Did Total War: Warhammer save the Total War series after

>>384582443
>series is slowly dying
>creators have to make a more casual entry in the series to grow their base
>it's a massive success
>the few hardcore fans who weren't buying enough copies of the older games complain forever about their series being killed

Not even the Fire Emblem people are as whiney as Total War history-fags

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>>384582443
No. It is still dead. Pic related was the last good game in the series.

>>384583367
Just proved >>384583102 right

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>>384583445
No, that person is a retard. What am I supposed to do? Buy 5 copies of Shogun 2?

SUMMON
THE
ELECTOR
COUNTS

>>384583367
Wrong, Rome 2 is a fun game

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>>384583554
No. You need to buy 25 copies of Shogun 2, because theres not a big fan base enough to support dying historyclub.

>>384582443
The only way that CA can save the History part of the franchise is if they completely reinvent the next game by going into a new setting, the safest they could go is China, or they could go the hard and ambicious way and make a TW game in WWII, but they would have to completely remake the gameplay from the ground up.

>>384583760
Emperor Edition had a "Civilization expansion pack"-like effect on the series in a sense that vanilla Rome 2 was fucking unplayable and Emperor Edition made it one of the best TW games

>>384583867
Might as well go Romance of 3 Kingdom and try to get that Chinese money too.

>>384583949
i never played launch Rome 2, only the Emp Edition ever and i still feel like it was pretty weak.

so it makes me wonder how bad launch really was.

>>384583835
Now post Rome 2, and Attila.

>>384583867
but why does the history part matter when fantasy is working a lot better for them?

they should just go full fantasy and try to get rights to lord of the rings and game of thrones

>>384583367
that's not Atilla tho

>>384584251
>total war game of thrones
i would cream

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>>384584235

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Attila fixed everything wrong with Rome 2 and yet nobody talks about it

why dis

I didn't mind the fantasy entry, but I see no reason for a sequel when they could have dipped into hundreds of other established fantasy settings and just made a sequel later when the tech is better, like with almost every other multi-year entry

>>384584529
Because of the combined campaign map.

>>384584529
How can people still be this retarted.

>>384584529
>what are copyright laws

>>384584612
Yeah I suppose that's probably it, but with the amount of DLC they've been pumping for Warhammer 1 it would be a lot better for everyone not having to buy two full priced games + race packs

>>384584448
Rome 2 was such shit that it poisoned the well for years after. Attila is probably the best TW of the past 10 years, but it was scarred by being after Rome 2.

>>384584731
I meant fully licenced of course. Not that I wouldn't be up for a bit of knock of lord of the rings shenanigans

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>>384583102
>really liked the support conversations in fire emblem
>"I wish there was a greater emphasis on character relationships"
>it decends in to waifu faggotry
All I wanted was some cute forbidden love between gatrie and lyre...

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>>384584612
>Brettonia turns out to be a single province

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Total Warhammer 3 is going to be The End Times right?

>>384584994
No.

i like the heroes cause i always use a ton of agents in these games but the sieges are horrid
they just gave up

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Fuggggggg I wanna play this shit so bad but there's no sell and probably won't be one until the fall

I might just nut up and waste my money

Did anyone else really like Empire? I thought the musket combat was pretty cool and called for new strategies. Medieval 2 is always going to be my favorite though.

>>384585630
it got cracked like last month just torrent it

>>384584305
>fictional world with shit armours aesthetic
No.

Someone post the roll chart I wanna roll

>>384585704
Bretonnia gameplay is basically Medieval 3 for me.

>>384582443
Yeah warhammer is really fun

>>384582443
Is Rome 2 worth buying on sale?

>>384584994
Shit timeline

>>384586017
For a decent markdown yeah. You need a some cash leftover for add-ons since they hide any faction worth trying behined a paywall

>>384585952
I pirated Arilla, and bought it on last summer sale. Sadly, I didn't pick up warhammer instead I bought shadow warrior 2. What a mistake. Now, I'm stuck playing Spacewar until next steam sale.

Age of Sigmar > Fantasy

>>384586181
> You need a some cash leftover for add-ons since they hide any faction worth trying behined a paywall

elaborate

>>384582443

Yeah honestly tonally, Total War is probably a better fit for Warhammer than it is for any sort of historical period that isn't just 150 years of bloodbaths.

Total War: Warhammer is probably the most faithful adaption of warhammer fantasy I've ever seen and even tries to get the funny bits right. Cant say the same for Rome or Medieval.

>>384585630
it was on sale during the summer sale, along with the DLC

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>>384586517
Yeah let's just go back to the past a sec, no biggie.

>>384585630
It was 12 dollars on the Humble Monthly awhile ago
>>384582443
They are doing a good job of salvaging their DLC stuff too. Getting rid of the mini-campaigns to add more LLs, starting positions for new factions. Putting Free DLC alongside big paid releases so older factions can get units.

Their big fuck up so far is not un-fucking Chaos till the third game. Chaos, from the ground up, is a shit faction. Awful campaign gameplay, bad units and I think the smallest roster of units alongside the Beastmen.

>>384586875
cdkeys nigga

>>384586308
Primarily Sparta, Egypt and Macedonia. Sparta getting it's own campaign DLC is understandable but you don't get any of the above mentioned factions for the grand campaign in emporer edition.

>>384585704
The thing with empire is that the game is so retardally broken and easy, specially sieges.

NapoopaN kinda fixed those and made it into a playable game.

>>384586875
this site is your friend
http://cheapdigitaldownload.com/total-war-warhammer-digital-download-price-comparison/

>>384585772
It would make CA swim in money though. Even the normiest of normies loves GoT and would cream to play a game where they manipulate the large scale battles.

>>384587131
Empire is just too hueg for me. Also they didn't include any coop or hotseat campaign.

>>384587451
And didn't include South America aswell, when you had a fucking Empire down there.

>>384582443
Atilla was good and a step in the right direction
Warhammer redeemed them

I would really like an end to the general system, though. Sometimes I just want a small group of 4 units or so garrisoning a settlement without using one of my building slots on it. Also fuck limited building slots.

That, along with how the AI seems to refuse attacking any walled settlements, makes me think those are just some tricks meant to hide deficiencies.

>>384582443
What a beautiful smile

QUICK

someone post the laughing gelt pic

I lost it

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>>384587672

>>384584251
>>384584305
I think the world makes for a good Total War game, but the units are very fucking boring for a fantasy world.

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>>384587764
you mean faceapp gelt?

>>384587532
>splitting army
This. Sometimes I get confused why my army won't split up from the general. I have been playing Medieval 2 lately, sometimes I got mixed between the two.

>>384587532
Attila was really lack luster, ugly, and ran like hot dog shit on the sidewalk. Balance was so bad no one stuck around and went back to R2 for MP.

Attila sold luke warm to boot. I hope the sagas don't use Atilla for performance reasons.

>>384587443
Nothing interesting in GoT lore t b h.

>>384584230
>so it makes me wonder how bad launch really was.

Watch "Sane critique: why rome 2 failed", ignore the autism about unit collision. It's like 2 hours of this guy just ripping on it.

>>384587928
yes, thank you so much

>>384588021
GoT is lore is more focused on politics and characters relationships, most fantasy is grounded so to Warhammer or LotR fans the fantasy aspect is pretty boring.

Which is why CA should make a GoT game to appease the normies and the Medieval 3 fags, they could just rip off Bretannia system as template for most factions.

>>384587958
my pirated Warhammer runs 1080@60 with everything maxxed out except shadow and in atilla it runs like 24-30 at most of the time. Animations in battle is kinda rough, too. But at least Charlemagne campaign is worth to play.

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>>384583867
>WWII
>not Vicky era
Post-Waterloo to 1910 has enough things happening then could easily do their Warhammer style release schedule by releasing games focusing on Europe, The Americas, Africa and Asia separately if they wanted. Plus it'd be nice to have a do-over on a fully global Total War after how much of a mess Empire was.

>>384588231
I just don't like the overall aesthetic in GoT that's all.

>>384588021
Kind of with you on that, not majorly invested in the fire and Ice lore but as far as I know there's nothing besides dragons and white walkers to separate it gameplay wise from a medieval 3

>>384582443
Is it true a kingdom of giant rats screws over the Empire and the Dwarves in the Warhammer Fantasy apocalypse?

>>384584251
>try to get rights to lord of the rings and game of thrones

Except that's totally retarded because those things aren't about big battles and they would have to invent so much shit they may as well just create their own fantasy universe

>>384583648
I AM PRINCE

>>384588414
Yeah, why not go for another Medieval sequel? Playing bretonnia faction just reminds me, how great will be Medieval 3 on modern Warscape engine.

>>384584529
>a sequel

There's going to be a third game too.

>I see no reason

Because they did a deal with GW for three games to be made. It's like Activision doing their deal with Bungie to develop Destiny for 10 years or whatever it was.

>>384588408
To do it properly in TWs engine it would have to be as complex or even more so than Atilla's and Rome 2's political system.

>>384588524
Nope. There is no such thing as a "man sized" rat good citizen.

>>384588940
Must be the wind ravaging those settlements

>>384588524
They're not *giant* for the most part, just man-sized.

But yes, they BTFO of the Empire, Dwarves, and many, many others. Though for the Empire in particular, Chaos fucks them over harder.

>>384588912
I knew it was supposed to be a trilogy, my issue is the spacing of the games. Look at the technical leaps between the original rome and rome 2.

Are there even new mechanics coming in?

what's wrong with Rome 2? The only awful thing seemed to be the public order/happiness system

It also had the best song in the series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRCL-3LcWhw

>>384583835
>comparing the player base of a 1 year old game with a 6 year old game

really grasping there aren't you

>>384588524

Yeah although keep in mind its less of a kingdom and more of an entire continents worth of rats.

>>384588893
I'm keen on medieval 3 too, but I'm also wary of the DLC plan for it.

>Scotland is the only playable faction from the British kingdoms

>have to wait a month for $12 English faction pack

>>384585630
Pirate the first game and then buy the second when you have the money.

I have a dumb question. Missile infantry can friendly fire, right? I should put my musketeers in front of my spears then move them to the flanks/backwards when the enemy is closing to melee range?

>>384587086
Bullshit, I haven't paid a cent for DLC and I'm playing Macedon right now.

>>384589824
Yes. Not necessarily, I usually leave gaps in formation for my riflemen to fire through.

>>384589824
Aye

No Attila already did that
I really want them to announce the next historical total war already, warhammer is fine and all but I need more historical shit
>tfw no total war: Bronze Age collapse

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>>384589256
>big selling point for the Warhammer trilogy is that the three games will combine together to make one super campaign encompassing the entire relevant Warhammer world
>hurr why are they all on the same engine with the same graphics?

>>384590106
> a trilogy needs to be on the same engine with recycled graphics
Creative Assembly shills need to kill themselves good and proper.

>>384590038
1) did you buy empire edt?
2) can you play as Egypt or Sparta?

Why does the Empire pretend Skaven don't exist? From a lore perspective.

>>384590329
Fuck reddit rats, though.

>>384590329
Preventing mass panic from citizens?

>>384590079
They are doing Saga games, smaller scale stuff like FotS. The next big historical game is on a new engine

>>384590480
>new engine
Are they going to consoles too?

>>384590329
How would you react if you were told an entire civilization of xenophobic, insane, man-sized rat people were living beneath your feet and under every imperial province?

>>384590380
>Le Reddit rat xd
Stop it

>>384590480
>new engine
Wait, what?

>>384590608
Didn't you hear?

Next historical title already confirmed as a switch exclusive

>>384589191
>man-sized rat
>RAT
>not giant
u wot m8

>>384588524
>kingdom
More like an uncountable number of them

>>384590736
>touchscreen total war
It worked for Rome 2 t bh, I don't really see how total war is impossible to port on to switch

>>384582443
Yes.

TW was dead in the water, with Attila doing even worse than Rome 2 even though it was a better game in most ways, simply because of how many people had given up after Rome 2. The old fanbase had no loyalty and quit the franchise after a single game had rustled their jummies. Meanwhile, side projects like Arena had flopped even before they were released and had to be sold off, contributing to CA's decline.

Warhammer brought a whole new fanbase into the fold and literally brought back the franchise from near-death.

Now CA is more successful than it has ever been, having enough resources to support multiple teams working in parallel on different titles, all because of the massive success of one game. And all along, the historyfags are only proving themselves to be a whiny and unreliable consumerbase, ensuring that there's no profit in giving them what they want.

The promised new history title being outsold by Warhammer 2 by orders of magnitude will put the final nail in the coffin of historical TW games.

>>384591153
>The old fanbase had no loyalty
Everyone was tired of their dlc bullshit.

Been playing Empire again here lately. Honestly it is pretty infuriating, the setting is pretty good though, So I kind of wish they would do an Empire 2.

>>384591689
We're not talking about a paradox game.

>>384583835
>muh nippon
>all time peak of 10K
Weebs btfo

>>384587086
egypt and macedonia aren't DLC
Sparta is an extremely shit faction and you should feel bad for playing it.

>>384591923
What about the blood and gore dlc, or the factions and units behind a paywall ?

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>>384583367
Attila is also pretty good

>>384591153
It wasn't JUST one bad title though. Rome 2 was a massive let down.

Honestly CA always does this shit.

Empire sucked ass. They improved it with the spinoff sequel Napoleon. Then their next entry into the series, Shogun 2 along with its subsequent spinoff, were good games. Then they made Rome 2, Which was a failure. However they improved with the spinoff Attila. Then their next entry, Warhammer, has been good. So on and so forth.

>>384592062
Yeah fuck anyone trying to play as a warrior culture in game about war.

>>384582443
>tfw nobody remembers Attila

>>384592119

I thought the blood dlc was just a way to get around a higher age-rating?

>>384583367
literally tower defense with armstrong guns
my favorite setting but you know its true

>>384592352
That's because nobody bought Attila.

Even Rome 2 sold better than Attila.

>>384590329
to avoid a cuban missile crisis

Is there only one map for sieges in Shogun 2 or am as I retarded as my doctor says?

>>384592290
>warrior kultur
>autistic retards who got curbstomped by everyone and were kept as curiosities by rome.
Sparta is a meme state.

>buying the same game twice

Truly total whores

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>>384592529
>Oh no we need our WARHAMMER game to be a Teen rating, because everybody will care about that
>trust me people definitely care about fucking ratings because after Call of Duty and Halo we know for a fact that young kids can't get their hands on Mature rated games
Do you believe this?
This was a classic cutting of content to be sold at a later date, nothing more.

>>384584230
Launch was so bad, I played the game for four hours and uninstalled. Never downloaded it since, even after they gave everyone the emperor edition for free.

After getting burned on Shogun 2 and Rome 2 I'm done with the Total War series.

>>384593005
>le same game meme

If you repeat it enough, maybe you'll start believing it yourself eventually.

>>384593104

Total idiots believe that making the same game just with new units warrants full Aa price again

Keep ruining the industry while sucking CA's cock total bitch

>>384591153
>Empire is shit
>Shogun 2 is shit
>Rome 2 is shit
>Less factions than past games
>DLC factions
>DLC units
>DLC blood

Nah. CA has fucking sucked for a while now.

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>>384584305
It would be easy as fuck because the player faction would be run by an actual person and not the retard robot committee.

>>384593276
If only the tears of historyfags could be harnessed as a power source.

>>384582443
Casualised crap. Warhammer fantasy is awful tier fantasy at best. Combat looks terrible. It plays like a cartoon. The engine for medieval had better collisions and combat than the modern games. Units would step to oneside to allow a unit to walk through them. Now the units glide and flit about and generally look a mess because the unit collision is dreadful. The current engine still makes units look bad from distance. Still haven't sorted out CPU usage. Relies on 2 cores at most.
All Warhammer has done is prove they can step up their dlc game and charge even more exorbitant prices than they were already doing. It has also allowed them to simplify the campaign even more than they had in Rome 2.

>>384593575
As an aside to that, how can WARHAMMER launch after Rome 2 but have worse combat animation?

Have they even given a reason for it?

>>384593346
>every faction plays differently.
>best modding tools in warscape so far.
>you can play against the DLC if you don't want to buy it, meaning free content.
>worst.

>inb4 buggy medieval2 was the best because CA basically released 2 script files and an exe to charge you extra.

>>384593276
Can you not go complain about the annual COD or Ubisoft release or something?

It amazes me the amount of time people will spend shitting up the threads for such a specific series

>>384593734
>Content locked behind a paywall is free content

Holy fuck, that is some serious mental gymnastics

Restart your Steam client, boys. They literally just released the free Krell DLC.

>>384584251
Yeah third age was great. An actual total war game set around the battles of middle earth would be unreal. They would need a better engine to support bigger armies though.

>>384593905
>content locked
no, post game content that you can play against if you don't want part of it is not locked content. Its pretty much a demo.

>>384592529
If that was true they would have sold the blood DLC for $0.01 and not five bucks. It's not some technicality they had to work around, it's just simple nickel and diming.

>>384583367
Great game, but Rome 2 and Attila are good too. Warhammer is absolute garbage though, a literal 0/10 casualized pile of shit gutted of features, depth, and content and it definitely killed this franchise. Very sad to see.

>>384594069
the problem isn't with the engine per se, it has more to do with the fact that people's potatoes will explode with tens of thousands of soldiers on the screen.

>>384584251
>but why does the history part matter when fantasy is working a lot better for them?

because they're the only franchise who even bothers with history anymore

you take the history out of Total War, you take history out of videogames for good.

>>384594374
>Total War is the only franchise that does history games

I found the biggest casual ever.

>>384594069
My biggest issue with a LoT based TW is that to get good reason for lots of factions and lots of war they'd have to go back in time lore wise, which is fine but CA probably can't be bothered digging through Tolkien books to find a setting.

>Great games like Shogun 2 and Napoleon are ignored by the general consumer
>Stupid fucking simplified orcs and elves become popular

Where the fuck is the new historical game, CA?

>>384593729
Don't know but reminds me.
>>384593575
The Blood dlc for warhammer. What a mess. Literally the same gibbing animation over and over. The combat looks poor. I mean I know it's fantasy but they could have made the interactions a bit more realistic. Was very disappointed when I bought warhammer.

>>384593575
All of this. The game is fucking terrible and has completely killed the series to pander to the pathetic fans of a dead tabletop game with an utterly generic and bland, dime a dozen fantasy setting. Pure, dumbed down, overpriced cancer.

>>384594364
Definitely the engine. It only uses two cores. If it actually used a decent amount you could have huge battles. They have always had a unit size slider so that isn't an issue. The peasants would deal with it.

>>384593575
>Now the units glide and flit about and generally look a mess because the unit collision is dreadful
Holy shit this, it's absolutely fucking abhorrent.
>need your hero on the front lines?
>fuck you

>>384594839
The engine is 64 bit in warhammer. You can have 40 unit armies in the campaign with a save file edit.

>>384590190
I wonder why they're trying to add new things to improve the game instad of unnecessarily changing the engine when literally noone but 1 (one) retard on /v/ wants them to

>>384594489

name another franchise of this pedigree and this level of reach to big audiences

Historical games just don't blow up like this anymore.

>Warhammer 2
Fuck these jews for splitting it like that

>>384594504
Nah just do a third age. Has all the good stuff from films etc. Then they could do histroical battles. Dagorlad, Lonely Mountain, Helms Deep, Shire, Osgiliath. Siege of Minas Tirith.

Then for dlc they go back in time. Same map but older factions. A bit like the early samurai dlc for Shogun 2.

>>384593024
>>384594320
To be fair, the first time they did it with Shogun 2, it was less than a dollar. But yes, every time they've done it since they've increased the price and are blatantly being scum about it.

>>384594639
Never ever. Watch them whip out 40k games after this.

>>384594961
Hopefully they take things forward from attila with more deeper intra faction politics.

>>384595009
>I have no idea how dawn of war 1's expansions worked.

>>384594639
Another team is working on it, calm your tits.

They really should drop this garbage setting and do a Star Wars Total War. Huge space battles, massive ground battles. Works perfectly and would force them to actually think of new mechanics instead of copying the old games and then casualizing the fuck out of them by removing 85% of the features and depth like they did here.

>>384595052
That sounds like a good time, hopefully a dedicated modding team does something along those lines in a modern title like the with 3rd age for Medieval 2

>>384595295
Yeah there a two mini projects that will be like standalone dlcs to recent titles.

Then a big new game. Maybe on a new engine.

Evidence points to either China, Victorian or Pike and Shot setting,

>>384595407
Rise of Mordor is a mod that plans to do something like that. No campaign map at the moment due to modding the map issues. Can't move cities etc. But it plans to add all the different factions. A real middle earth map with all factions is on my wishlist of games. As is a Middle Earth Elder scrolls or Assassins creed/Witcher game.

>>384584448
Attila's marketing was absolutely dogshit.
I didn't even know it had came out until 2 weeks after release, and when I saw it I assumed it was an expansion

>>384595658
Do you have any links for that project, I'd love to see it

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>>384592561
I get what you're saying but Rome 2 sold really well. The fact that it's a bland pile of dung doesn't change that.

Warhammer 2 isn't even going to sell half of what the first did since no one who actually likes Total War is going to bother with this trash again. I hope CA doesn't end up dying before they can put out more actual TW games.

>>384582443
Attila unironically should have saved the series.

Unfortunately the clusterfuck that was Rome 2 on release turned away many of the older fans. The casuals that started with Shogun found it too complicated or complained that there weren't enough bright colours to keep them interested. Pathetic really.

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YOU'LL NEVER DEFEAT THE HUMAN SPIRIT

>>384596035
t. Butthurt historycuck
Keep crying autist

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>like Warhammer fantasy
>like total war
>still can't enjoy TWW

>>384596035
I enjoyed warhammer way more than the other games 2bh.

not to be a shill but

https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/888083133802917892

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>>384584448
Bad rep after R2 and late antiquity is one of the less popular settings

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>>384584230
Idk, if you're not interested in history, then this game is probably not for you

>>384582443
>Did Total War: Warhammer save the Total War series
It might as well not have, the game has no depth compared to any other title in the series. The setting is cool, but the gameplay is meh at best.

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>>384584423
>Empire that high
I-It's shit, g-guys

>>384584448
Its optimized like shit

I bought Attila long time ago, but I haven't even touched it. I bought TWW not so long ago and I havent touched either. Which one should I install to enter this franchise?

>>384596639
o shit

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>>384597125
Warhammer since you're new.

>>384594767
>series is doing better than ever
>'killed the series'

What did he mean by this?

>>384597125
Do you prefer management or battles?
If the former, Attila. If the latter, WH

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>>384597056
>popularity = quality
lmao

>>384597308
>What did he mean by this?
Probably this
>pander to the pathetic fans of a dead tabletop game with an utterly generic and bland, dime a dozen fantasy setting. Pure, dumbed down, overpriced cancer.

>>384597125
Warhammer's easier for new players

>>384597125
Do you want an epic, over the top fantasy Warhammer game with thousands of units on screen, magic and monsters? Play TWW.

Do you want a semi-historical game set during the fall of the Roman Empire? Play Attila.

My personal recommendation would be to play Rome TW or Medieval 2 TW, however. Especially if you're new.

>>384597056
It is shit, though. This is irrefutable.

Unfortunately it also has one of the best settings and campaign maps in the series, so you have to put up with its shittiness if you want to experience that.

>>384597125
Warhammer my guy, its newer and great for beginners

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>>384582443
skaven trailer when?

>>384597452
Better than pandering to history retards who wont pay for anything and want everything in the PC space to be F2P garbage

>>384582443
nope warhammer made TW fanbase to reddit GW cancer and CA/Sega will exploit those warhammer sheeps with there 20 bucks for each faction.

>>384597452
>all this butthurt

>>384597676
>want everything in the PC space to be F2P garbage
Are you fucking retarded? When did historical Total War fans ever say that they want new games in franchise to be F2P?

>>384597676
>who wont pay for anything
Or maybe some people just don't enjoy buying games that have been cut into pieces, which are then sold at twice the price of a AAA game. Especially for a game which is mechanically weaker than it's predecessors.

>m-muh six germanic subfactions!

Get fucked historyfags. CA will never touch history again.

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>>384584305
>Total War set in the Malazan world
>any game set in the Malazan world
I'd give my left nut for it.

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Can anyone explain to me how Total War: WH II DLC is going to work with 1st one? They mentioned something about compatibility between the two. What if I own both games?

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>>384583949
>>384583760

Wait, a fucking sec., they fixed Rome 2 completely? It was an abomination for 1-2 years after release.

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I will never enjoy the new titles like Medieval 2, because they fucked the unit recruitment. It makes no sense to be able to recruit your most elite units up to an artificial faction limit, but all in the same fucking turn.

I want unit pools back, why can't devs just add such things as gameplay options ffs...

>>384598174
They're basically two separate games with two separate DLC plans, eventually they'll sync up as one map though if you own both

Eg: if you own rise of the beastmen then you'll be able to use those beastmen on the joined map

>>384598114
Why would they? They make more money with half the effort now. People like you will pay money for anything lmao.

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>>384597896
>>384597962

>Are you fucking retarded? When did historical Total War fans ever say that they want new games in franchise to be F2P?

That's the inevitable result of historyfag austism

>i demand the next game be this exact time period that me and 20 other people want
>it has to be a AAA game on one platform and everything done properly
>i will pay you exactly $20 for it
>if I can find anything to nitpick at all that means I get to pirate it
>actually it was a ruse, I haven't enjoyed anything since Medieval 2 in 2006 but I inexplicably stick around trying to influence the direction of the series anyway lmao

No wonder you guys will never be catered to again. Attila was basically the most in depth you could get in terms of province management, family tree and politics and none of you bought it

>>384598372
I see. Thanks, anon.

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>>384598174
>>384598372
Warhammer 1 = notEurope part of the map
Warhammer 2 = New World and Ulthuan
Warhammer 3 = ???

SUMMON

>>384598543
T O M B K I N G S

>>384597125
Attila is tough for beginners. You have to manage sanitation, public order, faction politics, fertility (if you're in N Europe) and food, which for some reason you can't transport between provinces. Don't forget Attila and his infinately spawning stacks of T3 horse fuckers.

Warhams is ALOT easier, and has next to no territory management. Its essentially simply about micromanaging your heroes and special units in battles.

>>384598453
>i will pay you exactly $20 for it
>if I can find anything to nitpick at all that means I get to pirate it
>actually it was a ruse, I haven't enjoyed anything since Medieval 2 in 2006 but I inexplicably stick around trying to influence the direction of the series anyway lmao

Putting words in my mouth, the post.

>>384598448
You should have bought Attila if you wanted more history shit. It's Warhammer from now on.

Quick /v/:

Give me your top 3 mods for total warhammer

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>>384598448
My favorite thing about this post is that you added "lmao" to the end in an attempt to hide your buttfrustration

>>384598543
>WH3
I think it'll be "the dark lands" part of that map with an expansion of the chaos wastes as well. it's speculated that game 3 will add the ogre kingdoms and chaos dwarves (which fit into the dark lands) and 4 separate demons of chaos factions for each chaos god

>>384598772
I own them all up to the first Warhammer Total War. Atilla was great. Warhammer is shit. Super shallow and boring to play. Not worth 60+ dollars.

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>grew up on rome I and medieval 2
>mfw warhammer is the best total war and im barely running it with 4gb ram

>>384597962
It's cut into pieces because otherwise it just wouldn't be viable to make it. Factions are no longer just glorified reskins like in the past, they actually put in effort now. The way they price the DLCs is absolutely disgusting, we can agree on that, but the main game plus all the DLC you get for free provides ample amounts of content as is and puts just about any AAA game to shame. And for every mechanical shortcoming, it does two things better than "it is predecessors."

And given that your argument is historical vs fantasy, it's incredibly stupid to think their DLC practices would be any better for historical titles.

>>384598953
>I bought everything in a sale last year

You only have yourself to blame.

>>384598847
>Projecting

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>>384599017
How didn't you grow up on HoMM 3, assuming you're russian?

>>384599126
I have been playing Total War for a lot longer than I have had a steam account. I'm not 16 like you, champ.

>>384595658

Elder Scrolls would have fucking great unit diversity and special abilities but i struggle to work the politics in unless you go great war

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>>384599258
homm is trash fingol

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>>384598448
>actual effort being put in different factions for the first time
>half the effort
Any one of the race packs, aside from Chaos, had more effort put in than all the reskins put together

>>384599338
How many hours in TW, if you don't mind showing? Just curious

I will never stop laughing at the history fags are only getting a game anytime soon because TWW sold so well CA can have multiple teams now, but they still insist on autistically screeching at every Warhammer trailer.

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>>384583867
Total War: Magic the Gathering

>>384598790
March stance costs movement for activation
AI army Composition (Even if you do lose the End Times MVP army)
Capital Overhaul

>>384599837
That requires a setting.

>>384599875
>March stance costs movement for activation
can you link it? Sounds godsend.

>>384582443
his expression looks like it's made with faceapp

>>384600015
IIRC, it's called March stance 100% cost

>>384586017
Just get Attila senpai

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>>384599837
>Anything MTG after the shit show that was Battle for Zendikar and Eldritch Moon

>>384599875
>>384600015
isnt that defeating the entire purpose of march stance? Sounds almost as retarded as increased movement in home territory.

>>384583867
>>384599837
Total War: Age of Sigmar

>>384584251
LotR might work, GoT would be fucking terrible for this.

Honestly though, no fantasy setting was as well suited as Warhammer.

>>384587859
As compared to what, thirty differently named spearmen and levels of cavalry?

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>>384600069
Thanks anon

>>384582443

/his/fag

Warhammer is cancer to the Total War series.

>>384600247
If it weren't for the shameless abuse of it by the AI it would be fine.

>>384589595
>what is all-time peak

>>384600014
> dominaria
> khans
> mirrodin
> alara
> kamigawa
Pick one

>>384600247
I'd say that the way AI abuses the stance is worse

>>384584968
it's literally going to be the two full-size maps stapled together

>>384600609
It's a joke referencing how France was a single region in Empire, you pleb.

>Krell confirmed
>Legendary Hero Precedent has now been set
Aside from Gotrek and Felix, who's coming up next?

>>384598282

only if you consider a good mod to make it a good game

Divide Et Impera makes the whole game far more interesting with recruitment based on population, with units drawing from a pool that grows and depletes depending on your management, and different tiers of units draw from different classes of population

>>384589334
Those fucking unit cards were the most ugly unit cards I've ever seen in my entire life. Did they change those with the EE release?

>welf is too op plz nerf!
>Decide to play them today since they're the only ones I haven't beaten the game as
>war with brets, attack
>Literal fortress full of good tier garrisons on top of their already full stack by turn 4
>restart
>build up and look for easier targets
>beastmen home in and attack by turn 5
>restart
>well, those orcs on the east looks easy
>Equal stacks
>elf king and wayfarer hero can't beat the orc boss together, orion wounded
>wild riders obliterated in 5 seconds by a single charge against goblin riders
>goblin spearmen slaughter eternal guards
>the super archers kill 4 orc Boyz per volley
>eagles killed by a single Wolf archer unit within 10 volleys, they kill 10 wolves
Never again.

>>384600939
>legendary hero
he's a summon that Krell gets on the battle map itself

>>384600963
Is it balanced? I mean, do these mechanics also apply to AI?

>>384591976
back in 2011 10k players was a lot. you get in the top 100 with like 900 players

I have some of the older TW(Rome, MedII, Empire, Naps) in Steam.
I have always tried playing them but in the field battles I feel like i just pick random units and try to go through with the most basic shit.
>Spearmen kill horses, sword guys fuck up spearmen, archers shoot stuff, Cavalry gives archers a bad time
Which TW I should pick as first and what are some good learning material?

>>384590079
>tfw no total war: Bronze Age collapse
That would be dope as fuck

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This literally just went on sale at least for me on Steam.
What do?

>>384600985
if you beeline for Carcassone you can probably take it in the first couple turns, then the settlement on the coast is easy pickings

after that, just turtle and raid a bit until you get Warden of the Wild Hunt+No Attrition tech. Then recruit an LL and go hogwild on the Badlands and just let the snowball roll

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>>384597536
fucking this. I went back and played it a couple months ago, and the ENTIRE TIME I was playing around, there were so many little fucking problems or bugs, that if they just spent more time cleaning that shit up and adding additional features, it would still be the most talked about total war game of all time. People would have immediately dropped Rome and Medieval 2 to check this game out and would still be playing it.

And they fucked it up

how about Total War: Linkin Park boys

>>384584448
After Attila, I can't go back to Rome 2 even after all it's fixes.

How would you fix Greenskins abominable anti large capabilities, /v/?

At this point Vermintide and Total Warhammer are the last stands of Warhammer Fantasy in the world.

Why GW

WHy

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>>384583367
Attila and warhammer is definitely better than shogun/fots

>>384601671
there's also Mordheim

>>384601413
Buy it and learn why Karl Franz I, Protector of the Empire, Defier of the Dark, Emperor Himself and the Son of Emperors, Elector Count of Reikland and Prince of Altdorf is the best girl.

>>384601671
GW's releasing a new RPG for it too, I think.
Depending on how well TWW does, they might make an alternate universe where Archaon fails.

>>384601671
You can't stop the age of Sigmar. Adapt or die

>>384582443
Nothing could have possibly saved Empire:TW, which made me never buy any further game from them.
I know I'm missing out, I know they did the next ones much better, but I will never, ever forgive them for Empire. I was still a child and I have been wronged.

>>384601790
Isn't Warhammer the fastest-selling Total War to date and also has the best-selling DLC, or something like that?

>>384582443
eh.

>>384601790
>I think.
http://cubicle7.co.uk/cubicle-7-and-games-workshop-announce-new-edition-of-warhammer-fantasy-roleplay/

I don't think there's been much news about it since then.

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Looks like all of the DLC is on sale for 33%

Should I just cave and get it all? I still feel disgusted that I have to pay $2 for blood but at least it's not 3.

Maybe I'm getting too tired to fight the good fight

>>384601984
Yep.
It's to the point where fucking SEGA of all people is starting to dial back the DLC Jewry in favour of long term profit.

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>>384601781
That's still a relatively large amount of money.
It's not like I can't easily afford it but it might still feel like a waste for something I might not enjoy since I'm a historyfag.

>>384601724
This. Mordheim is fucking amazing and easily the best SRPG released in years. No other SRPG offers as much character creation and advancement depth as Mordheim does, no SRPG contains the combat system features that Mordheim does. It's a criminally underrated game and all because people are too rigid minded to see behind some simple flaws like a shitty interface and a slow start.

>>384602145
>can buy the game and all the DLC for the price of the non-sale base game
there are worse ways to spend your money

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>>384582443
No, but it's a pretty good game. Total War has mostly been dead to me since Rome 1. Medieval 1 was my favorite Total War since I much preferred the province level movement as opposed to the "Spend 5 turns chasing an enemy army around on the map" of the 3D games, and I liked seeing how traits and shit panned out on leaders which they continually toned down in the series.

I eventually jumped ship to Crusader Kings which was more what I was after, but then Crusader Kings 2 got shittier and shittier so now I'm left with nothing for my medieval incest videogames. Total Warham is still fun though, played a few campaigns of it.

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>>384582443
Good for memes I suppose

>>384602145
King and the Warlord + Grim and the Grave are both worth it.
Chaos Warriors definitely aren't.

Beastmen are for if you want a horde campaign, and WElves are for if you want a skirmisher army and/or pissed off trees

>>384602229
>>384602373
Thank you.
I will have one more beer and some wine and then buy it.

>>384602373
Grim and the Grave is probably the only one I'd say isn't worth it

>>384601223
Shogun 2 is by far the best starting point, but any of those you already own are fine too. There's not much to really say, you already understand the basics of what units are good against, so you just have to play smart with that in mind. Take terrain into account always. Being on a hill defending is always better than trying to attack a hill, and if the enemy is camping a hill, you'll either need a much greater force or to flank the shit out of them.

>>384601102

AI also becomes smarter overall though sadly it's still a breeze if you're a remotely competent player

The game is actually more balanced with it than vanilla

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>>384602145
Only get the non-free DLC if the faction interests you.

This game stopped working on my computer. Just won't launch anymore.

>>384602495
Alright, so just install one and commit to it. Thanks

>>384602495
>Shogun 2 is by far the best starting point
It isn't. Unironically, Warhammer is the best starting point, because its campaign map systems (economy, building and so on) are simplified, compared to other TW games, but battles are the best in the series, ensuring that newcomers won't get bored or overwhelmed by the campaign map systems.

>>384602489
Maybe less so on the vampire side, but Flagellants and Free Company are incredibly useful early game, and their RoR are pretty good.

>>384582443
>shithammer
>saved
More like finished off.

>>384601565
Isn't it also because Empire has more mods than Napoleon?
Maybe those are cool, idk
I only really played Medieval2 mods

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>>384602373
>>384602521
Will there be more DLC do you think or it's just Warhammer 2 now?

>>384603036
Norsca comes out next month and you get it for free if you pre-order Warhammer 2 or buy it during first week of release, so it's safe to say there's no more DLC planned for Warhammer 1.

>>384602748
No. Aside from the fact that Warhammer is an unmitigated pile of steaming dogshit in every single way, it does not teach you the game the way Shogun 2 does because that game is the TW series boiled down to its most pure form.

>>384602373
>>384602486
Nigga, chaos is best faction. Nothing beats straight man vs man combat with small tactics. I love the chaod campaign and all the units.

i can only buy 1 DLC

beast man or elf

>>384603036
The nature of 2 being essentially an expansion will probably mean that the old world will get some content alongside it.

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I bought the base game on Humble Bundle a few months ago for 9 euro and I love it, picked up all the DLC today in the sale for 49 euro, 58 euro for the whole lot did I do good?

>>384603214
Elves content wise.

>>384603036
there's Norsca, but that's the preorder bonus for 2. We don't know at this point if there will be more for 1 after that.

>>384603213
Chaos is the most boring faction in the game for Single Player, and their units are hideously overpriced in Multi.

>>384582443

>Really want this game to play Lizardmen, Skaven Ogre Mercs.
>They're not in the game
>Wait until DLC for them is released
>Figure game will be cheaper and more complete by then
>Never happens
>Second game at even higher place is announced instead

The jewishness levels of Total Warhammer is overwhelming. But I did end up getting the game in the Humble Monthly. I tried playing it and it's fucking shit. Played Bretonia, and the enemy Chaos armies absolutely refuse to fight me. I've united Bretonia and need Bravery points or whatever, but I spend 30 turns just running after Chaos armies that are just running away from me constantly. I can't ambush because I lose my Bravery. And when I do finally start a fight, the entire enemy Chaos army is... Horse riding axe throwers that run away from my cavalry.

I just stopped playing because it was absolutely no fun. Why the fuck would you make a war game where all the enemy ever does is run away, both on the map and in the fights? And it's fucking Chaos no less.

>>384603372
Send an agent to sabotage their army, you daft cunt

>>384588546
>LOTR
>Not about big battles
Look at him and laugh

>>384603036
pretty sure norsca is the last paid DLC for warhammer 1

>tfw my favorites are Warhammer for the battles and Attila for the campaign mechanics

Who /history and fantasy together in harmony/ here

The non-combat aspect of Warhammer is kinda meh, but the battles are fantastic and really fun, I just wish in TW2 they put more depth and challenges in the campaign aspect.

>>384603168
>>384603219
>>384603345
>>384603514
I bought the base game and all DLC except Norska since that one was only 10% off.
Thanks for the responses.

>>384603721
well you shouldn't buy Norsca separately anyway if you plan on getting 2

>>384602949
I too enjoy being antagonistic contrarian for attention, sir!

>>384603454

Bretonia doesn't have anyone that can do that. You can assassinate or damage their units, but you can't slow them.

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>>384583835
The historical TW fans need to just get over it. Historical TW isn't going anywhere, but it's clear that Warhammer is where the money is, just like with tabletop war gaming. Historical war gaming never acrtually disappeared, but war gaming was never that huge of a hobby in the first place until Warhammer came onto the scene.

>>384588402
napoleon total war mods are your friend

>people think the new + old world won't be a compressed campaign map where every whole province is a single town, and a nation is the size of a province or two, meaning 2-3 towns and a capital

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>>384603786
Well I was thinking getting 2 depends on how much I like this one which I plan spending the majority of my time this weekend on so I'll see about Norska afterwards.

>>384603372
It's 66%off right now in steam

>>384604536
>But I did end up getting the game in the Humble Monthly

>>384603235
DID I DO GOOD GUYS?

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>>384584994
>game where you automatically lose at the end unless you are playing as Chaos

I highly doubt it. It's possible that the end times concept will be touched on if you're playing as chaos and your goal is to wipe out the entire map, but if you play as anyone else, the end times concept doesn't make any sense because the whole point of playing is to explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate, and you can't do that if you are predestined to lose and watch the world crumble around you.

Not to mention that the End Times event was pretty much universally hated by the Warhammer Fantasy Battle fandom. Yes, some good models and Vermintide came out of it, but it marked the intended death of Warhammer Fantasy Battle as a table top game. Much to GW's dismay though, the ever stubborn WFB fandom has continued to slog onward without GW's support, even after their game was replaced by the dumpster fire that is Age of Sigmar.

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>>384587672
>>384587821

>>384584994
>>384604642
Chances are 3 will have a colossal brawl with all the evil races getting their own stacks for the End Times in the various locations

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>>384604753

>>384582443
It's really solid. I've been playing since medieval 1 and it was a nice change up for the series. They've confirmed a historical game is in the works so I don't know what the butthurt is all about.

>>384603886
if bretonnia is not your style, why not change faction?

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is there anything comfier than building roads throughout your lands?

>>384604916
Like I said, it's something that makes sense to touch on in #3, but with the way Total War games work it wouldn't make any sense to have the end times play out exactly like they did in the tabletop game because that would mean the game is impossible to win. Basically the player would be dropped into an end-times-like scenario where the stakes are high, but they still have the ability to win and defeat Chaos rather than letting the universe unravel.

Age of Sigmar has pretty much no future as far as video games go. Even though sales wise the tabletop is doing a little better than Fantasy Battle was before GW pulled the plug on it, it does not have 30 years of lore for licensees to mine, and it has none of the brand recognition or comfortably familiar fantasy tropes that 40k or Fantasy Battle have. It's just this weird angels and demons shit that only really exists to sell toys and doesn't really have any transcendent appeal.

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Help

>>384605518
check game cache with steam.

>>384605518
Try clicking OK, Anon.

>>384605392

But I love Bretonia. They're what I played on the tabletop, and the game was a lot of fun until Chaos came out and turned into my only enemy, and absolutely refuses to fight me. That's what is really getting to me. Chaos is trying to destroy the world by... running away?

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>>384605476
>it does not have 30 years of lore for licensees to mine
The lore being shit doesn't help either.

>>384603036
There'll be more DLCs, probably Kislev and new Chaos armies. I'm sure some DLCs are going to by playable on both tw1&2

>>384605871
Try fortifying all your towns, then giving them some space.
They'll attack them, not be able to breach the walls in one turn, then leave themselves open for you to attack

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>>384605914
>Welcome to to Age of Sigmar, where everything's made up and the battles don't matter!

>>384584448
I don't like the time period.

If I want so see barbarians invade and destroy Europe I can look out of the window.

>>384605476
>>384604642

Chaos being guaranteed to win doesn't have to be the case. I mean, you can go against history in other TW games just fine. I mean, we already have an End Times-ish finale to every campaign where Chaos turns up and will burn the world to the ground unless you stop it. All it's lacking is a big final quest battle like the Beastmen got (Fall of Man) and a victory cutscene showing Archaon getting smashed by Franz/cycle charged by Leoncoeur/headbutted in the dick by Grimgor etc.

>>384584448
All units look like hobos, setting is shit, the building tree is unecessary bloated, squalor is a joke

Warhammer Fantasy.
But like TES.
every race playable withouth restricting anything.
Made by Bethesda.
You know it will revitalise and save the setting.

>>384605871
If you don't mind mods, I think there's one that make the chaos more aggressive

>>384606918
it'd be good if all the evil take-over-the-world type factions got an End Times scenario that triggers when certain conditions are met. Tomb Kings/Cunts get a Return of Nagash, Chaos/Beastmen get End Times, Skaven get their own special blend of End Times.

>>384606513
Everything is made up. No matter how much you love it.

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>>384582443
Warhammer was a definite step up in the franchise, but dear god does it have some issues.

>AI plays to do one thing: make you fucking rage, nothing else
>character quests are god awful
>agent system sucks
>noncombat management nonexistent
>stat system is vastly inferior and needlessly convoluted compared to the old one
>campaign map movement is fucking mess
>no family tree

I'm being a little nitpicky here and there, but some of WH's issues become very hectic in the mid to late game, to the point that it starts to suck the fun out of it. Hopefully CA fixes some of this shit for WH2.

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How do I play as the orcs and the dwarves? I can't seem to get the hang of them.
SUMMON

>>384607296
go away Todd

>>384607375
Except it would mean playing them is pointless. Just raid and hide until end times trigger to get ultimate units and abilities.

>>384607458

You mean in battle or on the campaign map?

>>384607562
I meant like there'd be a Grand Campaign quest similar to what the Wood Elves have to do, or like the Vortex campaign in 2. So if you're playing them, you'd have to meet the certain conditions yourself, like "get Archaon to X level" or "have X number of Y units in Arkhan's army"

>>384582443
Of course not dumbass. It's a pay2win or take advantage of bad game design cluster. Nothing else to it; and if someone disagrees it is a safe bet that they "main" the over powered factions. Oh and you see a faction that's really cool? It's about the third of the price of the game! Oh and you want another map with a few extra factions?! 60 dollars please!!!! The people who would defend this game are the type who defend Ubisoft and Microsoft.

There has been major mistakes made with the game design and the balancing and the community eats it up. If you do QM without playing the top tier factions you will lose. Everytime. Instead of making the armies balanced they rather hide things behind a pay wall.

For too long I've tried to justify playing this game. "Oh they will patch this problem out! Oh they will fix it where those guys cant just run in and out of combat without taking damage!" Instead of any fixes, I get a 60 dollar expansion.

GG CA

>>384607424
How are the quests awful? It's just a bunch of side objective that lead to a scripted battle with a cutscene and all

Agents are the same than in any other TW

The stats are ultra fucking simple

A fucking family tree? You thinks that it works? Grimgor fucks an orkette and Grimgor junior gets to rule the waaagh? What the fuck, most factions have some kind of political tree where you can put your generals in