So, after a whole year since his release, is TW:Warhammer considered

>>384471163
Naval battles were never good and after beating a couple of them yourself, you will usually autoresolve because of nofun. Firing modes for artillery will return in WH2 with Helves and Delves siege equipment (scattershot mode and repeater options). I'm fine with sieges being less convoluted but only for minor settlements. Capitals should have unique maps, possibly with multi-staged assault. As for formations, they really fucked it up. Cavalry heavy armies are severely handicapped during sieges simply because there is no option to dismount (it would also be nice to have it for legendary lords).

Despite these flaws I still love TWW a bit more than historical titles due to a much better faction variety and fantasy setting itself. Funnily enough, total war formula works with fantasy setting much better than your average rts and there are too few games like this (Mark of Chaos and King Arthur are the only ones I'm aware of). Hope CA will be able to keep the train going after the trilogy is complete with other IPs.

>>384471163
I've got about 300 hours in, love the game and can't wait for TW:W2, lizard bros seem fun. IMO, the game got notably better and better after each DLC/FREE LC release.

It has always been considered a good game except for a few very vocal people.

>>384471163
It's good.
Most of the glaring issues have been fixed, and it's looking like SEGA is dialling back the Jewry.
Not for everyone; the overworld is simplistic and the siege battles leave something to be desired, but certainly not bad.

My main complaint st the moment is that greenskins are hideously underpowered in multi due to lack of anti large, armoured units and flying units

>>384471163
YES!

Age of Sigmar > Fantasy

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>>384471163
SUMMON

>>384474112
THE

I'm fucking shit at this game. I've been playing since Medieval 1 and I just can't wrap my head around how to make the in-game battles 'feel' like I'm doing the right thing. I usually end up doing about as poorly as an autoresolve win

I create super-heavy charge units - they get blocked by regular shit infantry. Yet the same matchups I see in webms always have those units plow through and almost 1HK the entire squad. I just don't get it. And I can't really enjoy the cinematics either because I have to play the game on slow-mo and micromanage all my units (particularly my ranged, because the enemy AI on Hard+ is bot levels of good at kiting and circling your front line to harass ranged at all times)

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>>384474413

ELECTRIC

>>384474112
No whammy, no whammy, no whammy

>>384471163
It's a decent game in it's own right, but it's mechanically lacking compared to other TW titles, especially Atilla and Shogun 2. It seemed a bit rushed with a lack of variety in the battles, mainly the sieges.

Beyond that,
>the sequel to be released barely more than a year later
The game should've had a longer development cycle, and this squeal should've been in the first game. It's a cashgrab.

>>384474752
>the sequel to be released barely more than a year later
Then again, there was only a year between Attila and Warhammer

>>384474752
More a standalone expansion than a sequel

>>384474112
Give me Counts or give me death

I AM PRINCE AND EMPEROR TIER
>Grombrindal
>Leon
>Karl
>Archaon
>Vlad
>Grimgor

SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS TIER
>Mannlet
>Kholek
>Thorgrim
>Durthu
>Khazrak
>Skarsnik

I AM FRANZ, THEY WILL OBEY TIER
>Volkmar
>Belegar
>Wurzag
>Skarnik
>Isabella
>Sigvald
>Orion
>Morghur
>The Enchantress
>Azhag

NOT LIKELY TIER
>Ungrim
>Gelt
>Helman
>Malagor
>Alberic

THIS ACTION DOES NOT HAVE MY CONSENT TIER
>Kemmler

>>384474112
rolling this thing

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What would a date with Emperor Karl Franz be like?

>>384474112
THROGG FOR EVERCHOSEN
THROGG PROMISE HUMAN WITH EVERY MEAL

>>384471163
Every new DLC and FLC makes the game even better. I only wish that there were slightly better maps, particularly towns and sieges maps. It's not that I think the sieges are "bad" like others, but there's hardly any variety. The big notable cities should be waaaay more unique.

>>384476764
Staring fixedly at that smile

>>384476764
He'd be a frigid fucking prude and wouldn't put out

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>>384476764
>>384477156

>>384474435
>They get blocked by infantry
Cavalry charges into the back of engaged units. You should have had tarpitters engaged with their anti-cavalry arms before charging

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NOR SCA!

>>384471163

Pretty sure the fans were pissed because a lot of them were fans for the historical aspect as much as the gameplay, and this will be taking up their development for the next few years.

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>>384471163

It's okay, wouldn't recommend it.

5/10

>>384477468
Which isn't even true, considering that they have two historical titles in development plus a new campaign pack for Rome II or Atilla.

>>384474435
Also, ensure you're checking the "armored/armor piercing" descriptors. Right cavalry (and archers) for the right target

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well, yeah.
playing as bretonnia/empire/any human faction is basically playing medieval 3, with some magic mods.

who /Throgg/ here?

Historycucks complaining about Warhammer and shedings rivers of tears are delicious.

Its like they can't understand that TW franchise needed a freshness and sucess allowed it to expand TW team/games even further.

>>384476764
I fucking hate that smile

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>>384471163
TW Warhammer is a fantastic game, the problem is the DLC and monetisation which they now seem to realise we don't like and are scaling back on.

Opinions are also rising again because Warhammer II looks pretty fucking fantastic - but also the fact that the team are doing something that's both awesome and not really been seen before in a game.

Basically, some time after release (a month or two I'd say), they're releasing a patch that will connect Warhammer I and Warhammer II and allow you to play a "mega campaign" across the maps and using factions and systems of both. This basically means that both games will combine into one super game, while each individually still has enough content to merit it's original price point.

They will also do the same when Warhammer III comes out (it's a trilogy supposedly).

Also Skaven? Are you trying to tell me there are humanoid rat creatures living underneath us? Don't be so stupid anon.

>>384474112
>Posting that.

I ate a 24 hour ban because i posted it in a Warhammer Total War thread :^)

>>384477850
Fuck skaven, I want Araby with flying carpets and shit

>>384474435
Use your top level infantry to engage multiple opponents, then get your remaining infantry to swing round and flank.
Keep either anti large units on stand by in case they counter flank, or have cavalry of your own tarpit/distract them.
If they have skirmish Cavalry, keep ranged units on standby to counter them. if not, use them to soften up their ranged units and send flanking cavalry round to rout them and then charge behind their lines.
Then keep your ranged units busy fending off any harassers, stopping units reforming and charging back into the fray, or even swing them round and fire into the enemy rear/flank.
Keep a dedicated fast unit to wipe out fleeing units, or have artillery making sure they don't regroup

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>>384477409

Game isn't even a full year old and it is starting to show its age. Textures look fine but the models, terrain and everything else looks very dated. What happened? Wasn't Shogun 2 a marvel of its time?

>>384477752
Definitely. Can't wait to shit on people as a fat disgusting troll.

At least until Motherfucker Malekith comes out.

>>384477826
CA has confirmed that they have at least 2 historical titles in the works. One big new title and one spinoff title that will be similar in scope to Fall of the Samurai. Historyfags have literally nothing to complain about. Not that they'll actually stop complaining though.

>>384477219
NOT LIKELY

>>384477916
Must have had his hot pockets in a twist, or you were shitposting in general, because I'ver never been banned for it.
Besides, mobile ;^)

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>>384477972
>strategy game meant to be played zoomed out with hundreds of units on screen
>individual units don't look perfect when zoomed in all the way

Gee wiz!

>>384477972
Still look better than the models in any console 3rd person action game.

>>384477150

They don't feel like cities or castles or towns. Once you get past the wall, there's no difference between any of them. Why can't your army start in one part of a full town or city map, fight the enemy army, then move up to another part of the map and fight another enemy army? Would make it feel more like you're trying to take a city.

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>>384477972
I have to say, it looks miles better compared to Atilla and the animations look smoother and less buggy.

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>>384478223

A game with a highly demanding graphical style endures the test of time better. Graphics matter a lot, even if you fool your brain into thinking they don't.

>>384474112
Rolling.

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Why is it not on consoles fucking yet?

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>>384477850

>Hyped for TW2
>Have a full time job lined up in August
>Wont have the time to enjoy TW2

Its not fair lads

>>384471163
It's good, History bitching is irrelevant as it will get it fair amount of release (Saga + a new game on a brand new era).
Fantasy and History game are quit different and there's nothing wrong with that, I enjoy both.

Though I regret that TW:W didn't get those neat visual improvement and extention once your cities develop. I enjoyed the shit out of it and it would have been awesome to see Nuln or Altdorf being gifted with new rempart or canon as the city get stronger.

>>384471163
I still say they missed a major opportunity when they chose not to call it "Total Warhammer".

>>384478941
Copyright issues

>>384478941
Blame the suits and their
>muh IP
>muh Trademarks
>muh copyriht

>>384478847
Given their new I interest in individualism in the factions, this may happen

>>384471163
My biggest complaint is everything is unlocked from the begining....

My favorite part about Medevil Total War 2 was unlocking new provinces.

This game makes me miss Medevil total war games, I liked the historical shit fighting over Europe, but warhammer is great because they can add any type of weapon / magic / invention they want.

The IP is perfect for Total War

So, removing racial mini-campaigns in exchange for more Legendary Lords, good idea or bad idea?

Personally I like it, because more diversity in the grand campaign means more to me than a couple of extraneous mini-campaigns. On the other hand, I can't help but feel that two extra LLs per faction is a lot less actual content than the mini-campiagns.

I guess it'll depend on how different the LLs will be from each other. If it's like Skarsnik vs Grimgor that'd be great, but not if it's just the same shit with a slightly different leader.

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>>384480832
Tomb Kings are probably on board for a four-lord pack, and they have good slew of options
> Settra, faction leader badass extraordinaire who is both a solid caster and lethal warrior (he decapitated Kholek in the End Times)
> Khalida, who is blessed by her snake deity and really hates vampires
> Arkhan, who works as a mercenary spellcaster and is secretly trying to return Nagash to the world
> Apophas, cursed guy who is stuck as a swarm of killer scarabs
> Sehenesmet, who is really good at building buildings and animated constructs and actually seats himself in one like some sort of mecha pilot
Etc

>>384480832
I would prefer mini-campaigns over 2 LLs but it would be a shame to not have more LLs that might never appear otherwise. I wish they did something a little different like Legendary agents though.

>>384480832
If the Norsca faction is anything to go by, the new factions will have a mini campaign in the grand one anyway

>>384471163
Hey guys do you remember this site for all the DLC for free?

https://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=67574&start=810

Well when I try to follow the guide on there, the downloads have all been removed, is there an updated version anywhere? Can't seem to find any for the liufe of me.

>>384474112
KHAZRAK ONE EYE

>>384483542
I'm reroling because I refuse to start as Kemmler or Ghorst.

>>384471163
Why are there no fucking pikes in this game?

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>tfw you perfectly counter the AI blow for blow without resorting to anti AI tactics

>>384483595

Enjoy your Tree Hitler.

>>384474112
I hope I get a meme tier lord

>>384483743
Sounds fun but I have no idea how to play welves. Tips?

>>384483743
>play as dwarfs
>by the time I've secured the badlands, Tree Hitler has exterminated everywhere up to and including the Vampires
>Chaos comes and that fucker allies with them
Pre patch Welfs were a fun bunch. They also make Irondrakes incredibly fun to use.

>>384483916

Annihilate Bretonnia.

>>384483647
because le ebin pyke and shit meme is garbage

Fuck no. Worst Total War game. Complete fucking garbage.

>>384484075
t. assmad histaboo

>>384474112
I've gotten really bored of the badlands bowl with both orcs and dorfs so rolling for something else.

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>>384484146
Got a good roll anon

>>384482572
CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT HERE PLEASE.

I don't want to have to give the Jew devs another 60 euro just to play the DLC.

How do I beat super fast kiting wood elves armies?
Playing Empire btw

>>384472674
Anon summed it up nicely. 10/10 post

>>384484279
more siege weapons

>>384478819
full time jobs still leave plenty of time in the evenings

>>384484279
Ignore the temptation for Greatswords and Halberdies.
Go for Basic Swordsmen and shielded Spearmen, maybe some fanatics if you want to human shield your artillery and/or force any one ranged unit to constantly be retreating.
Use Rocket batteries, Mortars and volley guns, with crossbowmen to punish their skirmish calavry.

Prepare for a royal pain in the ass as the AI micromanages it all perfectly.

>>384474112
Give me THE TRUE VON CARSTEIN.

Skarsnik is fine too.

>>384484437
that's pasta

>>384484232
You can still give them only 9€ and preorder just the DLC on steam.

>>384474112
better get me a dwarf

>>384484660
Fuck. Fine, I'll be the fruity elven mortis engine.

>>384483916
Just go for the full treeman army and don't bother with the pointy-ears who don't belong in the forest anyway.

>>384484716
What? I am talking about getting all the current DLC for the first game for free, that link I posted had a guide on how to do it with all the downloads and shit, I never got around to doing it. Tried it now and all the downloads have been removed and I am looking if anyone has an updated link with a new guide for all the DLC for the original game for free.

>>384484927
>trusting russians ever

If you not russian consider this a lesson, if you are russian you should know better.

It's amazing how much anal devastation one Hellstorm rocket battery can cause.

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>>384477409
Bring us the Lord of the End Times

>>384471163
I got this game during the launch, but I haven't touch it since. What should I expect if I am go for it now?

Is it more like a strategy game or RTS game? I heard the game is like a bit of both, so I am quite confuse here.

>inb4 why did you buy a game you don't play.

>>384485067
What the fuck are you even talking about?

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>>384471163
I think it's the best game in the series, because it has the best battles and, despite what wannabe grand strategy shitters might tell you, battles were always the primary gameplay element of TW games. Some might argue that sieges are now shittier than ever, but I would say that sieges have always been easy mode shit in all TW games, but at least in TWWH you need to use your fucking brain for once when assaulting high level castle walls due to how castle tower artillery works now.

My only real problem with the game is that it's borderline unplayable without a SSD due to the load times, which is the reason why I stopped playing it until I get a SSD.

>>384476093
Switch the spots of Kholek and the Everdork, and the list is good

>Playing Empire at launch
>Easy as fuck, no discernible difficulty
>Try Empire now
>Every turn is a struggle, constant broke or open anus for invasions
>Defend the east flank, orcs come from the west, defend east, skarsfaggot comes, defend south and you'll get the middlanderfags. North and beastmen suddenly appear, along with elves
What the fuck happened? Empire is hard mode now. I've had no issues with VC's, elves, dwarves or beastmen, but empire? Can't last 20 turns before it all falls apart and the decend to ruin starts. Tried playing defensivly, agressivly, mix, keep low size armies, raiding and pillaging. But no matter what expanding feels impossible.
I love it

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>>384485120
>CA gave him a war chariot as a starting mount
>Next expansion will probably see legions of mammoths on top of them

>>384474112
Rolling.

>>384474112
rwaling

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>>384474112

Ah, what the hell.

Vampires used to be so much fun, but then the faggots had to ruin it by separating Vlad and Manfred, while making confederation basically impossible between them, playing either of them.

>>384485258
More roving hordes really shook things up.
Makes having tier 2 walls mandatory for all towns, unless you want some asshole beastman to zero in on it from half the map away.

>>384485170
You linked to a russian site telling you how to get new stuff and I'm telling you to not fucking trust the russians.

>>384474112
I HAVE THE NEED TO S C H E M E

Total War:40k when?

>>384477409
The hell is that? A mod? Or that never-comming FDLC?

>>384485276
>Gave him a starting chariot mount
>Introduced 2 types of ranged chariots into the Norscan roster, one of which dramatically slows units down

This is the darkest age

I bought it several weeks ago on a steam sale, and I am enjoying it. I also installed the Steel Faith overhaul mod, which adds units and changes/fixes. Some of the changes are great, whereas others can ruin the difficulty (the rebalanced late game Bretonnia flyers straight up murdered Archaon).

My recent Bretonnia campaign was a blast with fragile peasants holding the line and constant cavalry charges. I am not certain which campaign to start next.

>>384485538
New upcoming faction DLC for TW:W.

If you pre-order TW:W2 you get it for free.

>>384477409

So what do we know about Norsca as far as their potential pros & cons?

Seems like it's a skirmisher focused army that focuses on weakening enemy infantry with harassment and status effects before your monstrous units clean them up.

Looks like they shouldn't have a problem with any army that's high in monsters or low leadership, and with so much skirmishers and light cav/flanking units, they should be ok against most archers and artillery if you play smart.

But how are you supposed to deal with enemy air or top tier armored/hih leadership infantry? Seems like another race for dorfs to curb stomp

>>384485451
That was the one site everyone who wanted the DLC free used, there used to be lots of threads about it here and it worked no problem.

>I'm telling you to not fucking trust the russians
Ok CNN Whatever! You're FAKE NEWS! Sad!

>>384485381
Bribery is the only way I've found for confederating with asshole states.
Bribe your way to a defensive alliance, then start relentlessly bullying the nation on their shit list until they like you.

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No comment needed.

Any tips for Skarsnik? He seems fun, but holy shit I get curb stomped near the start like, 99% of the time.

>>384485441
Yeah, that's another thing i dislike now. The AI seems to have a really fucking personal vendetta against Players and will literally traverse the entire map just to kick your single army's ass while leaving themselves entirely open for mass rape by others. I tried beastmen once, right after the Welf launch. Now i spit on every tree i walk past.

>>384477409
The price tags they're putting on these DLCs is ridiculous but I love how fleshed out the world is getting compared to how it was when the game was released.

The variety of enemies you run in to is great, one moment you're fighting human armies to undead armies that work completely differently to hordes of goblins to chaos raiders. the norsca tribes being fleshed out to a credible force that actually threatens the southan lands with more than just horse cav will make the threat of chaos feel much more present late game.

But, I wish they would fix all the shit people have been complaining about.
>Spells feel like they have no impact
>AI is still retarded and "good" races don't defend their territory/allies
>Wood elves gone from turbo hitlers to massive pussies that never get in to fights
>chaos invasion not threatening, still mostly fizzles out after kislev

>>384485803
Kick some weaker neighbours in and get some Waaghs going.

Was I the only guy to use the mod that turns off the Chaos fags? They come in way too early and are completely OP and just ruin your campaign, once turned off it is so much more fun.

>>384485731
So what's the low down on the chariots?

Gorebeast chariots always looked better on paper but are they actually worse?

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What are the odds of getting Thanquol as the Skaven spellcaster in TW:W2?

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Buy the base game, pirate the DLC.

>>384485643
My first impression: Lots of low armor units, medium/low leadership on average, not many mid-tier units, it's mostly low-tier stuff or bigass monsters. Their rage/berserk mechanics give them an advantage in long, drag-out battles, but their lack of armor and low-ish leadership makes them want to stay out of a protracted melee engagement.

I think it'll come down to having cheap disposable shit holding the lines, while your heavy hitting monstrous units and fast flanking units do the real work. That mammoth shrine thing for added leadership will be useful to keep your cheap lines from crumbling too fast.

>>384474112
rollin on a river

>>384486036
Chariots aren't really effective than proper infantry units, but if the enemy fields them, especially in large numbers, they're a total fucking bitch to fight against and you will ALWAYS suffer significant infantry losses due to how powerful their charge is. Chariots are literally the most annoying units to fight against, more annoying than ranged cavalry.

>Norsca
>Literally Chaos/beastmen playstyle with pillage and raze
Interest lost. They really aren't creative with hordes, are they?

>>384486045
You got a link for the DLC? I am>>384482572
and it does not work anymore.

>>384485803
Like >>384485958 said, play it like orcs and raid and raid some more.

>>384486191
>Chariots aren't really effective than proper infantry units
*aren't really more effective

>>384472674
Battles aren't really fun ... more tedious, since you basically implement the same strategy for every fight and auto-resolve typically yields a desirable outcome, so it feels like a waste of time ... this ruins the game in my opinion

>>384485803
Immediately raise an extra army of nasty skulkers and besiege the Dwarf main settlement.
Then get Skarsnik a full gobbo stack and go round sacking/raiding the shit out of the Empire Secessionists for easy money. This should offset the upkeep you'll have, and give you enough cash to instantly upgrade whatever you need
It gives the added bonus of more leeway with the empire before they inevitably start trying to fuck you.

After you've done that, if the dwarfs haven't starved yet, get Skarsnik to reinforce the besieging army and win.
Once you've secured the privince, you'll usually be able to repel Belegar's first Doomstack that comes around turn 30, and then be able to launch a counter attack on his province.

After you wipe out Belegar, you're pretty much set for the campaign

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>>384476764
>What would a date with Emperor Karl Franz be like?
Some good play in the Altdorf theater

>>384486202
They're not actually hordes, but they can only build true settlements in other faction capitals.

>>384486191
I get their thing is charging but just looking at their stats gorebeats look like good fighters, should I just give up on them and cycle charge with horse chariots?

>>384486202
>Norsca
>hordes
Wut? Norsca have regular cities in the grand campaign.

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>>384485556
>mfw they get Mammoth chariots

>>384486385
I'm sorry, I personally never use chariots, I just hate fighting them, so I can't really help you with advice.

>>384486428
>>384486361
My bad, i was reading
>A Norscan campaign is one of relentless pillage and ruination. Their principle sources of income are raiding and sacking. This lends itself to a very mobile and combative playstyle – always keeping your armies on the move and often in contention with other factions. Razing settlements enables you to erect monoliths to the dark gods of Norsca… and the gods always reward the faithful!
And instantly thought of Beast/chaos

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>>384486454
>mammoth chariots that have chaos giants driving them

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>>384486297
>since you basically implement the same strategy for every fight and auto-resolve typically yields a desirable outcome

Spoken like someone who never played on hard. Stop being a pussy and then maybe you will have to use strategy.

>implying you don't see better results using different armies to fight different factions.

>>384471163
My opinion is that it's too fast paced, and it relies too much on abilities/heroes
I'm not into WarHammer, I just wanted to play Total War with Orcs and elves, I don't want to play some faggy moba

>>384474112
Okay, gib me dat amazing accent

>>384471163
I actually found it a little too easy and after you take over 2 or so provinces with any race its a steam roll after that. I really like pretty much everything about it.

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>>384486797
>some faggy moba

I mean I know historyfags are still butthurt over Warhammer, but come on man.

>>384484075
Shit opinion

>>384487092
I don't even care about history, I just think the game is too fast paced

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>>384485665
Would you seriously trust some random ru site people linked on /v/ that requires you to download a bunch of shit? I bet you'd just run any old exe I linked you as long as I promised you'd get TW DLC for free.

If you don't want to pay for the DLC then just pirate it you human didgeridoo. Shit's been cracked for a while now.

>>384474112
Gonna have to update that with Norsca coming out soon

From the Norsca FAQ on Reddit:

> Will it come with Free-LC?

> Yes. All owners of Total War: WARHAMMER, regardless of whether they own the DLC, will have that race appear/update in the game and will be given new challenges to deal with in their campaigns. We are also releasing Free-LC alongside Norsca as well, stay tuned for more info shortly.

> Free LC? Interesting.. is that apart of the old friend?

> Not part of the old friend

So we're getting an otherwise unannounced FLC for TW:W1. What's it gonna be?

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>>384486847
Holy shit, thank you lord Kroak.

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>>384486204
Best to go download a torrent that comes with both TW and the DLC and just unmark the full game.

>>384487207
>muh boogeyman
>If you don't want to pay for the DLC then just pirate it you human didgeridoo. Shit's been cracked for a while now.

You really are retarded aren't you? This was one of the popular sites to pirate the DLC from, but it got shutdown over some copyright shit. I have been asking for an updated link to pirate the DLC, get some reading comprehension Jesus

>>384471163
IT IS CRACKED.

MAKE SURE TO PIRATE IT AND NOT ACCIDENTALLY BUY IT.

>>384487336
They said it's new stuff for all existing races, and one particular quote was that the Wood Elves were getting a "few new toys". Take that as you will.

Popular guesses are new heroes, units, and RoR for factions

>>384487012
This is true. In Shogun 2, I always felt like I was in an uphill battle against larger factions even on medium. In this, all difficulties boil down to just "wait until the right moment to take over a few neighbors, then curbstomp everyone. Weather the storm of Chaos, and then continue curbstomping" -- difficulties only managing WHEN you can start curbstomping your closest neighbor

Although, before The Patch, you would throw in an old "OH FUCK, ELVES!" gameover here and there.

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I just want Chaos to get Regiments of Renown, even though I know jack shit about the lore and have no clue what those might be. Also, Sigvald needs his personal Mirror Guard unit with those mirror shields so that he can properly admire himself in battle, maybe CA would be able to come up with some mechanic for the unit as well, mirroring their function in the lore.

>>384487547
If it was RoR for the races that don't already have them that would be great, but given the size of previous FLCs I doubt we'd get that much.

>>384471163
TWWH is worst total war in series. It feels like poors man total war. They are basically selling a warhammer mod while removing all the gameplay from previous series. Now that they know that retards liked it, they are selling literally the same fucking mod as the next game. With zero new gameplay features. CA went full jew.

>>384488114
What gameplay in previous Total War games do you feel is missing from Warhammer?

>>384488114
>removing all the gameplay from previous series
That's why the battles are the best they've ever been and TWWH multiplayer is packed to the fucking gills because of how amazingly fun skirmish is? Neck yourself.

>>384488114
Post time played

>>384488114
Butthurt historyfag detected.

Go masturbate over that broken mess Medieval 2 some more.

>>384478819
Don't worry man. Weekends and late night sessions will keep you alive.

t. family man with full time job.

>>384487195
Yes, it was intentionally dumbed down in all the ways possible. Units run faster, no formations or abilities to control. Moba-friendly heroes with lot's of hp and abilities. It has some nice points like air units and magic, but it's still feels cheap.

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>>384488563
fuck off

>>384488324
>before crack
>b-but you haven't bought it!
>after crack
>b-but you haven't played it enough!
Jesus, wh fanboys are the worst.

>>384474112
Gimme Archaon

I think it's fantastic. They do need to work on siege battles though. Most people complaining are just poor and don't want to pay for actually really high quality DLC

>>384488563
>late night sessions
>not getting 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep

Enjoy your bad moods and reduced productivity.

>>384474112
VOTE FOR THROGG IS VOTE FOR THROGG

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>>384487520
Try google you fucking spoonfed baby. The whole thing's on TPB. There's also fit-girl if you want a smaller sized repack.

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>>384488869
Props to you for so generously conceding you have no leg to stand on and that everyone should ignore you

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>>384474112

ON ME, MEN!

>>384471163
great game, beyond shit DLC practice

>>384489018
Nice ad hominem, retard. If I had 9999 hours in game and still trashing it you would say the same. You don't need to spend thousands of hours to see if it's shit, fagtron. Truth hurts, I know, so go on and run back to your mummy.

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>>384489483
You don't need to spend thousands of hours of time.
Just some time.
So let's see it.
You DID play it, right?

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>>384487835
This. My biggest hope is that the Norsca DLC will save Chaos warriors. They're missing a good chunk of units from the army book (Slaughterbrutes, Mutaliths, God-specific marked units, etc.) Chaos has the most variety out of any of the armies, but CA half assed it. Their units are too expensive and not cost effective against other units of the same tier (looking at you, Chaos knights) and they don't replenish for shit. At least Beastmen have that supermoon every few turns. Hopefully they can reskin a few units and give those to CW.

I want a patch, at the very least.

>>384487835
Mirror shields are sort of a weakness to him. In battle, if he sees his reflection from an enemy's shield, he will stop fighting and will start admiring himself.

>>384489621
>that fucking argument again
Holy shit, you are really dense.
Yes I did play the pirated version and it sucks so much I want a refund for my wasted time. Now kill yourself, retard.

Is Total Warhammer 3 going to be The End Times?

>>384489779
Speculation is that the third game will be completely focused on Chaos, that might be why they have been pulling punches so far.

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>>384489779
Age of Reckoning Warhammer was like the He-Man of the Warhammer brand. Every single mother fucker was some jacked up super being, it was awesome.

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>>384490089
>I'm giving the most vague shitposting as my only argument, but I-I played it!
>Honest!
Go cry in a corner with the rest of the historyfags.
Or don't, the thread could use your spastic REEEEEEing as entertainment.

Apparently Krell is coming

https://steamdb.info/app/364360/dlc/

Skelly Chaos confirmed!

Age of Sigmar > Fantasy

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>>384490502
Damn, Really want Gotrek and Felix, but this is pretty bad ass as well

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>>384490248
I've heard that, but that probably won't come out until summer of next year, at best. That's a while to wait for THE MAIN ANTAGONIST faction to become playable. I'm not holding out hope for any God-related units until then, but as I said, a patch at least would be nice.

>>384490360
>ad hominem again
Nice arguments, retard. Thanks for showing how dump you are twice in a row.
This game in fact is the worst TW in terms of gameplay and I'm not even a history fag. And the massive amount of mods that attempt to fix this horribly broken dumbed down gameplay prove it.

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>>384489779
I've never played MP, but the Chaos grand campaign is literally easy mode.

>Sigvald is literally the single most powerful siege-breaker lord, since he can climb castle walls and fight there, using his duelist ability to the max by engaging small numbers of units at the same time that he rapidly obliterates; he can literally win the entire siege alone unless some handgunners shoot him from the walls
>Hellcannons, no explanation needed
>Chaos has the best infantry in the game bar none, the Chosen obliterate anything when two infantry lines clash
>chaos knights are so good against non anti-cavalry infantry units, that they don't even need cycle charge or charge from the back, you just send them into the meatgrinder and they will emerge victorious with almost no casualties even against shit like greatswords

The key to having fun with Chaos is fielding an infantry focused army with some heavy Hellcannon artillery support, then pretty much nothing can break your infantry lines and your artillery will obliterate masses or archers with ease. You don't even need any giant units to be effective, you just need to work out proper infantry tactics.

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>>384490519

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>>384490840
>Look guys, these incredibly vague statements totally prove I played it!
>A-ad hominem! I may not know the difference between an ad hominem and an insult, but that's not going to stop me!
Keep going, this is gold

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>>384490840

>worst TW in terms of gameplay

how

>>384471163
This game was supposed to save TW after the RTW2 fiasco, but it killed all hope in TW instead.

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>>384491350
>but it killed all hope in TW instead.
Uh huh.

>>384471163
It's a solid 7/10, but people claiming this was the best TW were just delusional Warhammer fags.

>>384491658
>Attila all-time peak
Why's it so low? Low amounts of hype compared to Rome2?

>>384491198
Compare literally anything to the previous games in series and see. The worst sieges that always look the same, the most dumbed down combat, no naval stuff at all, even management on the strategic map was dumbed down. TW had a lot of similar problems before, but this time they just went full retard. Do you really need to ask why people hated it?

>>384491773

Bad taste in people's mouth from Rome 2. Rome 2 came awfully close to killing Total War forever for me.

>>384491773
Rome 2 killed all hype for future TW games, which is a shame, since Attila is a really good game. TWWH, though, restored hope in the franchise.

>>384491773
Rome 2's awful launch did serious damage to the franchise, and Atilla had fuck all marketing to boot.
It took Atilla being surprisingly good and TWH to make people believe CA can be good again

>>384474112
Roll the bones

>>384491658
Yes, exactly. If this piece of garbage was selling so well now there won't be any need to fix gameplay or add something new. Now look at the second WH game they are making, which is literally a fucking dlc with no fixes or new stuff and they are selling it as a full new game. TW is dead because casuals are not interested in good strategy games.

>>384492225
Do you have to train for these mental gymnastics?

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Do Chaos knights have armor-piercing lances now? Last time I played I remember them having ridiculously high attack, defense and charge bonus stats, but they were ultimately not so good overall, because their swords and shields lacked armor-piercing capabilities and made them vulnerable to cavalry with armor-piercing weapons, like Blood Knights with lances. I was really mad at the time such an aesthetically amazing unit got shat on gameplay mechanics wise, did CA fix this shit?

>>384492372
>dota 2 is the best game ever because it's so popularxDDD
t. you

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>>384492451
The (you) wells running dry in other threads, I take it?

>>384492372
He gets personal tutoring from /pol/'s Obamaleaf.

>>384492576
>game is casual garbage
>lot's of retards buy it
>CA starts to make games for retards instead of strategy fans
What about this is hard to understand? You are on the different spectrum or something?

>>384474112
Saving it for the next time i pirate it

I love the game but I'm kind of let down by the lack of mod armies. We have an at-least-they-tried Chaos Dwarves mod but I was expecting all out craziness.

>Fantasytards still cling on their dead setting
>surrounded by /v/ newfags who believe that Fantasy is Warcraft lite
>and how only capeshit heroes matter than your own army
What a pathetic end.

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>>384492819
>>game is casual garbage
Overworld is simplified for better Battles and a far better roster than reskinned romans, greeks and barbarians.
Sieges took a hit, it's true, but on the flip side now casuals have to risk losing men without artillery cheesing.

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>tfw you thought 19 chariots was the worst it could get

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>>384493026
THIS POST DOES NOT HAVE MY CONSENT

>>384492819
>game is casual garbage
You keep saying this like it's a fact. Reality check: it's your subjective, shit, irrelevant opinion nobody gives two fucks about. Have fun shaking your fist at the best game in the franchise (at least when it comes to battles) in a fit of impotent rage while thousands of people enjoy it every day, more so than any other TW game at the moment.

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>>384477826
>Tear wonderful community in half
>Flood community with zealous idiots that have no idea how an actual battle works
>Games workshop shills scream and fling shit when you tell them their lore is fucking garbage

Thanks for ruining my game you fucking neckbeard cunts. I swear next time im out in Manchester imma fucking light up every games workshop I see out of spite. I hate you all so much.

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>that guy desperately farming for (you)s who doesn't realise it's blatantly obvious he's samefagging
I pity the poor bastards actually taking the bait

>>384493082
Mortars have no armor piercing capabilities, the Chosen can literally bathe in shrapnel with their 130 or so armor.

>>384490909
only happens on normal, my casual friend. in very hard difficulty your infantry of any kind will get rekt by marauders/swordsmen/basic tier trash unless you have upgraded them with tech/lord

>>384493082
It's surpsingly fun to have an all Rocket battery army. Especially against undead.

>>384493150
>subjective, shit, irrelevant opinion
>gives 10 replies
More like you are a butthurt fanboy unable to bear the truth. It's not like I'm the only one with this opinion and it's not like people were not trying to fix this garbage with mods since day one.

>>384493301
Why the fuck would you play on anything above normal when the AI units get ridiculous stats bonuses and even a basic unit of empire spearmen can hang in there against the best infantry in the game?

If I wanted challenge, I would play multiplayer, since it preserves the game's balance. Higher difficulties just destroy any immersion the game has to offer, since you have to jump through retarded, illogical loops just to win against trash.

>>384493213
This brings up an interesting point, who do you all think is more pathetic, Total War purists, or Warhammer fanboys?

Here's a strawpoll, cast your votes:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13479490

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>>384493690
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13479490

Just because your games suck dick doesnt mean you gotta steal ours

Get that games workshop cuckstamp and fuck off somewhere else

>>384493393
The fact that you got told 10 times that you're retarded does not turn your irrelevant opinion into anything more than a shit opinion. The fact that you're trying to use the popularity "argument" while being in the absolute minority is also hilarious, it really highlights just how fucking deluded you are.

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>One year of Total Warhammer
>Still full price
>PREORDER 2 FOR THE NORSCA
>Norsca $8.99 DLC
>Wood Elves $18.99 DLC
>etc

Yeah sign me up for more sequels so I can buy more DLC

>>384494102
Norsca is free >>384487336, at least get your facts straight before you start shitposting.

>>384494102
>he didn't get the humble bundle pack

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>>384494102
This.

Games workshop fags have always been ok with being fucked for their money and now they make it our problem too. I get that its been around for a while but it doesnt help when you make it worse.

>>384493943
>it's irrelevant I swear!
>you haven't even bought it!
>you haven't even played it!
Yeah, you sure showed me, with your absolutely unbiased """arguments""", fuccboi.

>>384494241
http://store.steampowered.com/app/455040/Total_War_WARHAMMER__Norsca/

It's $10, at least get your facts straight before you start counter-shitposting.

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>Wulfrik the Wanderer
>Throgg the Troll King

I would be mad if they hadn't added my two favorite Chaos Lords.

>>384474112
First role in a while, give me something that's not Skarsnik.

>>384494261
I don't need to show you anything apart from >>384491658. If you claim that your historical games are so much better, why don't you go and actually fucking play them instead of whining how bad TWWH is? Because those player numbers look like shit with TWWH having more players than Rome 2 and Attila combined.

>>384493871
Don't just reee like that frog posting trash you are, vote in that poll nigga.

Unless you already did, in which case it looks like you history fags are getting your prissy little asses whooped so far

>>384494253
I too remember the days of Free DLC like Greek Cities.
Pissed me off having to pay for Grombrindal, Isabella, Wurzag and Brettonnia

>>384477523
>only 81 achievements

nigger what the fuck do you just constantly restart campaigns or something?

>>384493213
>I swear next time im out in Manchester imma fucking light up every games workshop I see out of spite.

You'd be doing them a favor

>>384494542
Further proving the fact that the community has been flooded by degenerates.

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>>384474112
KARL FRANZ

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Rank the following LLs in terms of best to worst

Helman Ghorst, Heinrich Kemmlr, Balthasar Gelt, Volkmar the Grim.

I am trying to pick a campaign to start next and I heard these lords were pretty meh

best part of jews workshop is how they put the new races into the game for free but just stop you from playing them unless you pay, that's nice

>>384494796
>win vote
"See, clearly I was right all along and everyone else agrees"
>lose vote
"See, clearly I was right all along and everyone else is stupid"

You don't deserve democracy

>>384471163

It's GOAT. Literally GOAT. 400 hours in it and no sign of stopping.

>>384494836
I personally really enjoy Balthasar Gelt but just like any wizard he's like a wet paper bag if any competent melee heroes get on him.

>>384494940
They put them into the game so that you can see how they perform and decide whether they're worth the money, dumbfuck. You're not entitled to any free shit made post launch, and if you don't want to play those races, just don't buy them.

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>>384494949
True, I would prefer it otherwise.

>>384494836
Volkmar >>>>> Gelt > Ghorst >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kemmler.

Volkmar is pretty powerful when you give him a few levels.
I'd go Gelt or Ghorst for a challenge campaign. They're sub optimal, but still useful. Gelt is probably the stronger of the two, since he gets better starting units, items and a pegasus, as well as getting a lore unique in the Empire. Ghorst's main strength is being able to summon Grave Guard instead of Zombies.

Kemmler is simply the worst hero in the game by a long shot. They dropped the ball badly with him, and caster heroes in general on launch

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>>384477409
TSUUUU! or whatever noise they make when you select a bunch of marauders

>>384495091
I'm mad that they're in the game, not that I can't play them without paying. How do I correct this problem?

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>>384494241
>get your facts straight before you start shitposting.

>>384494836
Volkmar can lay down the smackdown and has some good bound spells
Ghorst is at least decent on the campaign but bad in multiplayer
Gelt is decent, better skillwise and starting units when compared to Ghorst but worse campaign effects
Kemmler is bad, no point in picking him even over a Master Necromancer, at least one is cheap suckage

>>384495312
>I'm mad that they're in the game
So you're basically complaining that the game has too much content?

>How do I correct this problem?
By walking through a window, preferably on the 9th floor.

>>384494357
Norsca is a pre-order bonus for WH2

It's "free"

>>384495432
it unbalances the base game in a way you cannot take advantage of without paying an addition 20% of base cost. For example Mordheim bringing in the undead so now every unit has to make terror saves each turn while trying to kill heroes. it is fucking up the base game as an advertisement to get some more money out of you, not as some benevolent demo.

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SPOILERS:

The "Old Friend" FLC is exactly what everyone always suspected it would be.

>>384474112
Rolls for the rolls throne

Please not painting minis, I'm too poor to buy them right now

>>384496009
>it unbalances the base game in a way you cannot take advantage of without paying an addition 20%
Bullshit, because none of the DLC factions are overpowered. The Empire is still the most powerful faction in MP, because they can counterpick anyone and Vampire Counts are the second strongest faction due to how powerful some of their spells are. Your Mordheim example is also retarded, because, even though the Undead have an amazing Leader, all of their other units are sub-par, especially their henchmen that are complete and utter fucking trash and the Undead Leader is countered by pumping leadership on your melee units.

>>384496106
>Legendary Heroes
I can fap to this

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>>384496106

>>384474112
pls nothing too shit

>>384474112
Kek bless me with with your digits!

>>384474112
reroll because fuck durthu finished his campaign twice , playing on 2nd harderst.

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>>384474112
Rollin'

>>384474642
>HAVE MY ELECTOR COUNTS FRANZ THEY'RE YOURS

>>384475084
And? there was like 4 years after Rome 2

>>384472674

>leave master and commander running in the background as you full broadside some bongs
>all this shit happening while HMS victory song from the Napoleon soundtrack plays

https://youtu.be/RDELMOBZP9s

I only have empire and nap installed just for naval battles nowadays

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>>384496106
>"I know I'm bad but I feel good"

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>>384497845
Forgot this

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>Wulfrik and Throgg
>Krell incoming

I'm happy to be in this timeline.

>>384497863
Is that the guy who got his skelly head pulverized by Sigvald's pretty bare hands? LMAO.

TZEENTCH'S MANY GLORIES

>>384471163
I love TW:WH and have been playing since the first Rome.

I actually love all Total War games, even Empire which most people consider the worst.

>>384496106
they sure love their vampire counts

>>384497810
>4 years
More like 2

>>384498094
He took on Gotrek and fought him to a stalemate.
End times fluff means shit compared to that

>>384495312
you can save up and then pay for all the tww2 it will probably costs as much as 1 in dlc before the merge mode is done

So what's the cheapest way to buy TWWH2 if I'm planning on getting all the DLCs for the first and second game? Do I wait till it goes on sale on G2A? Do I preorder it to get the Norsca DLC?

>inb4 pirate
I'm not cucking myself out of the multiplayer.

>>384500034
Wait 2 years and buy it during a steam sale for 10 bucks

>>384498094
You don't mess with a pretty boy's face.

>>384496106
>all this secrecy and special treatment
>all these delays
>for just a hero unit that was everyone's first guess

At least it's free but jesus fuck.

>Devs accidentally make Durthu a psycopathic genocide machine
>Instead of pulling a Ghandi and just accepting this development, they patch him into cranky old tree sitting around in his woods

Fucking lame.

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>>384493690
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13479490
Historical purists by far. Fanboys can be annoying but the purists come such a NO FUN ALLOWED angle I can't help but get annoyed whenever they start posting.

>>384503118
Honestly by now it's turned around so much I feel there are more people complaining about historyfags than actual historyfags.

>>384503723
The assblasted historyfag that was samefagging earlier is proof that they still hold the top spot for shitposting

>>384485665
God damnit pol get outta here

>>384491773
I followed TW pretty closely until Rome 2 was such a failure I abandoned the series. I honestly believed Attila was just more DLC for Rome 2. Only after Warhammer came out I realised it was a separate game.

It's a pretty common misconception which you can put down to bad marketing. Also that the Huns are not an interesting setting for most people.

>>384497845
>not playing as the Bongs and becoming undisputed master of all seven seas

But why?

I've been playing TW since medieval 1, so I'm not a true OG but I've been around for a while. I really like TWW and I don't understand the butthurt because they've confirmed they're working on another historical title.

>>384497209
>release boris
reminder that empire still has 1 starting position

>>384507717
Countess of Nuln and Boris fucking when?!?!

>>384497863
>>384498082
So Kemmler will stop saying "WHERE IS KRELL!?"?

Probably will still be saying it even after the whole Chaos Tomb Blade Quest.

>>384507876
>Countess of Nuln
>Not Elspeth von Draken and her Carmine Dragon that hits like a cannon

>>384508247
That is the countess of Nuln.
Or lady of Nuln, can't remember which.

>>384485237
>despite what wannabe grand strategy shitters might tell you, battles were always the primary gameplay element of TW games.
not an argument
why have an overworld presence at all if it's going to be shit
if you say "context for battles", this also works with only text

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Dwarven """"men""""

>>384508432
Not him but my stance with TW is if you're not playing the battle why are you playing TW? Other games do the grand strategy thing way better, but TW is unique for the battle system.

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>>384507508
Many people who play video games are children or manchildren. They want instant gratification and when they see other children having fun while they themselves can't, they become nasty little shits. Like the black little girl in this webm.

I hope you understand now.

>>384474112
I can't play most of these races but what the hell. rollan

>>384508361
No. She's the Magistrix of The Amethyst College of Wizards. Literally Lore of Death incarnate to the point she can be harmed by Light Magic.

The Countess's name is Emanuelle.

>>384508594
Did you use the old tactic of hiding your entire army but one unit, with a wolf rider at the other side of the map to draw half their army away?

>>384474112
reroll. i don't paint anything but the toilet bowl

>>384508735
I mean the only reason to play is for the battles, yes. Autoresolving more than 1% of the battles is just ruining the experience for you.

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>>384508901
>rerolling

>>384474112
Zog it, gonna poast in dis bred.

>>384508868
Sort of.

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>>384474112
Green is best.

>>384509089
Put as much in your book as you want. I've never seen the dwarves accomplish anything but killing some greenskins and who cares if animals kill each other off.

>>384509308
Then why is your armor mostly gray

>>384474112
fbzgrgg

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>>384508019
15 decades in MSPaint

>>384509196
>IN
>THE
>BOOK

>>384485643
Unit roster is already out. All of their infantry has "rage" as trait which increases leadership, melee attack, and weapon strength in 3 stages the longer they're in combat. Given the nature of the various monsters (INCLUDING FUCKING FIMIR) the dorfs aren't actually going to be able to stomp them.
>>384485643
>Seems like another race for dorfs to curb stomp
Who the actual fuck could the dorfs stomp before? Dorfs, next to chaos, are the weakest race.

>>384510603
Nah, Dorfs used to be the worst, but they have been mid-tier for a while now.

Chaos and Beastmen are the weakest.

>>384494102
>>384494253
Warhammer was on sale for 20 bucks during the Steam summer sale. I got it and all dlc for 60 bucks total.

It was also on sale a week or so ago for the same price on the Humble Store.

>>384474112
Rollan'

>>384481639
Settra and Khalida are shoe-ins with likely Nagash and Arkhan set up against them under a different Tomb Kings sub-faction since TW:W is technically End Times.

>>384510904
THE

NATION

CALLS

>AI Empire never confederate the whole Empire
>AI Empire gets fucked by each other, Vamps, Norsca/Skaeling/Varg and later Chaos
The Empire need a secondary faction with a new roster of units because they get swept so easily if your not playing them. Middenland or Kislev just to slow down the northerns

>>384510970
>TW:W is technically End Times.
It's more like Storm of Chaos, isn't it?

Sure, most of that was eventually retconned into End Times, but still.

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>tfw saving the world as Khazrak

>>384511248
Its basically WHFB: Allstars

>>384471163
Sounds about right. Still very enjoyable but some of the little things are missing, mods can fix some of it but not all. Personally I would tie it with shogun2 just because I have always been a fantasy setting lover and just the fact I can have a army of monsters running over humans is kinda great.

>>384511369
>I'LL BE THE ONE TO RAPE THE WORLD AND OFFER IT IN SACRIFICE TO THE CHAOS GODS, AND NOBODY ELSE!

>>384510970
I think Nagash will lead the late game threat of the third game, like how Archaon does for the first. I really doubt they'd just squander such an important and extremely powerful character.

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>>384510197
You did good, anon

>>384477409
>Fucking Fimir
I am at maximum erect

>>384511369
damn dragon ogres are so cool its not fair only chaos has them

>>384511369
>banners not assigned

Get it together, goat boy.

Which one of the factions can run mostly or pure elite unit/large monster armies?
I hate having to mix elite and lower tier units in games like these.

>>384510603
Gyrocopters and Irondrakes got a major buff, alongside Chickens getting a slight nerf, which got them into the upper/mid tier.
They currently lose to Empire and Vampires, but can reliably beat everything else

>>384476093
>Sigvald not in his own tier
What are you gay?

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>>384511812
Chaos are the current Elite/Monster army
They're shit. Both in MP and Campaign

>>384511783
It's such a warhammer thing to do. Centaurs eh, humans and horses. Well how about ogres and dragons and fuck you.

>>384511812
Chaos and Vamps.

>>384511583
Third game's release is going to be dedicated to Chaos with possibly individual armies of demons and marked warriors for each god with primary DLC races being C. Dorfs and Ogres.
>>384511827
I don't know, i get diddled in the mind game with chaos at least where they can bring either marauders or warriors with great weapons so I get a 50/50 of fucking myself at army selection.

>>384511812
vampires

Zombos are basically meatshields
High tier monsters are pretty great too