so now that evo is over and the dust has settled which is the

T7, Xrd, Kof 14

anything else is filler.

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>Anything current
>Quality

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>>384270524
Guilty Gear and Blazblue are great. Tekken is really good too.
SFV is garbage.
>Smash

Even as a meleefag I have to say that it shouldn't be at evo anymore, it had its run just let it die. Take sm4sh off as well cause it's fucking ass. T7 is the best fightan currently.

>>384271075
>Even as a meleefag I have to say that it shouldn't be at evo anymore, it had its run just let it die. Take sm4sh off as well cause it's fucking ass. T7 is the best fightan currently
>meleefag
sure thing.

>>384270524
Tekken

>one of the big boys
>not some obscure weeb 2d anime fighting game with 15 players globally
>has a big community on both console and PC
>played by Koreans so you know it's good
>not a shit game like sfv

>>384270524
Tekken has by far the most depth no doubt

Kof 14 or Tekken 7

Blaz stole the show to be honest.
Guilty Gear is great, but the top 8 was very boring.
KOF and Tekken are very good
>Comeback Fighter 5
>Super Party Game 4/Melee

I'm sorry, but Melee just needs to go.

>>384271420
>Kof 14

>p-pls buy our game or our studio will shut down

>>384270874
fpbp

>>384270524
Is T7 fun?
I don't know jack shit about fighting games except for doing the Skullgirls tutorial

>>384270874
this

>>384271507
Educate youself, Melee counts to the most difficult fighting games in existence

>>384270524
Tekken 7 surprising absolutely no one

Guilty Gear, Blazblue, KoF, and Tekken were the only games that interested me. I still don't get why smash is up there twice.

Sm4sh had the best last GF Match with that combo.

I wanna say Tekken 7 or Sm4sh, those are my favorites so far. The Geese Howard guest char was pretty good, some anons mentioned it some months back.

Yes yes yes take melee off! I don't care if smash Wii U goes or stays it for the love of god take melee off. It takes in killer views and is super exciting to watch but it's just not the right game for evo. Let melee create another BIG tournament for itself, it doesn't need evo

The ceiling in T7 is ridiculous. The 3 koreans are truly Tekken Gods. The gulf between them and everyone else is miles wide. Even Anakin who looks fantastic against all stateside competition gets his asshole torn apart without mercy by these guys.

>>384271692
Not because of that, but because of the fact it's stale anymore.

I hope Melee is replaced by Icons next EVO. Melee needs to go.

Smash 4 too because it's a garbage spectator game.

>>384271943
>Saturday morning
>80k views tops

>>384271526
>being this edgy and underaged
It's a technically better game than SF5, you can't deny this.

>>384272001
>Not because of that, but because of the fact it's stale anymore
xie?

>>384271494
Blaz and KOF has the best finals. Fuck Carl though

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>>384271661
I found it fun for a few hours, but it's not very welcoming to new players. Most people I know have had a lot more success starting out with Guilty Gear, because it has really thorough and fun tutorials that teach the basics of fighting games

>>384272006
>spectator game
what does that even mean?

>>384271948
Didn't these guys have access to the game earlier?

>>384272202
Boring to watch. Not very hard to understand that, you should check your head.

>>384271661
yeah shit is good, never played a fighting game seriously before T7 and I've put in 100 hours.

I've tried other fighting games in the past and nothing clicked, but tekken did, I think mostly because it's a bit slower than some other games making it less of a steep climb to build your reaction speed up, and it's much more defensive than other games as well, with your blocking highs and mids automatically when you're not doing anything, so you're not in any huge pressure to constantly be pressing stuff

no tutorials for the game, but you can find out how to play through youtube videos and guides

>>384272342
Yeah but Tekken is a legacy heavy game. The universal mechanics are the most important factor in high level play. For example that jap who was playing Steve was a low parrying God.

>>384272376
So because you find it boring to watch, it shouldn't be at EVO is what you're saying? That seems kinda dumb.

>>384270524
From best to worst:

Tekken 7
GG
KoF XIV
BB
MvC3
Injustice 2
SFV
Smash meele
Smash Wii U

>>384272813
Not him, but I agree with him especially because Smash hardly qualifies as a fighting game series. It needs to go.

>>384272342
tekken has been the same for 15 years

What was the viewcount for smash wiiu?

>>384273660
>Smash hardly qualifies as a fighting game series
How does it hardly qualify?

>>384272051
Melee broke records for Saturday viewership at evo...

>Including Smash Bros

>>384270524
BB, GG, T7, KoF.
GG is my fav game, but shit finals thanks to Omito ascending to godhood.
SFV finals was worth watching just to see a man break utterly and to finally see Tokido win a Evo.

>>384272051
it got 130k and broke the saturday record

got into tekken on pc at launch, never played much of any fighting game previously, now completely hooked.

the community on steam is really strong, and I know it's a lot better than other fighting games on PC. anyone here play any others on steam that have decent enough player bases? I want to pick up another fightan so that I don't get burned out on just playing tekken. would rather play something other than SFV though, just heard too many bad things about that game as well as it's dlc system

>>384270524
Tekken = GGR2 > BBCF > SFV > MvC3 > KoFXIV > I2 > Smash

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a pleasant fighting game discussion gets shit on by Smash autists, as usual

T7 is the best 3d fighter ever made and it's only gonna get better.

Is T7 a good Tekken to jump into the series? I never really bothered with the other games, but they always looked fun. I loved SC2 and juggling as a concept seems neat, but it's the only 3D fighter I've invested any time in.

>>384274290
>party game autists invade and try to ruin the fighting game talk

nothing new

>>384275184
right now is probably the best time to get into tekken seeing as the other big name fighter is shit at the moment

Melee

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>>384270524
Fantasy Strike.
You guys should really consider it. It's still in development, but it is already balanced and alot of fun. Easy to pick and play, hard to master.

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BB

>>384275794
Is that a chick?

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>>384275794
>carl shitter won
Fenrich didn't deserve to lose

>>384275794
>pretty boy twink dominates japanese salaryman

>>384274123
>Omito.
Yeah, he was playing a completely different game than everyone else it felt like. I've followed his stream and watched his Evo 2016 footage as a Johnny main myself and he played a very conservative, very safe game that he doesn't usually play. I only once saw him blow meter for a Sigh setup, he seldom used Treasure Hunt BnBs, never used his TK lvl3 into SDTH, and didn't go for flashy j.d cancel loops.
Just played solid

I liked Kof XIV and SFV GF

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>>384270524
>which is the best current fightan?
It's not in your pic.

why did KOF14 go with 3d models?

game looks like a ps2 game

>>384275794
Japan lives in eternal opposite day. This they consider masculine but a fit guy they consider homosexual.

>>384275794
>mfw no pixel

>>384276423
SNK should just stick to 2D, they're masters at that.

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>tekken is literally the only alive fighting game on pc

>>384270879
WHY'S IT SO DEAD BROS
IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE LIKE THIS
BRING BACK VSAV AND 3S

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BlazBlue had a god tier Grandfinal, seeing Ryusei getting resetted and then chased down by Fenrich to 2:2 after the reset was amazing, especially after the fucking comebacks he pulled after it was almost sure he was about to lose the round.

Street Fighter V. Accessable, readable, gorgeously animated; fights are about outsmarting the oponnent rather than doing the longest/most complicated combo and with no execution barrier to speak of.

It's the Soul Calibur of 2D fightan.

>>384276423
>>384276678
Because its cheaper, 13 took shit loads of time and money.

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Hypest moment in the entire tourney?

For me it's DON'T WAKE DADDY

For as much as I like melee, Tekken 7, GG, and KoF14 are what I watched most and what I want to see more of.

Also rip marvel, hope DBZF pans out well and takes its place.

the actual question is

which is the best secondary game to play alongside Tekken 7?

>>384277469
GG, unless you like 3v3 games

>>384275794
I never knew BB players were /fa/

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>>384277375

>>384275794
It's like a japanese h-manga.

Salary Man getting cucked by a flamboyant pretty boy.

>>384276405
>Make a great fighting game
>hold it hostage on a system no one owns
>bring it to PC as an episodic, W10 store only, bullshit fest with no graphics settings
>wait until literally no one on earth gives a damn that it exists any more
>"hey guys, just kidding! We'll bring it to Steam now haha!"

Fuck off, ya idiots. Ya blew it.

>>384276678
Their backgrounds are still good

>>384270524
Xrd is a fine game but damn that top 8 was a snoozefest

KOF and BB had hype ones tho. T7 too I guess but yet another saint x jdcr gfs can't be that exciting

>>384271948
It might also have something to do with them having the game a shitton longer than people who don't live in Korea/Japan

>>384276405
Steam when

>>384272056
But anon
>Shit PC port so hardly anyone in China or Mexico plays it
>Only richfags in China, Mexico or Latin America have a PS4 so no one plays it on console

If a game is good but it has no players. Does it make a FGC tourney?

>>384277716
being the devs for KI must be suffering

make a great game and it's held hostage, not once but twice, on dead platforms

>>384277640
>>384277375
what was this?

>>384277906
final round in kof 14 grand finals

>>384270874
This.

BlazBlue was fun to watch too.

Tekken 7 was so hype for me. I got the game on launch but I got bored kinda quickly. But the game sure is fun to watch when played at that high level with that kind of awesome commentary and at a big event like EVO. I'll try to watch more Tekken. Already loooking forward to next EVO.

>>384277716
>bring it to PC as an episodic, W10 store only, bullshit fest with no graphics settings
>"hey guys, just kidding! We'll bring it to Steam now haha!"
You autis faggots do not deserve any fighting games. If you refuse to play a game that you would otherwise love simply because it requieres THE WRONG KIND OF DRM then you can all go fuck yourselves. You asshats are the exact opposite of what a true gamer is.

>>384270874
I would add Killer Instinct to the list. But yeah, fpbp.

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Melee was just good ol fun this year, where as sm4sh was just stale and felt like it was just forcing the tournament scene of a game that will not age anywhere near as well as melee seeing how all the top players have to play like

>>384278018
>carl

Nope

>>384278454
>Melee
>Same top 5 as always
>Same Armada winning
>Smash 4
>Actual diversity
>ZeRo got rekt for once

>>384270524
how is smash even in the same league as those other fighting games?

literally the biggest party game, it's comparing a prius to 69 GTO

>>384278454
Weird because I felt the total opposite?

melee was literally just "the same ol"

Smash 4 you at least got to see a scarflard breakdown

>>384278454
"wow I can't wait for the same ol armada hungrybox m2k mango wankfest again!"

"B-BUT SOME SAMUS PLAYER GOT 14th AND A YOSHI ALMOST MADE IT OUT OF POOLS, LOOK AT THAT CHARACTER VARIETY!"

Did Zero hang himself with his scarf after losing?

>Smashfags invading evo thread like always
This is for fighting games. Take your kidshit elsewhere, you stinking autistic fucks.

>>384278264
Fuck off. I already bought it once for W10 and could even play with XBO players but you know what? No one owns it so I've been playing the same 4 people over and over again. I'm not buying it a second time.

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>>384278859
>two slots out of the nine main events
>not a fighting game

>smash 4 got the main stage on sunday over your "real" fighting games

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>>384270524
Tekken 7, Xrd, Blaze Blue, and KoF if you're Mexican.

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>>384270524
I just have to say that watching injustice was painfully boring. That aquaman mirror in Grand Finals was fucking ASS

>>384278937
So, I suppose if you were to include StarCraft on there, it would make it a fighting game? Retard.

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>>384270524
Tekken easily

>>384278869
Maybe that's an issue of where you live. There are definitely still people playing it, maybe you're just too far away and can't get a good connection. Especially with cross-platfirm play, finding players shouldn't be an issue.

>>384278859
But the thread is being shit up by insecure FG fans. Maybe try not talking about smash if you don't want them to keep responding?

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>>384279049

>>384278937
America harbors too many nintenbros.

SFV was extremely entertaining to watch this year. I don't get all the hate. People say the balance is worse but as long as the top 8 isn't filled with only Nash and Chun then I consider it better. There was 8 different characters including an amazing Zangief, which I see too many complaints about being bad. I believe SFV is good now.

>>384276814
Because nobody actually plays it. A bunch of furry secondaries only pretend to. The people who actually play it are VERY tight knit.

>>384279049
>let me bring up some completely irrelevant game that isn't even there

What the fuck even is your argument

XRD > KoF14 > Tekken 7 > shit > SF > Marvel > Injustice

Unsure about Blaz

>>384279009
Sounds like every NetherRealm game. MK and first injustice were just as boring to watch. At least they are fun to casually mash with friends.

>>384279198
Do you even understand what ''moving the goals'' means? Fucking retard. No wonder you're a Smashfag.
It's not a fighting game just because it's featured at EVO. The only reason that happened was because the Melee community threw in a bunch of money. That's it. They bought their way in.

>>384270874
This.
Blazblue is fun, so I give it an honorable mention. SFV and Injustice 2 are pretty garbage.

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>It was marvel's last year
>being replaced by this abomination

it fucking hurts bros, I know the game had flaws but I loved it...

>>384279292
His argument was that since the games are featured at EVO, they're fighting games. I just obliterated his argument is all.

>>384270524
>EVO Japan trailer
>ARMS is in, Melee is out

What did they mean by this?

>>384279049
Dude how fucking dumb are you?

It being included at evo is BECAUSE it's a fighting game, as the people who even fucking run evo would tell you.

Going by your own retarded argument, thats exactly WHY starcraft is not there

Like what kind of stupid example is that?

>>384279342
MKX is definitely more entertaining than injustass, don't get me wrong I don't like either of them but FUCK injustass is so much worse, the combos are repetative, and nothing feels like it has weight behind it

>>384279389
>Yipes will have to commentate and fake hype for this turd.
Can't wait.

>>384279656
>It being included at evo is BECAUSE it's a fighting game
To be fair, Catherine is at Evo too.
Not that guy

>>384279224
Zangief has been top 10 for months now. The balance is still shit. If nothing changes, you will never see an Alex, Juri, Ryu etc in top 8. The game isn't good mechanically, either. No defensive options, half the v systems are shit, fireball game is dead, jumping is encouraged due to low risk high reward combos, etc. You sound like an outsider looking in. No one has called Zangief bad since December, Nash and Chun aren't filling because they were gimped.

Keep in mind I still think the game has time to grow, but come on, it's not even close to there yet.

>>384279656
>Reddit spacing

Dude.

Why are you typing like this?

It makes you look like a fucking underage Youtube commenter.

Stop it, faggot.

>>384279704
>"We're not shilling."

>All these people saying Blazblue

What's the appeal of that game? I tuned in for the finals and half the matches almost ended in timer scam since the entire "neutral" was throwing out random mixups and frametraps until something landed and then confirming into 60% of your opponent's health bar.

Finals with Jin vs Carl were a snore to watch and I can't fathom why anyone would find it interesting unless they like flashy combos with little subtance.

>>384270524
T7 and Xrd were really good. SFV just a tad below for me.

>>384279669
>MKX is definitely more entertaining than injustass
>Lich vs Lich vs Lich vs Lich vs that faggot with a bow
That's the only thing I remember from MKX tourneys.

>>384279854
>It makes you look like a fucking underage Youtube commenter.

I see the kettle has met the pot

>>384279854
Is it that easy to trigger /V/?

I heard also referring to this place as "this sub" helps a lot

>>384279946
>since the entire "neutral" was throwing out random mixups and frametraps until something landed and then confirming into 60% of your opponent's health bar.
As someone who likes Tekken surely you can understand how stupid what you're saying is, given that it gets the exact same type of comments from people for the exact same reasoning.

Am I the only one who likes all the game and hopes they stay for next year?

>>384279348
But he was talking about sm4sh, and you could say Nintendo got sm4sh into evo, but they've long stopped supporting the games. Also the same can be said about MVC3 and the votes.

>>384280268
You moron

>>384280024
really I usually see alien and that gun slinger dude, but I mean lich and bow fag are better than aquaman, he literally just spams one move where he pokes the enemy over and over

so is guilty gear xrd2 playable in europe? Are there enough players?

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Fresh from reddit baybeee

>>384280116
PROTIP: the more people hate you here, the more correct you are.

>>384280350
MvC3 got in because it's a fighting game and MvC2 was a fighting game and MvC was a fighting game. Smash Bros is not a fighting game and does not belong at EVO. There are already large Smash centered tournaments and events. Stay there instead of infecting our events with your deodorant dodging autism.

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I hope that next year they give the stop before SFV (because let's be honest that piece of shit is staying right where it is) to Tekken. Great game, great visuals, listen to their fans, great roster and it's getting better.

Aside from that GG, BB is way too anime to take off or for me to like it, and now with the cross over with all that weebshit it's going to look even weirder for a Sunday spot.

/v/ is going to disagree but Melee was great and once again proved that it deserves to be there. Not even SFV could beat the 240K of last year that Melee got one spot before, and it also broke 130k on Saturday, the highest on Saturday ever and barely beat by Smash 4 and Tekken on Sunday.

Sadly next year we are guaranteed MvCI before SFV, Tekken continuing to be cucked out of the glory it deserves.

>>384280538
Capcom literally on suicide watch. How the hell will they recover?

GG xrd rev 2 > Melee = T7 > BB > KoFXIV > I2 > UmvC3 > Smash 4 > Shit fighter V

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>>384280690
>Melee was great and once again proved that it deserves to be there

>this gets posted time and time again with no actual argument behind it
It was literally just "the same old" No shocks or surprises, the hungrybox drama about coaching with the most noteworthy part. Not the gameplay. Drama.

>>384280749
>How the hell will they recover?
Super Street Fighter V

>>384280919
>good attendance
>good viewership
>good top 8

The matches are great, the winners are stale, but the gameplay is still good, that's why people watch it.

>>384280690

>Just counts twitch viewers

>Not TV viewers that Sm4sh and SFV got

Meleefags BTFO

>>384280265
I give Tekken a pass because it's much faster paced in regards to the neutral. Doesn't change the criticisms of BB either.

How the fuck can smash players watch fox v fox v falco for TEN FUCKING YEARS?

I mean shit, they go into shreaking autism fits every time a jigglypuff wins anything and acts like the game is dying

Before you bring up some shit like Samus or Yoshi, they never fucking make top 8 and you know it.

>>384275794
Fen was ascending mid-match with his play, fuck Carl.

>>384280690
Melee is a "solved" game in much the same way MvC3 is. It's hype as fuck, but if you've been watching for any amount of time you know exactly how matches play out.

At this point the majority of the viewership is there for the unga bunga HOYYYYPEEEEE and personalities.

>>384281139
I mean those views are guaranteed and when it comes down to it don't count for much aside from filling the pockets of jews like MrWiz.

Watch how Smash 4 continues in decline along with SFV, TV views did not mattered last year (SFV lost 50% of it's entrants despite of being on TBS regularly) and will not matter the next one.

>>384281012
stockholm syndrome

>>384279946
As someone who follows BlazBlue matches constantly (especially the ones in Japan), time scam happens RARELY. It's just that some players in the top 8 were laming it out due to their opponent being a strong bullshit character with too many options (Carl and Arakune).

Fenrich and Ryuusei play each other a lot before this and time ups never happened in their previous matches until this EVO one.

>>384280649
No there was a player vote, where people used money to see who got a spot, it beat out Pokken, Arms, and Windjammers, and SG. Also you can cry all you want about how smash isn't a fighting game, use the same old r/kappa insults, etc. I don't really care, it's still gonna be at EVO either way.

>>384278749
People have been mentioning how Sm4sh was more interesting, but I just can't see it after having watched the GF of Sm4sh. It's fucking slow as balls in comparison, barely any fucking interesting happens, every game goes to pretty much the last minute every time. It's a god damn slog to watch. At least Melee, while a bit bad for Grand Finals, was at least quick and painless.

>>384281192
Because Fox vs Fox is high execution, fast-paced and allows for a lot of creativity, hence why one Fox player can look very, very different from another in terms of play style.
With Puff, there is more or less one viable strat, which is the one Hbox figured out. That's the reason why there is only one Puff player at this level. You can't play the character in any other way and still get that far. There is no room for creativity.
The same applies to Samus and Yoshi, but to a far lesser extent. Samus could very well win a major in the hands of the right player. If Hbox was a Samus main, he'd probably be able to slaughter people like Mango, since Samus is incredibly defensive and hard to kill, as opposed to Puff who dies if you sneeze at her. Yoshi has other shortcomings that keep him from reaching far, plus he's extremely tricky to play. One of the most execution heavy characters in the game, but also very lacking in his defensive options.

I see this thread has already been claimbed by my fellow r/kappa brothers.
I will try to upvote you all.

>>384281192
Yesterday the first fox ditto in Evo top 8 history happened and there was no Falco in top 8 except if Mango pulled him out which I don't remember. If he did it wasn't vs fox though. Peach won (as she always does) so idk what you're talking about

>>384280450
yes, but Europe is mostly on pc

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Everyone's fighting for second place

Tekken is a quality game but being a Z-axis fighter it'll always be below the top 2D fighter

Mr. Wizard went drunk in the EVO after party and he leaked the entire line up for EVO 2018:

SFV
Tekken 7
MvCI replaces UMvC3
DBFZ replaces GGXrdR2
BBX replaces BBCF
Fighting EX Layer
Injustice 2
KoFXIV
Gundam Versus

>Thanks to ESPORTS and ESPN, Seth Killian and James Chen don't commentate together like in previous years
>Seth barely even talked this year in favor of Steve, who even did the sign off.
>TV coverage stopped when winners were lining up
>Graphics don't even say "See you next year!" anymore
>Gootecks looks like he's aged 25 years in the span of a weekend
RIP

Anything that isn't-
>>384270874
Oh, already covered.

>>384281692
I seriously doubt this considering Europe is sony country and here in America everyone's on PS4

>>384281594
Sm4sh has only gotten faster since its launch. The problem with the GF is that:

One player is Zero, who plays a really solid Diddy and that includes defensive when need be.
The other is Salem, who is literally the lamest player in the scene (think HBox levels of camp) using Bayonetta, one of the most overtuned characters in the game.

>>384281192
Because 10 years later Melee is the game that keeps on giving.

https://youtu.be/qIsTgPo71Kc?t=10m40s

Probably the best Fox Falco set of all time and it was on January.

>>384270524
tekken , GG , pretty solid
BB is fun
other are Garbage.
reminder no Ki at this evo because trash people voted fort smash.
disgusting.

>>384281192
It's funny cause Mango didn't even use his Falco at all in top 8.

>>384281626
>the first fox ditto in Evo top 8 history happened
What the fuck? I actually went and check this and it turned out to be true. So far, there has only been one Fox vs Fox in top 8. Weird.

>>384281626
>ditto

It's called MIRROR match, fucking Smash babby.

>>384281784
But at least Chen still cried.

>>384281598
>With Puff, there is more or less one viable strat, which is the one Hbox figured out. That's the reason why there is only one Puff player at this level. You can't play the character in any other way and still get that far. There is no room for creativity.
This doesn't make sense. If there is only one viable way to play Puff then that means copycats should have an easier time mimicking the style and performing extremely well. The fact that HBox is always the only puff to even make it past Pools confirms that he's simply good and other people suck.

>>384281192
metas evolve and character play changes

>How the fuck can smash players watch fox v fox v falco for TEN FUCKING YEARS?

I wish it was just fox v fox v falco and jiggs/peach could fuck off. Marth is cool tho

>>384281893
>wtf? I got BTFO and turns out my arguments are memes spouted by r/kappa retards? Weird

Well you look at that.

>>384281784
Gootecks has been aging horribly these past few years.

Also where's ultradavid? I liked him and James on the desk together.

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>>384278937
It generates money. Nintendo autists are a valuable resource. That's the only reason they're allowed. Nintendo games are about letting little kids pretend they're playing real video games. This way, we let them pretend Smash is a fighting game but it all comes down to money.

>>384273950

Peaked at 142k during GF, was about 120k for most of the top 8. There was some issue were twitch wouldn't let new people into the stream so it got down to 60-80k during that time.

>>384281946
Yeah and everyone is like THATS STUPID GET THAT OLD MAN OFF THE MIC

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>>384281827
No shit, but this game doesn't exist on xbox. For some reason, with the choice between GG on ps4 or pc, euros went with pc

>>384281871
Smash wasn't in the donation drive you dunce. MvC3 won that anyway.

>>384281896
>Smash uses different terminology
>Look at these autistic faggots and their made up words
>Smash uses same terminology
>Look at these autistic faggots copying us
It's always been called a ditto. Same with spacing instead of footsies. It's just what we call it.

>>384281732
Just fucking sucks that they made Millia pretty much worthless. She gets to pick what she excels at, damage, knockdown or mixups. Putting everything good about her behind a single-use move that requires getting it back afterwards is a fucking pain in the ass on top of already being a pretty hard character to play. I don't mind her getting some nerfs, I do mind them just outright gating everything good about her. Might as well pick Sin and automatically be 'good' at the game without actual effort. Or go back to Slayer and destroy my hands learning backdash cancel shenanigans.

>>384282063
>There was some issue were twitch wouldn't let new people into the stream so it got down to 60-80k during that time.
Yeah what was up with that? For like an hour or two I couldn't get the site to load at all.

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>>384281963
>I wish it was just fox v fox v falco and jiggs/peach could fuck off. Marth is cool tho

Someone needs to fucking screencap this
Literally melee autism laid bare

>>384276824
shit would have rivaled the 14' BB GFs but Ryusei had to edge out salaryman

>>384281896
Lol next time try correcting me after you learn to spell, fucking FGC baby

>>384281952
You're partly right. Hbox is insanely good and the other Puffs just don't know how to play that character properly. You need nerves of steel to pull it off and a fundamental understanding of how neutral works with different players.

>>384282205
post it on r/kappa while you're at it

faggot

>>384281963
Holy fucking shit can you guys please leave the FGC alone then

>>384282307
>can you guys please leave the FGC alone then

we don't care about the FGC, I'm just here because melee's at evo

>>384282034
What the fuck are you talking about, man? I'm not that same poster. I just found it interesting that despite watching every EVO since 2013, I was surprised to see that there haven't been Fox dittos in top 8 before now. No reason to get so smug.

>>384282307
No

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>>384282130
brb, gotta find my pin

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>>384281896
Why use fighting game terminology if it isn't a fighting game? :^)

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It just dawned on me that capcom is the nintendo of fighting games. No matter how badly they fuck up they will always be a constant in gaming and fervent fanboys will always defend them.

I'm just here to say that Blazblue is awful and I'm ashamed to see it getting praised so much here.

>>384281828
I appreciate the detail put into making Bayonetta, but when she came out, she was broken as hell. Her witch time, allowed her to do a stupid easy tod combo. Her jab could kill. If she missed her witch time she couldn't get punished. And instead only recieved half the damage, any other character would take for that kind of slip up. She has a good projectile, and extra damage on her ariels and tilts, if you hold them. Did nobody check to see if she was balanced before releasing her?

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>>384281963
>>I wish it was just fox v fox v falco and jiggs/peach could fuck off. Marth is cool tho

>>384282114
your right
so 2 smash game. Why is this allowed?
people pick mvc3 instead ki.
really make me think

>>384282307
No smash players give a shit about the FGC unless they also play fighting games. No one asked to be at Evo, we were asked to come back to Evo. So maybe we should be asking you to leave us alone

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>>384270524
Tekken 7 is the most fun to play at the moment but I may be biased as Tekken has been my main series since T2

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>>384270524
Injustice 2 is close to being interesting but holy fuck NRS has a serious zoner boner and it completely kills the game.

My vote goes to Tekken 7 or Guilty Gear. Killer Instinct unfortunately never took off even though it deserved to. I'll give a special shout out to Melee but there needs to be a fighter that properly takes its place. It really is too old now. Fuck Smash 4.

>>384282517
KI is dead jim, deal with it.

>>384282457
I agree, it's tropey weebshit. But it is fun from time to time.

>>384282235
>Thinking "babby" is an unintentional mispelling

Hownew.ru

Of course it's to be expected form a Smash babby who's probably been here for at most 2 years.

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>>384282050
Sakurai says a lot of things and can not really be cited when arguing about this. The guy contradicts himself all the time.
The only logical conclusion is that Smash is a hybrid game.

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>>384282394
Fucking hell it's ass. And unless you're real fucking good, getting your pin back after knockdown doesn't leave you enough time to actually get a good mixup anyway, so you might as well pop that 25-50% meter per knockdown for some quality mixups.

The problem with the endless skill ceiling of melee is that the best players are still getting better. Even if you get passed the huge hurdle of being able to keep up with the APM and tech skills, you still have mind games and matchups to consider. The gods are considered gods for a reason, they have consistently proven themselves to keep up with what ever new direction melee will go into. Its going to take a few retirements to shake things up at the top levels.

Blazblue is my favorite to watch, but I can't play a game that Arakune exists in
So Guilty Gear

>>384270874
fpbp

BB isn't that bad though, but why would you play it over GG?

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>>384282205
Wish granted.

>>384282205
>>384282484
the best SF game (TS) is only a few characters at top placements

inb4 Alex won this year in Japan so that invalidates a decade of play

>>384282613
STUPID SMASH BABY DELET THIS

>>384282447
>IT'S JUST NOT FAIR BROS.
CAPCOM WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE.

Retards need to play the games they supposedly think are so good if they don't like capcom games.
Capcom fucks up, that's nothing new, but people still like the games for a reason.

Evo 2018:

>Dragonball FighterZ
>Dissidia Final Fantasy NT
>ARMS
>Super Smash Bros. Melee
>Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
>Street Fighter V
>BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle
>Injustice 2
>Tekken 7

>>384281963
MY BOY I BELIEVE YOU CAUGHT A LITTLE CASE OF THE 'TISM

>>384282589
ki on steam soon.

>>384282381
>we don't care about the FGC, I'm just here because melee's at evo

And this is why Smash fags are cancerous. You faggots just want spotlight and a place to circlejerk instead of celebrating fighting games. There are other dedicated Smash tournaments out there, why can't you fags just stay there?

>>384282709
>TS
>the best SF game

>>384278018
I agree but only up until Nine got knocked out of Top8, the technical skill of the GF players was cool and all but boring as fucking hell compared to how hype Nine's play was

>>384280325
I think it is a pretty solid line up. Marvel will replace Marvel. They have almost a year post launch for it to get its shit together. BB may be replaced by DBF. BB fans may be bothered by that, but DBF will probably have insane entrant numbers. NRS is gonna get in no matter what, but they are at least managing to not make their games worse as time goes on. Tekken and GG are in a really good place and probably have a minimum of two more Evos to go. Smash is Smash. KoF looks like it may be in a rough place. I'd like to see it stay, but would understand seeing it go.

>>384273723
If it ain't broke don't fix it

>>384282457
>Being this mad that BasedBlue cucked Guilty Queer

LMAO hope you enjoy next year when BB will still be included in the form of Cross Tag Battle while Rev2 gets replaced with DBFZ.

>>384282858
Blame fucking Dora_Bang for dropping his Bang in favor of Mu-12.

He was doing amazing with Bang on Saturday.

>>384273035
t. faggot.

>>384278428
they should have dropped smash4 and kept KI, and i say that as someone who really enjoys smash and doesn't even own an xbox

KI was a really hype fighter, no idea why MS just abandoned their EVO spot when it was one of the last things Xbox had going for it

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Looking forward to this game in January.

Are Jap commentators any good?

>>384282847
Did I stutter?

>>384279534
Japs don't play Melee

>>384283040
No, you just said something retarded.

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Smash Bros is a fighting/platform game. This is a valid genre now that we've seen plenty of other Smashlike games popping up on the market.
Genres aren't all set in stone. There are sub-genres and genre blending. A game does not need to play exactly like SF to be a fighting game, similar to how a game doesn't need to play exactly like Super Mario 64 to be a 3D platformer.
Genres only exist to make it easier for us to categorise games and it doesn't really matter what you call it, outside of EVO debates.

>>384282824
>suddenly pretending like you give a shit about injustice/kof and watched them

Lol

I play rev 2 as well, got left behind for sfv

>>384282824
Let me say this again: Evo wanted smash this year, not the other way around. Sorry your flagship tournament can't get high numbers of entrants OR viewers without smash. Hopefully next year smash won't be there and then Evo can die and you'll post about how smash is cancerous because it abandoned you

Sm4sh you fucking idiot.

>>384283130
t. I can't into advanced tech

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>>384279534
Melee is repetitive to the point not even the primary consumers of grindan games can take it anymore.

>>384282824

Smash as a whole has been getting shit on by the FGC since its inception, why the fuck should they care about the FGC when every fucking time these threads come up its a stupid shit flinging contest.

Anyone watch the Smash finals on Disney xD?

>>384283331
lmao
Ok, r/kappa.

>>384283194
>buttonmashing babby playing rev2
Let me guess: 10% victories?

>>384282824
>And this is why Smash fags are cancerous. You faggots just want spotlight and a place to circlejerk instead of celebrating fighting games. There are other dedicated Smash tournaments out there, why can't you fags just stay there
How is just being there for one game cancerous? What if I think all the current games are shit, except for one? I'm not bothering anybody, I pay my ticket which contributes to EVO, stay for X game, and leave. Also what is this celebration of fighting games shit you're going on about? All EVO is, is just a source of income for pros, or exposure for upcoming players.

>kof 14
That fucking "daimon". Holy shit.

>>384270524
SFV finals were really hype, and it was pretty funny seeing the constant outfit changes away from anything ESPN/Disney didn't like.

all the Top8s this year were good except Injustice 2 which was a fucking awful joke, MKX would've been better IF ONLY for the slim chance of a fatality to break up the monotony of NRS sandbag combat

whats with this salt around injustice

>>384283658
one person steamrolled the entire tournament spamming one broken move on Aquaman.

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>>384271075
I love Melee to death, and I feel like the community has reached a point where they're pretty desperate for a new game. That Icons game unfortunately looks rough as heck though and was revealed like a year too early. Rivals is the only good ripoff and that unfortunately doesn't have the roster size, production values, or frequency of content updates to garner a larger base. It's also for furfags made by someone who faps to Vaporeon.

It really pisses me off what happened to Smash. We know that Nintendo as a whole isn't averse to the idea of competitive games. Splatoon was made with both casual and competitive play in mind. Meanwhile Smash doesn't even bother with patch notes. For some reason they have to completely honor Sakurai's vision of making it the Mario Kart of fighting games. I can't even play Melee at a high level, I enjoy items and I like the pre-Smash 4 gimmick stages, but god damn every group of friends I've ever played with eventually turns all that shit off and likes to play to find out who's the best. So long as characters can use different kits, it will never be Mario Kart.

>>384283552
Its like going to the olympics, and only attending the one sport your country is good at.

>>384283741
welp thats getting nerfed

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>>384282967
Daily reminder that there's no rivalry between GG and BB. Most players either play both or are mostly unaware of the other's presence. The whole thing is literally shitposting.

>>384283357
I think one problem is that a lot of the FGC has this weird Stockholm syndrome going on, where they feel compelled to ''enjoy'' certain games despite them unanimously being regarded as bad. Take SF as the prime example. SFV is regarded as a straight downgrade from IV by almost everyone, but they still jump ship from IV to V because it's the new game. Smashfags don't do that. They still play Melee over Brawl or Smash 4. A phenomenon uncommon in the FGC. They have their one game that they're sticking with. It just makes them stick out even more and it cause some seemingly irrational anger from the FGC.

>>384283641
>sandbag combat
good opinion you have more

>>384283343
>Bayonetta in first
>ZeRo in 2nd
>Dabuz in 7th
I dunno how I feel about this, it's cool ZeRo got beaten. And Dabuz didn't get anything, but Bayonetta just rubs me the wrong way.

>>384283871
What if the people in attendance don't care about every sport(game)?

>>384283982
>I think one problem is that a lot of the FGC has this weird Stockholm syndrome going on, where they feel compelled to ''enjoy'' certain games despite them unanimously being regarded as bad.

only applies to capcu.cks Tbh

>>384283779
I feel like a big company needs to make a competitive version of smash with tech based on melee, but which don't work based on glitches and are actual design choices.
This way you can get a competitive game that has actual support and you can get balance changes, new content and tournaments I guess.
No nintendo characters may make it hard to sell, so it probably won't happen with a big company.

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>>384283779
>Fapping to Vaporeon
What a pleb. Jolteon is far superior.

>>384283983
Oh fuck off. Every NRS game since MK fucking 9 has had the same shitty sandbag animations and you damn well know it.

>>384283457
what did he mean by this?

>>384270524
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom :^)

>>384283007
whats your list then? Ill tell you how garbage it is.

>>384283779
In all honesty, the next Smash game probably won't have Sakurai spearheading, which will arguably be beneficial to the game. I can definitely see Nintendo putting Smash 4 on the Switch, but after that they'll need to rethink the game. They've tried to cater to both casuals and competitive players with Smash 4 and it worked out pretty well, but I think they're realising that there is quite a lot of money to be made in competitive gaming and NoA seem to be open for support. It's the JP portion of Nintendo, Sakurai included, that hate the scene. Once he's fading out of the development, Smash might get some serious competitive modes and support from Nintendo.

>>384283982
>SFV is regarded as a straight downgrade from IV by almost everyone
Tokido loves SFV. He's been saying this for a while now. SFIV was far from perfect when it came out and nobody liked SFIII at first either.
Think for yourself, don't let r/kappa meme you so hard.

>>384283552
You and your kind don't think of EVO as a fighting game tournament, you only think of it as a Smash tournament, period.

>What if I think all the current games are shit, except for one?
Then you're ignorant and are inside of a bubble, exactly like the rest of your kind.

>I'm not bothering anybody
You Smashfags being there at all is a bother because your games are out of place and you don't belong there. Those two slots should be for other ACTUAL fighting games that are more deserving.

>All EVO is, is just a source of income for pros, or exposure for upcoming players.
Spoken like a true Smashfag who is ignorant of the history of EVO and how far it has gone and only been attending in the recent years because Smash got included.

>>384279534
Japan has a very small melee scene.

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>SFV fans: "hey Capcom, you've been dicking us over, but we've stayed loyal, so could we maybe have Hugo please?"

Capcom: "lmao"

>>384284135
>This way you can get a competitive game that has actual support
That's the problem though. People who play Melee play Melee and nothing but Melee. When a new game comes along that tries to capture some of that audience, it always fails because even if it's similar to Melee, it is not Melee.
The Nintendo characters is a huge draw as well and without them, you get these generic nobodies in a game that will always be considered a worse version of Melee. As long as there even is a Melee scene, these games can not prosper. In order for people to jump ships, the ship must first sink to the bottom and that is not happening anytime soon.

>>384283059
>>384284446
>AMSA crying on twitter because he couldn't bring Melee to EVO Japan.
Feels pretty bad man.

BlazBlue.

>>384284451
Eh, he seems more fun than fucking kolin and ed

>>384283871
No it's not. I don't like every game/sport, I only like one, and I still like it regardless if my country is good at it or not. I find every other game/sport uninteresting.

>>384284642
fuck off Ono

>>384272115
>Fuck Carl though
Would gladly fuck Carl('s player who came on first).

>>384284352
>tokido
>starts to get first in his life
>wtf I love sfv now

>Tokido loves SFV. He's been saying this for a while now. SFIV was far from perfect when it came out and nobody liked SFIII at first either.
Think for yourself, don't let r/kappa meme you so hard.

none of those were a bigger fuck up than SFV at launch and started to get their shit together quickly, it's been 2 years and SFV is still a shitheap

>>384284451
I'm not saying that going with all new characters for S2 was the best idea, but if you just give people what they want (this goes for any company), there's never any innovation or new exciting shit.
Abigail looks goofy and disproportionate as fuck, but I think that's the whole point. Looks fun.

>>384284352
Yea, I know that. It's weird how SF3 was universally hated, yet two revisions later it ended up as one of the most beloved games in the franchise. Same with USFIV.
If Capcom can fix SFV they may just repeat history, but as it stands now it seems that most of the SF community, casual and professional, agree that SFV is disappointing, but that's where Capcom put their money so that's where players go.

>>384284561
>AMSA

Who?

>>384283982

I understand supporting the new game, but I don't think people really comprehend how different all the smash games play. Its like moving from Street Fighter IV to Mortal Kombat 2, just with graphical enhancements.

People don't want to stick to melee, but its the only game that plays like it. Project M was getting huge momentum as it was unifying the fractured brawl and melee communities.

Smash 4 was alright, its not as boring to play as brawl or as boring to watch and has managed to amass its own following. It still doesn't offer anything close the level of depth or excitement melee offers and the melee camp isn't going to move till smash games start at least attempting to reach melee's level.

>>384284735
Learn to read, I told you Tokido has been saying he likes the game for a while, not now that hes winning.
>it's been 2 years and SFV is still a shitheap
Again, think for yourself.

>>384283343

>9 characters in top 8

>>384284642
His face is nasty looking in an incompetent way. Like they tried to make it look good, but didn't have the skills to succeed. His gameplay looks silly in a fun way though.

>>384284517
Basically you need to capture the playstyles without blatantly copy pasting, and you need some kind of brand recognition since that crossover appeal is part of Smash's fun.

Public Domain Horror Smackdown?

>>384270524

Melee, SFV, BB and Tekken put on a great show for everyone. Everything else can burn.

>>384284735
>2 years

Only a year and a half.

>>384283779

>I don't like that my party game franchise isn't a competitive fighting game.

That's your problem

>>384284740
Yes, it is dissapointing in a lot of ways.
The important thing is that the core of the game is good and people have been saying what the game needs to become as fun as the other titles were.

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>>384284848
>Project M was getting huge momentum as it was unifying the fractured brawl and melee communities
There was that amazing time where PM was thriving as an in-between for Melee and Brawl. Almost everyone who played Brawl played PM and a good amount of Melee players were into it as well since a lot of their tech skills carried over. It was so nice to see so many players enjoying the game, even if some of the versions had wacky balance. It really seemed like it had found a perfect place in the scene and a bright future lied ahead.

Then, GimR happened..

>>384285002
>watching children's party games
please burn for me

Melee and SF5 were by far the best, and Twitch views agree.

>>384283641
>constant outfit changes away from anything ESPN/Disney didn't like
I remember that happening last year with R. Mika. Didn't Disney only have Smash? What could they change?

>>384284867
>Again, think for yourself.

yeah, it's a shitheap

you sound like someone who only plays capcom fighters, try out GG, KoF, Tekken, or even Injustice 2 is better than SFV fuck

>>384285002
But dat GG, though.

>>384284517

Project M was beating Melee in tournament sign ups.

>>384285002
Fuck you GG was great Top 8 was whatever though

>>384282517
nintendo pays for those games to be there, retard
MS did not pay for KI to be there
capcom only cares about SFV, so they made the marvel fans foot the bill on keeping it up there themselves.

it was a really shitty thing to do, making that poll in the first place, since it caused fans of every game on the ballot to rabidly attack each other over 'relevance' in FGC-- to the point where Lab Zero had to fucking "shoosh" the Skullgirls fanbase saying "Being on mainstage of EVO is not the end-all-be-all factor of being part of FGC, fucking calm down holy shit"

it also didn't prove anything since Pokken was being floated to Marvel's level on the funds of some rich furries and pokemaniacs (way less players putting in way more cash to keep up), and games like MKX and KI got practically no donations whatsoever

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Can someone give me a basic rundown of what exactly was wrong with SFV? Because, from what I've heard, it's that reaction play is severely gimped due to the native input latency and that the game is heavily focused on 50/50 mix-ups over a strong, technical combo game.

>>384285002
He said fighting games

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>>384285205
Guilty Gear is a great game and the matches in pools were some of the best at EVO, but the finals were a snooze

>>384285163
>this projecting
>reddit post
Ok, that's enough out of (You),

>>384275794
When I saw him expressing his victory, I had a huge hard on for him. Dude is fucking sexy I'm straight.

>>384285040
I know FGCfags act smug but the same thing is somewhat happening with SFV.
>Company doesn't listen
>makes a shit game
>now people want to move on the previous entries/games
>but they can't because moving to the next SF it's "the way it's supposed to be"

I ain't even mad, watching guys like Mike Ross go from the face of the FGC to someone that calls SFV shit, curses on stream and quits commentating all together out of his hatred for the game and the community he believes on it's sad as fuck. At leas at we Meleefags can keep on playing Melee.

>>384285364
How the fuck am I projecting? I own all those games, fucking retard

>>384285040
>Splatoon has the means to be a fun casual and rewarding competitive experience
>If it didn't have the latter, it would actually make for a worse game that was deliberately handicapped. No matter how much content was added it wouldn't help that the base experience cannot hold the attention of the audience beyond laughing at some bullshit.
Wait a minute this sounds familiar.

>>384285160
Disney XD aired SFV and Smash, I don't know why people seemed to conveniently forget this over and over (just to make more retarded jabs at Smash players like they weren't already the lowest hanging fruit)

And coincidentally, not only did Nuckledu not use Mika at all, Cammy only got one round off in her camisole before a guy rushed over and asked the player to change into her formal dress alt. Same with Zangief, he was in the bear costume the whole tourney, and Chun was only ever in *her* formal dress alt.

>>384285218
To be honest, PM was kind of free for some Melee players due to the input buffering. You could be really technical in PM with fairly little practice, if you were at least a little used to Melee.
Not trying to discredit the game or anything, but that's a big reason why the game had a large playerbase so early. Melee players saw it as a quick and easy way to earn some money on the side. Kudos to the Brawl players for picking it up though. I'd imagine they'd be turned off by the major increase in execution, but that wasn't the case. Further proof that Brawl players didn't prefer the game because it was easier to play.

>>384272006
i feel like youre same fagging, trust me smash 4 will always be better than melee, melee needs to die already, that game is shit. it should be called super smash bros spacies , how is that fun and balanced , everyone knows who is better

>>384284378
>You and your kind don't think of EVO as a fighting game tournament, you only think of it as a Smash tournament, period
No I don't, you don't know me, stop trying to project your hate fantasies.
>Then you're ignorant and are inside of a bubble, exactly like the rest of your kind
I'm speaking hypothetically dumb ass.
>you Smashfags being there at all is a bother because your games are out of place and you don't belong there. Those two slots should be for other ACTUAL fighting games that are more deserving.
Smash is a fighting games See>>384283137
, it deserves to be there as much as any other game.
>Spoken like a true Smashfag who is ignorant of the history of EVO and how far it has gone and only been attending in the recent years because Smash got included
Nope, I'm speaking as a person who knows how these things work. Why do you think pros who play SFV, know the game is bad, yet still play them, and attend tournies? For money. If they really wanted to play a good fighting game they'd have run far away from SFV by now.

>>384285529
>smash 4 will always be better than melee

>>384272051
top views not total , probs cause smash 4 was not playing

>>384285429
What about all those cutesy taunts?

I can just imagine the trannies watching the stream frothing from the mouth.

>>384285448
You will get more upvotes if you post a picture of all the non-capcom games you have (you don't necessarily have to play them, though).

Melee/SF5 > All

>BB was boring
>Smash4 is absolute gutter trash and shouldn't even be at EVO.
>Tekken as a tournament was good, but the game is incredibly boring/bland.
>KoF was garbage.
>Injustice is Smash4 tier.
>GG was good, a little bland.
>MvC no idea, didn't watch.
>SF5 was intense, great matches.
>Melee was great, top brackets were a little underwhelming.

>>384285505
Competitive Brawl was extremely tough shit. It was just boring as fuck to watch. It was basically like watching two brain Wojaks do battle on the astral plain.

>>384285504
Gotcha, didn't realize they aired both. I remember ESPN airing SFV last year and I saw a commercial on tv for Smash getting aired on Disney but it didn't mention Street Fighter for some reason.

>>384285505

I think melee players knew that it was only a matter of time before nintendo shut it down so they didn't get invested too heavily.

Well not just melee players, but I think people who played Brawl were more into it because it was brawl, but without all the shit.

>>384285669
I'm not going to waste my time on you, if you want to wallow in SFV that's your choice. Don't cry to me when they don't fix this shit like 3/4

Is there a single competitive game that's survived as long as Melee, while holding onto such a large playerbase? I'm talking unpatched version too.
Melee must have one of the most developed meta games of anything out there.

>>384285438

SF has been a competitive franchise for a long time, and it's something that Capcom pushes.

Unlike Smash, the game was never supposed to be competitive and the fact that Nintendo and its creator never supported it until now it's an example.

>>384285459

Splatoon was kinda designed to be competitive by Nintendo and has tournaments funded by them to support it, even if its babbys first shooter.

>>384285789
I can only give you so many upvotes, my fellow redditor.

>>384285753
I disagree with the ''Brawl is the thinking man's Smash'' notion. It's so silly to believe that just because a game lacks a certain amount of execution, it forces players to be smarter. As if people are just pressing buttons when playing Melee.
There is just as much mind-games going on in Melee or even Smash 4 as Brawl. Just because a game is slower doesn't mean it favours intelligence more. It's just slower and easier to keep up with.

>>384285790
no, people will say SF2 but that hasn't been relevant in major events for a long ass time

Melee thrives based off a few factors

1. there is no game like it, Sakurai refuses to make a smash game like melee again
2. The depth/complexity of the game and its ever evolving meta keep things fresh
3. Diverse character usage in the top 10 as well as unique personalities

>>384285762
I was just thinking the entire time how hilariously jarring it must've been seeing SFV matches punctuated by "YOU'RE WATCHING DISNEY XD" or whatever for commercial breaks

>>384285790

I think there is a few communities for SF2 and the Alpha games, none are as old and as developed as melee.

I guess you could say smash 64, but that game is almost pretty much solved.

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>>384285753
>Competitive Brawl was extremely tough shit

ya those MK cookie cutter set ups, icies chain grabs and diddy banana loops, real fucking tough

>>384284517

People play Melee because it's an incredibly indepth, mechanically insane, free-flow platformer. No fighting game has come even close to capturing the feel or difficulty the game provides. Until a video game does, people will continue playing Melee.

>>384285985

>Diverse character usage

Are you talking about melee or sm4sh ?

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Injustice 2 had a surprising amount of character variety. It was fun seeing sonicfox getting salty who was so passionate with Red Hood only to switch off to top tier ass Black Adam when he was getting his shit pushed in by the Flash and my goodness honeybee really deserved first place with his flash. Its too bad he got lamed out by some faggot kid using a single move with Aquafag to chip people out

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>>384285438
>Mike Ross go from the face of the FGC to someone that calls SFV shit, curses on stream and quits commentating all together out of his hatred for the game

Is there video of this somewhere? I'm kinda curious now.

Also this.
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>>384285287
Not a SF fag so I'm curious on the actual real reasons.

>>384286060
ST is way older than Melee and people still play that shit. Though, there isn't nearly enough players is the thing.

Best Final:
KOFXIV
BBCF
Melee Wii(U)
Tekken 7
GG
SFV
UMvC3
Melee (GC)
Injustice2

>>384285985
>Diverse character usage in the top 10
Let's change that to "playstyle". While it is true that there's little amount of repeated characters in the top 10 it barely matters because anyone in the top 25 makes top 8 these days. Playstyle though, I don't think anyone would argue that Moon, m2k or PewPewU play the same type of Marth.

>>384270524
dbz fighter demo

>>384286105
>Are you talking about melee or sm4sh
Yeah that kinda caught me off guard too.

>>384286105
>melee top 10 main character usage

Armada: peach
Hbox: jigglypuff
M2K: marth
Mango: falco
Leffen: Fox
Plup: Sheik/Samus (not sure which he plays more, think it's sheik)
Chudat: ice climbers
Sfat: Fox
Axe: pikachu
Wizrobe: Captain Falcon

>>384284072
>>384284676
Yes it is. The olympics is a celebration, and an exercise in community. Evo is much the same.

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>>384286175
>That feel when my nigga Luna got top 7 this year
>Didn't even play all that well
I love this guy so much. It's nice to a see a fairly new player tear ass at a huge event like this.

>>384286116
The fact that SonicFox lost EVO and CEO gives me hope for the game. It's pretty amazing how everyone was worried about projectile spam but top 8 results have been pretty varied, with Black Adam, Scarecrow, and Aquaman winning the three majors since release

>>384283893
People were booing. Its a nail in the coffin for Injustice 2, a lot of people were turned off.

>>384285790
No, because there is not a single fighting game that comes even close to how great Melee is in terms of the skill required to play.

Melee will be played until a game comes out that can surpass it's skill depth and provide a similar free flowing experience.. Which is highly unlikely in today's gaming environment.

>>384286118
Mike Ross doesn't hate the game, he just switched to GG because he likes it better.
Outside of input lag the game needs more defensive options to make the corner and mixup situations less scary.
Also some pokes could use more range and combos aren't diverse enough for most characters.
These are things that I believe, and hope, are going to be changing during the lifetime of the game, like it has happened in the past.

>>384286404
He beat Chu and Leff too, nobody can claim that it was a fluke. What's with blacks killing it lately? A couple of good hits and Shroomed and Axe would've beaten Armada already.

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>>384284183
>sandbag animations

>>384286473
>mike ross doesn't hate the game
>said he had more fun with the phone version of SF4 than SFV

>>384286105

The top of Melee is pretty diverse despite all the shit people give it.

Armada is a peach main who also has a top tier fox.
Mango is the only dedicated fox player in the top 4
Hungry Box exclusively plays Jigglypuff
M2k plays everybody, but mains marth and shiek, but has a top tier fox he sometimes busts out.

Lucky, SFAT and leffen and mango are the only fox mains in the top 20

>>384286429
>nail in the coffin for Injustice 2
over one tournament no

>>384286668
>Mango is the only dedicated fox player in the top 4

he plays falco mostly though

>>384286325
Again no it's not. Your example has nothing to do with my argument. I'm not watching one game/sport because my country is good at it. I'm watching it because I like the game/sport, and the other game/sport(s) don't pique my interest. That's all.

>>384286465
>there is not a single fighting game that comes even close to how great Melee is in terms of the skill required to play.
I don't really like this way of thinking. Obviously Melee takes a lot of skill to play, but that's not to say other fighting games are easy in comparison. They require very different skills and being good in one game won't necessarily carry over to the other.
I think the big difference is that Melee has analog controls and traditional fighting games have digital. The way this plays into the mechanics is pretty much what separates the two the most. Melee has analog DI which loosens up the combo game and forces the player to adjust their attacks and follow-ups based on the opponents DI. Compare this to a combo in SF where you get a hit confirm and you can perform the full combo every single time, because as long as you get that initial hitstun in, there is no way to escape it. The challenge here comes from being able to pull of the most damaging combo, which is usually the hardest, while under pressure. Not so much adjusting to the reaction of the opponent.

>>384286636
Is there any video of this tho? All I saw was a video of him walkin off on fatboy and kbrad after a RQ cuz of input lag.

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>>384286429
hahaha was it the fucking instant tentacle? Links to booing please