Will this game finally surpass Sonic Adventure 2 Battle as the

Sonic Adventure 2 Battle isn't even the best Sonic game. Sonic 3 and Knuckles is.
But Mania is gonna be up there on the quality scale.

>>384345308
No because adventurefags consider Adventure 2 Battle to be the best Sonic game and this doesn't suit them. Classic fans consider 3 & Knuckles to be the best Sonic game ever created and Mania could surpass it.

>>384345365
While Sonic 3 & Knuckles has great things about it I feel Sonic 2 is a better game overall.

Sonic Adventure 2 is dildos though.

>>384345308
You mean S3K and CD.

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>>384345521
>Sonic 2 is a better game overall.
It's not, I know it was your first Sonic but that doesn't make it the best.

Just further proof Adventurefags are all GC toddlers.

>>384345308
SA2 was a massive downgrade in level design from SA1 which is the only great 3D Sonic. And even the greatest 3D Sonic has at least 7 other Sonic games that beat it, 90's games all them.

But Mania wil be the first truly great Sonic game this century.

How many days?

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>>384346714
No.

>>384347052
28 or so days.

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???????

>>384346589
Sonic 2 has a better special stages and some debatably better music

>>384347229
Hydrocity's down there.

>>384347257
Nah it goes like this:
Blue Spheres>UFOs>Half pipe>Rotating maze

>>384347229
Why do people ask obvious questions.

Robotnik is in the hole. We all saw him fall down!

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>>384347229
Angel Island is NOT under fucking Green Hill.

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Angel Island will come out of the hole and blow away geography fags, this will happen, search your hearts.

but in all honesty, Robotnik is coming out of the hole, but in a bigger mech, go watch where he falls when you defeat him

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>>384347229
>yfw second zone is actually Death Egg

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>Millennials consider Adventure 2 shit just because of a game made when they were still in diapers (2006)

Fuck you guys,

What hole is everyone talking about?

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>>384347502
how do you know? maybe sometime after 3&K it landed under Green Hill. Only one who knows for sure is Knuckles and that knucklehead won't tell us

>>384347731
It isn't worth it anon, just stay ignorant until we find out at release date. You've no idea the arguments anons have

>>384347439
I actually enjoy the rotating maze the best and the blue sphere the least.

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>>384347229

The problem with this being a level transition is that it's a choice. It begs the question, what happens if you -don't- fall? Do you honestly believe you'd go to a different stage?

Going by videos from the events the robot seems a bit too hard for many people for being the first stage boss, so I think if you fall down while fighting it (at the end of the land stretch) you'd probably trigger an easier phase 2 instead.

I trust Taxman but I don't see anything too crazy coming out of this.

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>>384347731
When you beat the first boss in Green Hill it makes a hole, Taxman talks about it here.

>>384347857
After you pop the capsule at the end of the zone, a cinematic will play like in 3&K to go to the next zone. Could jump down the hole, could not. We'll know in less then a month.

>>384347857
>what happens if you -don't- fall
>implying you'll have choice
It'll just play a cutscene like in 3&K, m8.

>>384345308
> no Chao Garden
> No memetic voice work

Not possible

>>384347865
>you can't actually fall down that hole

So the level transition, which there will be a cutscene for, has to take place, and something has to happen. Robotic comes back out the whole, grabs sonic, throws his ass up to angel island?

You also have to remember sonic can't just run right into the next level, as there is ANOTHER giant hole to the right which the boss can push you off of if you don't defeat him fast enough

IT ALL LEADS TO THE FUCKING HOLE

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>>384347731
This specific hole to the left.

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>>384347692
>millenials
>diapers
>2006

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>everyone falls down hole
>*death sound*

>>384347928
>>384347947

So falling while fighting would mean you can just skip the bossfight? I don't buy this.
Unless it kills you like it does in Angel Island but from the way Taxman phrased I thought he meant falling there during the fight.

>>384347257
Sonic 2 easily has the worst special stages of the entire series.

>>384347692
>Gamecube toddlers calling anyone underaged

>>384347692

I'm 29 and I'm a millennial, do you even know how that shit works?

>>384348135
The Taxman remake made them a lot more tolerable.

>>384347439
UFO's?

>>384348135
I don't know how you can think that

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I finally saw the Green Hill Act 2 boss.

>that Sonic 2 final boss in the first fucking zone
>that fucking boss music
>those animations on Robotnik when he comes down
>that laugh he does

Goddamn, this looks so fucking good. I already got spoiled of the MBM boss inclusion so I should probably stay clear of these threads

>>384347967

AHHHHHHHHHH THE FUCKING HOLE

>>384348227
UFOs are from Sonic CD.

Considering the hype, I hope it fails.

>>384348391
why

>>384348391
Don't be such a scrooge

>>384348089
>falling while fighting
The hole ONLY appears when you beat the boss.

You can't fall down the hole, so the end of Act 2 probably triggers a cutscene of Sonic looking down the hole only to be grabbed by Robotnik and flung to the next stage, whatever it may be.

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>>384348391

>>384348391
Keep dreaming, TORtard.

>>384348475

Nope, the stretch of land ends with a cliff if the player takes long enough.

>>384348572
a cliff is not a hole moron

>>384348572
Yeah, which kills you if fall in. Taxman was specifically talking about the hole the boss makes after you beat it.

IT LITERALLY HAS TO BE LABYRINTH OR A NEW STAGE

THEY ARE IN SOUTH ISLAND

HYDRO IS RETARDED WHAT THE FUCK ANGEL IS IN THE SKY

I can't believe people unironically think SA2 is a good game. The only good Sonic games are 2, 3&K, CD, Colors and Generations.

In Sonic Adventure 2 like 2/3 of the levels are trash.

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>>384347857
>Going by videos from the events the robot seems a bit too hard for many people for being the first stage boss, so I think if you fall down while fighting it (at the end of the land stretch) you'd probably trigger an easier phase 2 instead.
I think you're confused, the hole at the very end kills you. The hole people are talking about is the one Robotnik makes after you destroy the Death Egg Robot which you can see here >>384348015

>>384348680
>Colors
...Nah.

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>fall down the hole
>land in Death Egg Zone
>game zooms out, Green HIll Zone is but a speck of green dirt on a giant Death Egg Planet
>Sonic is in the heart of it in the second level of the game
>Geography fags eternally blown the fuck out for at least 2 to 3 weeks

it'll be labyrinbth zone and there is nothing we can do to stop it, we're playing that shit fucking level some way or the other. hopefully taxman makes the slide gimmick super fun

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>>384348358
oh, I guess I forgot

Also I found this old commercial

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>>384348662
We've been over this already.

>>384348652
>>384348630
>>384348684

It's pretty much the same hole, I bet if you kill him right at the edge it'd even make a big one instead.

Point is that we can't know for sure because that was just a press demo. Since it takes a considerable time to get there I'm thinking that you can actually just skip the boss now, this seems too difficult for new players and it'd be a crutch.

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Hmm... Why didn't Sonic do so well over in Jap--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6GQKg1HkKc

MAKE IT GO AWAY MOTHER, MAKE IT GO AWAY

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>>384348768
Speaking of that commercial, I saw this posted in another thread.

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>>384348912
>even uses the same color scheme

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>Fall down the hole
>Green Hill Zone Act 3
>They have been hiding 3 acts for every zone since the reveal

>>384347692
I thought it was fine when I played it when it came out. I bought the HD version when it came out and couldn't believe how badly it had aged. Controlling Sonic/Shadow doesn't feel that good, it's like they weigh as much as a car and the homing jump might hurt you or might hurt the enemy, completely random. The Knuckles & Rouge sections had the worst camera I've seen in any 3D game, seriously I'm not exaggerating, it was hell. Also the levels themselves were not fun to play and the Robotnik/Tales levels were also pretty shit.

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>>384348864
They has decent commercials

>>384348912
yup seems Mania day was an event

>>384347257
Sonic 2 has worse special stages than 1, cd, or 3k

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>>384348738
This. Can we stop pretending the best aspect of Colors isn't completely overshadowed by 2d gimmick shit? Why Sonic Team isn't focusing on fleshing out the boost gameplay more instead of adding stupid gimmicks is beyond me. Generations is at least alright (in terms of the modern stages) while Forces looks like a watered down generations

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>>384345308
I'm the lore autist from a few threads ago, and I stayed up all night making this just for you faggots. Does it need any amendments?

>>384348993
>Fall down hole
>Unlocks Amy

>>384345308
But anon, S3K is the best. SA2 is the best 3D game despite its numerous flaws.

>>384349062
I appreciate your effort making that.

>>384348738
Colors is great, yeah it has sections where you don't go fast but they are well designed to be enjoyable platforming and there are enough fast sections to balance it off. It's a good game, not just a "good for a Sonic title" game.

>>384348864
>>384348864
I can see why new Sonic flops because of the 'tude but the old ones had kind of a odd innocence to them with that nice Dreams Come True music and psychedelic backgrounds.

Maybe japs just hate platformers because eternal shit taste.

>>384349039
But the 2D segments were great, really solid level design. How is good 2D platforming a gimmick now? Boost to win segments are okay in smaller doses but get boring fast.

>>384349386
>But the 2D segments were great, really solid level design
Subtlety is a lost art.

>>384349386
THE LEVEL DESIGN IS SO FUCKING BLOCKY

>>384348680
1 is still leaps and bounds beyond colors and generations, if for no other reason than that it got the physics right and took advantage of them for half of its zones, which are thus better than anything in generations. The other half of the zones in 1 even still play like colors with better physics: blocky as fuck platforming.

>>384348803
If you want to be comprehensive you should add the push able rocks from angel island appearing in ghz

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I've been 100% hyped for this game since day 1, but I finally have a nitpick. SCORE, TIME, and RINGS don't flash when you hit a boss. Dropped.

>>384348227
>I don't know how you can think that
Not that Anon but I gotta agree with him, at least for the classic games. They're essentially auto-scrollers where you just go left & right to collect rings & dodge some bombs where as 1, 3K & CD gave you control to beat the special stage as fast as you can based on your skill (more-so 1 & CD than 3K, but it still holds some truth to 3K since it's all on you knowing the path, plus you get faster over time). For a Sonic game that really drags the pacing down so you rarely want to collect them.

>>384348162
I was actually surprised when I had to do a presentation on generational conflict and found out what millenials actually are. The Internet has completely butchered the original definition.

>>384349062
Just a couple spelling and grammar issues. Otherwise it's pretty good.

>>384349062
Thank you, this is good stuff.

>>384349062
typo in SA2

grammatical error in Sonic Advance

odd sentence structure and lore error in Sonic Battle

please add the oxford comma to Sonic Rush

>>384349632
That's amazingly picky. That only happened because of the Genesis hardware rendering a bit weird when the boss flashed when you hit him.

>>384349805
>That's amazingly picky.
Just a joke anon. Though it was a side effect that I always liked.

>>384349632
I didn't even know they were supposed to.

>>384349637
That's a major simplification those special stages aren't just move left and right, Sonic also has a lot of weight, he can fall from the sky, and has momentum built up moving from left to right.

You do need to be fast as you have to account for the momentum and the weight as well as gravity, calling it a simple move left/right mini-game is just flat out wrong. It would be like calling Sonic 1 an artistic expression of holding right.

>>384349923
They weren't.

>>384345308

Only 1/3 of SA2 is good. The current frontrunners for best are S3+K and Battle.

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>>384349532
>tfw they traded more open ended levels and physics based platforming for hallways and more automation.
SA1 Sonic > SA2 Sonic. 2 might control better but 1 has better physics and remembered that exploration was a part of Sonic's charm

>>384350126
>The 1/3rd meme

It's more like 4/6 and that's only because Rogue exists. and Tails stages save for Eternal Engine are all piss easy. If you hate Knuckles you literally had the Emerald spawn under one of those falling crushers or no soul.

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>>384345308
>Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
>best Sonic game ever created

Blind nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

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>>384350126
>Only 1/3
Overstatement, the Sonic/Shadow levels had their shares of problems and bosses were mostly awful.

>>384346589
I really dislike Sonic 3's stage design. Marble Garden is enough to bring it below Sonic 2 for me.

>>384350757
What's wrong with Marble Garden? Do you not like how sloped it is?

>>384350126
I don't know why this "1/3 of sa2 is good" meme persists. Even that third is a shallow, linear approximation of classic into 2D, making the same dumb errors as sa1 and more.

But it has a saving grace that sonics other "best of the modern console games" lack: the Chao garden as a unifying thread that relegated the various shallow game play styles to the role they're fit for: mini games. Treasure hunting and mech shooting dont belong in my sonic, and scripted linear shit is bad, but when they're all just different mini games for collecting animals and rings, their crappiness feels a lot more acceptable. The bar of game play depth for mini games is low. The 2p mode is also a killer way to make something fun out of these shallow game play experiences. Imagine 2p racing in a boost game!

If you're not about that Chao shit, though (and nothing about it necessitates that a fan of classic sonic game play should be about that Chao shit; I just so happen to be) then not even 1/3 of it is good.

t. Classic fag who had an adventurecuck phase in the 00's

>>384350549
Just so we're clear, I was comparing Sonic 1 to colors and generations, not adventure 1

>>384350757
>I really dislike Sonic 3's stage design
Then you're a faggot.
>Marble Garden is enough to bring it below Sonic 2 for me.
Oh but fucking Oil Ocean, Metropolis, Sky Chase, Wing Fortress and Death Egg are fine. Wanna find out how I know your first experience with Sonic was during Christmas of 1992 when you first got your Genesis with Sonic 2 on it?

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>>384349153
>>384349664
>>384349710
Added fixes and improved it
>>384349803
What's the oxford comma? And where's the lore error, I'm using the term android because that's basically what a Gizoid is.

Anyone feel free to make edits, repost and add details.

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>>384347257

>>384348998
>Controlling Sonic/Shadow doesn't feel that good, it's like they weigh as much as a car

The new 3D Sonic games are much worse.

>>384348747
Labyrinth Zone has the best music in the entirety of Sonic media. I'm glad it's back for that reason alone.

>>384351389
Scrap Brain and Starlight had better music and that's just the first game.

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>>384350950
How come Sonic Team never made a Chao Garden game? it's the only thing people remember fondly of SA2 that still lives up.

>>384349062
>weaponized autism

I say this with all my love, anon.

Mania is just that, it is using autism for the greater good.

>>384351641
I have no idea why they haven't just done a Chao Garden mobage yet.

>>384351389

That's not Hot Crater.

>>384351465
Scrap Brain's music is the best in Sonic 1

>>384351128
Well, you don't have to watch the timer in any of those stages. I guess there are people who want Sonic to be more like a sprawling metroidvania rather than a platforming obstacle course, but I cant excuse shit like Marble Garden, Carnival Night, and Sandopolis.
Why would anyone have a problem with Death Egg Zone in Sonic 2 anyway? Death Egg in Sonic 3&K is more than understandable, but in Sonic 2 it's the final boss. The only ones there I can understand hate for is Metropolis, and Oil Ocean.

And your projection about my first experience with Sonic manages to be wrong on every account, it's actually impressive.

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>>384351389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBITnBK2zCg

>>384351726
Good choice.
>>384351684
>it is using autism for the greater good.
Then how is Forces using it?
>>384351694
The combination of autism + gacha would be ludicrously profitable, why hasn't Sega realised yet?

>>384351872
Forces is doing the complete opposite, it is being the chris chan of autism, the bad side of autism. Mania is weaponized autism, using it for the grreater good.

>>384351872
Forces is abusing it. Not treating it kindly.
All it looks like so far is a more janky Generations with a not well done SatAM flavor.

>>384351389
>>384351756

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbygcFhV784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNKvTdv0cH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYL_XCmn_78

>>384351775
Sprawling metroidvania and platforming obstacle course aren't mutually exclusive.

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>>384349972
I simplified it since going into detail about them wasn't what apart of my main goal when pointing out what I disliked about it, I know there is more to it than what I stated. If we want to get detailed about this then I can mention how the special stages work.
>Sonic 1 has Sonic controlling with his normal ball-physics always while the stage around him rotates with you avoiding goal posts, things that reverse the rotation, you landing on diamond blocks to destroy them & you speeding up/slowing down the rotations
>3K having it so collect blue spheres, it having you jump at the right time over red spheres, hitting springs, bumpers and going around the outer ledges to turn the spheres into rings faster (the level design of these special stages vary as well from linear-based ones to more explorative-based ones)
>Sonic CD's UFOs having it so you jump at the right time depending on your speed, avoiding water so your time doesn't go down quickly, you hitting things that can damage you on the floor, bumpers and you gaining items from the UFOs.

Anyways, now that I've acknowledged how they all have depth to them I was just trying to get across that no matter how good you are at Sonic 2's special stages you'll always be finishing them at the exact same time unlike all the other classic special stages since you don't control where Sonic goes completely (as in you don't control him going to a goal/emerald or whatever you're collecting/destroying) & he just keeps running automatically with your focus being on going left, right & etc with what you mentioned and this can effect the pacing of the game making it drag. At the very least they drag to me, it doesn't help that with you not controlling Sonic going forward they made it so the special stages in Sonic 2 are decently long as well with them taking from 1 and a half minutes to 2 and a half minutes. Maybe if there was more variety in things to collect/avoid I'd be more into them since 3K's can be a bit long also.

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>>384348391

I hope Forces fails horribly while Mania ends up a hit.

>>384352078
I hope this too, but it'll be the opposite.

>>384351931
You could say that Forces is also using weaponised autism, but aiming it badly.
>>384351963
I realised that the majority of 2D Sonic games are more enjoyable to play, and that he'll never hit a consistent level of quality aside from Generations, but even that's a bit too on-rails for me. I'd like the character creator to have a robot option, but that looks unlikely.

>>384351991
8-bit Labyrinth was so groovy god damn

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>>384352120
>Mania
>fails horribly

>>384352120
Don't think so. I was pretty excited for a potential evolution of Generations but I'm getting a 06fied Colors. This won't be favored by anyone but rabid drones and 06 kids.

>>384352120
>it'll be the opposite
If you blatantly ignore numbers from past 3D/2D games and hail from the bizarro dimension, maybe.

>>384351872
Sega hates money and loves to drop the ball it's what they're best at

>>384351775

>Well, you don't have to watch the timer in any of those stages.

????

The only stage that the timer can be remotely an issue is Carnival 2.

>>384352338
Awesome, when was the new Clayfighters announced?

>>384352432
Like a year ago.

>>384352338
Who asked for a gay version of Hulk?

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Here me out guys.

So we all know that Blue Spheres might be in the game in some way, right? I mean, you can see in this picture >>384347865 that there is a shot with the cyan shaded Sonic in one of them but Taxman confirmed that they won't be the game's Special Stages.

But then how about the Bonus Stages? Remember how in Sonic 3 every time you hit a checkpoint, depending on your number of rings you'd get one out of 3 bonus stages? Well, that's a place they could put the blue spheres in, adding rings/items as rewards somehow. In fact, they could also add S1/2's stages there too since as I said before S3K had 3 in total.

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>>384352120
I feel as though Forces will have better sales since it's 3D & physical in stores but Mania won't fail I'm pretty sure about. It's being advertised decently well on social media & it's only $20 (10% off on Steam even), I also feel as though it'll have better reviews (especially based on this image) which can influence some people to buy it.

>>384352790
>Who says that's Sonic Mania running on the second screen? NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY? NO WAY!

>>384352790
Good idea, but Sonic extreme will be the special stage to mania, look it up.

>>384352874
Did they even gave a reason why they rewarded Forces?

>>384351465
Lol good memes

>>384352992
Pity.

>>384352120
I was interested in Forces but with the direction it's taking everything I'll probably wait until it's on sale or something. I'm going to buy Mania on release for sure (at least that's the plan).

>>384349062
Since Cream the rabbit appears in the Adventure DX remaster as a cameo wouldn't that effect the timeline a little? Probably not important since Sonic doesn't interact with her but thought it was worth mentioning

>>384352989

That doesn't contradict what I said at all.

Bonus Stages != Special Stages

Hell, in the footage we have already seen both giant rings and checkpoint stars so we know 100% both are in.

>>384345432

There's no way Mania will surpass S3+K. Shorter game, worse OST, and Angel Island > Green Hill.

>>384353219
it only takes into account the original Adventure games so the remasters don't count

>>384352874
>10% off on steam
>people will still pirate it

>>384353353

Hello future man, can you tell use what the S3 stage is?

>>384349632
They didn't in Sonic 1 & CD also, only in 2, 3 & Knuckles.

>>384348475
>no Gunstar Heroes' sevenforcesque boss fight

Just kill me

Mania is priced too low, this is why people are writing it off as a fangame. It should have been $30.

>>384353449
Hydrocity

>>384353353
>Shorter game
But it's been confirmed to be the longest Classic game yet. >>384347865

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>>384353353
>Shorter game
Mania's confirmed to be the biggest classic Sonic game ever.

>worse OST
You're on fucking crack.

Also can't do this in 3&K.

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>>384353540
GEOGRAPHYFAGS BTFO HYDROBROS TIME TO CELEBRATE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR3Eh_516JQ

>>384353493
It's been a while since I played the genesis version of 1. I know they don't do it even in Taxman's Sonic 2. Had to double check if they did in the original 2.

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>>384353693

>Hydrocity in means it's guaranteed to be the second stage

Not so fast!

So what is Taxman's favorite Sonic game anyways?

>>384353592
To be fair 3K has some amazing tracks. Personally while I think Lopes does good work I don't think it'll surpass JP CD in terms of music.

>>384345432
Adventure fag here. Between the two, Sonic Adventure is the better game, and Sonic 3 & K tops all.

>>384348078
Selbi pls leave.

>>384353529
THIS. -AND- should of had physical.

>>384353574
Can we trust Iizuka? He's a known idiot and he's probably forgotten how many stages 3K had. Or if he's even factoring the two games combined at all.

>>384348680
>Forgetting the entirety of the 8-bit lineup
>Including Colors
Shit taste, desu.

>hate Sonic CD US music, prefer JP so much
>find this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYTedTVAdeY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWl61PYDyhA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KT1vvNvfw4

What the fuck I love US now, those voices are god tier

bad future is a little lewd honestly.

>>384354547
Tidal Tempest had the best US tracks.

>>384354547
I always liked both soundtracks

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>>384354547
CD's JP soundtrack is my favorite soundtrack out there but the US tracks of Tidal Tempest are also pretty fucking sexy to the ears, I wish more tracks were similar & as great in quality as them in the US soundtrack (not that I dislike the US one necessarily).

>>384353529
I feel like people would have just complained about the price then. A physical copy would have been nice though, was the only thing that prevented me from buying the special edition.

>>384348662
Show me where it's stated that Mania takes place on South Island. Oh wait, you can't.

Now, this is purely speculation, but I feel that the setting will be a man-made (Eggman made?) island (the Sonic Head shape one in the Mania title screen, no less), where Eggman, has made biomes or something similar based on on past areas where he's been defeated by Sonic and co.

The new stages are Eggman puffing out his ego, while also trying to work out future scenarios where he could potentially beat Sonic.

>>384354547

US isn't complete trash, but it just doesn't hold a candle when JP has things like Collision Chaos (pre), Stardust Speedway (pre) or Metallic Madness (fut).

>>384351775
Anon here that likes the sprawling levels. How the heck do you ever have to watch the timer in S3&K? I spend like 6 minutes fumbling around each level before I eventually make it to the boss room. Either you can't read directional cues, or you never do anything to bolster your speed.

Do you say it like "Hydro City" or "Hidrosittie"?

>>384354896

That's retarded, Chemical Plant has an entire fucking city behind it. Besides, one of the selling points is that we are -returning- to stages and seeing what time did to them, hence the vines in Stardust Speedway.

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>>384354896
>entire act 2s are remixed, using features from future and old levels
>IT FOLLOWS GEOGRAPHY YOU LITERALLY CANNOT REFUTE THIS REEEE HYDROCITY CAN NEVER BE UNDER GH IT IS ON ANGEL ISLAND REEE

geofags will never accept that this game is maniafied

however, it is fun to argue and speculate

>>384355030
I think it's supposed to be Hydro City, but the latter sounds cooler.

>>384354321
Taxman himself keeps stressing that Mania is a big game, so yes, you can trust him on that.

>>384348391
/v/ in a nutshell

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>>384351775
3 & Knuckles isn't CD, Anon, you never have to worry about the timer even when you go out of your way to explore (and I love exploring personally, it's why I like CD a lot). I only ever ran out of time due to that stupid ass barrel in Carnival Night Act.2 as a kid.

>>384355030
Later games called it Hydro City, so presumably it's the former. Hydrocity sounds much radder, though.

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>>384355030
Japanese name confirms "Hydro City" when translated.

>>384355073
Did you ever consider that Mania's act 2s take place in a never before visited part of these stages? Like in Green Hill's case, deeper in the mountains. Basically you have no argument.

>>384353353
I agree with you in that it won't surpass S3K because of all the rehashes taking away some points, but all the reasons you actually listed are kinda shit.

>>384355537
I would agree if they didn't start exactly the same as previous levels and then the further you progress they turn into maniafied stuff. if they started completely new, I would agree, but they don't, so, once again, whatever batshit insane magic takes place to change the geo etc.

>>384355537
Sonic 1 (Master System) had act 2 taking place underground, and it has the same background as mania's underground textures

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Im tired of waiting,i cant hold it anymore,im gonna fucking play 1,2,3&k and cd and see how well the hold up

>>384355864
I did the same. They all hold up great except CD.

>>384355910

Dd you go after the machines? I completely changed my opinion of the game after I did.

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>>384355537
>>384355796
Didn't they say early on that these remixed stages are supposed to represent the area changing over time since Sonic has last been there?

>>384355910
>cd
>holding up worse than 1

Sonic Adventure 2 is a shitstain.

Sonic 2
Sonic Generations
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Colors
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic 4 Episode II
Sonic 1
Sonic Unleashed
Sonic 4 Episode I
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic 2006
Secret Rings
Sonic Heroes

Haven't played Black Knight or Lost World or Boom yet, but I doubt I'm missing out.

>>384356023
Taxman did, yes. And you faggot's need to stop forgetting about that.

>>384349062

I think it should Sonic 3D. I know it fits into the "doesn't conflict with the main games but has not real impact" category but I feel like the inclusion of Flickies' Island is a bit of cool world building. All the birds that Sonic frees from badniks actually live in another dimension and are only seen in Sonic's world a few months a year. The rest of the time they migrate thought the rings on Flickies' Island.

>>384355864
I've replayed 3&K a lot lately. It's the one I've replayed the most out of them all.

>>384347439
>UFOs in second place
nigger what are you on. those levels were awful
The knuckles Chaotix special stages were WAY better

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Keep this quiet you fucks.

Nothing has been shown of this game, you've no idea what is coming.

>>384356391
>I never played the definite version of CD

>>384356437
>Sky Sanctuary
>Flying Battery has been confirmed as the Sonic & Knuckles returnee

Try again.

>>384356437
You need to work more on your MS Paint skills.

>>384356437
needs more blur

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>>384356513

This post really made me think.

>>384356437
Where's the HUD

>>384356437
That's just the beginning of Sonic 3&K's sky sanctuary, I recognise the curve.

Good bait though

>>384356437
omg sky sanctuary???

>>384356437
>Nothing has been shown of this game
That's wrong, footage has been shown multiple times over the past year.

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>>384356437
I have a leak also.

>>384353574

Longer than generations*****

>>384356647

But that Sonic running sprite and the 1-up HUD is from Manias though.

And all the classic levels start off with the same geography as the original versions

Leaker here.

>>384356516
>>384356513
>>384356572
>>384356647

Oh you sweet, sweet summer children.

I'll give you this and only this, because even if I tell you how I got these, you wouldn't believe me.

You know your whole double dip theory?

Try triple.

>>384356783
Nope, read the bottom of the image, it was later confirmed to be longer than any classic game as well.

>>384356781
>Final Fever background

Can someone stop the meme that this is happening? It was a stupid idea and should be forgotten.

>>384356834
Record a video with actual gameplay and maybe we'll believe you.

>>384356781
Leaker here, this is fake.

but oddly accurate for what is it come.

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>>384356437
Just show me a leak of Hydrocity Zone, please.

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>>384356834

>>384356834
I saw that other spoilered image.

>Two ___ Hill Zones in one game

As before, try again.

>>384347086
Okay. Let me move my goalposts a little. Only great 3D main series game, meaning a platformer. I have to admit that is a top notch spinoff (if you play it on a decent platform unlike your pic related), even though I'd forgotten about it.

>>384356807
Mania updated the sprites, however.
That's just 3&K's Sky Sanctuary with a mania overlay (notice the unchanged background and only slight shading on the floor)
>>384356834
The Emerald Hill is the exact same, it's just a mania overlay over EHZ's map.

If you're going to try fooling people, try harder

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>>384347865
>S2Beta/Sonic Retro
SonicTweaker, remember all the times that we shared.
Banning people like you never cared, and all the rom hacks that you made.
Never made you closer to being laid.

What a joke of a forum.

>>384357008
>>384357256

Who said that was Emerald Hill Zone? You're about to have your fucking mind blown, buddy. I've never been more excited for a game to release just to see the fan reactions.

>>384357358
Here's your (You).

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don't mind me, just being the most bland and forgettable zone in classic sonic history

>>384357312
>Reminder that Tweaker is a pedophile

>>384349062
I hate to out autism a genuine autist, but Sonic 3 does not follow directly on from Sonic 2. That's something that the English language manual writers pulled out of their bum and is not present in the actual 'canon' events.

Not that anyone should give a toss about cartoon hedgehog canon but if you're gonna make a chart about this crap then don't go being wrong.

>>384357358
I am surprised, but I'm only surprised at the fact that you're still trying this hard.

>>384357504
That's not Bridge Zone, Jungle Zone, Aqua Lake, Gigaopolis, Sleeping Egg or Crystal Egg.

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>>384357632
MY CANON LORE ABOUT RUNNING FAST HEDGEHOGS GEOGRAPHY GET OUT NORMIE REEEEEEEEEEE

>>384357312
>>384357618
What happened to "Dustin Wyatt's Epic Adventure"?

>>384357504
This used to be my favourite stage in sonic 2 when i was young,the song is catchy and i like sky/cloudish stages

The most forgettable imo is launch base zone,i had to search the fucking name

>>384357680
>Bridge Zone
People don't forget Bridge Zone though, at least due to it's music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uazL8HejVJ8

>>384357728
>Christian Whitehead
>Not a sonic lore turbo autist

Are you sure buddy?

>>384357886
Well he did like Sonic enough to basically rebuild the entire classic physics engine from scratch while also ending up actually better then the original engine.

>>384357871
That's all it's known for

>>384357680
>>384357474

Alright, because we find you all cute and you've made us laugh silly with the hole meme, last and final bit, take it for what you will.

There are in-between levels, small cut scenes that run through zones that didn't make it in. See the comic panels of that Tyson Heese Mega drive comic, every time they go to a new zone in that comic, you'll get a giant picture of that entire place. Based off that, but in a cut scene form.

>>384356926
...

>>384358068
It's also all what Jungle is known for as well.

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>>384358120
>...
Don't you destroy my hopes.

>>384357886
I can't argue that

he literally went so autism that he surpassed sega, he went full dragon ball Z god tier

>>384358196
maybe he didnt say anything because you are right

>>384357761
Nothing 'came' of it.

These threads remind me of the pre release generations threads. Thats the last time I saw such optimistic hype, joy, fun, and togethernes, for a sonic game at least. It's nice I wish /v/ was like this more often

>>384358439
autism love is the purest form of love

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>>384356834
>>384356605
>>384356437

-HUD in the incorrect font.
-HUD too close for that position on the screen even on 4:3, let alone 16:9.
-Pixels missing from Sonic's shoes.
-Semi-transparent pixels on photoshopped rings.
-Identical backgrounds despite Green Hill showing reworked art. Straight ripped from the first frame of Emerald Hill.

Trash attempt. 100% fake. Find a hobby you're better at.

>>384356834

>Triple dip
>2Hills1Hedgehog

Nope.

>>384346714
>downgrade in level design

lol please

There's a reason why there are more memorable stages from SA2 than SA1. Hell I bet you can't even name them all off the top of your head.

>>384358439
The Generations threads were fun. I agree these ones basically feel the same.

>>384359121
Emerald Coast
Windy Hill
Casinopolis
Speed Highway
Red Mountain
Ice Cap
Twinkle Park
Lost World
Hot Shelter
Sky Deck
Final Egg

I'm bored of talking Mania, what returning stages do you think Forces will bring back?

>>384359121
SA1's level progression also made no fucking sense. There was never a reason or hints given to go to any of the stages besides Emerald Coast. The intertwined stories were done a lot better in SA2 instead of just being short random cameos like in SA1. The fact that 4 of the 6 characters shared some of the same boss battles were also completely dumb. Hell you fight Chaos 5 3 times. And the Chao Garden was worse than SA2, absolute fact.

Adventurefags don't even know which Adventure game is the best one.

>>384359530
You forgot Sand Hill, faggot

>>384359121
I havent played these ganes in years. This is all coming off the top of my head.

SA1
>Emerald coast
>Windy valley
>Casino(something)
>Ice Cap
>Twinkle Park
>Red Mountain
>Sky Deck
>Hot Shelter
>Lost World
>Final Egg

SA2
>City Escape
>Radical Highway
>Metal Harbor
>Green Forest(?)
>White Jungle(?)
>Final Chase(?)
>That one level in the pyramid
>Sky Rail
>Pumpkin Hill
>Forgot the rest

>>384357871
Why does everyone love the Bridge music? It's dull as.

>>384360070
SHIT I FORGOT SPEED HIGHWAY HOWWWWW

>>384360070
>That one level in the pyramid
Pyramid Cave?

>>384356437
(You)

>>384360070
Metal Harbor is the level I remember the most from SA2

>>384360070
forgot security hall and mad space

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I will post this in every Sonic thread until mania comes out.
>Green Hill
>Hydrocity
>Studiopolis
>Chemical Plant
>Flying Battery
>Mirage Saloon
>Mystic Cave
>Labyrinth
>Azure Lake
>Icecap
>Quartz Quadrant
>Brand new Radioactive themed level
>Lava Reef
>Hidden Palace (A mix of S2 + S&K Only if you get all Emeralds by the time you finish Lava Reef)
>Sky Sanctuary
>Launch Base (or Scrap Brain)
>Stardust Speedway
>Death Egg S&K (Or a brand new Final Area)
>Final Fever (Only if you have all emeralds by the time you finish Lava Reef)

>Egg Gauntlet (The Unused Boss Rush seen in the Sonic 2 iOS Port)

You heard it here folks, Screencap this.
>mfw im actually correct

>>384361995
>icecap

this really made my rings sparkle

>>384361995
Why do only three heavies get stages and the other two don't?

>>384362542
because this post is wrong

What are the essential rom hacks to play while waiting for mania?

>>384362794
The latest version of Sonic Megamix is a good choice

>>384362794
It's not really classic but sonic boom is a fucking blast

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>>384362794
This is old but it's still useful.

>>384363742
I remember Pana Der Hejhog.
Was a really nice 1 zone hack. Loved the music and visual style. Would've loved more.

>>384363742
I hate 90% of the hacks never got finished.

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>>384363742
>Megamix

>>384363742
I'd love a more up-to-date hack list. There's so many hacks out there.

>>384363979
Play Sonic Next Level.

>>384363742
I wonder if Sonic Overture will ever be finished

>>384364882
That's not a ROM hack, and yes it will.

>>384363742
Sonic Boom was wasted potential. Just look at so many music ports on the sound test.

>all this autism over a hole
who cares? its just a hole it doesnt do anything

>>384362794
>>384362865
>>384363742
Thanks guys, looking for fan games too

>>384365312
Yes it does and that's the point of all this.

>>384365430
Sonic Before/After the Sequel and Sonic Time Twisted.
Those are three that are finished completely. Loads, and I mean loads, aren't finished.

You could also try playing Taxman's old game Retro Sonic the Hedgehog which was the start of his 1:1 engine and Sonic Nexus which was the first game that used that engine really well.

>>384365430
Time Twisted was finished not too long ago and is pretty good.

>>384365430
Metal Sonic Overdrive and Hyperdrive, they're romhacks, but the zones are all new.

>>384365430
Try Sonic Utopia's demo if you want a 3D one.

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>>384349062
>No mention of Chronicles and the great lore it expanded on with the Gizoids, Pachacamac's tribe and their rival tribe

Finna seethin desu

SA1/Battle/Chronicles unironically have my favorite vidya story

Also, posting best girl

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>>384356437
>Clouds are still 16-bit
Try again

>>384367001
No one cares about Chronicles. It's Bioware slop.

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>Be a leaker
>Leak the most vague shit possible
>On a fucking anonymous image board
>Can't deliver more info when people ask him to
You're a fucking yellow bellied coward, if you're actually leaking stuff. If you're a fake baiter, then your ammunition is fucking weak.

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>>384367161
It's historic for being Bioware's last good game

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>>384367068
>>384356437

>>384345432
I love SA1 but I can't for the life of me feel like SA2 is anything other than mediocre for some reason. I think I actually prefer Heroes to SA2. S3K is still the top game though.

>>384363742
Advanced Edit was so fucking good. A shame it never got finished.

>>384351143
>oxford comma is "Sonic, Tails, and Cream" instead of "Sonic, Tails and Cream"

Didn't someone say that there was gonna be a Comic-Con panel for Mania this Saturday and they were gonna reveal the Sonic 3 zone there?

>>384368737
http://twinfinite.net/2017/07/sdcc-is-getting-a-sounds-of-sonic-concert/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI4hsOTQZME

In a few days, this trailer came out a year ago.

Now, we're under a month away.

What the FUCK is happening with time.

>>384368823
Really cool. Hope someone records it and the Sounds of Sonic concert as well.

>>384363742
>Megamix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDKdxrock8

>>384351143
>Could this be a side effect of the events of Sonic Generations?
A U T I S M

>>384368981
I just stop asking that question anymore. I've been on this website for like 10/11 years at this point.

>>384359894
>not an action stage

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If you can't do this you're not a true sonic fan

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well, i guess I'm in now

>>384368981
As you get older things feel like they go by faster because life only gets more shit and less interesting.

>>384370568
>People who actually let the platforms get on fire
Fucking CASUALS

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>>384370587

>>384371060
>Sonic 4
What the fuck are you doing?

>>384370587
You got a good bud

Uhhhhhhhh, I adore this game but holy shit I want that box art on a physical copy, god damn it Sega

I swear to god if we get a sequel and don't get a physical box with a disc with cover art heads will roll

>>384371151
>not installed
pretty sure those came with the giant sonic bundle i bought on ridiculous discount forever ago

>>384371151
>he didn't get the huge sonic bundle when it was 60% off
Laughing Eggmans.jpg

>>384371415
>not already owning every worthwhile Sonic game on Steam
Again, what are you doing?

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>>384371060
>We will never see Taxman's Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles remakes in that Steam Library.

>>384371151
I'll have you know Sonic 4 episode 1 and 2 are solid 4/10 games and I 100%'d both because I hate myself.

>>384371735
I bet they'll get put on Steam a couple months after Mania releases.

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>>384371151
>>384371323
>>384371584
here's more proof, faggot. this is what you wanted, right? this is my promise i made to you

>>384371735
...

>>384371923
we can only pray, anon.

>>384371735
NO WAY?
NO WAY!
NO WAY!
NO WAY!

>>384371151
Sonic 4 Episode 1 is a terrible soulless rehash of shit from Sonic 2, but at least Episode 2 had a bit more creativity in the levels. The controls and music were better as well.

>>384346589
My first sonic was sonic 1, then spinball, then 3. I only played 2 many years later and the only complaint I have is tails missing flight mechanics, which is understandable anyway.

3 is honestly not a very good game on its own, and I'm bewildered that people actually delude themselves into thinking that its drawn-out, cluttered stages are anywhere near the level of quality of the rest of the series. It just isn't fun.

>>384372278
>drawn-out cluttered stages
Name one. Hydrocity, on the other hand, is the best classic Sonic level to date.

>>384372048
It's still fucking shit.

>>384349190
>It's a good game, not just a "good for a Sonic title" game
Kys

>>384364460
>>384363742
Just use Sonic Retro's Website for that.

You'll even get the ever useful COntrol Scheme, since many of these add features without in-game explanation.

>>384370568
I literally do this every run. Only, I also actually break the shield when I roll into it.

>>384355910
>the only game that isn't casual tier nonsense "hasn't held up"
Lmao. You children are so predictable.

>>384372698
He's right you know.

>>384356115
>anything sonic 4
>above any of the genesis games
Opinion discarded.

>>384373625
Seconding this. Lost World had the same problem only it's just not very fun unlike Colors.

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>>384371151
One has to play the shit so that they can better appreciate how far Sonic has come since then

>>384373927
I still don't get what the fuck Sonic Team were thinking with that game.
>Should we focus on refining the gameplay from Generations and Colours since the reception from those games has been mostly positive
>No, Sonic must do slow parkour now

>>384372369
Marble Garden
Boring, long, constantly putting up roadblocks.

>>384374225
Episode 1 isn't even worth playing for that reason. It is an utterly repulsive game that fails in every single aspect. It's one of the few games that actually makes me angry because it's so bad.

>>384374402
It felt very much like Nintendo had their hands all over it. It was Super Sonic Galaxy and the zone themes were even like a Mario game

>>384367001
Except it does go over Cronicles? Look at "Other games of this Era"

>>384372369
Sandopolis Zone
Launch Base Zone
Marble Garden Zone
Carnival Night Zone
Death Egg Zone

Not even that guy, but 3 has some of the worst stages in the series

>>384374225
I've always liked that kind of style that Sonic game covers had in Japan. So poppy.
Hopefully it does well in Japan too.

>>384374402
Iizuka just wanted to make a Mario game.

>>384373625
Not really.

>>384374930
Wrong.

>>384375039
Sonic colors isn't fun. It's not replayable, its stages are almost completely linear, its too easy, the levels all look the same, and its mostly in 2D. It's largely forgettable and basically no one outside of the sonic fanbase still talks about or plays it.

>>384357632
The japanese manual states it takes place a few days after Sonic 2, but the end cinematic lines up perfectly with S3&K's starting cutscene. Either way, no significant amount of time has passed

>>384373625
The fact that it's a Sonic game helps it if anything, because everyone had low expectations for Sonic games at the time and this ended up being seen as a step in the right direction for Sonic. If it was an original IP it would have been forgotten about.

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Every level in Sonic 3K is at least a 7/10. You fucks are crazy.

Angel Island is a great starting level.
Hydrocity is the best water level in the entire trilogy.
Marble Garden has those fast rolling hills and shit mixed with platforming that isn't clunky.
Carnival Night is Casino Night and Chemical Plant on steroids.
Ice Cap is a great breather level, not too challenging, comfy song and unique new theme to the trilogy.
Launch Base is basically what Metropolis and Scrap Brain should've been. So much speed but actually difficult to navigate without being a clutterfuck.
Mushroom Hills spacious, wide and full of speed with gimmicks that fit the theme and are fun to use. Cept those dumb grabby things.
Flying Battery has that jamming tune and fun high speed sections despite being rather blocky in structure.
Sandopolis is... Okay that's the 6/10.
Lava Reef is like Ice Cap where it's not as challenging as the levels before and after it, but it's fun as fuck to explore.
Sky Sanctuary was in Generations for a good reason; it's the fucking climax of the story, that big chase to the Death Egg and then fucking MECHA SONIC
Death Egg is okay, but I feel like there's a bit too much platforming but not enough speed, but it has the right difficulty for a final level

Basically, every level masters the classic Sonic formula. You can't beat that.