>Story falls apart after Kamoshida Can anyone please

>>384536283
It doesn't.

>>384536283
Nobody can elaborate on this.
Please refer to >>384536720

people think that kamoshida was the most well written scummy villain and everyone else had shitty motivations

because mainline games have a much better story

this game clearly wasn't meant for westerners

I was rooting for shido the whole time

>>384536720
Fpbp
Kamoshida did feel a lot stronger then every other villain because he works at the school, the place where you and your party go to everyday to learn. Other villains were obviously a lot more dangerous but he was the first and the closest to you.

>>384536283
Kamoshida was the only good villain and every arc after him pales in comparison. And Shido and Goro were massive fucking retards, probably the worst in the series. The game is all tell and not show.

I'd say that Kamoshida was definitly the strongest of the villans, but by no means did the game get any worse after his arc. People like >>384537203
are VASTLY overstating the problem here, if it can even be considered a problem.

>>384536283
The amount of character arcs, story arcs, grows exponentially with each chapter. every chapter is full of too many beginnings and endings and just makes everything feel muddled, rushed, and overwhelming. No single story gets enough time in the spotlight to shine.

>>384537319
It's the most blatant problem with the games narrative.

>>384536283
As someone who enjoyed the entire game except for the spaceship and Mementos, Kamoshida was the best because he was actually a threat to Joker and visible some other way than cutscenes. You saw him around the school being a cunt. You were in genuine danger of being expelled. You actually wanted him to change/die/et cetera because he was such an ass to you both in-palace and out. Plus, the party was less bloated at that point in time and you didn't have time to be completely disenchanted by the game at that point, worn down by constant repetitive text message conversations and formulaic bullshit.

>>384536846
That's pretty much reversed.
Kamoshida just wants to grope high school girl and lord over the other kids. Somehow finding fulfillment in doing that. He's twisted and it's about just that. His motivations are shit. He wants to bang high school girls. If being a pedo is good motivation for you, maybe you should take a seat.

Madarame is a jealous cunt who, frustrated by his inability to get big in art, decided to fuck people over and steal their art in order to become an art genius in the public's eye and he started making mad money by selling fake paintings of some woman he knew who he let die so he could steal her shit. His motivations are clear although it's not anything too impressive.

Kaneshiro is a smart bully who managed to ruin kid's lives by driving them into debt to the point of servitude. About as well written as Kamoshida and still not one of the best.

Kunikazu is basically drunk on power and he wants more, no matter what the cost is. Despite being a decent person in the past, he's lost his way and created a void between him and his daughter. The daughter isn't forceful enough to drag him back into the straight path and he's too blinded by his prospect of entering the political world to see how badly he treats everyone around him. He's probably the most tragic of the bunch considering his fate. His motivations aren't shitty.

Masayoshi Shido is trying to become the prime minister and he's accumulated crazy amount of power on his road to becoming prime minister. He's someone who gets shit done, has a clear objective in mind and has the willpower to go through it even putting his life on the line in the end. His motivation is anything but shitty.

>>384537807
>Kamoshida was the best because he was actually a threat to Joker
Oh, and Masayoshi Shido and his bastard weren't a threat weren't they?

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Kamoshida was the best because the game had four things to focus on. You, Ryuji, Ann and Kamoshida. There wasn't anything else going on at that point. Afterwords, the game starts to open up, mostly with the world, side NPC's and Le Blanc.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5Jmfmkgx0
Here's to hoping that a new version changes everything (except for the music).

I swear to fucking christ this meme is on the same level as faggots spewing "Midgar was the highlight of FFVII's story".

>>384537005
>>384537807
Yeah, that sounds about right. The other villains are way more threatening in a real way, but Kamoshida has presence.
The setup of "I'mma gonna getcha! In a month give or take" makes for a lot of downtime where you just want to grind out social links and talk to girls and tell your party members to fuck off about momentos for the last time.

Subtle changes might have made the other villains more present in the story. Make Yusuke start showing up to meetings with bruises, force the player to make payments to Kaneshiro every week they don't do his dungeon, things like that. Make them a character in more things than their intro cutscene and bossfight.

Prove me wrong: the game would be better if everyone was introduced into the party by 30 hour mark

>>384537929
I'm not saying that they weren't, but Shido lacks both focus (due to the chaotic nature of the game before, during, and even to an extent after his arc) and, using the term as loosely as possible, "realism." Douchebag teachers/coaches abusing their power is relatively common and is a bit more relatable for the audience, whereas Shido's wrongdoings and Goro's situation are, while definitely problems in the real world, not quite as visible (which I realize is stated nearly to exhaustion courtesy of the game's unfortunate tell-not-show style of narration).

>>384538696
Better yet, axe everyone introduced after Yusuke.
More time to focus on each individual.

>>384539432
But Haru and Makoto are great.

They also needed ultimate personas not to be related to slinks

Goddamn you fuckers are autistic, yikes

>>384536283
It falls apart after Okamura however Casino was best dungeon

>>384539704
But that means putting other characters development in the actual story!
Seriously, Junpei's true awakening was an amazing scene.

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Jesus christ. You contrarian fucks will never be happy, huh? If you liked P3 and P4, there's nothing not to love about P5.

>>384539432
Am i the only who doesn't buy into the "le Makoto ruined the party dynamic" meme?

>>384539854
Yeah, but the trade off is having boring Party member social links like P3. I don't think one way is inherently better than the other, but both have their merits.

>>384539854
It drives me up the fucking walls when people defend not having main party members not develop through plot

>>384539704
Haru was introduced so far into the game that was so boring having to deal with "will it work ?" for the fifth time with endless sms conversations between the days.

>>384540000
No, you definitely aren't. Vocal minority, just like pretty much all criticism about this game.

>>384540042
Simple. Make party slinks about chilling in your down time rather than a fucking therapy session, and add goofy minigames and stuff

>>384539951
>Worse dungeon pacing + shittiest ouzzles yet
>Group dynamic being the weakest of the three
>Story issue highlighted by OP
>The worst s-link stories
>s-link abilities breaking combat difficulty

Yeah nah

didn't Hashino only work on Kamoshida or something? and then a bunch of other writers just came up with their own shit afterwards and they lumped it together

>>384540160
That sounds way less interesting than they are now tho.

>>384540316
Overall their s links would be less "interesting" (if you consider listening to the same shallow character cliches in every game interesting) but the actual characters would be more interesting long term and the S links would be a supplement.

>>384539796
casino was definitely best dungeon, that fucking song is fantastic

>>384540306
Where the fuck is the source for that?

Kamoshida was a pretty solid low grade shitbag.

The rest were kind of small time. Hell, a lot of the people in Mementos were way worse.

>>384536283
Kamoshida is the only one we see interacting with the protagonist in a way that makes taking him down personal and something the player wants to do and not just the protagonist
Shido might have been personal for the protagonist but their beef kind of happens outside of the game and we don't really interact with him on a personal level
After that the plot goes full retard typical JRPG and makes you fight god when what was interesting about the story in the beginning was taking down shitty adults who never bothered giving "troublesome" teenagers a second glance

>>384537826
But Kamoshida is the only one who has an actual effect on our party throughout his entire month, stakes get raised because of his actions.

All the duegeons following have a horrible habit of telling us how bad these characters are instead of showing us through their interactions with the party. They feel less personal even if they, in the past we didn't play, fucked over the individuals pretty badly.

Kamoshida is written to be a villain in a video game, the others are written to be villains in books.

>>384540850
You clearly weren't paying enough attention if you didn't see the events with fake Igor/Yalda happening.

>>384536283
Personally, for me the problem with the villains after Madarame is that they didn't feel threatening and in many cases they didn't feel as scummy as Kamoshida or Madarame due to lack of interaction with the party. Okamura is surprisingly one of the most forgettable villains despite him being directly related to a member of your party.

>>384540965
You are super wrong about the last part. Show, not tell is just as important in books if not more important.

>>384540991
Whether they were easy to see or not isn't really the issue. My point is that it's not what made the first couple chapters of the game interesting. Having adults look down on, take advantage of, or outright abuse the cast is something a lot of people can relate to and have probably experienced in some shape or form in their lives. That's what makes Kamoshida's story arc so much more compelling than the rest of game

Help me understand this, is the whole "Kamoshida arc being the best part of P5's story" thing an opinion that is universally agreed by almost everyone, or is it just contrarian talk?

>>384541678
why don't you play the game and find out?

>>384538696
Yeah, the pacing would have been loads better simply by gaining two party members per dungeon. Having a full party by the third dungeon out of eight (I already forgot how many there were total) would allow you to spend time and care for everyone

>>384541678
It's the problem everyone has with the game, even the japs.

>>384540306
Sounds like what happened to Zero Time Dilemma. I fucking hope that wasn't the case here too.

>>384540306
Hashino wrote the while game. Stop trying to shift the blame.

I'm 8 hours in, on ~4/19 and I haven't gotten beaten kamoshida, am I going 2 slow?

>>384541020
Kaneshiro (the bank palace one) was a direct threat to the party because he had photo evidence that made them look bad. The difference was that Kamoshida and Madarame didn't come off as a villain at first, and gradually revealed how terrible they are. No intrigue for Kaneshiro in that regards.

Okamura has the same problem as Kaneshiro, and "being related to a member to your party" didn't help him be interesting because it was Haru and she's not a good character in general.

>>384542028
You're not gonna make it.

>>384541020
>Okamura is surprisingly one of the most forgettable villains despite him being directly related to a member of your party.
I agree with your main opinion, but not this one. That's literally, LITERALLY the point. Okumura is supposed to make you feel that way. They went over this ingame

>>384542114
shet

>>384541678
I will agree that the intro (the first 10 or so hours of the game) is the strongest part of the game and that the writing afterwards takes a dip. But thats only if you take the WHOLE intro, and not just Kamoshida's dungeon.

Really, its just because the first dungeon is an origin story compared to the villain of the month format the game has for the 40 hours afterwards. You saw the stakes that were set on every character that were already in an oppressive situation and saw how they were trying to break free of it. The stories afterwards don't feel as serious, despite the stakes raising every time.

>>384541740
I did, just really curious rather or not its an opinion shared by the majority.

>>384541773
>Even japs

Sauce?

>>384542096
>Okamura has the same problem as Kaneshiro, and "being related to a member to your party" didn't help him be interesting because it was Haru and she's not a good character in general.

I don't mind Haru herself, but you could fucking tell that they had no idea how to introduce her into the story. Morganna has an arc that has been building up since the start of the game and they fucking rush through it in the most ham fisted way in like two days. Oh and by the way here's your new party member.

>>384537826
Someone who wants to bang high school girls does not fit the technical definition of a pedophile and it's both legal and socially acceptable in japan.

>>384537203
>The game is all tell and not show
Even if this was true this still wouldn't be an inherent problem.
I'm sorry the entire world doesn't conform to American groupthink.

>>384542096
I never felt threatened by Kaneshiro due to the game forgetting about him after he's introduced. The only interactions he has with your party is through text messages that are not even seen but mentioned by Makoto eliminating any threatening aspect of them.

>>384542202
>But he's supposed to be forgettable
Really man?

>>384536283
What needs elaboration is why /v/ keeps focusing on this shit series

After the opening arc everything felt like it was a lot more poorly planned and paced.

The whole Madarame thing felt like a stretch. Yusuke being obnoxiously blind, and them tacking on the whole also he sort of killed Yusuke's mother to make him seem even more the bad guy.

Honestly every target after the first felt the game was really reaching with coincidences. The whole Makoto running them into Kaneshiro and the whole Morgana running away and finding Haru. Also every time they brought up Futaba's l337 h@xz0r skills or whatever the fuck made me feel like I was watching law and order or some bottom of the barrel shit. The whole threat of the "purge" or whatever the fuck they even called it was just overall dumb. I get it's anime writing but still.

I know Persona does the whole kill some sort of god at the end every time, I've finished 3, but this time that sort of felt like a reach as well. Honestly it was more exciting then working through that retarded space station though.

I knocked it out in like 8 14 hours days after release so my memory of the finer details is already fading, but it felt like it went by quicker. Could have used more fun beach day type shit. The one festival day you get is shit and while they didn't have to go crazy with it the waifu stuff outside of social links was lacking. That and a general group cohesiveness.

>>384542836
What?

>>384536283
The only real weak part was Burger King. It's just an easy way to shitpost.

>>384543224
>W-What?
Standards for how a story is supposed to be written are anything but. Americans will wave their Gardner handbooks in your face when you try to pick apart what they think makes good writing, it's an extremely narrow minded approach but it's one that a very old circlejerk was built around so it can't exactly go anywhere.

>>384542865
It's basically a school and make friends simulator, you don't need any more explanation than that.

>>384537826

The big difference between Kamoshida and the other villains is that the other villains is what they fundamentally want. All of the other villains are motivated by wanting money/power/fame/prestige, which is a desire that people can generally understand and somewhat sympathize with- they're things that most people want in some capacity, the only difference between "good" people and those villains is what they consider to be acceptable means to those ends.

Kamoshida, on the other hand, doesn't want to become richer, more powerful, or more famous, or anything like that- he just wants to use the power he already has to get away with being a total asshole to the people under him. The terrible things he does aren't the means to an end like they are with the other villains, they're the end in and of itself. That's why he's so much more hateable than everyone else- it's not that the terrible things he does are worse, it's that what he wants out of it all is so much worse.

It's similar to how people have more hatred for Konami over what they did to Kojima than they do for companies like EA- we hate companies that fuck over their consumers for more profits, but we can at least understand the desire for more money. Konami, on the other hand, has done a lot of shit that they gained nothing monetarily from (and if anything probably *lost* money by doing) just to fuck over Kojima out of spite.

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>>384543134
>Yusuke being obnoxiously blind, and them tacking on the whole also he sort of killed Yusuke's mother to make him seem even more the bad guy.

How about the fact that everyone conveniently drops the fact that Yusuke tried to blackmail Ann to get naked for him, even despite everything that happened with Kamoshida.

Yusuke turns out to be a cool guy in his S.Link but fuck man his intro was the worst, I hated him for half the game

>>384542860
>Really man?
Yes. Did you not pay attention to that whole arc?

>>384543434
No the story is bad because the game shows you why Kamoshida is evil. It just tells you why the others are evil. You're a retard but that's to be expected from someone who likes the narrative of 5.

>>384543784
what a lovely response

>>384542860
Doesn't Makoto also mention dudes hanging around her house or something? They absolutely should have had scenes where you come out of school and get accosted by Kaneshiro's thugs. The fact that all of the group's interactions with him are through Makoto and off-screen is just so stupid.

Harder to establish a connection to cases that are very specific both in cultural context and in terms of what the actual content is. Kamoshida doesn't have this problem because his social issue is the dirt simple one that doesn't require any investment or knowledge of another culture to get into. Immediately after that this stops being the case and later in the game and you have villains later in the game like Okumura where the personality is the least important thing about the character. The west doesn't like shit like this at all, the west gravitates towards things that are emotionally gripping with little thought involved.

>>384543884
You know I'm right.

>>384536283
I just hit the first road block in Nijima's casino palace and I'm in love so far

>>384542514
Haru always rubbed me the wrong way whenever she was involved. I meant to write all the little things that she does that annoys me, but the real cherry on the shit sundae is whenever her dead father is mentioned.

>Oh shit I'm sorry about that
>lol nah it's cool

I don't care how much of dick he was, he's still blood. If she's suppose to hide her grief by being stoic, it wasn't conveyed well

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>>384536283
Let me tell you the god damn problem with this game, pic related.

They really dropped the fucking ball with this fucking character and the Hawaii trip. I have never hated a character this passionately before. Retarded cat gets pissy because he can't be smuggled to Hawaii and fucks right off and ruins everything.

>>384536283
The narrative is very weak up until the twists with shido and igor. It isn't so much that Kamoshida's story is great its that there is barely a story to begin with. It feels too cyclical; every month you spend a week or two in cutscenes talking about how you need to find a new target, you find some dude who is a remorseless dick, get a new party member in the process, and then your party acts worried about whether or not you can actually change his heart by stealing his treasure even though its worked every other time. Its just too formulaic. Its like watching an episodic tv show like star trek or law and order or something; there is barely an overarching narrative.

>>384538459
I don't know if this happens for other villains as I am on the sixth palace, but when you can bump into Kamoshida in the hall and he back talks you it really elevates the situation and the conflict.

>>384544125
I just made a post about being narrow minded and you pretty much replied to be with a no ur wrong, there's not much for you to be right about.
Show don't tell is a construct of one particular group. It's not the one true way that exists in the world, it never was despite how desperately it wants to be.

>>384544357
This, fuck cuckcat, his railroading, his constant shitting out /ourguy/ Ryuji, his greedy faggotry and sperg personality, and his insistance on being human despite being a fucking magic cat

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>>384544357

>>384544438
>Its like watching an episodic tv show like star trek or law and order or something
and that's exactly what P5 is supposed to be. The picaresque stories it gets its inspiration from as well as the popular phantom thief animes it gets its inspiration from are all like this as well, and they even talked about this before the game came out.

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akechi would have been a more interesting character had they given him a split personality

>>384544357
Don't you shit on best cat you bastard

>>384544762
he's fine as is in that regard
you don't improve him by completely changing the whole premise of the character, you do it by giving more opportunities to demonstrate the struggle over his big complex

>>384544895
best cat makes me miss teddie so fucking much, and I hated teddie

>>384544523
Unbelievable how you can post a bunch of text yet actually have nothing to say on this topic.

>>384544895
t. Morgana

>>384544357
>dumb niggers still think it was Ryuji's normal bullshit that got him worked up and not that he started having dreams that implied he wasn't human

>>384545008
>posts clearly go way over your head
>act like they don't have anything to say at all
Again you literally cannot be any more on point for what I'm talking about

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>>384544964
But he was adorable. And an all around cool cat too, I don't see why people hate him so much. In fact, I don't see why people hate Teddie so much either, I only found him unbearable in PQ but everyone was kind of annoying there

>>384544357
>expected Morgana to shit all over Teddie
>but nope, I was less annoyed with Teddie even after he turned human than I ever was with Morgana

Fuck this stupid cat. The game should have offered you a choice so Ryuji or someone would take him

>>384544762
He would have been a more interesting character if his reasons for going along with Shido were to plunge japan into chaos and unleash yaldabaoth on purpose rather than some shitty no one loves me tripe. I really thought they were gonna go with this angle but instead we're supposed to feel bad for him? Get fucked.

>>384544357
Morganna is fucking great for most of the game, but they hand him an idiot ball because they need a way to introduce Haru

>>384544551
>muh player agency that the game would still take away anyway because P5 would be way too fucking easy if you had access to all the story nights
stupidity

>>384545410
I really wish that some of the human villains actually get in cahoots with the evil deity of the season. It kinda sucks that Adachi and Goro are just dicks that become irrelevant in the grand scheme of things once the real big bad comes out

>>384545190
Still posting nothing

>>384545365
Morgana was objectively better than Teddie in every way. Fuck off.

How are we this far past release and dipshits are still whining about Morgana for the same stupid reasons?

>>384543983
Makoto was a better antagonist in that arc due to the sheer pressure she inflicted on your party to investigate Kaneshiro. They should have at least made you receive some threatening emails.

>>384545592
Same shit happens in 3 and 4 when story shit goes down, I thought people bashing the cat for it was a joke.

>>384546142
No way fag

I thought Madarame was the best villain.
He starts exploiting his pupils after he lets yusuke's mother die then takes him in forcing a dependence from yusuke. Uses the fame of sayuri to exploit art collectors into making loads of money. He acts humble but his distorted palace is literally a museum made of gold and he has a monument to his exploitation of students saying that the youth is only a tool for adults. He seemed to me like the worst out of all the main antagonists because no one else was so flagrant in their disregard of others than him.

>>384539118
There's nothing unfortunate about P5's narration, just that it wasn't a game that was meant for an audience that wasn't already familiar with the social issues. Regarding Shido in particular, he was commentary on a very specific politician that the target audience of the game would be very familiar with because he openly blamed them for a natural disaster only a few years prior.

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I'm kind of glad to see people are finally realizing how flawed P5 is. I'm sad that it was a let down but at least people are waking up to it and not just glossing over how bad the writing is and how casual and broken the gameplay is. All the memes about all 3 games being the same thing is starting to get old though.

>>384546142
3fag here. I liked Teddie better

>>384546618
Not an argument, redneck.

>>384547106
Teddie was objectively better than Morgana in every way. Fuck off.

Christ what is up with the total 180 in opinions towards this game lately? Its as if its the black sheep of the three modern Personas now.

>>384547064
>I liked Teddie better
How is this even possible.

>>384544964
Both were shit. Worst characters overall.

>>384547064
>3fag here
what does that have to do with anything

>>384546473
From people that didnt played the others it makes sense, but anyway this game suffers the worst from it (it feels like that it had much more days that you didnt do anything but watched the history unfold and only had the night to save and see morgana then you cant o anything, you can only do night things much later into the game than in previous ones too).

>>384547245
If you aren't going to explain just exactly why an abomination of a party member is somehow better than the far more tolerable one, please consider jamming a glass shard into your fag-ridden head just to spare others of your autistic ranting.

>>384547387
He doesn't want to sound biased, I guess.

>>384547286
that's still P4
there hasn't been any sudden turnaround, there's been things like the kotaku article feeding the negativity that's been slowly dragging itself along amidst all the positive feedback

>>384536283
The whole story was just a hilly valley of good and bad. Kamoshida, Futaba, and Shido were amazing arcs while being seperated by mediocre arcs like Kaneshiro and Okumura.

The ending just felt too forced and overwhelming.

>>384547286
People finished the game and are digesting it. When I was still playing through it I thought it was incredible but the more I reflect the more disappointing I get.

I thought a depressed bear in a tv world was more interesting than the sarcastic cat, that's all. Plus Morgana feels so copy pasted that it gives Teddy a bump just for being first I guess which is probably dumb. I did use Teddy in my party and I benched Morgana immediately.

>>384547387
Because Koromaru is the best

>>384547286
I liked the game a lot. I think most of us did. Its just the flaws kind of become a little more obvious once you put it down and reflect on the whole thing.

>>384547580
Teddie isn't as annoying as Morgana.
>If you aren't going to explain just exactly why an abomination of a party member is somehow better than the far more tolerable one
Irony.

>>384547286
Not to argue in favor of one of those, i like em' both, but Teddie was much more thematically in sync with the rest of the game (find one self) than Morgana (rebellious nature and taking a stand) while both of them tried to find the true about themselves.

>>384547692
Koromaru is cute but is barely even a character though. He's also not as useful as a party member as Morgana or Teddie.

>>384547286
It became somewhat popular so now everyone has to hate it. That and people who never play JRPGs or other Persona games are picking it up and getting frustrated with what it is.

It's better than 4 but not as good as 3, though. The quality of life enhancements in 5 are pretty significant, and help the game flow much better than the other 2 titles.

>>384547961
Morgana had the same struggle to find a place where he belonged that the rest of the team did, that is the entire point of him running away and then coming back with his new resolve. He was absolutely thematically in sync.

>>384536283
the game was made for japanese audiences and makes sense in japanese

>>384548017
I would call 3 the best if 4 and 5 didn't improve on the gameplay and formula so much over time. The concept, theme and charecterization are still better though, even with a larger cast.
And no one played 1 and 2 apparently.

People who unironically like Teddie are a danger to themselves and others. They need to stop. Just fucking quit it.

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>>384547968
That's fine. I like the idea of a mascot character being a literal animal and not a magical talking one. He's cute/fun. If we really want to get into it then we could mention that Futaba is literally worse than Teddy AND Morgana

>>384548017
I am no stranger to criticizing 4 but I really don't know if I would say 5 is better. Yes it has the quality of life stuff but 4 at least had a vision and was able to pull it off far better than 5 was in my opinion. The only good 4 characters of Adachi, Dojima, Nanako, and Kanji are still probably better than anyone in 5. Adachi also makes Goro seem like a joke, which he is. And while I hate 4s combat and how it wasn't built for direct control over the party, it at least had some bite like Mitsuo, while 5 is the easiest and most causal SMT now.

>>384547839
Didn't find both to be annoying. Probably because I'm not one that take a "this character is annoying" meme seriously.
It's just that Morgana had a better design compared to Teddie and Koromaru.

>>384548258
>People who unironically like Ryuji are a danger to themselves and others. They need to stop. Just fucking quit it.

>People who unironically like Morgana are a danger to themselves and others. They need to stop. Just fucking quit it.

>People who unironically like Yukari are a danger to themselves and others. They need to stop. Just fucking quit it.

>People who unironically like Yosuke are a danger to themselves and others. They need to stop. Just fucking quit it.

How pointless of a post. And I don't even like Teddie.

How would you guys rate the palaces?

Kamoshida > Madarame > Sae > Kaneshiro > Shido > Okumura > Futaba

I cared less for Futaba's palace because not only was her story arc really predictable in terms of she was asking for the change of heart, but the dungeon design itself wasn't that great either. There was really no good reason at all to make you go to the desert town and the interior of her palace felt way too much like Kaneshiro's vault.

>>384548449
>but 4 at least had a vision and was able to pull it off far better than 5
that's an incredibly stupid sentiment tbqh. P5 has no issues executing a single one of its themes and they were far better integrated into all parts of the game while P4 crammed what it could into a very flimsy storyline.

>Adachi also makes Goro seem like a joke, which he is
Adachi has absolutely nothing on Goro. The extent to which they made Goro reflect the protagonist involved easily 2x as much work and attention to detail, and the vast majority of it is never in your face like it always was with Adachi to the point that the Golden Animation had a song devoted to it.

>>384548758
I think 5 absolutely floundered its ideas of rebellion and got extremely muddled. I think it bit off more than it could chew, and the concept of social reform is just a more ambiguous and complex theme than "death" and "be yourself". The ending of 5 is still really bad to me and I never felt that the characters knew what they were fighting for when they stood up to Yaldy.

Goro is fucking terrible anon

>>384548546
>speaking the truth is pointless.
>warning teddies fans that they should seek mental help is pointless.

>>384548980
>I think 5 absolutely floundered its ideas of rebellion and got extremely muddled
Explain. P5 creates moral ambiguity with regards to the idea of destroying freedom as a means of liberation and deliberately does not address it, that's the only thing I can even think of and it's only like this in the first place because the cast needs to handwave it in order to proceed.

> I never felt that the characters knew what they were fighting for when they stood up to Yaldy.
They knew exactly what they were fighting for, and that was for themselves. They chose to deny the rest of the world's freedom so they could do what they believed was the right thing. You completely missed what they were talking about in their cells.

>Goro is fucking terrible anon
Literally untrue. I've seen the exact wording in this post before so you've likely already been told why and more than once at that.

>>384545668
Adachi's reason was the best, though. "The world just sucks." How many people are motivated by that instead of "LOL I WANT TO RULE THE HOLE WORLD!"

I feel like a big reason people are harping on Persona 5 more now is because at the once you finish an RPG, you think back more on the story rather than the gameplay whereas throughout the game you think more about the gameplay. To me, that's why the massive gameplay improvements Persona 5 has over Persona 3 are taken less into account since Persona 3 has better story and characterization despite it's gameplay shortcomings.

>>384549686
Just because it's different, doesn't make it best.
In fact, it's pretty retarded.

>>384550472
The gameplay shortcomings aren't really there in terms of the combat though. 3 is still the more challenging and better balanced of the two.

>>384550485
yeah adachi was about as boring as a villain can possibly be, they didn't even want to commit to him completely by having the eyeball influence him to some extent, and then promptly never touched on the more retarded aspects of what he was rambling about in any subsequent release.

>>384550682
It's more challenging because it's balanced around the lack of control of the party. In terms of overall gameplay, I think 5 outclasses it with the wide breath of daily life activities and the social link bonuses giving incentive and rewards for combat.

>>384549686
It's realistic and relatable, so it works.
I can't relate to asshole who shows up regularly on tv an has bunch of fangirls, but then says that he wants more recognition from daddy.

>>384547658
P4 (even 3) is far better tho so not really.

>>384550682
p3 is tilted too much against the player, but at the same time trying to tilt it back at all will completely break the game and make it extremely easy (P3P). It's definitely not better balanced than P5.

Why didn't Ryuji die in shido's ship? that's really the only plothole that wasn't addressed in the game, maybe they will in Crimson/Golden?

>>384550882
uneducated post desu

>>384540269
Here I feel bad nobody else gave you one so here's a (You).

>>384536283
Kamoshida actually felt like a threat since the stakes were high, and he had a beef with the entire cast at the time, and you see him do bad shit
Madarame was only a threat to Yusuke, and you never really saw him do bad shit on screen
Kaneshiro could have been better, but you don't see him do mobster stuff on screen, he feels more like a school yard bully black mailing you.
Futaba's level is just a Persona 4 dungeon
Okumura is fine, but he is only a threat to Haru. At least you see what a scumbag he is actually unlike Madarame.
Sae is good, but something about her arc feels paced wrong.
Shido is great

>>384551283
>he feels more like a school yard bully black mailing you.
That pretty much is how you would get kids to do shit for you, right? His big deal is using teenagers to traffic his drugs for him.

>>384537826

>Want to bang high school girls
>Pedo

Not really. I mean, I get that Kamoshida being in such proximity to the party made him seem all the more threatening, but the phantom thieves were faced by even more threats as knowledge of their existence spread, so the stakes were actually even higher. At the end of the day, his motives aren't very different from the other villains'.

>>384550830
All the quality of life stuff and UI and social link bonuses are all an improvement, but P5 doesn't make you use those tools to their fullest. The game lets you walk all over it and never once presents a challenge. By the end of the game you start battles with enemies at half health and if anything ever goes wrong Futaba immediately saves you. That's to say nothing of Baton pass. Even something as simple as knocked down enemies getting back up if hit a second time would go a long way. Or if normal enemies would at least baton pass with each other. Or if you hit an enemy resistance you lost a turn. It doesn't need to be Nocturne 2 but what is there is straight up broken. You can just buy a Persona 20 levels higher than you are. You can equip SP adhesives from so early on and suddenly can beat every dungeon in one go with no sweat.

>>384550962
P3 makes you use every tool at your disposal and fights back at every step. It forces you to learn it's systems and tactics or else you will not pass. The enemies all follow the same rules that you do. P5 is not any of those. P5 is the definition of an unbalanced combat system, it's one sided and broken. 3FES is an example of balancing, which can be seen being broken in P3P.

>>384536283

I think there's an argument to be made that the story doesn't really fall apart until the last two dungeons.

At its base, P5 is a game about desire. For the first six dungeons, the game looks at what causes desires to become warped or distorted. Kamoshida feels entitled, Madarame feels a need for validation through wealth. The first six palace shadows are all presented as people worthy of moral approbation.

The game then switches at the end and becomes an indictment of society on the grounds that most people can't figure out what they want. They desire not to desire, and thus want a mellow life of conplacency. By this inversion, the palace shadows are in someway heroic, since they at least strive to do something, even if they do it in morally repugnant ways.

However, none of this really matters because at the end we learn all of this was caused by a god who had been pulling the strings all along. This, in a way, lets everyone off the hook, since their actions arose from the god's plan.

By the time you get to the end, the point seems to be something along the lines of: Strive and strive within the rules. Ok, sure. But the way it gets there is tremendously inefficient (Do we really need a huge conspiracy and a fucking god to make this point?). It also arguably never really shows how to properly live out its message with respect to the main plot. Each of the s.links ends with the characters learning how to be responsible strivers. The Phantom Thieves, though noble, are certainly not responsible insofar as they break into people's consciousnesses. Not cool. The end should have been more self-aware/reflective.

>>384536283
It's like people that complain about the traveling in shadow of the colossus. They're just nitpicking.

>>384536283
I think it was due to you saw more kamoshida's shadow more often, the rest you had the routine down.

>>384551037
Explosion send him flying out of mission area and back to real world

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>>384551526
You have no idea how mad I still am about the ending. Protag just gets off scott free. Literally rides off into the sunset with his friends.

In a game about rebellion in which the personas they revolve around get fucked for rebelling, when the protag is literally satan who gets the most fucked, protag gets a happy ending arbitrarily because of friendship. The ending would have been so much more impact if he rotted away as a martyr rebel who made a change but with a cost.

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>>384536283
Nah, the story falls apart at the start of Summer. Kaneshiro was rather shaky in a lot of ways, especially near the end, but Summer is just one big waste of time once Futaba is introduced. Pyramid was weak, and everything that involved Okumura was an absolute slogfest, right down to the Palace itself. Hawaii is where it takes the lowest dip though.

>>384536283
>>384551526

However, to the point of Kamoshida being the peak, no other palace/shadow has the focus, on-point design that he does. Sae might come close, but that's not really the point.

Look at Kamoshida's boss fight. He feeds on women to restore HP. Amazing parallel/metaphoric way to represent the real world situation.

Then do Madarame. By the time you find him, he has made very clear his disdain for art. Yet, part of the boss battle has him assuming the form of four paintings? Why? What's the parallel? He sees art as a means, not as something that partly defines himself. It's just not as tight. I feel like most bosses suffer from a similar problem.

>>384551836
nnnngggff teacher

>>384551526
>This, in a way, lets everyone off the hook, since their actions arose from the god's plan.
what the fuck? what version of P5 did you play?
The god is not what is responsible for society behaving this way, society is responsible for all of it themselves. The god is only a god because the people willed him to be one. People love to act like no one giving a shit that Shido confessed to something atrocious in front of a lot of people and no one caring and still planning on electing him was something so impossible that it must've been a higher influence but something almost just like it happened in Japan right around the time P5 became about social reform.

http://www.stateofformation.org/2011/03/making-sense-of-tragedy-was-the-earthquake-a-divine-punishment/

This same man was re-elected immediately afterward, as though he'd never said any of it.

>>384551526
Demiurge was literally ONLY born because of the people of tokyo. We still don't know how the metaverse came about in the first place, as by the time igor came to intervene the grail had been in existence for some time.

>>384551769
That's way too edgy, anon. Everyone that you made deals with coming together to help you out of a situation that would've been insurmountable without a bunch of people collaborating was plenty meaningful as it is.

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I just finished the game and the ending was pretty much persona 4. Very dissapointed in the game, by the end I was just bored as fuck. People will say that makoto ruined the party dynamic, but if the party stopped growing after her it would be fine. Instead we get haxer futaba and worthless haru while the game turns to shit. Akechi dying was the low point of the game for me, taking a potentially great villain and making him some little bitch.

>>384551283
I get what you mean about the Sae arc feeling paced wrong. I think a big part of it is because Goro is shoehorning you into doing this, and it feels wrong because the motivation isn't really there. Also, the white flashes got annoying. I felt like all of that got resolved with the end of the dungeon. That said, the faked death plot is probably the biggest glaring flaw of the game.

>>384552607
>and it feels wrong because the motivation isn't really there
the motivation comes from Makoto who outright tells you that she became a Phantom Thief so at some point they would go through her sister's palace.

and there's no flaw with the ruse. Just pay closer attention next time.

>>384552474
Rebels get fucked man. They tried to give him consequences by putting him in jail for 2 months but then gave him a happy ending for the sake of it. If I complete zero confidants how come I still get out? It ridiculous, I don't care it it's edgier it's more fitting and an example of how much they bungled their themeing.

It makes sense for P4 to have a happy ending, that is the happy game. P3 has a sad ending that is bittersweet as fuck. P5 could have had a powerful edgy ending for their game that was thematically supposed to be about rebelling which is edgy. Imagine if the power of friendship was enough to make door-kun not be a door. That ending would have lost ALL meaning. It's the exact same thing here.

I fell for the meme. It was boring overall. I ebayed the game after beating it a few weeks ago. I guess persona 3 and 4 will forever be the only JRPGs I ever like, as 5 was a complete piece of boring shit.

>>384551347
True, but just blackmailing them with photos is pretty meh. Have him break the legs of someone who couldn't pay or something.

>>384552726
PT made humanity rebel against God and they put him down with bullet to the head. What more do you want?

>>384552684
No the ruse is awful, they cut away scenes from the player which the protagonist still experiences which should never happen in a narrative. You fags pretend like "no the twist was that you were supposed to know he was the traitor!!!!!" It's embarrassingly bad and the game wags it's finger at the player in a long cutscene to show how smart it is for fooling the retard Goro and you the player who actually knew despite the game arbitrarily not telling you

>>384552309
>>384552002

Isn't there talk about how Yaldaboath setup/rigged the game? The society indictment still goes through, since their apathy leads to the Grail, let's say. But in terms of Shido/conspirators/main plot shadows, Yalda nudged them along?

>>384536283
Kamoshida was so strong because we see the multiple cases of his abuse and sexual advances on the female students
We see him in multiple situations, all of which depict him as a disgusting person with no remorse for his actions ever
I wanted to get back at Kamoshida so much after Shiho attempted suicide and after all the other things he did, so I rooted for the characters more because I wanted the same thing
For the other villains we don't get these moments of the players getting enough reason to want to steal their hearts rather than the characters in the game wanting to
Madarame steals work and abuse his pupils, we never see this
Kaneshiro forces students into drug trafficking threatening to destroy their entire lives and harm their loved ones, we never see this
Okumura overworks his employees and just does underhanded things for his own benefits, we never see this
The cognitive worlds don't offer the same feeling of seeing others hurt or abused or whatever unlike in the real world
Shido wants to gain power because he has a god complex, while we do kinda see this he isn't prevalent enough in the story up until we get to his Palace for me to give that much of a shit about him, just throwing in his palace exposition dumps of how everything is connected to Shido doesn't do anything for me, SHOW me they're connected, SHOW me people suffering to give me for motivation for wanting to stop him

tl;dr None of the other villains do a proper job of making the player want to take them down

>>384552726
>If I complete zero confidants how come I still get out?
You get out because of the same collaborative effort. The only difference is that your friends, who you also made deals with by the way since you clearly can't remember, manage to get the testimony you would see Ohya uncover in her scene had you maxed her, which allows you to go free. This is why in the scene after you return to Leblanc they talk exclusively about what the PT did to get you out.

Keeping the protagonist from dying in a game about coming to terms with death would destroy all meaning to that games ending, yeah. What you're saying about P5 is just nonsensical. Your reasoning is that rebelling is edgy so the ending should be edgy, when what ending we have involves standing up against the system anyway. You're not very smart and should keep these things to yourself from now on.

>>384551347
yeah, but do you see that on screen? does anyone you meet actually get affected by that?
no
what you do see him do is threaten to tell the teacher on you~

>>384553058
If you have to resort to an insult to obsessively defend a game it's really not worth continuing this. You're missing the point and still wrong, but when you act like this nobody will want to discuss anything with you. So good job anon, you did it.

>>384552921
For him to actually have consequences for his actions in line with the mythological figures he and his game are based around in order to achieve a higher level of thematic quality.

>>384538079
I hope a new version adds more music cause holy fuck why would they not change the music with the seasons and when shit goes down like in 3 and 4
Like come the fuck on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g67Th8Eej8M

>>384553308
m8 I insulted you after I explained why you were completely wrong, don't be a delusional fuck on top of an idiot.

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>>384540269
you're fucking retarded
slink abilities are the best theyve ever been in 5
everything is better in 5
if you disagree you're a contrarian cocksucker who doesnt deserve to draw breath

>>384553375
>Everything is better in 5
Wrong
>Story is better in 3
>Social Links are better in 4
>Characters are better in 3 and 4
>OST is better in 3 and 4
>Setting is better in 4
5 only has it's gameplay

>>384553475
5s combat is worse than 3 and arguably 4 though. 5 has the best style, UI, etc and that's it

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>>384553475
gameplay and music and visual presentation and story and characters

so yeah everything you goddamn knuckledragging faggot

>>384553330
the ending of p3 is so good the music really conveys that feeling that the world is about to fucking end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aJ6v40BZCQ
P5 never had a similar feeling because the tracks are the same through the entire game even the very last fucking day when you're saying goodbye has the same music used throughout the game

>>384552980
>waah they kept information how fucking dare they
Again. if you were paying any amount of attention you knew they were interested in where Sae was going to be carrying out her interrogation even though they had no reason to be at that point in the game. There were definitely indications that something was up. The rest of your post meanwhile is just pure hyperbole. Your idea of what makes a narrative is essentially a series of nitpicks that when not properly honored will throw you into an autistic frenzy. It's really fucking pathetic.

>>384553475
>Social Links are better in 4
Biggest. Fucking. Bullshit.
P4 slinks are worst in the series and best part of them is that most ranks are just short scenes.
>hey mc, let's train
>omg a bug
>i hate bugs you know
>you understand chie better. rank up

>>384553285
was this post supposed to mean something

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>>384553475
lol u clown

>>384553308
Did you miss how all of the ultimate personas didn't meet tragic ends?

>>384553616
Are you the P5 equivalent of XV-kun?

>>384553824
If anything you would be the XV-kun in this situation. You're the one being entirely irrational and I'm condemning you as a human being for it because that's pretty much what you deserve.

>>384553330
Music not changing with the seasons and just playing a track heard several times already during December was probably the most disappointing thing about the whole game.

>>384553475
>Characters are better in 4
>when Teddie, Yosuke, Chie and Yukiko exist

>>384553821
Not him but don't Prometheus and Satan get pretty fucked

>>384553908
>Teddie>Morgana
>Yosuke>Ryuji
>Chie<Makoto
>Yukiko>Futaba
4 has better characters

and now this is just a bait thread

>>384553475
Junpei and Akihiko were the only good characters in 3 desu

>>384553781
As opposed to what in 5?
>hey mc let's train
>oh man my old coach is a meanie
>what he's coming back??
>let's check it out next time
>you understand ryuji better. rank up

>>384536283
It doesn't really fall apart, it just gets less relatable which is a shame for such a setting. 3 wasn't exactly relatable to begin with but wasn't really trying with all their absurd stuff. 4 got it down pretty good. 5 goes half way between weird and believable and crazy over the top because the villains past that are no longer people you could imagine encountering ever. An insane artist who killed a lady to make copies of her work, a yakuza who blatantly steals from exclusively kids using absurd scams that would fall apart at the first call of the police.

On second thought, it's actually Kamoshida that doesn't really fit in with the rest of the game, but it set the tone so we're just weirded out by the rest rather than weirded out by him.

>>384553993
I disagree.

>>384554058
That actually sounds a lot better. Thanks for proving his point.

>>384554058
the best thing about this post is that this reduced version of a p5 link is still better than the reduced version of the p4 link

>>384553945
Prometheus was eventually freed and is remembered as a hero to humanity, and Sataneal is just biding his time until he can strike back, which fits as the protag has to pretend to live a normal life because he is still under surveillance in the ending.

>>384536283
Anyone know if farewell gifts carry over into each NG+ so i wont have to keep maxing them out to keep perks?

>>384554145
yes

>>384554145
they all carry
the main thing you should be worried about is the christmas gift because you only get one of those per run and they make doing the corresponding social link a lot easier

>>384554145
If you're in NG+ then you have no excuse not to max everyone out. What else are you doing with your time?

>>384554126
How is that any better than the P4 Link?

>>384554058
Putting aside that there is actual dialogue there even with just your "summary", yes it's better because each rank is part of bigger story while chie had completely pointless scene

The principal being Adachi's older brother was very wasted potential.

>>384554246
So if I get them on my first run and I don't care for them on my second run of NG+, then on my third run on NG+ they still carry over?

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>>384554016
I thought P5 was gonna be the game to unite the fanbase but that could not have been more wrong I guess

>>384554058
I guess it's not P3
>dude mc I'm dyin
>i'm depressed
>i'm happy
>i'm dead
the end
or
>hey mc I'm the biggest weeaboo
>that's it
>you're now best friends
boiling down stories into the basest elements is fucking retarded

>>384554060
As far as the "scams that would fall apart at calling the police" part goes, you underestimate how draconian Japanese law can be and how shame-based their social system is.

The courts would still go after the blackmailed kids because, hey, they smuggled drugs and admitted it. That gives the system an easy win so they can continue to tout their grossly manipulated numbers. The game already tells you what happens to kids with a record.

Actually, Kaneshiro, Okumura, and Shido are different from the others in that they are more easy to understand for western audiences, as they represent issues that commonly happen in our society as well.

>>384554448
What gave you that impression? It already wasn't anything like P4 when we got the first footage and it was aiming for omnibus arcs which was going to be a completely new thing regardless of what calendar structure they went with.

>>384554448
I think P5 is almost too sexy. It's stylish, it's sharp, but it's not as comfy as p4 was so there's people disappointed even though it's a good game. Reminds me a lot of DS2.

>>384554493
but that's what we have to do to get through school anon why wouldn't we do it on the internet too

>>384554448
Newsflash: People on the internet like to adopt positions opposed to others just so they can fight about something.

>>384554327
It's schlocky that it reads like an after school special, but at least something happened in the P5 example.

>>384554448
3 and 4 fags have been fighting since 4 was released, what made you think the hive would calm down?

One of the slinks in p4 is mc doing errands for fox. Really great writing there.

>>384554659
So why is learning about an aspect of a character worse than dealing with a situation? You learn nothing about ryuji from the situation you're put in during his confidant that you didn't already know, whereas Chie's is less eventful but you learn a lot more about her

>>384554558
it's kind of the inversion of DS2. DS2 was a game that tried to become a comfy dark fantasy adventure and absolutely no one wanted anything to do with it. Meanwhile with persona the comfy thing dominated the market for 8 years, places like gaf have a "I hate anime but I love P4" audience built in and that whole part of the fanbase is insanely resilient to this kind of change.

>>384554812
You learn a lot about these characters, just in subtler ways in such as how they respond to things. Learning how to respond to characters in dialog tells you a lot about their personality and doesn't have to stop for them to have a story. P4's example of learning about characters is "Haha! What a weird quirk! This character sure is afraid of bugs!" which progresses her story to absolutely nothing and has a whole scene dedicated to it that's just so over the top

Why am I not surprised that it's come a full circle? Everyone shitting on P5 now and saying P4 is better is the same shit with how people say P3 was better than P4. Fuck this contrarian bullshit

>>384555143
Another thing is the kind of content P5 links cover to begin with. I did love Haru's level of distrust for her employees and how far she went with thinking about it at all despite not knowing a thing about any of them. And there was also Yusuke's where he still caught himself calling Madarame sensei despite everything that happened, coupled with how he spent a good part of his story resisting what was pretty much the same temptation that Madame succumbed to completely. That's not something you could ever get out of P4 because it's all just revolving around pretty bland teenager shit.

>>384555241
It's okay, it's only few fags that being vocal about it.

>>384554812
I think you're just shit posting right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx84VU_pGNQ
Ryuji confidant is almost 2 times longer than Chie, with actual dialogue and him reveal more and more about his past.

>>384555241
everyone is not shitting on P5. These threads drag like this and often die for a reason

Because you're a neet that hasn't experienced anything beyond your high school years so you automatically think the gym teacher is the worst thing around.

>>384554558
I think P5 is the comfiest just because of the brute force technical level. Their world is just really fuckin good as far as what it accomplishes having you explore and all the places you can go and things you can do. I want to say I found P3's dorms the comfiest, and if it was made today with this level of detail, I would love chilling out in that dorm of party members seeing what everyone was up to or going around the mall. As it stands though, 3 had an awkwardly flat undetailed world, 4 tried but had to play tricks to make essentially 1 street and a school feel bigger than it was, and 5 actually accomplishes what they clearly originally envisioned.

>>384555558
you know maybe it's a little of this too on top of the cultural thing
if this was a get it would be 100% true though, you fucked up anon

>>384537826
>Kamoshida just wants to grope high school girl and lord over the other kids. Somehow finding fulfillment in doing that. He's twisted and it's about just that. His motivations are shit. He wants to bang high school girls. If being a pedo is good motivation for you, maybe you should take a seat.
It's not a good motivation, but it's a realistic one. This shit happens all the time in real life, and there are a lot of high profile cases of adults getting away with it because they're high profile and everybody looks the other way. Compared to him, the others might have been more evil, but they were all cartoon-ie, the kind of evil that only really exists in videogames, and you'll never hear about in real life.

>>384555608
P5s plot isn't wildly out of reach of reality. Corrupt politicians utilizing good PR and spinning tragedies while creating a network to ensure their political party takes control while also maintaining a gag on any legal opposition is fairly realistic. Shido went after culture, food, and money; if it was America it would be food, culture, money, and military.

The only place you can really say it fell apart is creating a satisfying and believable reason for the supernatural element.

>>384555672
>you'll never hear about in real life
I mean, I guess that depends on where you stand considering the leaders of the two largest nuclear powers in the world are cartoon evil.

>>384555606
I think there were some nice surprises thrown into the mix, such as reading magazines to unlock new hangout spots. The crossword puzzle, batting cages and laundromat were all neat additions. I guess all the new stuff sort of offsets the fact that Confidants are pretty much all pointed out to you, which wasn't always the case in 3 and 4's S Links

>>384555672
You'll hear about them in real life, just not in your corner of the world. The Kamoshida type is extremely far reaching.

>>384555964
I can forgive that as thematically it makes sense you'd have an easy time connecting with people using your cell phone to just say where people are and who is available. It also makes the fuck huge world manageable and keeps me from spending 50 more hours in game just checking every square inch. I think that's what you mean? The fact that you basically get a text message whenever someone is available?

>>384556206
Actually I agree with you, and come to think of it, finding thise S Links in 3 and 4 isn't exactly a treasure hunt, considering the limited amount of things you can interact with

>>384555964
I love that you can see how mc is changing through story. Like in first dungeon he have normal expression and his idle animations are him looking at his clothes while scratching his head and look around while by the last dungeon he got perma smirk on his face and do Dante "come on" taunt during fight. Also how after you level up proficiency he'll start to do stuff like pen and phone spin

>Live in a humble small town in Minnesota
>Super comfy community center in town where all the kids go to hang out during the summer
>Center was run by a creepily friendly guy who worked both as a gym teacher and ran summer sports teams
>Hear rumors for a long while but brush it off
>3 years later, he's arrested for pedophilia and stories start emerging of the kids I knew and what they went through
He never got the massive cover up Kamoshida did, and his sports teams were little league stuff, but damn that was quite a topic for an 8 year old me to have dropped on him. I suppose it's understandable, but damn shame that killed the community center. Directly after that, the super comfy building that acted as a meet up for all the kids in town during summer just died. It was kept running by a new person but the whole place was so empty you could hear an echo just walking around in it.

Because its difficult to match the buildup they gave Kamoshida was difficult to give to the other villains too.

>>384543532

Every character is a shitbag before joining. Makoto and Futaba also tried to blackmail the party.

>>384540850
What would have worked to make the player give a shit about taking down these guys beyond "because" would be to find a way to get Joker in a situation in which you have a different goal for a while other than watching the calender. Keneshiro's a good example, instead of change his heart in 30 days or he releases the black mail photos force the player to give him chunks of Yen everyday while you try to find a way into his palace, it would give the player a personal motivation to take him out

>>384560978
That is a decent idea. I get they needed to give you a solid progression through the game, but it felt so flat just waiting for the story to give you your deadline so you could do what you always do already. Having stuff like Kaneshiro having thugs come take your money or having Kamoshida put you in detention ruining your day plans every so often would've been nice touches, though would even further just encourage players to not do anything but gun through the dungeon day 1 I suppose.
Unless they re-implemented the sick feature from 3 which I'm surprised they didn't do. Everyone talks about it, but there is no visible deterioration of your party as you gun through a dungeon. Just keep going until you run out of mana.

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