Why, despite being released 5 years later, did Skyrim lack a

I felt it was trying to take itself too seriously. Oblivion had a sort of campy charm. Especially with the quest writing, and many of the characters.

Skyrim was a bit too monotone in appearance and gameplay for it to hold me as long as Oblivion did.

>>384161903

its really all about the coloration, oblivion's coloration is very vivid and colorful but skyrim is so fucking grey. makes oblivion feel a lot more magical

>>384162324
This isnt an amercan image board you stinking quarter pounder

because oblivion came out first and you played it first

trust me, all the elder scrolls games are bad if you peel back the rose-tinted glasses

>>384162959
How do you peel off glasses?

>>384163262
metaphorically, of course

Anyone who prefers Oblivion out of the 3 TES games using the same formula is a confirmed retard.

>>384163262
Have a sweaty fat fucking face

>>384162331

I agree. Skyrim lacked a lot of "wow" moments. Not a single NPC was as memorable as the guy who asks you if necrophilia is legal in Cyrodiil.

>>384161903
How do I hit stuff in Morrowind? I keep dying to these rats I'm supposed to kill in Balmora.

>>384162657
>>384162331
These.

Oblivion also had more diversity in terms of areas.
You had places in the north which were covered in snow, vast fields in the west, swamps in the south, etc. Skyrim was just variations on a similar theme that being "its cold and snowy because its up north", while Oblivion had a bunch of different types of areas.


I don't hate Skyrim, but Oblivion felt like more of an adventure.

Oblivion was unplayable fuck any game where you get weaker the more you level up

>>384163262
Get them slapped off your face when Todd announces paid mods.

>>384163713
You train your weapon skill.
Also, drink fatigue restoring shit, chances are reliant on it, besides agility and luck.

>>384161903

it's been downhill since morrowind

the saga has lost all it's charm and wonder

Quests went from "do interesting non-combat things" to "clear dungeon full of baddies"

Simple as that, really.

Uniroincally I think oblivion is better looking than skyrim by a country mile

>>384161903
vanilla skyrim > vanilla oblivion
Letting modders do all the work to make a game actually functional is just wrong.

>>384164126
Do you like lying on /v/? I imagine it gets tiring after a while

>>384164694
This was the exact problem with Fallout 4, as well.

skyrim was focus tested to fuck and back
most of its aspects are genuinely an improvement over oblivion, but it's sterile

oblivion's charm came from being a hacked together mess with hideous npcs that would occasionally become self aware and start riots because they're in such a shit game and desire sweet release

>>384164743
this

oblivion has the most boring world of any elder scrolls (generic tolkien rip off/the same english field copy-pasted but this time it's yellow), the worst dungeons (scaled loot with chests placements that make zero sense), and the worst design decisions in the series (broken level scaling, broken quest rewards)

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>>384165059
>Oblivion's charm is it being bad

>>384161903
Oblivion had good quests, Skyrim didn't
That's it
Oh and I guess you could mod out most of the shitty bits of Oblivion

>>384165281
shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend

it's like a bad movie, or a microwave burrito
you know it's garbage but sometimes you crave the garbage experience

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>>384165281
>broken games are acceptable as long as they're occasionally amusing

>>384163561
>guy

Talk about the shit you want about Oblivion's zoom-in, frozen time, dialogue, but it was much more dramatic and enticing than Skyrim's cold hearted, uninvolved dialogue system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4-9G47uF0
Here's a five hour video on why Oblivion is bad.

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>>384165510
>ignoring objective improvements to the game world because muh nostalgia

oblivion fans in a nutshell

>>384165510
Quit lying.

>>384165639
It is ok to not like a thing.
Why do people feel compelled to produce these to explain that they don't like a thing?
Are they trying to convince others they are not actually enjoying a thing?

>>384161903
Because of casuals.

Casuals are too dumb to care about good writing, interesting quests and in-depth freedom.

They want a shallow paddling pool to play in full of harmless toys that can't hurt them.

>>384166162
It's an in depth look at the problems of Oblivion not a "WOW THIS GAME SURE IS BAD GUYS", he gives credit where it's due but doesn't shy away from the fact that it was a massive step down from Morrowind in most meaningful areas.

At no point in the video does he call it a bad game as a matter of fact.

I kinda just think that instead of skyrim remastered 2x10:the returnaning: boogaloo ++ Edition, a remastered oblivion would have been nice. Skyrim is a more stable game, and it's definitely more playable than Oblivion, but God of its sterile. The colors are dull, very few of the NPCs got my attention and the environment lacked something that oblivion had. Oblivion had me enthralled by a desire to just get lost in world. Skyrim, lacks it and I feel little pull to start it up.

>>384163561
>Skyrim lacked a lot of "wow" moments
Walking out of the sewers in Oblivion is up there with my best vidya memories and I don't know why, I went back and it's nothing special.

>>384166339
>oblivion
>in depth freedom

choose one and only one

>>384166162
i like to hear people's arguments on a thing. it can help to nuance my own opinion of a thing

>>384165692
I want to cum inside that dog

>>384166489
Are you implying Skyrim had more in-depth freedom than Oblivion? Because if not, my point still stands.

>>384166694
>in depth freedom

define what you mean, I assume you mean freedom in the game world and that's one of the many things skyrim improved upon immensely

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>>384166584
I want to cum inside you

>>384163885
Skyrim also has some diversity in areas. There are swamps around Morthal and hot springs and comfy forests near Riften. The area to the west is less snow more mountains and the north is completely covered in snow.

I still think Oblivion did it better though and I miss the golden coast.

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>>384167089
Skyrim's areas were way better than Oblivion's.

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>>384166841

>>384167197
nigga I never finished oblivion but I've got several hundred hours in skyrim and that's basically the only good area it's got

>>384163885
>Oblivion also had more diversity in terms of areas

straight up false

compare riften's autumn forests to whiteruns plains, then compare those to the hot springs or swamps in morthal

oblivion is the same flat landscape with no points of interest throughout the entire gameworld, just some different tree textures and a change of color in the grass

>>384165397
>>384164694
This is literally all there is to it. Oblivion was mechanically shit, but everybody has fond memories of being immersed in it and having memorable experiences, because the game was just fucking full of memorable experiences.

>that inn on a boat that gets taken over by pirates while you were asleep
>that quest where you go into the painted world
>the gang of female bandits who would lure men outside of town and rob them
>the whole fiasco of becoming/being a vampire
>the ENTIRE QUESTLINES of the thieve's guild, the dark brotherhood, the mage's guild, and the arena
>the haunted house you can buy in Anvil
>the daedric god shrines

Just a few examples from the top of my head. All outside of the main questline.

Now I dare you to name any memorable moments from skyrim without using google.

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>>384167349
Name one (1) area from Oblivion as good as Blackreach.

>>384167402
>but everybody has fond memories of being immersed in it and having memorable experiences

everyone who played it in middle school, yeah, if you were over the age of 18 (and played morrowind) when oblivion came out anyone with half a brain could immediately tell it was shit

>>384167197
On a one to one basis maybe but like others said, it's all fucking gray and white. Blackreach was pretty much the only area in vanilla that had some sort of color. With the DLCs it gets expanded with Soulcairn and Apocrypha but it's not enough since you only visit them a few times at most and then you're back to the same old grey shit. Oh wait, there was sovngarde too I suppose but it has the same problem, you only visit it literally once.

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>>384167289
*ahem*

>>384167513
Shivering Isles shits on Blackreach.

>>384167716
>Expansion

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>>384167584
pardon?

>>384161903
baguette du fromage

>>384167826
Mancar Camoran's Paradise

>>384168042
Was shit.

>>384167584
>it's all fucking gray and white
Fuck off moaning cunt.
Falkreath = Lush green forest
The Reach = Moorland
Riften = Autumnal
Morthal = Swampy
Near Kynesgrove = Volcanic

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>>384167584
Oblivion can't even touch it

>>384168062
Worse is that the main thrust of the game, the main quest and the Oblivion gates were shit and a huge chore.

>>384168147
lol and he's comparing it to oblivion too

I don't even think that game has rivers in vanilla, such a disappointment world-wise

>>384168147
They try to be colorful but the lightning and overall tone makes them pretty grey. Also, Morthal and the Reach are literally all grey no matter how you look at it you "moaning cunt".

>>384168310
What the fuck are you even talking about, literally take a glance at the map you idiot.

>>384168542
HURR DURR IT'S ALL FUCKING GREY
FUCKING GREYYYYYY
That's honestly what you are like fucking child

>>384168542
actual running water? nope.

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>>384168542
(You)

>>384161903
That's a funny was of spelling nostalgia, but sure.

>>384168951
Those rocks are super grey.

vanilla skyrim definitely has a bunch of white fog and a ton of desaturation filters
not sure how this is being denied

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>>384168884
Calm down you fucking triggered manchild.

>>384168927
That wasn't the initial claim, don't move goalposts.

>>384168951
It's grey.

>>384161903
Morrowind is better than both.

>>384169104
What color do you suppose they should be, point is that is a gorgeous vista and far better than anything in Oblivion.

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>>384169104
>oblivionfags have so little arguments they have to complain about the color of rocks

you know your game is a mess when

>>384169175
all of oblivion water is static and the same regardless of being a """river""" or a sea, skyrim had running streams and actual physics involved with it's currents

>>384169419
Correct but you/he said that there are no rivers period which is incorrect. You're just twisting the argument into something else now.

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>>384169175
Skyrim was and always has been a mountainous region, what do you expect them to do? Paint the rocks green or maybe make the snow purple?

>>384167672
> Minotaur grove guarding the only unicorn in game.
> Two draugr guarding a nordic steel sword.
next argument

>>384169614
No, I want them to change the filters to make it look more like your screenshot in certain areas. Vanilla oldrim simply looks grey as hell no matter where you go. That's what I meant when I said those places try to look colorful but can't.

It helps that Oblivion had better quests, more skills, more builds, classes, Major / Minor skills/ etc and SPELL MAKING

Skyrim is very bland in the magic department, and the questing is atrocious

>>384169584
>rivers look and act the same as any body of water
>b-but it's different!

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>>384169584
Nigger, just pulled Oxford definition. You need flow for it to be a River. Otherwise it's just a really long lake or pond or even sea.

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>>384169664
it's almost like you enjoy getting BTFO

>>384169910
Skyrim mistake was being too serious

>>384169910
You can't really value major/minor skills or classes due to how inherently broken Oblivion's leveling and scaling was. You picked your skills for things you never wanted to use rather than things you wanted to be good at or else the game fucked itself.

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>>384169664
every unmarked location in oblivion btw

What are some dope Weapons in Oblivion that I should get? Going Death Knight build

>>384169664
Minotaur Grove isn't unmarked, and it's quest related.

>>384164850
You literally get weaker the more you level up in comparison to the enemies that scale with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lej63HEW-zg

>>384169910
Armor crafting, werewolf, vampire lord, all say hi

>>384169919
>>384169924
You know it's rivers, everyone knows it's rivers but you will argue with your oxford dictionaries in hand just because. Sure, they dropped the ball on the water physics but don't pretend they made an entire landmass with no rivers in it.

The guild quests in Skyrim were fucking ass. The thieves guild is probably one of the worst things I have ever seen.

>>384170536
Infiltrating Irkngthand, seeing the huge snow elf bust then getting the eyes of the falmer? c'mon man you can do better than that

>>384170531
They're rivers just like Gone Home is a Video Game.

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>>384170870
Whoa now, lets not go defending the awful Thieves Guild and such in Skyrim. It's a better game overall but that Thieves' Guild is pic related the entire time.

So I think we can all agree on Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion?

>>384170201
Shadowrend aka one of the strongest two handers in the game that also somewhat fits with your theme.

>>384170350
Both werewolf and VL are underpowered, lacklustre and annoying to use. You can't even loot when transformed.

Skyrim doesn't have hand-to-hand combat at all, lumps all the melee weapons together into 2 skill trees has shit magic and half of what you supposedly can use is useless (look at illusion). No spellmaking + vanilla spells make magic shit, items don't even modify damage, just magicka costs.

Skyrim has shit quests compared to Oblivion, nobody can even argue about this one. Skyrim's guilds are straight up garbage, main quest is retarded and goes against the entire game design (think about how it makes you rush from one spot to another because you need to stop Alduin from resurrecting more dragons ASAP). Dawnguard looks better at first glance but is equally retarded (you're a vampire hunter but you're just going to lead this super mysterious vampire chick who has a motherfucking elder scroll straight to the vampire castle and just fuck off back to Isran who somehow doesn't decapitate you on the spot). At least Dragonborn is miraakulously good.

>>384170958
Epic for the win

>>384162959
Shut the fuck up, anon. You are literally just another cancer tard joining the bandwagon of guys who shit on any game for anything.

As much as everyone shit on Skyrim back in 2011 it was more playable on launch than Oblivion

>>384164126
God forbid a game is easy in the beginning and becomes harder later in the game. Oh lord, what would we do if we had games with difficulty?!

>>384170870
It looked cool but the dungeon was just bashing falmer while supposed thieves were tanking mobs. It was literally going into a smack draugr/falmer dungeon, like every other quest.

I have played Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind for the first time ever in that order this year so no nostalgia. It is absurd that people think Skyrim is better than Oblivion. The drop in quality between Morrowind and Oblivion is steep.

>>384171367
Whoa there, Skyrim's main quest is mediocre but miles better than Oblivion's shit main quest.

>>384170536
but you had the freedom to pickpocket preassigned items that people are known to carry around unequipped daily in distant holds

>>384167402
100% this.

I would also add that Morrowind was an objectively better game in almost every way but when Oblivion came out games were making the biggest jump in terms of realism since the jump from 2D -> 3D. Oblivion was the first elder scrolls game with legit foliage of any kind and 100% voice acted lines. This gave it a wow factor beyond Morrowind on first glance.

Mechanicly the combat was identical, the leveling and skill system was needlessly oversimplified, the levelled loot system was hot garbage, the enchanting system went from incredible to meh (still not remotely what it used to be) and the spell diversity went way down (fuck losing levitate because of cities) and the legendary items were not nearly as good.

The only thing that saved Oblivion was that it had a shiny new super realistic (for the time) package and some god tier quest writing. Skyrim didn't have a single quest as memorable as the Oblivion dark brotherhood murder house quest.

>still cant find a simple mod that makes bash damage scale with level
why even have a shield at this point

>>384170190
>anything but the uesp
fuck off retard
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Unmarked_Places

>>384165147
ay baitlord, kiss your mother with that mouth?

>>384162959
I played Oblivion first though and I know it is the worst one.

>>384171646
Both are shit actually but Oblivion main quest at least doesn't rush you as much. It also involves some puzzle solving and getting items from sidequests (blood of daedra). I'm still not going to defend it though, it's bad.

>>384165692
Were you always a projecting cancer faggot? Or was this a recent life choice?

>>384170201
Umbra and i suggest you to use this mod in order to not delay quests for higher levels. http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/39635/?

>>384171726
He's right though.

>>384171707
>UESP
>Claimed Orkey was Malacath and not Arkay, since Malacath is so Orc-y
>Claims Tsun is Zenithar and not Trinimac

>>384171367
Caves in Oblivion were all the fucking same explain that one?

>>384171251
>hehe, Skyrim isn't that bad...
>it isn't as good as morrowind...
>m-maybe if I make it seem better than oblivion people will stop making fun of me
Skyrim kiddies are just trying to not be the ass of every joke and now that they have hot and spicy new youtuber opinions they keep reposting this shit.

Skyrim was a bland experience of bashing Draugr and Falmer around. No matter what mechanic is worse or better that is the core of Skyrim.

>>384161903
Determining whether someone likes oblivion is all about perspective. Usually newfag casuals who thought skyrim was the best game ever like that game because it's the first game of the series that they had played. Another factor is age. I feel like a lot of the more classical concept of geek liked oblivion, the kids that got beat up in high school who played DND. Whereas Skyrim was the kid in college who decided being a geek was trendy because the atrocity known as the big bang theory. All in all, fuck casual scum.

>>384171367
Ironically Skyrim's Unarmed Combat is better than Oblivion's despite not even having a skill or focus.

>>384172290
Oblivion is for casual scum though, it went out of its way to make everything as generic and boring as possible. They went so far tolkeinizing it that they even made Boromir your quest giver.

What you are saying boils down to people only liking Oblivion out of Nostalgia.

>>384172214
Bad design. Skyrim's dungeons are equally samey. There are a few more unique ones in both games but generally they feel the same. Oblivion has more samey dungeon design I suppose but much more enemy variety. Skyrim has a little more varied dungeon design but much lower enemy variety.

>>384172313
Not really, you can't block when unarmed in Skyrim. Both are bad systems but Oblivion at least kept your damage up and had new attacks with higher tiers in your hth skill. The main reason they're bad is lack of good animations really.

>>384172535
Thieves guild obliv > thieves guild skyrim
Dark brotherhood obliv > skrim's dark brotherhood

The list goes on. Skyrim's story telling is shite and there is nothing wrong with tolkeinizing it. It was a product of the times.

Why doesn't Skyrim, a province full of frost resistant anti-magic chads, have a fighter's guild?

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>>384172775
>It was a product of the times
Fuck that and fuck you. It sucked ass now and it sucked ass back then.

>>384172697
Skyrim's unarmed worked better, being able to actually damage things. It's pathetic and gimped but is still better than Oblivion's which was just useless.

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We can all agree that this is still the best elder scrolls game, right?

>>384173085
Daggerfall is better.

>>384173009
Oblivion's had actual use outside the stronger weapons. Fatigue damage let you knockdown any enemy, attacked fast as hell, and the best thing about unarmed was that if you hit a blocking opponent, you could still move freely instead of being frozen in place.

There's no real reason to use Unarmed in Skyrim when the much stronger weapons exist.

>>384172775
Oblivion had some better quests than Skyrim, sure. Skyrim is still a better and more solid game however.
Oblvion's quests are all it had. The game was so broken and scaled that there was literally never ever any reason to pop into a dungeon because they would always be the same generic trash. Skyrim had more interesting dungeons and some actual rewards for them, even if you weren't sent there for a quest.

>>384173009
>able to damage things
Is there something I don't know? What exactly makes the damage scale apart from gloves of the pugilist and khajiit/argonian racial?

>>384173085
I was too young the enjoy the mechanics of it then because everquest had my soul and as an adult I cant get past the lack of bouncing boobies and guns

>>384173198
No, even an enchanted dagger was better than Unarmed in every way.

>>384173228
The magic system says hi. Skyrim's vanilla magic system was a piece of shit with crap spell variety (mainstays like open lock and such removed everywhere) and the lack of a spellmaker meant that Magic had no scaling whatsoever. Meaning it fell off hard as the game went on.

>>384173198
If I'm not mistaken Oblivion HTH had a paralysis attack too.

>>384173228
It's not just quests, Oblivion NPCs were much more memorable as well. I feel like people forget about this a lot.

>>384173459
Oblivion's NPC's were memorable because you were younger. They're bland potato people.

>>384165510
The frozen time was weird but I agree about the close ups. Makes stuff like Lucien Lachance more memorable.

>>384173437
Anything that Oblivion did better that Morrowind did better than Oblivion hardly counts.
Leaves Oblivion as an ugly middle child that didn't really excel at anything.

>>384173437
The removal of the mysticism school was also gay.

>>384173286
>not playing the shit out of everquest and Morrowind
Shigga dig

>>384173604
Vicente Valtieri, SHEOGORATH, Lucien Lachance, the Count of Skingrad, etc. were all good NPCs.

I'm pretty sure I'm a dummy. I've been playing Morrowind off and on for a decade. Two months ago I noticed the clickable Quest tab in the journal. This whole time I've been pouring back and forth through the pages or remembering and looking up key words. FML

>>384173721
>compare Oblivion to Skyrim
>"it doesn't count because morrowind is better"
Holy shit you're dumb.

>>384164126

That how every game is. Oblivion just does a bad job of hiding it.

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>oblivionfags think their game is in anyway more "hardcore" than skyrim

>>384173852
No anon, it's a legitimate issue. Skyrim and Morrowind leave Oblivion with nothing to brag about and many glaring flaws. Now that all three exist there's really not much reason to play Oblivion.
Maybe one playthrough to try out some of the better quests but that's it.

Just finished Enderal. Better than Skyrim 10x just like Nehrim to Oblivion.

>>384173921
They're both watered down babby morrowind

>>384173921
poison apples

>>384167528
morrowind is shit and you're shit.

>>384173921
How is getting weaker when you level up not hardcore?

>>384174105
Underage b8

>>384174052
100% true but it's also incompatible with like 90% of mods so it can't really replace it.

>>384174074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN80_7rNmcE
What a great game.

>>384165639
>starts off shitting on prisoner opening because it makes no sense
Dropped. Guys retarded if he has to think that hard about why a random person would end up imprisoned for a bullshit reason.

>>384172290
lmao oblivion is one of the most mainstream games ever, why do you think skyrim was so hyped? you're the casual underage who hasn't touched any of the games pre morrowind, and probably not even morrowind

>>384174031
>skyrim
>another playthrough of draugr dungeons
No, fuck no. The content of Skyrim was boring for the most part. If the game can't hold any interest or investment then it isn't fun. Skyrim is worth one playthrough for the few good quests rather than Oblivion.

>>384166465
It's nothing special now, but think about when it was you played Oblivion and when it released. Now it's nothing special, but when i first played it I had never seen a vista like that in a video game.

>>384174994
Yeah, I thought being a prisoner was just a way for the player to make up their own backstory.

Anyone else notice the huge increase of anti-oblivion threads since that video came out?

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>>384175083
Skyrim's Draugr dungeons are more fufilling than Oblivion's boring bandit caves.
No, I'm not saying draugr dungeons are stellar. But Oblivion's scaled world is so bad that unless a quest sends you there, you never ever have any reason to explore.

>>384175342
Oblivion's always been shit, like Halo. It's just that people that were young when it came out are nostalgia eyed adults now.

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Oblivion's bad and while Skyrim is also bad, it addressed some of the serious issues with Oblivion, while introducing new ones. So did Fallout 3.
This made me hope that they learned at least a little from game to game.
But then Fallout 4 came out.

>Skyrim = Game of Thrones
>Oblivion = Lord of the Rings
>Morrowind = ???

>>384175381
Every fucking quest in Skyrim is a draugr/falmer dungeon. The Bard's College quests were too.

At least there is substance that has nothing to with caves.

>>384175510
Skyrim came out 6 years ago. Kids who were in middle school when it came out are adults. If anything this wave of bullshit is because Skyrim nostalgia kids have come out of the woodworks.

>>384175931
Dune?

>>384175995
Oblivion is an empty world with nothing but a few interesting quests as setpieces. Nothing else. The world is empty and dead and entirely lifeless. Thank god for Fast Travel in it, because you are literally missing nothing.
I play Oblivion first when it came out, and it is my least favorite Elder Scrolls game and the worst one other than perhaps Redguard or Arena.
I wasn't a child when Oblivion came out though, and that might be why I don't have nostalgia for it like others do.

>>384174052
They're more comparable to Gothic than the base games outside of sharing some mechanics.

>>384176597
I am not saying Oblivion is good, I am just saying it is by no means in any capacity worse than Skyrim.

>>384175184
>when i first played it I had never seen a vista like that in a video game.
Same. It's the first game that made me upgrade my computer.

>>384163440
>3 TES games

Look at this retard and laugh. Did you know Fallout didn't start with 3?

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>yfw Oblivion has better AI than Skyrim

>>384177206
The leveling and skill system is so broken that even a total removal in Skyrim is better.

>>384170042
>hunter camp with skill book
>hunter camp with troll
>dragon mounds as an example
you really got me there by proving my point and providing a source.

>>384170190
...that are recorded on the shittier of the two wiki's. good try.

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>>384177287
>3 TES games
>using the same formula
Shocking twist anon, the retard was you all along.

>>384177445
yeah, I think a lot of people here learned how to level and approached it from a structured informed place. For casual or lazy players, the leveling system in oblivion is a game ruining bad mechanic.

>>384177910
Right, like learning to live with one arm or while deaf or having another crippling deformity.
If you're born with it, it's not so bad. But if you get thrust into it you recognize how awful it is and know you'll always be a freak.
Personally, I started with Oblivion but after trying Morrowind and the others, and then Skyrim I recognized how awful Oblivion's scaling really was.

>>384167372

fucking this. people who say skyrim is all snow have clearly never played it.

Each hold has a totally different biosphere.

Whiterun is grassy plains/a little bit of tundra in places

Riften is autumn forests and lakes

Markarth is mountain valleys(grassy, not snowy for the most part)

Solitutde is summer forest/seaside, with swamps down below the city

Winterhold is...winter, obviously. same with windhelm. those are the actual snowy places.

Falkreath is just straight up forests and the like, lots of nature and certainly not any sort of frozen plains or ice


Down below you have Blackreach with it's awesome giant glowing mushrooms
Skyrim has actual regions, and each region has it's own weather and environments.


Anyone who says Riften and Windhelm are anything alike is smoking crack.

>>384177445
>>384177910
I like Oblivion with Maskar's Overhaul and Unnecessary Violence III. It still level's basically the same, the combat is much more challenging and fluid

>>384178239
>Personally, I started with Oblivion but after trying Morrowind and the others, and then Skyrim I recognized how awful Oblivion's scaling really was.

It's like a child that has always had bad eyesight getting their first pair of glasses. Until then, they thought that was just how the world was supposed to work.
>>384178337
OOO was an absolute godsend. Oblivion needs mods harder than any other TES game, perhaps even any Bethesda game full stop.

>>384178310
It doesn't matter when the colour palette was almost entirely the same.
In Skyrim's overworld everything just blends together, there are no memorable locations.
Even the Greybeard mountain is fucking boring

>>384175931
Probably something like dark crystal, or labyrinth.

>>384173604
Get lost or I'll pull your arm off.

>>384175931
Something actually fucking original for once.

I played skyrim first, so I don't have the rose tinted nostalgia goggles for Oblivion.

Some of the quests are better in oblivion, and overall it had a lighter tone.


As a game, skyrim is WORLDS more polished and easy to play.

Oblivion's leveling system was a fucking trainwreck, magic was absolutely busted as soon as you were able to craft spells, the combat was terrible, enemy scaling was horrible and would leave you severely underpowered if you didn't metagame, and the AI was somehow even more retarded than skyrim's.


Skyrim isn't better in all respects, but it is a MUCH more smooth and polished experience than Oblivion ever was.

>>384178678
The repeating that doesn't make it any more true. Oblivion's got way more boring terrain.

>>384179013
Please cut down on the redditspacing. You're mostly right but fuck your way of putting it is terrible.

>>384178678

what?

Riften's autumn forests used the same color pallet as fucking whiterun? or markarth? or Windhelm?


Are you high?


nothing "blends together". I'm able to tell exactly what hold I'm in at any given time by simply looking around, I rarely even need to check the map.


Oblivion;s environments were samey as fuck

>>384167402
The only reason you think this is because you played Oblivion before Skyrim. The freshfaced babbies starting TES with Skyrim will be saying the exact same thing come TESVI.

The only memorable quest that Skyrim has is the one where you get drunk with the Daedric Prince

>>384163561
>>384163885

people like you are all fucking retarded. I won't even bother quoting the rest of you complete faggots who are part of the anti-Skyrim internet hate brigade.

you're all full of shit.

>>384179173

I'm not sure why people insist on callinjg that "redditspacing". I never even post on reddit. I just space my shit like that for longer posts so it's easier to read, rather then being in a big block. always have

>>384177287
Lmao retard

>>384179213
Stop the spacing guy.

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It didn't, Oblivion wasn't nearly as good but /v/ hates Skyrim for being a "normie" game.

>>384179427
It's honestly just a meme, but you way overspace your posts and it is absolutely fucking disgusting.

>>384178678
shut up, faggot.

they've shown great variety and there have been plenty of memorable places. since the game was much more obscure in its artistic direction you just don't seem to remember because you're a fag who needs oversaturated wow-glow bullshit sparkle effects for everything so that it takes root in your bird-brain, you faggerooni cuck-pie.

>>384173085
nah.

antiquated dogshit and only playable with tons of mods. otherwise it's kind of a snorefest.

Skyrim = best TES yet

face it, cucks.

>>384180136
Now you're just shitposting.

>>384172948
dumbest post so far, actually several post ITT are braindead.

well, what do you fucking think the companions literally fucking were, you cocksucker?

>>384180269
they are a den of warewolves

oh wait, no according to you the dark brotherhood is a fighter's guild too. good point, moron

>>384172948
apparently the fighter's guild is an imperial organization and
>muh imperials
means that it got norded up for skyrim. same thing for the mages guild I guess, beth probably couldn't think of anything original for the thieves guild or the DB

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>>384175931
>Morrowind = ???
According to Michael Kirkbride: Mad Max, The Dark Crystal, and Star Wars.

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>>384176597
>perhaps Redguard
You take that back.

>>384181146
Redguard is a nice game in theory but clunky to actually play.

>>384161903
thats not how you use that phrase

>>384172948
Or a fucking Arena.

>>384180721

The companions pre-date the fighter's guild by like 1000 years, so they beat them to the punch in skyrim pretty hard.

Also, nords in general are much more of a warrior culture, and thus don't have as much need for a group of dedicated mercenaries.


if you need some muscle in skyrim, you can basically just round up your neighbors, since pretty much all of them likely have well maintained weapons and are trained to use them.

>>384173604
Azura! Azura! AZURA!

>>384181712
Azura wasn't memorable. Daggerfall had a more memorable Azura, where she tries to act godly but is actually a petty bitch that throws a hissy fit if you stand up to her.

>>384181847
I don't think you've played Oblivion if you think he was talking about Azura.

>>384181950
Just not very memorable, anon.

>>384161903
>"je ne sais quoi"
English you foreign fuck

>>384180508
>they are a den of warewolves
>ware

and no, they are not just that, you absolute faggot.

>oh wait, no according to you the dark brotherhood is a fighter's guild too. good point, moron

according to who? stop putting words in my mouth, you imbecile faggot. if i didn't say shit about DB, I didn't say shit about DB. go to a brain doctor, deceitful retard.

>>384165147
>>384164743

This.

Unfortunately faggots on this board mostly played Oblivion as baby's first RPG on their Niggerbox 360's, hence the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles they view the pig with.

Objective tier of all Bethesda 3D RPGs:

Morrowind > Skyrim > Fallout 4 > Fallout 3 > Todd Howard's Jizz Rag >Oblivion

>>384182174
>heeeeeey, I didn't say those EXACT words, come on now, you biggg bullly

ok man, hey keep doing you, those dicks are not going to suck themselves.

>>384182319
Morrowind > Skyrim > Fallout 3 > Oblivion > Fallout 4.

>>384182440
not only was it not the exact words, I didn't say it AT ALL, you retarded faggot-fuck.

die in a fire, you degenerate.

>>384181320
How is the theory good? It goes against the freedom that the elder scrolls is supposed to be about. Being a spin off doesn't excuse it, all the other es spin offs still had a character creator.

Skyrim was too much of a glib facsimile, compared to Oblivion which wasn't.

>>384182974
Oblivion was a glib fascimile of an elder scrolls game.

>>384161903
Oblivion's world was so boring. Skyrim actually had political conflicts that people argue over who's right to this day.

>>384183708
MEHRUNES DAGON DID NOTHING WRONG

>>384183215
Sure, but Skyrim was a glib facsimile of Oblivion, rather than being a glib facsimile of an Elder Scrolls game, which would be okay.

>>384183215
No, it wasn't even that. It was nothing. Disgusting, soulless trash.

>>384183992
Skyrim pointledly and somewhat obviously tried to change what Oblivion did wrong, in the same way Oblivion tried to do that for some things in Morrwind. It wasn't really a memeword memeword of Oblivion.
Now, Oblivion and Skyrim introduced their own issues at the same time, but Oblivion's were much deeper and more horrific. Easier to fix with mods, to an extent, but that doesn't mean that the vanilla game wasn't worse.

>>384165281
no anon, its the potato faces

>>384183708
True, but they neutered it by making the conflict inconsequential.

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>>384167672
>>384170190
>The Elder Scrolls Wiki
Typical Skyrim babby

>>384167402
For me skyrims most memorable moments was one brief moment where I hunted down the emperor for the dark brotherhood, the Hangover questline for fucking giggles and for sending me all over the world when I really only stuck to the South.... And uh....


Uhhhh.....


Uhhhh red eagle, but only out of pure hatred.

I did have a great moment when I first killed the bitch matron from the orphanage. I was going through whiteryn when the courier ran up. Mind you this was in the dead of night and my first playthrough. When I opened that letter I flipped my shit. And then I went to in-game bed and flipped my shit.

I'm all for Morrowind though. A lot more memorable moments, even if I kept screw in myself over because I'd accidently dropped the dwemer puzzle box for the main quest

>>384182870
First of all, of course being a spinoff would excuse it because deciding that every single game with the Elder Scrolls name must play exactly the same would severely limit the ways the world could be expressed. It's like complaining that the official novels don't have a character creator either.

Secondly, Redguard certainly has a lot more freedom than the only other Bethesda-developed spinoff: Battlespire. At least Redguard still has an open world you can explore at your leisure and quests that can be completed in many different orders. Being a linear dungeon crawler doesn't make Battlespire a bad game either, however, because that's its genre and it's good at it.

>>384169924
>>384169419
>Bethesda's shit engine means its not a river
And Skyrim doesn't have actual physics to its currents at all. That was added in Skyrim SE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6EjcESYIXk#t=2m54s

>>384184597
Oh lawdy, this.
I was all pumped for this civil war but it became as noticable as bandits. The forsworn were more noticible than a civil war that herald's the day of dragons.


I mean... We saw conflict before. New Vegas and FO3 did it right with NCR and Legion & Brotherhood and Enclave respectively

Best thing to do in Oblivion was to never level.

Best thing to do in Skyrim was create waifus and not really play the game

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>>384186194
Clearly you didn't see the threads after Oblivion waned but before Skyrim came out.

>>384162657
special ediditon.. nuf said.

>>384186439
didnt find 4chan until mid-city of heroes

boy how the dark web changed me

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>>384161903
oblivion´s shit ass engine was horrid mess and nothing could help that trainwreck.. oblivion faces still give me fkin nightmares..
even morrowind was more bearable to look at..

>>384187236
>Dark web
I'm pretty sure that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>384167513
Cheydinhal or Chorrol can't remember. One of those had the comfiest cityscape I've ever experienced

Skyrim is better than Oblivion only if you have objectively shit taste.

>>384188309
Oblivion is one of the worst games of all time.
It's like defending Bioshock Infinite or Daikatana.
You clearly have no taste at all.

I really miss the Radiant AI of Oblivion in Skyrim
Sure it was cheesy at times (have you heard about the High Elves?), but it did give a certain feeling of life in the world
NPC's had schedules that went further than wake up, go to stall and go back for dinner
And the dialogue, which ranged from alright to terrible to hilariously bad, also helped to at least give a sense that the world lived and interacted

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>>384188309
and you objectively applied a subjective opinion as a fact.. lol u dumb faggotocuck, please.. i played tes since arena..
nothing beats skyrim.. maybe daggerfall.. but oblivion can´t compete.. get your head outta your ass and the taste of shit your mouth..

>>384188541
checkout skyrim immersive citizens

>>384188698
You sleep rather soundly, for a modder

>>384165501
>3E
>not believing in Dunmer female (male)