It's been seventeen years since Baldur's Gate II, yet

Western studios bleeding skill and trying to stuff the wounds with tumblr ideology.

Is there a mod that makes the game more animeish like your pick? The pseudo high resolution textures look like puke on today`s displays.

Because the west care more about making games that appeal to everybody than actually making good games.

>>384257886
Astrological alignment. There won't be another convergence for millions of years. Until then, there may be imitators, but the industry has changed too much to allow for a game where everything comes together so well.

>>384258514
Why don't japs do that?

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>want to play the trilogy again as a spellcaster
>can't decide whether i want to be a wild mage, sorcerer or cleric/mage for 2 days now
maybe i should just fuck with EE Keeper and make some special snowflake multiclass with kits

>>384258003
>>384258514
Agreed. There's too much money involved in games now for any developer to take significant risks. Make something average that will sort of appeal to a large demographic rather than take a lot of risks in the hopes of hitting the jackpot.

With games going mainstream, there's even more pressure to not go too far outside the box for risk of offending someone, or getting a bad review from some sjw blogger.

>>384259091
No druid?

>>384259091
>trilogy
Did I miss something?

>>384259086
Because they never ascribed to multiculturalism. They don't feel they have to make something that blacks or gays or some other 'marginalized' group might like. They make what they like. If others find it enjoyable too, that's great. If not, oh well, sucks to be you.

>>384259232
He's counting ToB separately from SoA.

>>384259232
ToB is considered the third part, even though it's an expansion, it's a completely separate chapter than has nothing to do with SoA.

>>384257886
Because they've been better.

>Jade Empire
>KotOR
>Dragon Age
>Divinity
>Witcher
>Fucking Mass Effect

>>384259339
>>384259508
Fair enough.

>>384257886
BG2 is insanely long. No major studio could meet its length and still have money afterward.

Also, casuals are just too important of a market. I program for a living, so my co-workers are pretty technologically adept and smart, but they don't even have the fucking patience to play hearthstone (half of the people I play with literally use the shitty autodeck feature and I'm like wtf half the fun is making a deck but apparently they don't want to 'read all the cards')

basically the average person, even if that person is a nuclear physicist, cannot handle a crpg so nobody's going to make them

and based off of tim cain's latest interview (where he says fo4 is great but needs to be 'more streamlined') even the once-great developers of the 90's have been brainwashed to think like retards

>>384257886
you can blame world of warcraft, lol, angry birds, mobile gaming, bioshit, EA, and 'accessibility'

>>384257886
Nostalgia

>>384259325
Why do you bring black and gays here? How do they fit into your initial "appeal to everybody" thesis?

>>384257886
Nostalgia.

Baldur's Gate is seriously overrated and people are either forgetting or downplaying all of its flaws.

I'm not saying they're not good games, but people forget about the awful writing on some of the companions and NPCs, the many bugs the game had, the pacing issues it suffered from, etc. Worse yet, they have a cancerous habit of highlighting all of the flaws in modern games and then comparing them to the perfect version of BG2 that only exists in their mind.

>>384257886
I actually never played baldur's gate 1 or 2, but i've always been interested in it, redpill me on it

>>384259325
what's fun about this post is that this anon assigns all the problems in development to a boogeyman concept that he can set the definition to. I am certain nobody knows what any word means anymore.

>>384259086
They do. It's just that their "everyone" is a different type of person than the American "everyone."

Japs pander just as hard, but their pandering is to pedophile otakus instead of twitter crusaders.

BG2 is one of the most overrated games in existence
it has one of the worst possible combat systems in all of gaming (blame d&d), it's story gets dropped off a cliff and crashes at terminal velocity, it's characters are shallow and only remembered because it's part dating sim and overall it looks fucking bland

>>384260069
>casuals are just too important of a market

Not really. Take a quick glance at achievement lists sometime. Most people play games for an hour or two and never touch them again.

Icewind Dale exists.
Fuck off with your waifushit.

>>384260696
They pay the same money as people that pour hundreds of hours into the games though.

>>384260683
Wrong in every instance. Make a better bait next time.

>>384260429
First of all, don't use /pol/ terminology outside of /pol/.

Second of all, it's Bioware's best game. It uses 2e D&D rules and turns it into a really long WRPG. It's what perfected Bioware's formula, but was made before the company turned to shit.

>>384260696
>Most people play games for an hour or two and never touch them again.
But they bought them.

For single player games, that's all that matters. They don't care about concurrent players or having a healthy playerbase, because someone who buys the game three years from now won't care about how many players finished the game, or how many are still playing the game when he buys it.

>>384260429
RPGs that were once considered great but that have aged like milk, with annoying mechanics like random enemy encounters, not being able to leave an area until your whole party has decided to pile up in the some spot, etc. Magic is OP as fuck, 50% of the characters are annoying, the main plot is nothing special.

The RPG genre has progressed a lot since those days, with outstanding modern games like Fallout 4 and Mass Effect, which do literally everything better than the BG games.

>>384260804
Go ahead, defend BG2's combat

>>384260989
>Fallout 4
>RPG

>>384261023
M-muh pre-buffing and cheesing every remotely difficult fight with traps and contingency spells!

>>384260790
>>384260858
Exactly. You don't have to design your game with casuals in mind. Leave it to the marketing team to cook up something sheep will gobble up without thinking.

>>384261023
It doesn't need to be defended, it's typical d20 combat. Is it your first crpg experience or something?

>>384261256
>it's typical d20 combat

No it isn't.

>>384257886
>... since Baldur's Gate II, yet no WRPG has been as good.

This MUST be bait, right?
BG2, while good, wasn't the best even when it came out...

>>384261113
Install the mod that changes BG's music to IWD's magic system if you're so worried about cheese and broken spells

Is there a mod that fixes PS:T's combat?

Also, Gothic surpassed BG.

PS:T > IWD1 > IWD2 > BG1 > BG2
Objectively true.

>>384261489
Just play on the easiest difficulty.

>>384261350
What's the difference?

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>>384261552
>putting story above gameplay

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hohoho

>>384261552
*tips fedora*

>>384260069
that makes a lot of sense.
that's why the only saving grace are JRPGs now because they are also rather long. well, usually at least.

Can I get some recs for an accessible/entry level isometric CRPG? I've only ever played 3D WRPGs like Gothic and Morrowind, never an isometric one.

>>384260624
That's not their everyone, that's a small niche of dedicated customer you can sell your cheaply made games too

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>>384257886
>It's been seventeen years since Baldur's Gate II, yet no WRPG has been as good

But... Vampire is better than BG2

>>384261669
None of those games has gameplay; of course you'd rank them by story.

>>384261701
APACHE - Nongender, Attack Helicopter

>>384257886
because of a style over substance approach.
it's 2017 and I still don't like fucking full 3D western RPGs much.

>>384257886
The new dnd system doesn't translate well to video games and they stopped making infinity engine games, that's the reason.

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>>384261023
>cleric/mage
>robes of vecna, amulet of power
>shit so much spells and miracles at such a speed i can drown the entire battlefield in constant stream of buffs, debuffs and damage spells
>sequencer and triggers work between cleric and mage spell pools, opening an incredible amount of cool combos
>when i'm out of arcane spells i can just overload myself with buffs and go shapeshift
I'm having fun.

>>384262006
>The new dnd system doesn't translate well to video games

D&D4 was literally World of Warcraft: The Pen and Paper System

>>384261838
that literally would be BG2 first and foremost.
all the others are not very accessible.

maybe Temple of the Elemental Evil but that's not holding your hand much either quest-wise.

>>384262006
You're retarded. If anything they're more suited to video games.

>>384261701
Most of these aren't even words. What the fuck is even a Demigirl or an Aroflux?

Some kinda make sense though. I mean Korgan is a given, Edwin has the whole Edwina thing going on (though that doesn't really count since it's forced upon him and he hates it), and I guess I could see Nalia being a dyke but I never liked her anyway so I can't say much about whether it fits her.

>>384257886
Arcanum.

>>384261701
All I see on that image is one more reason to get Korgan in the party

>>384262219
>maybe Temple of the Elemental Evil
What the fuck are you talking about? ToEE is the LEAST accessible of all the D&D games because it most accurately implements actual D&D PnP mechanics.
The other D&D games are just roughly based on actual PnP mechanics.

>>384261838
If you can handle those you could manage Underrail.

>>384262006
4th edition D&D was literally perfect for video games and they never made a single 4e video game that actually used the game's rules.

WotC is retarded.

>>384262246
>What the fuck is even a Demigirl or an Aroflux?

don't even bother going down that shitty rabbit hole of abysmal misinformation composed by total lunatics who want to ruin society and turn the world into a marxist/communist shithole.

stay sane instead and watch Jordan B. Peterson if you wanna learn something.

Can somebody explain dnd is bad system for games meme?

>>384262308
I meant system-wise it's pretty accessible.
plus it's entirely turn-based which is a step-by-step approach.

>>384262526
Know your enemy, so you can hate them better.

>>384262594
>>384262594
It's not inherently bad. The problem comes from trying to take a purely turn based system and changing it to real time combat while preserving most of the basic rules.

>>384262176
WoW of course being well-known for its turn-based tactical gameplay.

>>384262453
Atari held the license at the time, and for reasons I don't recall were hell-bent on doing fuck-all with it.

>>384262741
sure, but think about it: chances are pretty low you will ever meet any of these mentally ill retards. so there isn't much sense wasting your time reading misguided shit like that.

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>>384257886
Lol.

>>384257886
full voice acting is one of the major problems

>>384263059
boring.

>buy destroy undead scrolls for the end boss
>doesn't even pose a threat at all

>>384263156
BG2 is boring too.

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>>384263156
>>384263189
Careful. We all know what we get when devs try to make WRPGs less "boring."

>>384263156
BG2 is guilty of this too.

>>384263189
nope. narratively it did much much better.
even trying to pin that on individual taste is hard imo.

>>384259091
>trilogy

End yourself.

>>384259232
People who pirate BGT packs thinks BG is a trilogy.

>>384261803
>JRPGs now because they are also rather long
the word you are looking for a grindy and turnbased

>>384263618
It is.

>>384263535
ToB is standalone so it's technically a trilogy.

>>384263346
yep.

>>384263618
>>384263535
>implying ToB is an expansion of BG2 and couldn't just as easily be the actual sequel to BG1

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Imoen Romance is kinda cute, i'm surprised.
You can install it just for a shitload of banter with her even if you don't want to get balls deep into her.

>>384263932
Yep, I liked that music theme too.

>>384257886
times were different

AAA RPGs/games didn't need action combat, full 3D environments or full voice acting

no one made an issue out of balance problems, because people who wanted a challenge just didn't use the broken stuff (of which BG2 has a lot) or limited themselves in some other way (note for the babbies: cheevos didn't exist back then)

>>384263932
>not going balls deep into your non-blood related sister

>>384257886
So, I want to run with a waifu brigade: Including mods, what team makes up the best waifus? Is it still Imoen, Viccy, Jaheira, Aerie, (a cutie)?

>>384264202
Mazzy a cute.

CUTE.

>>384264202
Replace Aerie with Edwin.

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SHUT UP AERIE. WE ARE KNEE DEEP IN CORPSES IN A DUNGEON, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR FLOATING HOMELAND AND CLIPPED WINGS YOU STUPID BITCH

>>384261701
NO
NO
NOOOOOOOOO

>korgan is a normal person
At least they didn't rape everyone

>>384264308
There's no lovetalks in dungeon.

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>>384264308
>oh i finally want to try using Aerie for a change!
>she starts whining inside the tent already

>>384261256
>It doesn't need to be defended, it's typical d20 combat
like fuck it doesn't
D20 is quite literally one of the worst possible systems for VIDEO GAME combat, it barely functions in tabletop despite the fact a DM is present who can ignore the rules when they get stupid
In a videogame environment however not only is that impossible but it also has competition from literally hundreds of superior combat systems

>>384259091
Cleric/mage are utterly OP in ToB and end-game SoA though.

>>384264378
What the fuck are you screaming about? That image is clearly a joke. Edwin being genderfluid should have been enough of a hint.

>>384264517
ToEE has the best combat of all non-action RPGs and it's the most accurate implementation of a d20 system

go fuck yourself

>>384264668
>That image is clearly a joke.
Poe's Law in action.

>>384263059
>muh gothic 2

KYS faggot.

>>384257886
Developers and publishers are afraid to take risks.

>>384264678
>ToEE has the best combat of all non-action RPGs
you wish
There are rpg's made by 3 slavs in their mother's garage that have superior combat

And "most accurate implementation of a d20 system" is basically a verbose way of saying "polished turd"

the d20 system is objectively terrible in videogames quite simply because the ONLY merit it has is that it's easy to use in an environment where you have nothing but dice, pen and paper. So when it gets ported to a computer with virtually unlimited simulation and calculation capacity compared to a human it serves no purpose what so ever.

>>384264562
In BG1 they lag like a level behind most single classes from what i remember while having twice as much firepower and access to 3 tomes of wisdom if needed.
I'd argue they are only mediocre in the very beginning of SoA, before you get Robe of Vecna, then lagging behind barely even matters anymore because of how much stupid shit you can cast at once and especially with sequencers.

For ultimate multiclass experience it's probably better to disable XP caps and make a limited, thematic party to compensate the sheer destructive power you will get.

>>384264678
Knights of the Chalice is better, if not by much, and it's using a stripped down version of 3.5 that avoids a lot of the problems with it. Too bad there are maybe 3 encounters in the whole game where you'd want a Knight over a Cleric while there are dozens where you want the opposite, especially lategame.
Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2 are both miles better.

>>384265039
>There are rpg's made by 3 slavs in their mother's garage that have superior combat
Do feel free to actually name them.

>>384265101
well if you want effectively unlimited spells you could always go with wild mage and flip the coin

>>384265397
Single classed wizards suck.

>>384265386
Underrail
superior combat to every single d&d based rpg

>>384265470
wild mages are an exception
they have unlimited spells which leads to hilariously stupid things like getting 50 clones up and having them all cast epic spells

>>384265397
Wild mage is only good if you want to savescum, otherwise it gets annoying fast.
It would be fine if wild surge chance for normal castings was actually capped at 5%, but it feels more like 20% and majority of surge rolls are awful, especially on lower levels.

>>384265602
eh one of the tricks is to only cast dangerous spells by using proxies and course, always have that protection from evil up in case you summon a balor

>>384261552
BG2>IWD1>PS:T>BG1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IWD2

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>>384265729
>opening a Gate in a middle of a city while trying to cast some low-level shit
never gets old

>Dramatic, solid plot and writing
>Interesting, *likeable* characters except Jaheira
>Amazing voicework
>Combat system that is satisfying and not superficial
I can't think of any RPG of this style that managed a single one of those when trying to clone Baldur's Gate.

Incidentally, Pillars of Eternity was such hot trash.

>>384265837
>playing BG1EE
>wild mage because why not
>get ambushed in one of the taverns
>alright, I'm out of options, lets roll them dice
>motherfucking Gate
>manage to scurry everyone to the exit safely somehow while it annihilates every npc in range


guess we're not stopping there for a drink anymore

>>384265837
>when trying to cast "friend" in front of some trader

So which of the new crpgs since wasteland 2 is the best. Rate em.

>>384266332
D:OS EE if you really like tactical combat but don't care too much about anything else, otherwise you want Underrail.

>>384266332
Underrail is the best thing that happened to genre in last 10 years, and it will get an expansion too.
I also enjoyed the shit out from titles like Lords of Xulima which healed my wounds after trying to play in liquid diarrhoea that is console dungeon crawlers like Etrian Odyssey are.

>>384266332
Shadowrun: Dragonfall and Hong Kong are great.
Underrail is alright too. Don't bother with Divinity: Original Sin unless you got a buddy for co-op.

>>384266524
>>384266613
Honestly I can't believe underrail ended up as good as it did
>indie game
>retro graphics
>crafting focus
>no party members

>>384266332
SR Dragonfall is the only 9/10
the next best things are Underrail and Div:OS

>>384259091
Wild Mage sounds like a fun class, but ends up being awful. Failing spells/casting random shit during higher level fights just makes you reload your last save. What's the fun in that?

Cleric/Mage is OP once you get a ton of exp, which makes it good in BG2 but shit in BG1. Sorc is just good all the time, especially as a main character. Just make sure you can get a Find Familiar spell somewhere.

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>>384257886
Gamers are stupid now thus a general dumbing down of vidya and I don't mean just gameplay.

>>384267051
>Sorc is just good all the time, especially as a main character.

No, that's stupid. Playing as any single class is a waste of time, especially mages.

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>>384257886
DA:O and Fallout New Vegas were better than BG2, and TW3 is at the same level. None of them is as good as 1, though.

>>384267051
>which makes it good in BG2 but shit in BG1
Not really. From what i remember in BG1 you lag like one level behind a single-class build despite having access to two casting types, ability to use shields, helmets and somewhat better use minute meteors than pure mage.

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>>384261701
>tfw the one about Edwin is actually right

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>>384264308
You can turn Aerie to the Dark SIde though. That was fun.

>>384262176
5E is the new system. It's my 2nd favorite edition after AD&D 2E.

>>384262453
D&D Online was an abomination. Shame that Eberron got ruined by it.

>>384262453
What are Neverwinter/DDO/Pillars of Exile/Sword Coast Legends?

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>>384264308
>more guns mean less crime

Sorry for the /pol interjection but considering the US has more GUNS than PEOPLE I sincerely doubt that.

>>384267602
>Neverwinter
>DDO
Not based on PnP rules except in the loosest sense

>Pillars of Exile
Wut

>Sword Coast Legends
Even worst than DDO and Neverwinter

The only good D&D product based game since NWN2 was the mobile port of the Lords of Waterdeep board game.

>>384267602
Not based on 4E. Neverwinter took terminology, that's it.

>>384262176
More like it's Final Fantasy Tactics.

>>384257886
where can I get those portraits? please, for real here. I seriously, genuinely want those portaits and will use them in-game. are there some for the other characters too? minsc and boo?

you're killing me here.

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>no modern D&D based games

I blame services like Roll20. All I want is to play in a balanced system without relying on other people.

>>384267351
BG1 doesn't have minute meteors without mods. And without mods, you'll lag 1-2 levels behind the whole game, which makes the first half of the game nearly unbearable. Having 8 HP until the end of the mines is just awful.

>>384267165
The absolute strongest character is a single class Paladin. Keldorn can solo literally everything without even bothering to use his spells.

>>384267921
>never made a single 4e game that actually used the games rules
>point of four
>b-b-b-but nooooo

Go fuck a duck.

>>384268501
I don't want one because 5E is a pile of shit and that's exactly what will get used if one's made. The 5E Fighter is Truenamer-tier disappointing because even at its best it is nothing but a shit knockoff of good classes.

>>384268543
>BG1 doesn't have minute meteors without mods.
I seriously don't remember the last time when i was playing un-modded BG1.

>>384268662
Disregarding how stupid you are to say that because DDO is based on 3.5 and not 4E, literally none of those games use 4E mechanics.

>>384268543
>Keldorn can solo literally everything without even bothering to use his spells.

Protection from Magical Weapons says hi.

>>384262176
>I've never played 4e or seen it played
>I started with 3e after playing the video games, I don't know jack shit about what D&D used to be like before WotC got its claws into it and can't comprehend a RPG that isn't a shallow d20 OGL retardotron
>but I still feel entitled to voice my opinions
the post.

>>384268926
Gets torn off by Carsomyr.

>>384260989
jesus fuck, this is either a well-crafted troll, or I've never encountered a post so retarded in my entire life.

>>384268987
>Spell Immunity

Rogues can also use Carsomyr, and they're much better than Paladins.

It's a well known fact that the best classes are Fighter/Mage, Ranger/Cleric, and Fighter/Mage/Thief.

>>384257886
Because companies exist to create profit. That's actually legally required. So why invest in a hundred hour journey with unique interesting content throughout with a large band of unique interesting characters when you can make a 20 hour linear run with tropes or a bland open world with a flat lead character?

Think about the characters in BG2 and the nuance they got. Now think about how highly praised Geralt is when all he does is act gruff through three fucking games of increasing simplicity. TW3 is heralded as the best game ever right here on /v/ and 80% of the content is running to another brushy hill to kill another monster and it's nest for another podunk town that has zero relevance on the plot.

We got this because we praise it. You idiots lap up shit like the red baron and ignore the other 50 hours of garbage instead of demanding good to great content throughout the vast majority like BG2 did almost 2 decades ago.

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>>384264678
About as much of an RPG as ToEE is and dozens of times better.

>>384269408
Not until you get HLAs they can't.

>>384262594
It grew from an ancient wargame, and mechanics remained simplistic because they weren't the focus. In a video game, you barely have anything other than combat mechanics, so your experience is limited to the worst aspect of the system, and without a human arbitrator who could handwave unfunny bullshit.

>>384269568
So?

If Paladins need a specific item to be the best, then they clearly aren't good.

>>384269687
If you don't understand the difference between being able to do something after 3/4ths of the game is done because you need a shitload of XP and being able to do something as soon as you can kill Firkraag you're an idiot.

>>384268481
http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG/

This place has a lot of portrait packs.

>>384269840
That's why you play without a party. Solo Fighter/Mage/Thief runs are easier than playthroughs with a full party.

How the fuck do I get into this game everything is dated as fuck

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>>384269419
Preach brother.

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So, here in 2017, what's the best way to go back and replay BG1 through ToB with the same character?
BGTrilogy, BGTutu, Enhanced Editions, what?

>>384264186

Non-blood related? You both share the same father, unless you're talking about the fact she's a video game character.

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>>384269419
>Think about the characters in BG2 and the nuance they got

Fucking lol

>>384270024
Still takes way too long.

>>384270217
>tfw you're not allowed to like certain things now just because they are "reddit"

>>384270217
what the fuck is this interface

>>384264953
Hi Todd.

>>384270463
Nope. You're literally gaining six times the xp.

>>384270506
EE latest edition.

>>384270538
Most quests have fixed XP for all party members.

>>384269419
>unique interesting content throughout with a large band of unique interesting characters
American comic books. Lots of nose and color and nothing clever done with it at any step. You can spend days pointing out problems with Witcher games but they consistently shit on Bioware when it comes to writing the characters and the world, or giving you choices that matter outside of ending slides.
>You idiots lap up shit
The irony.

>>384259325
You are a virgin.

BG2 is overrated though. Games with the same DnD style mechanics are a dime and dozen, so the only thing that would separate it from the pile would be good writing, which BG2 doesn't have.

>>384257886
There hasnt been any genre game better than bg2 since. Just because something is the pinnacle doesn't mean there hasn't been other great wrpgs though.

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>>384270049
p-pls respond

>>384270668
I think that's only in 2

>>384270668
Most don't, and combat xp is enormous. You can hit level 20 before Spellhold.

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I don't under stand why 4 party groups became main stream, it degrades every game into holy trinity game play. When you have 6 it opens your party up for utility classes and makes battles more tactical.

Also one of the best parts of bg2 was the character interactions, no game replicated this well. I remember POE tried but everything people would say would be so grand, only person who would just have a normal conversation with you was the half Ling druid. And worse yet if they talked to each other you would always have to get the last word in like can't people talk without your special snowflake Mc running his mouth?

Another issue nowadays is how all these game need to be "balanced" like it's such a huge issue that the rogue class was a scout/trap disabler and didn't do the same dps as the warrior class and the warrior didn't scale into the late game like the wizard. So now every class is the same mmo shit it's a single player game what the fuck.

Lastly the BEST thing about bg2 that no game (well maybe divinity:oc) replicated was how amazing wizards were to play. In my honest opinion I think the people who most defend bg2 were probably wizard players. It wasn't just that wizards got so fucking stronK, it was the insane number of original spells you were casting. Bg2 was the last game before wizards became archers that fired red bolts. Fucking Web, melts minute meteors, wizard eye, wish, teleport field, maelstrom, contingency, tensers transformation, warding wip, simulacrum, summon magic weapon, black blade, polymorph self, fucking gate, or even miss direct. And the fucking OPTIONS, at level 7 you get to choose your favourite way of obliterating some one with disintegrate/finger of death/flesh to stone. Even the next DND games took a bad step after bg2, wizards in never winter were shadows of their former selves. Sure you had some cool spells like darkness/ transformation and magic missile swarm but who the FUCK wants to cast owls wisdom?

>>384271282
Just get EE and read the manual.

>>384271354
>Fucking Web, melts minute meteors, wizard eye, wish, teleport field, maelstrom, contingency, tensers transformation, warding wip, simulacrum, summon magic weapon, black blade, polymorph self, fucking gate, or even miss direct

None of these are original or unique, and several of them are straight up useless.

>>384271354
>like it's such a huge issue that the rogue class was a scout/trap disabler and didn't do the same dps as the warrior class
It actually is. It slants the game towards using multiclasses instead of straight Thieves because the former get everything that matters about having a Thief without being a gimp in combat. There's a reason Thief is the weakest AD&D class and that a lot of people think that the game got worse when Thief got added because it took away from everyone else's capabilities indirectly while doing nothing special.

>>384271678
He listed godmode spellcasters as a plus, why are you even bothering to explain why thieves were bad.

>>384271354
>amazing wizards were to play.
And Fighters and Thieves and Clerics were shit to play. I don't care for games where one playstyle is massively favored over all the others.

>>384263771
>standalone
>>384263851
>couldn't

Do you need the original BG2 to play?

>>384263726
Then I wonder why Beamcuck are planning to do BG3 instead of BG4. I guess... it's for people like you.

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BEST GIRL
BEST MOD
BEST GAME

there are people in this thread who have never played the imoen mod

>>384272862
saerileth says hi

>>384271538
Not himbut it is still dated and looks like shit.

>>384263618
Also, braindeads think that the "trilogy" part in BGT means three games. Of course they don't know shit about mods history and the original pre weidu BGT.

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>>384272830
You're retarded. Everyone and their mother referred to these games as the Baldur's Gate Trilogy for years.

>>384273265
>Everyone and their mother referred to these games as the Baldur's Gate Trilogy for years.

and somehow that means they are right?

>>384273106
Well then your best bet is dragon age origins if you're somehow unable to play bg.

>>384273389
Yes. The story is divided into three distinct parts. It's a trilogy.

>>384273913
Do you call Lord of Destruction Diablo III? Frozen Throne Warcraft IV? (you kind will probably use IIII instead).

>>384273913
>It's a trilogy.

Was the Black Hound released?

>>384274013
LoD doesn't have as much content as the base game did.

>>384259528
>JE
>Dragon Age
>Mass Defect
>better

>>384274338
ToB has?

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>>384271678
>>384272765
You should be seeing the game from a 6 party perspective not a " I want my OC character to be awesome and when I click a button something cool will happen! My party is just there to watch me do shit not contribute"

Also the argument that you figured a way to game the system so the system should be removed in favor of something much more simple is an awful argument. 17 years ago there was an idea that you would have a party and every class would bring something to the table so every run of the game with a different party you would lament not having your old party but at the same time be enjoying how easy otehr parts of the game became. But then kids like you come along and decide lets just not have that at all and make everyone exactly the fucking same.

>>384271606
How are they not original? No other game that had anything like this and everything after had literally -icebolt, -firebolt for spells. Also I disagree that they are useless (other then polymorph self) all these spells were great. If you were a wizard you used whats you got, no free spells per level and new spells came by way of scrolls that you randomly find, it was one of the few things in the game that was randomized. Your opinion is shit honestly dont know why I even replied.

>>384270827
I disagree the writing was great for its time, most of the characters were actually pretty well written like jahera/ mazzy/ keldorn. Sure minsc and herr dalis were pretty random but it was like 1 dude in your party.

What i got from bg2 was an adventure with your friends, with some bants along the way. No one was really talking about grand prophecys or their extended cultural back storys, Issues like racism was subtle and not in your fucking face. The overall story that was okish was just there to tie in all the small adventures you would go on, and individually they were fantastic. The whole underdark was kino.

But thats just my OPINION.

>>384275045
Melf's Minute Meteors is literally "archers that fired red bolts."

>>384273461
I just want the game to be redrawn and community fixes up the ass on it.

>>384275208
Nice argument, keep arguing semantics at least that way you can pretend you added to the conversation.

>>384273461
DA:O in my spore, I hate that game more then i should but they shouldn't have added spiritual successor to bg2 on the box art.

>>384275045
Yes, that opinion makes perfect sense to hold while also holding the opinion that Wizards need to be game rapingly powerful and be able to do everything.

Are you even listening to yourself?

>>384275045
>You should be seeing the game from a 6 party perspective
Already did. Guess what? It's still bad design and is worse than a game like Divinity: Original Sin, where all major character archetypes are interesting to play, effective, and none of them are autoattack bots.

>>384277094
>>384277826
Stop replying to yourself. It's a pathetic attempt to keep the thread alive.

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>>384263059
>You can compare these games
Goddamn elitists i swear.

>>384277094
The only difference between wizards and fighters with +5 gear was the flair though, by the end of the game korrgan was duel wielding celestial fury and the decapitator and could solo a dragon by clicking berserk, but thats all you would do with him point and click. And its not even a fair assessment because wizards are an investment for your party, they are trash until they get fireball and even then they need to rest and you have to decide when to and when not to cast your limited arsenal. Where a fighter is good to go all the time from level 1 - 20.

I never said wizards should be OP shit, i just think they should be wizards, and just because they were implemented improperly you shouldn't just wing clip them and forget them.

>>384277826
Thats not even a fair D:OS is an amazing game that does it right. This is what a follow up game should have looked like, It shouldnt have taken 15 years for this to come out. Gameplay wise it is much much better then bg2 lacking only in party interaction. Im waiting with great anticipation for september so i can play the follow up. Thank god for kickstarter

Unfortunately for you exceptions to rules dont negate rules, I would love to see you argue the merits of games like origins or tyranny.

>>384279687
>they are trash until they get fireball
No they're not, Sleep is an invaluable low level tool.

>>384280236
Compared to another fighter/ranger? I disagree, you are just standing there holding your 2 spells because you dont know whats around the next corner

>>384280641
Whats the point to this mod when you can romance jaherra?

>>384280485
Yes. You can still throw darts when you're not casting, which is barely any different from using a bow at levels that low, and you're likely to get oneshot at low levels anyways.

>>384280827
You can also assault them with harsh language but i don't see how thats comparable to a fighter swinging his 1d12 and actually hitting people with it. And thats on top of not getting 1 shot by a string gust of wind

>>384280820
jaheira is awful while imoen romance is cute and adds a shitload of banter

>>384281252
Using melee, let alone a two hander, is a shitty idea until at least level 4 because of how low your durability and to hit are.

I enjoyed tyranny

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>>384281384
You just made an enemy for life

>>384281540
rreeeee get out normie etc

>>384281540
the only godly part of tyranny is ability to launch that bitch off the tower while the rest of your party watches in horror

>>384280820
>>384281384
>>384280641
I disagree that Jaheira is shit)buying her the necklace is the cutest shit).
However, I have not yet tried Imoen's romance so I cannot comment on that.
What I worry about is missing good banter/events with her. I tend to do almost all chapter 2 quests before I go to Spellhold.

Which quests are must see with her so I can leave them for ch 5?

>>384281540
It's a bit underwhelming how few meaningful choices you can make in the later half.
And for a game where evil won, not being able to side with Kyros is just silly

>>384280827
I always use slings with my spellcasters

>>384268481
They're from some random deviantart guy.

>>384260989
Holy shit 10/10 troll. Best part was right at the end when you mentioned those garbage games ME and fallout 4.

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>>384259528

Is Ascension compatible with BG2EE yet?

>>384283368
I think BP-Ascension(big picture) works.

>>384282110
that part and killing the baby to end the edict of storms were quite memorable to me.

I disliked how you finally get a position of authority and then the game ends.

>>384276205
Compared to it's two sequels, it definitely feels like one

>>384273389
Throne of Bhaal is from an age were expansion packs were whole games.

Truly a different age.

>>384284927
Remember beyond the sword?

>>384257886
Ew

Modern Bethesda is better than fucking Baldur's Gate. The games were shit if you liked them your whole paradigm on games if beyond fucked

>>384284927
That's... not really true. Throne of Bhaal is like a whole game because it was meant to be a whole game, before they decided to make it just an expansion instead.

baldur's gate is a curse. all the fat neckbeard wrpg players think it's the best shit ever, so now any new wrpg has to copy everything it did, even though most of it was poorly thought out.

>>384286593
>any new wrpg has to copy everything it did
Most of them do not even try, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>384286593
>any new wrpg has to copy everything it did
The fact that they don't is the problem

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>2017
>tabletop inspired video game rpg's are still 90% combat when in tabletop combat would be 50% of the experience at most
>with today's technology, still cant make gameplay based on dialogue, exploration, diplomacy, investigation, etc

at least PoE did a little bit in the right direction with its scripted scenes. Why cant we have a game based 50% around that instead of being a small element? They make walking simulators and stupid choice games, why cant they make a real RPG?

>>384286593
There is only one Baldur's Gate clone among new rpgs, and that's Pillars of Eternity. Pathfinder might be the second closest, but apparently beyond the setting and general gameplay it's going for a very different structure.

Only a game that wants to be a BG clone gets judged as such.

>>384287546
I agree with that fully, the little narrative adventures were the best part of poe. Rogues were so shit in bg2 because all the things they would normally be doing like climbing shit and talking to people are none existent

>>384287820
If they did exist they shouldn't be limited to thieves. Skillmonkey is a role the game is better off without.

>>384287820
>the little narrative adventures were the best part of poe
Yes! And the expansions had the best ones, like casting priest shield spell to protect you from a fall, casting ice magic to prevent the lake from cracking under your feet, and so on

I just want a game were UTILITY is the main reason for spells and skills, and combat is secondary, or even entirely optional.

>>384286690
>>384286778
you don't even realize it's happening because "doing things like baldur's gate" is the same as "being a good wrpg" to most people. if a game doesn't have dialogue trees or random side quests or if the magic system doesn't have a huge spell list people will complain that it's dumbed down or "not a real rpg." on top of that there's still tons of people who think real time with pause was anything but a big fat mistake.

>>384288303
The problem with that is that it's too restrictive. Either the game gives you the choice, or it doesn't.

Scenario
>have skill X: success
>don't have skill X: fail
is better than nothing, but it still involves no creativity from the player.

Even a simple
>turn into animal
>scout enemy camp
in Baldur's Gate is a more satisfying way to utilize these options, because only the spell is given to you, and you are the one who finds a use for them.

This is why I can't accept PoE trading non-combat spells and abilities for scripted scenes. If both were present, it could be a fun way to do special scenes. But scripted scenes only is actually inferior to what BG did.

PoE is like a control freak.

>>384288748
>17 years ago some studio creats a great game
>other companys decide to shoe horn shit into their game to copy the original
>people who played the original hate it
>companies keep doing because it sells to casuals
>some how people who enjoyed a game made 17 years ago are to blame for your troubles

ok retard

>>384289492
I think the best way to do it is to have scripted events for specific party members. like maybe on character wouldn't be as good in combat as another but he would constantly get conversation prompts that let you bypass fights or unlocks secret areas because of his lore knowledge.

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So this is the power of NWN

>>384291021
s-source?

>>384290320
what are you even talking about? it's the bg fans that complain about removing dialogue trees in modern wrpgs.

>>384291809
Nothing to do with bg2, being able to decide what your character says just makes sense and was a staple in Wrpgs even before bg1.

>>384290718
That could be fun too, but I still don't think it should come at the expense of player freedom and creativity. For example let's say that you have a party member who speaks an ancient language. Knowing this, you could decide to send that character to negotiate. Or you could use him to gather information, or to infiltrate.

But these shouldn't happen because a scripted scene showed up and offered you an option. You, the player, with the knowledge that your party member has this ability, should be in control over your actions. Send him up to the npc to talk. Use stealth and break into rooms following signs or reading documents. Have him put on an armor and stand at a place where a conversation can be overheard. Have him make a fake letter, then use a thief to pickpocket the real one and exchange it for the fake.

But let the player figure out and do these things, don't just do it for them.