>is critically acclaimed >doesn't even have good gameplay

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>>384119158
Explain what's so bad about the gameplay.

I haven't played W3 so I don't know if it applies but for some reason RPGs are allowed to get away with playing like complete shit. Just look at Beth soft. Yes this include NV.

>>384119293
five minutes of start up frames and input lag
combat is linear and boring
customization is limited and very console-like
Exploration isn't rewarding
Quest lines are repetitive
USE EAGLE EYE TO SOLVE PUZZLE
and so on

>>384119356
Well that is mostly because you only consider basic twitch and button mashing to be good gameplay, while RPG's are based around mechanics usually don't manifest in immediate twitch-skill exercise.

Seriously, fuck the generation of console-raised kiddies who think if it's not testing your button mashing skills it's not "gameplay".

>>384119474
Bethesda games have that excuse.

Witcher 3 doesn't, considering its limited RPG aspects.

Witcher is a vn.

A good vn but a vn nonetheless

>>384119474
Witcher 3 is also pretty much a button masher, the only difference is that the mashing is done in a slower pace.

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>>384119474
>Well that is mostly because you only consider basic twitch and button mashing to be good gameplay
Wait, wait, I do? Oh no! That means I can't enjoy my favorite game anymore. :(
And I'm not exactly sure what "Twitch and button mashing" means but it sounds like a very intellectual approach to game design to me.

>>384119531
>Bethesda games have that excuse.
Actually, Bethesda games DON'T have that excuse. New Vegas or original Fallouts or Arcanum or Gothic or many other games do. Bethesda has not been providing anything of substance in deeper level mechanics at all.

As for Witcher 3, all of it's flaws are being MASSIVELY overstated. It's not an amazing game, functional at best. There is little to no input lag unless you are running it on machine that can't handle it. The combat is simple and lacks in greater progression: something interestingly enough not caused so much by the combat system itself, but rather in lack of variety of enemy combat patterns: something the expansions actually proved... It's functional. Serviceable. Basic action game stuff. Definitely not something to write home about, but not something that in any way actually breaks the experience. It's biggest flaw is the fact that it just does not offer enough variety or growth for a game that takes around 120+ hours to complete: the combat system depth is just poorly suited to the game's length.

>>384119612
Hardly done at a slower pace. Actually TW3 is slightly more spastic than say, Dark Souls. That is not a positive thing: just a pratical observation.
That said, yeah. I was more commenting on the attitude towards RPG's (NV being mentioned in particular). TW3 is barely one: it's an action RPG with big emphasis on the action element of it.

>>384119716
You are comparing basic multiplayer casual game to classic RPG and that leads to the conclusion that RPG's are bad. Because they aren't casual PvP multiplayer game? Really?

Also, are you trying to make me feel bad for not being retard? Because that is not generally going to work.

You just have to accept the fact that games like Gothic are dead because games need to be dumbed down these days due to catering to a such wider demographic.

>>384119892
What makes you interpret the line "RPGs are allowed to get away with playing like complete shit" to mean "ALL RPGs play like complete shit"?
t. someone who loves GURPS and other TTRPGs

>>384119581
What is vn?

>>384121486

So hard isn't it? You fucking retard.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vn+game

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>>384119158
>is critically acclaimed
>doesn't even have good gameplay
Why DOES this keep happening, OP?

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>is critically acclaimed
>doesn't even have good gameplay
Why does this keep happening?

Yeah I know. Why the fuck do JRPGs keep getting good reviews despite their gameplay just being clicking on menus?

>>384121564
I tried to look it up and it did not show me anything.

I am not a retard.

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>>384119158
>I didn't like it so it's shit

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>is critically acclaimed
>doesn't even have good gameplay
Why does this keep happening??

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>is critically acclaimed
>doesn't even have good gameplay
Why does this keep happening???

>>384121735
>>384121793
>>384121648
>>384119158
All true

>>384119158
The same could be said for a lot of /v/ essentials:
>Deus Ex.
>System Shock 2.
>Diablo 2.
>Planescape.
>New Vegas.
>Mount and Blade.
>Automata.
etc.

>>384119158
I have to agree with you. I want to like it. the visuals are top tier, the story is pretty engaging but the fighting mechanics are absolute shit. Basically just mash square and roll away a lot. I got to after kairn morhen (or whatever that place was called) and dropped it. Fucking sick of the gameplay

>>384119158
LOTR obsessed nerds who run the industry

I played The WItcher 3, literally a generic D&D, LOTR ripoff for autistic faggots

honeslty grown adults who are STILL into "muh dragons and wizards" need to be shot

Red Dead, MGSV, FF15, all better open world games

>>384119158
name an rpg besides a souls game with better gameplay.

>>384122101
Icewind Dale

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>>384121637
/Thread

What are some critucally acclaimed games that have good gameplay?

>>384122412
tetris?

>Conan o'Brien featured Witcher 3

Witcher just had good shilling and its romance appealled to women.
All you need to sell games, really.

>mfw witcher fags are now shitting on diablo 2 to defend their turd

>>384122238
Icewind dale is like all combat though. Granted, I personally dislike everyone and their mother in TW, so that's not saying much.

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Oh look another """bad gameplay""" thread

>>384122074
>FF15 a better open world game

What are you smoking bro?

>>384122516
Both games play like shit, no doubt about it.

>>384119158
The first picture is literally in the game though

>>384119158
Gothic

>>384119158
because the gameplay does not amount to the sum of its parts

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The open world design is literally ubisoft-tier in its filler and POI spam, and is further destroyed by...

...the loot system, which destroys any incentive for exploration. The weapons you find are worse than witcher gear you obtained 10 levels ago, and you get witcher gear from quests anyway so its not like you have to go hunting for them.
Money holds practically no value whatsoever, and the only loot you find thats useful is alchemy ingredients. Which would be fine if...

...the combat system wasn't so barebones and bland. Throughout your 150+ hour adventure, you use one moveset, 5 bland spells, a crossbow, some bombs and optional potions. The enemy and boss design is so generic and boring though, that using all that hify shit like potions and decoction is pretty much pointless. The biggest strategy is just to mash light attack twice, backhop, and repeat. A large majority of the enemies follow this mentality, and it never truly evolves into anything more meaningful. Why does Djikstra have the same moveset as a wild hunt warrior you fight with Keira?
The game even reskins and recycles enemies in paid DLC, and then dares to call them new ones with new beastiry entries.

The quest design is made for literal braindead children who can't think for themselves. Its obnoxiously yawn inducing because the "investigations" you do are practically you just walking around in circles and spamming X so geralt can shove some more exposition down your throat. It lacks depth, challenge, player activity and more than anything else, longevity. It never evolves into anything more unique or interesting, and it persists through the ENTIRE 150+ hours.

The main quest is basically super mario in poland, where Geralt goes around picking flowers, herding goats and helping every bum under the sun just so he can get the usual message that "nah bro, I don't know shit senpai"

cont

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>>384123791


Skellige is wasted potential at best, and the game rushes to its conclusion way too fast after Kaer Morhen. Novigrad and Velen use up a massive portion of time, and the entire point of those areas boils down to "your ciri is in another area that requires you to go through like 20 boring side missions before anything substantial happens"

The story sets up its stakes way too high, and thus makes side content break immersion to a major degree. Theres no reason why Geralt would go around killing nekkers for pennies when the literal end of the world was around the corner.

Speaking of which, the white frost, ciris powers and all of culminating at the same time is some of the most cringe inducing shit I've ever seen. Ciri can hop between time and space because "its in her blood lmao" and the white frost is just a prophecy of "dude lmao if it happens we all die lmaooooo"

Then at the end when you defeat Eredin (who is the most bland fucking villain I've ever seen, he has less lines than reskinned shopkeepers in Velen), the white frost just suddenly comes at the same exact time and Ciri defeats it somehow and everythings awesome and then yay the game ends.
Its rushed as fuck and I lost all my interest in caring about the characters during that arc.

HOS is the best content in the game, but it doesn't fix the gameplay gripes. The story is great however and has the only good antagonist in the entire game.

B&W is fine, but again has the same problems with its open world, quest design, enemy design, and even the main quest.

Overall the game doesn't have a single piece of good gameplay, and the only thing that comes close is the boss fight with Dettlaff.
Its worth experiencing because of things completely unrelated to it being a video game. You would get the same exact experience from just watching it on youtube for fucks sake, and even then it would save you money, time and most of all effort since you wouldn't have to wade through boring filler.

>>384123791
>>384123846
I can't refute any of this

>>384123882
remind me again how to tell if somebody is samefagging?

>>384123967
Please check the post times since you clearly don't have the ID script going in greasemonkey you stupid newfag.

https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/text/The%20open%20world%20design%20is%20literally%20ubisoft-tier%20in%20its%20filler%20and%20POI%20spam%2C%20and%20is%20further%20destroyed%20by/page/1/

https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/filename/1494803399838/page/2/

embarrassing

>>384123791
>>384123846
The level up and progression system was super shit as well. The perks are boring as hell, so the only incentive of leveling up is getting better equipment which has bigger numbers on it. It also makes no fucking sense that Geralt, an almost centenarian professional monster hunter, has to level up to not get his shit pushed in by drowners that just happen to exist in a higher-level area than the drowners in the starting zone.

>>384124052
while it may be posted a lot, the problem is that it's all true and never addressed

>>384124052
If the pasta is true then it doesn't matter that it's a copy pasta

Witcherkeks can't argue with it and get BTFO every time it's posted.

B-BUT IT'S A COPYPASTA!!!! Says the Witchercuck

It doesn't matter, it has valid points and is constructive and you can't defend your shit game

>>384123846
Basically everything that has something to do with ciri is shit. Has there ever been a worse character than her?

>>384124170
>>384124170
most of it is not true at all, and to see that all you have to do is
1) Read the books
2) Know Geralt's motivations
The poster severely confuses Geralt as the chosen one savior of the world, when he's not that kind of protagonist at all.

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>>384119158
How many more years will have to pass until faggots stop making Witcher threads several times a day?

>>384121486
A Visual Novel. A completely different genre, but I get the idea that for most of the kiddies on /v/ Witcher is their first story driven game at all, and first RPG they've ever played after Dark Souls, so Visual Novel is their closest approximation.

>>384124269
>most of it is not true at all
This is literally the best refutation I've ever seen offered.

>>384124317
Dark Souls isn't an RPG.

>>384124269
>read the books

why does it always come back to this? the book isn't the fucking game, we're talking about the game

>>384119293
Explain what is good about the gameplay!

>>384124317
does this mean vn's are games now, because you can't have it both ways

>>384124361
not surprisingly, you ignored the actual relevant part of the post.
nice shitpost, have a (you).

>>384124370
because the game, especially witcher 3, relies heavily on book content. It's the game in the series that draws the most from the books, which is odd since it's the final one.

>>384122046
>Deus Ex
>Mount and Blade
>bad gameplay

I'm not sure you know what "gameplay" actually means.

>>384124460
This is funny. I wonder how long you'll keep going for? You ignored EVERYTHING and just said "nuh uh".

The books are trash fantasy, too. I regretted my time wasted reading the short story collections.

>>384119158
>I don't like it so it must be objectively bad

>>384124460
so does the boot explain the loot system being crappy?
does it explain why combat is bad?
does it explain bad quest design?
does it explain Skellige being wasted potential?
does it explain how the game was rushed?

>>384124570
book* my bad
no doubt you'll focus on that error instead of the actual argument

You guys ever heard of a neat little thing called "mods"?

>>384119158
>playing on consoles
L to the M to the A to the O

>>384124642
if only the mod tools were not shit

look back at neverwinter's toolset, even geck in the 3d fallouts, THAT'S how you do it, not the half-assed job (if they even put any effort at all into it) that CDPR did

>>384124317
Choosing between a few options every 30min is still better gameplay than what Witcher offer...

Im sorry you were too stupid to catch the joke so I had to explain it to you.

>>384124170
depends on how you expect to refute somebodies else's subjective interpretations of bland in an industry of bland

Some of these points must have comparisons to which you are able to tell me where these faults, have been done better. Otherwise, how are we to expect that it should be any different than what it is.

Presumably, they are not all the same game.

>>384124570
1) I was replying to a point made about Geralt's role in the franchise, which Witcher 3 stays true to, citing the books as a source
2) Why would you ask me if the book explains the mechanical faults of Witcher 3? Are you retarded? My post had nothing to do with that.

>>384124720
You do realize that making something like the Neverwinter toolset for a game like Witcher 3 would be a huge undertaking, yes?

>>384122046
>implying Mount and Blade has good gameplay
Nigger it has nothing BUT gameplay. There is no story. The graphics are shit.

But hey this is /v/ so I don't expect you actually play video games.

>>384124843
sure, but thats beside the point

>>384124737
>it was a joke

No. You have no idea what you're talking about. No surprise there, since I've also seen /v/ kiddies call the Witcher an Adventure game.

>>384124570
>so does the boot explain the loot system being crappy?
how is it crappy?
it's literally "press space to loot", what's wrong with that?
>does it explain why combat is bad?
gonna give a few examples? It's not amazing combat, but it's certainly better than other open-world "RPGs" out there.
>does it explain bad quest design?
again, examples? or are you just gonna throw buzzwords at me and expect me to refute your non-existent point?
>does it explain Skellige being wasted potential?
what do you mean by this?
>does it explain how the game was rushed?
the only instance of "rushed!" that I noticed was Dijkstra's questline.

>>384124843
HUGE, right, thing is they promised to make some but pbbbbt

worse tools than witcher 2, which is amazing. you'll find a way to defend that too though.

>>384119449
>combat is linear and boring
TW3 isn't a hard game, but pumping up the difficulty means you have to actually use all your gear to be effective.
Spamming x through the whole game and only using quen/igni is boring, yes.

Exploring is absolutely rewarding as it leads to new gear and equipment.
You play geralt, the level of customisation in armour, hair and beard is absolutely plenty.

Quest lines are repetitive because they're based on the mechanics, if you're calling TW3 quests repetitive then surely by definition countless games are repetitive since you're just doing the same shit on a different backdrop or with a new context.

The witcher sense is a bit overused but it makes sense and I'd take it over the standard "go here" or "let me mark that on your map" stuff.

TW3 isn't a perfect game but people who say it's shit are retards.
If it was the bog-standard of open world RPGs things would be a lot better.

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>>384124170
>Witcherkeks
>Says the Witchercuck
Oh look who it is!

>>384124962
they did make mod tools for witcher 3, you just can't create new content

>>384124642
what about them?

we are discussing the base game, it might improve my overall experience but it has nothing to do with what we originally payed for

>>384125019
exactly what I said, you dipthong. and they were shittier than witcher 2's tools

>>384125030
Well yeah, but they fix quite a lot of the most common complaints (sadly not the shitty quest design though).

>>384124987
>pumping up the difficulty means you have to actually use all your gear to be effective.
No you just need upgraded quen and you can breeze through the game.

>>384125063
how? you can't create new content for witcher 2 either lol
all the balance/animation/graphics/mechanic changes are in tw3 mods as well

>>384124962
I'm not here to defend anything you little faggot. Witcher 3 is overrated but hardly the irredeemable piece of shit you so desperately try to make it out to be.

>>384125083
maybe but if i don't think it's an excuse for Skyrim i won't be using it here

>>384125096
It is part of that argument of "if there's an easy way to do things people will always do it" thing (I forget the actual term) but I find that very dull.

>>384125224
You said you HAVe to actually use everything to be effective while you clearly do not if you can just spam the same thing and get away with it.

It's bad design.

>>384125151
Cool virtue signaling.

>>384125175
The biggest difference though is that Skyrim is shit at it's very core and can't be fixed with mods, while Witcher 3 has plenty going on and (most) big flaws can easily be fixed.

It's like with Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas. Both can be extensively modded but New Vegas is still much, much better due to writing and overall game design philosophy.

>>384124987
>Exploring is absolutely rewarding as it leads to new gear and equipment
You mean gear and equipment that's worse than what you currently have especially if you already have witcher gear. And please, killing a red skull monster for hours just to get a shitty armor and some materials that immediately gets sold off isn't my idea of rewarding.
>You play geralt, the level of customisation in armour, hair and beard is absolutely plenty.
You have the same options for hair and beard as in W2. I doubt there's any customization of armor in the game, unless you count mixing and matching sets which is stupid since the only armor and weapons you need is whatever witcher gear you want.
>The witcher sense is a bit overused but it makes sense and I'd take it over the standard "go here" or "let me mark that on your map" stuff.
I know you can turn off witcher sense markers appearing in the map but every quest is still marked in your map. There isn't really much of a difference between witcher sense and marking important objects in the area.

So what should i be playing now

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>>384124642
There are no mods that thoroughly fix the mess that is Witcher 3 gameplay.

The only thing that comes even close is Witcher 3 Enhanced Edition, but its balance is a complete fucking mess, and the author is literally Mr. Neo-/v/ and isn't even developing it anymore because he got butthurt over Youtube comments comparing his mod to Dark Souls.

>combat is an abortion of dark souls and assassin's creed

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>>384125583

>>384125583
>>384125661
I'm not reading literally 2 pages worth of youtube comments. TL;DR or GTFO

I found playing on a higher difficulty with enemy scaling made you use all of your options and made the combat better. Using bombs and signs in a more creative way and preparing with potions and oils. They should have had the extra signs from blood and wine into the main game desu, that frosty aard hng.

>>384119158
If it had good gameplay, it would be too complex for the target audience to understand.

>>384125824
Evidently you're not reading 2 sentences worth of 4chan post, either.

>the author is literally Mr. Neo-/v/ and isn't even developing it anymore because he got butthurt over Youtube comments comparing his mod to Dark Souls.

>>384124042
gib script

>>384119449
Wrong on all counts, try harder

>>384119158
It is pretty common thing for RPGs.

>>384119158
Compared to its main competition from Bethesda a d Bioware, it's amazing. So much so that people are willing to overlook the fact that it's not Devil May Cry.

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Remember when CDPR drones were saying their employers weren't SJW sellouts?

>>384125583
>not getting updated anymore
There's a Witcher 3 enchanced edition that was uploaded to the nexus just at the end of last month.

>>384126134
Dragon Age Inquisition has better combat than Witcher 3.

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>The cast's expressions during vesemir's funeral.

>>384126139
>faggots exist
ring the alarm

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Reminder that Witcher 3 is Ass Creed-tier braindead but atleast Ass Creed doesn't trick its players into thinking its an RPG when it's not.

>>384126139
>gays in a gmae
wow the sjws are really out of control!

>>384126354
Read the lines. It's literally Geralt going full IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR WOMEN CAN FIGHT

Wow bloodborne fags are still fucking pissed
BB was an alright game. It excelled in atmosphere and story telling, however, it'd game play was dumbed down souls mechanics.

>>384126323
Ass creed at least has a satisfying combat system.

>rpg codex cucks defending shit game
>cuckscene kiddies jerking off to movie game

Name 10 (ten) critically acclaimed games from the last 5 (five) years that had good gameplay.

>>384126224
Oh, you're right. I hadn't noticed that. He's even fixed the mod description so it's actually written in text instead of being a fucking image with an indecipherable typeface. The actual balance of the mod is still likely to be complete ass, though.

>>384126403
>deflecting this hard
L M A O
M
A
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>>384126389
I was only referring to one of the images in that.

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CDPR Whoresons will defend this cancerous game design.

>>384126403
>but bloodborne
First mention in this thread

>>384126323
assassins creed unity had better more demanding combat

witcher 3 is just artificial difficulty of levels / gears and rudimentary button spam

>>384126139

The cross dressing elf says he isn't a cock garbler, he just likes dressing as anything he can. The knight woman gets her shit pushed in by geralt in the tournament. The so-badass-captain gets her tail between her legs as soon as geralt says "Skellige".

>>384126496
I HATED THAT SHIT SO MUCH EVERY FUCKING AREA AND QUEST HAD THIS

IF YOURE GOING TO MAKE YOUR VIEW SO HIGH UP AND FORCE YOUR SLOW MOVING SLOW DOWN INVETIGATION MODE FUCKING ALLOW US TO SEE SHIT ON THE GROUND AND SELECT IT BETTER

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Damn, what's the deal with Bioware and their animations???

>>384119158
The gameplay is OK, not bad, not great either. It just werks.
This meme is retarded though since most action-RPG's have way worst gameplay.

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>>384126639
CDPR Shilling Army will say it's ok because this game cost 16 pence to make.

LIES.

Witcher 3 had a budget of 80 million. With low Pole salaries accounted for, this game will have had the manpower to match the very most expensive western AAA games.

>>384126758
>its serviceable so.. GOTY!
>most journalists didnt even play past bloody baron

>>384126812
>most journalists didn't even play
FTFY

>>384126868
"journalists"

>>384126812
Genres are judged by different standards. Mario games are allowed to have a "serviceable" story. The same is true with RPGs but for combat.

>>384126139
Nothing from that is even borderline SJW you fucking retard, stop falseflagging to hide real SJW bullshit.

>>384126812
>Caring about vidya awards
You're a giant faggot.

>>384126639
Cherry picking of the highest order. Imagine how many hours and hours of cutscenes he had to go through to find this one barely 9 seconds long scene with awkward animation.

>>384127203
>Geralt is full John Oliver mode
>middle-east man going on how whites are savages
>fags everywhere
>It's the current year women can also fight
Fuck off CDPR cuntson.

>>384127116
Story isn't important in a video GAME, shitstain. Can a story enhance a game? Absolutely. Can it be the only thing it has? No.

>>384127116
>Its ok for a game to have shit gameplay
??????

>>384127302
>Cherry picking of the highest order

500 points

What has CDPR drones been doing for the past five years to undermine other RPGs?

>>384127375
>story isn't important in adventure games
>story isn't important in rpgs
>story isn't important in text adventures

What a retard. Frankly, if critics judged games the way /v/ does almost every Fighting game would have a better score than almost every RPG.

>>384127483
You mean like talking shit about some garbage like Fallout 3 and 4 or something?

>>384126487
>>384126505
Witcher 3 was better
That's why it made goty

>>384119293
Too Bamham for a hundred hour RPG

>>384127375
>Story isn't important in a video GAME, shitstain.
Then explain how Persona 5, which has next to no gameplay, is being hauled as GOTY by half of /v/.

>>384127116
And roleplaying. And graphics. And writing. And voice acting. And music.

>>384127530
Fallout 3 is a hundred times the RPG that Witcher 3 ever will be.

>>384127528
>who cares about gameplay? Its all about the story!
>i'd rather be watching cutscenes instead of playing the game
And they told me neo-/v/ isn't real.

>>384127347
>Geralt is shown again and again to not discriminate against anyone except maybe military guys because of his experience
>the middle-eastern guys are all quite arrogant and shown as such
>the one explicit homosexual in the game was driven out of his village while his lover killed himself
>the woman fighting gets her shit pushed in

You're retarded and haven't played the game.

>>384127568
>which has next to no gameplay
I lost 40 hours with just the fusion system
And then using them in fight and finding my way through really well level design dunjons
Try again

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will /v/ ever stop being mad at W3

>>384127568
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

>>384124407
VN's have always been games

>>384127603
It sure as fuck isn't the better game though.

>>384127738
>dude double standards should never be brought to light lmao

>>384127634
>story = cutscenes

You're the neo-/v/.

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We're talking about the same group of drones that zealously denied any downgrade took place when we all saw the footage.

You can't get through the CDPR whoresons.

>>384127837
>I have no argument and I must post
Just be less stupid next time.

>>384127737
Not as long as consolekiddies and Bethesdrones roam the board. They would've shat on Witcher 1 and 2 too if they were around at that time and not on neogaf or reddit or some other shithole.

>>384127926
More than 50% of Witcher 3's sales were on PS4. That's who you're in bed with.

>>384127568
>Then explain how Persona 5, which has next to no gameplay

Man shut the fuck up.

>>384119158
stop crying, little bitch :).

>>384119158
kek i guess you haven't played witcher 1.

plebs

>>384127904
You misquoted, here you go.
>>384127738

>>384127975
So what, consolekiddies buy EVERYTHING, be it good or bad.

>>384127706
But it has no gameplay. All you're doing is running around trying to find a way out of the dungeon and clicking through menus as that is all the combat mechanics consist of.

>>384127975
You bring up a good point. Horizon is essentially girl Witcher, which would explain why that garbage sold so well.

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>>384127926
nah it's mostly because it got too popular for /v/, W1 and 2 are the "patrician choices"
pic related

>>384128052
I know you're angry but remember it's not about winning and losing. You're wrong and also going to ignore everybody else telling you you're wrong.

>>384128150
Well W1 and W2 do certain things better than W3 but I get your point.

>>384128076
>turn based combat isn't gameplay
Man, you can reduce every game's systems into such small terms
Every rpg is just a walking simulator in which you sometimes hit buttons in a sequence to defeat an obstacle

>>384128076
You're not even trying.

>resting automatically makes all your potions
>go into your menus to use all your potions and oils while time's paused
why did they casualize everything from witcher 1 and 2? 2 was already a consolized casual game compared to 1 but at least they kept some things intact

>>384128151
I mean, if I was angry I'd call you out on being a retard. And you should try a little harder if you wanna samefag.

>>384128076
You literally don't know what "gameplay" means.

>>384127347
You can't fucking compare fantasy with real world, there's no Islam in Witcher, there's no Christianity, no jews, and so on. You're the same as SJWs. Fags everywhere? I have played the game for 2 weeks straight now, currently in BaW and I've still yet to come across any faggot, except the prostitutes in Novigrad, and that's fucking normal, even in our history.

Stop denying reality you manchild mirror image of a libcuck.

>>384128363
>witcherfags cry samefag everytime they get btfo

>>384128457
Actually, I'm here to shit on fedoracore.

>>384127634
neo-/v/ bitches about how "cinematic experiences" are ruining video games, unaware that games like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy 4, Grim Fandango, and Planescape Torment massively predate their own age.

>playing the game
Playing a game is more just button mashing. People play RPGs to experience a world, which is why no one cares if a Platformer or Fighting game has a shit story. You don't need to give a shit about the characters to enjoy Street Fighter but without that no one would care about Final Fantasy 7, one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. But of course neo-/v/ thinks that this is something new and unique since Witcher 3 is shiny and new; GOTY two years ago was a learning experience.

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>witcher comes out in May of 2015
>kiddies still buttflustered about it being goat of goats

stay mad. anyone that cries about the combat pretty much 100% confirmed to me that they didn't play witcher 1 or 2. lol the combat in witcher 1....

Witcher 3 DLC > Witcher 1 > Witcher 3 > Witcher 2

stay mad shit posters.

>>384119474
>Seriously, fuck the generation of console-raised kiddies
>he says while sucking off W3, the very image of a console-casualized sequel
I bet you didn't even play W1.

>>384128636
>it's a redditor pretends to be an oldfag episode

>>384128746
>you're a "Redditor" if you point out this double think bullshit

>>384128787
more like attacking strawmen to feel like a badass

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>>384128676
HoS>B&W>Witcher3=Witcher1>Witcher2

>>384121735
gameplay != combat

>>384128746
>it's a buzzword-laden non-argument episode

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>playing Witcher 3 on PC with reshade at 60fps and with mods

Imagine being a cuck who only bought a console in 2017.

>>384126139
I think every single one of those people or at least most of them get btfo for being what they are. Like that gay guy's lover an heroes when people find out and his house goes to ruins while the gay guy himself lives life in exile in some shit village.

The crossdresser isn't a faggot but just a crossdresser that feels empowered when he is in uniform and that sequence only happens if you thought you were going to speak to a woman. Or maybe it happens all the time, didn't play the game twice.

Not going to defend "it's current year" because that's just too meme for me.

>>384128724
Damn this is so fucking corny. Is this the story praised as 10/10?

>>384128836
anon != smart

The game was alright but I really don't understand why people get so incredibly defensive about it.

>>384128947
>thats corny
what are you talking about? Theres nothing corny there, its a medeival dialogue and geralt always talks in that tone of putting the adjectives before nouns

>>384119158
>>is critically acclaimed
>>doesn't even have good gameplay
>Why does this keep happening?

Because professional game critics are idiots. You should have learned never to trust them many years ago.

>>384121637
I like how I said the combat sucked for years and people crucified me for it but once matthewmatosis said it, it's now the general consenus. seriously, fuck /v/.

>>384128903
>payibg 800$ to count couple more frames in same game but with DRM

Not everyone is mentally challenged.

>>384128636
but if gameplay is no gud then the game is no gud REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

also witcher 3 is probably the only action-rpg (where you can actually roleplay) with a decent combat nowadays.

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What happened, Witcherbros? It's not FAIR!

>>384127926
Hey look PC cucks shitposting again.

>>384121648
why is the gameplay bad?

>>384122051
>Basically just mash square and roll away a lot
so it's just like dark souls?

>>384119158
I can't believe people are still butthurt about Bloodborne not getting GOTY. It's been two fucking years.

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>>384129225
>Own gen 8 console
>Bash other anon for DRM
I think it´s you who´s mentally challenged.

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>>384129225
>being so dumb you think it's about counting frames and not about performance
>can't afford a PC

The state of you

>>384129457
all of the day bro

>>384129325
Sorry bucko, I own plenty of consoles and never took any side because I'm not 12 years old.

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Witcherkeks always bring up the critics reviews and scores. So does that mean they admit that Skyrim is much better than TW3?

>>384129113
I mean the *looks into camera and smiles*

If this was on Television it would be a day time soap opera.

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>>384129289
>what happened
Extensive mod support and autism.

>>384121648
>>384121735
>>384121793
All great games, all mediocre "gameplay" at best.

>>384129528
I don't think anybody in this entire thread said anything about review scores.

>>384129490
>>384129496
>build gaming PC
>brag about DRM ports and beg for console games
>justify poor purchase of inferior platform to other people

Please go back to plebbit ok?

>>384129289
What happened is that mods exists, you idiot.

>>384129681
>>>/neogaf/

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>>384122074
>honeslty grown adults who are STILL into "muh dragons and wizards" need to be shot
> FF15
Actually kys you absolute turbofaggot

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>>384129681
(you)

>>384119158
>spends 16 hours a day shitposting
>doesn't even get banned

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Enemy scaling is the best thig that happens in Witcher 3 gameplay.
I feel immersed that even at lvl 7 a pack of wolves can still kill me if I mess about.

>>384129698
What does the fact that both games have mods have anything to do with it?

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>>384123846
>HOS is the best content in the game, but it doesn't fix the gameplay gripes. The story is great however and has the only good antagonist in the entire game.
Fucking this.

After playing it the second time the Wild Hunt seems to be designed from the same 12y/o's as the ones that made Skyrim's Daedric Armor. As edgy and "villainy" as possible without real motivation or reasoning.

HoS was top notch.

>>384129289
sexlab happened

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>>384129681
You're not even gonna try anymore huh

>>384127542
>spouts memes instead of actual complaints

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>>384129602
>>384129698
>the game that is more widely liked gets more mod support

>>384129925
I don't even have to try it. You already made laughing stock of yourself by buying dead system and shitpost out of asshurt

>>384129875
Skyrim is the most modded game in history, witcher 3 barely has mod support. Can't tell if you're trolling or if you really are this dumb.

>>384119449
>five minutes of start up frames and input lag
>combat is linear and boring
>customization is limited and very console-like
???
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>384126139

>>384130028
The irony is palpable.

>>384130079
So the more popular game has more mod support.

That didn't work out quite as you had planned it, huh?

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>>384129602
>>384129698
>CDPR promises excellent mod support
>gives us a barebones toolkit instead of a proper SDK

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>>384129225
lol you are so fucking mad

pleb as fuck too LOL

>>384130257
>no u

pathethic

>>384130000
Skyrim's engine is also a lot easier to mod.

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>>384129681
lol city of mad

i bet you have so many multiplat shit games on console too. i smell them from here

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>>384130383
>mad

I would be if I was PC pleb.

>>384130416
Hey man, you're the one shitting on people for doing something when the only person doing exactly that is you.

>>384130361
So you don't even know what mod support means, way to go.
Bethesda games are notoriously the easiest games out there to mod, even a 12 year old can make a story mod and put it on the nexus. Modding witcher 3 requires you to have actual programming knowledge.

>>384130492
I don't brag about getting multiplats because own port system only though. Every other systems owners are laughing at you actually.

>s-skyrim is only more popular because mods!
And?

>>384130645
>i-it's more popular that means it's better!

>>384130572
>start shitposting about consoles
>got response
>baaw I'm the victim

Cure your inferiority complex somewhere else.

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this chick i dated had witcher 3 on ps4. holy fuck is it unplayable to me on console. I legit feel bad for any human that put 200 hours into that game on console.

>>384130625
lol you are so fucking mad. keep giving me you's my man.

>mfw chris the roomie has a ps4
>mfw live with him since last august
>mfw he has never ever turned the ps4 on once
>mfw I have twice just to play madden

top fucking kek. enjoy your console m8. I bet you have a first iteration of the ps4 or xboner too. even more sad

>>384130727
That was never the debate, though.

>>384130367
Because it doesn't use a garbage engine like gamebyro

>>384130746
I'm actually not the person you were shitposting with. You'll notice you got multiple replies, some within a time frame of less than a minute apart.

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Why do people put "gameplay" on a pedestal?
Its just how you interact with the game world, its just a means to an end. What matters is the reward you get for playing.
The inputs just needs to not get in the way of enjoying a game.
Pic related had good gameplay but it doesnt carry the game.

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>>384130774
>being so mad that project reality

PC cucks don't have friends. They live in basement wearing stinking diapers. People don't even want to associate with them. You can't fool anyone.

>>384130645
More replay value?

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>>384130878
>Why do people put "gameplay" on a pedestal?
Because gameplay is the defining aspect of what makes a video game a video game. Are you a redditor or just baiting?

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>>384130794
That doesn't change the fact that TW3's modding tools were barebones and not what was promised. Even TW2 had better tools.

>>384130862
you are defending him so you are the same retard actually. Stop being mad.

>>384131029
I'm still failing to see how all this changes the fact that Skyrim is more popular.

And while we're at it, I fail to see why the fact that Skyrim is more popular is worth crying over, since popularity doesn't determine quality.

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>>384130510
>I would be if I was PC pleb
I have plenty of consoles and I don't normall take a side in this retarded ass debate but 99% of the time a game is available on PC and console it's like 10x better looking and more playable.

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>>384130997
>posts weeb pic
>i just fucked a grill yesterday and jizzed all over her belly
>creighton gave me tons of free furniture this week bc he moved

lol last you for you.

>>384131053
> defining aspect of what makes a video game a video game
Defined by you?
Why do I care about your personal definitions for things? Whats your authority?

>>384131087
But I'm not defending anyone, I was solely attacking you for projecting. If the concept that more than one person may not be on your side is really that upsetting to you, maybe you should go back to Neogaf where everyone agrees with you and those who don't get purged.

>le combat is only gameplay

by that logic, all old RPG like KOTOR, Planescape are all shit.

>>384131196
>your hand
>girl

>>384131195
>it's like 10 better looking and more playable

Retardation of PC plebs is always entertaining.

>>384131257
Okay, definitely bait.

>>384131062
It probably would be too complicated to release extensive modding tools for a game like TW3. Most people would have no clue about how to use them and all the effort would be wasted, so they only gave us what we need to make nude mods.

>>384122074
>FF 15
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA faggot

>>384131062
i like how his bangs are a 1:1 of his mustache

>>384131354
nice argument ender
thanks for handing the win to me.

>>384131267
>projecting

Projecting what? PC apologists like you are most retarded and insecure fanbase here, always starting shitposting. Stop being mad because someone responded to your autism instead ignoring like most people.

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>that one shit poster

lol not getting any more yous.

>witcher comes out in may of 2015
>currently still buttblasting kids in July 2017

tippy top kek

>>384124987
the fact that you say exploring is worth it is enough to completely disregard your opinion on anything and everything you will ever say. witcher 3 has about the worst implementation of itemization and exploration rewards there are in any rpg ever. everything you find is some copy pasted sword that looks slightly different but is worse than what you already have.

>>384131140
I tought you were supporting the "since more people are playing skyrim on steam right now, the game is better" argument that some anon made before.

Idc what game is the most popular, but the only reason the pc skyrim community is still active is because of mods.

>>384131332
I literally own TW3 for PS4 and PC, it's infinitely more playa me on PC.

>>384131816
No, it's not. Also english.

>>384131873
Problem with cyberpunk is that CDPR really doesnt have to do much to suprass their competition.
SE and Bethesda threw in the towel years before it even comes out.

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>>384130878

>Amalur
>Good Gameplay

>>384119449
>five minutes of start up frames and input lag
try playing on PC next time

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>>384131928

Jesus you will say anything for a you. enjoy your 30 fps cap, shit loading times, and low settings for everything, lol also give you a you you fucking queer

>>384132028
Guess you never played it.

>>384131928
Playable*, which unless your retarded you should have been able to figure out

>>384132089
Witcher 3 don't run at low settings on consoles. Not every PC run it at 60fps. 60fps don't make Witcher "infinitely more playa me on PC". Every one of your point is wrong and retarded as expect from mentally challenged PC fanboy.

>>384130878
Because video games are an interactive medium where gameplay (should) be a reward in and of itself. If you don't care about the gameplay and just want to get to the cutscene at the end then go watch a movie instead. That way you'll get your "reward" and people who care about playing their video games get theirs and won't have to shift through hundreds of cinematic experiences.
>Pic related had good gameplay
It was decent at best. It struggled from terrible balance, some grind, lack of enemy variety and pacing due to the largely empty world.

>>384131928
>No, it's not.
Clearly you lack the resources to have played it on a decent computer

>>384132304
>playa me
>figure it out

Don't speak autism sorry. You were probably so asshurt that had problem with proper typing.

>>384125520
>Picks sword up off the ground.
>Expected excalibur but got rusty pleb sword dropped by plebbians.

I dont know what you expected.

>>384119158

Disagree, the gameplay is the most fun i´ve had with an RPG since Dragon´s Dogma.

>>384122074

Fuck you. Traditional D&D is far better than muh car pushing fantasy XV.

>>384119449

Quest on Witcher are totally not repetitive. I never felt i was on an errand except with the contracts and those are not missleading at all. It´s kill a monster, get money plus a monster head with nice buffs.

Some secondary quest have narrations and twists that put games of the level of Dragon Age to shame.

AND exploration is pretty rewarding. More than crafting even at some times. I´ve found pretty good gear around.

>>384132437
You have to post citation on that anon. Last time I checked Witcher 3 scores were similar for consoles and PC.

>>384132306
>Witcher 3 don't run

>complains about other people's English
>uses don't instead of doesn't
lel

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>>384132306
>Witcher 3 don't run at low settings on consoles

Might as well be since it looks like complete shite.

Also no excuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fUGFmmikn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRuvMDxBGEw

>>384132310
>gameplay (should) be a reward in and of itself.
What the fuck? Name a game that does that. A game that doesnt give the player a carrot to keep playing, no "ding" or a reward.

> good
White people everywhere.

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>>384132682

>>384132530
I have eyes. A good PC and PS4 are not even comparable visually. You don't realize how badly the camera is slowing down on the PS4 until you see it work properly. The coties have more NPCs, the draw distance is farther, the grass is denser, the effects are better. Youre delusional of you think a PS4 can keep up.

And the load times for everything (menus, etc) are about 4x as fast.

>>384132658
>Might as well be since it looks like complete shite.

So does PC version because looks very similar which even your video shows. You realize you just shoot at your own foot like always?

>>384133030
>very similiar
>draw distance is shite
>low quality grass and trees
>low quality shadows
>low res everything
>30fps

>>384132975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piWjUUKU0s

If this is that big difference that I can only laugh at you. Also how this make game "10 times better playable" again?

Very deep lore , great story , even some side quests have a story of a full game

>>384133190
>how is a stable framerate better than a shitty unstable framerate

>>384133119
>projecting stuff
>cherrypicking only some PC's
>graphics make game more playable

>>384133276
>not answering question
>he probably play it at 20fps on his shitty rig

>>384119158
Is this like /v/'s memeing about MGSV, or is the gameplay actually bad? I was looking into picking this up.

>>384133285
>projecting
>only some PCs

Watch the second video. Zero excuses.

>>384133401
I did. I'm supposed to be impressed by something?

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>>384119449
You just could have said that you never played the game and don't like it because it's popular.

Ahh I remember my teenage years

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>>384133382
It's trash.

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>>384133592
Why would you say you need to pay 800 dollars to run better than consoles and just ignore it when proven wrong?

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>>384133373
>he probably play it at 20fps on his shitty rig
Poorfags projecting and doing mental gymnastics to convince themselves their console pleb version of the game looks as good despite the obective fact this is wrong is really pathetic desu.

>>384119158
You need to look at it as a piece of entertainment and not necessarily as a game.

You will find that nobody is really praising or talking about the gameplay, because it's trivial.
On the other hand, there are tons of people discussing the characters and plot etc.

The only problem about it is people, journalists and the devs being dishonest about it and not calling it a visual novel with rpg elements from the beginning.

>>384133790
But I never said this. You said it's 10 times more playable on PC and consoles have low settings and you got proven wrong. Everytime some PC autist is losing argument he have to resort to strawman.

>>384133821
PC plebs project and doing mental gymnastics about "10 times better playable games" meanwhile they play at 20-30fps with low settings posting pictures and video taken from Internet.

>>384134006
Where you prove anyone wrong? You're just ignoring the shitty low textures and choppy framerates.

Goalposts next

>>384132087
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT FUCKING PLATFORM YOUR USING IF THE ANIMATIONS TAKE FOREVER AND YOU CANNOT CANCEL THEM
this game's combat is a fucking shit. use another talking point to promote the game, because the combat just doesn't feel good in any way.

>>384134146
>meanwhile they play at 20-30fps with low settings
Not everyone is poor like you bud

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>>384134146
>meanwhile they play at 20-30fps with low settings

So they bought a console?

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Witcher 3 is a game of almost zero substance. Its whole game design is about doing everything and doing everything mediocre. You can choose dialouge choices? Most of the time it boils down to humble Geralt or sarcastic Geralt. You can ride a horse in an open-world? Horse riding controls like shit and the world doesn't feel rewarding enough to roam around in, like say Red Dead Redemption. Not to mention that exploration just boils down to using Witcher sense for extreme handholding because CDPR can't risk anyone not winning instantly in their games.

You can partake in combat? Said combat is not only awfully balanced, the sense of impact and control is completely gone because CDPR are hacks who think fancy animations should take priority over actual videogame mechanics.

You can customize and shit like an RPG? Customization and freedom is barely more than that of an average action game with skill unlocks. It's not even an RPG, it's just a bad action game.

You play it for the story? The story is rushed and the climax is shit and your choices have little consequences in the grand scheme of things. You might aswell just have watched it on Youtube.

Witcher 3 does a lot of things. Nobody can deny this. Yet nobody can claim it excels in any of those areas. It's a soulless carefully focus-tested game made to reflect the state of the industry. There is no artistic talent behind CDPR's game design. It was cynical and solely made to reflect that of other western AAAs. That's it. That's the truth of Witcher 3.

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>>384134302
>So they bought a console?

>>384125972
Yeah, that's exactly why devs attempted to fix horrible input lag with an alternative movement patch, but you know better than them, right? Fucking witcherdrones.

>>384134301
>>384134302
No, they bought PC. Last line of defense is muh superior port but in reality they play them with worse graphics and framerate.

>>384134196
>shitty
>low

That's not argument, also buzzword. If you claim Witcher 3 runs at low settings on consoles you have to post some citation.

>Where you prove anyone wrong?

Where you claimed it's 10 times more playable on PC? How many times person have to repeat the same so oafs could understand? I said this like 3 times?

>>384135760
>Last line of defense is muh superior port but in reality they play them with worse graphics and framerate.
If I own both why the fuck would I give myself an inferior experience? I can literally load them both at the same time and switch the ports on my TV back and forth to see which one is better. There is a reason I play it on PC.

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>>384134458
>That's it. That's the truth of Witcher 3.
>I-its the truth because I say so!

>>384135980
>anecdotal evidence

That's not argument.

You only have cheap prebuilt with pirated Witcher 3 and can barely even launch it.

See? I can do this too.

>>384134458
>I haven't played the game, but let me tel you why its shit!
also,
>Horse riding controls like shit and the world doesn't feel rewarding enough to roam around in, like say Red Dead Redemption
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>>384136146
The problem is that objective reality doesn't jive with your anecdotes on any account.

>>384136517
>my post and my blog on anonymous board is objective reality and actual argument

I think my sides are moving on their own. Nice justification though.

>>384134302
Witcher 3 don't run at low settings on consoles, only on PC.

>>384131509
>expansion wins RPG of the year

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>>384135760
I know you're jus trying to bait but if a 350 dollars PC can run it better than a PS4, why would you even keep trying to argue?

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>>384136623
My computer could be an absolute piece of dogshit and it wouldn't change the objective FACT that a good PC can run the witcher 3 on ultra with 60 FPS while a console can't consistently even hold 30 on medium settings.

>>384124386
graphics

>>384137047
No shit! 350$ hardware is stronger than 200$? How did you figure it out?
>>384137087
So conclusion: you don't play Witcher 3 at 60fps. You are PC cuck who don't play multiplats better than consoles.

>>384137392
>conclusion: I have a PC and a PS4. I only use my PS4 for Bloodborne and playing with my console friends bow that I live on another state.

>>384137736
Nope, I also play multiplats

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>>384137392
>PS4 Release Price: $349

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>>384138264
>PS4 still have release price

>>384137392
$3000 hardware > $350 hardware

>>384138648
Even at 250 dollars, the 350 dollars PC now will cost pretty much the same price as the current PS4 price.

>>384137047
>I know you're jus trying to bait but if a 350 dollars PC can run it better than a PS4

Most funny thing is that those prices were impossible in 2015, at least new ones. GTX760 alone costed as much as whole price of this system. But I guess those videos serve as bait and marketing for technologically retarded PC fanboys.

>>384139236
Post 250$ PC outperforming PS4 without resorting to used parts like other desperate idiot. I need a good laugh.

>>384139342
*760 + 750ti