>game could've had an awesome plot twist >gets spoiled

>>384311719
just got to tokyo, went in knowing nothing, good shit
how much longer is the game? i'm not ready for it to end or anything but i'm curious.

>>384311719
If they didn't show Tokyo, they would lose all of their previous fans. The twist works for new fans that didn't look at the trailers and old fans stick around because they see Tokyo.

>>384311830
>just got to tokyo
You've just started the real game anon.

>>384311936
alright sweet

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This is the genuine reason why I completely stopped watching trailers years ago

>>384311719
It's literally the intro of the game, there's no big surprise here.

>>384311719
how did you come to play smt btw?

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>>384312575
Minotaur's design got me interested in the series.

Where can I buy a samurai outfit?

>>384313064
same

>>384311840
This. Mainline SMT games are literally defined by their Tokyo. A SMT game without Tokyo doesn't even qualify as a mainline game.

>>384311840
Sounds really fucking lame, imagine if Mario had the same levels in every game

>>384311719
You know, that's just what I thought when I first started it. I also bought the limited edition and it came with a half strategy guide.
Shit was ruined as soon as you open it and see the art of Flynn in camo gear, or see Tayama or that chick from the Ring of Gaea. Clearly not wearing outfits from Mikado.

TLDR;
Atlus ruined what could've been an awesome plot twist by showing trailers/gameplay, having a city street/lights on the box art, and having spoilers IN THE FUCKING GUIDE IT CAME WITH FOR FREE.

Fuck man. Could've been great..
Still one of my favorite games, though. I listen to the OST all the time.

>>384313064
So fucking rad.

Im a noob so can someone give me a crash course on Smt vs Persona? I have played strange journey and persona 5 but didnt get far in strange journey

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>>384313602

Every mainline SMT takes place in some fucked-up form of Tokyo. It has been this way for decades. Anyone expecting otherwise or thinking the box art spoiled things is a retard.

>>384313431
SJ counts as mainline
http://shin-megamitensei.jp/history/

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>>384313817

>>384313817
They're both good and both do very different things. The only reason there's an SMT vs. Persona is because Persona's more popular and people who like one and not the other either are pissed that Persona is more popular or they gloat about it.

>>384313964
You're right you shouldn't expect improvement or innovation ever

>>384314185
Strange Journey wasn't SMT4 because it wasn't set in Tokyo.

>>384311830
Same but I beat the game. It's a great plot twist, although I was certain there was going to be a city "eventually" since Walter shows up in one in a dream at the very beginning I just thought it'd be an end game area. Naraku fucking sucks, the battle music is good but the beginning of the game is such a fucking slog and I thought Naraku was just going to be a hundred floor dungeon so I was not impressed with the game at all.

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>>384314185

>Changing the story/setting for the fuck of it is an inherent improvement.

Yeah because that works so well for every other franchise.

>>384312575
OP here, honestly don't remember how i came across it. I just know it's my favorite JRPG series now.

>>384314589
It's evidently not working for SMT

>>384313602
>"You're zoning out a little, master"
I know Burroughs, but the world map theme is so good.

>>384314993
>It's evidently not working for SMT
But IV is the best selling SMT game.

>>384314993

You mean the series that is celebrating its 25th anniversary with multiple live concerts and new games in development?

Yeah clearly Atlus are suffering.

>>384314993
>this is what Nocturnefags who suck Kaneko cock think

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>Persona 5 didn't get BASED sentai Odin

>>384314608
Do you know which titles are considered best? I can help you out

>>384315126
>>384315198
>>384315265
>IV and IV:A were good
Good enough to be relegated to handhelds sure

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>>384315429

>>384315415
I already know the series pretty well, i was just saying i don't remember how i first came across it.

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>>384315521

>>384312030
You have the whole map of tokyo to explore plus much more which i won't say now

>>384315407
He looks like powerranger tier, I like the old Odin more even if he looked like poor

>>384315551
Oh sorry, I misread your post then

>>384314171
>>384314061
Thanks guys

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Oh shit, good timing. I haven't played IV and plan to order it tonight. I have a few questions if anyone can answer them.

1. How hard is this game compared to the other SMT games? I want a good challenge so should I just go for the highest difficulty or will it just be me getting slaughtered every encounter?
2. I like to do neutral on a first playthrough as it typically allows you to see the most content but I have heard getting neutral in IV is a bitch, is that true and should I use a guide then for choices?
3. Last one, for story how does IV and IV:A connect? Is it a direct sequel?

Thanks.

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>>384313817

I'm glad I went in blind, the twist was great. It was obvious there would be a city at some point, with all the tech and the dream scenes, but the presentation was really cool.

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>>384315592
False. This is Power Rangers tier.

>>384313964
To be fair, SMT IV was the first SMT game for some people. Given that the game itself treats the reveal of Tokyo as a twist, I can see why those people were upset about having that spoiled in advance.

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>>384315879
Ahhh

>>384315774
Sooner you learn the smirk mechanic the better.
In typical smt fashion, the beginning is the hardest part

>>384315856
I see what you are saying, but honestly they both are

>>384315774
>how hard is it
Before Medusa: hardest game in the series
After Medusa: easiest game in the series
>neutral is a bitch in IV
If i remember correctly it makes the game about 15 hours longer or something like that, I've never done that route though.
>story of IV and IV:A
Definitely play IV first, they are connected.

>>384315774
>how hard
Difficulty is okay in Naraku, and you have two hard bosses in the form of Minotaur and Medusa.
The difficulty takes a nosedive after that, though.

>neutral
The game uses a law-chaos scale, where every decision you make either gives you + or - points, Neutral requires you to be in the middle of the scale when the alignment lock happens.
If you want Neutral, you probably need a guide, though I recommend saving it for an NG+, if you care about doing multiple playthroughs.

>IV:A
It takes place in an alternate timeline, branching off from IV after Flynn goes Neutral in the alignment lock, but before he manages to get to the ending.

>>384311840
It was a numbered SMT.

Fans would have fucking known it was gonna take place in Tokyo eventually.

>>384315774

The beginning of IV is a tad bit bullshit because of how few demons you have and your retarded-ass partners. After that it gets pretty easy, if you're familiar with SMT I'd go with hard mode...though come to think of it I can't recall if that's immediately available in IV.

The neutral "route" is basically being wishy-washy on your chaotic and lawful choices. Try to keep a balance and remember that most side missions = lawfag points.

IV:A is a direct sequel to IV's neutral route. Structurally it is a much better narrative, though your party members are way more overbearing and/or retarded. Luckily you can just kill them all later.

>>384315774
>Is it a direct sequel?
It is an alternate version of the neutral ending it starts right in the middle of the neutral route.

>>384312575

I played Persona 4 back in 2009 because I heard /v/ talk about it then I tried Nocturne and fell in love with SMT. I think after I beat Persona 5 I'll try SMT 1&2 on SNES.

>>384316305
>IV:A is a direct sequel to IV's neutral route
No it's not.

>>384316005
Okay, so it's nothing insane if you're experienced? I know it sounds weird but I remember years ago on my first run of nocturne I originally went normal since I heard the series was hard and later regret not going hard.
>>384316079
Thanks. Is it really the easiest? I don't care as long as it's fun but that's a little disappointing. Still looking forward to playing it.
>>384316305
>>384316310
So it's like a alternate universe from IV then?

Thanks guys.

>>384315774
1. The first two hours of IV are some of the hardest megaten you'll ever play. No shame in starting with prentice difficulty. The game gets easier after that and you'll probably want to change the difficulty settings as you play.
2. Use a guide for neutral, the game keeps track of your law/chaos points but doesn't tell you what they are.
3. IV:A follows the neutral route of IV but with a new main character. You definitely benefit from having playing IV first.

>>384316423
It's nothing insane but as other Anons have said, certain early game bosses can and will push in your shit because allies will continuously use spells that bosses are immune to, giving them extra press turns.
See >>384313064

>>384316371
Did you play Raidou Kuzunoha already?

What do you want from SMT V that isn't already a given and is plausible

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>>384316630
Obligatory

>>384316493
You can change the difficulty at any point? That sounds great, I'll attempt the beginning on the highest difficulty and see if I can handle it. Sorry but as I said in >>384316423 there have been times I started to regret not picking a higher difficulty.
>>384316630
Yeah I have heard that boss is pretty hard. I've played a fair share of SMT games so difficulty is welcomed.

>>384316423
Apoc is a 'what if' story basically that takes place during an alternate IV's neutral ending. But it's not a direct sequel to IV.

>>384313550
>implying they don't
LOL

>>384316407

Fine, it takes place during the neutral endgame route then shit goes south because of some new gods.

>>384316690
Kazuyuki Yamai being the director or at least scenario writer

Atlus benched his ass after making Raidou 1&2 not successful

He was he reason why Nocturne and Strange Journey became classics though, he is the Kojima of jrpgs with the exception of being a bit neglected.

>>384316807
Still mad that Mastema didn't show up in Apocalypse to reign in the protagonist. I know full well that he wouldn't pass up the opportunity to shit talk Lucifer and Merkabah to their faces at the Yamato Reactor.

>>384316771
Highest difficulty is locked off till you beat the game. Though from what I can remember, IV:A has them all unlocked, and you can download free dlc to add baby mode and "fuck you game I have buffs and debuffs how is he still dodging every single one of matador's attacks".
Also remember the white are right.

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Who is the best chaos representative and why is it Walter?

>>384316690
>Dungeons
>Human partners like in 1&2
>Exploring a non fucked Tokyo like in 1
>Moon phases
>OST by Ryota
>Cleopatra and Inanna

>>384311719
anyone who knows anything about the series knew a numbered game was going to end up in Tokyo

>>384314171
do you really not see why a lot of people aren't going to be in love with two series that are essentially polar opposites of each other?
I like fun combat and dungeon crawling and that's what SMT gives me. I don't like story focused games, self-insert romance shit and anime bullshit and so I dislike Persona since that's what those games are past 2.

>>384317079
he made IV though

>>384315856
You mean Jetman?

>>384316807
Okay, thanks. I was kind of wondering why this was called IV:A and not just V but that make sense.
>>384317206
Well I guess I'll do the highest available difficulty then.

Just ordered it and it said I should expect it by the weekend, found a good deal on the collector's edition, nice to have something to look forward to. Thanks guys.

>>384313964
Most people in the west started with 4 though, we are talking about a franchise with 3 previous games and two not even localized with the last one being fairly obscure when it came out.

>>384316407
yeah it is

>>384317901
It depends, it seems most in the US started with P3/P4 then became mainlinefags later on.

>>384316723
"SUCH IS A SAMURAI SKILL!"
*misses*

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>>384316305

>>384317712
I know wikipedia says so, but this isnt entirely true, he only did the supervision over the game. I dont remember exactly, I think credits said he was the director but they somehow split it up onto several people or something.

>>384316690
>A reworked Reason system to make the moral choices actually interesting and have some of the worlds you create worthwhile
I feel like Law vs. Chaos got wrapped up in Acockalypse somewhat.

I just got to Merkabah in Apocalypse. Do I really have to fight Lucifer right after? what the fuck

>>384316690
First person dungeon crawling.

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>>384318716
Yeah
Good luck, that fight is a doozy.
Make sure you don't side with him in dialogue, as denying merkabah debuffs him or something

>>384317712

I am >>384318508

look this is from the same wikipedia article:
The development team, which was dubbed Team Maniacs,[17] included both staff who had worked on previous Shin Megami Tensei titles and newer staff who had not. There were differences in thinking between the two, which led to conflicts. As an example of this, game director Kazuyuki Yamai said that some of the staff would be used to contemporary games featuring "sweet" female characters who "say nice things", and as a result would want to add that "sweetness" to Shin Megami Tensei IV; meanwhile, Yamai saw the series as having "bitter" content, and thought that it would not be possible to add "sweetness" to it. Additionally, the staff members had differing images of the meaning of Shin Megami Tensei; Yamai thought that the good points of each staff member's interpretation should go into the aspects of the game they were in charge of, while not deviating from the "bitterness".

>>384318716
Look up johneawesome's playthrough on YouTube. He gives some pretty good tips for the merkabah and Lucifer boss rush

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>>384319228
>watching playthroughs
Where's the fun or challenge in that?

>>384318716
The game does back to back fights a few more times too, so have fun.
Especially with Vishnu Flynn that motherfucker

>>384319327
not him, but it is probably lazyness combined with lack of time

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>>384319021
>As an example of this, game director Kazuyuki Yamai said that some of the staff would be used to contemporary games featuring "sweet" female characters who "say nice things", and as a result would want to add that "sweetness" to Shin Megami Tensei IV
So are all of the newer staff members at Atlus retarded or something? Usually it's the older staff members that stifle the creativity of the younger staff, but it looks here like the new staff have no idea what SMT is about. Did they join the company because of Persona or something?

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>>384319482
>laziness
How does that even work? It's a fucking video game, not some essay or assignment.

>>384319021
> game director Kazuyuki Yamai said that some of the staff would be used to contemporary games featuring "sweet" female characters who "say nice things", and as a result would want to add that "sweetness" to Shin Megami Tensei IV
I guess that's where the shit with isabeau comes from, though the fact you kill her yourself basically in the law and chaos route shows they at least worked it out a bit and went kind of 50/50.

>>384316690

Good dungeons.

i'm still mad about kagome tower

>>384311719
I bought this game on a whim and didn't expect Tokyo at all. Came as a genuine surprise (didn't read anything about it, not even the back of the box, and I must've mentally ignored the part of the intro where Hoi is standing in the middle of some burning streets or didn't think too much into it)

>>384319565
It was probably some younger weebish guys who thought SMT was your generic anime shit. I am a bit worried for the future titles. Isabeau was fine overall, she never really seems more forced then your typical heroine, but the shit with all the girls in IV:A and the addition of the girl in strange journey makes me question the direction the series may be heading.

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Does Apocalypse have IV's retarded alignment point system? I hated being forced into Law when i wanted to go neutral or even chaos after seeing Blasted Tokyo.

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I really enjoy SMT:4 and I'd say it's my real first introduction into an SMT game, considering it's the most time I've put into one and most likely going to be the first one I finish.
But I have to say, traversing Japan is just not fucking fun at all.
It feels like such a slog and I can hardly even tell where I need to go half the time.
At this point I just use a walkthrough just to guide me to each area to progress the game. I enjoy the third person areas, I enjoy the dungeons, the story, the combat, but I really can't bare with the world map sometimes, it feels like a maze sometimes.
I'm not the only one who feels this right or am I just not "getting it" ?

>>384320048
Apocalypse allows you to chose whatever ending you want. If you chose an ending that conflicts with your alignment, you get a penalty, but you can still do it.

>>384320048
No. You follow dagda's interests whether you want to or not.
The ending is determined by a "KILL YOUR FRIENDS OR NOT" decision

>>384320076
I don't mind the awful world map because of the godly soundtrack that plays on it.

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>>384311719
>knew nothing about the game
>bought it in sale
>oh great, another shitty generic medieval rpg
>get to tokyo
>mfw

this probably was expected on some level if you're familiar with the series, but this was my first smt game so it was a really cool feeling

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>>384320160
>penalty
What penalty?

>>384320197
I know that, but is Dagda's route actually a valid and sensible choice or is it retarded?

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>>384320297

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>>384320251
Ok this I agree with.
I just sit in the pause menus sometimes and listen to the theme.
The music in this game captures that PS1 era synth music you just don't really hear anymore and I love it so much.

>>384313602
>spoiler in the guide

jee who would have thought

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>>384320297
Dagda wants YHVH to fuck off and die. Everything he says about your friends being fags is true, because they turn on you the second your interests begin to collide

>>384319565
>>384319616
The main problem was the huge international success of Persona 3 (2006). Compared to P3, Strange Journey (2010) and Devil Summoner 2 - Raidou (2008) could not achieve this kind of an audience. The production clearly went for a slight change in the staff there.

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>>384320076
Don't worry you are not alone. This was a huge problem people complained about, and they mostly fix it in IV:A. The map is really closely based on the real Tokyo, so I suppose that's why it feels like that. Here is a map that might help you.

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>>384312575
Unironically this

>>384320048
This>>384320160
Although like everything in the game the penalty for not listening to dagda isn't even bad compared to the penalty for not listening to your friends.
Also there is probably a decent amount of leeway since I apparently chose options in favor of friendship usually, and still sided with dagda with no penalties.

>>384320076
>>384320253
Which route did you guys get first? I got >>384320048

>>384320340
>>384320438
Do you get to fuck over YHVH in the Bonds route?

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>>384313064
>get to minotaur
>mfw the the music kicks in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik

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>>384320590
In dagda's route you permakill yhvh.
He's still alive in bonds.

>>384320576
Dante is cool but I like having Raidou as the guest character better.

>>384320297
If you picked options more in line with dagda, but side with your friends he gets rid of your demons.
If you do the opposite navarre throws all your items on the ground and I guess you don't pick them up since you are a lazy motherfucker.

>>384320297
>What penalty?
The penalty if you side with Dagda is that you lose all your items. If you go against Dagda, he will delete all your demons, but you can get them back through the Compendium. This is only if the alignments conflict by the way.

>>384320712
Isn't the point YHVH is always alive as long as humanity is?

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>>384320653
>casts agi

>>384315815

>almighty skills
>good

stopped reading there

>>384320807
You hard-reset the universe, so he's not really a threat

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>>384320724
>>384320757
That's beyond retarded. What the fuck were they thinking?

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>>384320653
>>384320846
how fucking killer is this design
like really

>>384320897
It's basically Persona-tier storytelling. It's so fucking awful. The gameplay is good and fighting Stephen is amazing, but that fucking story made me ill and I hope it isn't a glimpse of the future of SMT

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>>384319021
>Was promised a lack of sweetness
>The entire friendship ending
Granted Massacre is fucking great but the very fact it exists sours the game for me

>>384318716
Pretty much every boss fight from that point on is hard as fuck
Good luck with Vishnu and recordscratch fuckboy

>>384320846
>tfw i actually beat him with Walter as my support character
I got lucky, he kept using Critical Wave instead of Agi

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>>384312575
One of my friends said Nocturne was the hardest game ever and that he couldn't get past Matador for weeks. I couldn't resist, and I was hooked ever since.

Matador beat my ass, of course, but I picked up on buffs and debuffs a bit more quickly than my friend.

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>>384321079

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Give me a rough estimate /v/
In SMT: IV I just started "The face of true evil" quest.
How much longer do I have on this wild ride?>>384321180

>>384321036
It's a shame his level was too low for me to use him against the Lucifer or Merkabah. At least i got to beat Pluto and Kenji's ass with him. The whole Akira reveal felt greater too.

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>>384320897
Probably wanted a "consequence" for your actions, but realized people would get pissed if they got screwed out of a route again like in IV. The consequence for telling dagda to go fuck himself isn't really that bad considering most demons up to that point aren't that expensive to resummon, and most of the ones you had probably just exist to be fused anyways.
Also like I said, the game seems to give you a decent amount of leeway since I almost never picked an option that gave me points towards dagda(Since they always fuck you over for no god damn reason.) so you'll probably be fine.

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>>384321180
Oups didn't mean to do that.
I gotta say the the Minotaur fight made me both learn how the combat system worked in full and made me love this game.
It's like a poetic right of passage and I love it so much.

>>384319457
That boss fight made me want to jump off a bridge. What the fuck were they thinking.

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>>384321231
Matador truly was one of the biggest assholes, even though he didn't even have one YOHOHOHO

>>384321385
Smt:4A is the new dark souls of persona games

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>>384321491

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>>384321491
You forgot the picture

>>384321271
You're a bit past the halfway point I think

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>>384321491

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>>384321271
Depends on whether you get neutral, chaos, or law. Or pick the white.

>>384321067
It's sad, Dagda and the Divine Powers were pretty cool, and IV has great lore in general. It would've been alright if the Bonds route hadn't been so obnoxious and saccharine.

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>>384321690
yo I think I'm with Atlus on this one

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>>384321385
>Took me like 20 tries and a fuck ton of grinding to beat the last boss
>tfw Mitra Buddha killed him as my last demon alive with 1 HP remaining
God ain't got shit on Endure

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Whats your favorite moment in IV? Infernal Akira revealing himself to be a lawfag was really touching for me since i thought becoming a demon would make you a psychopath or something for the entire game. Would've gone full chaosfag too if it weren't for the alignment lock.

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>>384321747
>>384321621
Hooh, how interdasting.
Guess we'll have to wait and see

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Serious question, what do you guys feel is the best SMT? I'm interested what the general opinion is here.

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>>384321459
He really was. The game is pretty standard up until him and then he just kicks your teeth in until you use buffs and debuffs. A great way to teach people, though.

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>>384321829
>Choose Chaos
>Lucifer becomes my pal and fight Isabeau
>She asks me if I think that I will be forgiven for plunging Tokyo and Mikado into war
>Tell her that I've done nothing wrong
>She's so stunned that she loses all of her Press Turns

SMIRKING INTENSIFIES

>>384321879
Unironically Nocturne and I unironically ship Pixie and Demifiend so hard,
why is there no good fic content of them

>>384321879
Strange Journey for me, almost tied with Nocturne.

>>384321879
Strange Journey's best mainline (whether Atlus counts it or not)
DDS1 is best spinoff
Raidou 1 has the best story

>>384322003
>>384322042
Is Nocturne's story good? The idea of reasons doesn't sound as intresting as the usual Law vs Chaos dilemma.

>>384321884
Yeah he was a quality noob filter, if I have ever seen one

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>>384321242
Asahi makes me want to commit a crime!

>>384321829

VS Bobo

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>>384322185

>>384321879
1st place Nocturne for the story and setting
2nd place Strange Journey for story and setting
huge gab
3rd place Raidou 1,2
4th place SMT IV

>>384322124
They're a better idea, but they're executed worse. It basically becomes Law (Reason endings), Neutral (Freedom/Demon), and Chaos (True Demon) in the end, though.

>>384322124
Nocturne's story is about on par with the other mainline games. You're given pretty small snippets of lore as reasoning for delving into a particular dungeon for a magguffin. It's the atmosphere that really does it for me.

And the reasons are great, though obviously True Demon Ending is both canon and the best ending. It's more interesting to me as a concept that SMT could adopt, but in Nocturne they really do just line up pretty well with Law Neutral or Chaos

>>384321879
Nocturne. I don't even care that /v/ has memed it to death, i honestly do think it's the best one.

>>384322185
I want to commit the crime of living a long life trying to make her the happiest woman in the universe

>>384322304
>I don't even care that /v/ has memed it to death
Newfag to SMT, can i ask what you mean by this?

>>384320364
It's a half guide, and all I did was flip through to look at the art, not read the entire thing before playing the game.

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>>384322185
Does Asahi get any better? It's annoying how Apocalypse so far is always Asahi dragging Nanashi along to do retarded things, especially since they offer you the illusion of choice every time.

>>384322124
The writing itself is actually simple

But no other game lets you become a fucking emo god like that

>>384322379
Featuring dahntay duh deehmon khiller

>>384320704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRho9U-G2V4

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>>384322124

>>384322396
IV:A is generally thought to have the best gameplay but worst writing in the series.

>>384321879

Nocturne. I unironically love ONE MORE GOD REJECTED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6LWQhvzRw

>>384322267
>>384322275
>>384322402
Is Dante actually relevant in Nocturne's story or is it just a cameo?

>>384322379
/v/ has had constant threads about it being the best SMT game to the point of it being a circlejerk, so now it's kind of considered the low-effort answer to say Nocturne is the best when it is actually one of the best games in the franchise.

It's another one of the "/v/ talks too much about a game so now they need to pretend they never liked it" episodes

>>384322396
she dies at the end

>>384322531
He's vaguely relevant for a sidequest that you need to do to get the True Demon Ending.

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>>384313064
>Mfw I beat the Minotaur with Walter as my helper

>>384322483
>IV:A is generally thought to have the best gameplay but worst writing in the series.
Speak for yourself edgelord

>>384322531
He becomes a party member and is one of the best ones, but he isn't mentioned after you beat him and have him join you. He does push forward the first act of the game though.

In the remaster/remake in Japan they replace Dante with Raidou Kuzunoha XIV and give him a big ol' buff.

>>384322531
Not really but he does have apurpose in that he has one of the candlebrums so there's that. Originally they had raidou as the guest character and it was just as a fun cameo.

>>384322396
She leaves for a bit then dies. So yeah, I'd say she gets better when she isn't on the screen.
Oh, also if you are just starting, when you get navarre, I hope you like "Shut up Navarre. WAIT WHAATTT?!" shit, because from start to finish it doesn't fucking end, ever.

>>384322531
No, Devil May Cry and SMT just share one same character head designer and therefore wanted wanted asked for cool Dante stuff in their game

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>>384322721
>talking shit on Navarre

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>Black Samurai starts handing out modern literature and manga
>You find modern technology in Naraku
>THE VERY FIRST THING YOU DO IN THE GAME IS WALK AROUND THE RUINED STREETS OF TOKYO

I have no idea what you guys are talking about. It was never supposed to be a "shocking twist". A gradual realization maybe.

>>384322721

Navarre was the best boy in Apocalypse, though.

Why did IV have such a god tier 90's cyberpunk OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZIXqXKiZ7I

>>384322483
I still can't manage to finish it, and IV is in my top games ever.
IV:A was just boring, and the anime cast was garbage.
At least IV managed to make the setting interesting by having the main cast interact with a foreign land.

>>384322695
In the original version it was raidou as well, it was maniacs that added dante. In the US I believe the version of nocturne that came in the bundle with raidou 2 is the only way to play the english version with raidou.

>>384322802
Navarre's great, it's when the other fucks try to talk with him (especially Nozomi) that things get grating
Gaston is best boy though

>>384322802
I'm not, I'm just mentioning what they do every time he even says a single word. Which is funny, since he's one of the only useful party members till Asahi gets cheer.

>>384315815
Will smt fags ever recover?

>>384322946
The original version had no Fiends whatsoever, neither Dante nor Raidou were in it
The vanilla game was just reasons
Maniax added in Fuck Reasons and Dante
The next rerelease swapped in Raidou
There was never an English version with Raidou

>>384315815
>I AM SILLY

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13463864
Did you guys kill Yuriko or Tayama on your first playthrough of IV? I personally chose to kill Yuriko since the Ring of Gaea couldn't possibly protect the citizens of Tokyo unlike the Ashura-Kai. Plus, i'm a lawfag who personally disagrees with her spreading literature around Mikado and causing havoc.

>>384323104
>Original Nocturne
What a flop that was. Based Yamai and Team Maniax had to come in and save it with the Fiends and True Demon Ending

>>384322938
I know people sometimes shit on IV's story but honestly I think anyone that didn't love the cast is just crazy. I genuinely loved my human partners here, I was hesitant to be constantly followed by other human characters but Walter, Johnathan, and Isabeau were pretty good. I was even a bit sad you can't save Walter or Johnathan honestly but were the respective law and chaos heroes.

>>384322938
Yeah, the whole appeal of IV's setting was that the player and the main characters experienced it completely differently. I know they couldn't really have done the same thing in the sequel, but it lost that important part of the draw regardless.

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>>384321879
>tfw didn't beat Nocturne because an ex kept my ps2.
IV for story.
DDS for music.

>Neutral alignment
>Haw haw you didn't do a bunch of arbitrary sidequests
>Don't even find out the full extent of my side's plans until after it's too late to change
>Never gives you the option to just betray them

Not even sure if I have the energy to play through this shit again. The game's fun but I did not enjoy that last act at all, felt really railroaded.

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>>384322258
>tfw no good asahi lewds

>>384323232
This.

Rest in Piece. Based Yamai.

>>384323104
Yeah I knew that stuff about the original, the amala dungeons are completely. I could have swore nocturne was bundled with a raidou game and they used raidou in place of dante in that version as they no longer had the rights. Though I probably am remembering it wrong.

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>>384320653
>then I die
>then I die again
>and again
>and again
>Then out of no where "Hey faggot, wanna lower the difficulty?"

Never been more ashamed .

>>384323231
http://www.strawpoll.me/13463893
Disregard the first poll, the question wasn't worded properly.

>>384311719
I want to finish the neutral path (that I got through honest choices) but navigating Tokyo for side quests is impossible. Even with a guide all it tells you is stuff like "near Shinjuku" or the best ones are the dungeons that are located in unmarked regions of Tokyo that you can only find if you know Tokyo by heart.

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>>384323263
>not the full image
I have a soft spot for that artist, she does a lot of funny art of my favorite demon in the series so I view her tumblr every once in a while.

>>384311719
exploring tokyo sucks

fuck those names

>>384323534
The only one that I hadn't found yet is that fucking photograph mission in some randomass room in Ginza

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I put this game down at the point when the Ashura-kai guy kidnaps some samurai. I thought it was getting kind of monotonous. Does it get more interesting?

Also, I was kind of surprised how, given the game is about choosing between these philosophies, that they made Chaos so much more likeable than Law. Like, aggressively so.

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>>384323451
>actually dying instead of resetting

>>384314005
Yeah, but it isn't numbered. They want all the numbered mainline games to take place in Tokyo.

To be frank, I would love it if they started in Tokyo for the next game, but went to Jerusalem later on, like how they wanted to in the first game.

>>384323340
The white were right, buddy.
Also law and chaos is basically the same, with different endings and without having to go through sidequests.
Though if you want to go hunting for fiends, you better reload that neutral save.

>>384321879
IV for atmosphere, story, and OST.
SJ for dungeons.
IV:A for combat.

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>>384323631
>Chaosfags
Not even once

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>>384323250
Agreed. The whole scene where the cast first sees Tokyo from the sky tower after medusa still gives me chills. I knew it was coming, but leading hearing about Isabeau reading stories set in Paris, finding the gun in an abandoned room, and the metal walkways leading down the sky tower were all huge "what the fuck is going on here.." moments for me.
I remember being hooked when those first happened.

IV:A was sorta just "Oh hey, Flynn got captured so let's go on a WACKY ADVENTURE GUYS OH BOY."
The cast already knew the setting they were in, so the only surprises came from characters being assholes. Even Gaston, the one character from Mikado, /barely/ gave a fuck about being in a new land.

>>384315429
On the best selling console at the time in Japan? Yeah. That seems to be Atlus's MO with mainline. Put it on the system with the most units.

>>384323631
The game picks up plotwise soon, Tayama is one of the last major players introduced before the plot kicks up. And yeah, SMT has kind of always shilled hard for Chaos and it gets even worse later in the game in that sense.

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Okay, let's get to the real question here.

How does demifiend lay on a back with the organ on the back of his neck? He has to sleep right, does he only lay to his left or right?

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>>384323631
You'll be in the best part of the game soon.

>>384322815
>tfw this book is sitting on my desk right now with notes in it
good worldbuilding shit

>>384323706
>IVs story is better than SJ
How about you replay Persona 5 if you like trash so much

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>>384323638
Why would I reset? There was no point in resetting. All that does is make it take longer to get back to the boss.

>>384313064
Biggest difficulty spike in video games, followed by a steady difficulty decline.
At least for me.

>>384323827
He sleeps on his side like normal humans do

>>384323827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXDKJcUGdo

>>384323239
You've got shit taste.
Walter and Jonathan both come off as badly written paradoxes and isabeau adds nothing to the story.

>>384323903
The macca cost for dying is ridiculous, and it's not like your play coin supply will last forever. Just save often.

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>>384323898

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Alright, in my first nocturne right now. I'm in the underground subway fighting the four oni, how far am I? I only have fought three fiends so it seems quite a lot is left. Also fuck me I have focusing and physical and it biting me in the ass now since all of them are meant to be fought with magic.

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>>384322854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtRzDYYBuY
My morning alarm

>>384324045
Hey fuck you dude, they were amusing to have around.

>>384323250
You've got some wild delusional imagination. IV does not feel alive at all. If anything IV:A does a better job at exploring the universes lore through codec logs while IV let's you run around empty Japanese lots.

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>>384324147

BLUEFAGS GET OUT

>>384324110
>The macca cost for dying is ridiculous
Oh, I don't remember this. I probably DID resetting then at some point, just not for that boss. It has been too long. I don't remember much about the game.

>>384324369
IV having you actually talk to NPC for info was a lot more immersive.

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>>384315906
>the game itself treats the reveal of Tokyo as a twist
I dunno, it felt more like the big setting-defining moment to me. I knew full well what was coming up, but climbing down the construction scaffolding, taking the electric lift down the tower and watching the cutscene where the samurai enter Tokyo and look around the completely silent, night-lit environment gave me chills.

And then this track comes on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

>>384324256
Level your Hifumi Magatama and Tornado those motherfuckers

You are not far at all lmfao

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>>384323593
>not the edit that makes it even better

>>384324289
>Can't listen to that song anymore without hearing "Eat a Dick"
Fuck whichever anon posted that video.

>>384324369
For all the shit Apocalypse gets, its great to see them expand on the setting in the little things, like showing that Dwarf making bullets.

>>384324534
NPCs in apocalypse occassionally have intresting things to say other than LIKE FLYNN or HATE FLYNN

>>384324354
Theyre empty husks that occasionally spouted one liners as far as I was concerned. Needed more interpersonal cutscenes aside from headhunting the swampman.

IV:A's freedom ending when they all returned to fight yvwh was a nice touch though

>>384324639
>occassionally
It's not nearly as much as in IV.

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>>384324045
>Walter
>bad anything

>>384322678
Me too, first time even. Bithes just need Rakukaja and Sukunda in their lives.

Medusa was the one who got me. Fuck that whore, seriously.

>>384324534
What game did you fucking play?
IV:A had the same shit plus more

>>384324732
But the few times they do is much better in quality. IV didn't infodump well at all. I didnt even know what the Ring of Gaea was even after meeting Kaga and its ridiculous that the earlier stations don't mention red pills at all.

>>384324550
>You are not far at all lmfao
Weird, I was thinking I was decently far, but that's fine. Game is a lot of fun and I really enjoy recruiting and fusing demons, current partu is uzume, daisoujou, and the demon in this comic >>384324576 whose name I'm forgetting.

>>384322854
Because it makes tons of allusions to SMT 1 and 2, which were 90's cyberpunk games.

>>384324614
I don't think anyone can anymore

>>384324835
>Null Gun demons literally in the same room as her
Come on anon

>>384324369
You seem to be replying to parts of my post that aren't, in fact, there. All I said was that IVA missed out on this one important aspect of IV's appeal as I saw it.

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>>384324614
>>384324969
Sauce?

>>384324614
Just for you
https://youtu.be/T98vMLduWjA?t=9m44s

The only thing I like from SMTIV:A is the music... and Gaston because his design was fun.

Jesus christ I couldn't stand the cast though, and there was no neutrality with the statements, it was:
>Be a dick (Dagda)
>Be the bestest friend ever(Bonds)
>Be an Autist (if you were given the option)

But it did give us:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=marMHH6a63g&

>>384325034
See >>384325039

>>384323340
You only really need 4 sidequest plotlines done to become the Champion in Neutral
The Nozomi quest line
Both Tokyo Tournaments
Some battle royale with the 4 Devas
The 4 picture quests.

>>384324905
The dialogue from random NPCs in IV:A felt watered down to me, compared to IV.

>>384324931
It's been a long while since I played IV but I remember the pills coming up before Shibuya. Not sure what was hard to comprehend about the Ring.

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Post your best Jacks!

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>>384325039
>>384325108

>>384311719
Japan cannot plot twists, asking them to is asking for Yakuza tier plots.

>>384325176
who the fuck cares about jacks, gtfo

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>>384325253

>Thread counts over 250 replies
>Suddenly shitposting pops up
pootery

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>>384325176
I SHALL SMITE HEE

>>384324931
Not him, but it seems like your problems with the setting were exactly what I liked about it. I really enjoyed that the world itself was like a huge mystery that you organically and gradually came to understand as the game went on. Vital worldbuilding details were casually offered up as asides by random schmucks when it made sense for them to mention them, and I loved that.

Why are nocturne and apocalypse fags always at each other's throats?

>>384325081
>That theme
Please stop triggering me
I'm getting flashbacks of Infinite Power and Unending Curse on the same turn

>>384325165
I only really learned about them when Tayama sends you to kill Yuriko, which is ridiculous since you first met them much earlier.

Just beat Apocalypse. YHVH took me 5 hours to beat. Felt so fucking good to land that finishing blow though.

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>finish neutral ending literally 4 minutes ago
>already a thread up on /v/ to discuss this shit

neat

Who the fuck was the girl in the dress at the end?

>>384325081
>it has no neutrality
Actually it's a very meta way of playing with the fans of the series. Basically you got both extremes of what fans have ways wanted for an ending in SMT. A happy ending where demons and humans coexist and everything is gay and pretty, and the edgy TDE "Kill all your friends" ending. Both are, however, extremely corny and are not nuanced. Yet, there exist no middle path and the player has to make a singular choice.

>>384325475
Your deduction is spot on. Soulsborne style mystery always felt retarded for me if your character could reasonably ask some dude or two for information. It's even worse if something important or intresting is only mentioned by a random npc in an obscure place or worse, a place you must backtrack to. The way Morrowind handles infodumps is way better.

>>384325783
Watching playthroughs doesnt count

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>>384325176
Nah. Get updated.

>>384325783
She truly is the Shin Megami Tensei™

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>>384320576
If you didn't get into SMT when Nocturne or Revelations: Persona came out, then you're a filthy casual secondary.

>>384325783
The Goddess of Tokyo, basically humanity's desire to forge its own path personified

>>384325783
The spirt of Tokyo, the little girl with the wheel asking you to revive her in the beginning and Burroughs herself

>>384325783
The Goddess of Tokyo. Burroughs was designed in her likeness.

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>>384323340
It's a bit of a strain, but the neutral storyline is worth it if not for the ending, then for the actual backstory.
You don't really find out why Toyko is the way it is without doing the neutral route.

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>>384325975
>not starting with last bible or jack bros

Pleb.

>>384325992
Doesn't she plan to overthrow you as god when you go massacre ending in Apocalypse? I'd like to her try to kill Nanashi.

>>384313064
Where fuck was this dude during Apocalypse?
You play as Akira for fuck's sake

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>>384323349
why would you want lewds of a dog?
you some kind of scumbag?

>>384326116
>tfw he's not even fusable

>>384326116
Doi didn't redraw him, and he was drawn by a commissioned artist who draws Kamen Rider monster so they couldn't use him again.

It's odd that they didn't brought Minotaur back, since Minotaur and Medussa are references to the original Megami Tensei, where the first two bosses were Minotaur and Medusa.

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>>384326116
>Minotaur is nowhere to be found in Apocalypse.
>Mastema is nowhere to be found in Apocalypse.
>The National Defense Divinities sans Tenkai are nowhere to be found in Apocalypse.

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>>384326031
Will i find out in Apocalypse? I only played Law and i can't play any DLC because i pirated it.

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Tell me /v/, which demon do you love most?
>mothman
>mothman
>mothman

>>384311719
Every single SMT takes place in Tokyo. So ya dumb as fuck if you didn't already know that they would at least eventually go there simply based of it being a fucking SMT game

>>384326320
This is irrelevant, but it was pretty jarring to go from Minotaur's awesome and creative design to Medusa, who looked like a shitty tattoo.

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>>384320076
>get Four Deva quest late game
>just get told they're in tokyo
>mfw actually trying to get around the world map for this bullshit
jesus fucking christ this is annoying

I always loved when, fighting against the scariest looking demons, they sometimes suddenly beg for their lifes and ask for forgiveness

And if you refuse to let them live, they act like teenage schoolgirls who are about cry lmfao

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>>384326417
You could play IV on easy.
But yes, if you play IV:A, it's practically crammed down your throat in the beginning.
It's one of my main gripes with IV:A. Doing that takes all the mystery out of the setting and makes the story just about shit that happens.

>>384326651
Yeah that quest was some shit
The reward for it is REALLY good though if I'm remembering right

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>started out as a nobody and a loser
>into little girls, probably a former weeb
>has a "utopian" vision for Tokyo
>literally redpills demons
Is he /pol/?

>>384326895
No, he just regularly browses /his/ and /a/

>>384327015
>/his/
explain

>>384326503
Mothman endured
>>384326895
Most people in-story hated his guts

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Will you please die for me, Mr Anon?

>>384327134
Well, unlike /pol/, /his/ sometimes has plausible substructures for their insane redpills

>>384326895
>Not the official icon of strength like what Walter strokes his cock to
>Harvesting kids brains that probably take 10-12 years to raise and cultivate
>Instead of just raising them to become capable soldiers, something that the samurai and probably everyone else in Tokyo learned to do in a matter of minutes.

This shit is the reason why IV's writing is trash.

>>384327439
>taking the redpill will make you addicted if you're a demon or turn you into a demon if you're human
>redpills are literally made from harvesting the brains of children
If IV was released this year /pol/ would take it as well as the new Wolfenstein game,

>>384312575
Played Persona 4 first then played P3FES. After that Soul Hackers and DeSu 1 and 2 and now here I am playing SMT IV.

>>384320251
I know /v/ doesn't like weed, but that already amazing track becomes your entire world when you're high

>>384327497
>mom look I posted it again
Shut up kid or I'll harvest your brain

>>384311830
I didn't watch the trailers or anything, and SMT4 was my first game in the series. Getting to Tokyo blew my fucking mind and I loved the music so much.

>>384323340

I managed to get the neutral route on a blind playthrough just fine.

>>384328237
IV's writing is trash, friend.

>>384328475
Same.

I never finished IV because i got the the point where you locked in your alignment, ended up with neutral and just dropped the game because I hate being forced to do side shit. would it be worth it to just start over and not get neutral after I finish IV:A?

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Question:
Did you ever listen to IV's title theme past the first few seconds to find out how fucking godly it was?
I didn't until I got the soundtrack and it blew my mind.

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>>384328475
>>384328595
How?

>>384328635
Its best to finish Neutral at least once. You wont get the backstory and the rest of the details of the setting if yo go Law or Chaos.

No, the twist still worked because you didn't actually know how you get to Tokyo and when. You may suspect but you couldn't have been sure until you get there.
I knew Tokyo was involved, and still thought the twist was neat.

>>384328749
I dunno dude, just did what came natural and ended up wondering why the fucking end game was getting so long and drawn out.

>>384328542
Why do you hate IV so much?

Are evolving Demons ever worth it or should I just stick with fusion?

>"I did physical my first playthrough, so I guess I'll try a magical Flynn this time"
>Curbstomping my way through Naraku doing triple my demon party members' damage

Is magic just easy mode or something? This is silly.

>>384328889
not him.

IV is a shadow of what Shin Megami Tensei has been and could have been. All went downhill after the high expectations their predecessor left behind.

>>384329170
Magic in IV is broken.
Magic in IV:A is shit. Phys rules that domain.

>>384329181
>predecessor left behind
You mean nocturne or SJ?

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>>384329308
Is it fine if i go with a dex build on war mode?

>>384329308
Phys rules both games, chump.

>>384329165
Depends on the race. Evolving Divine demons got me hella far

>>384329308
Huh. Does it fall off late game at least? My Flynn was just Charge>Hades Blast to win every random battle in one turn and Charge>Berserker God to win boss battles with quadruple damage hits. The end game was really easy.

>>384329308
IV:A allow you to crit mag damage, but then again Almighty got nerfed hard from IV especially Antichthon

>>384328719
To this day I don't understand how people prefer IVA's to IV's. It's so good.

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>>384322483
This is such a meme. The writing isn't anywhere close to worst in the series, and most of it's fairly interesting.

You fags just circlejerk about "killing friends" as if that was the point of the series while knowing nothing about context besides Nocturne.

>>384329340
Both, and Raidou Kuzunoha 1&2