>thought FE Echoes looked low budget from trailers >it's

>>384521234
It is low budget. They just took advantage of their ability to raise the production values at low cost to whip up this filler game while doing the costly work on FE switch.

>>384521234
>Yeah, and as plain and simple as the story was, it was mileages better than the shitshow that was Fates' plot.
Absolutely fucking agree. Hopefully IS relearns how to not make a retarded story from Echoes

>>384521234
>which improves the strategy and careful planning instead of loading your character with a bunch of OP weapons

Kek. No it doesn't. It means enemies that carry food for healing won't be carrying a weapon and will ignore just about everything to run to the nearest healing tile when low on health thus making them an easy target.

>No shitty bloated cast with dozens of shitty uninteresting supports

Most supports in this game suck and there are far too little.

>No dumb class skills to make characters broken as fuck

You sound like somebody who picked Birthright over Conquest.

>No weapon triangle to make fights fair and not abuse it

Fates has the best overall weapon triangle of any Fire Emblem.

It doesn't rule the game but it's powerful enough to where you can't ignore it. Fights in Echoes will never be fair due to grinding and Mila's Turnwheel. Echoes is one of the most unfair Fire Emblem games when it comes to how much power the player has in relation to the CPU.

>Revamped the removed dura to not make weapons fucking shit (silver, etc)

Silver weapons weren't shit in Fates. They had to be used in moderation and punished players for trying to equip a Silver weapon and just throwing their unit into a pile of enemies.

Don't kid yourself. Echoes is shit. If the plot in Echoes was so good you wouldn't have to insult Fates' plot to try and make Echoes' plot look better than it really is, just like all the other retarded Echoes fans.

>>384521234
>Yeah, and as plain and simple as the story was, it was mileages better than the shitshow that was Fates' plot.

Echoes' plot is shit and contradicts itself.

>>384522127
>Fates has the best overall weapon triangle of any Fire Emblem.
Fuck off. The inclusion of magic and bows into it was fucking retarded and made no sense at all.

>>384522127
Fuck off.

>>384521234
>Can only carry one item, which improves the strategy and careful planning instead of loading your character with a bunch of OP weapons
What the fuck, no it doesn't. The thought process for what items to equip is
>hmm, do I want to equip a shield and prolong the process of killing enemies
>or do I want to equip an actual weapon and doublelion the shit out of everything

>>384522453
Why would you ever consider giving shields or rings to a unit that could use a weapon? That shit is for mages and healers.

>>384522127
>Silver weapons aren't shit
>they only make your unit completely debuffed for 5 fucking turns
They are trash if they need to come up with this shitty sorry excuse of a "punishment" for using the high level weapons. There's absolutely no point in using a silver weapon over a steel or even an iron weapon. Hell why even bother with them when killer weapons are fucking retarded in this game and you can crit anything?

>>384522389
And yet it was still better than the shitshow in many past Fire Emblem games.

>>384522393
I have no argument: the post.

>>384522453
Yeah, that skill you get late in the game on one character who's supposed to have that weapon equipped anyway is so relevant to everything else.

>>384522775
GBA games had the best triangle balance with weapons, the 3 kinds of magics, and bows being their own thing.

>uuuuuuuuh bows beat lances cuz dunno lol
And unifying magic into just one category completely killed it. It was already shitty enough in Awakening with the dark tomes, but completely awful in Fates.

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>>384521234
It's a passion project from the Gaiden fans working at IS that they could put out because the franchise is stable now. I enjoy the game so much, you can tell they poured a lot of love into it.

>>384522939
>responding seriously to blatant shitposting

>>384522758
My point, there's no thinking in using items. Physical units get weapons, mages get either the mage ring or a shield. There's not "careful planning" in that.
>>384522801
Obviously Alm can only doublelion but everyone has skills to kill shit which you don't get from the default weapons. Even if skills weren't a thing though the no-brainer is to equip a fucking weapon to rout faster, the one thing the game tells you to do.

>>384522939
The magic triangle was always stupid though since you have no reason to attack high res enemies like mages with weapons that target res. But even then I'd take it over the stupid shit that Fates did.

The soundtrack is amazing and well above awakenings and fates but I wonder if that's because they had Gaidens base to work off of.

>>384522127
This except the part about the weapon triangle. Fates's one was retarded.

>>384522767
>completely debuffed for 5 fucking turns
What? It's two. Also they're so strong and accurate that they can easily cover their own debuffing as long as you don't use scummy lowmanning strategies.

>>384523294
Why are people so fond of "neutral" weapons?

>>384523402

or you can use killers/forged irons which have just about the same damage (or potentially more in the case of killers) without the drawbacks

I personally appreciate them trying to balance out weapons a bit, but they didn't do a very good job in fates

>>384522127
>Fates has the best overall weapon triangle of any Fire Emblem.
Post discarded, go fuck yourself.

>>384523289
Indeed. Hence you have to select weapons for them. With Alm and Celica that goes out the window because they have plot weapons. OP is likely talking about the practice of loading characters with specialised weapons for multiple situations compared to only having one unless you camp next to the lord.

>>384523298
The original did have some really good shit for a NES game, but plenty of the new tracks made for the remake are also just as good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHojJsGlZ-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOB4ZPukubw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Veyuy4kKg

>>384521234
>No shitty bloated cast with dozens of shitty uninteresting supports
Nothing's changed except there's just less of them.


>>384522127
>Fights in Echoes will never be fair due to grinding and Mila's Turnwheel

It's an optional feature and makes the game less frustrating. All FE's suffer from the player resetting a battle 40-turns in after losing 1 good fighter.

>>384523680
Forging means grinding and the game isn't balanced around that, while Killers are simply too unreliable. Silver weapons are for when you really, really need to kill something and can't afford to rely on a 40% chance to crit.

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Why is Eromanaga sensei's brother with this red head?

>>384524112
Honestly I fucking hate retards who complain about the turnwheel
Yeah, it's there.
It's optional.
You know what else is optional? Phoenix mode
Don't like it? Then don't use it.

>>384524273
using the turnwheel doesn't taint your saveslot forever though

>>384524184
Not to mention the debuff doesn't even apply in attack stance.

>>384523889
>Lord of a Dead Empire
My nigga.

>>384524273
Mila's Turnwheel is a gameplay mechanic present in all difficulty modes and Phoenix mode is an actual mode. Do not compare the two retard. If Mila's Turnwheel was in Fates or Awakening you'd bitch up a shitstorm just to have something to complain about. All Mila's Turnwheel does is make an already shitty strategy game even more shitty.

>>384524386
It's not exactly related but attack stance can also lift Ginnungagap/Hagakure/Snake Spirit/Etc debuff without any issue whatsoever (besides the gimped support attack).

>>384524493
all the turnwheel does is save you the tedium of restarting a chapter when you fuck up and lose an unit when playing in classic, because 99% of you all bitch niggas never do an ironman run. You all reset when you lose a unit
>n-no I don't
Riiiight, faggot. It's so fun and hardcore to lose one of your best units to a 1% crit

>>384523889
You forgot this anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlfAVCCKIs

>>384523889
Lord of a Dead Empire is technically the only new one out of those three

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2atSwNDI6IE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCAfEHiuI6E

>>384524668
Permadeath is a thing of the past if I gotta be honest with you desu.

>>384524493
Shitty or not I absolutely needed the turnwheels for the temple of Mila and greith's lair

>>384521234
>Besides the junk maps, this was a nice step up from Fates

Do you really think so? I thought the map design for Celica's route was definitely a thought provoking design.

>Grieth's lair had two hallways with 3 hallway druids
>Alternate my 3 pegasi to eliminate druids while fighters hold both ends of the hallway with mages in the back
>Slowly but surely make progress down the 2 hallways
>Greith shows up and makes my west side retreat
>east side pushes further and provokes greith
>bottleup Greith in the center room with the knight guy

Took me all of my turnwheels and 40+ turns to pull off.

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>>384521234
the game goes from 8/10 to 5/10 due those fucking maps, who though a bunch of tiny shit with only chokehold was a good idea

>>384524668
Fucking this. Losing a vital unit is just too punishing making a mistake as little as moving him 1 tile too far to the left.

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>>384525049
Wrong.
https://youtu.be/3Y_OmjpIJ5k
https://youtu.be/GO26tB9Xbo0

I am at post-game now but the enemies are so BS. 40+ stat on everything while I am barely 30+ for Alm. What should I do to git gud

>>384521234
This game is so good.

I even think that Echoes is the best Fire Emblem since Genealogy of the Holy War (well it's a remake, but it still count).

Are we going to get new FE for 3ds or we are done?

Echoes is shit and even Sacred Stones was better than it.

>>384525438
That's nice, but What Lies at the End and The Sacrifice and the Saint are still based on the Gaiden tracks

>>384525742
Echoes bombed so as long as FE Switch is at least decent it's safe to say we won't get any more Fire Emblem on the 3DS.

The bad map design and the annoying overworld enemies forces me to rank Fates higher than Echoes desu.

>>384525742
Chances are we're done. Echoes was just a thing they made because they wanted to make it, not because they needed to make it.

>>384521234
No waifus = no buy

>>384525907
>500k units
>bombed
>for a remake that didn't cost anything

And they already said no more FE games for 3DS.

>>384525608
If you didn't grind meticulously during the main game you're pretty much done, you may try to grind now but you'll likely need a lot of savescumming to get good levelups.

>>384526116
It's an old shitpost.

>>384525608
Bring Gray as a Dread Fighter and forge him a good Brave Sword. Crit city.

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Give me a better and confier song that this one and its remixed
ill wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxQDoXqeZ7A

>>384526116
b-but /v/ told me it bombed...

>>384524384
You can turn Phoenix mode off.

>>384526424
/v/ is full of retards, including me. Have you seen the rest of this thread?

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>>384525896
I still don't hear it personally, but alright. I guess I'll share a few tracks I happen to like that are never shared in these threads then.
https://youtu.be/maxmnjMX-oc
https://youtu.be/1S5LQ7USSZk
https://youtu.be/5NGULpa1s8g
https://youtu.be/_9yVfsI6re4

>>384526424
shitposters, thanks to waifufagging FE became a cashcow and they will milk it until the president himself tell you Hector is the best

it and conquest are both pretty great fun imho

Who's worse? Celica or Femui?

>>384521234
There's literally no pratical way to get "broken skills" even with reclassing, without grinding.

>>384526001
it had some of the best maps in the series sprinkled in though

>temple of Mila
>Saving private mage girl
>Greith's lair

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>>384525608
Delthea and Gray combo pretty much steamrolled the entire post-game for me. But then maybe I was just lucky with level ups on those 2.

>>384526474
I thought you couldn't after activating it?

>>384524184

It's not exactly hard to make a forged iron weapon even with conquest's limited funds

of course, you won't get to have an iron for every single unit (unless you're lowmanning really hard), but there's enough money in that route that you honestly don't even need to bother with a silver weapon

>>384526598
None of those are the best maps in the series. Temple of Mila is absolute shit. Summoning spam and RNG terrain further ruin just about every map in this game.

>>384521234
What exactly are these skills that make characters broken?

>>384526663
Sort of. You can't go back to Classic, but you can switch to Casual, at least. I had Phoenix Mode on so I could just blindly auto battle my way through the hilariously bland and uninteresting children stages.

>>384527004
>galeforce
>astra
>lethality
>aether

>>384527087
>DLC and is obtained late as fuck
>Only for dodgetanks that have to rely on rng
>RNG
>DLC, obtained late as fuck and somewhat worse Sol

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>tfw Thracia 776 isn't getting into Cipher for another two months
I just want the wait to end. The last set did little for me, because although the SoV content was good, I literally give 0 fucks about Laguz or the Hasha no Tsurugi dudes.

>>384527262
>dlc
eh? just reclass every fucking femake to pegasus knight and give it to their sons
same goes for astra, just make everyone myrmidon

Celica was as dumb as a rock.

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>>384527267
>implying this guy alone doesn't make up for it all

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>>384527267
I persistently joked a little under a year ago that we'd get Gaiden in Cipher before Sacred Stones. Then Echoes was announced. I sure feel fucking silly now.

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>>384527267
So I'm not the only one who buys Cipher cards. I really went crazy with my money went I went to Japan a few weeks back.

>>384527486
You do realize galeforce in Fates is only availible to Dark Flier of which is a DLC class, and that you can't give skills from DLC classes to kids through inheritance. Also making everyone a myrmidon is stupid, no one's going to reliably tank shit.

>>384527659
rinea sure is smokin' hot

>>384527486
Besides Galeforce, the only skill I'd legit call "broken" is Replicate.

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>>384527746
>fates baby

>>384527940
Of which is obtained in a garbage class of which Master Ninjas are vastly superior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrfutC6DDq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YGxMjywSk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSXHjPVDg28

I really love how operatic the soundtrack is. Very good use of vocals.

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>>384527723
Hey, you were right, at least.
We got five different sets containing Fates content before we got TSS. We got Hasha no Tsurugi before TSS. TMS before TSS. We're even getting fucking Heroes before TSS.

>>384527734
Nice man. I've been wanting to buy cards for myself, but they'd just be for the sake of having a collection. I prefer just playing online.

>>384528075
>Not reading the OP of whom was talking about Fates.

>>384528102
You merely need TWO levels in the class to get it though.

>>384528197
Of which that unit is deadweight in the meantime and reclassing isn't free.

I love this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3SS0yZx8l8

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hi

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>>384521234
>aside from the shit maps, it was pretty great
See the problem with this is, you can't just skip over this. The maps were REALLY bad and barely required any thought or effort. Removing the weapon triangle only worsened this.

>No skills to make units op
Did you play conquest? The problem with no skills means the enemies don't get any skills either. They're already at a huge disadvantage to anyone on your team because of no possible weapon triangle advantages, now they can't even have maybe a breaker skill or buffs from other enemies to assist them. Everyone not having skills doesn't make the system more balanced at all, actually increases the gap between an enemy unit and your own. Your argument only makes sense with Birthright, really

>only being able to carry one item improves strategy instead of loading your character with a bunch of op weapons
The complete opposite there too, actually. Only being able to have one item means that having the "op weapon" immediately takes priority and will be the only thing an average unit in your army will have, excluding mages and healers.

>Fixed silver weapons
Honestly I liked how the silver weapons were way more useful for the opposing side compared to yours, felt way more "fair" and encouraged you to use iron and steel weapons more (carrying both incase you can't outspeed with steel). If they didn't have any drawbacks, everyone would just use silver weapons (if you had the money for it).

I do agree with the story being a huge improvement, but that's a given. The art and ost are great too, though I missed the calm/storm themes, having a seperate battle theme really just stopped the flow of everything.

>>384525608
Pitchfork Lukas and/or Zeke to dread fighter, no stat drops mean they keep their defense while also gaining speed and being able to use brave swords

>>384527486
Outed yourself as a dumbass who didn't actually play the game to completion.

>>384522767
Silver weapon are for Attack stance

>>384523384
Better than the previous due to weapon scale and non everything has a counter.

>>384521234
>Gameplay and design wise.
>No shitty bloated cast with dozens of shitty uninteresting supports
I'm not going to even bother reading the rest of this post. Echoes has awful gameplay and supports. Some of the worst in the franchise. I don't see how people can praise or even defend them.

Echoes is the worst game in the series.

>>384528592
PICKLES XDDD

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>>384528592
Being short doesn't automatically make em shitty.

The music being posted ITT is making me want to buy this game, even though my copies of Awakening and Conquest are still unopened.

>>384528449
Another anon blows the fuck out of TC.

Echoes is watered down and barebones even if we exclude Fates and Awakening from the picture. No wonder Nintendo and Regi consider it a success.

>>384528683
Objectively incorrect.

So was Mila just as crazy as Duma? Are other Dragons in the Archanea series like Nowi, Nah and Tiki susceptible to going batshit?

>>384528592
tfw when you'd rather have le ebin pickle man over lukas.

i can't imagen having taste this shit.

>>384528745
Them being short has little to do with their quality.

>>384521234
It's a step down gameplaywise though, there's a serious lack of complexity and map design compared to Conquest

>>384528683
Echoes and PoR are the best games in the series to be honest
FE5 is really good too but I feel like it suffers Fates' problem of being blancement chaos

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>>384528791
>Nah
lmao she's a few centuries younger than the other and she's already showing signs of the madness taking over

>>384526116
>Echoes
>500k units
You wish. Echoes likely hasn't even broken 400k world wide. It sold sub 200k in both the US and Japa.

>>384528683
It's certainly one of the worst.

It's hilarious how Echoesfags have to always bring up Fates when talking about Echoes' plot. Fates' plot being shit doesn't make Echoes' plot good.

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Wew, thought that anon was exaggerating when he said that there's a guy who hates Echoes so much he goes full on pokebarneyfag on it.
Kind of amusing that the best place to discuss FE is outside of FE threads now.

>>384528842
And what's exactly wrong with them besides being short?

>>384528874
Anything Gaiden will never be close to being the best in the series. Take a shotgun and end everyone's suffering of your existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzKptJ9VIiE

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>>384528791
>Was mila crazy?
Fuck yes she was, Celica's mother keep her hidden from Mila because she would have killed her.

>Faye / Silque support

C
>Hey wanna be friends
>Fuck you you're not Alm
>what

B
>Maybe we could talk about Alm
>Fuck you you're not Alm
>what

A
>I'm so ronery can we be friends
>OK we can talk about Alm
>OK

One might think that lowering the amount of supports would increase the quality, but in fact they're about the same level of mediocre

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>>384528874
>Echoes and PoR are the best games in the series to be honest
Really? Both have some of the worst gameplay in the series and even Genealogy is better.

>>384528925
Echoes is around 440k right now.

>>384528791
She wasn't completely crazy, she just knew it was coming. I thought manaketes bound their power to stones to ward off the crazy.

>>384528975
Each game in the series has at least one dedicated anon to hate it to that extent.

>>384529086
>cherrypicking
so it just enforces her point a little. It's funny.

>>384528818
Lukas's supports reveal that he's a shitty version of Beruka. Did you even read them? And even then, one decent support doesn't excuse all the other garbage like Mathilda/Clive, Jesse/Deen, Nomah/Celica, Conrad/Celica, Gray/Tobin, etc.

The supports are just bad and the cast becomes very poorly developed as a result.

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>>384528791
Note that Duma remained in a dragon body and was always an asshole. Mila degenerated due to her dragon body being kept intact.
As far as I remember, they don't succumb if they remain human form, hence the lack of Earth Dragons. There are also dragons that are simply beasts, like Dagons.

>>384529086
I actually liked Faye because I thought it was hilarious just how fucking thirsty she was for Alm's cock. I think she might actually beat out Melia as the biggest cuck in any Nintendo game.

>>384528818
Just report him you moron. This isn't even new shitposting.

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>>384529272
>doesn't even try to defend fates's supports because he knows he can't

>>384529190
But I mean I just thought it was an exaggeration. The guy has appeared over and over with the same posts.

>>384529419
>Doesn't even try to defend Echoes supports and admits Lukas is a shitty version of a Fates character
I accept your concession. Have a nice day, sweetie.

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>>384529339
Biggest cuck is and will always be Lyon.

Echoes bored the shit out of me and I dropped it less than half way in.

>>384529430
Which one?

>>384528818
Echoes has the worst supports in the series. Stop defending it.

https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/support-conversations/tobin-kliff/

>>384529109
They play differently maybe but they're still enjoyable video games. Like I would rather play Tetris than Conquest since at least Tetris doesn't insult me for playing it

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>>384529598
>>384529656
tfw you will never be a landwhale that shitposts on 4chan every day

>>384529598
>sweetie
Holy shit go back to tumblr you odious faggot

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>>384521234
>cutscenes are done by Khara
FUCKING ANNO 3.0 + 1.0 WHEN

>>384529634
I don't want to reply to them all, but I've seen these same posts in several other threads, almost to a copy-paste level. The best example is the 3rd reply.

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>>384529659
you gotta admit being called a loser by Ringo would be pretty hot

>>384529406
You can't be more triggered if you tried right now.
>j-just report them. MODS DELETE THIS!

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>>384528167
I only got them for collection purposes myself since I wouldn't have anyone to actually play directly with. Most cardshops in Japan sell them for pretty cheap too. The average card is about 20 yen with some of the rarer ones being about 100 yen. The really rare ones can be dammed expensive though. The most expensive one I saw would be this Hector card that went for over 5000 yen and as much as I liked the guy I wasn't going to throw down that kind of money. I got some of his more common cards that went for cheaper though.

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>>384529796
After he finished Shin Gojira he said he would work on it.

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SOON

>>384529659
Just because play differently doesn't mean they aren't bad. I would rather play Pac-Man than Echoes because at least Pac-Man requires me to think

It's funny how you almost literally can't criticize Echoes without someone chiming in with something about Fates and/or waifus, like you must be a "nuFE" fan to dare hate on it. I played Echoes and thought it was mediocre as shit, honestly bordering on bad outside of the Hidari art. Played Thracia 776 and Mystery of the Emblem right after and both of them were miles better in practically every way except presentation.

shame theres no lunatic fe heroes requires more thinking than this easy game

dub is awful had to install undub asap

>>384530073
i do agree that is abit silly, although more often then not, people that criticize a game in this franchise can't help but to compare it to another game, which really doesn't help their case when most of the emblems have pretty bad writing and gameplay.

>>384530073
You also can't praise it.

>>384530042
I recognize those eyes

>>384530073
Echoes retards can't get the taste of Fates' cock out of their mouths and mention it anytime they mention Echoes, especially when they talk about Echoes's mediocre plot.

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>>384530059
What was meant by this? I meant that Tetris and Conquest both really make me think at times but I consider Conquest's literally everything outside of maps a crime against humanity.

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>>384530015
I think Deirdre 4 is actually the priciest card, but don't quote me on that.

Goddamn, I'm gonna have to buy cards solo when I start collecting. That's going to be hell on the bank account.

>>384530192
Echoes dub is terrible. The sub is so much better.

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>>384529874
Anon, you just missed the entire point of that reply

>>384530417
It just dawned on me a few minutes after posting it, sorry.

>>384526598
The ONLY good maps in the game are Rigel Castle and the one just before it with the long lines of interior.

>>384521234
Echoes needed more Big Boss Jesse

>no romance system


Why
That made me feel worse when my characters died.

>>384530382
seriously? what's so bad about it besides Zeke?

>>384530228
we're in this weird congo of "you can't say you hate it, but you also can't say you liked it either"

>>384530521
>the one just before it with the long lines of interior
You mean the universally hated map that everybody absolutely fucking dread playing?

>>384530562
Sounds about right for the FE fanbase. "Sit down and shut up, you're wrong," the fanbase.

>>384530550
>seriously?
anon pls

>>384530306
Echoes is a bad game is what I'm saying. Even as someone who enjoyed it, it's a terribly made game and the thing it has going for it is its presentation.

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>>384529656
I mean, I'm not trying to argue for Echoe's quality here, but you gotta choose your words a little more carefully.

>>384530228
Sure you can. For a prime example just look at /feg/, where badmouthing Echoes results in half a dozen people calling you some tripfag they hate who apparently dislikes the game.

>>384523289
I sometimes put rings like the coral ring on zeke since he kills fine on his own but cant survive mages that well

>>384530541
There are some canon relationships if you get the supports, besides there was no way that children were getting added in a way that made sense.

>>384530853
>/feg/
>going to generals at all

no anon, you are the cancer

>>384530725
as someone that has played these games for 14 years, pretty much.

>>384530853
Never speak about that place ever again. Do not reply to me, do not link it, do not reference it, and get out of this thread. /feg/ makes /v/ look like a discussion of world leaders on world changing topics.

>>384530725
It's like you people don't know what site you're on.

>>384531041
>implying that's every fanbase on /v/
You must not play many games son. There are plenty of fanbases that have great threads and communities, even in this shithole.

>>384530825
Can you really call the supports in RD actual support when it's all just generic lines?

>>384530853
I guarantee whoever that is in this thread right now. /feg/'s autistic tripfags invade every discussion, they only take off their trips if people will respond solely with "shut up."

>>384529086
theres always a ton of mediocre supports in FE

>No dumb class skills to make characters broken as fuck

While I don't miss skills it the class balance is so poor and maps are so poorly developed that cheesing dreadfighters and bow knights is the only way to actually progress through basically every map after a point.

Not to mention items/skills being learned via leveling relegates mages to shit tier and makes some unplayable (no thunder pls go).

>>384530952
Feels bad that nearly (not all) every good discussion on FE is outside of FE threads, except for a select few. The only good FE threads I've seen in months are "what's your favorite FE game" threads.

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>>384530369
Just don't lose it like I did. I certainly wasn't planning on buying cards when I went to Japan and I nearly spent a hundred dollars them. I don't regret it though. If it wasn't going to be spent on cards it would have been spend on figures. Also even though it was just a promotion for the card game and not for Genealogy, it was still nice seeing Sigurd on this huge banner on the side of the card shop. I regret not taking a picture of it.

So I finished the bonus boss by going full retard and doing the Villager loop

Is there DLC to make things slightly longer?

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>can only equip one item
>so many good rings
>only mages and cleric can realistically use them without gimping
>magics and clerics need shields until MAYBE the very last fight
>No rings allowed

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>>384531160
I mean, Mystery of the Emblem and Shadow Dragon had supports with no conversations at all. They just kind of existed between characters. Gameplay wise, they kind of serve the same purpose as any other game's supports, so I don't know what else you'd call them.

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>>384530774
>presentation
that encompasses a lot of things, though.
>art style. Hidari is a god and my favorite artist FE has had
>bodybuilding
>characters
>tone
>atmosphere
>story and pacing
>even moral ground in Conquest's case because holy shit the game did NOT want you to pick that route
Conquest had none of these things on its side. Sweet maps, though!
>>384529656
1.) RD's build-a-support system was way worse and Fates had some of the worst supports in the series content wise
2.) These characters actually have chemistry and bond with one another and have conversations and build their relationships
3.) they aren't just shoe horned "get to know the characters because they have literally no other dialogue" opportunities, Echoes has base dialogue and memory shards to build character.
4.) That's not one of them, but some of the supports can only be unlocked after certain points in the story so you can see the effects the story has on certain characters.
5.) Deen isn't canon so his support with Jesse never happened

>>384531597
Every canon mage gets Thunder/Sagittae besides Delthea (who still manages to be broken as fuck thanks to her retarded growths) though.

>>384531768
>body building
I meant worldbuilding. Whoops

>>384531727
Most Mages are fine without shields only healers neeed them cause they lack killing power

>>384531727
>shields
Lol just nuke everything nigga.

>>384531953
If anything it's the exact opposite. All the clerics stat up great and can heal back most the dmg on hit.

Then again unsurprisingly mages are shit in dreadfighter the game.

>Echoescucks
(lol

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>>384532019
>Bow archers murder before can get in range
>Necro dragons surround

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>>384530541
"Muh canon romances"

Which is funny because the first thing I would have done is kept pure cinnamon roll Alm far away from crazy woman Celica.

>>384532165
lift & throw

>>384532065
>mages
>shit
they're the only characters that ignore terrain and they have healing utility. If anything it's terrain the game.

>it looks even better than RD models

You sure about that? I played RD recently, and it honestly looks better imo. Granted, I would say Echoes is up there in quality.

>>384532239
I'll give you utility, but when enemies have 160 hp your 26x2 isn't going to do squat without a crit

>>384532165
>*miss*
>*double-angel your sorry ass*

>>384531768
Presentation in how the story is told. Plot is the only thing SoV (and PoR/Genealogy) has going for it.

>Weapon Triangle
Honestly, the only game that really did weapon triangle right was Heroes. In all of the other games, it stops mastering past like the very beginning because the adjustments are too small. I'm not even going to waste time talking about the magic triangle either.

>>384532239
Nah. Dreads with immune everything and insane crit change Bow K's with Killer bows are all better. Magic is pretty weak.

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Echoes doesn't "suck," really. I enjoyed about everything other than the maps and mechanics, which would be fine if the maps and mechanics weren't the main focuses of the game. I don't regret buying it, but the maps and mechanics being shit really overshadowed everything else for me

>>384521234
>Gameplay and design wise.
lol

>>384521234
>Gameplay wise
>step up from Fates

Anon, I enjoyed Echoes too but let's not go crazy here.

>>384532650
You can't just claim mages are weak. They all have strong speed and atk, and they're the only characters with res. Mage ring exists for smacking asses from five miles away and so does excalibur, as well as seraphim for swatting terrors and terror mobs down like flies.

Why do people on this board like Fates so much? Honestly, even on Conquest I was bored to tears.

>>384532610
>Weapon Triangle not mattering in Conquest after the beginning

You obviously didn't finish the game. The weapon triangle never loses significance. Especially when enemies pose more of a challenge as you progress farther into the game unlike many past Fire Emblem games.

>>384532610
Shadow Dragon - Awakening has the weapon rank bonus, and Fates has weapon scaling.

>>384533147
because >at least it's not as bad as Awakening
That's it.

Wait, there are people who actually thought Echoes plot was good?

>Inb4 b-b-but it wasn't as bad as Fates' plot.

>>384532610

I liked the triangle in PoR/Radiant Dawn. It balanced out classes that would ordinarily be OP as fuck if not for it.

>>384533147
Why were you bored to tears, anon?

>>384533297
He said Conquest, not Echoes.

>>384533167
The mechanics are so stacked in the player's favor that being on WTD isn't really that much of a death sentence if you're on the wrong side of the triangle.

>>384533343
Axes are by far and away the strongest physical weapon type and mages are dog shit in RD.

>>384533147
Gameplay.

Some people actually like Fire Emblem for the gameplay.

>>384533167
To be honest adding all of those weapons to the triangle made it shitty. Give me one reason why they decided it was a good idea to put magic in general into the weapon triangle.

>>384533279
>Awakening's weapon rank bonuses
Yet the go to gamebreaking strategy uses Tomes which are outside of the triangle.

>>384533343
Replaying Radiant Dawn right now and the weapon triangle doesn't nearly matter as much as biorhythm.

>>384533434
>The mechanics are so stacked in the player's favor

I believe that anon was talking about Conquest, not Echoes.

Supplies in Conquest are limited and there's no grinding. Unlike in Echoes where supplies aren't as limited (Food and Weapons are easy to find and don't even require Gold.), grinding does exist, and Mila's Turnwheel is a thing.

>>384533434

Don't axe users suffer from a huge hit and speed decrease when up against sword users though? Last I checked they're pretty shit when up against them in PoR/RD.

>>384533520
I had always assumed they added the weapon triangle to ranged weapons to balance mages and buff archers, since previously in awakening, mages were pretty broken. They managed to buff archers, but mages took too big of a hit

>>384533509
for the billionth time, it's an RPG.
RPGs make up for the alright-to-mediocre gameplay with good story.
if the gameplay's good it's possible for there to be a group that plays it for that, but there's no way it would ever be the majority.

>>384533561
So every type can have a counter so you don't get one overpowering type. Magic is shit because they nerfed it to much after Awakening.

>>384533561
Because Awakening magic was broken.

>>384533654
>Supplies in Conquest are limited and there's no grinding.
This is only a problem if you actually try to use everyone because they're deployed instead of realizing that some units are strictly better off as pair up fodder or only need to reach 10/1 to contribute.

>>384533760
You get -1 damage and -10 accuracy. That's it. Speed is based on weapon weight vs your strength in RD, so axe users ironically tend to be faster than sword users due to their high strength.

>>384533587

It's been a while since I've played RD. Is the triangle still pretty effective though? I do remember biorhythm being a huge factor.

>>384534006

What about in PoR?

>>384533882
>but there's no way it would ever be the majority.

How do you figure that retard when gameplay is what distinguishes a game from a novel or movie and many Fire Emblem plots aren't really anything special?

>>384534006

The sword user gets a 10+ increase though, doesn't that basically mean a 20% difference in accuracy?

>>384534137
Same system, but slightly more relevant because you don't have biorhythm screwing you over with -20hit/avo every 4 turns

>>384533654
>I believe that anon was talking about Conquest, not Echoes.
I believe that anon was talking about a game with the weapon triangle, not Echoes.

>>384534257

That shit sucked. Made what's-his-face that much more relevant though. Forgot his name, but he's a Heren.

>>384533882
SRPG, anon.

And several FE games have better gameplay than story like the Archanea games, just because Tellius and Echoes have a big focus on story doesn't suddenly make the gameplay not count.

>>384534253
Yeah but sword users will hit you anyway due to their high skill stats

>>384533985
>So every type can have a counter so you don't get one overpowering type.

>FE4/5
Swords/Wind Magic

>FE6
Lances were generally the best weapon type since swords were kind of weak and axes were terrible

>FE7/8
Javelins/Hand Axes are the only weapons that matter. Sword/Bows are downright trash and Anima is generally the best one outside of a couple niche uses.

>FE9/10
Axes shit on the other physical weapons full stop. Highest might and their accuracy is far from bad

>FE11
Wing Spear > all

>FE13
Magic shits over everything like if it was FE4 Wind Magic all over again

>>384534006
Only for the beginning, eventually everyone outgrows weapon weight troubles, even mages (in RD anyway)

Is the dlc worth it ? I don't have a hacked ds so free isn't an option

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She was the strongest warrior with the best growth in my playthrough
she deserves alm

>>384533882
This isn't the same type of rpg with a battle system like bravely default or a Tales of game though. It has a specific amount of chapters and normally doesn't have any random encounters, with the battle system being focused on half the maps and half the enemies in the maps. You can't really get away with just increasing levels and stats like you could with a different combat system, it's very noticeable when a new chapter doesn't have as much effort put into it compared to another. Also, echoes' story is alright, but I don't think it holds up everything else very well

>>384521234
It feels like it didn't have any budget for advertisement, though. Not nearly as much as Awakening or Fates.

I don't get the love for Berkut. He doesn't really do anything except talk shit and kill his waifu who gets a tiny amount of screen time.

>>384534356
Yes and the inverse is true too. Just because some games have a poor story, doesn't mean it can't ever be a factor that people enjoy other Fire Emblem games for.

>>384533882
The majority of your playtime in a FE game will be playing the game and you will be skipping the cutscenes on your future playthroughs. Why does story matter again?

>>384534592

She kind of reminds me of a Tharja light. Not quite all out cray-cray, but that "I'm ready to kill in your name" shit gave me the chills.

>>384534546
There is backstory DLC, grinding DLC, and DLC that lets you use the OCs from the card games. Just go for the ones the float your boat.

>>384534716
Carried by his VA being one of the best in the game

>>384534716

It's his VA performance more than anything, which is probably among the best in any FE game to date.

>>384534592
>mfw Alm/ Celica was so fucking bad I wish there was a way to skip it completely

I thought Fates romances were bad, I wasn't prepared for the shitshow that was Alm/ Celica.

>>384534716
It's mostly because his voice actor is probably the best one in the game. He really does a good job of hamming it up.

>>384534716
He had a nice voice.
"We'll hold our wedding atop his funeral!" is my favorite line in the game

>>384534765
No one said otherwise, the original question was "Why do people like Fates so much".

The gameplayfags love Conquest for the maps and mechanics.

>>384534467
I didn't ask for a breakthrough of the most powerful weapon types. Magic and magic was added like bows so they wouldn't be useless or OP like before. They just forgot to made them good instead of poor.

>>384535153
What I'm saying is that IS is fucking retarded and they've never been able to make a weapon triangle without a couple weapon types shitting all over the others.

>>384521234
I actually can't believe someone is defending no weapon triangle and only carrying one item. Durability was also not the reason Silvers were shit, the reason why Irons are king is because they still do decent damage and don't destroy your speed.

People will literally say the dumbest shit just so they can shit on Fates.

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>>384534716

I like his regal attitude, and the way he looks. Plus, he hit like a mack truck. I can't help but respect characters that make me have to work in order to defeat them. This nigger did not know when to quit.

I gotta tell you though, but the third round I was sick of him and wanted him dead.

>>384535594
I can't understand the "Iron weapon bias" complaint when in almost every game, Iron weapons are always the best. Cheap, lots of uses,there's no reason NOT to use them the whole game and then break out the big guns in the final battle.

>>384535594

It wouldn't have been worth it to add weapon triangle to Echoes

>>384535017
Right, sorry. I pulled the trigger too easily there. I do think Fire Emblem has its different aspects people can enjoy more than others, and it's ultimately why the fanbase can be so split to begin with. I tend to get a little too hung up in these arguments lately.

>>384535594
>don't destroy your speed.
Fast characters tend to have overkill speed and double with them anyway, slow characters are too slow to double normally and use steels for extra damage. The speed penalties only matter for people on the threshold of doubling/not doubling.

>>384535781
>Hoarding your weapons for the final battle
What's the point of saving up every single remotely rare weapon for the very end when there's several moments across the games when smart usage could save you from eating hits or dispatching a strong enemy.

>>384535807

I'm the guy you originally replied to. I gotta say, Fates' story did trigger me somewhat, and that may have impacted my enjoyment. I felt like it was too easy too. Also wasn't a fan of the addition of characters like shuriken users.

Really, there was a mixture of reasons as to why I didn't like Fates, even Conquest. I guess I shouldn't be unfair and question why people like it. If they like it, they like it. Just isn't for me.

>>384535495
Oh then I agree. I just hope weapon scaling and rank bonus are pushed father in the future.

>>384535954
>What's the point of saving up every single remotely rare weapon for the very end when there's several moments across the games when smart usage could save you from eating hits or dispatching a strong enemy.
This desu, people who save weapons are the worst, with people who save stat boosters right behind them. A 25/25 legendary weapon isn't going to be doing you any good sitting in your convoy and you're never going to get to the point where you think "Damn I wish I still had that weapon". Especially when you can make them last the whole rest of the game with smart usage - pushing yourself over OHKO/ORKO thresholds and then unequipping it before the enemy phase.

>>384536153
I can understand saving up stat boosters a little bit, especially if you're unsure how a unit is turning out, but you should be able to figure out the best unit for it within 2 chapters.

>>384536365
>Not powering your Lord or the Lord's waifu

>>384536654
Nah, I like assigning it to the right people.

>>384535807
Nah, it's alright, I'm probably a little harsh to the Tellius games and Echoes too since I didn't really care much for them gameplay-wise.

Tellius' god-tier worldbuilding and Echoes comfy cast are great, I really enjoyed that.

>>384534592
>mfw Cleric Faye would fuck up anyone who tried attacking her

>>384534546
Overclass is ass, you can safely ignore that

>>384534546
Only rise of the deliverance because they actually tried.

>>384534546
Rise of the Deliverance is basically what Echoes could have been if Echoes had actual objectives and not "Rout the Enemy"

>>384523294
The magic triangle would benefit from different bonuses than the regular weapon triangle. Reduce enemy resistance when attacking at an advantage, for instance.

>>384525049
They changed up those tracks so much I was really confused I couldn't find them when going through the Gaiden soundtrack. What Lies at the End in particular is barely recognizable until you start trying to hear the melody from the start.

>>384538356
That's because those tracks aren't even map themes used the same way. Those two songs he posted played when only one enemy was left, but the remake doesn't do that anymore and those songs' proper remixes were used as battle themes for the amiibo dungeons instead. You can probably argue that the new late game map themes took some inspiration from those two songs, but they clearly aren't meant to be the same as them.

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>>384530526
It's a shame that Deen's only support is absolute garbage, as is his ending. He'd fit great in Outer Heaven.

>if you pick deen genny literally has no supports

retarded as fuck desu

>>384533147
This holy fuck

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>>384539268
>Deen makes a country of Mercs in Valentia
>Ike is a merc
>Ike's supposed descendant Priam resides in present day Valentia.

Mhmhmm

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>>384522127
This.

>>384539903
Jesse*
I noticed that his gaiden ending didn't mention a mercenary nation. Did they do that to fit Priam or am I just believing that IS will put a little effort in the lore?

>>384521234
I found how simple the plot and characters were refreshing after the other 3DS game.

I feel like the shit maps were the only thing that really held it back.

>>384533147
fucking this desu

Game is awful as fuck.

>>384525423
how about you pay attention and not position your unit there. turnwheel is the most overpowered gameplay mechanic they've ever introduced destroying what little risk management the game had in the first place.

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>>384521234

I recognized the artist immediately.

>>384521234
Honestly I don't even dislike the maps. The simplicity really increased the difficulty in some places, like the fact that most bosses like to chill on high evasion tiles and beneficial terrain is placed in such a way that enemies can actually make use of it. Getting caught flatfooted and playing as the defending army where the enemy gets the first move was a real curveball.

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>>384540253
draws nice shit

>>384521234
Why does /v/ give all the stupid shit in this game a free pass while dissecting every aspect of Fates?

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>>384540337
>get ambushed on the world map
>your units are automatically placed where the enemies normally are
>you can do story missions where you have to fight additional soldiers at the same time
>mfw ambused on the 'two valleys' map and i have to deal with terrible unit placement
It's actually cool the first time you see it, but it doesn't really make up for the maps being boring 90% of the time you see them.

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>>384539903
Priam's location was all the way on the westernmost edge of Valm too. We never really see what's lying west of that continent, so that leaves the possibility that Tellius is just over there.

>>384540615
Shouldn't Tellius and the neighbouring Hatari be the only continents left in Ike's world? It's canon that Ashunera appeared in a world of nothing and made everything, according to the Tellius Recollections, so Archanea Universe definitely shouldn't be in the same place if the flood took place.

If anything, it somehow makes outrealms shit canon or we could just assume Awakening as the ultimate last fan service.

>>384540806
Hatari's not a continent, but yes. It's established several times in both games that Tellius is the only continent on the world

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>>384540925
I guess Ike just found an outrealm gate at random or something then. Or all of Awakening's spotpass downloaded paralogues are a load of shit that never really happen.

>>384541205
Well, the spotpass paralogues are indeed a load of shit, no idea if they are canon or not tho.

>>384541205
Priam doesn't contradict anything, as Ike never came back to Tellius.

The only thing that bothered me about those characters was Emmeryn.

>>384541205
Awakening is not canon, before it came out there was no "EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED" memery. You're trying to retcon totally different universes into being the same ones.

>>384541205
Outrealms are honestly just an excuse for non-canon crossovers.

>>384541389
I can't see why anybody even would consider them canon to begin with. A bunch of dead characters are just alive again for no real reason with nothing explaining why they're at where they are now.

>>384541576
They're not the real things. They're Einherjar. Just phantoms of heroes who just act and look like them. If anything, it's how they know of them when they're from different universes that's bullshit.

>>384521234
>No shitty bloated cast with dozens of shitty uninteresting supports
yeah instead we have a barebones cast with almost no supports and they're still shit

>>384532195
same celica came of as a religious nut.

>>384541772
I agree with the supports, but the cast was better in some aspects, i prefer 100 times gay archer than "le meme character that's invisible xd".

>>384521234
the limitations of inventory and durability are the worst aspects of FE games

I mean, it's fucking 2017, technical limitations aren't an excuse to "muh carefully planned strategy" anymore

>>384541982
ironically kellam is more memorable than the faggot

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>>384541982
People give Fates too much flak character-wise. I mean, there are some GARBAGE characters like Corrin, Xander, Soleil and Peri and bland literal whos like most of the Hoshido cast, definitely, but Fates did have some genuinely good characters like Niles, Shiro, Takumi, Dwyer, Ignatius and the like that have a surprising amount of personality..

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>>384542079
>inventory limit was hardware limitations

Doesn't fix the garbage writing but I guess that's a series staple

>>384541982
The cast is easily the most forgettable of the 3ds games

I can still remember at least 80% of the fates and awakening cast but I doubt I'll remember Forsyth, Silque, Kamui, Valbar and Jesse in a few months.

Pretty ironic that a character who's supposed to be invisible and forgettable is more memorable than half of Echoes' cast.

>>384542251
name a NES game where you can carry a shitload of items on your inventory, with complex unit management and a save system

>>384542470
Well fuck me, yes that's somewhat true, but atleast they are better characters, such a shame they wasted potential by having shitty supports and almost no interaction in the main story. because the main fucking story is 49% celica 50% alm 1% any other fucking characters.

>>384521234
>>it's fully voice acted, even for random ass NPCs
But the dub is still ridiculously cheap in comparison to the budget spent on the original audio.
Serves to show how much they care for the western markets. Even though the games sell more here.

>>384542669
FF

>shittiest maps in FE series
>IS decides to copy these maps 1:1 in the remake
You gotta wonder about the thought process of these devs

>Game was revealed in the FE Direct in February
>Didn't think too much of it, said I'll play it
>Play the game at launch
>Game is actually great
>Very impressed and surprised, especially after the pile of trash that was Awakening

How did they do it /v/? And will it continue for FE16 on the Switch? Echoes was the best accident of the entire year

>>384533882
>RPGs make up for the alright-to-mediocre gameplay with good story.
Icewind Dale
the entire Megami Tensei franchise barring Persona
Etrian Odyssey
Wizardry
Souls
Diablo
Dungeon Siege
Legend of Grimrock
Mount & Blade
System Shock

>>384542806
They're gaidenfags who genuinely liked the maps and wanted to be faithful to the original.

>>384542886
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Etrian Odyssey
Etrian Odyssey is the poster child for gameplay > all. The stories are minimalistic on purpose and only really serve as an excuse for official missions

>>384542806
>implying ISIS would waste time/resources in improving the game
The game was clearly just the fuckers at ISIS wanting to know if oldfags really buy shit and not just cry everywhere about how FE turned into waifu shit, they would obviously not waste anything in it, because it would have easily done like shit.

>>384542781
download the rom, play for a bit and check how wrong you are sir

>>384543002
yeah that's what I was saying

>>384542806
Echoes was made by Gaidenfags.

>>384542820
>Impressed by the game that inspired Awakening

U wot m8

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>>384532610

>>384543193
Your quote implied the opposite, but I guess that's my fault for not following the comment chain

>>384541205
Maybe Priam's just a fucking lair and his "Ragnell" is just a big stick he likes to throw at people

FE a shit
Advance Wars superior...but dead

>>384542735
>but atleast they are better characters
How can you even say Forsyth and Python are better characters when the entirety of their support is
>"Stop being lazy"
>"No, stop being uptight"
>"No, we are friends haha."

How the fuck is Leon any better than someone like Severa or Niles when his entire personality is "snarky and gay for Valbar."

>>384543281
Those fuckers destroyed my ass in ryoma's level, i planned to do a non-dlc run but i was too autistic to deal with them and i grinded like a retard.

>2013
>Wide-open maps, mages can solo maps, bland supports, Fire Emblem is ruined
>2017
>Wide-open maps, dread fighters can solo maps, bland supports, Fire Emblem is saved

>>384542820
>People call Awakening Gaiden 2.0 as an insult
>Literal Gaiden 2.0 comes out
>Somehow this one is good
How does it feel to be retarded

>>384543382
Maybe, but it's a fact that blessings do wear off like the Black Knight's invincibility wearing off between PoR and start of RD. So Ragnell having durability and no shockwaves is alright.

>>384543454
I didn't pay attention to severa in awakening or in fates, what the hell is her personality exactly? i always thought she was just an annoying bitch that's there to appeal to waifu fags that like that "tsundere" shit, but i dont really know.

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>>384542470
I find it the other way around. I feel like Echoes's cast is a little more memorable to me because they all actually have lives that exist outside of the main character's direct influence. One of the things that made Awakening and Fates's cast and worldbuilding so flat was that everything the player gets to see has to correlate to Chrom/Robin/Corrin in some fashion. Many of the recruited characters don't particularly have a reason for joining the army outside of simply wanting to help Chrom/Robin/Corrin with whatever it is they're doing, just because they can. There's a few instances of characters who do actually have their own motivations, but these tend to get sidelined and can only support the avatar and lose all sense of relevance after joining. One of the examples of a character who does actually have a life is Virion, but we see fuck all of that because it isn't of immediate interest to Robin or Chrom. It just gets some passing mentions in his supports and that's it. Fates has this problem in spades as anytime a cutscene happens where Corrin isn't at, the characters in it are still mostly talking specifically about Corrin to begin with. This kind of writing mindset is what's limiting the potential of a good cast because when a character's role in the setting and plot is summed up by what they do for the player, there isn't really anything else interesting they can do after they've joined up. All they're left with is a personality quirk to butt heads with the other personality quirks who don't have anything left to talk about because they've joined the player now.

On the flipside, this is also why Faye feels like such a shit character compared to everyone else. Her only trait is to obsess over Alm and it's in such stark contrast with everybody else who actually have their own reasons or backstories that led them to following along with Alm or Celica.

>>384540337
>The simplicity really increased the difficulty in some places, like the fact that most bosses like to chill on high evasion tiles and beneficial terrain is placed in such a way that enemies can actually make use of it

That's not difficulty nigger. That's tediousness. Most of the bosses are stupid anyways and will move off the terrain as soon as you get close or in their attack range.

>>384540591
It's called being a hypocritical faggot. Gaiden getting a new fresh coat of paint doesn't keep it from being shit.

>>384543683
Insecurities due to constantly being compared to her mother and failing to live up to the expectations of others.

>>384543912
I love faye design, BUT THEY FUCKING RUINED HER CHARACTER, fuck you isis, fuck you again.

>Director decided not add in stupid features like an avatar and marriage system
>Also decided to not take suggestions to improve the shit maps and boring gameplay
>Echoes sells like shit compared to Awakening and Fates
>Nintendo is probably going to force marriage and avatars into whatever they remake next to make sure it sells

Thanks ISIS

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>>384521234
Honestly I prefer shilling of the new game in favor of shilling of the old ones, especially conquest and its poor sales with that stupid version war narrative advertisers came up with

>>384542806
The director's father died and Gaiden was one of the games he played with him. That's all you need to know.

>>384542079
I can't believe they only found out how to make unbreakable weapons on the 3DS. I mean it makes sense because it's easily the most powerful console that FE has ever been on, but to handle both that and the 3d graphics seems like a lot of work. Fates really was amazing in that regard.

>>384544142
>mfw this was ISIS' master plan all along

>>384544142
Avatar isn't bad, they just need to learn how to write and have it so the player has actual choices throughout the story.

>>384544456
self inserts are always going to be bad in a series with romances and shit

>>384544456
>they just need to learn how to write and have it so the player has actual choices throughout the story.
Avatars will solely exist so that the player can marry their waifu/husbando
They'll never need to learn how to write because it doesn't matter when half the fanbase only cares about getting to marry whoever they want

>>384544631
Literally only Fates and Awakening had romances. That's two out of 15 games.

>>384544725
They still need to stop trying to mix the two together then.

>>384530825
>Got the Titania/Ike support to A in PoR
>So jazzed with RD to see how relationships develop and how this new cast is
>It's fucking nothing
Gimping support conversations the way they did in RD was a fucking crime

>>384544631
>>384544679
Not true, they could have it so the marriage is like the previous games.

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>>384544813
She never got what she wanted.
I'm still wondering what that cut Ike/Titania ending for RD would've been like.

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>>384530825
>POR/RD remake
>RD supports are still shit
I would be beyond furious

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>Mila's human form is far more interesting than other ones that we've seen from characters like Tiki and Nowi which are just knife ears.
>see her for all of 20 seconds in an unflattering cutscene

>>384545079
I still don't get why Ranulf got an ending with Ike.
I imagine that Ike's children called her Grandma and it broke her heart a little, but made her happy at the same time.

>mfw cannot understand the hate on Avatars when Micaiah and RD Ike exist and are way worse than Avatars