongest guy in the FF7 world.
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>>384750227
Tifa had absolutely no idea about Jenova cells or their presence in Cloud, there is no way she could have predicted that would happen.
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>>384750151
Yuffie is just a teenage thief. Like all teenagers she's a little shithead who's short-sided and doesn't think things through and generally exists to get on everyone else's nerves
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>>384749861
You forgot about how she underwent a dangerous mission and could have been raped and killed by Don Corneo because she lost her will to live after Cloud fell to the church
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>>384750323
The Jenova cells got purged once he was in the lifestream though. That's why Sephiroth can't control him at the end. Maybe he's all juiced up on Mako, but since the planet is sentient, it gave him good Mako that doesn't poison so he could battle Sephiroth.
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>>384749850
I thought Cloud hated everyone, not everyone hated Cloud.
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>>384750390
Cloud only gave Sephiorth the black materia because he believed Sephiroth's lies. Tifa could have told the truth but she didn't
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>>384750227
Does Aeris share in the blame as well? She alluded to knowing Cloud wasn't himself with her line about wanting to meet the "real" him. Don't forget that she also hears the lifestream, which may have tipped her off.
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Yuffie's unbuttoned shorts.

>tfw they will be buttoned in the remake
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>>384750074
>crossdressing mission
>the creepiest moment in the game happens during it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK84iaAjI2c
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>>384750562
Anon that is factually incorrect. Cloud had Jenova cells in him which is how Sephiroth was able to control him. At that point Cloud was like the people in black cloaks. Cloud was forced against his will to give it up.
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>>384750390
Yeah but it's a little weird when you get to Zack's parents house and they say "have you seen my son?" And then Tifa gets mad tells them she has no idea what the fuck they're talking about and then runs out the door. And then when Cloud asked what's her problem she's "like oh nothing I'm just on my period or something."
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>>384750074
i remember when i first played i already knew aeris/aerith was gonna die,i remember gettin to the temple of the ancients and that music "you can hear the planet cry",i was like, fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, that song still haunts me to this day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBRAkpXTmCs
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>>384750468
That not what happened. Cloud remained the same and still had Jenova cells. it's just that by the end of the game he finally had the mental fortitude needed to resist Sephiroth
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>>384750227
She didn't actually. That's why she mainly kept quiet because she was trying to piece it together like >>384749869 said. He had memories of things that she shouldn't have but he also had the most treasured memory for both of them, the promise on that starry night so it had to be her Cloud. She actually wanted to confront him on two occassions (at Cosmo Canyon and on the Gold Saucer date) but chickened out. So it's not like she deliberately supported his delusions.
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>>384750668
You have a spicy perception of the story in this game
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>>384750683
Genuinely some of the most unsettling music in a video game without being obviously scare bait or whatever. Love the soundtrack so much.
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>>384750630
Cloud only broke down because he believed he was a clone made by Hojo.
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>>384750504
Cloud mentions that he was slightly older than the other kids and saw himself as being above their childish games while at the same time wishing they would invite him to come play. The parents told their children to stay away from Cloud because he's a weirdo and after the incident at the bridge Tifa's father held a vendetta against him, even though Cloud was a reason Tifa still alive.
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>>384750562
So did she know Cloud was there the whole time during the Nibelheim event?
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>>384750562
>>384750630
The lies thing just made him not fight back. That Sephiroth could just control him was pretty obvious when Cloud nearly cleaved Aeris in half.
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>>384750748
I really do love this game. Flaws and all. I really could talk about it all day
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>>384750904
Because at the end when Zack and Tifa get fucked up Cloud is the one who comes to their rescue. He takes off his helmet and that's how Tifa knew he was there the whole time.
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>>384750629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ERZ-Wjh2FQ
Yeah I was confused
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>>384750904
No. The only time Cloud revealed his face Tifa was unconscious. And she showed surprised when she found out Cloud kept his promise and was her knight in shining armor when she needed him most.
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Would telling Cloud the truth flat out have really done anything though?

He'd have just said "yeah, whatever" and ignored them anyway.
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Why didn't Aerith bring a party with her to the Forgotten Capital?
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>>384750504
Tifa's dad and some other adults was out to get the poor kid
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>>384750613
I want to impregnate Yuffie!
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>>384751097
No he wouldn't. Cloud actually confronted Tifa in Junon once his real self told him to ask Tifa what happened that night and she brushed him off
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>>384751097
We don't know. It's easy to say that cloud believe his own lie but when you spend the night at Junon Cloud has a conversation with himself talking about all the things that don't make sense with his own story. He gets ready to talk about it with Tifa before they had to get ready to climb the plate and he had to drop it.
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>>384751036
I thought that was Jenova
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>>384750904
Of course not. That's the point. The memories that Cloud has are his own, but he mixed them up with what he saw Zack do. After all Cloud was present during most of those things.
Hell even the parts where Cloud goes into Tifa's room probably happened, because Cloud was the grunt that had to stand guard outside while the others were resting, so that is the perfect time to go sneak into your crush's room when no one is looking.

>>384750629
Great foreshadowing that scene. With the Kid!Cloud always talking to Cloud in his mind and all.
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>>384729960
>not naming everyone sephiroth
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>>384751121
It was something she felt she alone had to do. Which makes sense when you consider that the white materia would only listen to her. Matter of fact the white materia was the one thing in the entire world that Sephiroth was afraid of. So much so that he stood guard over Holy himself even at the end of the game.
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>>384750562
No, Sephiroth was controlling his mind. He was being brought closer to Sephiroth because all Jenova cells (and people/clones with them) have the tendency to group back together and "regenerate". Once Cloud's close enough and carrying the black materia Sephiroth controls him to give it to him. The lies just made Cloud's will weak so Sephiroth could control his easier. By the end Cloud could control himself.
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>>384751025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53Xc_0HA-M#t=19m7s

at 19:24 Tifa asks "so it was you?"
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>>384751262
Tifa also wanted to talk with him at Cosmo Canyon but chickened out and once they reached Nibelheim things kind of snowballed from there.
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>>384751385
Makes sense then. I could understand not going with Cloud of course considering how unstable he was.
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>Jenova: Because...you are a puppet
One hell of a line
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>>384751382
>Sephiroth! You are back home!
>Sephirot: ...Sephiroth? Who's Sephiroth?
>What are you talking about? Sephiroth's Sephiroth!
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>>384751579
Even after Aeris said her goodbyes Sephiroth once again appeared in Cloud's mind ordering him to stop her. And when Cloud finally woke up he begged the party members that go with him just to keep him stable because he wasn't sure what he would do. Cloud was deeply afraid of himself by the end of disc 1
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>>384751667
The way Sephiroth operates is kind of creepy. What do you do when you are your own enemy and you can't trust your own thoughts?
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>>384751930
That's why he's one of the best villains in the series.
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>>384751667
That entire plot around Cloud's memories being fucked up was fucking great. I don't think any other game did something like that before. It definitely helped Cloud becoming one of videogames iconic heroes.
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>>384751815
>Sephiroth orders him to go after Aeris and stop her
Heh, that was "would you kindly" before Bioshock did it.

But yeah he had good reasons to be afraid. And by the time they were in the Norther Crater he was near breaking point and Sephiroth pushed him over the edge.
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>>384752028
The unreliable narrator is such a great plot device. FF7 was probably the first time I encountered it, and why I like it so much.
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>>384752307
>Heh, that was "would you kindly" before Bioshock did it.

Damn. I never even thought of this. I love this game. Looking forward to the next thread whenever that is
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I feel bad for Cloud. Throughout the whole game and Advent Children he is plagued with mental illness.
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>>384717107

Advent Children Complete works pretty well as a *possible* sequel. It has some neat concepts and ideas but there's a lot to dislike. The fan service is on point though, especially in the Complete edition.
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If you could only impregnate on FFVII girl, which one would it be?
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>>384752537
I always forget what the differences actually are between Complete and the original early 00s release but I do remember being very disappointed with the original release and watching Complete and thinking 'alright it's not the worst thing ever like the rest of the EU at least'
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>>384714897
nothing, literally fucking nothing. Final Fantasy is one of the shittiest game series that i have ever played.
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>>384752634
The only thing I remember complete adding was Rufus explaining where the trio came from and sephiroth poking Cloud at the end of their fight
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>>384752753
Yeah galo sengen
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>>384752464
It also makes a second playthrough so much more interesting because only then do you notice the little hints.

>>384752464
All of the little talks that you have with Sephiroth throughout the game, like on the ship or in the basement of the Shinra Mansion is basically Sephiroth where he wants him to go and lead him to the Black Materia that he needs.
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>>384752464
>>384752841
man, you're making me wish we saw more about how fucked the Jenova experiments made young SOLDIERs
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>>384752537
>>384752634
>>384752756
There was also a scene at the beginning when Marlene is narrating and mention Geostigma where we see some poor schmuck actually croaking from it and it kinda gives a bit more sense as to why Cloud left and holed himself up in the church so that his loved ones wouldn't need to see him die like that.

One other different is also that Cid doesn't rescue Tifa and Denzel. Instead Tifa beats the shit out of some of the monsters.
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>>384724617

Steam version has permanently open mouths but it's easily moddable to either no mouth or the classic PSX line mouth.
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When I get to this scene in the remake an ache in my autistic shipping heart will finally be soothed after 20 years.
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>>384753316
Or different models alltogether.
Also music needs to be modded too.
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>>384724779
Is there a longer summon animation in any video game?
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>>384753441
>Tifa will never use actions to tell you what she's thinking
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FF7's story is deep with a lot of turns but you can still understand it if you try hard enough. FF8 on the other hand is a shitshow. I don't even understand why they were fighting to begin with. All I remember is "just because" they can.
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>>384753441
Since they made the high affection version of the scene the canon one they should just go all the way and do this. No pussy footing around when other Final Fantasy couples in recent years had FMV kisses.
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>>384753535
Everything made sense up until the assassination mission. At that point the entire plot goes wackity schmackity doo
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>>384753809
That's because the rest of the game is just Squall's dying dream.
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>>384753736
Agreed wholeheartedly. At the barest minimum we need to get Mass Effect deep kissing and a shot of bare ass. Hopefully Square goes above the minimum but that's the bottom line.
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>>384753736
Could you sauce me this, my man? Cloud and Tifa are why I'm a romantic at heart.
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>>384752573
Cloud.
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>>384719497
this is why you shouldnt read i fucking love science.
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is the reunion mod any good?
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>>384754149
I found those last year on tumblr, was some french canadian artist chick, but I could never get hold of the whole comic and I only have 21 preview pic. I can upload the, to imgur real quick before the thread goes down
Here
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