>video games still don't look as good as toy story get

it's easy to compare the lack of facial animation in an unfinished game on the top frame, but I'm talking about graphics alone.
Can we put this argument to death?

>>384293031
It's really not that impressive, specially if you compare it to the first movie.

Fuck the graphics, the animation looked incredible

Why did they switch the badge to the other side

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>>384293371
the first movie really doesn't look that good

That seems alright.
Still, video games will almost always be behind any big budget 3d animation.

Why? The in-house programs they use to generate cast light and shadows is far beyond what would be created in real time, currently.
There's also Zootopia where no current game really emulates that level of fur manipulation.

Suppose the main thing is real time being behind pre-rendered shouldn't be a surprise.

>>384293618
Anon, the model polycount and the lighting are still Buzz Lightyears ahead of KH3's.

>>384293031
Fascial animations are completely dead, or not existent really.
The graphics are nice and all, but the only serious improvement is the textures in the end.
The light is still shit compared to the movie sadly, but a big step up.

It's Toy Story. They are TOYS. Are they supposed to look better, somehow?

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>>384293517
damn didn't notice that

>>384293696
>when will my husband return from the war.jpg

>>384293676
none of which mean shit if it doesn't look good. Quality per polygon is far more important than amount

>>384293517
he's facing the opposite side you dumbass

people are forgetting how dated Toy Story looks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsusakRf7T8

the animation alone in kh3 looks way better by comparison

>>384294157
Animations alone won't fix the fact taht the lighting and everything else look worse.
Not mentioning that woody looks more real than he shoudl as a fucking toy.

>>384293517
the image is just flipped,look the cow marks on his coat,its the exact same but flipped

It's really the lack of facial expressions that gets me.

I don't even care if a character has more polygons than usual or has more realistic this and that, if it doesn't deliver proper facial reactions, you're not using yourcharacter model to its utmost potential. It fucking freaks me out to see a character have this cold stare that doesn't fit the situation at all.

Thanks, Sun and Moon's MC.

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>>384293676
>buzz lightyears

>>384293031
>badge is on the wrong side
KH3 fucking dropped.

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>>384293031
Why did they flip Woody's vest?

>Watch trailer
>Oh boy, toy story

>wait.

>This Rikku shit again

Man fuck this series, I don't know why we put up with it.

>>384295027
>>384294993
OP flipped the picture you fucking retards.

>>384295040
>Rikku
Anon please. This series isn't for you.

>>384295040
get ready for the finale-finale-finale-finale in kingdom hearts 3.2
only for the ataribox

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>color and textures look better
>lightning looks more cartoony
>polycount is lower
I'm fine with this.

>>384295435
>lightning
They just couldn't keep her out of kingdom hearts, could they?

>>384293517
Its japanese, they read/look from right to left. Wait for the english release trailer

>>384295326
What's the definition of doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again?

>>384293031
>current videogame engine barely compares to a cg movie released nearly 13 years ago
What point are you trying to make

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>>384295615
>lightning
>her

>>384295772
Is he disney's lightning?

>>384295027
Punished Woody

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>>384293031
>worse shadows
>lower polygons
however
>better attention to detail
>better form in the models

its only been moving forward, the quality of craftsmanship and artistic abilities has been increasing but common consumer technology still can't render 3D live at the level toy story was rendered not live

>>384294429
wrong
look at the text in the background and on his badge

>>384295836
He is actually

>>384296578
>worse shadows
The lighting in general is worse because real time ray tracing is still a pipe dream.
>lower polygons
Because polygon count in movie CGI is a non-concern, all of the rendering time is eaten up by the ray tracing. While models for games need to be pretty well optimized polygon wise.

>real time graphics are not as these one that took months to creats WTF! i mean its current year after all come on!

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Why can't people understand the difference between real-time rendering and pre-rendered graphics?

>>384293031
Woody looks soulless in KH but not in TS1.

>>384293774
YOU

>>384298198
ARE

>>384298290
A

>>384298325
PIRATE

>>384298325
NOBODY!

>>384298325
GOD GOY

>>384298360
You fucking asshole

>>384297858
the entire point of TS1 was jumping from being souless to having life, which is perfectly demonstrated in woody in the top and bottom panels of KH3

>>384295718
Unrelated to kingdom hearts, that's for sure.

>>384293517
But its on the right in >>384293618

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>>384293031
>SSS on plastic toys

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>>384293031
>mfw

>>384293031
Compare it to Toy Story 3.

>>384293031
the lighting and anti-aliasing in KH3 is vastly inferior.

>>384296696
The 1995 image was the flipped one.

>>384293787
whats his name again?

>most games still lack self-shadows
I thought it would have been standard already by last gen.

>>384293031
Woodys badge is on the wrong side. Square Enix doesn't give a shit about the lore.

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>>384293031
You know why Kingdom Hearts looks amazing?
Little hint. No pc port to gimp down the graphics.

>>384299104
>No pc port to gimp down the graphics
>games are no longer made with PCs

>>384294423
>>384293676
>>384293031

This you dumb fucks >>384293648

Pre-rendered shit is pre-rendered for a reason because it cannot be done real time. In pre-rendered videos and movies they have to physically emulate light while video games are a series of cheap tricks to make it look more in depth than it really is so everyones shitty favorite platform can run it.

>>384299253
Not him but when games are ported to PC they have to accommodate for 80% of people who play PC games on toasters which run worse than the console counterparts. The 20% remaining get an unoptimized game which also gets modified for the console release.

Console exclusivity allows for 100% concentration on one platform (with slight enhancements for pro/xbx)

>>384297552
Consolefags that's why. They think it's all the same thing because they see pre-rendered in engine footage at E3 and think that's what their device can actually do.

I swear the technological ignorance on the planet as a whole is infuriating.

>>384299104
You still get paid to shill that fucking game?

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>>384299804
>>384299990
Don't forget to 'upgrade' your pc to watch ps4 walkthroughs.

>>384300232
So it's a yes, then.

>>384293517
copyright

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>>384300276
>only achievable on the PS4

>>384293031
>Toy Story: The first fully-3d CGI film of all-time
>Video game released more than 20 after toy story

The better question is why haven't the graphics surpassed it yet? Have they gotten lazy?

>>384293618
It did for 1994 or whenever the fucking thing came out

>>384300484
How much do they pay though?

>>384293031
>hat shadows face on left
>hat doesn't shadow face on right
immersion fucking RUINED

>>384300596
sure but we're not in 1994 anymore

>>384293031
Wow...so this is the power...of the ps4?
Super charged...pc...
Stronger then...25 year old pcs....whoa..

>>384300579
Lighting. In Toy Story took hours and hours to render each frame, most of that is down to the lighting being simulated. It still isn't doable in real time today, not even close, so even the oldest CGI movie is going to look a lot better lighting wise than even the best video game for a long time.

>>384300736
Generally you would say "aged poorly"

>>384293861
the entire concept of "is it up to the level of toy story movie" and the answer is no, the lighting in real time rendering is garbage, the poly count is a fraction, the animations are infinitely inferior, the textures are even terrible, as you can see with >>384293618
and the textured soldier with the shadows looking better than anything in KH

dont get me started on pixels, resolution, frame rate

the entire thing about fully prerendered video is that its 100% flawless in performance, real time rendering will always be inferior


also with games, lighting will always be a huge draw back, most games are EXTREMELY limited with lighting, and use faux lighting techniques to hide the fact that all levels have maybe like 2-3 light sources, while rendered video will have 15 light sources reflections refractions, shadows, everything your pleb ass games will never have because youll hit negative FPS trying to re-render a scene 150 times due to 150 different variations of light

>>384300232
>4K resolution requires 4K display
>720 jpg
Is this the power of PS4 Pro?

>>384300484
>only achievable on the PS4
>made on a PC

>>384301173
You are incredibly off base. The only thing you've got right here is lighting and polygon count, the latter which doesn't even really matter that much because modern vidya models still look better anyway. Animation is far better today than it was back then, and the textures are very clearly more detailed in the movie vs KH3 examples.

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>>384301807
There is more

>>384293031
>cutscene

>>384301961
That lighting is really awful. Hope Sony pays you well to post this crap.

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>>384301904
Made on pc but only PS4 can actually run it.

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>>384302105
Do you realize how moronic that statement makes you seem?

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>>384302105
is this supposed to impress someone who still has consoles from last gen

>>384302306
I think you need to get better at spotting shitposters.

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>>384302398
Possibly.

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>>384302367
>meanwhile on PC in 2017

>>384302568
excellent neat picking skill my friend
thank about having no arguments

>>384302105
>Was about to completely forget about the game because people only cared enough to talk about it for a week when BoTW came out
I'm glad that even if a game is so forgettable that absolutely nobody cares enough to discuss, shitposters will be around to remind us that they exist.

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>>384302568
>meanwhile on consoles

>>384302568
Your hard drive is just shit ya doofus

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>>384302760
What are you implying?

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>>384303065
>literally indie game is a pc benchmark now
also shrek yourself console pleb

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>>384294157

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>an unfinished PC custom game made using Call of Duty's 3 year old mod tools looks better than anything on sony's console
How mad are sony ponies right now?

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>>384304818
>an unfinished PC custom game made using Call of Duty's 3 year old mod tools looks better than anything on sony's console
>unfinished

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>>384305342

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>>384305805

>>384305941
>a wall
epic

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>>384305941
>made by one 18 year old in his spare time
vs
>made by an entire team of nu-males between protesting their salary and president

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>>384306319
Whatever

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>>384306478
>w-whatever

>>384306478
>nothing but downgrades the game

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>>384306036
>a forest

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>>384306837
>downgrades
There is no pc port so devs didn't have to downgrade.

>>384307323
>>384306478
What is the point of the letterboxing?

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>>384294712
It is getting better at least, when developers try.

>>384294157
This still looks very impressive for 1995

>>384307431
An excuse for a lower resolution.

>>384307323
>that texture on the shirt
AHAHAHA

Why isn't there a shadow cast on his face from the hat

>>384293031
Did any anons cry at the end of Toy Story 3?
I did

>tfw KH will never have a scene like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QgZoMR7ofs

>>384309038
Needs more DAHKNESS and HEARTS

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>>384293031
Looking really good in the movie!

>>384309038
i've got asmr goddamnit.

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>>384295772
>Kingdom Hearts will include a Cars world with a racing minigame in your lifetime

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>>384309181
>>384309368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtOJHbxQII

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>>384293676
>>384294898

>>384293031
am the only one who prefers video games to cg?

the lighting, and visual effects are more natural

they should make movies in game engines. that way they could have serverl different angles for every scene

>>384293171
its got literal gameplay and the shadows are missing. how often does a game come out and BEAT the bullshots? hint: fucking never.

it looks good, but its not as nice as the movie

>>384310174
thx anon, i can now sleep well.

>>384304818
wat game?

>>384293648
Quantum computers WHEN

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>>384311201
Black Ops 3 PC.

>>384293517
Holy shit, Switch version confirmed.

Why are people even bothering with a comparison for this? Are we pretending that it was in-game and not actually an in-engine cut scene?

>>384293031
Even if the KH3 screens technically look worse I still find them more appealing than the look of the original. It looks more bright and vibrant.

>>384293031
>>video games still don't look as good as toy story
I don't think I've ever heard this complaint before in my entire life.

>>384295148
Read Woody's badge dumbass. The picture isn't flipped.

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>>384293676

>Buzz Lightyears ahead

>>384302813
you can get that playdoh effect if you play enough too many games without relaunching too
after one game it'll be running around 6-7gbs of ram for me, and if I don't restart the game it will keep getting higher and higher

OK but where is the Jessie porn?

>>384293031
Is the kingdom hearts series well known for its graphics?

>>384307431
cuts on number of rendered pixels so the game can look a little prettier

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>>384293676
>Buzz Lightyears

>>384313763
Its the one on the left that's flipped.
Read the writing on the wall where it says "By Andy"

>>384314051
Yeah, for how mediocre they are.

>>384293676
>>384299478
>>384301173
It doesn't fucking matter if it uses raytracing and from a processing standpoint took more work, the fact of the matter is games have on the whole looked better then the toy story for over half a decade now. That'd be like saying building a rude goldberg machine that ends up cracking a single egg is better then just throwing a full carton of eggs across the room and breaking all of them.

>the poly count is a fraction,
I doubt this, as somebody who uses 3d software. There's no real reason for the models in the original toy story to have that many triangles/polygons, given the art style, and plenty of modern games actually have pretty high resolution models in terms of geometry.

If you count the high detail models used to make normal maps from then modern games have higher polycounts by a huge margin.

>>384311201
black ops 3 zombies
>>384304818
what map is that?

>>384314673
They work with the models at a lower polycount and the renderer would subdivide and add vertexes making it smoother.
t. artist at Disney

>>384301173
You're wrong on pretty much everything.

Yes, it's possible to have higher rendering power in a pre-rendered movie in 1995 than you still can in 2017. But that has hardly any bearing on how good something in real-time can look today vs a 1995 pre-rendered movie.
The biggest point you're missing in all of this is the knowledge of rendering and lighting gained in that 20+ year period.
We understand rendering, both in the technical sense and the correct material values in PBR, and much more about lighting, than we did back in 1995. PBR wasn't even a theory back then.

In addition to that, just the general artistic skill level has risen vastly in that timeframe because the CG and video game industry has gotten so much more lucrative.
All of this combines to let us achieve incredibly solid visuals in real time that challenge many pre-rendered visuals from even more recent movies than Toy Story.
A combination of knowledge and artistic skill both contributed so much to the visuals we're able to achieve in real time.
Real time rendering is all approximations yes, but we don't need it to be perfect, a certain level of approximation is sometimes enough for that illusion.

I hate when people like you who don't have any sort of artistic eye to see the clear visual improvement from Toy Story to KH3, and just hide behind your misguided and barely even surface level understanding of pre-rendered and real time rendering and talk as if you know it all.

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>>384314860
Old London

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>>384293031
you fucking graphic autismos I swear
games are more complicated then just having animations/movies.
games will ALWAYS have lower res/poly count than current movies because there's more shit the computer has to do.

>>384314673
Idiot

>>384298582
Subsurface Scattering isn't inherently a skin only thing.
Plastic can get it's effects too depending on the plastic and it's thickness, but to a lesser extent of course.
Just take a look at some painted anime figurines in bright lighting and you'll see the same effects. It's not particularly strong SSS in the KH3 shots anyway.

>>384298582
He's wooden retard.

>>384293031
shading still has a long-ass way to go. Maybe next gen we'll have a 1 to 1 comparison

>>384293031
The Woody from the movie moved more fluidly, his face looked softer and the lighting was WAY better.

Real-time rendering will never catch up to hand crafted pre-rendering because there are so many tiny nuances.

>>384299990
I am convinced Horizon was legitimately shilled here.
>No threads for months up until release
>Spammed like mad once reviews started pouring in

>>384294157
This, I'm a professional 3D modeller and engine developer, Toy Story was one of the first big 3D movies and it's obviously dated and terrible looking. I'd argue over all presentation in Toy Story was surpassed by last gen consoles.

You have to remember though that 3D shit like this was basically neve done before.

>toy story only works because of some arbitrary unexplained law that the toys must be static when a human is in sight

These movies are retarded

>>384317170
>Arbitrary law
It's not a law, it's instinct.

>>384293031

The shading for movie woody is still better,there is no real lighting on the game version face. Also the poly count is lower

>>384298598
>Ure not my favorite deputy

>>384298790
low
tier
snort

>>384317170
Wow, it's almost like you're not supposed to think too much about the logic behind a whimsical children's movie.

You must be the funnest fuck at parties. I picture you as a mouth breather who, upon hearing two people talking about something would have to butt in with "Ackshually" before wheezing your asthmatic arse through something only tangentially related to what they were talking about.

>>384301173
Explain to me what Uncharted 4's cutscenes did to look as good as they do. Unlike the other games, 4's cutscenes are rendered in real time.

games might one day hit the point of having real-time rendering on par with a pre-rendered CG movie from 1995 but it sure the fuck isn't there yet and won't be for another 25 years minimum unless some crazy advancements come along soon.

>>384294157

The only thing about Toy Story that looks dated is the human models. Making the movie about toys was done for a reason and it succeeded in that regard.

>>384315171
lmao this nerd thinks the footage we see isnt prerendered

the difference is the budget and skill of pixar movies

>There were 300 computers in Toy Story 1's render farm
>The average time to render 1 frame was 4 hours
>It took 300 computers working together to render Toy Story at .00416 FPS
>HURR WHY VIDYA NOT GOOD LIKE MOVIE

I know this is a troll thread but holy shit is it dumb.

Hold up

>Buzz has "Andy" on his foot
>Woody has "Andy" on his foot
>Sora has ? on his foot

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>>384298582
Rubberyheaded 90's toys scattered light really well. It was the basis for entire lines of toys at the time, even.
>>384316679
However, if this guy was right, it WOULDN'T have sss. wood stops light pretty well.

>people ITT confusing gloss maps with subsurface scattering
Please, educate me more, NEET video game virgins!

>>384293031
Where are the shadows in the kh screen?

Toy Story looked like shit by today's standards.

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The only reason Toy Story 1 still looks good is because they chose toys. They knew their technology at the time made everything look plasticky and fake so they worked WITH that. But if you look at living characters or worse background shit

>flat textured no fuzz
>weird shaped skull
>doorframe is like 3 or 4 rectangles
>wood texture stretched to fuck

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>>384293676
>Buzz Lightyears ahead

Why don't you compare it to the third movie?

>>384323505
>Toy Story 3 is almost 10 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QgZoMR7ofs
Thank me later.

Are Tom Hanks and Tim Allen the voices for Woody and Buzz in KH3?
I have never played a KH game, and don't plan on doing so, but I am a fan of Toy Story.

>>384325302
Tom Hanks, no way. They will probably get his brother to do it, guy does a 1:1 perfect impression. Tim Allen they could easily get, but he and Disney are having a bit of a feud so who knows.

>>384293618
did anyone else notice the hooker on the right?

>>384294157
It looks dated for a CGI movie, but still looks better than any game.

>>384325075
ya can't rush art.

>>384325610
I assumed something like this.
Would have been neat if they managed to convince the actors to reprise their roles, but it's understandable they would decline for a video game.

>>384293031
The movie looks better than KH3 mostly because of the almost non-existing lightning effects in the game.

>>384298325
HEARTLESS

>>384298325
ROCK STAR

>>384293618
>Toy Story came out in 1995
what the FUCK i thought it came out in like 2002 or 2003?! Also that grass and plants is awful but it really doesn't look that bad. A little dated but still obviously well made.

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>>384309038
>those ASMR inducing noises

>>384328880
Toy Story came out early enough that it got a Genesis game. 2 was much later, at least 1999 I think.

Considering KH's style, the way they made Toy Story look in KH3 is far more suitable. You're a fool, OP, a fucking foul fool.

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>tfw there probably wont ever be an Emperor's New Groove world in KH
Kronk and Isma villainous KH shenanigans never ever

>>384293031
Are you fucking comparing a in real time graphics to a 3d animated movie that took 3 days to render the whole pizza planet scene.
?

>>384309038
You know what? Fuck Toy Story 4, Pixar should just make a movie of this dude fixing a bunch of toys

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>>384329183
Well, I think the first movie holds up pretty well, in the sense that you can watch it without thinking how shit the graphics are. If you put kids in front of it they probably wouldn't even notice. It's still a good movie even if it is a bit dated. I mean shit, it came out 22--holy FUCK TWENTY TWO YEARS AGO?!

...Sorry, had an existential crisis mid sentence. It holds up, in my opinion, better than, say, Halloween Spooktacular which while a great movie, sucked graphics wise even when it came out in 2003. Pic related.

WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

>>384310597
Shadows aren't missing, the lighting is just different.

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>>384309038
>tfw I loved that scene so much as a kid I would reenact it with your Woody doll
This is giving me some serious nostalgia, dammit

>>384293031
what's a crowbat

>>384329960
YOU DON'T HEAR ME SAY

>>384293031
you're right, it doesn't as good.

KHIII looks BETTER.

Also, Woody's badge seems to have shifted to the other side of his vest, lol

>>384330165
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MY TENDIES

>>384330326
DON'T GO

>>384319673
Chronological snobbery, perhaps?

Remember, there was a point where a home computer used to be a laughable idea and now we have toasters that could smoke supercomputers of the late 70s. It's only natural to assume technology would make a sizable jump to make a CGI movie look like child's play.

Then again, most of that thinking is driven by a lack of understanding of how graphics work or scale over the years.

>>384309038
Rewatching this scene really gives me a newfound appreciation for the quality Pixar would put in their earlier animations
>you can tell the old man loves restoring toys to as best as he can, and more so hates to deal with the customers themselves

>>384298790
I WAS BLOCKING! COME AHHHN DOOD!

The animation in KH3 looks a trillion times better than the first toy story though. The lighting isn't as good.

>>384309038
I like how he's the old guy from the chess short.

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>>384330562

Man, it's gonna be weird hearing Woody and Buzz talking about Kingdom Hearts related shit.

>>384332485
>implying hanks and allen are coming anywhere near this shitpile

>>384317170
Or it's so the humans don't freak the fuck out and throw them into the incinerator, dumbass.

If you can get Christopher Lee and Leonard Nimoy then the sky is the limit.

>>384317170
I wonder what defines a "toy"? Like Bo Peep was probably some ceramic Andy stole from his mom's china cabinet.

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>>384293676
if there's a god he would make you bleed out slowly to death for this insolence.

>>384332829
I heard the reason why they went with Dan instead of Robin while he was still alive for KH1 and 2 was because Robin's recording sessions get a little too wild.

Tom Hanks' availability might not be as open as Tim Allen's but since Pixar does approve of what they have in store, we may see them pull some strings to get the living cast involved bar Andy whose outgrown the part the scenario takes place.

>>384295764
>13 years
Toy Story is like 20 years old

>>384295764
>1995
>13 years ago.

If only.

>>384293031
we are okay without fucking ray tracing

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>>384293618
Did they leave this fucker in a t- pose?

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>>384293031
>toy story looks good
niceme.me

>>384293676
CARLOS

>>384336826
I can never tell what Sid's teeth are supposed to look like

Just looks like they stuffed his mouth with tin foil

>>384293031
Holy fuck I just remembered I had a Woody doll when I was like 5

I loved that thing

>>384293031
Looks fine to me.

>>384336826
There's a reason why the made a movie about toys. Pixar understood uncanny valley.

>>384293031
Considering Toy Story licensed games of the past, we're a lot closer than we've been than Toy Story 3 on 360 and PS3 or Toy Story 2 for Dreamcast.

>>384336826
Their human designs softened up so much, it's hard to believe this is from the same people that made the Parr family, Linguini and Carl.

>>384325780
heh, hooker.

Well it does have female legs.

>>384338767
Congratulations anon, you caught the 22-year old joke

One day while Andy was masturbating, Woody got wood. He could no longer help himself! He watched as Andy stroked his juicy kawaii cock. He approached Andy which startled him and make him pee everywhere on the floor and on Woody too. Being drenched in his urine made him harder than ever! Woody: "Andy Senpai! I'm alive and I want to be INSIDE OF YOU." Andy: "Oh Woody Chan! I always knew you were alive! I want to stuff you up my kawaii ass!" Woody grabbed a bunch of flavored lube and rubbed it all over his head Woody: "Oh my! It's cherry flavored lube! Cherry is my favorite! Woody then stuffed his head up into Andy's tight ass! The other toys around the room watched intently as Woody shoved his head back and forth into Andy's nice ass, continuously making a squishy wet noise. The other toys also became aroused and they all gathered around Woody and Andy and started to urinate all over them, and then they started to masturbate. Andy: "Oh my goodness, Woody Chan! You are churning my insides up so well! Your nose is stimulating my prostate! OH YES! All the other toys became so aroused by this, that they could not help themselves anymore! They pushed Woody completely inside, and they all went inside. All of them wanted to be inside Andy's nice round ass. Andy: "No wait guys! My ass cannot hold this much! I'm getting so full! All the toys went inside of poor squirming Andy and pretty much, he was beyond full, and died from having his insides completely damaged. The mother came inside and found Andy, dead with a huge ass hemorrhage on his anus, with a HUGE belly full of toys.