Is Moogy-denka right about Persona 5? http://www.twitlonger

>>384672309
I agree, but it's a 6/10 for me. 4 is too harsh

>>384672309
No.

>>384672352
Number ultimately matters little, I ask postly about the textual assessment.

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>>384672309
>I'm tired of the protagonists being rewarded, even celebrated for enforcing their will on the world through violent means

I completely agree. It needs to be more like the best game ever made. A game where your actions have consequences. A game where violence isn't rewarded.

Why can't OP's on /v/ talk about their own goddamn opinions anymore?
What the fuck do you think this website is for?

PERSONAFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH PLAY A REAL CHEN MEGUMMY GAME

>>384672494
>Could stop and redeem the worst of the worst people
>WOAH THIS IS EVIL, THIS IS WORSE THAN MURDER.

>>384672532
For discussing games. Like Persona 5 in this thread, you retarded Dark Souls 2 fan..

>>384672309
>>384672352
I'd go with 5, it's still a well put together game, it just drags on to long and has a bland story along with bland characters, but yeah he is right

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>>384672309
>Sure, it's a fun game, but that's all it is
>4/10
That's some strong bait my friend

>Moogy is still harping on P5 almost a year later
Did a human girl deny him sex because he said he didn't like it or something

>>384672309
What's wrong with enforcing your will on the world? Why's that not okay?
And it's not like Joker was rewarded beyond getting friends and removing a criminal record that he shouldn't have gotten in the first place.

They just need to make the Main party's social links actually be a non-optional part of the story, and move away from the same story set up it's had for 3 games.

>>384672309
Not completely, but
> I'm tired of half-assed social links that exist in a state of subservience to the overarching plot
This part is spot on. Social links should slightly adapt to what's going on.

>>384672953
>What's wrong with enforcing your will on the world? Why's that not okay?

I think he's referring to changing people's personality's by force instead of by dialogue.

>not docking 5 points for not being able to cajole Ryuji OR Yusuke into gay sex, the true crime against art this game commits
Shit review.

>>384672309
>It's a link to a twitter post
Off yourself

>>384672309
>9/10:
>NieR Automata - Thank you for making me believe in video games again.
huh? huh? huh?

>>384672309
>2/10:
>Bloodborne - More of the same shit as any other Souls game. Repetitive levels with no music and repulsively bland aesthetics, terribly designed bosses that don't seem to take the game's camera into account at all, and purposely obscured narrative underpinnings. Nothing about any game in this series is good, and their popularity in recent years is one of the most distressing trends in modern gaming, if you ask me.
>Hollow Knight - Boring and monotonous, with oversized screens that offer no meaningful challenge on a micro level. Blindly copies Souls games in all the most annoying ways. Confused, oversaturated visual design that draws the player's eyes everywhere except where they should be looking. This has nothing to offer over any other ~indievania~, so set your sights elsewhere.

I find these opinions even worse.

>>384673010
Technically they're not really getting violent, and the actual change is brought about by talking to them after you beat them into submission not because of it.
Kind of a meaningless distinction though.

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http://www.japanesenintendo.com/post/163177666774

Japan disagrees

>>384672309
I really cannot understand the argument that they are "violently" "enforcing" their will. First of all, its invasive but non-violent. Second of all, it is simply making people admit to crimes, and the game even addresses that it wasn't truly the best option they had.

I think the problem is that Joker, due in part to his silence, is the only character who really appears to have any capability of being rational and not strung along by emotions or lacking the knowledge to act most of the time. Most of the side characters have too many flaws. They are likeable, but not really people who should have power.

People often call Joker Anarchic which I dont understand. He SLs with a good politician who would give a shit about the people, the reason joker is against the current government as it is run by a man who has committed many crimes and in almost unbelievably unlikable because we see him ruin a kids life because he is a bit pissed off at the start of the game.

Basically, its not as deep as anyone seems to think it is, but there is nothing wrong with what Joker and co are doing.

This person is right though the dungeons could stand to be more challenging and fighting God feels half-assed at this point.

>>384673203
I guarantee he hates those games because they don't have anime art styles and for no other reason.

>>384672309
Who the fuck is that and why should we care ?

Also :

>7/10:
Tales of Berseria

c'mon bruh

>>384672309
S U B J E C T I V E O P I N I O N

Persona 5 is Persona 4 rehash and Persona 4 was largely based on Persona 3. So at this point all the flaws with the Persona series are evident in P5. P5 is like playing a 10 year old game today.

>>384672697
Some of my favorite games are Advent Rising, Sonic Shuffle, and Bubsy 1

I think these games are fun, but one is a buggy unfinished mess, the other is a poor clones with frustrating minigames, and the last one is infamously counterintuitive.

I legit love these games, but I would never give any of these games higher than a 5/10 even if I enjoy some of the design choices others hate.

>>384673225
no it's not, you never talk to the actual person, their shadow forces their personality to change against their will.

>>384673462
https://tlwiki.org/?title=User:Moogy

He translated these games. He's also an editor.

>>384673334
>First of all, its invasive but non-violent.

Brainwashing is brainwashing, doesn't really matter if the person experiences pain.

>>384673536
No, P5 is a mix of things from all persona games with also it's own new things.
If you really believe what you are saying, you never played a game from 10years ago

>>384673317
all you need to do is take one look at anime to know that means very little
>>384673692
did he actually do official translation work on ToB?

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Review is spot on, but I think he is too harsh in terms of scores. Should be a 7/10 at worst.

Pic related are other visual novels he rated.

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Yeah, I agree with this.

P5 just really feels juvenile in the worst sense.

sounds like dude just has a philosophical disagreement with the protag so thinks the game sux

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>>384672309
>I'm tired of the protagonists being rewarded, even celebrated for enforcing their will on the world through violent means

It's not like Akechi said the same thing
It's not like every boss said the same thing
It's not like they made you think about it.
>and I'm tired of fucking fighting god at the end.
You were fighting gods all along, even in dungeons.
That's the beauty of persona and SMT games the enemies are from myths and legends
>I really think the dungeons could have pushed the player further.
They did.
If you played on Merciless you had to research what certain enemy is weak to. You had to guess it from their appearance (flying enemy is were most of the time weak to guns, why would u use fire on burning enemy ? etc.)
>fiendish dungeons in P6
What does he mean by this ?
Harder ? just turn on merciless
and also remember how would you make game like this harder ? You would just grind more.

The problem is the one who did this review haven't explained anything "I am tired of..." ok why ?
what does "fiendish" dungeon mean ?
>because all I felt after spending all that time on P5 was a sense of overbearing fatigue
This is broad as well.


The guy want's hard puzzle but doesn't want fatigue.


I think he is just trying to get attention

>>384673775
Sakura no Uta is a life-changing masterpiece, in my case even directly on the physical level. I rate it 11/10.

(Just to me sure I want to point out that I'm serious.)

>>384673821
>Anime picture
>Is a dumbfuck
Like pottery.

>>384673596
Their shadow is their will though, as well as the fact that beating their shadow isn't what changes them. It's stealing their distorted "desire".
They don't actually have to fight the bosses, they're just always in the way.
Pointless distinction again though.

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It is a limited narrative for a game about taking on more realistic versions of The Man which does get tiring, but I thought it was still good enough for what it is. I can appreciate it for encapsulating that sense of teenagerdom from top to bottom.

>>384672309

>Reforms evil people and criminals
>WAAHHH STOP ENFORCING YOUR WILL EVIL TEENS THIS GAME IS VIOLENT!!!
What the fuck. The game and it's plot has problems yeah, but I don't seem how anyone can side against them. What the fuck does he want, Kamoshida raping Anne? The fat lame gangster selling worst girl and Sae into prostitution?

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>>384673872
This is 4chan sumemrfriend
>>384673141
That explain a lot.

>>384672309
My biggest problem with P5 is how safe it is. It does absolutely nothing new, which makes it extremely boring for me. Same reason why I find Dark Souls 3 the worst

>>384673821
You can be fatigued by easy, boring monotony.

'Hard puzzles' does not mean the same thing as fatigue. You can fatigue someone with a million easy, boring puzzles too.

>>384673596
wrong their shadow doesn't effect their personality. it is entirely the distorted desires. they aren't stealing people's hearts, they're actually exorcising them of actual demons

>>384673901
you beat their shadow into submission, steal what they care about and program it with your own values and commands, then send it back to the person to mindfuck them.

You're not convincing villains of the error of their ways, you reprogram humans to suit your own ideals.

>>384673334

I see that you are debating the credibility of the characters and plot. You must not have the nuance to be above it all because you don't immediately think the characters are and their dialogue is unrealistic.

The first boss is a pervey teacher and instead of just calling the police when he (if he) rapes students. The Protagonist has to go white knight and save Ann from a relationship with peavey teacher despite her being perfectly able to leave and call the police if he was sexually assulting her. The writing is hella immature and doesn't make any sense to someone over the age of 21.

>and I'm tired of fucking fighting god at the end
The Demiurge isn't God. He's just an asshole who wants to be worshiped as God.

This fits perfectly with the game's narrative too. In the end, Yaldy is just another shitty adult thinking he can tell everyone else what to do. He is no God.

>>384674017
Indeed, but it's same with hard puzzles as well.
You can get tired from hard mental work as well.

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>>384672309
>Sure, it's a fun game, but that's all it is

Remember when this was enough?

>>384672309
Every review by this person is garbage, what a miserable fucking gremlin shit. You can basically sum all of them up as "if you remove the good stuff you'll see its actually not good".

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>>384672309
I don't agree with them at all, I really love the game.
I think they should just avoid these kinds of games completely instead of sinking 100 hours in one just to reaffirm to themselves they don't like it.

>>384674036
quoted for truth.

Ryuji - 'we're gonna force you to repent'

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>>384674130
Haha, nailed it.

>>384674098
Arguing semantics about whether the final boss is truly god is pure idiocy.

The point he tries to make about "AN ANCIENT ENTITY HAS AWAKEN" being the True obstacle and mastermind behind it all being overdone is correct. It has been done to dead in the series and the only times it has been done correctly were in 2 and 3.

>>384673775
Where the fuck is YU-NO on that list? Does he not have taste?

>>384674187
Maybe you should stop having autism and assuming that everyone pre-hates your golden calf.

Denka was actually pretty hyped for P5, he didn't pre-hate it. And I guarantee that if he stopped playing partway and gave a negative review, you'd cry how he didn't even finish it.

>>384673462
What? You gonna pretend the characters in the game were any better? The same ones who did nothing after their intro? The same story stricture as the last 2 games with every villain one note evil? Even the side mission mementos bosses were ridiculously over the top evil and then you have some shitty attempt to copy adachi with akechi who manages to be a far worse character because they half assed his integration in the game. Shit trash don't even delude yourself.

>>384672532
>What the fuck do you think this website is for?
For ironically mimicing arrogant leftist game journalist opinions to mock them. Also bonus points if you trigger /pol/ xD

>>384674027
>wrong their shadow doesn't effect their personality.
>What is Mishima

>>384674262
I'm not sure how to take this post, I'm gonna go.

>>384674293
If you weren't a fucking EOP you'd play enough games to rate above YU-NO too.

You subhumans EOPs are the fucking worst. You play only the scraps you're thrown and yet at like you know shit.

>>384673821
>If you played on Merciless you had to research what certain enemy is weak to. You had to guess it from their appearance (flying enemy is were most of the time weak to guns, why would u use fire on burning enemy ? etc.)

Breh, this argument could be said for every persona and smt, nothing to do with the actual dungeon itself, merciless is trash anyways and only hardest in the base game should be played, you just abuse criticals in merciless

>>384674036
But it's also revealed later on that all they're actually doing is aligning the criminals thoughts with Yaldy's worshippers and returning them to Mementos. Which is never properly explained so I guess, anything goes.

They're also not celebrated because of how they're supposedly brainwashing people either, unless he's talking about how the game amps up the "PT hype".

>>384674278
Well, from that angle, I think Yaldabaoth fits into the story of 5 perfectly. He ties loose ends together, the story doesn't work as well without him, and there's some foreshadowing there.

He's certainly better implemented than Izanami. Izanami is just one step above Necron, if you ask me.

>The first not paid review to appear on /v/
>Everyone hates him

>>384672309

>Is Moogy-denka right?

It's his/her/its opinion, I for example loved it, because it was typical Persona game with really interesting mechanics from older games and fresh new party with not amazing, but very polished story. It has its issues here and there, but mostly it's JRPG with history. They've made this story in a specific way to showcase their own issues with the Japan. Social links weren't that fantastic, but still had some values to be learned from. Overall Persona 5 for me was really fantastic game and if there is someone who feels it's 4/10 game, it's that persons own thought, not mine. I don't care for that person anyway.

>>384672309
Who gives a fuck?

Why do you think some random nobody's review is worthy of a thread?

Fuck off, sage.

>>384674435
The fuck's an EOP, and what does that have to do with YU-NO score? While we're at it, 桜の唄 looks like utter dogshit purely on artstyle alone, I would never rate it higher than a seven because of that.

Before you throw the newfaggot on me, I've been browsing on an off since 2007.

Style over Substance sums up the majority of Persona 5.
However, it has a lot of fucking style.

>>384674505
Nah, he's obviously a last minute addition for the super evil bad guy behind it all cliche. I wish they don't do this again for P6 desu.

>>384672309
PILLAGE THEM!

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>>384674337
No idea who they are but you can tell by the way they write the review they forced them self through the game.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with dropping a game you don't like and it is what they should have done, I've done it plenty of times.

>>384674262
>Mishimaboi best boi don't awoke his Persona
>He don't even have a Palace indirectly created by you
>You can't even fight his shadow in Mementos
>You can't even fuck him in his best boipussie
Why even live.

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>>384672309
Why did you even make this thread you fucking autist?
He rated Tales of Berseria 7/10 (which would pretty much be a 10/10 relative to other scores), why would his ranking matter at all when THAT happens?
How can a person be so blind to rate a completely generic middle-of-the-road Tales Of game (whose best games are only average, meaning that Berseria is below average on the general Jrpg scale) above any other Jrpg?

I'm not even going to defend Persona5 in any way, just saying that his review scores are completely out of whack and his priorities for what to look for in a game must be fucked up if he ever puts a mediocre Tales Of game that high up.

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>>384674337
But that guy was undeniably absurd when he criticized the gameplay, saying for example, that the dungeons we're lacking challenges.

Some dungeons, like Burger King, we're pretty difficult by itself in means of both puzzling and enemies (since it mixed both). Is just something that most people who played the game can't aggree with him because they aren't fucking retards.

>>384674589
You, you subhuman.

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>>384674435
>"Shit, Japanese games and anime aren't niche anymore. How am I supposed to feel superior now?"
>"I got it! I'll just shit on people who didn't waste weeks of their life learning a dying language and have the patience to wait for translations."

>>384674658
>calls me a subhumans
>thinks something that looks like a parody of anime deserves high praise
I'm glad you know Japanese well, too bad you have other problems.

>>384674662
>weeks

>>384674505
>Well, from that angle, I think Yaldabaoth fits into the story of 5 perfectly.

He's just another generic deus ex machina boss.

who
the FUCK
is Moogy-denka

Reminder that the guy lowered the score of Dies Irae because it got translated.

He's a hack.

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>>384674497
>you just abuse criticals in merciless
So do your enemies
>only hardest in the base game should be played
It's F R E E

I think it's actually good, if you want enemy to have + 50% dmg and +50% HP
then you will just grind more.
This way you are sure to die if you wont guard and you can't guard if you don't know the spells of a enemy.

And the bosses have 2 or more phases which will give them more spells, and now you have to rotate your entire team which isn't so easy.

I think it's good.
But I knew all the spells before, so I fucked it for myself

THis bitch faggot played any of the previous games?

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>>384672309
Seems like a contrarian asshole whose opinions are based around how others will react to them.

By the way, I work in translation too, so don't act like that's some kind of meaningful credential.

>>384675019
Japanese translation?

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Speaking of learning Japanese, any good ideas on how to improve from a beginner level to intermediate? I don't know many kanji, unfortunately, and when it comes to grammar I'm honestly only so-so.

But I do know plenty of words and am improving to the point where I can see it. How do I maximize learning efficiency?

>>384672309
>some literally who faggot posts his own review
>82 posts and 15 image replies omitted.
kill yourselves gen z niggers

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The side story and characters carried the game.

As for being tired of a protagonist fighting and enforcing his will, this kind of pacifism if hopelessly naive. The guys you fight in Persona 5 are trash and irredeemable scums who need a forceful awakening, to say non-violence could (or should) be an answer means you have no idea about the world and situation P5 cast find itself it.

>>384672494
Undertale is mega shit

>>384675116
Study more. Read easy texts (Graded Readers, NHK Easy News). Then study more and read less easy texts.

There's no magical trick to it, so stop obsessing over shit like "maximizing efficiency".

You're gonna use Japanese for porn games and LNs for 14 year olds, so it hardly matters if you're not 100% maximized.

>>384674337
If this person was excited for Persona 5, why are his reasons for being so disappointed by it in total opposition to what you would expect the game to be like? I even agree with some of his complaints, but he blows them up. This person was hyped for the game but the crux of their dissatisfaction appears to be "this is all familiar, I am thoroughly, intensely sick of it", yet the only reason somebody would be excited for 5 is if they liked 3 and 4 which do exactly the things he's so sick of.

How do you play through two games and upwards of 200 hours of this shit, get excited for more of it, and then end up so disillusioned about the game giving you more of that? He doesn't even seem to think any of it is badly done, he just didn't want it to be the way it was fundamentally. Not saying there aren't a million ways you can expect P5 to be like its predecessors and still come out disappointed in it despite it delivering on that, but it's all "I'm tired of this, I'm tired of that", rather than any real complaint, besides the dungeons being too easy.

>>384675184
>characters in P5
>good
ALL OF THEM except 2 are underdeveloped

This is it, gamers. I'm gonna learn Japanese along with my college studies and when I have my degree I'm emigrating to the superior land of Nihon.
Wish me luck.

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Persona 5 is the same garbage as 4.

When Persona 6 comes out 5 will have nothing redeeming anymore since the only good things in the game were mechanical changes

>>384675387
6 will most likely have a new director, so that will probably (or rather, hopefully) bring a different style and structure along with it, like what happened with P3.

>>384675364
This. Except really. Already set to move next year.

>>384675175
Anon, posting a short bit of the lyrics to one song and a cropped porn face is enough for a Persona thread to reach bump and image limit.

>>384675387
>Year 2025
>Persona 6 is the same garbage as 5.
>When Persona 7 comes out 6 will have nothing redeeming anymore since the only good things in the game were mechanical changes

>>384675436
You got a job and place to stay there or are you just going to improvise?

>>384675256
>You're gonna use Japanese for porn games and LNs for 14 year olds, so it hardly matters if you're not 100% maximized.
I just have an exam I'm retaking in September, and I wanted a good way to familiarize myself with the language in addition to the book[s] I'm revising.

>>384675364
Hope you'll enjoy you 40h/week + 100h added in the month with only a weak of holidays per year
Also, be ready to never be really seen as nothing else but a "gaijin"

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>>384675351
Not really, they have satisfying arcs in their social links.

The party members are the weakest link.

>>384672309
I agree, I'm at the last Palace and I can't find the strength to finish it after 65 hours. The pacing is all over the place too. Persona 3 is still the best Persona.

What's the point of confident for main characters if they're basically filler that isn't consistent with how they are in the main story?

That shit should be available for side people

NO WORLD OF STRENGTH = SHIT GAME

Persona games would be much better without all the sims bullshit, just let me and my friends do shit without all the time management bullshit.

>>384675597
Ryuji, Haru and Yusuke had great Confidants.

>>384675528
>you just going to improvise
The most foolish idea you could have.

I have a place secured at one university - research with plan to move into post-grad.

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>>384675524
>People still arguing about best girls, only with more to argue over each new installment.
Do think we'll reach the end? Do you think there is one?

>>384675541
Hmm, what kind of exam?

>>384675597
Not really. They're pretty fucking terrible most of the time.

>>384675876
Difficult to explain, it consists of a few parts which concentrate on kanji, reading, grammar, etc.

I have this shit locked down, honestly, but I know from experience that the more familiarized with the language you are, the less mistakes you're prone to make.

>>384672309
>Moogy-denka
had to google what it is and first result is this exact thread. how is this relevant to anything?

>>384672309
>buy it when it came out
>play around 6-7 hours
>only been to dungeons 2 or 3 times
>fuck that i have finals
have finished 5 games since finals ended but havent even put the p5 disk back in lul

>>384675907
Nah.

>>384675116
What is up with pictures like that? Is it depicting someone doing pushups on a girl's tits?

>>384675907
Compared to slinks from previous games they have Oscar winning writing.

>>384674037

You're retarded. Anne has no proof whatsoever that Kamoshida has been sexually assaulting her and they address already that Kamoshida's status and fear tactics in the school make students and even parents afraid to speak out against him.

Also, Kamoshida is based off a real life incident that happened in a school in Japan. You should try to actually understand the cycle of emotional abuse before ranting about it. It's the same reason why people often don't report domestic abuse and spouses stay with abusive partners and why abuse against males is so almost never reported. Saying, "just call the police bro lol," is insulting to every victim who's ever been in a similar situation.

>>384674658
calm down moogy, like, holy shit, get laid or something

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>>384675998
No, it's about grabbing huge tits. Having done that in real life I can tell you it feels good, hence - people like such images.

literally who

>>384675597
Nah all the women have the exact same S.Link

Literally who?

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>>384672309
>taking moogy's opinions seriously

How long has it been customary for /v/ to worship manchildren? This is honestly getting pathetic.

>>384676134
That's not how you grab titties though. POV guy in the other picture is putting his whole weight on the poor girl and just mashing the shit out of them titties like buttons in a fighting game.

>>384673775
So apparently moogy is a retard with shit taste. Anything else I need to know about him?

>>384676234
Moogy eternally BTFO.

>>384676279
Her tits are unrealistically big so we can allow a degree of lack of realism, he can put his weight on her. And besides, you only see his hands, maybe he's supporting his weight using his legs, not in the frame.

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>I'm tired of half-assed social links that exist in a state of subservience to the overarching plot
>I am very, very tired of everything the P5 narrative has to offer me

Spot on. This shit got boring three games ago and even though 3 tried to work around it, that hack Hashino completely gave up on 4 and 5.
They seriously need to ditch the social link/time management garbage for the next game in the 2028 after they're done milking P5.

>>384676363
That's absurd. Look at the tension in his arms; there's even a vein bulging on the right. He's clearly leaning hard on dem titties. I mean, maybe if the girl is a masochist I could see her enjoying that, but I've seen an increasing number of pictures in the "titty pushup" subgenre, and I'm not sure I approve.

They need to get rid of social stats.
The activities themselves are shallow and not fun at all.
Most of the game feels like padding and you're just going down a checklist for the sake of tradition at this point.

>>384675935
I mean for what purpose. Some entrance exam? A test you previously failed and are now taking for the second time? Cause September strikes me as a weird time for some exam.

>>384676831
>>384677015
Why not just play SMT instead

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>>384674605
>>384674767
I bet you skip all the dialogue from Akechi and Shido you dumbfucks

>>384677025
A test I failed. I haven't studied for it whatsoever and would've passed had I managed to gather a few more points, so I thought it would be a good opportunity to study up and get on a new level.

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>>384672309
>I'm tired of protagonists being rewarded, even celebrated for enforcing their will on the world through violent means
What a fucking cuck

I only trust Moogy's opinion on visual novel.

And just barely.

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SEES is the only cast I'd call "developed", and even then they're carried hard by the male side of things.

The only females in these games to have actual, competent arcs are Yuka-tan, who unfortunately ends up as a bitch because of it, and moscel SLs throughout the series.

Note that I'm not counting pre-P3 because they're mostly irrelevant at this point.

>>384677220
SMT is not a story/character focused series.

>>384677220
I like Persona's setting because I love both the concept of Stands/Persona, and Urban Fantasy.

The rest of MegaTen goes off the rails too quickly for my taste.

>>384677220
Because they're not on consoles.

>>384677394
>>384677446
>>384677501
Why not just play Pokemon instead

>>384676831
This autism never ends.

>>384672309

>"Chrono trigger is shit!"
>Proceed to praise modern tales

There is being wrong and then there is that

>>384677350
You're irrelevant.

>>384672309
>Moogy
>The guy who took the Subahibi fanTL and instead of releasing it made a pitch to a publisher
>All while telling the fanbase its just "QC"
>This happened over 2 years ago
>Subahibi still isn't out to this day
Moogy's opinion isn't worth shit and he deserves to get the shit beaten out of him for what he pulled with Subahibi

>>384677706

Chrono Trigger and Tales games are overrated.

>>384676041

>You're retarded. Anne has no proof whatsoever that Kamoshida has been sexually assaulting her and they address already that Kamoshida's status and fear tactics in the school make students and even parents afraid to speak out against him.

Then those people are part to blame for the situation. For a game that Is about taking responsibly for "all your actions" and punishing the wicked, it's one hell of an oversight to not go after the enablers too.

>Also, Kamoshida is based off a real life incident that happened in a school in Japan. You should try to actually understand the cycle of emotional abuse before ranting about it. It's the same reason why people often don't report domestic abuse and spouses stay with abusive partners and why abuse against males is so almost never reported. Saying, "just call the police bro lol," is insulting to every victim who's ever been in a similar situation.

Same as above.

>>384677807
If you cared you'd learn Japanese.

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>>384677805
I enjoy them I'm just not silly enough to talk about them when we're talking about the mechanics of nu-Persona.

>>384672309
He's just growing up and found out the honeymoon idolization phase of japanese media in their original language is over.

I agree with this review mostly, but more puzzles would be stupid. Puzzles were the worst part of dungeons and along with the "stealth" should have been scrapped completely.

>>384672309
>I'm tired of half-assed social links that exist in a state of subservience to the overarching plot
I agree, I hate that Ryuji in his SL is completely different from how he acts in the main plot
>I appreciate that they put a lot of effort into the aesthetics and "flow," but there's never really a brain-bending puzzle that stops you in your tracks or a devious trap that sets you back in any meaningful way.
100% agreed

>>384678367
I just wanted P3-4 style, but with more improvements in the gameplay and Slinks that connect to the story.
Literally that's all I was hoping for.

Just give us random dungeons like P4 had, only give them unique looks this time and maybe few unique gimmicks.

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>>384672309
>Sure, it's a fun game, but that's all it is.

>4/10

This guy sounds like he expected the game to be some kind of life-changing revelation and then he got sad becouse his live wasn't fixed the moment he finished the game.

>>384673821
>If you played on Merciless you had to research what certain enemy is weak to.
By your logic a hallway with strong enemies is more engaging than a maze with average enemies

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>>384678596
I was hoping for all that as well, but also a return to persona 3 levels of story. Instead we got a rip off of 4 and no villain like adachi to make it a little interesting. At least the waifus were good in 5

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>>384678437
>Ryuji learns to do shit for others in SL
>Ryuji realized that he was doing it for the fame, not for helping others in main plot

What should I play after P5? Already finished Nier Automata, need something else to fill the void.

>>384679165
Witcher 3

No.

>>384679107
I don't think there's anything that wrong with 4, aside from the main cast's loose connection to the story and the final boss that feels tacked on.

>>384679165
Take your pick of SMT or Persona, and any spin offs related to those two,

>>384672309
I agree that the game turned out painfully mediocre and at times unenjoyable, but 4/10 is total contrarianism. I'd give it a 6/10 or something

>>384679251
We need more of these radical thinkers in Europe.

>>384679437
Caring to much about numbers is autism.

>>384679503
Caring in general is autism, and the fact that you even bothered replying makes you the head honcho of autism

>>384672309
Moogy is probably more full of himself than anyone else on the internet and that's saying a lot. He's right sometimes though.

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>>384674120
I feel you. You just can't please people.

Not sure why people expect to be reading a literary masterpiece. For what it is- a video game- it's pretty damn good.

>>384679251
Oh, so thats the cultural enrichment we're waiting for in europe

Moogy, Mr. When It Gets Translated It Turns To Shit?
No, he is not right about anything.

>>384672309
Ahem. Use his proper full name, Moogy-heika-dona-sama-senpai-san
Jokes aside, he's right on the entire list.

>>384679009
Yeah it kind of is honestly, mazes aren't very fun

Why is this guy so autistic about music?

>>384672309
I agree with the "fatigue" part.

Moogy getting assblasted by a musou game is great

>>384679009
>>384680026
Honestly the dungeon in P5 were essentially corridors, with shit to get caught on thrown about in front of you.

>>384680173
So like SMT but less pretentious?
Picked up.

>>384675843
Capping this for future shitposting potential

>>384672309
Who?

>>384678972
I hope the Phantom Thieves bring him to justice

>>384680080
>why is an insufferable turbo autist being autistic about something
Wow, really makes me think more than Moogy's favorite DEEP meme games.

>>384680279
I'd argue P5 is more pretentious

>>384680810
most pretentious rpg. "I'm gonna steal your heart and make you repent your sins hahaha"

>>384680908
Very Reddit-y type of wish fulfillment.

>>384674037
Are you saying japan has a fucked up justice system and those kids know that better than you do? Woah.

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>>384681172
you even steal the heart of a controversial politician/country leader

>>384672309
it sounds like he's up his own ass, everyone should know what to expect when playing a fucking persona game.
I went in expecting a half-hollow anime storyline where I train and fuse demons, date random chicks, and then fight god at the end and that's what I got. In it's best form when compared to 3 or 4 (couldn't even get through 4 all the way).
but I also don't know who this person in OP is, so their opinion isnt hanging on some fame Im already supposed to know about
when you go into a game that you know is going to have a formula, and then bitch anyway, you're fucking dumb.

>>384677234
>I bet you skip all the dialogue from Akechi
Damn right I ignored that butthurt meme cakeboy

The puzzles should have been harder and more interesting

Characters shouldn't act like flanderized versions of themselves in the main story when they're pretty cool in their SL

Should've gone into more detail about Wakaba, her research, and the government's involvement with that

The main characters should have talked more about the forceful change of hearts, maybe the hypocrisy of them rebelling against the constraints of society while forcing others to fit their own rules. It touched on it, but never really confronted the thieves with it.

But am I the only one who really liked the stealth? I mean, aside from going with the phantom thief vibe, I thought it was fun

>>384681272
someone said that persona 5 is about antifa SJWs fighting right-wing populism.

>>384681418
>harder and more varied

Why do brainlets like puzzles in video games, straight up they are never engaging and are worthless filler

>>384681464
>antifa SJWs
man i'm sick of these fucking shitty buzz word labels BUT i can see why persona 5 could be that

Boo hoo. All JRPG are linear.

If you want challenge, go play Dungeon Travelers 2

>>384677824

So you're saying they should've brainwashed the whole fucking school?

The parents who ignored it because volleyball? The staff? The students who knew and didn't say shit?

Where do you draw the line?

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are vidfeo games art

ludo narrative dissonance

tfw too smart to enjoy bad jap pedo games for pedos

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>>384681172
>>384681272
>Basing the game on the tricker archetype makes it pretentious
Wew lad. If anything I am somewhat surprised they didn't do it earlier

>>384681529
Fow is antifa a buzzword label?

It's was the thughs destroying the streets in Western cities call themselves.

>>384681496
I think the complaint is that the puzzles never evolve past the tutorial stage. As in rather than them not being hard enough, it's more like there is literally nothing to them.
Could be wrong though.

>>384681496
>brainlets
>arguing against puzzles
oh anon...

I actually like puzzles alot and enjoy them p5's however were way to simple and because of that they felt more like a chore than anything

>>384681620
>tricker archetype
Trickster archetype

>people don't take the story seriously, even though any given subplot (say, Eleanor's character arc about her learning to question the system she's a part of) in Berseria is far more nuanced, and, dare I say, relevant, than anything that Persona 5 has to offer. But since Persona is the darling of the media and gaming fanbase, it's the one that gets time in the limelight
> If Berseria can do this much with just two writers, why can't Kiseki do it with three times that? Why can't Persona do it with literally dozens?
>Berseria is actually fucking fully voiced, unvoiced fucking Per-
how can personafags ever recover?

>>384681564
It's not there place to do that. that's the entire point about them "enforcing their will on world."

If Ann believes she is getting sexually assaulted then she needs to A) stop seeing professor and B) press charges. Again it's a game about people being responsible for the consequences of all their actions yet the phantom knives aren't holding people responsible for their bad decisions.

Is it me or is there some track straight outta Catherine in this game?

>>384681713
Brainlets are ok with stupid puzzles breaking game cohesion because they find them enjoyable when they are one-off gameplay elements separate from everything else, and furthermore puzzles in games are often low difficulty making them an even larger waste of time

Me like puzzle make my brain think
>alot

>>384681780
What was the point of posting that picture anyway?

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I'm in Okumura's Palace and honestly, all my will to play and finish this game has completely dried up. This was my first Persona game and I really enjoyed the first 30 hours or so, but now the characters really feel flat, they didn't progress at all, the Palaces are always the same thing repeated all over again and it's extremely easy to see where the plot is going and who the main baddies are. I really can't bring myself to finish it and I'm kind of sad about it, but it's really too boring for me at this point.

>Moogy is a casual
I guess that should have been obvious, but damn.

>>384681950
DDS1 had some good puzzle like dungeons. Like that coordinate 136 castle dungeon.

>>384681950
>braking game cohesion
The puzzles in p5 make sense though, you're literally raiding dungeons to steal treasure, of course their would be traps to disarm and ways to block your progress

>>384682013
>Quitting before the ruse cruise

>>384681625
people can call themselves buzzword things

>>384682013
i want to say that you're missing out on something special by not finishing it and it's a shame that i can't

>>384682013
spoiler

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>>384682254
forgot pic

>>384681713
Puzzles were easy, but they were thematically consistent at least, and you never stay in the same area for too long. I understand that it can get a little tiring, but it means getting to the end feels more rewarding, as a dungeon crawler should.

In P3, you'd just reach a blocked off staircase and tackle the boss some other day. P4 was more of the same in that regard, with minor variations.

>>384672309
What would you rate the other personas OP

>>384682013
Sweatshop didn't revive your hype?

Why haven't you played Nier: Automata yet? It's Kastel approved.

https://tanoshimi.xyz/2017/03/21/violet-evergarden-spoilers/#more-7016

>>384682013
power through, that dungeon is utter shit

>>384682013
Sadly the game stays that way all the way through. It's a shame because the concept is interesting as fuck but nothing interesting is done with it. P3 had good characters and all the gameplay changes supported the plot. P4 had fun character interactions and slice of life stuff. P5 doesn't seem to excel at anything, style can only do so much.

>>384682013
I dont blame you the space station is without a doubt the worst palace on the game for me both thematically and gameplay wise but just power through that one and you be able to "probably" enjoy the game again

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Still don't know how they half assed the last 2 dungeons so much after casino. Literally every other smt with proper dungeons goes out with a bang on the final one.

>Persona is a novel for uncultured teens
#wow #whoa

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>That feel when no one likes Sweatshop.
>That feel when everyone thinks it's the worst dungeon.

>>384672309
It did have a shitty ending and plot compared to the rest of the series, Persona 5 was an excellent disappointment

>>384682759
can you tell me what you liked about it anon not trying to be an asshole I just wanna get the perspective if someone who actually enjoyed it

>>384682505
non party confidants were great in P5

>>384672309
>I'm tired of fucking fighting god at the end

I can get on board with this, but then again it wouldn't be an SMT spin-off if you didn't punch a god in the face at least once.

>>384672309
>Unless you have some particular love for the original, the GBA version is actually better. Yes, I went there.
>Mana GBA version is better
Whatever opinion he has is void and null. You can't pull the nostalgia card on me. Because I played the GBA version first.

>Shitting on Dragon's trap
Yeah okay. I'm just going ignore this guy. Why are Import reviewers so fucking stupid?

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2017 and atlus still can't program flags that check your social link status and alter character conversations in the main plot to reflect their growth and development

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Here is a picture of a handsome young man.
He did a lot of bad things. Kind of sad he died so young.

>>384672309
>. I'm tired of protagonists being rewarded, even celebrated for enforcing their will on the world through violent means
But this doesn't happen in person 5, only like 10 people total in the game actually get hurt.

I like to rag on P5 as well but moogy-denka's criticisms are all fucking awful. And reeks of some one trying to get on the "let's call a popular game bad to get views / clicks" bandwagon rather than genuine analysis.

>>384682559
Like the Izanami one?

>>384682863
Not that guy but the theme behind the dungeon probably hit too close to home for me to actual working conditions nowadays

>>384682386
Perhaps because they realized they'd never be able to comprehend it on so many intellectual layers as Kastel-sama.

I'd take a game half the length if it meant we got more unique, bespoke events. I'd love to be able to walk around the park, a more detailed city center, etc.
Hell. I'd love to be able to go out dancing/karaoke (improved via stats).
Maybe I've just been playing too much Yakuza recently, but I'd love to see the group's dynamic in these more organic scenarios.

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>>384674617
>You fight his distorted self in his Palace.
>Thinks of himself as the foundation of the Phantom Thieves
>Final Boss of the Palace is Mishima looking like Joker, but a knock off version.
>Has 3 teammates that look like knock offs of your current party.

>>384682863
>That theme is literally in the top 6 best songs in P5.
>That same theme enters the top 3 with the robot voices added in.
>Just as _bad as the rest of the Palaces in quality.
>Nice visuals.
>Puzzles were actually pretty good (Getting keys and verifications) until the shitty floating puzzle at least.
>Unique enemies that aren't just Personas. Seriously what was wrong with shadows? Now it's just shitty SMT.

>>384682559
I don't know anon I thought mementos was a pretty alright palace even if it was a bit short

>>384682013
You're at the worst part of the game. It gets better immediately after.

>>384683002
Even then, I feel like that was kinda the point the game was making. The Phantom Theives thought they were doing the right thing, but were they really? Why should it be their call to forcefully change the perspective of others, what if that's not what people want, people like/want to be controlled, etc.

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>>384677824

Putting aside the fact that you're literally victim blaming, I actually understand where you're coming from to an extent in that there was never a moment where the Phantom Thieves weren't necessary. Mishima and the entire team cowered while Kamoshida fucked around, and even cowered behind you when Ryuji ran to confront him. Yosuke never gives Madarame a piece of his mind. It was never "I've done all I can do and this asshole will literally never change unless you force him to. Call in the Phantom Thieves." It was just "Call in the Phantom Thieves."

But more than anything, the game feels like a revenge fantasy. Assholes don't stop being assholes because you call them out on it or you tell them how you've hurt them. They know and they don't give a shit. People like Kamoshida would NEVER change under normal means, and even if someone called the cops nobody would testify against him because of the stigma of being a sexual assault victim (This IS Japan after all) and not wanting the police around the school.

>>384682882
Here's all the female S.Links
>Hi Potter-kun I'm interested in you
>Potter-kun I have I problem, but I'm dealing with it so don't worry about it
>This asshole is oppressing me super hard like he's pure evil, what's that Potter-kun? A name? S/he's called arse hole
>Wow Potter-kun arse hole apologised and left me alone, this is fantastic.
>Don't worry Phantom thief-kun, I won't reveal your secret.

A good chunk of the party members didn't need to exist

>>384683537
pretty much just Makoto and Haru and maybe Futaba if her role was given to Mishima.
But hey, waifus amirite?

>>384683420
desu almost all Slinks follow that formula. I don't see that formula being a flaw since it fits the theme of MC being a trickster and there was enough variation to keep it interesting

>>384683537
Only two people should be there

>>384683420
>Hi Potter-kun I'm interested in you
This is wrong tho

>>384672309
> I'm tired of protagonists being rewarded, even celebrated for enforcing their will on the world through violent means

It should be noted that the people you "force your will upon" are known criminals, and pretty serious ones at that. You know for a fact that they did the crime, and they are always so blatantly evil that I struggle to accept the idea that it's wrong to make them regret their crimes. And it's hardly brainwashing, more just making them realize they are shitbags.

I get the whole philosophical debate, but those ideas are based around the fact that you can never be sure of a persons crime or motive. Joker can be sure, because it is impossible to hide it from him.

>>384683720
I found it got old real quick, since it was the exact same formula as all of the main targets. Even down to the " I was treated like shit too" moments for the main targets and side requests.

>>384673821
>The guy want's hard puzzle but doesn't want fatigue.

Ok i kinda agreed with you but then you said this

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>>384683204
I feel like that would be taking it too far. Undoubtedly he would be an absolute whiny annoying bitch, everyone would hate him, and any sympathy garnered from the Kamoshida incident would vanish. Every post that mentioned him would have replies along the lines of "the little stuck up bitch had it coming, he should get more beatings from Kamoshida and shut the hell up."

He would likely have become the most disliked character in the game.

>>384683709
If you give Futaba's role to Mishima then you entirely break the plot.

>>384681801
>Berseria
>nuanced

Berseria actually has a better story than P5, and it's one of the very few Tales games to have a story that isn't just trash let alone good, but it was in no way "nuanced". The biggest problem with the story is how fucking on-the-nose everything is.

>>384683767
Potter-kun is just what I used to generalise the main character anon. I know you may have called him something different.

>>384683940
I wanted to like the dude but he's the same tier as unlikable as Akechi.

>>384684000
Not the potter part. They never interested in him.

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>>384683865
>since it was the exact same formula as all of the main targets
Wow it is almost as if PT was created to specifically deal with a certain group of people
>" I was treated like shit too" moments
Wow it is almost if most people are dicks coz people were dicks to them before.
Plus like Kamoshida and maybe Okumura had that exact rationale

Really makes me think

>>384683832
>. And it's hardly brainwashing

It is brainwashing, you change their perception on their actions forcefully without them knowing and in a way that can't be done by normal means

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>>384683751
I agree.
Only kidding. Haru should've been a side character and Makoto should've been more than Mitsuru v2.0 Model 9500, but I like all of the thieves otherwise.

>>384672309
running is also fun... but doing that for 5 hours straight it gets tiring

i dont think this bloke even played the game. theres much to love on the game aside from dungeon crawling.

puzzles arent there for a challenge, its to set the tempo of the game because it gets too monotonous to "ambush x" all the time.

the fans love persona not just for the gameplay but for the story, the highschool simulation and the getting friends that they never had

its a loser's dream game to immerse themselves, its not for everyone

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Persona 5 is a very good game, but to say it's anywhere even close to perfect is straight up lying.

There is one particularly huge flaw, and that's the whole fucking premise of the goddamn game. On paper the concept of Phantom Thieves trying to change the world by stealing people's twisted hearts is great, problem is that the game has a seriously hard time keeping this interesting. People often joke about Persona 4 being japanese Scooby Doo, but this is actually P4's biggest strength; the fact that 95% of the entire game is built around finding a serial killer. It's simple, it's solid, it's like that one anime that only was made to have one season and then it actually ends. By comparison P5 is like a typical shounen anime with multiple arcs with no real good idea of where it wants to ultimately go. It's messy and uneven. It makes a game that should've been the definitive Persona game come off as something lesser than the sum of it's parts.

I think that "Take Your Time" loading screen was made to be taken quite literally, because burning through P5 is exhausting.

>>384684024
He almost got faggot tier for me with his shadow and all, but it was kinda expected and he more or less cleared up afterwords until the Hawaii trip jesus. Was that more or less why you didn't like him or something else?

I HUMBLY REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE FOR ME, MASAYOSHI SHIDO

>>384672309
>Is Moogy-denka right about Persona 5?
Who?
Literally, who?
Why is his opinion important? Is he an industry leader? a reviwer known for his in depth analysis and strong observations? As far a i can tell this is not the case, hes just some rando with a soap box.

As to his review it boils down too "Durrrr the narratives not deep enough HERRRP", he doesn't adress any of the nuance of the mechanics, the level design or anything pertinent to, you know a game?

My most important question is why would you even bother posting this.

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>>384684523
> the highschool simulation and the getting friends that they never had
>its a loser's dream game to immerse themselves, its not for everyone
hey!
you!
please!
no need!
to remind us

>>384684545
>By comparison P5 is like a typical shounen anime with multiple arcs with no real good idea of where it wants to ultimately go. It's messy and uneven.
I felt this for P3 and P4. P5 to me felt more structured like the devs actually know what it tried to bring without it being dull.

And I play P4 first, and I like P3 the best out of all of them. It's just that P5 hands down the better game.

>>384684572
I was expecting to redeem himself after his involvement with Kamoshida. Turned out to be a crazy fan and a whiny bitch. Your summary was accurate though

>>384684545
WOAH.. BURNING THROUGH A 100HR GAME IS EXHAUSTING?!?!?!
WHO WOULD'VE THUNK IT, ANON, YOU'RE A GENIUS!

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>>384684758
He's some pretentious shit who's sorta well known in the VN community.

>>384681804
>Call the police.
>They either get paid off or just look the other way.

Looks like we're breaking your leg again....

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>>384684545
>because burning through P5 is exhausting.
>Trying to rush a 100 plus hour game
I mean of course you're gonna get burned out. It's like trying plow though FC and SC back to back.

>>384683865
>all the s-links
>when sun and hierophant exist

I can start to see what you mean except Haru's father and Shido were simply consumed by their ambition, though most bosses were formulaic. They blew their load too early with Kamoshida, he was fucking fantastic, and they tried to copy that format.
That being said, its better written than in 3 and 4 which somehow were worse. 4 was nothing but self insert cliche and 3 was them fucking around till the abrupt exposition overload to the last last boss.

My complaint was that they didn't take enough gameplay from SMT. The bossfights were underwhelming, especially as the game ramped up in the end. More of the Akechi boss rush with unique mechanics please.

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>>384684896
Woah there kid, no need to go full autistic to express your opinion

>>384685065
lmao'ing @ ur life
just calling out his idiocy

>>384684873
>P5 to me felt more structured like the devs actually know what it tried to bring

Yeah that's why Haru integration in the gane was so well placed right and totally wasn't another Naoto situation? That's why Akechi's arc was so well done right?

Fuck outta here, literally the same shit gathering members each boss before the game ends right after.

>>384684996
>100 plus
I beat the game and ran through NG+ for the platinum and it took me 100 hours overall. What the fuck takes you people so long

>>384685065
technically he's right.

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>>384672309
>not siding with YHVH

I dont understand how all these people took more than 50 hours to beat it, 100+ seems rediculous.

>>384673821
Even on Merciless the game is still brain-dead easy compare to 3/4 and other mainline games.

>>384684996
I can burn through a great hundred hour JRPG easily. P5 required breaks of up to half a month to not feel stale for me.

>>384685191
Took me about 80 hours with my normal playthrough. Then again, I did every dungeon in 1 day, which becomes a slog near the end of each dungeon.

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>>384685189
>Have YHVH but no Sophia
Gonna be so mad is she is not in P5:Crimson

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>>384685162
i like to find the date routes with sensei!

I FUCKING LOVE SENSEI!!!! STOP FUCKING JUDGING ME!!!!

>>384673692
Why should we care at all about his opinion on video games?

>>384685150
>Yeah that's why Haru integration in the gane was so well placed right and totally wasn't another Naoto situation? That's why Akechi's arc was so well done right?
Yes. I don't see the problem with it.

>literally the same shit gathering members each boss before the game ends right after.
If you're familiar with rpg this shouldn't bother you.

Why do you sound so mad?

>>384684758
Moogy has a tendency to get replies all the time. The guy has never been right about a single thing in his life.

>>384685162
I'm just saying in general mate. Personally I am a rather a slow player so there you go. And because I leave the game on sometime which can fuck with the actual in-game timer.

>>384685238
Well then. I can't argue that really. If you can do that then great job. But not many can.

>>384685238
Opposite for me. I either dropped midway jrpg or lost interest in certain parts and never picking it up again, yet with P5, I just want to play it whenever I'm not at home.

>>384685150
Everything after the Okumura arc just has pacing issues since it's the part of the Lupin III season where the main story suddenly kicks in after being teased over the course of the 20 generally unrelated eps that preceded it.

>I'm tired of fighting god at the end
I guess it's semantics but you're not fighting god in the traditional sense, just "a" god, which feels different to me than just fighting an omniscient being. It's the difference between somehow beating an all powerful being and godhood just being your personal strength and force of will, and that plays into the theme of rebellion by reinforcing the idea that anyone can rise up and become powerful by embracing who they are.

Am I off base here? If it was just lolkillgod I'd agree with him but I think that distinction is important and considering how much the idea of rebellion and one's personality is woven into the game over 60-100 hours, I don't think what I said is a stretch.

It's also my first and only persona game so maybe I'm reading too much into it?

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>>384685468
>I just want to play it whenever I'm not at home.
thats me with every game I play and when i get home I dont feel like playing anymore

>>384685357
I'M NOT MAD YOU FAT FUCK, FUCK OFF WITH THIS 'PERSONA 5 IS AMAZEBALLZ 10/10 TOO MANY WAIFUS' BULLSHIT ALREADY
got i hate this board sometimes

>>384685165
Length has little to do with feeling burned out, it's all a matter of keeping things interesting.

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>>384685142
>>384685165
his shitposting game could use some work
I was pretty enraptured all the way through
but
it's an opinion

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>>384673576
>Favorite game
>Bubsy 1
Hilariously bad taste as usual, never change /v/.

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>>384672309
>Sure it's a fun game
>lists some nitpicks
>4/10

>>384685642
the art/character portraits in P3/4 are complete dogshit and make it really hard to go back to.
definitely the reason why most people will only touch 5, and for good reason.

>>384685770
Back to Bloodborne.

>>384685597
Dude, like I said earlier P3 are my personal favorite. It's just that P5 just done it better, like you really can feel the urgency in each day. In P3, it felt nothing, each day just feel normal. And for P4, it was also feel normal until there's sudden fog and you lose the game.

>>384685567
You can probably read into it more than this, but basically Yaldy's exactly the same as the other cognitions.
He's given power by the people to fulfill their desires, so yeah he's not an actual god. Just an entity created from humanity's subconscious.

There's also some implications that they're all a part of P3's big bad too, but I haven't seen concrete proof of this.

>>384685238
And I ate the game up at the same hungry pace as I went through EO4 and Chrono Cross. But I had to take breaks for Strange Journey and FFT:O. Does that mean SJ, Disgeia and Tactics Ogre are objectively objectively for everyone?

What are you trying to prove with that arguement, anon?

>>384685810
I thought 3's were fine/good for the most part, but I agree with you on most of 4's. The side characters especially got the shaft.

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>>384685810
>watch clips of the persona 4 anime
>characters and side characters look attractive
>play persona 4 golden
>character potraits are ugly as sin especially the side characters
were they going for a more realistic approach?

>>384685873
Nothing, I voiced my reasons for why I thought P5 was an uneven experience in a thread about discussing the issues of P5.

>>384685567
You aren't fighting any kind of god, you're fighting a treasure that people turned into a god and have the power to cast it aside at any moment. Him being that weak is reflecting how the sentiments that created him are shallow. And they are, because you don't win in the end because everyone suddenly understood the main cast, you win because despite how many people cry about wanting it, to quote a show written by Lindelof everyone is too chicken shit to die.

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P3FES and the Portable version (for replays) are the only good nu-Persona games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48eRqm7S4jY

This is objective.

>>384685357
>Yes. I don't see the problem with it.

Oh look anothet retarded drone. Having characters like Haru who do nothing for the plot is a huge waste of time. Literally has zero reason to be a major character when all she did was open the gate. The others may have been similar with this but she truly did jack shit.

Having a rival character like Akechi who was prominent through the game only for him to reveal everything in a single confrontation and right after that fucks off for good in the rest of the game is terrible, the same guy who was the killer through the whole game gets put in to the background immediately when found out. They put all that effort on his loki redesign just for some short segment and never to see again.

>>384672309
If you admit that a game is fun and has enjoyable combat, music, and art design but still rate it a 4/10 because you didn't find it intellectually stimulating, you're a piece of shit that blames the fucking rock after you fail to get blood from a stone.

>>This album was enjoyable to listen to with tight pacing and solid production, but it didn't reinvent the genre and instead only refined and polished what we'd already heard before from the artist. 4/10

>>This movie kept me engaged from the opening scene to the final credits, the lead actors gave great performances and the director did a wonderful job presenting it all. But I knew where the plot was going halfway in and wasn't fooled by the twist, 4/10.

>>I finished all 300 pages of this book in one sitting, it kept me so engrossed in the characters and narrative. The dialogue was well written, the author didn't drag his feet through the action and it ended with a satisfying resolution. But it's just another piece of genre fiction rather than the next great American novel, and despite enjoying it I know it won't revolutionize literature as we know it. 4/10.

It's a game. Games are supposed to be fun. If you had fun for over a hundred hours, it's not a fucking 4/10.

Mass Effect Andromeda was a 4/10 game (being generous), 4/10 as a rating means you regret buying it and feel you wasted your time trying to see if it ever got good.

What a pretentious faggot.

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>I'm tired of protagonists being rewarded, even celebrated for enforcing their will on the world through violent means.

its an rpg you faggot do you expect them to solve problems by talking it out?

>>384672309
>Sure, it's a fun game
So it's already above a 5/10. He's tired of things he admit is fun so obviously he's being disingenuous.

>>384672309
>I'm tired of protagonists being rewarded, even celebrated for enforcing their will on the world through violent means
I'm glad they put that at the top so I don't have to read the rest of it.

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>>384672612
hahaha oof gottem XD

>>384686315
You sound like you'll kill yourself one day because someone threats an arbitrary number scale differently than you.

>>384686347
You too.

I understand having a rating system that isn't inflated as shit, but this guy doesn't seem interested in grading games based on their, well, gameplay.
Instead of telling us not to take his scores too seriously, he shouldn't have made his personal circlejerk of a list public to begin with.

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>>384686242
You got any further evidence?
Like survey or something?

>>384686321
He expects them to solve their problems all sitting in a circle of armchairs, smoking pipes and discussing morality at length until they arrive at the end of the game without a single interesting thing happening.
Which is the exact opposite of what P5 is. In fact we found out a few months ago that refusing to address the morality of the cast's actions in th game was something that was done deliberately.

>>384686484
Persona 5 is new.

>>384686185
>you're fighting a treasure that people turned into a god
He's the same as those "desires/treasures" in the palaces, from what I gathered.

>>384686484
What the fuck is this list. Why is DQ3 so high

>>384686542
Doesn't change that people objectively loved it.

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>>384684896
I had fun with Dragon Quest 7 all the way.

>>384686584
>Japan not loving DQ
Anon please.

>>384686626
That list is going to change with time, Persona 3 is that fucking high despite that fact that it's been more than ten years after it released.

Will P5 stay in that number one spot? Come on faggot.

>>384686584
Japs are retarded for DQ for some reason.

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>>384686242
Was gonna complain that the whole song was pretty underwhelming compared to the first 30 seconds of the song but then I realized all nu-Persona opening has the exact same flaw

>>384686447
If your rating is not a reflection of entertainment value it's useless in a review.

Hollow Knight - Boring and monotonous, with oversized screens that offer no meaningful challenge on a micro level. Blindly copies Souls games in all the most annoying ways. Confused, oversaturated visual design that draws the player's eyes everywhere except where they should be looking. This has nothing to offer over any other ~indievania~, so set your sights elsewhere.

shills btfo

>>384672309
PILLAGE THEM!

>>384686708
>>384686706
I get they love DQ, why 3 of all the series

>>384686447
I'm tired of people unable to enjoy something on its own merits and who instead act like every work in a given medium HAS to be a lofty work of art in order to be worth your time or good.

Die Hard is not Twelve Angry Men. That does not mean Die Hard is a bad movie, and it also doesn't mean that you can't enjoy both for what they are.

This cocksucker is holding a game he himself admits he enjoyed to a standard that he knows it can't pass just so he can shit on it and make some pseudo intellectual comments about games glorifying "imposing your will through violence" as if that's somehow bad. Yeah buddy I sure imposed my will all over those fucking demons with a shotgun, I guess Doom was a bad game because carmack didn't give you the option to blow the enemies instead of shoot them.

>>384686348
This.
What kind of videogames does he play then? Domination through violence is the core of everything except Ace Attorney and indieshitvwalking simulators. Can you even "play" VNs?

>>384686727
Yeah.

But denka posted reviews ranging from 1/10 to 10/10, so at least you can see how he rates games relatively to each other.

Will you kys when you see he gave 2/10 to Hollow Knight and Bloodbrony?

>>384686893
Seek help.

>>384673692
>Dies irae ~Amantes amentes~ (light/Regista) - Editing (about 1.5 chapters' worth)
He quite literally proof read a small section and pointed out like two small typos. He literally said so himself. That does not qualify as editing, holy fuck.

>>384686569
that's exactly what he was. Society's desires can be overcome on their own just like the distortions in anyone else, though Sae, Yuki ad Goro are the only ones that do this on their own in the entire game.

>>384686305
>Literally has zero reason to be a major character when all she did was open the gate.
Not really, if you can actually remember what happened during Okumura arc, you'll know she isn't just opening the gate.

And Akechi just a red herring for the real twist anyway. Which surprised a lot of people.
What you're doing is just shrugging everything you don't like and ignored it. Of course you don't like it.
Being triggered over people actually paid attention to the game is just a sign that you really really hate the game no matter what.

>>384672309
>I want them to stuff faggot puzzles in the middle of the dungeon
did a woman write this