Find a flaw How is it still the undisputed GOAT after all those

>>384682161
>Have you ever gone to a tournament?
>Going to a tournament for a non-fighting game

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>>384682161
The fanbase is trash.

>>384682292
Why do SFbabbies who suck at smash always say this? It's funny how fans of the inferior, simpler game always act so smug about it.

>>384682392
T b h Nintendo is dumb for not releasing a Wii U version of melee with some sloppy online component. It would be like printing money.

>>384682395
Have you ever played Street Fighter? It's so simple that it gives you brain damage.

>>384682392
How is shitposting at the garbage that is kotaku bad?

>>384682161
I enjoyed playing it when I was younger with my brother and uncle. Good memories. Don't see people would keep playing it for the past decade or so though. If you wanted something competitive, why not just play fighting games? They're pretty fun and challenging.

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>Many characters aren't fit for competitive play and don't have the tools for the chance of ever winning a significant tournament besides locals
>Solved game, where nobody will ever pierce the top 8 of majors besides the top 16 players or if they all grow old/retire
>Phantom hits and MANY other glitches
>Missing many of the QoL improvements other installments brought to the table

Don't get me wrong it's still an amazing game but don't try to pretend that watching the top 8 of tournaments is in any way enjoyable

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>>384682161
>who do you main?
Fox, not because of his top tier status but because he's fast and feels good to play, I swear.
>have you gone to any tournaments? Only to a weekly local, lost to a forward smashing Falco because I forgot Shield-grabbing was a thing

>>384682701
High level Melee has a higher skill ceiling than any other fighting game. In fact, it's so deep and complicated that new stuff is discovered everyday. Back in 2002 the metagame was equal to that of normal fighters. These day it's just in another world.

>>384682489
Can the WiiU or Switch even run on CRTs? If they can't, I really doubt it would ever take off. Pros won't want to have to play on TVs with frame delay.

>>384682781
Watch last EVO's m2k vs Leffen.

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>>384682161
>How is it still the undisputed GOAT after all those years?

Why wouldn't it be with a creator who hates is fans and intentionally sabotaged the sequels?

I'm not a Meleefag and have never entered a real Smash tourney in my life, but even as someone who only plays for fun, it's blatant that Brawl and 4's slower, floatier playstyle is a straight downgrade from what we had in 64, Melee, and even PM.

>>384682392
Anti-melee shitposters are easily the most autistic, unskilled and ignorant base on /v/. They're shit at videogames.

>>384682921
Why does he hate Melee so much?

>"pros" need to cheat with mechanically altered controllers
>goat

>>384682392
cause nintendo understands that this game is dead and the devs of smash know how to make a better smash, if these rainmen want to keep fucking this same dead cat, let them do it

>>384682489
Really think the melee community is big enough it would even be worth porting? Plus aren't the melee people super autistic? They'd probably piss and moan about every little thing no matter how small

>>384683053
Because people started playing it "the wrong way".

>>384682850
do melee players actually believe this

>>384682161
the mechanics are pretty clunky and awkward from a casual standpoint. hard to go back after learning advanced tech.
some...questionable stage design (icicle mountain, mute city, brinstar depths)
lack of balance
awful obnoxious fanbase (somehow still not as bad as half of the fgc)
stagnant competitive scene (5-10 top players and no one is catching up)
i love the game, but you cant deny it is flawed.
smash 4 and 64 are much better at being a party game, and in some aspects, a competitive game. brawl has better singleplayer content, graphics, music, and stages.

>>384682850
that's just a testament to how autistic nintendo fanboys are

Smash is a party game. Not a fighting game

>>384683059
Do you mean those slotted controllers? Those are a meme.

>>384682161
this game is shit, OP is a faggot

>>384682829
>Only to a weekly local, lost to a forward smashing Falco because I forgot Shield-grabbing was a thing

Forgetting about something so basic.

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>>384682489
>competitve party gamefags unironically believe this

>>384682161
the developers gave up after making this

>>384683105
It's actually true you know.

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>>384683134
>smash 4 and 64 are much better at being a party game,
Brawl is better than all three at that, Melee is better than 64 and 4 at being a party game though, the items in 4 are one shot bs and 64 is outdated. Melee and Brawl are the perfect party games, if only brawl wasnt shit in every other way.

>>384683165
>d-doesn't count!!!
lol

>>384682781
Don't talk about what's a solved game and what isn't if you're too stupid to look up how phantom hits work.

>>384683327
well what was discovered today then?

>>384683165
>admits that it's a superior and deeper game
>writes it off because of the marketing
ahahahahahahahaha
>MOMMY LOOK AT ME I'M A BIG BOY I USE AN ARCADE STICK AAH

>>384683059
Not as bad as custom arcade sticks, though.

>>384683339
the stages and clunky mechanics make it worse though. you cant just say "64 is outdated" and not say melee is outdated. the "one-shot" bs is easily avoidable (except for that dumbass fucking wind blowing weapon fuck that shit), plus the stages in 4 are great outside of the boss stages (which are like...2 or 3 of them out of like 40)
4 also has some great mechanics for casual play. it is slower than melee and slightly slower than 64, but not too slow like brawl.

Hey guys I came from Reddit

>>384683059
Meanwhile dipshits pay up to hundreds of dollars for "pro" controllers. But yeah, Melee players are retarded for paying a neckbeard at their local 5 bucks to carve a couple notches into their controller.

>>384683339
>if only brawl wasnt shit in every other way.

What's what P:M is for

Why are M2K and Armada always so autistic about their comtrollers? Does it really matter that much?

>>384682161
>Find a flaw

It's not a fighting game, it's not balanced like a fighting game, and the only way to play the game competitively is to ban virtually every stage and every character other than Fox.

The AI is coded like shit and uses input scan instead of strategy, all the single-player modes "challenge" the player with increasingly artificially difficult obstacles that involve handicaps in favor of the AI, and too many characters are just reskins of other characters who share the same movesets.

>>384683165
>Smash is not a fighting game
>That's why Smash games have been on the main stage at EVO for five years running, has listings on SRK and EventHubs, and also appears at several other FGC events such as CEO, Final Round, and many more
Like I don't fucking get it, no matter how much Reddit cries and shits its pants Smash has been at EVO longer than 80% of the games that have been showcased there. It's a fighting game, and nobody thinks you're cool for being a contrarian

>>384683727
Most of this reskin characters work completely differently, though. Falco and Fox are ostensibly the same but don't play alike at all.

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FACT: The best competitive games of all time are ALWAYS complete accidents.

Melee, Broodwar, etc. wouldn't be anywhere near as great if they weren't so blatantly exploitable.

>>384682850
>it's so deep and complicated that new stuff is discovered everyday

By "new stuff," you mean new glitches that aren't supposed to be there in the first place. There's nothing "deep" about SSBM's mechanics, it's just a poorly coded game with shit physics that are easily broken.

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>stagnant community which is also full of autistic fuckwits
>less than half the roster is viable
>only stages played are battlefield or slight variations of battlefield
>ai outright cheats

People won't let the game die off and help Nintendo improve future releases.

>>384683826
>Most of this reskin characters work completely differently, though

They're reskins. They have copy-and-paste movesets with slightly tweaked hitboxes or damage output. The point is that this is lazy development, especially when it occurs with such frequency as it does in the Smash series.

Imagine if half the roster in a Street Fighter game did this. No one would take the game seriously. Why does Smash get a free pass on this kind of lazy character implementation when it's supposedly a "fighting" game? It should be held to the standards of other fighting games. But it's not a fighting game, it's a party game.

>>384683835
Its true, combos in fighting games were glitches at first.

On a personal level I find the idea of serious competitive Smash play quite appalling, but I rather like how those Melee fans stick to their old game and don't mindlessly abandon it for the newer installments which seems to be the standard in other fighting game franchises.

is there any hope for a new player break top 8

>>384684948
To be fair, Melee plays differently from other Smash games. Unlike most fighters where the mechanics and methods are pretty similar, Melee is different from every other Smash game and every Smash game is different from each other.

Melee is more like Marvel vs Capcom while Smash 4 is more like Street Fighter

>>384685283
explain

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>>384682161
Melee is going to get a TRUE successor in only a few months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HVdoDlsN-A

>>384682392
Hungry Box is literally retarded for quitting his job to play VIDEO GAMES and then demand he be paid for it.

>>384685283
The only thing I remember from playing Brawl is how disappointingly similar to Melee it seemed. I guess a lot of the differences come from the "unintended" aspects of Melee which a casual like myself never exploited?

>>384682850
>New stuff is discovered every day!
>trash tier character moves up one tier from "total ass" to just "ass"

>>384685362
Melee is much more faster and complex but yet isn't as focused and unbalanced like Marvel vs Capcom and anime fighters

Smash 4 while a lot more simplistic and slower, has a heavy focus on the neutral game and footsies/spacing. Its a lot more closer to Tekken and Street Fighter to how they handle it's fighters.

64 is a weird anomaly because it has the touch of death aspect like Marvel but has a good neutral game.


Brawl is way too much of a mess to judge. Its like a Netherrelms fighter but way worst in certain aspect but just as fun as a casual game.
TL;DR
>64: Marvel vs Capcom
>Melee: Guilty Gear/BlazBlue
>Brawl: Mortal Kombat/Injustice
>Smash 4: Street Fighter/Tekken

>>384684029
>caring about AI in fighting game
you're the true scum here

It's old as fuck and people still think its worth trying to keep around, so what it had the best shit I see no other game series fighting or not have its fan base stuck so far into the past even new Vegas fans aren't as bad as you guys

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>smash is a competitive game

>>384682161

Solved game that needs an HD version with balance changes or meleefags need to move on

post yfw smash prize pool will never go above 50k

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>>384682161
melees competitive scene is about exploiting glitches in maps, characters and hitboxes

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>>384682161
only viable characters
>>384683064
lets be honest here. They dont support melee because smash having a high skill ceilling is againts what they made smash in the first plast.
>>384683339
>if only brawl wasnt shit in every other way.
it tried and got killed for that.
>>384682781
>don't try to pretend that watching the top 8 of tournaments is in any way enjoyable
Watch Genesis Leffen vs Mang0. Shit was hype

>>384682829
>falcos significantly taller
nice

>>384682781
But we just had an awesome top 8 at EVO

>>384682850
I notice this got no arguments against it, probably because so few people play a variety of fighters to know if it's true or not.

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>>384682161
Great game plagued with the most horrendous fanbase where 99% consists of streamboars who shitpost and dickride the game to infinity.
The remaining 1% are out there actually playing the game.

>>384682850
you really don't know what youre talking about. two people to people hitting eachother on a 2-d plane can only be so varied.

in the case that this isn't bait, here's my final thoughts about: seems like you just casually played sf2/4 and didn't like the simplicity and movement

>>384686796
>the GOAT

hasn't won shit in years.
hungrybox is the GOAT and we all know it.

What the fuck is Leffen's problem? He's like real life Gary Oak.

>>384683807
Reminder that Mario Kart has been at evo

If hungrybox wasnt around, imagine how much better top 8 would be. He almost always guarantees either a victory or a grand final vs armada. Even if it isn't armada its going to be a campy boring fox.

>>384687313
It'd suck. Hbox and Puff bring a unique presence and dynamic. He's a shark in the bracket that keeps everyone else on their toes. It'd just be better if he and Armada were a tiny tiny bit less consistent so it'd be less guaranteed for them.

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>>384687174
he won Royal Flushs and Big House againts Armada (the Boat) just to get beat by him at EVO. The Goat is just one of his many titles like the kid or the buster.
>Hbox is the Goat
hell no. I like Hbox but much of his gamestyle and his attitude are againts melee and way more similar to how sm4sh and brawl play.

>>384687205
If he was actually Gary Oak he would lose to Armada every time since Gary loses to Red every time he fights him

>>384682161
I wish it could be played online with a lot of players playing it. Damn it´s probably the best game ever made

>>384687790
Netplay, anon. Visit Anther's Ladder.

>>384687750
Leffen usually chokes. And then he tries to make his controller wavedash.

>>384687963
But i have to download, get a controller etc etc. Isn´t that alot of work?

>>384682161
You know, I've always loved Melee, and its one of my favorite games, but after Icons, and witnessing the autistic depths of the fanbase firsthand, I've really grown to dislike both a whole lot.

>>384688302
Not at all. Just torrent the iso on tpb. The software on Anther's is downloaded and installed in minutes. If you already have a Gamecube controller you can buy a PC adapter. Theoretically you could use any controller you have to play the game as long as you hook it up to your pc and set it up in Dolphin (which takes less than a minute).
By tge way, remember to use the Dolphin version you downloaded from Anther's.

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>>384682850
Someone needs to make one of these, for posts like this.

>>384688541
Man this sounds nice. How many people are usually online I mean how big is the playerbase

>>384688634
Quite large. There will always be a few people from your region and skill level online. If you're in the US you'll be absolutely surrounded by players who live close to you and if you're in Europe there will be slightly fewer people but still more than enough.
Don't know about the playerbase outside of those areas. Region is important because of ping.

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>>384685480
I still can't help but laugh at how autistic this is.

>>384687521
That's an interesting perspective I hadn't thought of. Less consistency would make the top 8's much more varied.

>>384682161
GOAT party game sure

>>384682161
>Find a flaw
Oh jeez there's so much.
How about the fact that a bunch of characters are actually broken in many ways.
As in parts of their moveset literally don't work.

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>>384682392
>https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017/jun/20/nintendo-responds-recent-call-out-top-smash-bros-player/
>"What we’re doing—and our take on this space is we want to encourage the community," Reggie told >Kotaku. "We want to enable them to put on tournaments and to have fun and for the players themselves to participate in these types of situations. That’s our view of this space.”
>“Look, we love Hungrybox,” Fils-Aimé said. “We had him in our tournaments. There is a passion in the Smash Bros. community which is fantastic. When he talks about lack of support, I’m not quite sure what he’s alluding to.”
Is there any man more based than Reggie to treat such a beloved & revered player like the whiny manchild he really is?

>>384685480
>I can tell which Melee characters I'm looking at based on the animations
kek

Are Smash groupies a thing? Does m2k tear it up? I can imagine them being really autistic rockstars.

fucking garbage.

>>384682161
marth and yes.

a better question: why are marth mains such smart, knowledgeable, and cool people?

>>384689445
there's plenty of stories about zero's gang of cock gobbling fanboys terrorizing people at the tournaments

>>384689786
You faggits would be smart if you tools actually learned the neutral game instead of cheesing spacies and complaining about losing even to favorable MU against Falcon,Sheik, and Jiggs.

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>>384690362
Listen don't get mad just because you can't understand our divine, cosmic intelligence

>treating smash like a fighting game
l
o
l

>>384683105
It's true fgc.uck

>>384687070
PLATFORM fighter. It's more than 2d idiot.

>>384688560
Saying new shit is discovered everyday is a hyperbole but Melee is probably the most complex fighter out there, FGC friends have never been able to disprove it.

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>>384691160
It think you need to play more fighting games senpai.

>>384682292
>Biggest fighting game tournament host it and it pulls in a lot of money and top views
Really activates my brain cells

>>384682850
The first line is true.
The rest is just bait.

>>384691993
Is that an actual match? Looks like TAS

>>384685283
>Melee is more like Marvel vs Capcom
Please don't insult Melee so badly.

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>>384692254
Actual match.

>>384682161
Wavescooting

>>384684403
Falco plays completely different to Fox though. They're not comparable at all.

>>384692821
So it's a TAS.

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>>384692992
This year's EVO buddy.

>>384693048
>no overlay

Will GGfags ever stop shitposting?

>>384692821
youtube link?

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>>384682161
>Be decent at melee, play anther netplay for a while
>Never been to a tourney
>Friend convinces me to go to one with him
>Step inside
>Me and friend are 2 of the 5 non overweight people there
>Entire venue smells like body odor
>Nobody knows how to cut their hair
never again

>>384682161
It's old as shit and there's nothing left to uncover. The developers want the games to be Mario Kart, but unlike that series all my normalfag friends still can't compete with me in Smash worth shit. They still think every fighting game, and they do think of Smash as a fighting game, is the same fucking thing. So they just made the game less fun for no reason. Anyone who claims that Melee wasn't intentionally made to be the faster and more competitive game when Sakurai has said as much on multiple occasions is a faggot who was ten when Brawl came out and now feels the need to defend their childhood. I acknowledge that not all the tech was intentional but never even dabbled in that shit so it doesn't matter to me.

So long as characters have different move sets and there are neutral stages, the high skill players will find a way to be better than us, so why bother with making the game more boring?

>>384693048
Nigga I hate Smash as much as you but these GG webm's clearly aren't real matches there's no time limit in any of them

>>384692821
>actual match
>infinite time

Stop being dumb.

The flaw is that most of the players refuse to shower, I've been to multiple tournaments (locals to majors) and it's no wonder why they have such a stigma.

>>384682850
no

>>384682161
>Find a flaw
Way too many clones. I'm not complaining about the roster choices, but it was a pretty annoying issue. Gameplay issues aside, the roster was the only thing that consistently improved throughout the series (or kept at a reasonably equal level of quality between brawl and 4).

>who i mained
Ganondorf. Still do in later games.

It should not receive support by anyone besides its niche players and self organized tourneys.

No matter how many people claim 3s is the best SF, capcom does not support it, nor should they. It's outdated, it makes them no money, and the playerbase ONLY shrinks. Same thing with GGXXAC. Communities move on to the newest game even when they are worse, and if the company actually knows how to make fighting games, they won't really be THAT much worse.

>>384693153
>Nobody knows how to cut their hair
Hey fuck you.

I'm clean shaven, wear clean clothes and deodorant, fucking suck at Melee, but don't you dare insult people who can actually take care of their hair.

>>384682781
>Many characters aren't fit for competitive play and don't have the tools for the chance of ever winning a significant tournament besides locals

This one isn't even unique to Melee tho.

>>384693385
>>384693312
>>384693091
I just wanted an excuse to post all the webms, desu.

I like Smash, but I have found many Smashfags who shitpost about it it being the most technical and the very best have never played ANY Guilty Gear:

https://youtu.be/0yvFNEWWVIU

>>384691160
Melee isn't complex. It's just tiring to spam glitches. And the reason they are "gods" in that game is because Asians have no intention on playing Melee.

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>>384694060

I gave up on Melee and I'm having exponentially more fun learning 64 Fox but >tfw no way to play anyone on the East Coast in 64

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>>384693940
I feel that analog tech is harder on the premise of it being analog.
I do play GG, but I main Potemkin.

I still find it baffling that autistic obsessive meelefags actually belive that Nintendo should release a hd version of a game that is two times vastly obsolete and has a current version out right now.
It's not even like Brawl where there's the subspace emissary, Melee has nothing it's obsolete in every respect
>inb4 muh glitches

>>384685676
>has a girlfriend
>makes tens of thousands of dollars making video games
>loser somehow

vs

>posts bad bait on /v/
>permavirgin
>clearly an alpha male, gaizz

>>384691993
Nothing shown here more technical than Melee senpai

>>384683085
>Plus aren't the melee people super autistic
Not as much as you'd think based off the constant shit posting about them. People that like Braw and Sm4sh just don't have any arguments as to how they're better than Melee, so they just try to point all Merle fans as autistic wavedashers, even though most fans don't take the game that far.

>>384694901
Mashing the L button like a spaz to cancel your landing lag is not more technical than knowing when to save your roman cancels for when you most need them, needing to choose between them and a burst, having to distinguish between high and low attacks and overheads to block accordingly, and choosing whether to block attacks, or intercept them with your own. In addition to having to memorize the various combos your character has

>>384695253
half of that shit's on melee, anon. And every other fighting game, for that matter.

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>live in New Jersey
>nothing but Meleefags and 4fags as far as the eye can see in terms of locals
>no other fighting games ever get played
>would have to move out of NJ and into the trash pit that is California just to get some day-to-day Street Fighter lag-free and head-to-head
I dunno what it is about the East Coast that attracts so many Smashfags, but it sickens me. It's fun to play with friends and items and wacky stages and all that, but competitive 24/7 play is straight up disgusting.

>>384694901
>Smash has no footsies or okizeme, and the push of a button blocks everything simplifying defense
>more technical than GG
ok...

>>384695432
Melee has Roman cancels, combo bursts and high/low blocking?

Since when?

>>384695253
>le I am so good I can press all these buttons in order

>>384695525
That's a pretty stupid thing to say. I can say that GG has no recovery or ledge system so it's less complex than Melee.
>>384695605
>having to distinguish between high and low attacks and overheads to block accordingly, and choosing whether to block attacks, or intercept them with your own. In addition to having to memorize the various combos your character has

>>384695525
>>Smash has no footsies or okizeme, and the push of a button blocks everything simplifying defense
Wrong

>>384695451
>It's fun to play with friends

Just about everything is fun with friends, there's a reason no one plays Online FFA with randos in Smash4

>>384684403
Ryu has 2 reskins

>>384682292

The debate over whether or not melee is a "fighting" game is for simpletons. It indisputably is a more complex and technical game than the vast majority of fighters.

>>384695525
>no footsies
The fuck?
>okizeme
Yes it has oki game, what the fuck.
That guy you replied to is a retard but so are you.

>>384685794
They're nothing alike at all.

>>384694060
>Hundreds of Tournament level Japanese Players
>Thousands of faggots on /v/ posting misinformed bait

>>384687248
Side tournaments don't count retard

>>384683053
Because Melee's development destroyed him. It also has to do with Sakurai's ego - his little custom team "Sora" are all filled with yes-men. HAL Laboratories was largely responsible for Melee's advanced mechanics and programming. They got the game together in an incredible amount of time.

>>384682886

There wouldn't be frame delay on a port dumb dumb. The frame delay comes from the relation of the GameCube to HDTVs, not Melee's relation to it.

>>384695668
Yeah, you don't do that in Smash, you block anything coming your way, or sidestep a grab. The bubble shield covers attacks from all directions.

>>384696249
>the bubble covers attacks from all directions
What are shield stabs?

>>384696249
When the bubble isn't full you have to angle the bubble hi/low/forward which is more difficult than simple hi/low blocking

>>384692254
No it doesn't.

>>384696249
Actually not really, assuming your shield is at max it would be easy to block everything but it decreases in size, after like 1 second of shielding it's possible for the other player to "poke" your shield by hitting you where the shield doesn't cover you, in Melee it's common to tilt the stick while shielding because it moves your shield a little, thus stopping blocks from happening.

I wouldn't call it harder, just different. it's definitely harder to successfully poke a shield than doing an overhead mix up, though.

>>384682850

>new stuff is discovered every day

When was the last time the tier list was changed?

>>384685480
This looks like bootleg shit.

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>>384682921
I don't understand it. I can understand making things easier, lord knows I don't want to break my fingers doing movement. But I can't understand why someone would intentionally add mechanics to gimp better players. It doesn't help since the better player will always win. It just makes it more boring to play

Project M is better.

>>384682392
>push us
I unironically don't even know what that means

>>384696552
Last year

>>384683134
>stagnant competitive scene (5-10 top players and no one is catching up)

This is a testament to how amazingly deep the game is though.

>>384696397
>>384696491
Except shields recover so fast this genuinely doesn't ever matter.

>>384683165
It's a party game that is more competitive and difficult to play than every fighting game you know. Your casual mind will never understand why though.

>>384696771
Except shields degrade quickly so it does matter

>>384696771
That really doesn't matter when you will be shielding pressure for over a second in neutral anyway. Marth doing Fair fair in your shield can then do a dtilt to poke your shield in a similar way you can block high and then get hit by a low in fighting games. Since shield stun exists it's totally possible.

>>384683727
>and the only way to play the game competitively is to ban virtually every stage and every character other than Fox

Lol? Why say things that are just blatantly false. The two top players right now use Peach and Jigglypuff.

>>384689291

Especially since autismbox was referring to them putting money in like other companies

>>384695451
>would have to move out of NJ and into the trash pit that is California
Sorry, we don't want dirty Jerseys here

>>384696249
You have a lot to learn if you wanna git gud senpai. It amuses me how 90% of Melee haters know absolutely nothing about the competitive level of the game.

>>384682489
>they release a port
>it's the euro version that balances fox and they fix glitches like wavedashing
I'd laugh so hard

>>384691993
Looks significantly less technical than high level Melee.

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>>384697343
>fix glitches like wavedashing

>>384696675
he probably means advertising, financial support, official tournaments with LODS OF EMONE prizes, stuff like that

>>384697771
Ok my b, fix exploits involving the shitty, buggy engine

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>>384682161
unbalanced filth
>people being actually proud that fox and falco are better than the rest of the roster

>>384695057
More characters more moves better ai not buggy more stages more items looks better final smashes

I don't play this game, but if you can jab, kick, and even have sword on sword combat how in the fuck is it not a fighting game made for anyone to enjoy? Is that just a meme?

>>384698064
Gameplay trumps all.

>>384682161
it needs a roster update and small balance update godfuck it

>>384697771
>defending exploits

>>384698135
>More moves

>>384698225
What moves?
Also
>More moves = better gameplay

>>384697972
Unless they remove directional airdodges or add some much friction that no one can slide, they can't get rid of wavedash. Why do retards who don't play Melee or know anything about how smash works in general think you can just patch out wavedashing?

>>384698373
they don't have to remove it
they can just nerf it to a point where its useless
like adding a cooldown after use

FGC always show themselves to be retarded casuals. So far there hasn't been one Melee-hater ITT that actually knows anything about the game.

>>384698216
Yea so fighting games should just patch out combos right?

>>384698064
>not buggy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM0Y1VfYq1A

>>384682781
>Phantom hits and MANY other glitches

phantom hits aren't glitches, it's an intended mechanic. You think something can give half damage without it being specifically programmed to do so?

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>>384698019
no one is proud of it, anon

>>384698706
>Yea so fighting games should just patch out combos right?
combos that are broken and break the flow?
yeah these need to be patched out

>>384698019

They aren't though.

>>384698840
you'd be surprissed on how many people do
frogposter

>>384682161
Not a fighting game

>>384684403
>why does Smash get a free pass on this kind of lazy character implementation

because it was made in less than a year and not intended to be a fighting game.

SM4SH was a decent contender, but SSBM came with a skill curve that's been actively abandoned by nintendo ever since.

It's pretty astonishing. SSBB was a knee jerk reaction to SSBM's skill curve, and SSBB is the undisputed worst trash in the series.

>>384698563
That'd just make air dodge as a whole useless then. Instead of being some autistic retards who hates the way some people play the game, and want to change it simply to spite them, why not just make WD easier to do?

>>384698980
Sm4sh was in development for like 3 years tho.

>>384699103
>encouraging more WD
thats even worse

>>384682161

I main Falcon. He's so fast.

I've been to several locals (one big local, WTFox) and I've driven to Michigan for TBH4. Tons of fun. My close friends that I grew up with have always played Melee, so we all throw down at least once a month. Otherwise, there are two weekly gatherings in my city that I know about.

>>384695253
>Mashing the L button like a spaz to cancel your landing lag

It's actually really nice when you prove you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about so early so I don't have to bother.

>>384695525
>Smash has no footsies or okizeme, and the push of a button blocks everything simplifying defense

It's actually really nice when you prove you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about so early so I don't have to bother.

>>384696249
Holy shit dude.

This is why no-one ever takes you people seriously. You literally have absolutely no amount of even the most entry-level experience to Melee at even a casual level and every subsequent thing that you say betrays your lack of knowledge more and more and more.

>>384682781

A phantom hit is when your attack isn't close enough to their hurt box. Think of it as a grazing blow. No knockback and only half damage. I thought that was pretty cool once I learned about it.

>>384699415
Wavedashing actually adds depth to the game so fuck off

>>384687557
>against melee
people actually think this way

How is it against melee to have a polarized play-style? Hbox has only ever contributed to melee and its meta with his methods

>>384699774
>a broken exploit adds more deph to the game

>>384699729
In smash4 there is a visual effect for this a tiny spark at the point of contact.

>>384699847
brood war, arguably the most technical and difficult game to play of ALL time, is only so difficult due to the bugs. if you are actually going to argue that starcraft is a game that doesn't have depth added due to problems with the game, a game which was literally a national sport in korea, then you are too retarded too even converse with.

>>384699847
Combos in street fighter were a "broken exploit". Most great game mechanics were more happened upon than they were meticulously invented.

>>384682886
>Can the WiiU or Switch even run on CRTs?
My Wii U is connected to a CRT

>>384696230
>There wouldn't be frame delay on a port dumb dumb.
All LCDs lag

>>384696552

I don't care. The characters that people play in melee are fun as hell. I'm sorry that Yoshi sucks, anon. I won't judge you if you play another smash.

>>384699847
I'd be happy with removing it if the movement wouldn't be total shit without it

>>384682161

>Find a flaw

Olimar isn't in the game.

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>>384699847
>Combos in SF2 didn't add more depth
>Strafe jumping and Rocket Jumping didn't add more depth to quake

>>384700106
Have you never seen amsa's Yoshi?

>>384698064
>more characters
There are more characters and stages in Mortal Kombat Armageddon than there are in Mortal Kombat 9, so I guess it's batter game then right? Wrong you stupid faggot.

>>384700020

Not all LCDs. The majority of smash 4 tournaments happen on wide screens. You just need a moniter with a competitive refresh rate.

>>384700307

Amsa is truly a hidden boss.

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>>384682161
>find a flaw
It's been the same top 8 for the past 10 years. Just let it die.

>>384700585
Yes all LCDs. Higher refresh rate doesn't matter because the console and game do not output at those refresh rates.

>moniter

>>384700669
Not so much hidden ever since he beat m2k a couple years back. He put on an incredible performance at Evo this year too.

>>384700860

Why do people play on monitors at Evo, then? I haven't seen smash 4 on any kind of CRT before.

>>384682161
The flaw is that it's not a fighting game and is a children's party game.

>>384701051

Because melee players are the only ones autistic enough to care.

>>384682161
The ledge.

I've been playing for three years, I can go toe to toe with the top players in my scene and now I'm pretty much bored of the game.

My goal when I started playing was to be able to beat top players in my region. Now I'm there and I can say thay the journey was much more fulfilling than the destination.

>>384682392
>Hbox says fuck nintendo in desperate attempt to make people like him for once

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Does he post on /v/?

>>384682161
This game is for virgins. It's for idiots that are stuck playing cutesy Nintendo trash, grow some balls you autists. I played this shit seriously when I was like 12 lmaoo. You're stuck playing a game from 2002 cause it's the last great game Nintendo released and nintenbros will be nintenbros but frankly there have been insanely better fighting games since then.

Someone help me, I can't stop mashing A to escape combos as Luigi.

>>384701784
He's weird and out of touch enough to somehow have never heard of 4chan. I think he once said he didn't discover reddit until 2013 or something.

>>384683835
>Broodwar
Wtf r u on about? The only real exploit in Broodwar was stacking scv and many people considered that cheating

>>384682161
>Marth's grab range
https://youtu.be/XaJyZ7lmHiM

>>384701984
Practice SDI. Its so good for green mario.

Who's going to make a dreamhack thread?

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>>384691993
which turn-based flash game is this?

When will the mid tiers are bad meme die? I'm not saying they are great but with socal having a history of mario bros players in their power rankings and top 50 players like abate and axe I don't see how people still almost never acknowledge that mid tiers are even decent.

>>384698019
actually, melee is so good that you can literally make a character go from bottom to top tier if you put a shit ton of hours into them

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>>384702781
Not to mention some of the best characters can be walloped by pretty much everyone if you have better neutral.

>>384702781
Name a single competitive kirby who has won anything, I'll wait.

>>384702954
name a competitive kirby that actually put the hours in and isn't japanese

>>384703092
i think the amount of hours needed to win a major with kirby are beyond one's lifespan

>>384702781
The surest sign of a shitter is the idea that anyone above them is a god who can make anything viable if they put enough effort in

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>>384682161
This wins tournaments

anyone on ec want to netplay or netplays during the week?

>>384702954
Kirby's not won anything; but, the one kirby player that there is (Triple R, a midwest player; and thus effectively a guy who lives in the middle of nowhere) has reached 65th place at multiple super majors.

The tier list certainly matters, but it's not quite as simple of a deciding factor as its made out to be. Playstyles, strategy, and overall matchup experience are far, far more important in competitive melee than anything else (as it should be, really).

>>384682392
He wants Nintendo to pump money into a sixteen-year old game?

>>384703439
It's true to a point. You can win a game of melee with virtually any character provided you

A: Have more matchup experience than your opponent
B: Know your opponent's playstyle enough to counter it with said character's tools
C: Have a playstyle that counters your opponent inherently
D: Are sufficiently superior with respect to general experience to the point of ensuring a combination of a, b, or c.

The issue with characters like kirby or bowser isn't that they cannot win at all; it's that they're inadequately designed to handle everything (playstyle-wise or even character option-wise) effectively. You can take a game off anyone (hell, Mango's taken a game off Armada's peach with mario before), but the bottom rung of the cast simply does not generally have the toolset to ensure consistency in that respect.

>>384696771
This isn't true at all for a sizable portion of the cast. Shine alone ensures notable shield degradation when applied well.


Hell, characters like pikachu generally cannot shield much of anything without angling it to prevent shieldstabs.

>>384695057
There are plenty of arguments to be made as to why someone would think Smash 4 is better than Melee. For instance, the balance in Smash 4 is far and away better than the vomit shitfest present in Melee.

>>384682161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEA9QSM1BUU

Keep the change.

Stop defending this shit

>>384693879
It's more true in Melee more than any other Smash game besides Brawl.

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>>384682161
Why do nintenbros say this about every nintendo game.

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>>384685806

Remember when Link was the best?

>>384707235
You didn't list a flaw anon
>an idiot won't know he's an idiot unless you explain why
-Confucius

>>384682489
>T b h Nintendo is dumb for not releasing a Wii U version of melee with some sloppy online component. It would be like printing money.
No it wouldn't because Meleefags love to bitch and they'd bitch about that.

>>384701784
I remember hearing he stopped coming here because people were "mean" to him.

>>384701814
Your bait was almost convincing, but you referred to Melee as a fighting game, the shit posters don't do that.

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>>384707391
Why so defensive anon, I barely said anything about your party game.

Honestly why are nintenbros so assblasted when their zoldo or melee isn't considered GOTYEYOMFGBBQxD like they delude themselves into it being.

>>384685480
0:44

Instantly knew that was Marth.

>>384694590
It has the best content and the best gameplay.

That said, Melee HD would be an absolute fucking disaster.

>>384707946
I wanna lick her feet.

>>384682392
>W-WHY DON'T NINTENDO SEE MY SKILLZ AS AN ACTUAL SPORT PLAYER AND PAY ME?!
And this is why i hate e-sports. people who play in them really don't care that much about playing vidya, they just want the fucking pay check for playing games all day.

>>384707946
>that Zaku case
I'm jelly

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>>384706979

>>384689786
Marth mains are shit. Just look at how they cried when they learned that Marth might potentially be unviable for at least ONE smash game in Smash 4. Meanwhile Zelda has always been shit since her inclusion into Smash.

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>>384687070
>sf2
>simple

what in the fuck? super turbo is INCREDIBLY complex. far more than modern fighting games.

Meleefags only care about balance when it hits one of their autistic top-tier characters.

>>384682161
I main Falco.
I played on a team tournament once in high school.
It was a school tournament.

We lost to the team that went on to win.

The problem is, when I play by myself I pause a lot to think , so I was pausing every 5 seconds and it pissed them off.

>>384708528
Is that any different from getting paychecks or playing sports for 2 hours a week?

>>384685480
Why the fuck do all of them have a rod d-tilt

>>384709438
*roy

>was maining Dr Mario because I'm a faggot hipster
>he's actually terrible with no real combo game outside of throw-smash
>up-b OOS is basically impossible to pull off
time for fox and autism, waveshine combos here I come

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Smash is not a fighting game. It was literally designed and intended as a party game by the fucking developer himself. Does that mean it CAN'T be PLAYED as a fighting game? No. It's that simple retards.

>>384709962
It's not like the designated genre has any effect on the gameplay

>>384709962
>looks like a duck
>quacks like a duck
>swims like a duck
>it's mother calls it "quack"
Obviously it's a quack, not a duck.

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>buy a football
>play basketball with it

>>384682161
>who do you main
>only one viable character

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>>384710276
You can bounce a football enough to play basketball with it.

Hey guys I come tumblr

>>384682161
Horrible AI
Glitches
Balance issues

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>>384682161
>Main

GANONNNNDORF

Been practicing with Falco though

>have you been to a tournament

Yes. Only one. It was a lot of fun and it also sucked ass at the same time. I live in Midwest so there isn't too many tournaments that are convenient for me to go to. Went to one.

>round 1
>up against wheelchair kid that plays link
>bop him 2 games. He was very new
>round 2
>up against a younger kid
>he was very good and he mained fox/marth
>managed to take one game off of him which made me feel nice
>he asked if I had a tag and where I play
>so I get knocked to losers
>they never call my name
>I get disqualified for not being at my match

Looking forward to going to a few more tournaments. Even though the last one ended rather unfortunately I really enjoyed the friendlies and games I got to play.

haha can't wait until either all controllers, all GC's or all Melee copies are broken or unusable :)

Meleefags are fucked in the head.

>>384685974
>fighting game

nah you're the scum bud.

>>384709234
This must be bait. Nobody can actually be this autistic.

>>384709234
fake news

>>384682161
These ones
https://youtu.be/fdoKFvT14nY

Let's get some shit straight here faggots.

1. Melee is arguably the highest skill cap game of all time. It has more depth and longevity than any other competitive game save for maybe quake and starcraft. Your OPINION on what genre it is is irrelevant. You can call it a party game, and it certainly can be played as one, but that's irrelevant. If it is indeed a party game, then a party game is one of the most difficult and deep games ever made, more so than any "fighting" game. You all seem to have this idea that being labeled a "fighting game" is what qualifies a game as being competively viable. The truth is that every game can range from low skill cap to high, regardless of what genre. You might as well argue that counter strike isn't competitive because it's not a fighting game, which is obviously beyond retardation. My opinion is that Melee is a 2D Platforming fighter, which can be played at a highly competitive level, or as a wacky party game. The game does both which is a testament to it's greatness.

2. If you think that only the top tier characters are viable, you're a scrub and need to git gud. About half of the characters are competively viable, and even further if you want to push the limits. Yes, obviously there is a tier list and matchup favorability, but this always, ALWAYS, is secondary to your technique as a player, your skill, and strategy. A top level player will always beat a low level player regardless of the matchup.

3. Smash 4 Project M fucking when?

Only flaw I see is that it doesn't keep melee fags more contained be happy with what you got and let other fags play what they want

>>384713428
Tl;dr
Nice blogpost bro
Also, you're cancer.

>>384682850
>"High level Melee has a higher skill ceiling than any other fighting game"
>said by the community that cannot even do a shoryuken
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>384713916
Nice projection

>>384714270
>mashing buttons in Melee takes more skill that playing Mishimas!
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>384713753
>anon btfo of faggots being autistic about what genre Melee is
B-blog post! Hahaha...

>>384709962
>people won't shut up about the one time he called it just party game
>never mention the multiple times he said he wanted to make a fighting game that is more like a party game
also this >>384710121

>>384689291

>hbox

>beloved and revered

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>>384712790
>Thats a bad dragon

>>384713428
>Melee is arguably the highest skill cap game of all time

yeah I'm sure. Fox/Falco or whatever are easily the best, master him and you're better than everyone

some skill cap. reevaluate your life, meleefag

>>384709962
>party game and fighting game are mutually exclusive

When will this autism end? It's like saying Rock Band isn't a rhythm game because it was designed to be a party game.

>>384682161
balance

>>384712790
>Warrior Princess Ludmilla
Pitt confirmed best girl

>>384682161
daily reminder that there is not a smash player in the world that can perform up to par with decent fighting game players at regular fighting games

they're only given real fulfillment when performing their fan-made combos that were not intended whatsoever and are just finding glitches in a broken game.

is it too late for me to start playing melee competitively?

did i miss out?

>>384716813
nope

>>384716504
>daily reminder that there is not a smash player in the world that can perform up to par with decent fighting game players at regular fighting games
You don't see regular fighting game players performing up to par with good Melee players, either.

>>384697972
>Exploits
every thing is an exploit in every game.

>>384682161
Impossible.

>>384682161
>How is it still the undisputed GOAT after all of these years?
It's the aesthetic and it's broken game mechanics that allow for faster paced game play that takes skill and time to master.
>Who do you main?
Marth because he is pretty
>Have you ever gone to a tournament?
I went to a melee gathering a couple years back and I got absolutely blown the fuck out because I was trying to use dr.mario competitively. I was like 16 at the time and I don't know what I was thinking.

>>384717686
no

>>384695451
Just go to Next Level like everyone else

>how is it still the undisputed GOAT
because its plays unlike any other fighting game and never received a true sequel
>who do you main
top tiers excluding floaties and shiek
>have you ever gone to a local
sometimes. our locals have good attendance but i still go decently far in bracket

>>384707946
Who is this?