Which of these divisive games is superior?

3rd strikes parry system makes it more worse and more braindead than SFV.

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3s. There's simply more to do/practice.

Maybe when SSFV hits and there's multiple-v triggers and some other sort of cancel it'll be better.

*raises paw*

Um... is it third strike?

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>>384405835

>>384405907
>more worse
This is the average IQ of a SFV supporter.

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>>384405907


Lol I doubt you're even good enough to be braindead with parries.

I am. I've accidentally parried entire magnetic storms floating in the air because I practiced it and then had to. I've accidentally parried a whole shippu jinrai with no health left because I had to.


I bet you've never even accidentally done anything cool. You're a weak bitch. You don't know a thing about fighting games.

>>384406019
>no Dong Dong Never Dies
and into the trash that tier list goes

>>384406019
I always laugh at Bloody Roar being included on this shit

>>384406019
4 in top teir makes this list ass...

>>384405907
you just probably suck ass at it so of course you would like pleb shit like SFV

>>384406667
Probably the deepest fighting game ever made

>>384406863
>>384406095
>>384406402
>ass destroyed Yun mains with no argument
feels good to be right

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Super Turbo is the best SF game. Not even close. Everything after ST has been piss.

>>384407026
>RNG: The Game, Spam Wall Dive Edition
No thanks

>>384405835
>3rd strike has parry
>V has input delay.
they are both bad but Parrying is just too alienating of an Idea
>>384407026
/thread

>>384407318
>3rd strike has parry
3rd strike confirmed for best SF

That's literally the best SF game against the worst.

>>384406872
mhmm

People who hate parrying literally hate it because they never got good at it.

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>>384406983

You dumb bitch. I think Yun is one of the worst Sf characters ever and I've never touched him outside of random. I'd smoke your ass with anyone in the cast though, even 12.

My mains were Makoto, Dudley, Oro, Yang, and Urien. I didn't even do unblockables on my friends because I was a nice guy. But I'd eat your ass for lunch on an aegis reflector plate just to hear you cry about how unfair parries are when they aren't helping you to keep me from tonguing that bootyhole.

>>384407026
Why doesn't Capcom have like...art anymore? SFV has like one Daigo/Nishimura/Shinkiro drawing and MVCI has only one Shinkiro art of two characters.

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>>384406019
>sf4 top tier
>tekken tag 2 mid tier
>mk4 not bottom tier

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>>384407615

It's pretty much this. Although Daigo did say the game had become very tiresome and funfun at top level since everything boiled down to some kind of parry option select.

Frankly, I love parry option selects. Parry in general makes the game feel very freeform and it's cool when two people who have played each other a long time will parry the shit out of each other just because each is used to the other's pattern.

>>384406872
This

>>384406872
Is this a meme or not? I'm not familiar with Bloody Roar

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>>384407318
Whats wrong with the parry system?

>both lack 90% of the characters from the previous games
both are shit

>>384408163
No, BR is an extremely deep game with layers and layers of sub mechanics and strategies that play around them.

A few of the most notable things is the cancel system, multi level guard and how the beast changes how the characters play.

The game was waaay ahead of its time.

>>384408509
How come they don't make them anymore?

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>>384408506
SF4 had one of the most boring character rosters in a street fighter game to date bud. SF5 in its current state has a more interesting roster than USF4

>>384408695
Because Konami took over Hudson the guys who owned and co-developed the game.

>>384408763
Now that SF4 is backwards compatible on xbone theres literally no reason to play SFV

>>384406983
>Karinfag being retarded with baseless arguments

To no one's surprise

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>>384408763

I'm torn because I want to play my favorite characters but I don't want to see the horrible new design they'll come up with for them. Alex was awful. Thank god the classic costume is coming back.

Imagine what they'd do to Q. Probably give him a giant belt or shiny gloves or replace his mask with a spray painted storm trooper helmet.

>>384408163
It's a meme.
Bloody Roar was never good. The only people who talk it up are trolls and delusional furfags.

>>384408376
I didnt think it was bad at first and thought it was pretty cool but it feels more like a comeback mecanic on low health that something you should get from the start because when you do it kills zoning. Sure nobody want to have to deal with HADOKEN, TIGER, SONIC BOOM and YOGA FLAME for the majority of a match but rendering those tools useless is not the way to do it. Because of parry, the game is way more focusing on expecting weird approachs since the usual ones can just be parried so easily.

>>384408943
>Alex was awful. Thank god the classic costume is coming back.
I was never someone who played 3S as a kid but I just don't get this. I honestly think he looks way cooler in V than he did in his original game.

>>384409095
this is bait

>>384405835
3rd strike had makoto
Makoto is the best waifu tsundere

>>384405835
3rd Strike easily. I can imagine the only reason people say otherwise is because they're scrubs who can't actually play.

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>>384408904
SF4 had one of the most boring character rosters in a street fighter game to date bud. SF5 in its current state has a more interesting roster than USF4

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>>384408943
>Spray painted Storm Trooper helmet
I'd be 200% ok with this.

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>live long enough to have 3rd Strike be considered "divisive" and SFIV universally praised

I want off this ride. Capcom should have died with Clover. Street Fighter should have never been raised from the dead. Fuck 09ers and fuck esports.

>>384407156
Random stun, I'll give you that, yeah. Walldives, there are counterpicks and ways you can punish those, or reversal if you get knocked down. As for random damage, nobody knew until like 10 years later because it's fucking nothing tier miniscule and never decides the outcome of matches.

>>384409380
Turd strike babbies are basically 09ers but worse. Your game was always considered a joke compared to ST. Hell the FGC even played fucking broken ass cvs2 with roll cancels making everything completely fucking safe as "the footsie game" over yours.

>>384409467
Random damage was well documented even before ST came out

>>384409309
How? I mean, I guess I can see the argument for Vanilla or maybe even Super but USF4 has almost twice as many characters and I can only think of five or six characters in 5 that aren't also in 4 that I would actually want to play.

>>384409309
>SFV has a more interesting roster

Boy howdy I sure love RUSHDOWN: The game

>>384409380
3S and SF3 as a whole was divisive, stop pretending people loved it from the get-go.

>>384409380
3s was always divisive. ST players fucking hated it and the game did really poorly in arcades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPUdcyv6VxY

>>384408763
>make good roster
>make shit gameplay
or
>make good gameplay
>have shit roster
crapcum is a expert at both but can't do it without fucking up one side

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>>384409684
2434348 shotos, the most boring characters from 3rd strike and alpha series and shit newcomers eg rufus

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>>384409916
>the most boring characters from 3rd strike and alpha series
More like the only ones that mattered.

>>384405835
>third strike
>calling it "divisive" of all things

Competitive play is anything but divisive.

SFIII and Third Strike were simply too kino for their time.

>>384409643
>your game

Nigger 3S was never my main jam. Hyper Fighter, ST, Alpha 2 & 3, CVS2, 3S, all fucking great... Acting like some OG over here repping ST while shitting on CVS2 & 3S like that means something. You're either larping, or are pushing 40 and should stop posting on vietnamese origami message boards.

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>>384410009
>adon and gen better than r mika, birdie and karin
>makoto and ibuki better than fucking alex and urien

you sure about that

>>384406019
How the fuck is SF4 not on the same tier as Rising Thunder regardless of where it is? They're basically the same fucking game outside of the one-button specials thing.

>>384405835
3s looks better and has more fun gameplay but is broken as fuck

sfv gameplay is very basic, combos are easy, roster is big and growing

Neither is "better" they both have pros and cons; the most relevant being no one plays 3s anymore.

>>384410275
I'm 24 and the alpha games, sf3, and cvs2 are bad. Sorry.

sf3 is bad because the game is simply too slow and parries fuck up everything
alpha is bad because of juggles, infinites, and airblocking
cvs2 is bad because RC makes everything and anything safe, and because ratios are fucking dumb

I mostly play anime games and KOF, but I have to respect ST for being a great game. Every street fighter after it has been a joke.

Also it's not "hyper fighter" it's "hyper fightING" get it right.

>>384410425
>no one plays 3s anymore.
You sure about that son?

>>384410276
Mika, fat Birdie, and new Karin all fucking suck.

>>384410596
So do your fucking sf4 characters faggot

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>>384409171
That's why I married her

>>384410679
Are you upset or something?

SF5fags will NEVER EVER have a good game. Ever.

>>384410792
Man I don't even like sf5 that much I'm just saying that sf4s roster is a fucking dumpster fire

>>384410516
RC abuse is actually an exploit in cvs2 you fucking shitter. Don't talk like you know things you don't understand. Also ST is antiquated and does not hold up against modern fighters, SF3 included.

>>384409774
>ST players

There is like over a 5 year gap between ST and 3S. Anyone who didn't like Alpha, New Generation and any of the other post-ST CPS2/3 games were long fucking gone by the time 3S came out. So don't act like all these ST OGs were still even actively playing in arcades by the time the game came out.

There sure is a big divide between the resurgence scenes (around 04' to 08') where the ST guys and 3S guys didn't have much overlap, at least where I live (SoCal) but you could equally say that ST is divisive because the HF guys hated ST. All these games are classics but guys end up picking their preferred flavor.

>>384410923
SFV's roster is like if every character was Decapre. SF4 is fine.

>>384410679
I didn't mention SF4 you autistic bitch, you're just pissed you can't defend any of the shitty redesigns in SFV. The only one that's tolerable is Mika but even then that's only because she was always a fap bait nothing character.

>>384410930
RC itself is an exploit. It is, itself, abusive and lame and gay.

>>384410949
ST still always had the better offline scene. Barely anyone played 3s offline compared to ST even during the epin daigo parry age.

ST still gets repped at majors... where is 3s? When was the last 3s tourney in the west?

>>384408904
Is sf4 still popular online?

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>>384411101
but decapre came from sf4
youre just proving my point

>>384410516
>I'm 24
>it's "hyper fightING" get it right.
>triggered autism over typos for games he's too young to have played

>>384411101
Decapre was a great character

>>384408904
What if I don't own an Xbone?

>>384411160

DESU I'm fine with western 3s dying. All it did was tier-whore out the ass. No character variety at all. That kinda happens to all western scenes though. Westerners don't have the balls to really dig into the systems of games before they move onto the next thing.

Meanwhile the last cooperation cup had amazing turn-out and a lot of character variety. Lots of players familiar with each other too so there's some really good out there reads.

>>384411108
Rather have shit redesigns of good characters than a roster of purely shit characters
Mika is fapbait though I'll give you that

>>384405835
3rd Strike being bad is a meme, it's the best SF game

>>384405835
Pro player Laugh has a theory on fighting games that describes players pretty well, but also applies to games. The three talents that are used to play fighting games are Mind, Body, and Spirit. Mind players do a lot of practice mode, know lots of tech and setups, as well as know all the matchups by heart. Body players have good reactions and execution. Spirit players are good at picking up on opponents habits, playing mindgames, making reads, and avoiding mistakes. When games favor one of these styles over another, it can hurt the game for the players who rely prominently on that style. Lets take a look at SF3 and SFV with this in mind.

>SF3
SF3's Parry mechanic is a Mind player's wet dream. The amount of setups and option selects that are available are almost infinite. On top of that, Physical players have a bunch of fancy combos, including some TOD combos, to play around with, as well as the parry mechanic giving them a reward for having good reaction time. Spirit players, on the other hand, get the short end of the stick. Parry was tailor made to hurt tools that the Spirit players took advantage of. Parry neuters fireball zoning, gives players option selects for every possible oki option, makes cornering the opponent much weaker, and gives Physical players ways to shrug off footsies and go back to doing whatever it was they wanted to do. This results in a game that feels great for training mode monsters, but feels like shit to players who'd rather just play instead of spend hours trying to perfect a combo or find the perfect punish for all of the opponent's options. To make things worse, SF3 has a very stagnate meta where there are a few strong characters, and nobody else can compete seriously. This results in a technically sound, but unbalanced and ultimately boring game.

Continued in next post.

>>384411160
>ST
>3S
>online scenes

What? How? What "online scenes" existed even during 04-08? When there WAS an online scene, well after these games were already old and dead, back when GGPO had 3S, it was EASILY the most played game on GGPO.

>>384411648
>SFV
SFV is like a shitty bizzaro world SF3. Spirit players are still being fucked over by a game where zoning is still garbage, and normal moves are so bad that footsies are almost non-existent. On top of that, the insane damage output in this game means that no matter how many good reads you make, one mistake and you're dead. But on top of that, SFV hates Physical players with a passion. Execution doesn't matter in this game. Anyone can do this shit. So it's essentially a Mind dominated game, but there's so little advanced tech that the Mind players are bored out of their minds. Option selects are non existent, and most matchups look mostly the same, with a few outliers. The result is a game where nobody is happy or satisfied. Capcom successfully made a game that feels boring. Even the gameplay mechanics that seem fun at first turn out to be neutered and dull.

SF3 is, by default, better than SFV because at least two out of the three types of players enjoy it. SFV is disliked by all three, even if it is more balanced and has a larger diversity of characters.

>>384411781
I said offline though. l2read

Garou > 3S > USF4 > Tekken 7 > KOF 98 > Soul Calibur 5
just my opinion ofcourse :)

>>384412136
why do people like Garou so much

>>384408943
Sorry man but paying extra so the character doesnt look like shit aint exactly a reaaon to celebrate.

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>>384411451
I actually wouldn't. SF4 had a lot of shitty shotos and terrible newcomers but it has the classic ST cast and a lot of the best of Alpha. And at least it didn't take characters I really like and was hyped for and fuck them over like SFV did.

>>384412136
>forgetting bloody roar 3
fuck off 09er

>>384412221
memes and that stupid chart. anyone with skill knows it's jank and just defend is even worse than sf3 parry and breaks the game and makes it trash at a comp level.

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>>384412221

Because it's solid as fuck and has cool characters. SNK games have always been kind of janky but if you can figure them out they are quite deep and nuanced.

>>384412136
>USF4 > anything

Throw your DIMPS game in the trash, 09er

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>>384412136
>tekken 7 above anything

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>>384412268
>the best of alpha
see >>384410276
and while I do agree that some of the redesigns are trash (I say this as an alex fan) they are releasing classic costumes, which is a start

also juris redesign is fucking god tier

>>384406019
>no tekken 7 sitting above them all in elder tier

nah

>>384412750
>tekken 7
LMAO

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>>384412750

Sorry but not even Geese has pulled Tekken from under the shadow of that one EVO Grand Finals with just two Bobs. That was a joke. That was embarrassingly bad.

>>384412221
it's fun both casually and at a higher level of play.
it also looks pretty and has a great cast of characters.
what else does a fighting game need.

>>384410062
This. SF3 is pure aesthetics, it's hard for normies to understand.

>>384405973
>Maybe when SSFV hits and there's multiple-v triggers
I'm currently waiting on this, more v-skills, and half of the v-reversals redone.

>>384412628
How is that god tier? It's just a leather biker suit, what's special about it? Also Adon and Gen are better than fanservice, black Rufus, and a shitty Lili.

>>384405835
3s by far. Even with all the problems it has.
Parries are terrible for SF games, removing a big portion of SF playstyles and forcing movesets to be build around them.
The whole game is focused on meter, the top tiers dominate and low tiers are legit terrible.

Even with all of that shit, it's better than SFV.
SFV has one gameplan for all characters and it forces you to play their way by destroying fundamentals of SF.
Being upclose is dangerous in every other SF game even as the one attacking. In SFV they removed the risks, while amplifying the rewards with CC.

Meanwhile neutral is shit. Hitboxes are too small, damage output is the lowest in the series and if you use anything other than CC buttons, you take great risk without real reward.

It should be fighting game 101, but SFV fanboys don't understand even this basic shit.
Like this retard: >>384410425
If you don't know that SFV's gameplay is fundamentally screwed, you are retarded.

>>384412221
They haven't played it.

>>384412954
you fucking wot, Tekken won Evo and Bob winter was like ten years ago

>>384413101
>damage output is the lowest in the series

I was listening until this point. What are you talking about? The majority of the cast has huge damage output.

>>384412954
>i judge the game from the grand finals of 1 tourney

what?

>>384413194

>Tekken won evo

A pittance to the hype that was Mahvel. Call me when Tekken has something other than supers and ripped bosses from other games.

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>>384413091
Skintight suit coupled with the fact they actually gave her tits and an ass this time around
And birdies fucking obese britbong redesign was probably a bad example

>>384413467
keep your viper beam spam out of the ass

I like offensive characters with good damage, high low mixups not needed, prefer crossups, frame traps are fines.
Hate projectiles and grapplers, who do I play in SFV?

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>>384413194
>Tekken won Evo
No, No its didnt

SFV had more entrants, more stream views, significantly more hype and people were talking about it after it finished unlike tekken, who the FUCK are you trying to kid you deluded casual retard.

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>>384406019
>Last Blade 2 in low tier

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>>384413759
i think M. Bison

>>384405835
What SF has the best arcade mode/AI?

>>384413876
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX2F7SS420Q

>>384406019
>>384412954
>>384412829
>tfw i don´t have this shit taste
feels good

>>384413346
This actually is a very enlightening observation

From the mind of modern Stream Shitters, their terrible taste in fighting games makes way more sense when you realize that all their opinions are formed from watching games opposed to playing them.

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>>384414016
>this kekken 7 is good
Yeah you have shit taste

>>384408943
has Q even become Q in SFV yet?

>>384406019
Capcu.cks need to be gassed

>>384413793
hit a nerve huh?
nearly same numbers as SF means it was an amazing Evo for Tekken
meanwhile SFV continues to be a disappointment with another laughable addition to the game

>>384413691
I can fap to it yeah but I still like her original look better even if this one i fine. I mean I can't jerk off and play Street Fighter at the same time.

so darkstalkers is free now on PS3.
are people playing it?

>>384414259
You are the one that maked the list, right?

>>384407026
ST is kusoge

>>384412750
Tekken 7 isn't even the best fighter out right now

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>>384414337
>nearly same numbers as SF

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>>384414316
>mid tier - virtua fighter and guilty gear accent core
>shitty games like alpha 3, garou, ultra, and bloody roar in fucking top tier
>mvc2 not in high tier

>>384413963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjHsT4nTigA

>>384414496
meant to say

>mvc2 not in top

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>>384414496
Oh hey, its you again.

>>3844113793
>but SFV
everytime
im not trying to say that tekken won this evo tought , so calm down

>>384414227
Arc developed Jojo when? We need this instead of dumbass DBFZ

>>384414432
>Tekken 7 (Sunday) – 145,657
>Street Fighter V (Sunday) 179,072
inb4 hurr thats not nearly the same, eat a cunt

>>384412569
>>384412829
>>384412954
capcbros in full force I see

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>>384414598

>popularity indicates quality

I forgot that MK and smash are the best fighting games ever

>>384414598
>PC

irrelevant

>>384414663
fuck off jobronie

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>>384414672
Street Fighter V (Sunday)
10:15 - 1:10
219,568 (total viewers on twitch)

Who the FUCK are you trying to kid?

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>>384414993
D-DELETE THIS

>>384414993
http://shoryuken.com/2017/07/17/check-out-the-twitch-tv-viewer-stats-for-evo-2017/

>>384414227
Know where I can download Heritage for the Future? I've been dying to play a jojo game that isn't all star battle or eyes of heaven.

>>384414496
>>mid tier - virtua fighter and guilty gear accent core
I agree mid tier is too high for shit games like virtua faghter and goober gay

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>>384415320
>goober gay

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>>384415202
Thats from 1 channel you fucking retard SFV had like 3 - 4 channels

>>384413905
Not a fan of charge forgot to mentions, his slow walk speed also puts me off. who do I have left? Cammy and Karin?

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>>384414672
>>384415202

>>384415505
Tekken also had restreams, that's beside the point
you're an insufferable namecalling nigger though

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>>384406019

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>>384415721
if you wanna go for all the viewers, might as well get those disney and ESPN numbers.

>>384414496
What's so shitty about Garou anyways? Ive seen people trash it here a lot, and only here, which isn't surprising since /v/ sucks ass at figthan.

one is an unbalanced mess with a deep mechanics, the other is braindead trash for babies.

>>384415865
Whats wrong with her head?

>>384415862
sup /fgg/

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dead franchise, abandon ship

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>>384415946
she's a smart girl

Usf4 is the best, you can all suck a cock if you disagree

>>384405835
I don't like either as they suffer from a lot of the similar problems. Almost all of the characters fight at the same range and have a similar gameplan. SFIII has parry into button into super, SFV has shimmy and throw or stand roundhouse into v-trigger into special into super.

That said, SFIII has a higher skill ceiling and actually allows players to show off their execution and tech skill, so I choose it over SFV. Or pretty much any fighting game over SFV desu.

CvS2 is better than both though.

>>384415862
What the fuck is wrong with you dude? Virtua Fighter is one of the most complex 3d fighting games ever made and Bloody Roar is fucking trash for casuals.

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>>384411648
>>384412056
I saw the Core-A-Gaming analysis on this and I have to agree. I'm a body/physical player for sure and I felt alienated as fuck playing SFV. SF4 links mostly scratched my execution itch but now I have to go back to Zato in GG to have fun again.

>>384413295
damage output is lowest in the series for stray hits and projectiles. Like for characters like Vega that used to prominently win by just playing a solid neutral game, using your fast walk speed and strong pokes to steadily whittle away at your opponents health without really going in and taking big risks.

Not at all a way to play and win in SFV. In fact there is only really one way to play viably. The homogenization of character archetypes and playstyles is one of the reasons it's gotten so stale.

>>384416959
>Like for characters like Vega that used to prominently win by just playing a solid neutral game, using your fast walk speed and strong pokes to steadily whittle away at your opponents health without really going in and taking big risks

yeah YOOOOOOOO YOOOOOOO YOOOOOOOO is so risky and so footsies based dude yeah vega really had to WORK for those wins knomesayin?

>>384416959
the high damage is why i liked Vanilla SF4.
i mean yea... it made fireballs a little too strong but the game felt really tense.

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>>384416710
This. I find Guilty Gear more satisfying in a variety of ways

>>384417074
Not talking about ST here, mostly CvS2 and SF4. Although Vega still plays that way in a lot of ST matchups until he gets the knockdown.

>>384417162
can i play against Rev2 owners with just basica Xrd Rev?

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>>384416513
>Virtua Fighter is one of the most complex 3d fighting games ever made

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>>384417310
If you own Rev 2, you can revert it back to Rev 1. In that way, they can play together

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>>384416513
>Virtua Fighter is one of the most complex 3d fighting games ever made and Bloody Roar is fucking trash for casuals.
What is this backwards day?

>>384417451
oh, this is the loser that thinks alpha 3 is a great game and calls GG "goober gear"

go back to the fightcade lobby for your ancient kuso where you can crouch cancel corner infinite juggle your virginity another 10 years you retarded nerd

>>384416513
What the fuck is wrong with you dude? Bloody Roar is one of the most complex 3d fighting games ever made and virtua fighter is fucking trash for casuals.

>>384417794
I know its difficult when you are trying to nuthug 2 dead kuso games like GG and VF but you should really try to make your samefagging less obvious.

>>384417794
probably, or /fgg/ is a capcom dickriding hivemind.

>>384415232
uploaded it for you, i forget which one works on fightcade just throw both of them into the ROMs folder

https://mega.nz/#!hHojEYiZ!9R9iq3I14Y1mbaS6Y3KPiTDMP5PO3pBTcjv4F7X5DHQ

https://mega.nz/#!4aw0gKJB!4ysMpN0S3E522cZYGpepsD86dP_OGxOLoPViA8aGO4Q

>>384418095
samefag? nah. if you really are the retard that spergs over alpha 3 see me in ST, a game that actually takes real fundamentals.

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>>384414663
pretty sure even Araki is hyped for DBFZ considering that one of his characters and stand are based on the cell saga.

>>384419007
Post your Fightcade ID

I started fighting games a year ago and 3S is by far the best one i've played, balance issues aside, it's pure fun, if i had to rank SF it'd be 3S>A3>ST>V>USF4, my problem with V is that it allows very little innovation and it gets boring to watch/play after short time, also all the DLC bullshit it's grotesque

>>384405835

Both are better than SF4 that's for sure.

>>384408376

It ruins character archetypes and forces everyone to fight the same range. It homogenizes the game for the most part.

>>384419007
>>384419656
LMAO nice dodge faggot

>>384412056
I haven't gotten to play fighting games in a long time, but that sounds like the fighting game equivalent of Battlerite, i.e. fucking awful.

>>384412056
>On top of that, the insane damage output in this game means that no matter how many good reads you make, one mistake and you're dead.

You could've just stopped there. That in a nutshell is why SFV is bad.

>>384409139
I agree besides his whack standing animation he looks cooler overall.

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>>384416513
>Virtua Fighter is one of the most complex 3d fighting games ever made
>Bloody Roar is fucking trash for casuals

>>384420173
This is what matters most. 4 is such absolute dogshit I immediately disregard anyone who says it's better than just ok

>>384422412

Ever since V came out a lot of people have been using that as an excuse to retroactively make it seem like 4 was a great game. I'm so glad I stay away from most Crapcom threads.

>>384409774
This forced MEME AGAIN

>>384409848
>Vanilla SF4 was literally Super Vanilla with The other new challengers.
>Good roster

>>384420173
I'll never forgive Capcom for releasing 4 at the height of my fightan phase. What a shit game.

>>384423326

But, muh esports!

>>384405835
I can jump into SFV right now and win but it is never satisfying. With 3S, every win feels fucking personal because I have to actually use the mechanics to counter my opponent rather than abusing safe wakeups. Just booting into USFIV feels much more satisfying than playing SFV overall.

>>384414663
Jojo doesn't really lend itself to hyper fighting style though.

>>384406019
Why did people hate Soul Calibur IV again? I'm biased since I was pretty good at it.

Also Tekken 7 should be higher.

>>384424506
>Also Tekken 7 should be higher.
No

>>384424347
>I can jump into SFV right now and win
Lmfao

>>384415862
>/fgg/ has literally ruined fighting game discussion on 4chan forever

>>384411341
Trollono literally who recolor just to be Trollono, has anybody ever noticed that the "new" characters that "have never been in a SF befooooooooore" are really just derivates of existing ones?

Pay attention, Oni, Ed, Brazilian slut Lisa. And even Abigail, heck even Menut is gonna be diet rose wearing spats instead of a loincloth

>>384405907
>3rd strikes parry system makes it more worse

Definitely one of the most retarded things I've ever read.

>>384425938
Decapre plays absolutley nothing like Cammy are you retarded or is this just bait?

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>>384414598
>PC
>Probably captured after a sale from a community who believe that "I-If a buy a fighting game and practice in tutorial for two hours before dropping it I can tell people I play the genre and I'm hardcore! Let me also purchase a $200 fightstick as it is the traditional way to play!"

>>384405835
3S didn't have legions of people declaring it shit and unplayable for years.

SFV only has people play it because there's money in it for being the current game.

I think you know the answer.

>>384427006
>3S didn't have legions of people declaring it shit and unplayable for years.

it actually did.

>>384427006
>3S didn't have legions of people declaring it shit and unplayable for years.

lolwat? It was lambasted for years. A pro-player wrote a long winded article about why it was bad for example. US. scene for 3s never took off.

>>384414403
What's

What's better out of Alpha 2 & 3?

It's kind of neat that Alpha 2 is on SNES

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>>384427419
easily

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>>384427419


KOF, then GG, then Tekken, then a fat pile of garbage, then BB, and then SFV.

>>384427508
a2 but they're both kusoshit

>>384427815
>STfag again

>>384427786
>KOF

Hola Jaun

>>384427815
really? i always hear about 3 but never 2. What makes 2 better?

>>384417310
If your thinking of taking advantage of the steam sale the revelator + rev2 bundle is the best value even if it's not on sale. Its not worth picking up Revelator on it's own

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>>384427953

I play a lot of fighters and my favorite game of each gen has never been consistent wrt series. 2 gens ago it was 3s. Last gen it was Mahvel 3, and this gen is KOF XIV.

Game has a lot of fun characters, high mobility, lots of options for combos and supers, and attempts fair balance patches- despite what ssong claims.

>>384428276

No infinities, no v-ism

>>384428342
I fucking hate Marvel 3, fuck it and it's touch of death combo horseshit. Everyone is shit talking infinite but I'm glad we're done with this piece of shit in major events likes evo. Sorry had to rant

>>384428460

Until MVC:I

Boy I sure love KOF and GG, but lol fuck playing them because of reasons! Back to Persona and Final Fantasy with my superior tastes!

>>384428527
I'm going to be really booty blasted if MvCI has touch of death shit. I don't even plan on buying it after getting fucked over by SFV, I just don't want to see this shit hogging space at events.

>>384428606
This people will suck GG's dick despite not even playing it, fucking herd mentality. Buy this shit it's the best fighter on the market

>>384428460

I don't mind broken or janky games so Mahvel was fine with me. It had a great run and an explosion of character variety towards the end. Who would think a Chun would win EVO?

It's not everyone's cup of tea but I don't think any fighting game should try to be or else you get bland watered down shit like SFV.

>>384428724
>Heavily favors offense and pressure
>Americants dominate the top brackets
>One combo can more or less wipe you out

SFV is more or less Marvel lite.

>>384428920
nah even fucking SFV isn't as brainless as Marvel 3, unless you play balrog I guess

>>384428724
>really like GG
>threads are always full of waifu fags who don't play the game or retard ramfags
Truly is suffering trying to discuss that game

>>384427508
Alpha 3 is the much better game

>>384428350
what this guy said

corner carry variable combos into crouch cancel infinites are fucking retarded

>>384428350
Alpha 2 has more infinites than Aloha 3 and it literally has vism, at least play the game before shitposting you underage 09er

>>384429472
>V-ism

CC in Alpha 2 force you to move forward and don't have the pluses that v-ism has in Alpha 3 you fucking nigglet.

>Alpha 2 has more infinites

Blatant lie.

>>384428350
>>384429385

lolno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5CscridX_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQzR5Y3hJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BG58tywljI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMPKYFkkXqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5LFwW_R9UA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ig-E8sBK18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crQvNJFV_Ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMBkXFfQW28

>>384429472
>it literally has vism

Custom Combos =/= V-Ism you fucking retard.

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>>384428920


SFV is definitely more boring. I think part of marvel's charm is the simplicity of its controls and inputs mixed with the complexity of its movement. I think maybe only Melee has harder movement than marvel especially wrt air plink-dashing.

It had some notorious shit in it for sure. Morrigan is broke as hell and so is Doom. But I doubt most people in this thread ever even encountered that shit in the wild.


>>384429180

There's only two types of GG posters. Waifu-fags and people who just assert their opinion on the game as fact.

>>384429710
This is bait... right?

>>384427508
You'll never get a definitive answer on that, Alpha 2 VS Alpha 3 has been a decades long debate. Each has its devoted playerbase.

>>384429857


Which is awesome, isn't it? Isn't it cool that people still play old shit they like?

What if all over /v/ did that? I bet this thread wouldn't suck such a hard black cock.

>>384429779
>Hur bait

They work nothing alike in there respective game. You're either a poseur or a retard at this point.

>>384429675
>Combo video

Fuck off.

>>384406019
7/10 b8 m8.
People who actually play fighting games will recognize that it's wrong, but casuals or new players will take this to heart.

>>384429857
Not really Alpha 3 is widely regarded as the better game people people who actually play fighting games.

https://www.fightcade.com/game/sfa2
https://www.fightcade.com/game/sfa3

>>384429926
0/10

Put more effort into your bait next time.

>>384430187

Concession accepted cocksucker.

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>>384427679

>>384427508
A2 has more viable characters and less kusoge elements, but people find that less exciting than A3's anime-lite.

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>>384405907
>more worse

>>384430048
This is bait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alC_1l7C8QA

Starts @0:49

Wow, what a brilliant game. They even had to fast forward the shitty footage because it was so tedious.

>>384406019
Skullgirls should be put lower and Tekken 7 should be put in high tier

>>384430479
>Tekken 7 should be put in high tier
No

>>384430651
Fine. Then I'll allow it to be in mid tier if you throw out Mortal Kombat X

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>>384430440
wow! so deep. much better than that old archaic stodgy super turbo or stupid dumby doo doo face goober gear! you just don't get it!!!!

>>384430279
>A2 has more viable characters
No it dosen't, the game is literally chun vs rose

> less kusoge elements
No it doesn't see >>384429675

No one plays alpha 2 for a reason

>>384431192

How DO they do it?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQldqPZ9nDw

@1:09

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>>384431192
>Assmad goober still samefagging 4 hours later

>>384431352
>No it doesn't see

That doesn't prove shit, post something from an actual match, not a funking combo video you retard.

>>384431457
no serious ST or 3s considers alpha anything but kuso trash

get on fightcade so I can body you with XISM, please, I implore you.

>>384405907
>braindead
Anon...

>>384431669

Actually I love 3s and I respect people who stick to what they like even if it's not to my taste. The label of "kuso" or whether or not it's a "legit" doesn't really matter to me because you see high school was over 10 years ago for me. I've grown past that shit.

Not even the dude you're replying too.

>>384431669
>get on fightcade so I can body you with XISM, please, I implore you.

You keep saying this then you keep dodging

>>384419007
>>384419656
>>384420994

Post your Fightcade ID

>>384431991
> you see high school was over 10 years ago for me

you say this, but you willingly entered a petty argument you fucking retard. No one was even talking to you and you had to butt in like a child

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>>384431669
>>384432286
Another dodge from the goober kek, cant write this shit

>>384431352
Everyone down to arguably Gen is viable.

>>384433058
lolno

>>384433058
Eh, nah, meanwhile in Alpha 3 you have Juli winning tournaments.

>>384433053
fightcade ID: SFA3gameforcuckolds

meet me in the lobby.

>>384433508

Winning with a low tier character in a tourney doesn't mean they're not trash. Kuroda can win with Q in 3s, does that mean he's viable?

>>384433798

stream it

>>384433963
here in the lobby gayboy. meet me or don't. your choice.

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>>384433798
>Won't even post his real ID
LMAO the dodge is real

>>384434012
>>384433053
wow total fucking radio static. dodging kusoplayer talks a big game but can't back it up... many such cases! sad!

>>384434196
nice excuses.

>>384433878
Why do people even want Q? Out of All the characters in Street Fighter, i could never get the hype for Q nor Skullomania

>>384434196
>>384434217
>>384434341
I've been in the lobby for like literally 10 minutes waiting for you to show your face. You talk a big game but won't even play me. Congrats.

>>384434441

It's because they want to know who or what he is. Since 3s his whole schtick has been that he's some powerful mysterious character with ties to Shadowloo.

>FITE ME POST YOUR FIGHTCADE
>NO YOUR REAL ID!!!
>NO NO NO

Nothing but excuses dude. You're a dodging cowardly cuckold. Can't even defend your broken ass game. Literally kill yourself.

>>384434610
So if Q got in SFV, we could finally see who he was before he became Q?

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lol. I'll give it another minute of waiting. I'm not going to wait forever for this idiot memer /fgg/ poster to show his face so I can crush him in his own shit kusoge.

>>384433508
one Juli winning one small-time arcade tourney, meanwhile characters like Adon, Gen and Sodom routinely do well wherever A2 is being played

>>384434939
>Using a fake account because you know you will get boddied
Now this is just sad

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>>384435105
literally waited like 10 minutes for you you retarded coward.

>>384434936

SFV has more or less filled out a lot of the plot issues between SF2 and 3. So, I'd imagine so.

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>>384435147
>>384434939
>>384434529
>>384434341
>>384434217
>>384434196
>>384434012
>>384433963
>>384433798
>>384433053
>mfw this dodging cuck gets destroyed

Can't we all just agree that every SF game is irrelevant in comparison to KoF?

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>>384435147

>>384436283
>Can't we all just agree that every SF game is irrelevant in comparison to KoF?

Only if you're a beaner.

>>384406584
this man deserves a medal.

>>384413101
they just needed to balance the parry mechanic. It should have built up a guard crush meter, so you couldn't just parry every fireball and vortex. That's my 2 cents on the matter

>>384426827

If that were true the gain would be positive.

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>>384406019
Updated for truth.

>>384438505
Why have you put a childs party game in a fighting game tier list?

>>384438738
Wrong

>>384438854
literally a childs party game

>>384438505
>>384438738
>>384438854
>>384438947

(you)

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>>384410276
>makoto and ibuki better than fucking alex and urien
I'm quite sure about that

>>384412750
shill

>>384410009
kys

>>384430326
underrated

>>384405907
I love that 3S haters always just out themselves as massive retards.

>>384413963
You realize that only works in training mode with retarded settings, right?

>>384406019
Accurate

>>384443063
False

>>384405907
No

>>384407648
whoa, everyone dont fuck with this guy he means business

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>>384405835
SFV:
-has Zangief

3S:
-has better gameplay

I cannot decide.

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>>384408376
When a game allows you to parry anti airs absolutely every single aspect of it becomes a guess.

Some people dont want to gamble nonstop.

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>>384405835

Neither. Only this one.

Also parry system is overrated in 3S because most of the time if you know what you're doing you don't actually expend any risk to even parry.

>>384412221

Because the game is actually fairly well balanced.

Also oddly enough the first game to ever have a grappler as the Top Tier character.

>>384448640
Why just have random stun, why not give every character random special moves and have the stage timer be random too. That would be sick.

>>384413963

The only one of those that's easy and practical to even do is Zantetsu's air AC infinite right at the start. The rest are all glitches or character specific combos on top of improbable situations to get right in a match play on top of some extremely tight cancels that have to go right.

Besides that you can never die from an infinite combo in LB2 since damage scaling beyond a point will make it so you take 0 damage.

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Will the new EX game be good bros?

What's my opinion on it?

>>384449206

The stun isn't random in ST. It's a fixed value of 30, certain moves do more stun than others, the more you are hit within a short period of time the number on your stun meter goes up. What is random is certain attacks sometimes dealing random variables of 1 or 2 points of extra stun damage or not based on frequency of hits within a certain time frame. Most moves generally deal a stun damage of 2 but may have 1 point more added sometimes from combo related situations. Exceptions being Gief's jumping headbutt which is generally an instant stun in JP boards of the game.

>>384449817
Well now I feel bad, I assumed you were shitposting and responded in kind. Thanks for the educational post though.

>>384421646
I disagree. Super Turbo has that, but Super Turbo is better than SFV. Samurai Shodown 2 has that, and SamSho 2 is better than SFV. The damage itself wouldn't be a problem if the game was good.

Things I'd do at this point:
>Buff normals and walk speed. This is most important
>Remove the free cancel from V-Triggers. Triggers that were mostly used for their cancel are re-worked or replaced. The rest of them now have to be linked or juggled into, allowing players to experiment with new combo options, some of them more difficult than the ones that already exist.
>Add V-Cancels. Literally just the cancel from V-Trigger, but as a separate mechanic. Costs 1 block V-Meter. You can use two, sometimes three V-Cancels in a combo if you have the meter, leading to more creativity. Special moves cannot be V-Canceled.
>EX Special moves can be V-Canceled. You're losing a bit of both of your resources to do it, but you can use this to extend combo options, make your reversal DP safe on block, or create nasty setups (Necalli EX stomp becomes + on block, leading to a forced mixup). Note, that the window is more strict, and you can't cancel in the air, so you only have a few frames to cancel your DP to safety, and only if you connect before you're considered airborne.

>>384408376
In simple terms, it makes a lot more moves and strings "unsafe".

To go more in depth, you have to look at how the parry works and what it's applications mean. You can parry everything except for throws at virtually any point on the screen that the attack can connect so long as you know where the move is coming from. What's more, since you get a brief pause when a successful parry comes out, multi hitting moves or otherwise safe strings are made even more unsafe than usual, since if you learn the rhythm to parry said moves, you can simply wait it out till you can attack. Since parry TECHNICALLY has no inherent cooldown, this means that most if not all meaties are nullified, zoning is nullified since all it is is free meter gain and retaliation options are nullified, since you can simply be faked out and parried.

On the surface level, it seems fine. Characters that are annoying are made much less so and matches become more about knowing the person behind the screen more so than the character. However, thanks to how many things are nullified, most of the time people will stick to playing at a range where, even if they're parried? They're relatively safe. Even more so than usual, it makes a lot of matchups a poke fest. You shuffle at around midrange and throw out moves till one of you gets enough meter for a somewhat fuzzy setup and continue this dance for the rest of the match. Since a lot of character's moves are made so completely unsafe, it really restricts movesets and makes it much harder to express yourself in the game. What's more, since you have to rely solely on crossups and bait to be "safe" it either means that someone is still "turtling" for that perfect opening or they're being far too reckless and sloppy with their approach if only to throw the opponent off.

Of course, this is assuming you're playing against people who can parry reliably in a lot of situations, meaning that it only really affects the mid-high to high levels of play.

>>384450037
Are you planning to lower damage, give v cancels crazy scaling or just have everyone die in two combos?

>>384449962

Well unlike the shitposters in this thread, I actually do play and know about the games i'm talking about.

Another thing I should have mentioned is that once you are stunned, your stun meter gets increased to 31, then it goes to 32 and keeps going up 1 point every time you are stunned. Currently nobody has been able to find any values higher than 35 and so it appears that 35 is the absolute max but it doesn't really matter if there's a higher value or not because most of the time due to the high damage nature of ST most characters are already KO.

Game is old but people are still digging up info on it.

>>384450389
So why do I sometimes see people get one combo stuns and others they don't. DJ comes to mind.

>>384450529

Are you talking about Dee Jay's Machine Gun Upper?

Dee Jay's Machine Gun Upper has two different versions and is one of the few moves in the game that can instant stun alone. One where you mash properly and one where you didn't mash properly but still get the move to come out. The failed mash version only counts to stun twice. The proper mashed version will have the hits count to stun four times.

You have to button mash to get the MAXIMUM value but there's a particular way of button mashing to get it. Easiest move in the game to get almost guaranteed instant stun is Honda's HHS.

Street Fighter III has objectively and immesurably more depth. The problem is that you need to be very highly skilled at the game in order to enjoy that depth. That's why the game flopped. Sure, if you are willing to put hours upon hours of yout life, day after day to master the game; then you will get more out of Street Fighter III than probably any other fighting game ever made. If you aren't, then you're not going to have a lot of fun.

Street Fighter V is the complete opposite. It's a demonstrably more shallow, far less complex game; but when it comes to ease of use and accessability the game is the cutting edge of the genre! It removes almost all execution barriers by utilising an input buffer, eliminating 1-frame links and making even the most difficult of combos executable with relative ease (the most difficult to play character in this game is Karin). V-Skills, V-Reversals and V-Triggers are remarlably simple to access; making it exceptionally easy to utilise all of your characters' tools. And by removing stuff like Street Fighter IV's Focus Attack system along with Focus Attack Dash Cancelling; it even successfully manages to compress the skill-gap between players! Street Fighter V is not a game about reacting to moves or executing the most sifficult combos; rather it's a game about reading your opponnent's actions and outsmarting them - the closest a fighting game has come to true mind games since the original Soul Calibur. In street Fighter V, you never feel like you will never be as good at the game as the guy who just wiped the floor with you, rather you just feel like you got outsmarted. You'll outsmart the other guy next time.

If you are at a very high level in fighting games it probably isn't as fun for you as earlier entries in the series; but if you aren't then it's the most fun you can have in a fighting game today!

And there are certainly far more people in the world who don't excel at fighting games than there are people who do!

>>384451618
This kind of simplofication and streamlining is the gold standard of gamr design: make a game that everyone, not just skilled players, can enjoy! You can see this is every genre; how accessability gives way to greater success and acclaim. Compare the depth and success of Team Fortress Classic to that of Team Fortress 2. Or that of classic arena shoothers to that of Overwatch. I can go on: from Starcraft to League of Legends, from Bioshock to Bioshock Infinite, from Dark Souls to Bloodborne, from hardcore racing games to Mario Kart, the complete irrelevancy of Virtua Fighter, etcetera: accesability always Trumps complexity.

>>384451618
>>384451869
lmao

they are both trash for basically opposite reasons

>>384451618
I'm a casual fag though and I like 3S and USFIV much more than SFV desu

I don't get this whole "Casuals will like SFV! It's for a broad audience!" thing.

its funny how everyone was the same when sf4 got released, give this game 2 more years and everyone will praise sf5

>>384449545
Every other game Arika have ever made has been dogshit so probably not no

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>>384452392
Its already beginning. PR Baldrog was one of the most vocal SFV haters.

I fucking love SFV, won't even lie.
I'm really low IQ, lazy, and generally a poor sport over all so mostly just resign myself to only watching others play.

Never will understand how anyone can play a fighting game like its an MMO, or FPS an just sit there for hours all day getting your ass handed to you.
Shit drives me fucking crazy.

>>384452392

I actually like SFV more than SF4. Problem is I can't play the game because shit doesn't recognise my fight stick.

>>384452832
on PC?
xpadder should do the trick.

>>384452539
wtf i hate ex layer now

>>384453218

Yeah on PC but it just flat out refuses to detect my stick. I can joy2key and put it in as keyboard inputs but that works fine on my setup. If I want to go to meetups and play that's a big a problem for me with an invalid stick.

>>384453738
an adapter might do the trick.

>>384453727
>now
No one ever liked those shitty games, they were universally panned.

>>384453896
EX + Alpha was my introduction to Street Fighter

>>384405835
third strike is the perfect game

>>384454026
You have my sympathies

>>384454327
But it's [fun]spoiler[/fun].

>>384408763
Yeah buddy, Abigail sure is an "interesting" character

>>384454440
[fun]No[/fun].

>>384454754
[kys]4u[/kys]

>>384406019
What's up with Revelator being low tier ?

>>384455136
>1 button grab
>roman cancels
>no neutral
>unreactable overheads
>any form of burst in a fighter is auto kusoge

Time freezing cancels and bursts are cancer.