Where the fuck are all the hack'n'slash games? how

To hard. people want games like kingdom hearts

>>384685475

Even games like KH aren't that popular.
Do we really need another fucking FPS?

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>>384685275
Too much gameplay, normalfags can't handle it
This is just sad, it's a genre with tons of unexplored potential that we'll never see realised because it doesn't sell 6 gorrilion copies

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>>384685275
They're too videogamey for casuals.
They're too hard to make for developers.
The fans of the genre are too picky.

Our era ended before it even began.

>>384685275
They don't sell enough, especially not right away. Games are so expensive to make these days that you need to sell millions of copies to make any reasonable amount of money, which means casuals or people with limited time on their hands are the target audience.

Meanwhile, the souls games have several sequels and copycats, while having simplistic combat at best, mediocre at worse...

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>>384686131

Why are we even here? just to suffer?

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When I first played DMC3 on the PS2 I was so amazed...I was sure this is where gaming was going, and it was glorious.

Did I ended up in the wrong dimension?

>>384686652
It might have stayed that way if games stayed comparatively cheaper to make, but if you need to push 4 million units in the first year to make a profit you're not going to do that with Ninja Gaiden.

>>384685275
Not much interest for AAA teams and publishers to go for
Too difficult for indie devs to make

You're stuck with devs that have some degree of control over what they make like platinum games and from software.

But then you have to problem of finding a dev team that has that freedom AND likes making hack and slash.

So you're talking from and platinum.

>>384685275
http://store.steampowered.com/app/665090/The_Initial/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/263620/Mitsurugi_Kamui_Hikae/
Here you go Pantsu May Cry: Gaiden

The new God of War is not h&s

How do I get good at Dmc4

>>384687183
It's going to be Norse More Heroes

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DMC5 when?

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>>384687249
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KpJBao3Nc
now

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>>384687458
>mfw throughout the whole trailer
It's a fan game, right? Doesn't look too horrible for a single man project even though the overall package seems like crap

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Casuals literally see them as button mashers. This is biggest reason they died, they were in-depth as fuck, but by the end way too forgiving. People played them like shitters because the game allowed them to.

This is why Souls had such incredibly mainstream success, because they made it literally impossible to simply buttonmash. Souls actually forces you to learn the game at a basic level if you want to finish it. Same reason DMC1, DMC3, NGB etc are the most beloved in the mainstream mind, you need to learn the fucking game.

DMC and Ninja Gaiden dug their own grave by trying to get the God of War audience. Who at that point thought these games were boring. As soon as the great franchises stopped forcing players to learn WHY they where fun, they were finished.

>>384688504

Good point, never looked at it like that.

We can only hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5El-yYNUwU

>>384689602
>dev got picked up by sony
it's gonna be fucking exclusive now
I still might buy it

>>384689723
"timed" exclusive
I say this nonshitpostingly, dev himself clarified

>>384689862
yeah after I posted that I started looking for the dev's twitter and found the tweet. Hopefully that means it'll get at least a pc/ps4 release in a short amount of time

>>384688504
they -are- button mashers. the fuck.

don't sit and act like because nobody play the game like it's Melee it died. i can beat every game in your genre half asleep.

enjoy your over the top cutscenes, only reason people even talk about this shit anymore.

le CRAZY xD
It's a shit genre and DMC is disgustingly overrated. Play a real beat em up instead

>>384689993
Case in point.

>>384690307
so don't act like they're anything else.

>>384690115
>>384689993

This is what you become when you can't GIT GUD?

>>384690350
No moron, he was confirming that casuals think they are button mashers, calling you a casual. Because the game doesn't force people to do crazy combos.
You don't know what case in point means, lmao

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Too expensive for most publishers. You'll see Nintendo or somebody commission Platinum to do something. They aren't going to really drive platform sales, but they're useful as the studio equivalent of a prestige picture.

Your average Japanese hack-n-slash is lucky to reach 1-3 million. That's already high saturation for the "core" gaming audience. (Core in this sense means the population of the gaming community that buys a diverse number of titles, frequently on multiple platforms. People that play League of Legends, COD, Dota 2, etc. are enormous in terms of quantity, but also pretty much only play their specific game so are not really statistically notable).

So what are you going to do when A and AA publishing is dead and AAA publishers are determined to make things homogeneous?

Indie developers are making steady progress. There are a lot of small scale productions that are attempting to ape your Dante-em-ups gameplay in 2D. Juggling, dashing attacks, points for keeping your moveset diverse instead of spamming the same attack over and over.

Once low-poly becomes more in vogue I imagine we'll start seeing people try to ape the products in genuine.

Regardless, at least the primordial soup is there and Platinum'll get to do a passion project inbetween all its potboiler stuff.

>>384690372
DMC isn't hard

>>384690350
We all know you wouldn't even be able to get past Murai on Ninja Dog so stop trying you pathetic cumstain.

They died because you retards keep calling them hack n slashes when that's the opposite of what they are.

If you argue this point whatsoever you deserve the deeper grave this wonderful genre continues to fall into.

>>384690539
DMC1 and 3 are.

4 still had good combat but making it so easy was a mistake.

>>384686207
But why do games NEED to cost as much to make as they do? It wasn't like this 10-15 years ago.

>>384690784
because people like their graphics.

>>384690598
>you retards keep calling them hack n slashes when that's the opposite of what they are.

So they're slash and hackers?

>>384686352
I hope you're not trying to implicate god hand with this genre cancer

>>384690503

Why is it so hard to be made by a indie studio?
I imagine its not the machanics in itself.
Is motion capture really necessary?

The only indie studio I know that uses expensive mocap is tripwire, with Killing Floor 2 and Red Orchestra...

Last game was Bayonetta 2, that didn't sell very well
DMC4: Special Edition was released after that as well, but didn't sell either.

>>384690923
Slash OR hackers

>>384690993
God Hand, Platinum, DMC and Ninja Gaiden fanbases have lot of overlap.

I know /v/ meme culture taught you otherwise but it's time to realize this.

>>384691063
DMC4:se is old as fuck and sold plenty considering its price and content
Bayonetta 2 is an exclusive to some no name console
People pretend that there is no market for these games, but in reality, devs are just lazy because making a good game in this genre is hard

>>384685475
>people want games like kingdom hearts
Meanwhile shitters complain about Proud/Critical mode being too hard.

>>384691282
DMC faggots are too obnoxious to share my favourite game

>>384691063
Bayo 2 didnt sell well because it was on fucking Wii U

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Why spend time creating intricate systems, developing combos and making interesting encounters when you can just copy paste BamHam Combat and have the same 3 enemie types of Light, Heavy and Grappler?

People eat that shit up because it's much more satisfying to them to just mash the one attack button and occasionally hitting Counter after 5 seconds of an enemy flashing red instead of actually learning enemies attack pattersn or your own moveset.

>>384687458
>hey, do you want to play a hack and slash, except it has the same graphics and mechanics as Jedi Academy 1? Well you're in luck!

>>384691035
>It's not the mechanics in itself
It definitely is, programming something like this is a huge challenge

>>384691494

bamham-asscreed combat is pure cancer.

>>384691306

As far as I know, Bayo 1 pc port sold well enough. There IS a market for those games, its just that everyone and their mother are trying to copy the success of the latest big trend...

>>384691432
this. if it were on any other system I would have definitely bought a copy, and so would millions of other people, but people are retarded and partner with nintendo, so

>>384691389
>>384691282
Ninja Gaiden fags here are the most hostile bunch I've ever seen. Every game in the same series, excluding 3 and Yaiba, has a rabid fan-base that seem to hate the rest.

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>>384691389

I've never seen strife between Godhand and DMC fans. I'm a huge fan of both. They are both very very good. (1 and 3 anyway as far as DMC goes, 4 is just pretty good).

DESU you sound more like a butthurt NG fan than a GH fan.

>>384686131
but anon, casuals love dark souls

>>384691873
Casuals pretend to love/play Dark souls just because its popular.

>>384691873
No they love to love dark souls, chances are they never even played it.

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I'd like to interject for a moment. The games you chose to refer to as "hack'n'slash" are actually an evolution of arcade beat'em ups like Golden Axe or Final Fight. back then, the term hack and slash was instead used for games that followed the Gauntlet formula and later the Diablo one. Hack'n'slash doesn't simply mean "beat'em up with swords", but refers to something else entirely. So please call games like Devil May Cry what they are - 3D beat'em ups.

>>384691829
>CUHRAYZEEE UNCLE DAWNTY PIZZA STYLE
Nah get fucked, I don't even mind the games but fucking hell does it spawn human trash

>>384691959
no

>>384692026
t. salty NG fan

>>384691735
There's always been a market for these. It's just not as big as FPS's or fighters or MOBAs. AAA devs don't want to invest in a product that won't give them 20,000,000 in sales in the first 2 weeks.
>>384685847
I had no idea these games were considered hard, they've always been second nature to me. Sure they've been challenging, but no so hard that they're unplayable

>>384691959
Golden Axe is a beat em up with swords

What the fuck is Platinum even up to right now?

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>>384691494
This is sadly the case, people don't wanna learn, they want to "feel like a badass". It's the mentality.

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>>384692026

Hmmm.. DMC 3 and 4 are like that. 1 isn't.

Godhand has lots of silly goofy garbage in it too and I still love it.

Mr. Gold and Mr. Silver? Poison Chihuahuas? A gorilla that may be a man in a suit with a zipper visible in the back.

They both goofy and video-gamey so I don't see the reason for such vehement scorn. Are you just in search of a argument?

>>384692101

^this dude is not me

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>>384691959
I prefer Character Action Game

>>384691959

They are called hack'n'slashs nowadays.

Get with the times, grampa...

>>384692101
>implying I would ever buy a non-japanese console
please.

>>384692205
Making Bayo3. Last time they mentioned it talk was getting so real that they were entering "Can't comment on that" mode.

Also Bayo1/2 Switch port.

>>384692205
They made Nier, maybe they're working on something else that's more Bayonetta esque since Nier, MGR and Transformers was pretty easy

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>>384685275
>Where the fuck are all the hack'n'slash games?
Didn't Square released GOTM last March?

>>384692232
no, I'm saying that the fanbase is cancer because of meme garbage and an annoying elitism when the gameplay of DMC isn't even challenging or particularly interesting at all

How many weeks until we can play Bayo 2 on Cemu with no big glitches?

The sound was fixed on the penultimate version, but now the game don't even launch on latest version. Fuck, they turned that into a BoTW emulator project a long time ago...

please give me an invite to the /cgg/ discord... please... I'll suck all your dicks

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>>384692485
>the gameplay of DMC isn't even challenging or particularly interesting at all

>>384692393
Don't know what the fuck that is.

why is Courage so comfy to watch?

>>384692238
>Character Action Game

As opposed to action games without characters? Who the hell came up with such a retarded name for this "genre"?

>>384692606
*launches you*
*juggles you*
*juggles you with a variable*
*repeats*
wow SUPER SICK SMOKIN STYLE dude so hard have some pizza bro just chill and combo with two buttons

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>>384692485

>generalizations like "elitism" that can be applied to any game fanbase (or fanbases in general, see speedrunning)

>fanbase annoying = game bad (you don't have no sense of identity and can only like things based on what other people like)

>Subjective opinions (Not interesting at all, etc.)

Oh okay. So you have nothing. That's cool.

You have a nice day.

>>384692205
Granblue Re:Link

>>384692393
Not trying to shit on Automata here, but the game further solidifies the death of the genre more than anything.

It's very much an ARPG first and foremost.

>>384692758
>reddit spacing
>"subjective"
the petulant DMC baby reveals his true colours. go back there

>>384692754
did you even play the games by yourself or did you just watch the videos of some jap who plays 10 hours a day?
at dmd difficulty enemies kill you in a few hits while being more aggressive and having dt themselves making stagger and launch harder

DMC used to be just another action series that's fun as fuck, fans of it didn't shit on other game series until the shitty term cuhrayzee/character action came up

>>384692727
>>384692393
Think he means Game If The Month, referring to Nier. Even though it was a fun Hack n Slash, it wasn't as intricate combo-wise as something we're used to.

>>384692485
Compared to what?

>>384692996
compared to good games like Star Wars: the Force Unleashed

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>mfw there is a butthurt faggot annoyed by the fact that people enjoy a thing

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>>384692887

>no argument
>"reddit" insult

Never posted there and I've been here for over 10 years, buddy. You keep it classy.

Addendum: Generally past the age of 12, it is seen as a weak burn to try and insult someone based on where they post on the internet. I hope you learn this one day and grow up not to be such a tool.

>>384692873
Pretty sure the ARPG aspect was to make it more similar to the original Nier. Except with funner gameplay.

>>384687076
>The initial
Thanks, anon didn't even know that existed.

>>384692754
Yeah, and being a pianist is just mashing a bunch of keys.

Stop making an ass out of yourself Anon.

>>384693092

*ninja edit*

addendum; kill yourself, you retarded faggot

>>384692754
Is this what the "I only watch streams" generation sounds like?

>>384692730
I agree it's a bad name but Genre Names don't make sense in the first place:

Role Play Games, literally every game ever because in every game you play the role of a character.
God Hand can't be a Hack'n'Slash because you neither hack nor slash, you just punch.
Fighting Games? Fuck man, name me a game where you don't fight.

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>>384693158

>more weak burns

You're quite the charmer.

>>384693291
I used to call God Hand a "third person hand-to-hand combat action fighter". But that's a terrible name even though it describes it pretty well

>>384692026
You realize Gene is basically exactly like that except sometimes even worse.

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>>384691282
100% this. It's like the shitposters that pretend there's a rivalry between Guilty Gear and Blazblue. I know console war threads have been out of control here for more than a decade, but when similar enough games have niche fanbases, they tend to be made up of mostly the same people across the niche.

It's because all the b-tier studios died out. Darksiders was one of the last few btier studio series that remained, and even they died (the new one looks more souls oriented). DMC was always the top end of the genre, so expecting more and more of that is unreasonable. The btiers simply vanished due to economics. Thus no ZOE2s, bujingais, bloodwilltells, darksiders, genjis, etc.

I swear none of you payed attention to E3. Literally no one saw this game on Microsoft's stage except me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHUcohywK5E

We can start here and work our way up to something big

Also, we got NIOH and Nier this year. They're coming back... slowly. We just need something like Ninja Gaiden or DMC5 to come out and start the truth rebirth.

>>384693521
wow, you catch on quick, don't you? I'm talking about the AUTISTIC and OBNOXIOUS fanbase of devil may cry (you), which you would realise if you rubbed both your brain cells together and investigated a chain you knew nothing about before replying. Get out.

>>384692887
>Seriously using the term "reddit spacing"

Yeah it's sure is DMCfags who are the obnoxious fucking memers here huh.

>>384693627
I literally ran a gaming Facebook group and most people where into fighters and this is literally it. BlazBlue and Guilty Gear players do overlap a lot. Same with Ninja Gaiden and DMC/Bayo players

>>384691103
Hash and Slackers?

>>384693908
That looks pretty sick, reminds me of Dust a bit. But yeah this is a good start for a renaissance

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>>384693627

I've beat the shit out of GH and DMC 1/3/4. Never touched NG but I think it looks cool.

Only real fights I see are between (what I think are) disingenuous trolls that try to one up each other with dumb baseless arguments about whose cancels are harder. Really shits up the threads.

It happens with fighters too. The average real FG players plays several games at once. It's just normies and retards that cling desperately to their favorite fighter because they're too lazy to learn another and can't stand not being seen as playing THE MOST DIFFICULT AND TECHNICAL GAME EVER!!!!?!?!!!!!1111

does anyone besides me prefer DMC3 to DMC4?

>>384693920

Not him, but you are embarrassing yourself with this angsty edgy teen attitude, its reaching parody levels...

>>384693920
You're an angry little fucker aren't you?

>>384692205
They last said they were working on a new IP that they themselves would own the rights to. Afaik Kamiya is still on suicide watch and vacation after his dream game was cancelled. Pretty sure the MGR/Transformers director guy is the one in charge of the new IP but I don't know how much of that information has changed.

>>384693920
Anon, the only one being an obnoxious faggot in this thread is you.

Time for some reflection.

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>>384693920

NO GUYS YOU SEE THE FANBASE
THE THING NOT ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE GAME AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME DIRECTLY
IT RUINS THE GAME FOR ME
IM RETARDED HERE'S A COCK SALAD FOR MY MOUTH AHGALGLAHLDGLAGLHLAHLALGLHL

>>384694279
>>384694298
>>384694346
Why are you showering him attention?

>>384694271
It's a common occurrence. A lot of people prefer DMC 1 over the 3 and 4. They're all good games with specific things people enjoy. I prefer 3 over 4 too, but I have to admit 4's more modern style is always refreshing

>>384685275
They're boring and repetitive. Juggling the same useless enemy for ten minutes loses its novelty immediately. Spamming the same moves over and over because doing anything else is tedious and pointless makes you want to drop the game. Even if there are a lot of moves, chaining them together just feels like a shitty cutscene that you just want to skip by the fiftieth time you do it. You're just pushing a button, getting a """cool""" animation, and maybe there's a little bit of timing involved but that by no means matters because it's a fucking PvE game.

>>384694271
DMC3 is a better game overall, but if I were to go back to play one of those games, I'd go for DMC4, because the combat feels a lot more satisfying to me.

>>384693908
ICEY, Bloodrain chronicles, etc

China cranks these out all the time.

>>384694484
>this post and this train of thought is what killed the genre, OP

>>384694484

I agree, I prefer to shoot bad AI enemies in corridors over and over.

>>384694557
Yeah but how many got to reveal themselves on an american gaming conference with millions watching? Just one - Project SHIFT.

>>384693908

That looks good, nice art and movement, seems fun too. Will keep an eye on it...

>>384694709
Are you being sarcastic or are you trying to make a point about something?

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>>384694271

3 is clearly the best game.

Style-switching is cool and all but 3 is a much more polished and complete product and techniques/moves (body surfing, bite the curb, wall-run) were removed going to 4.

3 also has the best devil trigger designs. I don't fucking care about your wrong opinion. Kaneko is a fucking god.

Really liking Transformers Devastation so far, is there anything else I should play after this that's on PC?

>>384695237
Body surfing definitely helped make 3 more enjoyable.
Why didn't they have it in 4?

>>384694221
>Only real fights I see are between (what I think are) disingenuous trolls
Yep. That's literally it. The recent surge in fighting game threads on /v/ is the most blatant it's been in a while. Almost 100% of the time when you see a bunch of anons going at it over Capcom vs just about anything else, nobody arguing actually plays any of the games they're mentioning and are just having a pissing contest over whatever they can make up.

>>384695183
I just don't understand why you're being so negative about having more action games when we're literally eating breadcrumbs.

>>384694010
THE SASH WRINGING
THE TRASH THINGING

>>384685275
Even God of War, the simplest of simple action games is now a TLOU clone

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>>384685275
>tfw lost all my waifu pics to shitpost with

Anyone got that pic of Kasumi's thighs? I miss it dearly

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>>384687076
What the fuck these look fun as fuck. Are any of these games good?

>>384696228
Mitsurugi is pretty fun. Can't speak for the other one.

>>384686652
>DMC3

Thank fuck it did not go that way then

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>>384695237
>>384695639
I personally enjoyed the Devil Bringer more than pretty much any of the techniques in DMC3, but I feel they could've done more with it.

The fact that DMC4 was left unfinished is a glaring problem that's hard to defend though.

>>384686218
>simplistic combat
quality over quantity
you can "feel" every single hit you do in souls, they all matter, unlike in cuhrazy games where it's all about abusing some specific combo ( mostly aerial ) to lock the enemy into infinite stagger animation or whatever.

also, didn't you cuhrazy fags just got NieR:A?

>>384695639
>Why didn't they have it in 4?

Too context sensitive for Dante's gameplay I think.

You have to remember that DMC4 is first and foremost Nero's game, the levels and enemies were designed for him first. Stuff like the gun stomp, wall running, flying etc most likely only worked because the previous games were designed around Dante. In DMC4 they couldn't get surfing on Nero's enemies to work for Dante is my guess.

>>384688504
The fuck is this nigga even talking about?

>>384695639
I'm convinced it was supposed to be, Nero even does it in a cutscene.

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>>384691103
You can be a hacker in Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines.

Is VTMB cuhrayzee now?

>>384696506
Yes but nobody bothered to experiment in Automata because there's no style meter or pseudo-fighting game inputs.

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>>384694484
>repetitive
THAT is the sign of a BAD hack'n'slash. Either the combat system is too shallow to allow diversity in attacks or you're just bad or too dumb to try mixing up your moves and being stylish.

>>384685275
2000 - 2010 were filled with them you retard.

Everyone complained that they weren't DMC or shitty GoW clones so they started doing them because they were a pain in the ass to make, sold little and people bitched around them, so they just started shitting dudebro shooters and open world games now because they are easier to make and people don't bitch because the playerbase is a fuckton higher.

Blame cuhrazy fags.

Phone games

>>384694481
1 > 3 > 4 > > 2 for me.

3 and 4 have amazing combat, but 3's levels are kinda annoying in the middle to the end and 4 is literally unfinished. 2 is a trainwreck.

>>384696561
kek

>>384696006
And I'm sure if you were truly hungry enough you'd eat a cockroach. Doesn't meant you should get excited at the prospect. Some of those Chinese beat em ups end up being pretty good, some don't. There's no point getting hype without more to go on. And acting as if we're FINALLY getting something when there's been a somewhat steady stream of these types of beat em ups seems pointless. Maybe you just need to look harder?

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>>384687458

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>>384693105
This. It's not supposed to be a hack'n'slash. It's just NieR 1 but with vastly improved combat. Platinumfags need to stop confusing this.

>>384687458
Literally just noticed he's wearing a suit with the collar flipped up like in Aliens.

>>384696782
Maybe you should make a game, you sound like you could do better.

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>>384691959
>>384692238
Just call it a Stylish Action Game, which is what it is.

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The answer is quite simple:

Bamham killed them

To the uneducated retard it looks the same, and plays much better because they can actually do the things they see in the trailer by mashing one button. I don't see this cancer stopping any time soon,

>>384697138
That is some puffy vulva.

You are right, thou.
fuck bamham.

>>384696770
There's a 2?

>>384696658
You act as if you can pull any of that off. Your gameplay is as repetitive as the next anon. That's not even your footage.

>>384697138
>Square, Square, Square, Triangle, Square, Circle, SquareSquareSquareSquare, Square
>LE ENGAGING GAMEPLAY
>MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE BATMAN
I fucking hate that genre, the stealth sections are neat and the first Arkham was nice and different but I had no idea it would become industry standard and stuff like NJ and DMC would just be forgotten.

>>384697285
Then lemme admit that I'm not as good as webm related but my point was I'm able to mix up my moves enough to where, even though it's not as ridiculously as stylish as webm related, it still keeps me entertained for the over 100 hours I've put into DMC3 and 4. It's just fun.

>>384685475
Pretty much this. Don't forget Arkhamshit either.

CUHRAYZEE was always a niche genre but at least back in the PS2 days, the industry as a whole wasn't as huge and demand for other types of games didn't eclipse the demand for CUHRAYZEE.

If this genre actually legitimately dies, I'm going to be very, very sad since it's probably my favorite genre. Nothing else scratches quite the same itch.

>>384696658
That webm just gave me PTSD for Hell and He'll mode.

Why does the cuhrayzee player community think about Dungeon Fighter Online?

>>384696924
Mandarin collars have been around since gwailo discovered tea

>>384685275
Its my favorite genre but I think more games need to allow you the ability to play on higher difficulties off the bat. Most normalfags dont have the patience to do multiple runs are view the genre as simplistic button mashers with the exception of ninja gaiden to an extent.

Playing on master ninja, dmd, and nsic is comepletrly different than starting out and usually shows the strength of the genre. Casuals wont get to that point and have no concept of the underlying systems they can learn. Instead games like dark souls who owe most of their fundamentals to hack and slash games get popular and are lauded.

It frustrates me to death when normalfags say that games like bayo or dmc are too simplistic when you are a literal swiss army knife of death.

>>384697278
Without 2 we wouldn't have 3... as sad as that fact is.

>>384697987
Great but the stamina system kills me from playing it. Especially higher level justice/monk.

>>384689993
>he hasn't played Ninja Gaiden

>>384690539
>he didn't beat it on DMD mode

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I know I might as well be killing the sales of the game, but I honestly want modern games in the genre to be as tough and unwelcoming to casuals as they were in the PS2 days without the need to bump to a higher level off the bat.
Kids and younger adults have no idea how good they have it with QA departments and publishers filled with the biggest pussies out there that are afraid of providing a challenge.
I know it sounds retarded these days to say, but Dark Souls proved that you can sell a difficulty.

>>384690784
Because a lot of devs and consumers make and purchase games under the assumptions that they NEED to have big budgets and pretty graphics.

>>384698787
>but I honestly want modern games in the genre to be as tough and unwelcoming to casuals as they were in the PS2 days

Nah that's why difficulties exist. If there is ever a DMC5 I want it to thrive so I'd be more than ok if they included a few lower difficulties to attract casuals while the rest of us play on higher difficulties. Options are good anon.

Doing Hack n Slash is hard. There are tons of PS2 era RPGs, MMOs, or even current era RPGs trying and failing to make this style of combat fun.

Now imagine you have to make game only about combat. Nier was developed by Platinum but combat alone wouldn't make it worth a playthrough.

>>384685275
I just want Capcom to make a new DMC generation as a spinoff where Dante has a teenage daughter and dumps his job on her and she has all his styles mixed with her mom's lightning bullshit but her own completely unique movesets and Nero is the goofy uncle who always tries to scold her for being reckless and she teases his nerdy son a lot who is the series' shota character and if you clear the game you unlock Dante and Nero as bonus characters for NG+ and if you clear DMD mode you get Trish and Lady and if you perfect every mission you unlock Vergil and if it does really well they release a boss rush gauntlet dlc where you have one life to fight every boss from the entire series in rapid succession and if you clear that you unlock Donte as a joke and he's awful in every way and the game is set to crash if you are about to clear the story mode or the boss gauntlet with him but none of this will ever happen.

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>>384699689
Yeah NieR Automata was developed by Platinum and combat alone doesn't make it worth a playthough, Yoko Taro's game design and writing does, but you probably never heard of him before Automata so there's no use trying to educate a newfag.

>>384700270
>she has all his styles mixed with her mom's lightning bullshit
>implying Dante would fuck a clone of his Mother

You have a really low opinion of the man anon.

>>384700467
Ladyfag please go

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>>384700392
Yeah, being dev'd by Platinum confused so many people. They expected a " Platinum game with a good story," but instead got a "Yoko Taro game with good combat."

>>384700670
>Trishfag trying to talk shit

Dante is far too based to go for incest. That shit is only for the most beta of males.

>>384700392
>but you probably never heard of him before Automata so there's no use trying to educate a newfag.
Retard, Nier was a popular cult game before Automata came out (especially on /v/), stop trying to impress everyone by enjoying some "obscure" and "niche" video game writer who just steals anime tropes.

I just want NG2 on PC

>>384701316
How the fuck do you steal a trope

>>384701389
By shoehorning in apocalyptic scenarios, waifufaggotry, and dramatic suicides into everything you right solely for the enjoyment of dumbass weeaboos.

Finally got round to playing Bayonetta on pc. I feel like I'm not progressing beyond dodge > witch time combo > try and land another combo while the enemy is on their ass. Is there anything more to the game?

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>>384689993

>>384701089
>incest is based on appearance, not genetic relation
Ladyfag please

>>384702142
Nope

>>384685275
>Where the fuck are all the hack'n'slash games?
On Wii U

>>384702309
When the person in question was created by the lord of the underworld to be an exact physical duplicate of a persons mother in order to lower his guard and make him easier to manipulate yes it is based on appearance you dumb shit Trishfag.

>>384702357
Bah. It's annoying because anything that does real damage is too damn slow. By the time you get the arms and legs out you've already been hit by the guy you're fighting. Especially big fuckers

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>>384685275

Try Dust: An Elysian Tail. It's a side-scrolling hack-and-slash, but it's damn good at what it does. Great story, great music, great gameplay, hand-painted backdrops.

>>384701365
Monkey's paw
https://youtu.be/qCm4SQWwJHY

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>>384698257
Master Ninja and Dante Must Die can only be what they are because they have the training wheels and ramp up difficulties to prop them up. You can't jump straight into those modes. You're asking for the genre to change to accommodate casualfags, that can only end in disaster,

>>384700685
>with good combat
if only

>>384685275
https://youtu.be/z5El-yYNUwU
Based chink will save the genre

>>384702142
>Bayonetta

There's your problem. Play NG or DMC, if you must play Platinum shit then at least play MGR

>>384702621
played it on ipad
suprisingly good

>>384703196
MGR is literally hack'n'slash for babies, atleast Bayonetta has some solid mechanics
But sadly pacing and level structure is shit
PG can't into games at all

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>>384702745
Hey at least they technically get to play the best version of the game

>>384703207

I wasn't even aware you could get it on mobile devices. Were you emulating it somehow? Do you have a keyboard/mouse? A controller?

I know that it's on Steam (which is where I have it) and the 360.

>>384703462
it has a native IOS port, with touchscreen controls and all

>>384703420
>technically get to play the best version of the game
I'll rather be able to play the explosionfest and staircase of lag at a slightly more reasonable framerate than the massive pile of boredom that is Sigma 2

>>384703327
They both have basically the same core mechanics, the only difference is that MGR has everything else not related to gameplay that Bayo does not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na5i80ihzwc

>>384703534

Huh. Interesting.

Well, regardless of the platform, it's a great game.

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>>384703562
Well, you're entitled to your shit and objectively wrong taste.

>>384704193
Dude, that was freaking sick. Man I wish I could pull off high execution stuff like this. How do people do it?

>>384691340
Who

>>384702745
No, not that one.
Fucking hell and it's the version I have and I hate it more and more as I compare it to the X360 version

I don't that murricunt house fire console.

>>384704602
That's not high execution at all, that's just a penchant for kino.

>>384704703
>Fucking hell and it's the version I have and I hate it more and more as I compare it to the X360 version

Gee i wonder if this is a false flag. Uhmmmmmm

>>384704826
I have a feeling that he knows that and is just being very sarcastic for it because he had a terrible day.

>>384704826
I don't think I'd ever be able to pulled that out. The timing and execution is too high for me. Can you do it? It's sick to watch though.

>>384703568
No, they don't
Bayonetta finishes her "light punches" combo after a while, in MGR you can buttomash light hits without any problem
Also the cancel shit is in there, in MGR there's none
>has everything else
>posts memery soundtrack that sounds like shit
K

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>>384705996
>Bayonetta fan is a faggot

Color me surprised

>>384692205
They mentioned something about making a NieR remake or remaster when the time was ready

>>384706441
>Bayonetta fan
I'm not, kek
But ofc you're the one to talk about faggots, MGR baby

>>384685275

Weebed the fuck up and dumbed the fuck down with series like Senran Kagura and Onechanbara.

>>384691942
>>384691938
>dark souls
>not casual as fuck
Pick none

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>>384686652
>tfw we'll never get a game with rule 63 Dante

>>384704907
Everyone know the 360 version is better. Who are you trying to fool

>>384707121
Fucking idiot normalfag, get out.
As if you deserve this genre.

Those are musoushit, it's not even the same thing.
You're a bigger shitty casual than those games.

>>384703196

>Play DMC
But anon, I like games where my enemies fight back.

>>384702142
>witch time
Play without it then so you are forced to use dodge offset

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>>384704193
This webm will never not make me hard.

the only kind of these games i really liked was dark siders 2 because it was really challenging, nier automata dropped the ball with the balancing where you have infinite dashes and infinite heals so it became a lot less about being skillful with the combat and more about cheesing builds and spamming dodge

>>384702621
>deviantart furry trash
>great story
LMAO play muramsasa or odin sphere you fucking furfag idiot

>>384703184
What happen with this crappy bootleg ffxiv?

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>>384692103
dude, webm related are the types of players who play games for a living now and give others advice on what games are good or bad, and what they should buy. and the majority of the public trusts their opinion. it's the current state of the industry.

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>>384709657
>But anon, I like games where my enemies fight back.

Then play Ninja Gaiden

>>384710176
>the only kind of these games i really liked was dark siders 2
lol, what a idiot

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>>384704193
That was fucking slick.

>>384689993
I think i agree with you.I recently played Bayonetta on pc and didn't actually bother learning any of the combos,just mashed and dodged and the game was faily easy(at least on normal and hard)
These games have become quite forgiving.

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>>384695237
Get DMC3 on Steam, patch it, and install Style-Switching mod.
Boom, better than DMC4.

>>384708465
Is Lollipop Chainsaw considered musou?

What would be other musou games besides Koei games?

>>384685275
Probably because they are among the most mindless trash in existence

All these moves and comboes, yet none of it matters

>>384711224
lolipop chainsaw is more of a basic arcadey hack and slash. these autists basically only consider "xD im shooting this guy mid air with a gun and changing to a sword and cutting him a million times then i swap to a hammer and crush em yahoooo!!" to be true spectacle action games

So we all know that DMC/NG/GH and then Platinum are each in a tier of their own. And then GoW is below that, and then Bamham and finally, real trash.

But what are other games in the level of either
>GoW/GoW clones
>Bamham
>actual trash
?

I wish there were more Hack n Slashes concentrating more on the defensive game and with generally more proactive enemies.

https://koschei.typeform.com/to/P7uaNX
list of basically all action games you could think of
it includes bad ones though so make sure you check

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>>384712620
If you back two generations pretty much every action game tried to be a DMC/GoW game.

There are fucking tons of mediocre/shitty games like this.

>>384693291
You should know what the root of RPGs are by now, and why they stuck with the name even though the focus has shifted from the actual role-playing to stats.
God Hand is a 3D Beat em up.
Fighting games are a bit fuzzier to define, but they generally revolve around having character dedicated movesets that can be pitted against each other and gameplay being focused on multiple (relatively short) rounds to dictate the winner. A bit technical, but not too tough.

Git Gud at nomenclature. "Hyper Action" seems pretty good for what encapsulates DMC, NG, etc. but it could still just as easily be 3D beat-em-up because of where the focus lies in the genre, however the additional focus on a ranking system suggests "ranked" action game/beat-em-up.

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>>384713010
>https://koschei.typeform.com/to/P7uaNX
>No Armored Core
>No Gundam Versus
>No Gundam Breaker
>No Crimson Sea
>No Crimson Tears

>>384713010
It's lacking
>Razor's Edge
>The Initial
>Blood Will Tell
>Musou
>Bamham
>Fairy Bloom Freesia
>Rain Blood
>Aces Wild
>Valkyrie Drive
>Hellblade
>Icey
>Asura's Wrath

>>384690115
>Play a real beat em up instead
beat em ups are dead too m8

Where would Rising Zan and T'ai Fu fare in this ranking >>384712620?

>>384713067
Ghost Rider was legit anon

One of the culprits imo is batman combat. That shit is probably easy as fuck to implement compared to a real combat system and casuals fucking love it.

>>384713010
>NGB, the only NG game above 4/5
>below even DMC4 and Bayo1
How is this fair?

>>384715257
who? sound like chink trash so it trash tier

>>384713010
Where's Sonic Unleashed?

Playing DMC 4 special edition
I'm too used to have a dodge move that's OP from other games. How exactly do I dodge attacks? That little roll is shit.

>>384715257
I'm not sure about T'ai Fu, but Rising Zan one of the early 3D beat em ups, to put it simply.

>>384716269
Roll
Jump
Trickster
Royal Guard

Welcome to DMC

>>384716269
Playing as Nero? Table hopper
You just need to git gud and control the crowds.

>>384716392
oh so I have to physically have my character not be in the path of the attack?
That's kind of annoying, I have no dash or other high speed move, and nero runs so slowly

>>384716684
>Nero
Ah. Yeah, for him all you have is a roll and jump/air hike but his variation of the Stinger, his dashing forawrd spinning move thing? That and his Buster are OP as shit. All you really need to do is a basic ground combo, launch them for an air combo, slam them down and spam buster grabs while you're still in the air. Nero isn't really one for dodging, but he's good and overwhelming people form a distance in the first place. Also you need to git gud with his EX moves too

>>384716684
Not him but literally just jumping will avoid many attacks since it has i-frames. It might seem kind of awkward at first but it's very effective.

Every move on the jump button has i-frames infact.

>>384716993
Oh really? I'm gonna try jumping more then

>>384716989
Yeah, when I can close in quickly I usually can beat enemies without taking a hit, but if some enemy manages to attack me, I usually end up getting hit.

>>384716684
Once you buy table hopper your roll gets better if you time it well.