What went wrong? It's not because of the leak, this stuff

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Oh, valve

It looks stupid and a waste of the players time. I would have cut it too. Thought it was a shitty mod at first.

>>384106945
fuck, i never was interested in half life before today, i saw a thread earlier about that synergy co-op mod and that looks fun as hell.

>>384107641
Everything looks stupid when it's in development.

>>384106945
The old smg looks so much better, animation/gunplay wise.

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>>384107753

it looks like a real chore to fight

especially if it's in the beginning and you're still walking around with handguns and the submachine gun, taking potshots at it

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>>384107904
Shut the fuck up and let me pretend that everything that was cut from my favorite game was better than what we got. Have you never been in a hl2 beta thread?

>>384107176
>>384106945
looks really annoying to fight
doesnt provide the player with any feedback

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>>384108172
You asked "What went wrong" and he answered you fucking idiot

>>384108172
heh, alright carry on anon

>>384108561
rude

>>384108172
Funny, it really looks like dishonored. Considering it's the same guy behind the art style it makes sense ofc but I guess it means he had more freedom at Arkane Studio than at Valve.

They couldn't get the AI right and it looked dumb.

>>384110668
>Considering it's the same guy behind the art style it makes sense ofc but I guess it means he had more freedom at Arkane Studio than at Valve.
Actually, he had just as much freedom. It was Antonov who eventually proposed the shift in tone from grey-sky super-industrial "everything is already fucked" to more bright, east-europe-inspired settings: the story goes that that shift of tone came after visited his family in his home country and ended up touring East Europe with his brother for a while. Cities like Sofia and Prague and the devastated east-european post-socialist countryside fascinated him and that eventually inspired him to propose the shift in art direction.
He further argued that it also makes more sense for the player to try and save a dying world, rather than an already dead one.

To be honest, the shift in tone seems like the very best thing that happened to the series. Shit like >>384108172 looks AWFUL. A lot of good ideas in the old HL2 beta, but it sure as fuck looked a lot worse from art-direction perspective.

As for reason to cut hydra:
I've heard it was a buggy bitch that ended up being more frustrating and fun.

>>384111121
Very interesting, thanks!

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>>384111121
>Shit like that looks AWFUL
Because it's one of the earliest versions of this map.
I agree that final art-style is cooler because it's different. It's not edgy with it's dark weather and clouds. But I disagree in calling old art-stile awful. It's just as amazing and I wish we could have both of them in two different theoretical games. One realistic and one dreamlike.

>>384106945
What mod?

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>>384111589
LeakNet on top of pre-release version megapatch 4 (but it works great with megapatch 3, too) on top of original anon-hl2. The map is d3_under from wc-mappack

I wish later chapters would actually look like a war instead of just a bunch of people running around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7woRcoSiqSk

Who here never bothered getting out of Nova Prospekt?

>>384112247
Worst chapter, but it gets better.

>>384111681
Aye, thanks. Will check it out later.

>>384106945
>>384107176
>>384107604
>>384108172
>>384112095

Where the fuck is this from? Did something get leaked?

>>384113746
Yes back in the day a lot of half life 2 beta files got leaked.

>>384113746
Yes, 14 years ago.

>>384113829
>>384113914

I know screens and concept art got released, didn't know gameplay was released. Is this new or just old video's put into webm form. Is it playable?

>>384113934
It's playable but you have to jump though some fucking hoops to get it to run. You have to keep in mind you need to run it on the 14 year old source engine

>>384113934
>didn't know gameplay was released.
A lot of the unfinished code did get released, but not exactly in a playable form. People had taken the bits and pieces of code that was leaked and kinda stitched it together into playable segments. Most of it isn't complete, or fun - some of it is just half-finished levels. Other contains some degree of actual playable segments with bits of scripted evens even left in. It's by no means actually resembling a game though.

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>>384113934
Dude, in 2003 a hacker stole shit ton of files, and a working half life 2 engine build, decompiled source files included. Problem is that the engine was from 2003 but the most interesting shit was from 2000-2002 (when the old storyline was being developed) so it's all incompatible. That's why we have a relatively big community that fixes shit.

Picrelated is how one of the early levels looks if you compile it as-is.

Now look at the 7th minute of this video for what autism and time can do. This is the exact same map and engine build.
https://youtu.be/aTCNTCKMiYY?t=420

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>>384113934
>>384114325
Oh and 1300 maps. Most of them are test maps and different versions of same map, but they have a ton of very interesting stuff, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tqeREb9Wxg

>>384106945
>>384107176
Valve concluded that it looked really cool when you watched it fight other enemies but was crap when it was attacking the player. They tried a few variations of it to get it to be interesting but decided to just scrap it. They explain all of this in the developers commentary.

>>384114024
>>384114285
>>384114325
>>384114490

Thanks, this stuff is really interesting. I've been in Half Life 2 beta threads before but people have only ever posted screenshots and concept art. I had no idea video's and playable hacked together builds existed. This is really neat. It's a shame Valve just scrapped all of this and didn't even attempt to reuse the assets at least.

>>384114552

Should have stuck one in the background somewhere as a bonus and had it fight a few combine or headcraps or something. So much gone to waste. Why not have it be in a secret area.

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>>384116670
They do reuse it. Wasteland was reused in EP2 (and cut again, lol) picrelated is a leaked ep2 map. Borealis was reused. Antarctica and it's base was reused. That concept of a deep chasm and trains passing on bridges through it was in EP1 where dog throws you into the citadel. Caves were reused in EP2 (they were originally to be featured under ravenholm as a chapter. That's why it seems strange that you entered at night and exited when it's already daylight a short time after. Grubs in ep2 were in hl2 beta, etc. Valve said that concepts never really die, just wait their turn.

This recent Half-life 2 hate on this board is quite ridiculous and pathetic

>>384117060
I haven't seen a negative hl2 commend in this thread yet

>>384117060
>This recent Half-life 2 hate on this board is quite ridiculous and pathetic
RECENT?!
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!
This might be the most civilized thread about HL2 we had since 2007! Half-life 2 has been utterly despised around here since Reddit became an internet phenomenon.

>leaked beta from 2003 is still being updated regularly
wew that's some dedication

>>384114490
ah shit I remember trying to pull apart alot of that Airex stuff back in the day, it was such a cluster fuck though

That whole chapter satisfies my industrial porn fetish like nothing else though.

>>384106945
Probably the hardware demand was too high for the average pc in 2003\2004 and things had to be scaled back.

>>384112095

I think it's for the best this part was cut, it would have been good at the time, but this has just aged terrible. Also retarded characters.

>charging a sniper

>>384117692
This map in particular is just a test level, not meant for the game. Also he was going for it because he wanted to save his friend.

>>384117683
You know, for an industrial complex in which the workers were rebelling, didn't seem to be much fighting going on

Also for Nova Prospekt, not a whole lot of prisoners in that prison.

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>>384117818
>not a whole lot of prisoners in that prison.
there was a whole building full of prisoner pods

>>384117994
I meant in the prison proper

>>384118275
That's the case with a lot of combine buildings. Prison, nexus... Both just empty buildings with absolutely nothing of value. Nova prospekt has one room where they torture a vortigaunt and the whole CP NEXUS has two ball generators and a strange tripwire room. Seems like they didn't have the time to furnish those properly.

In general there is a severe lack of world building exposure. Like those canal bases you fight in. One is an APC garage, that's cool, but every other is just some old industrial building with nothing of value. I wish there were citizen workers who would run and hide from the fighting.

>>384117279
>>384117683
i kinda miss the low-poly high-res-texture artstyle

>>384106945
hl2 was annoying as fuck without them

Most of the beta maps would make really good HL2:DM maps.

>>384107176
Look at this from a designer standpoint and ask:

"What does this add to the game?"

The obvious answer is: not much.

It was cut for a reason and I agree with their decision.