Why can't Pee-Sea gamers accept the fact that PC is a shit

>>384281924
here i'll make your thread last a little longer
(you)

>>384283421
not an argument

>>384281924
What an utter blunder of a post.

>>384283628
not an argument

>>384283558
>OP full of non-arguments
>n-not an argument
Here's your (you), (you) piece of (shit)

>>384281924
(You)

>>384281924
All of those things are mute facts and it looks like you have a neet loser in your life and think all pc gaymers are like this. exclusives don't mean dick with emulation. you can stick any controller into your pc and most games allow button mapping. I once hooked up several controllers to my pc and stuck into my tv with an emulator loaded with couch games and played them with the lads.

>>384283747
>claims my post doesn't contain any argument
>doesn't post an argument as to why
really makes me think...

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>>384281924
allow me present the opposing opinons merely fo the purposes of debate

literally everything you said is objectively wrong

good day

>>384283791
Enjoy your massive input lag you fucking moron.

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straight from le tumblr
how to start le video game war on \V\

you tried

>>384283930
Only with the lads otherwise i use a monitor for my own personal use. And honestly the input lag is so little normies like my friends don't give a shit or even notice.

>>384281924

>Accept shooters

Stopped reading there. You're retarded and don't know what an RTS is

>>384283930
>A PC plugged directly into the TV.
What input lag? How is that different than a console? Hell you don't even need to plug directly into the TV. You can pick up a steam link or any other such device and with a 5ghz WiFi network you wouldn't have any noticable lag.

>>384284359
>but what about my dead genre with no recent games!!! OP BTFO
kill yourself

>>384284430
>no noticeable lag
this is what peecucks actually believe
lol

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If you were less obvious you'd get more (you)s OP.

>>384284647
not an argument

>>384284449

Dawn of War, Starcraft 2 Legacy of the Void, Company of Heroes 2, Civilizations

I know you're trolling but jesus are you even trying?

>>384284863
>newest game of all those is from 1.5 years ago
lol

>>384285028

>Games need to be released annually

This is why sheep like you get milked

>>384285028
>hur dur i have no taste and never happy i need everything that releases now hur
The smart man waits to buy stuff he knows he wants. A half backed turd nugget wants everything new, good or bad.

>>384285210
>>384285232
>popular games are bad because they're popular
lol

>>384285472
>WoW
>CoD (modern)
>Candycrush

Every video game platform has that one game that sells a fuckton but is actually bad. not an arguement

>>384281924
>Missing out on countless exclusives for current consoles
Uhhh... just Bloodborne and Nioh?

>>384285472

Not an argument

>>384285586
those games are good though, that's why people enjoy them.
>/v/ says it's bad therefore it's bad
autism

>>384285806
you are telling me All those stagnant games are good? Only reason why WoW thrives as it does is because autists can't let go after spending years on their accounts. CoD is full of 12 year old shit eaters who keep spamming mics and stoners who don't even give a fuck. Candycrush is a freemium game, need i say more?

>not an arguement

>>384286749
>wah, wah, people enjoy videogames! it's not fair that people can have fun while i'm a jaded cunt about everything
lol

>>384287026
not an arguement

Cause it sells videogames?

>>384287371
>arguement
what did he mean by this?

>>384287371
That's what your mother said when your parents were having a discussion on you being born with possibility of being retarded.

>>384284617
How does plugging a console into a TV produce less lag than a PC plugged into a TV.

>>384287515
>argue
what this mean he did?

>>384287581
I was raised by Elk u fucking bent turd

>>384287603
I think he's trying to say it's because of TV's generally higher response time but fuck it because I've played on many TVs and the "lag" is not really an issue

>>384287846
>you just have to get used to it brah!
lol

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>>384281924
>Buy an Xbox
>It dies after a week
>Buy a PS
>No games
>Games availeble on console look better and play smoother on PC
>Can't pirate vidya
>Need to pay to play online even though you already pay for internets
Consoles were the biggest blunder of the century

>pirate a game
>plug controller in because game is supposed to have native support
>it detects xbox controller instead of PS4 controller
>the face buttons are flipped so that X does what square should do and triangle does what circle should do
>try to change controls in the options
>you can only change keyboard controls and it doesn't affect the controller equivalent
>uninstall my pc
master race my ass

>>384287910
Much like you "have to get used" to shitty paid online and bad graphics on consoles...

>>384288092
>le red ring meme
are we back in 2008? lmfao

>>384288161
Only poorfags and kiddies complain about paid online. Muh graphics don't matter when all your games are indie pixel shit lol

>>384288360
stop trolling nigger!

>>384287910
Okay, so what you're telling me is if you're playing on PC, you won't have input lag with a monitor, but if you're playing on console you will have input lag regardless since you always play on TV.

I'm not really sure I'm following you here.

>>384288109
There are programs like JoyToKey that lets you set any controller for any game.

>consolefags

>>384281924
>with your friends
If I had friends I probably wouldn't spend most of the day playing video games.

>>384284725
You know not every conversation is an argument, right? And honestly trying to say that your point is inauthentic does discredit it to a certain degree.

>>384288572
>have to install and run a third party program whenever you wanna play with a controller
sure sounds bloated and inconvenient, but i've come to expect that from pc games

>>384288414
lol mad

>>384288932
>he disagrees with the groupthink! he is a le trole!
definition of a non-argument.

>>384288986
>>have to install and run a third party program whenever you wanna play with a controller

Tell me, what do you do when you want to play with mouse and keyboard on a console.

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>>384289314
Who would willingly play with KB+M? Objectively worst control scheme except for shooters and the dying RTS genre.

Anyways if you're autistic and hate fun there's this and about a million piece of shit clones put out by misguided gayming merchandising companies.

>>384289542
sure sounds bloated and inconvenient, but i've come to expect that from console games

>>384289718
>literally plug and play
laughing my fucking ass off, nice try pc cuck

>>384289761
>literally one google search and 2mb download
laughing my fucking ass off, nice try consolefag

>>384289908
>janky closed-source third party software that won't work if the game you're trying to play auto-detects controllers and fucks up the config like >>384288109 this guy
lol

>>384289115
That's not what I said. Honestly, I don't even play PC games. Trying to misrepresent someone's argument makes you look silly.

>>384290059
>If you were less obvious you'd get more (you)s OP.

that's exactly what you said though

>>384288456
>>384288456
I love how this post gets ignored.

>MUH COUCH
>you can play PC on couch
>LOL INPUT LAG
>what are you talking about
>LOL INPUT LAG ON TV
>wouldn't that mean consoles are forced to have input lag since you play them on tvs and not monitors, whereas with PC you have the option of either
>no response

lmao

who was originally a console pleb here?
>can't aim in fps with a mouse because it's either too slow or too fast
>can't easily press whatever key I desire, sometimes I lose my place on the keyboard
>buttons are so far apart sometimes, using pinky for shift and control is pure cancer
>mostly just play one handed games like Civ or gamepad supported games
I fell for the meme, at least having dual monitors is cool

>>384281924
how can (you) be so wrong on every point OP? but in case you're actually this delusional...
>kb+m is great for a number of genres, including shooters, strategy, 4x, mmos, mobas, p&c, etc. but you've probably never heard of most of those genres because console controls don't work well with them. and if you're dying to use a controller, most games support xbox controllers, and ds4w lets you use a dualshock on literally any game. all you have to do is keymap.
>pc has had more couch co op games release this gen than ps4 and xbone combined. just look up "couch co op" and steam and you're set. and mods for games like GTA V let you play couch co ops on titles console players could never even dream of. I play GTA V with up to three friends in my dorm all the time. not to mention programs like dolphin that let me play old co op games in 4k.
>of the top selling games on steam, 0 are weebshit. quality pc gaming typically requires money, which requires social connections and a work ethic or inheritance from a family with those values. also the pc market is aimed particularly at adults who can build and problem solve for their hardware.
>xbone has 1 exclusive, being sunset overdrive, and ps4's exclusives are almost entirely weebshit. bloodborne was the beta for das3. even then, most pc gamers can afford a console if they want one. there just simply aren't enough exclusives on either to warrant my purchase.
>you can walk into any goodwill and buy a desktop chair for less than 10 bucks right now. and if you want to sit on your couch, you can plug your pc into your tv, turn on a controller, and game to your heart's content.
>off the top of my head, civ iv-vi, arma 2-3, dota 2, quake champions, etc

>>384290187
maybe because that guy is objectively wrong about consoles having input lag

>>384288092
>Xbox dies after week
>PS has literally no games

nice lies

also, >Can't pirate vidya

>Waah, waah, I can't steal my games!

>>384290287
Yes, the consoles just magically compensate for the MS of the TV and PCs are incapable of doing it.

>>384290145
Oh, right. I am not that guy though. I was pointing out that if your post was inauthentic (this was the point that other guy tried to make) it would discredit it by showing that you are likely not interested in discussion but rather emotional reaction. It is a fair point. Idk what you're trying to say, but all I'm saying is it could be considered an argument, or maybe not an argument. Maybe a warning that we shouldn't take you seriously as you are not interested in discussion.

>>384290276
>defending MOBA games
stopped reading there.

>>384290295
>paying for your Internet twice
>paying $60+ for a fucking controller
>paying $60 for every new release
>barely any sales
>get hacked every other week and lose credit info
>costs more than a pc for worse graphics

Don't worry bro. In America there's no crime in pissing away money.

LOVING. EVERY. LAUGH

>>384290358
consoles are designed for TVs, PCs are designed for monitors

is this a hard concept to grasp?

>>384290596
>being poor
>being poor
>being poor
>being poor
>hasn't happened in years
>being poor

>>384290564
>stopped reading there
because I proved your point wrong? "kb+m is only good for shooters"
"...and like 10 other genres including mobas"
"hah mobas are dumb"

>>384290931
cry more dotafag

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>>384290784
>being poor
Or you can use the same money to get more.
>hasn't happened in years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/02/01/hackers-steal-25-million-playstation-xbox-players-details-major/

>>384290673
>what's different about them
>th-they just are trust me

LMAO

All you faggots plugging your pc into a tv. why? Snuggle up beside your gf in front of a monitor.
nice and intimate
also op's a fag so this post is saged

>>384291076
>Hackers stole the information from two popular gaming forums back in 2015, and managed to take details including email addresses, passwords and IP addresses, it has recently been revealed.
>The forums called Xbox360 ISO and PSP ISO let gamers share and download free and pirated copies of games.
Did you even read your own source? Someone hacked a shitty game pirating forum, this is only tangentially related to console gaming.

>>384291074
I literally don't play mmos
I'm just saying, mmos are a genre designed with kb+m in mind. You made an argument that only shooters are designed for that control scheme. Your argument is invalid.

>>384291309
and you're autistic.

>>384291160
>pc gayming
>gf
lmao

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>>384291282
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/02/01/hackers-steal-25-million-playstation-xbox-players-details-major/
>Hackers stole the information from two popular gaming forums back in 2015, and managed to take details including email addresses, passwords and IP addresses, it has recently been revealed.
>it has recently been revealed
>ramifications are just now coming to light 2 years after the fact
>DO YOU READ MAN

Do you read past the 1st line?

>>384291454
This is irrelevant, the hacks occurred on third party forums not officially tied to either console.

It's like claiming that Steam is vulnerable to cyberattacks because kids on TF2 fan forums keep giving out their passwords.

>>384291724
The point which you are clearly missing is that these fuckers had peoples' info and were using it for years before the companies actually stepped in to do something about it.
Sony and Microsoft just let it ride for years and didn't give a shit.

>It's like claiming that Steam is vulnerable to cyberattacks because kids on TF2 fan forums keep giving out their passwords.
Which would never even happen, because you have to jump through so many hoops if you even attempt to purchase something from a different IP address.
This is the central point you are failing to grasp.

>>384292020
The information wasn't even being used on the consoles, it was being sold on the internet and leaked online. The companies themselves have no power if the people who stole the data,
>didn't even steal it directly from them
and
>aren't even using the stolen information on the consoles themselves

>>384292291
>The information wasn't even being used on the consoles
Yes, it was. In the UK, they noticed an uptick of unauthorized transactions.

>The companies themselves have no power if the people who stole the data didn't even steal it directly from them
Correct.
But it was used. I get calls from my credit card and debit card companies if anything looks unusual, and steam blocks a lot of actions if you mysteriously just start using another IP.

You can't stop the guy from stealing $500 from someone, but you sure as shit shouldn't accept that money. It's just sloppy. And it still doesn't excuse the hacks of the past.

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>>384281924
>PC gamers are known to be socially stunted weeb virgins

I know PC is getting tons of ports of ancient Vita games, but you're fucking delusional if PC is by any means more of a "weeb" system than the PlayStations. PC doesn't have the weebiest games like Yakuza (muh Japanese crime simulator), Project Diva, or Persona, all of which released this year for PS4.

>>384292882
>In the UK, they noticed an uptick of unauthorized transactions
This is stated nowhere in the article.

There's also no evidence that Microsoft/Sony knew about the leaks.

>>384293170
All the weebshit clogging up steam begs to differ. Also everybody had a PS2 when it came out because it had the GTA games.

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>>384293361
All of which are ports of old games, some of them being ports of PS2 games released THIS year. If you're a weeb, you won't be playing on PC, especially when most Jap pubs don't put games on PC until at least a year later.

>>384293762
They wouldn't be porting them if there wasn't a huge demand for ports by pcweebs.

>>384291160
>not duplicating your monitor on your TV
get a load of this retard

>>384294229
of the top 25 games currently being bought on steam, 0 are weeb games
clearly weebs are a niche market that barely effect overall pc sales
saged

>>384281924
>Native control scheme is shit for anything accept shooters
>And RPGs
>And strategy games

Gee, sounds like its actually a great platform for multiple genres.

>>384288986
A wired xbox controller is plug-and-play.

>>384295290
>i don't understand statistics, relative market shares, or supply and demand
lol

>>384295648
read the thread, most pc games have shit controller support anyways

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>keyboard goes back to typewriters and is designed purely for text input
>mouse designed in the 60s alongside light pens purely for primitive graphic user interfaces in an attempt to reduce keyboard input
>"d-dude this is the perfect control scheme for video games!"

>>384281924
>Native control scheme is shit for anything accept shooters; USB controller support is nonexistent for most games and really shitty in most of the games that do support it.
If you are too autistic to setup a xbox controller emulator consoles surely are the right choice for you. Also KB+N isn't shitty if you get used to it
>No couch multiplayer means you can't play videogames with your friends, only meaningful social contact is autistic hide-and-seek source engine games or minecraft servers.
There are plenty of co-op games and you can emulate some older console co-ops. And in online you can play games like arma where the online community is much more mature than in any console game
>PC gamers are known to be socially stunted weeb virgins
Not an argument
>Missing out on countless exclusives for current consoles and can't even reliably emulate older consoles without input lag
We have our exclusives too, but this is a valid reason to take in consideration when deciding whereat PC or Console (there are also console exclusives so you aren't of the hook with single console)
>Have to either shell out a hundred dollars for a quality gaming chair or sit hunched over your keyboard like a hunchback freak
Just because office chairs don't have gaming written into them doesn't mean that they cant bee sat on. Also any normal chair will do.
>PC hasn't had a non-indieshit exclusive for about a decade
What is Arma what is X-Com what are most e-sport shits
Just because the genre isn't to your liking doesn't mean it doesn't exist

sage because bait af

>>384297058
The "controllers on PC" argument has been thoroughly debunked in this thread already, I won't be making it again. Also,
>you just have to get used to it bro
>muh "mature" community
you mean no-fun-allowed losers playing under uber-restrictive rules? no thanks
>we have our exclusives too
like what? undertale? lmao
>chairs
unless you buy a quality chair to sit in you're gonna be suffering from major back pain
>what is arma
irrelevant
>what is xcom
on console
>what are e-sports
shit

Modding, Free Online, and Free games.

>>384289542
Why are KB M always consider objectively worse?
8 movement directions are enough and you can use the mouse to "aim" where you will go.
And the speed you will move is more constant with KB as they are 2 binary inputs instead of 1 analog
And you can have way more inputs with KB but because most games are ports that doesn't really effect AAA games

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not gonna read this shit thread.

>native control scheme is-
supports every controller in existence for the same price or less than consoles. basic computer savvy allows you to use any input device on any piece of software. no exceptions.
>no couch multiplayer-
put your computer in your living room and hdmi it into a TV. guessing you're a basement dweller
>PC gamers known to be-
nice
>Missing out on countless exclusives for current consoles
less than 200. less than 40 worthwhile ones. less than that per individual taste.
>can't even reliably emulate older consoles
false. sure, there's not hardware-accurate emulation for a whole lot of consoles, but everything up to ps2/gcn can be played at higher fidelity and/or (usually and) higher framerate than original hardware. there are exceptions.
>without input lag
everything has input lag
>chairs
the fuck do you sit on while playing a console? get a piece of plywood for your keyboard/mouse if you're a cheap shit, or yeah buy a goddamn chair
>PC hasn't had a non-indieshit exclusive for about a decade
there's enough good indies and indie pc exclusives in the past decade for that not to actually be an argument, but even then, i'll settle for PC having the definitive edition of literally every game that comes to both pc and console

thanks op, feels good to be so much more right than you, hope you enjoy the longform (You). fair trade

>>384291379
hehehhehe look mom i called that guy autistic because he had a point and i said to that guy that whether you can have girlfriend depends on the platform you play

this site is 18+ you know

>>384290056
ok how about autohotkey

>>384297963
they're all the same

>>384297678
not gonna read this shit post

>>384297515
it's objectively uncomfortable and restricting

>>384298243
autohotkey is not janky, not closed source, and will always work for any device or piece of software, so no its not really the same

>>384288360
>hey i say lol every setence because i dont have a strong argument

lol

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>tfw PC, PS4 Pro, 3DS master race

Please ignore the Switch, it was a bad purchase and I never play it.

>>384298410
>NO DUDE IT'S LITERALLY PERFECT AND FITS 100% OF USE CASES YOU'RE JUST RETARDED

>>384298529
ok name an exception

>>384297409
How is it so difficult to comprehend that KB is good? more buttons, 8 directions is fine (not saying it's better than what consoles have) as you can use mouse to aim where you are going in (includes 3rd person games)

>muh mature
Well you have never played games like arma or squad (latter me neither) but you can have fun there as log as you aren't a massive faggot that ruins the experience of others. And what do you even mean by rules?

I sat 4 years in an 30 buck office char and didn't get any back pain. It's about your posture not the chair.

And as i said just because you don't like shit like arma or CS doesn't make them irrelevant

>>384298243
Then how doesn't it feel uncomfortable to me or anyone else who uses them?
And as i said KB has many more buttons

>>384298608
>MOAR IS BETTER FUCK ERGONOMICS AND FUCK USABILITY, I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO MAP EVERY SINGLE FUNCTION TO A SEPARATE BUTTON BECAUSE SIMPLICITY TRIGGERS ME

>>384298958
well how can controllers binary buttons have more functions than PC binary keys?

>>384299336
the ergonomic shape of a controller alone makes it superior to whatever autistic shit you do with your keyboard

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>>384298243
>refuses to read rebuttal
Have a (you), it's all you want, isn't it

>>384299847
Why would I read a post by someone who couldn't be bothered to read the rest of the thread?

>>384299426
Rest you hand on a flat surface and try to move you fingers
How difficult it felt?

I do admit that with controllers you can move more freely when doing an action which would be f with keyboard but otherwise i just can't see why the "grappable" shape of an controller is so overwhelmingly superior to KB to look over all other factors

And yes in some games like the Witcher 3 controllers button layout was better for a controller so i played it with one and once again in Shadow of Mordor i was able to play it perfectly fine with KB

>>384300294
yeah making claws with both my hands and hunching forwards to see what im looking towards is great

>>384300458
Well if you close those claws you have the controller grip (thumb is of course in a different place) and do you need to hunch forward to see you TV?
Me neither with my monitor
Idk if you are coming up with these "pc stereotypes" or if you actually have ever played with one because if you have you must have under 20" screen as i have 21" and don't need to hunch forward at all

>>384300918
with a controller the claws have support behind them which is a natural position

>>384301208
at least with my KB i can rest my fingers on the WASD keys without pressing them so that they are in rest when not using them

>>384301684
i can rest my thumbs on the joysticks without doing anything

>>384301871
I'm not arguing that KB is superior to controller in every way but rather defending it's place as near (whether better or worse depends on the game) the controller as a mean to control your game

>>384302136
>digital input
lol

>>384302221
not an argument

>>384302601
>playing videogames on a device designed by and for typists to type things
lol

>>384302705
And it still manages to hold up to and in some cases surpass something that is meant for gaming

>>384302924
when?

>>384303136
in fps games for one

>>384303212
who even plays those? /v/ does nothing but shit on them

>>384302705
remember that computer games have been around before actual personal computers (Zork at least, a few others)

>>384303347
Well i don't really either but it is still superior for them and anyway i haven't seen v shit on them that much
And in general for any game where aiming is important KB+M are better

>>384303653
actually a light gun beats a keyboard easily in that area

>>384303795
but it makes too big sacrifices in other areas so it isn't worth it, but when those treadmill movement controllers became a thing then the sacrifices wont be so big

And light guns aren't really a thing jet for non arcade gaming

>>384304127
>move
>kinect
>wii motion controls

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>>384281924
>native control scheme shit for anything but shooters
At best that is dismissing all first person games and RTS, at worst it's demonstrably false.
>USB controller support nonexistent for most games
Also demonstrably false
>Shitty for most games that support it
If by that you mean "It works exactly the same as on consoles" then yes
>No couch multiplayer
How many console games really release with split screen multiplayer outside of fighting games these days?
>PC gamers are known to be socially stunted weeb virgins
"I have run out of arguments and the ones I've made up to this point have been awful anyway."
>Missing out on console exclusives
I own a PS4 and a XBOX One and I haven't touched either of them in months because none of those exclusives are worthwhile. Console fanbois pleasure themselves to the though that we cry jealous tears over Halo and Gears of War but it just isn't the fucking case.
>Have to buy a decent chair
So I take it you sit in a folding lawn chair to play console games? Furniture costs money, and you get what you pay for
>EXCLUSIVES AGAIN
A game doesn't become better just because you're part of the only gigantic group that can play it friend.

>>384304214
those aren't accurate enough to have a advantage over mouse in precision but i only have experience with wii

>>384304279
>lies
>lies
>lies
>lots
>not an argument
>lies
>couches have other uses idiot
>lies

>>384281924
Nearly 140 posts in and peecucks can't counter.

Best games.
Best technology.
Best utility.

Couldn't give less of a shit about consoles. Even the handhelf I own is a fucking waste.

>>384305157
triggered lol

go back to the no ball nursery

>>384305263
>can't even use capitalization, punctuation or full sentences
>apparently I'm the triggered one

>>384305409
>so triggered he feels the need to capitalize to bolster his argument
lol

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>>384304559
>dismisses fact as lie because he can't argue
>dismisses fact as lie because he can't argue
>dismisses fact as lie because he can't argue
>just says "lots" without actually giving any examples
>"It's not an argument to call me out on ad hominem"
>dismisses fact as like because he can't argue
>"Couches have other uses" "Like what?" "Idunno sitting?" This applies to all chairs, dingus
>I honestly can't even work out how you could interpret that last one as a lie
Are you thick or just doing this for laughs?

>>384305638
Anon you already lost, there no point posting anymore.

>>384305702
>not an argument
>not an argument
>not an argument
>wah wah spoonfeed me
>two non-arguments don't make an argument
>what lol?
>sit while you read stories, sit while you watch a movie, sit while you pet a dog
>not an argument

>>384305748
shut up idiot you're just trying to psyop me into not posting anymore so you can win

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>>384305748
>>384305263
>>384304738

>>384281924
its bait but im replying anyway

>>Native control scheme is shit for anything accept shooters
Yeah starcraft brood war (rts) for N64 was great, the control scheme for the PC port sucked though :(

>>USB controller support is nonexistent for most games and really shitty in most of the games that do support it.
you're not wrong, but you're also a mong if you can't get a controller working in less than 5 minutes by downloading and installing a fix.
>No couch multiplayer
literally wrong, many PC games have couch multiplayer

>PC gamers are known to be socially stunted weeb virgins
>Missing out on countless exclusives for current consoles and can't even reliably emulate older consoles without input lag
and consoles are missing out on 10 fold even better PC exclusives, so it's a more than fair trade.
>Have to either shell out a hundred dollars for a quality gaming chair or sit hunched over your keyboard like a hunchback freak
how much does a good couch cost again? upwards of 300? oh
>PC hasn't had a non-indieshit exclusive for about a decade
just wrong

>>384306252
>rts
dead genre lol
>janky third party fix
no thanks lol
who plays a pc game couch style
>not an argument
>not an argument
PEOPLE USUALLY HAVE COUCHES ALREADY YOU FUCKING MORON
>totally correct