yfw kh3 gets released and is flooded by bad reviews because fuckwad

Wouldn't that be the exact reason it gets good reviews at all? It was Final Fantasy XIII before Final Fantasy XIII.

>>384102231
the kh lore is a cluster fuck that requires you to have knowledge of every game.

About time KH gets called out for its shit plot.

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>>384102072

The fact that you have to play a bunch of stupid handheld games to get the story is what really should be getting you angry. Kingdom hearts 1 + 2 should be the only thing required.

>>384103276
I agree with this.

I can't be damned to play so many spin off games when there are dozens of other games I want to play from different series and genres. I loves the first two games way back when they were hot. tried two different KH hand held games and they absolutely did not stick.

I will totally give the third game shit if I absolutely have no idea what's happening because I didn't play the shitty side games. they should have been putting all of that work into releasing the third game earlier.

Good. No series should have a naming scheme as retarded as this one.
Now if you excuse me I'll go back to playing Super Mario Bros 3.14159265359.

>>384102072
to be fair, Square Enix shouldn't made us try and get all the console and handhelds just to follow the story. If they were spin offs, it wouldn't matter because you wouldn't missed much since both main games are on the same console

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>>384102072
Why do you care if the game gets bad reviews, especially by people who didn't even bother to play the whole series?
I would worry about it getting bad reviews for the game being bad, but then again most sites they gave BBS good scores and the title of best KH yet, so I don't think it will get bad reviews since I don't see it dipping under BBS standards

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But 1 and 2 are the only other good ones. And it makes sense too. You shouldn't have to bother with all the other bullshit. You've got Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts 2, and now Kingdom Hearts 3. Fuck your 2.6 and a half multiplied by 82.

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>>384103732
>all the console and handhelds
everything you need is on ps4 already

>>384103732
All games are on PS4. Literally no excuse.

>>384103637
>Mario
You could've just used one of the real names and I wouldn't have understood which one you were talking about because their names are just as retarded lol

>>384103276
>the fact that you have to play the series to get the story
Why is this a problem

>>384104394
>>384104397
well now is no excuse which is great but they should've kept making them on the same console long ago

It'll get bad reviews cause it's a fucking Musou game now.

>>384102072
It's very well established that pretty much all the games are essential to understanding KH at this point.

The story never really mattered though so I don't see any reason for complaints.
It's the most basic kind of children's take there is, a boy on an adventure fighting bad guys, light vs dark.
You don't really need the specifics to "get" KH, that stuff is for lorefags.
The game was literally pitched in an elevator after all, the story is just an excuse for Disney and FF characters to interact with Nomura's OC.

>>384102479
This. If KHIII had a perfect time to come out, it was 10 years and several games ago.

>>384104394
>3D
>in 1.5 + 2.5
no

>>384103276
T H I S.

FOURTH POST, BEST POST.

>>384104535
>now
>implying musou games aren't fun

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>Anything Disney related
>Bad reviews

It could legit be terrible. But they'll buy out any reviewers. Like what they did with TFA

>>384104252
Even KHII had that tie in to the handheld game. I remember the shitfit people threw wondering who Roxas was and who Namine was. I was one of them.

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>>384104492

The problem is unnecessarily expanding the series across multiple handhelds. It does not matter anymore though since everything is now on the PS4. It was a stupid move that made me stop caring about kingdom hearts.

>>384104596
The story and gameplay of KHIII at minimum require Birth by Sleep and Dream Drop Distance to still have happened.

Also
>10 years ago
>KHII releases in 2005
>KHIII releases, somehow, only two years later
Not how any of this works

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>First game a vast majority of players have ever played
>Has the courtesy to summarize the plot points of the first two games to get you up to speed quickly
>Even has an optional pre-game briefing of the game's conflict
This was in 1998. The KH series has no fucking excuse.

>>384104789
>KH1 released in 2002
>KH2 released in 2005
2 years is only slightly short. KH3 should have come out in 2008.

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>>384102072
I don't even care if the reviews are shit I just want to get an ending to the story. And I want to see if Xion gets saved. I didn't really like 358 at all gameplay wise, but the story kind of fucked me up when I played it like 8 years ago. That's one of the worst fates I think any vidya character has had to suffer.

>>384104901
There's like 10 KH games and they do include summaries of previous titles which most people ignore or complain are not enough

Did MGSV do a good job on filling you in on previous instalments?

>>384105014
>which most people ignore or complain are not enough
Perhaps that says something about the quality of Kingdom Hearts' story, or rather the lack thereof.

>Still playing children's games in 2017

>>384105160
>Still NOT playing children's games in 2017

>>384104789
>Dream Drop Distance
Not really needed to understand the story.

BBS isn't necessary either, all the important parts of that game can be implied info.
All you would need to know is that there were keyblade wielders before Sora & friends and one is apart of sora and the other two are trapped

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>>384103276
GEE WIZ IF ONLY ALL THE GAMES WERE RE-RELEASED IN HD FOR A SINGLE CONSOLE ALLOWING YOU TO FOLLOW THE STORY.

>>384105160
>games
>not being for children

>>384104981
>Ending to the story
>He still hasn't heard that this is only the ending to the Xehanort saga
>He hasn't heard the story continues with Sora after it

>>384104979
re:coded came out in 2008
365 came out in 2009
bbs came out in 2010
ddd in 2012

Now you can argue coded isnt important but 365 bbs and ddd are all extremely plot relevant
I imagine 3 would have a closer eta if they didnt spend time porting the series to ps3 and 4

>>384105250
This one is SPECIFICALLY targeted at children.

>>384105014
>Did MGSV do a good job on filling you in on previous instalments?

No, because it is a numbered installment that excpects you played the previous numbered installments. It doesn't give a shit if you played Metal Gear Ac!d, Metal Gear Rising or any of the spinoffs. Hell, you could go into it only playing Metal Gear Solid 3 and still do fine.

>>384103276
Man, too bad Squeenix didn't make a way for me to play all the games on one console or anything....
Oh wait

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>>384105215
AND IF ONLY SAID THEORETICAL GAME COMPILATION COMPRESSED THE UNNECESSARY TITLES SO YOU DON'T ACTUALLY NEED TO PLAY THEM AND CAN JUST WATCH THE CUTSCENES

>>384104979
Yes anon, they would be able to develop and release Kingdom Hearts III only two years after KHII.

I bet it would have been on PS3 as well? So the team would OBVIOUSLY learn how to competently code for CELL within that same two years, and everything would work flawlessly and the game would be perfect and look great.

In two years.
On brand new hardware.
In a brand new engine.
With brand new architecture.

Never mind the fact that in 2007, Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix was released, so they would have done it with a small team as well!
Easy!

Birth by Sleep is critical to KHIII's story, and was teased in KHII and FM's secret endings.
They could probably fit in that during those two years as well, even though BbS's dev cycle was five years long taking it to a 2010 release.

>>384104119
Because reviewers literally drive the god damn game industry these days, it's why we were stuck in FPS hell for 7 years and why the open world meme is a thing and why "CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE" is a fucking plague

>>384104618
what is 2.8, retard?

>>384105364
AND IF ONLY YOU WENT ON A VIDEO SHARING WEBSITE THAT MAY PROVIDE YOU WITH SAID CUTSCENES INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING ABOUT HAVING TO PLAY A VIDEO-GAME ON A VIDEO-GAME IMAGEBOARD OF SORTS.

>>384105337
>because it is a numbered installment that excpects you played the previous numbered installments
really makes you think

>>384105475
it's own separate packaged collection released on the Playstation 4 lol

>>384103276
Well, even 2 needed CoM. Kingdom hearts was fucked from the start.

>>384105312
So are 90% of the titles in the medium.
Also if anything KH is going for a broad audience.
Getting new kids and those who grew up watching films like you story.

>>384105182
>BbS
>DDD
>not necessary

KHIII literally would not be happening without those games.
Terra, Aqua and Ventus are an important part of the story and will return in KHIII as major characters.
The True Organization introduced in DDD was a major turn in the story and the entire premise of KHIII's antagonist.

Stuffing all of this into just one game would be incredibly sloppy at best.

>>384105337
kingdom hearts has no spin offs
a sub title just is there to rectify it isnt a solely sora story

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>there are actually people on /v/ right now who will defend Kingdom Hearts' fuckload of unnecessary, awful sequels that turned it's story into a complete clusterfuck and legitimately think it's reasonable to expect people to even touch them

>>384105526
Key word:
>NUMBERED

>>384105606
Not a single person is forcing you to play the games.

>>384105374
Square used to be able to do it, ffx came out a year after ffix (which was a year after ffviii) and they were on different consoles.

>>384105281
Chain of Memories came out in 2004. There's no excuse.

>>384105374
>they would be able to develop and release Kingdom Hearts III only two years after KHII.
They were able to develop KH2 in 3 years. They could develop KH3 in 3 years as well.

>So the team would OBVIOUSLY learn how to competently code for CELL within that same two years, and everything would work flawlessly and the game would be perfect and look great.
Just like how the team had to learn how to code for the PS2.

>Never mind the fact that in 2007, Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix was released, so they would have done it with a small team as well!
See above. Chain of Memories exists and came out a year prior to 2.

>Birth by Sleep is critical to KHIII's story, and was teased in KHII and FM's secret endings.
BBS could have been incorporated into KH3.

There's no excuse, Nomura is just a hack writer.

>>384105274
Won't matter for me. I'm done with it after 3. I felt really burned out on the series by the time DDD came out, so I'm just going to play this one for at least some small manner of closure on it. I just hope Nomura isn't a giant nigger and decides to sequel bait by leaving out some important things like leaving Aqua in the dark world.

>>384105526
>it's own separate packaged collection released on the Playstation 4 lol

and how does that conflict with his statement of:
>everything you need is on ps4 already


you literal cocksucking, crossed eyed, shit for brains, retard

>>384105374
>KH2FM+ required the entire dev team working on it

And your point about the PS3 is retarded because instead of having to learn how to program the game for the PS3, they've had to learn how to do it for the PS4, though the latter is an easier platform for developers.
>BbS is required for the story
Like another anon said, there really isn't that much in Birth by Sleep that is absolutely required knowledge.
But keep on defending an incompetent dev team, I'm sure Nomura will include you in the Final Mix of Kingdom Hearts III

>>384105337
Peace Walker wasn't a numbered title and Ground Zeroes is all about characters who were introduced in PW.

>>384105636
Nobody's forcing you not to like KH3 when it gets universally panned because it requires extensive knowledge of the spin-offs nobody played.

>>384105704
>post dumb inaccurate image
>that's a dumb image
>n-no it's not fuck you
this is you

>>384105741
>"Waaaah why can't I understand the story without actually playing the rest of the games that build up said story waaaaah."
Keep crying

>>384105549
Kingdom Hearts II didn't require CoM to understand it, everything was explained in KHII.

>>384105735
You could play it without it. It would get a little confusing sometimes but it doesn't rely on the games.

Hell, I skipped chain of memories and played 2 fine but the only game post 2 I played in KH is 375/2 days or something like that.

>>384105509
Huh, really activated my almonds. It's almost like the people that make the """arugment"""" of MUH MULTIPLE HARDWARE are just full of shit, or poor, or both.

>>384103276
>>384103526
So the other day I decided to pick up the last book of game of thrones and read it. I only read the first and second, but I figure that should be all the info I need right?
Oh wait its not? Thats not how a series works at all? Too understand it I actually need read them?
Fuck that noise, its thebooks that are wrong, not me.

>>384105682
>Just like how the team had to learn how to code for the PS2.
I don't think you grasp how different the PS3 is to the PS2 compared to the difference between PS2 and PS1.

>Chain of Memories exists
And was developed by Jupiter, a third-party development studio. Not the KHII team.

>BBS could have been incorporated into KH3
Not really, no.
Unless you want some kind of montage text dump explaining the events of BbS and DDD, or something similarly retarded.

Not that it matters, because it clearly was not ever the plan to do so.

>>384105721
>though the latter is an easier platform for developers.
Yeah. It is easier.

>an incompetent dev team
Did you see that trailer? Looks like they know what they're doing to me.

>>384105759
>doesnt actually comprehend the things he reads
>gets called out on it
>defends by claiming the same thing he is arguing against

You can experience every game on ps4
you say no 3D is not in 1.5 and 2.5
I tell you its on 2.8
which you say is on ps4

were you literally dropped on your head when your mother tossed you aside to suck cocks for her crack money, you little fetal alchohal syndrome meth baby?

>>384102072
Anyone who is sane only played 1 and 2. Fuck Nomura and shit shitty fanfiction side games that ruined the franchise

>>384105864
>the only game post 2 I played in KH is 375/2 days
My condolences.

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>>384105440
>Because reviewers literally drive the god damn game industry these days
You give reviewers way too much credit, they don't affect nearly as much as you think, especially for an established series that already has a huge, rabid and stupid fanbase such as KH

>it's why we were stuck in FPS hell for 7 years
The actual reason for why we are stuck with FPS hell for so long might surprise you, it was because those games appeal to even the dumbest normies and sell like hotcakes.
Do you seriously think that all those normies that only know and play CoD, the yearly installment of Fifa and maybe Grand Theft Auto actually read reviews for them?

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Anyone else not really liking the look of this weapon or form system that looks really similar to BBS? I mean they look cool and flashy, but making them the entire focus of combat feels like a bad idea to me imo.

>>384104783
>It does not matter anymore though since everything is now on the PS4.
Sure it does.
The side games are worthless trash that are not really fun to play.

>>384106176
I think its exactly like the style system from BBS except instead of themed normal attacks with different modifiers they change your weapon

>>384104789
>The story and gameplay of KHIII at minimum require Birth by Sleep and Dream Drop Distance to still have happened.
No they didn't
Birth By Sleep was a mistake
It's literally the Sonic Adventure of Kingdom Hearts

>>384106210
>side games
stop this mem

>>384106142
I am taking specific issue with the image you posted. It is inaccurate and misleading. I do not care about the accompanying text as it does not clear up the misleading information it brings. Stop using it. That is all.

KH is popular and is one of the "childhood favorites" games which means it could be hot dogshit but review sites will still give it a 9.

>>384105581
I meant that they don't need entire games to get their part of the story across.
The important stuff can easily be summarized or alluded to.
Those games are like the crisis core to KH III they're alright if you seek expansion but they can be summarized.

>>384106073
>Did you see that trailer? Looks like they know what they're doing to me.
I guess the Star Citizen devs aren't incompetent either because the game looks amazing.

>>384102072
If my enjoyment of a game is dependent on me playing a bunch of handheld games that only serve to further complicate the already stupidly convoluted story in I, II, and their re-releases, then it's probably not worth my time to begin with.

>>384103276
This, KH3 should be a sequel to KH2. If I have to play a bunch bullshit just to understand the story of the third game, then the developers are doing something wrong.

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>>384106290
Nomura confirmed the handheld games are spinoffs. If you can read Japanese, you might have noticed the word he used in the pictured interview. It's "supinofu." "Spin-off." In English. He borrowed the English word "spin-off" to describe these games. The handheld Kingdom Hearts games are officially considered spin-offs.

>>384102072
KH2 still managed an 87 even though the first 6 hours make no sense unless you played a fucking GBA game.

>>384103276
What they should've done was include recaps/fill-in text back on the PS2 versions rather than wait until much later to make HD compilations

>>384106176
I don't mind the weapon forms, what I don't like is that forms were reduced to 0.2 command styles and that you can only access them one at a time depending on your keyblade, also they look just like the Riku command styles from DDD that no one ever used because they were awful

Can we please reboot Kingdom Hearts after KH3?
Just make it adopt the same formula as the Final Fantasy series where you have a different story/characters each game so we don't have to follow any retarded deviantart-tier Nomura fanfiction. Thank you.

>>384102072
That's a fair reason. There are risks in making your games less accessible and more esoteric. It's not going to appeal to an audience as large.

>>384106278
KHIII uses Shotlock, and the Keyblade transformations are an evolved Command Style system. That's BbS's influence.
KHIII also uses Flowmotion, and Attraction Flow, evolving systems introduced in DDD.

Otherwise, the only new addition drawing from KHII directly is Situation Commands.
So without BbS and DDD, KHIII would just be KHII: Second Verse Same as the First.

im a "hurr gamez jurrnalist" and already seeing people in slack talk about how they dont understand and hate the story of kh because they only want to play the numbered entries (1 2 and 3)

>>384106487
I played it and still got the general gist of it. It does a somewhat good job explaining some shit.

Still was confused why we didn't see all of Organisation XIII until I played COM

>>384105281
You're a fucking retard
He's saying all of those shitty side-games shouldn't have happened in favor of KH3

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>>384106278
Don't insult Sonic Adventure like that

>>384106319
then you could argue all the previous games could aswell

>>384105215
If you need to re-release a half-assed compilation to get your audience upto speed you fucked up in the first place

>>384105741
All of what we've seen if KHIII is pointing to a very straightforward story.
It's just Sora and everyone else preparing for their final battle.
Even if you haven't played every title not being able to follow one game is dumb.

KH is like Star wars, you can watch any trilogy or even movie out of context and understand the plot, but going out of your way to see everything is something you only do if you like its world and want to see more.
Of all the KH games only the mainlines are essential, everything else might as well not exist.

>>384106295
I didnt post it you fucking retard

How can you fail to comprehend
>everything you need is on ps4

which is 1.5+2.5, and 2.8
which the picture being 1/2 of two packages you need on ON PS4

How can you fail so apically at reading and understanding context of a post on 4chan you literal bull fluffing, floor cum licking, cucklord?

>>384106606
Please tell them not to review the game. They don't deserve it.

>>384105374
>Birth by Sleep is critical to KHIII's story
Birth by Shit should have never happened

>>384106615
except they were all decent at worst and for the most part integral to the plot
even if DDD kinda dropped the ball with time travel
There is no reason 3 should have had any special treatment over BBS(which is kh:0 effectively or 3D which if it was on consoles would have been KH 3)

>>384106470
and yet a big chunk of shit that happened in KH2 was the result of shit that happened in CoM. Hell, there were members of Organization XIII that don't appear because they were defeated in CoM.

>>384106747
How can you fail to comprehend my intention?

It does not matter who posted it. I am simply advising the poster of that image that unless they intend to clarify the error within each time they post it that it is safer to either edit it or not post it and find a better suited image.

>>384106762
Well it did and now it's critical to KHIII's story so you can cry about it all you want but nothing will change.

>>384106073
>I don't think you grasp how different the PS3 is to the PS2 compared to the difference between PS2 and PS1.
The amount of difference is irrelevant. Hardware architecture and specs varied wildly and devs were always forced to adapt to the new console architectures. The PS1 was wildly different from the SNES, yet Square made that jump just fine.

>And was developed by Jupiter, a third-party development studio. Not the KHII team.
It was directed by Nomura and is integral to KH2. Trying to handwave it away by saying "but it was made by Jupiter!" doesn't fly here.

>Not really, no.
Yes, it could have. Nomura could have pulled the same thing with KH3 as he did with KH2: an hours-long intro with different characters. Or hey, maybe KH3 could have been BBS and DDD as one game!

Nomura is a shit writer, a shit planner, and a shit developer.

You seriously don't think there will be crash-course lore and exposition shit near the start of the game?

>>384106762
and what gives you the authority to say that
BBS was pretty gud and everyone was hyped as fuck back in the mid 2000's about its teasers at the end of kh2

>>384106817
That has nothing to do with them officially being considered spin-offs. It's a game, the label is more about the gameplay than the story.

>>384106702
>Some bitch about various platforms
>Put all games on one console a good time before release so that those that were too poor to own more than 1 console could catch up
>"Y-Yeah well it's a re-release don't expect me to play now."
No one is forcing you to play the games. I see so many people here complain and bitch about this but ignore the fact that they now have all the games on one console solving this issue.

>>384106819
they dont need to edit things because retard like you cant fucking understand

>everything you need is on ps4

he didnt say 1.5+2.5 is all you need, I dont even know what you got that from, except your own aids ridden mind you literal peaking at other men as they are changing, drinking the hottub water at the YMCA, sissy frou frou boy.

>>384106873
>Hit New Game
>"Would you like to watch the Kingdom Hearts backstory movie before starting? (Approx. length 2hrs)

I can see it.

I only played KH2

>>384106290
They are side games. They're not main high budget console games.

>>384106630
The first 2 games focus on the main storyline surrounding sora, they are also dense with info (especially 2).
All the other games were side-stories that added little to the mainline in terms of content.

>>384102072
If it's as bad as 2 was with its inane retarded story, then I hope it gets reviewed poorly.

Sadly it'simpossible for it to be reviewed as such. Regardless of how many Donut Steels take character spots away from FF or Disney, how batshit stupid the story is, or how the game plays, it's going to he rated highly. It's a big name game with Disney and SE behind it. Reviewers will be too scared to rate it poorly even if it deserves it.

Only thing I'd like to see in it other than ditching the whole Organization shit is Zootopia and FFIX representation.

>>384106170
>normies
Back to >>>/r/eddit/ with you

>>384107062
its honestly better than being forced to play the 5 hour tutorial as roxas every time you want to replay KH2

>>384106921
>BBS was pretty gud
lel

What if they just retcon/ignore all that shit? Would it be that surprising?

>>384107165
>implying that bit isnt cozy and fun
also you can speed through it quicker than you think

>>384107165
Save files exist for a reason

>>384107165
>Not enjoying playing as best boy
>Not enjoying god-tier comfy Twilight Town music
>Not enjoying 2 keyblades

>>384107056
are you being ironic right now

>>384106841
>Trying to handwave it away by saying "but it was made by Jupiter!" doesn't fly here.
The whole argument was that KHIII could have released in 2007, two years after KHII.

CoM was released quickly before KHII, yes, but it was outsourced to a completely different team, with its development running concurrently with KHII's.

It's simply unreasonable to have believed KHIII for a 2007 release. It was never going to happen no matter what they did.

Trying to compile BbS and DDD into the same game as KHIII would make it even more impossible.

>>384106585
>Flowmotion
It's fucking shit and KH3 would be better without it
>Attraction Flow
Glorified Summon/Limit

In fact it's because of these 2 shitty games and Team Osaka that KH3 will probably end up being inferior to KH2FM

>>384107197
Ive enjoyed all of the kh games except the unchained which I havent played desu
365 probably had the worst of it but was still fun messing around with the different gears

>>384106802
They were shit. Nobody wanted to play garbage like 358/2, BBS, CoM, Coded etc.

BBShit should have never happened. It's a disgusting game which ruined the magic of the series. KH never needed a retarded deviantart-tier prequel.

>>384107205
It would be amusing seeing the hardcore fans lose their marbles but if Metal Gear taught us anything, retconning a bunch of shit is no bueno.

>>384107316
you seem to think that kh2 wasnt a fucking glorious fluke on squares part anon

>>384102323
Make the game start with a video synopsis of the events up until then, problem solved.

>>384107351
I also did but I wouldn't ever call it good

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>>384107316
>m-muh Osaka

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>>384107165
>he couldnt beat seltzer

>>384107423
me and all my friends did
and nothing in bbs is any more deviant art tier than anything kh2 has

>>384107423
>BBShit
Let me stop you right there, because you're wrong

>>384106487
>tfw if you played Com/Re:Com or heck even KH1 it makes the Prologue worse and uninteresting
My first KH game was KH2 and the prologue was intriguing as fuck back then, but when I went back and played it after KH1/CoM etc. it just felt like a bunch of shit because I understood everything and it no longer felt mysterious.

It won't get bad reviews for that. The story is hogwash whether you understand it or not.

>>384105215
>GEE WIZ IF ONLY ALL THE GAMES WERE RE-RELEASED IN HD FOR A SINGLE CONSOLE ALLOWING YOU TO FOLLOW THE STORY.

So? Crash did it, they released all 3games in HD, I see no reason why they cant do it

>>384106041
Your analogy is shitty as fuck, bro.
If the last GOT novel was in print form, and the first and second were 10 episodes of a television series, then a direct-to-video release, and then a 3-episode web series? Then you'd come close to how fucking retardedly spun around and stretched KH has gotten.

In one console gen, we had two spin-off games with important plot points released on competing handheld consoles, and another released on mobile phones - but only in Japan, at the time.

>>384107453
Fluke or not KH2FM remains the best game in the series

Also forgot
>Shotlock
It's fucking horrible and KH3 would be better off without it too

>>384107303
>The whole argument was that KHIII could have released in 2007, two years after KHII.
No, the argument was that KH3 could have released in 2008, and I said in my initial post that 2 years was short.

I quote:
>2 years is only slightly short. KH3 should have come out in 2008.

Before you try arguing, try learning to read.

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>UGH THERE'S A BAJILLION SEQUELS AND SPINOFFS, UGH

>KH1 (The first game)
>Chain of Memories (A teaser/link between KH1 and 2)
>KH2 (The second game)
>358/2 Days (A spinoff with Roxas)
>Birth by Sleep (A prequel to KH1
>Re:Coded (A game that was turned into a movie in the 1.5+2.5 Collection)
>Dream Drop Distance (A teaser/link between KH2 and KH3)
>0.2 (A tech demo for KH3 that takes place during the ending events of KH1)

>>384106616
Fuck off Gamecube kiddie

>>384102072

It'd be better if those games didn't happen since KH3 is essentially forced too have an overelaborate plot that is stupider than Eternal Sonata.

>>384107673
I dont disagree with you about either even if I do have a soft spot for shotlocks Im not going to argue they werent OP and requiring no thought beyond
>do I need huge damage and lota i-frames

>>384107654
Anon...

>>384106981
See >>384105741 and kill yourself

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>There are "people" who not just defend games like BBS but also call them good
>There are some in this very same thread
This thread suddenly got really spooky

>>384107712
Five is a lot desu especially when all you want to play is 3 and they keep pumping out more of those shit games. DDD was trash. Days was trash. BBS was okay.

>>384107518
Losing to setzer is the superior option, the medal is far more useful than the belt.

2FM>BBS=DDD>1>>>>The rest

>>384106921
>BBS was pretty gud
BBS was complete garbage. But you fanboys will eat anything up.

>>384107675
Even 2008 wasn't going to happen.

Facts:
Birth by Sleep had already started development in 2005
BbS was announced alongside Days and coded in 2007
The KHII team was split working on Versus XIII and KHIIFM until FM's release in 2007
Nomura said in an interview after KHII that he wanted to give Sora a "break" and focus on other characters for the next game(s)

The KHIII we're getting right now was impossible in 2008.
Strictly and definitively impossible.

>>384107865
>/v/ complains about KH having too many games
>But loves MGS

>>384107834
>Doesn't present a single counter-argument
>K-K-Kys
I can already tell you are seething. Embarrassing

Why do people rag on KH for having an over the top plot? A lot of games/series have over the top plots, but people don't rag on them for it, or at least not as much as KH in comparison if it does happen. And in the end, it's not like the games themselves don't have other things going for them.

>>384107862
it has better combat than 1 despite being a worse over all game
kh1's square rpg feel where they had all sorts of "fun" stuff that served little to no purpose like the letters in traverse town or the alchemic recipes in deep jungle were 10/10

>>384107518
>>384107879

or did you mean SEIFER?

>>384107879
>i just watched my first speed run and confused whats good for a casual playthrough and a strict speedrun route

>>384107934
>working on Versus XIII

they didn't do shit.

>>384107165
This >>384107231

And also, you can skip the cutscenes and it will go by a lot faster

>>384107865
>DDD worse than BbS
Someone doesn't understand game design.

Regardless, everyone's got a year to catch up.
All the games are on PS4.
That's a year to play like... 150 hours of game?
Let's assume you can only play two hours a day. That's 75 days. A little over two months. 2017 won't even be over yet.

There's really no excuse.

>>384102072
I don't blame them. I have no plans to play the spin off shit.

>>384107921
if you think bbs was complete garbage how many games do you actually play and enjoy
Just because its not as good as 2 doesnt mean shit
theres entire franchises without games as good as kh2fm but they are still quite enjoyable shit the entire KH franchise pales in comparison to DMC3 but so what?

Ah the KH fanbase, as pathetic as always.

>>384107526
You autismos are in the minority according to sales.

>>384107573
Just because you love fapping to Aqua doesn't mean BBS isn't a shit game

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>You have 13 bad guys, each one of them has a part of the main villain in them, some are other versions of the main villain or even his younger versions from the past
>you have 7 good guys
>bad guy wants to fight vs good guy to obtain his goal
>the good guys need to gather all the 7 people together

WOOOOOW SO FUCKING HARD

HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND ?!?!? WTF I HAVE TO PLAY 50000 GAMES TO EVEN KNOW WHATS GOING ON FUCKING NOMURA

All you are mentally damaged or what? Holy fuck i am talking with fucking retards

>>384108025
>its better to die to things slower than it is to kill things faster
>thinking this is better in a casual playthrough

especially if you are playing critical, that belt doesnt do shit, while the 1+ att from the medal actually helps you

>>384107712
>8 games
>only 2 of them are worth playing
Really activates my almonds

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>>384108286
They're not actually bad guys, they traveled back in time to make you a good guy and it wasn't really their fault.
Also your best friend was a pokemon all along.

>>384108286
And if you haven't played DDD you wouldn't know any of that.
And you call others retarded.

>>384108205
everyone had a ps2 so of fucking course one of the most popular titles on a console everyone owns got more sales than handhelds
ps2 had 3x the sales of the psp but kh2 only had 2x the sales and thats without mentioning everyone with half a brain pirated the fuck out of psp titles

>>384108358
>depending on how you want to navigate the world, your time in it can vary

this game is going to be short, isn't it. probably like seven worlds.

>>384108416
>He can't play one game that is one the same system that is KHIII on that is like 10 hours or just watch the cutscenes or just read the plot on the internet

??? Are you being legit stupid


>Oh wow i started with XIII Lightning Returns what the fuck is going on here shit game

>>384108416
Oh no you have to play one of the more recent games that serves as a tie-in between KH2 and KH3? SURELY YOU JEST!

>>384108143
BBS isn't even as good as 1
The gameplay is completely broken and not fun.
It's funny people accuse KH2 of being triangle to win but then proceed to suck BBS' peenor .

The level design is just abysmal. The story and characters are terrible even for KH standards(at least KH1 and KH2 were fun)

The only enjoyable thing in BBS is that monopoly minigame.

>>384108358
>You want to ride it, right?
yes

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I'm not even going to judge on the game's graphics and combat until release, the game still has another 1-2 years and 0.2 showed us that they're able to change shit around within weeks apart. So far it looks great, the combos look faster than the orchestra trailer but we still need to see more limits and summons.

>>384108426
Everyone had a DS and GBA too yet those games didn't sell nearly as well.
PSP also was at least approaching 100 million sales in 2010/11 when BBS came out

GTFO with these shitty excuses

>>384108476
DDD was seven worlds and it still managed to be a standard-length RPG in terms of hours.

>>384108002
>it has better combat than 1
I wanted to say that it was a funny joke, but in reality it wasn't funny, it was just dumb

>>384102323
no it doesn't, i'm almost certain KH3 will make sense if you've only played the console games. birth by sleep is the most necessary besides those and you still don't really need it.

>>384108426
Also PS2 had far more piracy than PSP could ever even dream of. So that's another weaksauce point from your part.

Ya know, I don't think the problem is figuring out what's going on, I think the problem is how is Nomura gonna wrap this all up in a way that's worth the 15 years of build up?

>>384102072
Can't wait for the wave of confused people who refused to play the "spinoffs" and claim it's the Dark Souls of Kingdom Hearts.

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Never played KH
Should I emulate it ? I've been craving some JRPG these days

>>384108747
Yes, 1 & 2 are top tier and BBS & DDD are good even if contrarian cunts in this threads say otherwise

>>384108531
>The only enjoyable thing in BBS is that monopoly minigame.
Surprisingly and sadly true, I actually had some good times with that minigame

>>384108635
psp only had 53 million sales in 2010
and are you activision because all of the games except coded have had about 1.5-2 million sales which is pretty goddamn good

If you play all the games and can't understand the story you're just retarded, it's awful but not hard to follow in the slightest.

Also you sound like a retard who would skip peace walker + grounds zeroes go play mgsv and complain that you can't follow what's going on.

>>384108476
Too be fair, all the worlds do look incredibly big. I simply can't gauge just how large the Toy Story world will be, especially considering the streets. Even if there are like, seven worlds in total, each world will be massive. The worlds from the other games simply won't be able to compare, especially when worlds like Wonderland in KH1 are like, 4-5 rooms.

>>384108738
it's gonna be friendship, a.k.a the copout ending

>>384107964
That is the counterargument you fucking autist. The whole thread started because some fanboy is mad that review sites are going to tear KH3 apart because they will be confused about the story when in fact review sites are right about that and all of these shitty side-games that made the story convoluted and that nobody wants to play should have never happened in the first place

Go fucking die in a fire now

>>384108002
>it has better combat than 1
No it doesn't. BBS manages to be more janky despite being released 8 years later.

>>384108738
Friendship will prevail. It's a game based on Disney movies written by an insane japanese man. there's no depth here.

>>384108842
maybe you should go find another series if you hate the majority of the series

>>384108895
Probably because it was released for shitty hardware that didnt even have a second analog stick

>>384108519
>>384108524
My complaint wasn't that you have to play DDD to know the story, I've played it.
Anon implied knowing about the 13 Xehanorts vs 7 heroes was somehow difficult to understand, yet it is impossible to even know about if you haven't played Dream Drop Distance.

>>384108791
Might as well give it a try then. Thanks

>>384108842
>You """counter-argument""" is that people like you are going to be too retarded and lazy to actually play the re-releases on the PS4 that build up the story then bitch about not understanding it as you are right here.
I am now convinced you are quite literally mentally retarded.

>>384108524
He's right
Nobody wants to play those shitty side-games

>>384108953
>yet it is impossible to even know about if you haven't played Dream Drop Distance

Well it kinda makes sense when III is a direct sequel to DDD which is a direct sequel to II (or Recoded but that one is skippable) you mongloid

>>384108953
Well yeah no shit, you can't jump into the last game of the series and be surprised that you needed to play the previous games to understand what's going on, specially considering each of them adds to the story.

>>384109097
>specially considering each of them detracts to the story.
ftfy

>>384109047
Then don't play them. Literally no one is forcing you to play those games.

>>384108803
It was fun screwing up with the AI and beating it at it's own game. Plus it's always nice to see those numbers go up and get synthesis items and shit by playing it.

I wouldn't mind if they brought it back in KH3.

>>384109097
>you have to play the spin-offs to even grasp the story of the mainline games
And therein lies the rub, anon.
By Nomura's OWN ADMISSION Days, CoM, BbS, DDD etc. are spin-offs.

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>>384108791
>contrarians

>>384108808
>and are you activision
What?

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>>384109190
>A game is is a spin-off if it doesn't have numbers in the title

Hang yourself

>>384108904
they should just not have made the shit games.

>>384109190
So what? The gameplay is essentially the same all throughout. None of the games experienced dramatic changes in gameplay or story direction that would make the spin-offs a problem.

>>384109232
Did you miss the part where Nomura himself had said those games are spin-offs?

>>384109190
Nomura considers them spin-offs because they focus on different characters or feature variant gameplay from the numbered titles.

However, us filthy gaijin hear "spin-off" and interpret it to mean "less important," which isn't necessarily the case.

THAT is the rub.

>>384109026
People aren't lazy, they're just not interested in shitty games.

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>there are people in this thread that seriously defend the existence of KH Re:Coded

>>384109316
Yet here you are you dipshit.

>>384109268
BBS and the other games don't play like KH1 or KH2FM.

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>>384109227
Yes contrarians, 8.2 on MC review score + 8.5 user score but 3 users on /v/ are gonna say its bad so they are bad? Who the fuck are yo uthat i should care about your opinion compared to the one of hundreds of other people on the internet?

if you dont play all the subtitle games you dont deserve to enjoy KH3

>>384108904
This >>384109264

>>384109316
You can't know they're shitty if you haven't played them

>>384102072
>needing side material to play a mainline entry

deserves bad reviews if this is the case

>>384109380
You can if you're not retarded.

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>>384109319
>defend the existence of a good game
Yes, yes I will.

I thought everyone liked KH for the gameplay?
But then everyone hates Re:coded because of its story, despite it having great gameplay...

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>>384109479
There it is

KH was always bad you manchild.

>>384109501
Ebin picture. Include me in the screencap.

>>384109464
>listening to /v/ instead of forming your own opinions through first-hand experience
That's pretty retarded anon

>>384109479
What would you compare it to? Re:Coded is among the only games of the series I haven't played with BBS behind it
.

>>384108936
Love this excuse. There was nothing stopping them from copying KH2FM's gameplay style verbatim if they wanted to.
PSP was pretty powerful and you could easily port KH2FM with some downgraded visual/audio quality with the gameplay left intact into it

Please stop it with these excuses. You could make these excuses for the DS and GBA but not for the PSP

How can a game be a spinoff if it continues the story and 3 continues the story of that game?

>>384109607
But i am not making excuses i am literally stating facts and as >>384109356 said BBS is considered a great game and is constantly top 10 in the ranking of the best PSP games.

>>384109583
You're playing Sora as he is dreaming or some shit. You play the exact same worlds as KH1 but it's all "glitchy" and more "data".

It's a phonegame, it's garbage.

>>384109158
Then don't cry about review sites tearing KH3 apart because of your shitty side-games you autist

I just got out of the hospital after talking them out of transferring me to a psychiatric hospital because of my depression
if I want to get into this, I can just buy both collections that's on the PS4 right?

>>384109575
Who said anything about listening to /v/?
Trailers and dev interviews and past experiences with similar games exist, anon.

>>384109319
The story is completely unnecessary but at least the gameplay was an actually good version of BBS and DDD
It would have been ideal if they could have implemented that gameplay system for 358/2 instead of an unnecessary game

>>384109268
>The gameplay is essentially the same all throughout
No it isn't. KH1 and 2 are different from the side-games

>>384109690
>Implying I ever said that to begin with
Are you fucking retarded?

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>>384109356
>Muh reviews

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>disney
>sword that looks like a key
>belts-n-zipperz
No thank you.

>>384109810
>R-Reviews don't matter now b-b-because I say so. GOTEM

>>384109693
Yep, you get 1.5+2.5 HD and also 2.8 Prologue Hyper Fighter Advanced: The New Generation or whatever the fuck that game is called.

>>384109520
Pro tip: use commas

>>384109380
I played them though
CoM/ReCom was retarded with it's card shit
Don't get me started on Birth By Sleep which was atrocious and one of the most boring games I've ever played

>>384109684
So it's Chain of Memories with an actually good gimmick.

>>384109583
It's basically the KHII of Command Deck games.

Fast and frenetic action where commands are universally useful and flow easily into and out of combos.
TONS of customization options to tailor your gameplay experience, including the ability to do things like replaying world episodes on a 1HP challenge run.

Even mid-battle you can get a custom experience through the Clock gauge, which modifies your Keyblade's abilities in real time during the fight. It makes your Keyblades more meaningful than just swapping out for a higher ATK stat.

Solid story with great pacing and writing on par with CoM's. If you're the sort of person that laments Maleficent's Team Rocket-fication in KHII, or wish for more meaningful Disney inclusion, Re:coded is up your alley.

>>384109684
The least you could do is at least be remotely cognizant of the game's premise.

Re:coded also doesn't play a damn thing like coded. It was remade from the ground up for the DS.

>>384109870
Well play it then and see how good it is :^)

Can someone explain why KH saga has a downright shit plot?

>KH 1 had the perfect adventure, plot wise it was the better of the series
>Then the sequel no one asked for
>But hey! KH2 appears and saves the day, sort of
>The prequel no one asked for
>The side story no one asked for
>The second side story no one asked for
>The mobile game no one asked for
>The semi sequel no one asked for
>And now we have 3, a convoluted plot that doesn't make fucking sense.

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>>384109810
>THEIR reviews don't matter
>MY review of the game matters

BTFOing faggots on /v/ is so fucking fun

if you only played 1 and 2 then wanting wanting to play 3 is a paradox. In 2 the story is resolved, Xemnas is dead. Our protagonists have no agenda to continue fighting.

>>384102072

I hope so. The series is a retarded, cheap, low-tier fanfiction crap with no soul whatsoever.
The first was unique. The rest just made it progressively more gross into a giant convoluted mess with no redeeming qualities.

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>tfw Drive Forms won't be in Kingdom Hearts 3

>>384109978
>Our protagonists have no agenda to continue fighting
Did you forgot the secret ending you retard

>>384109907
Legitimately sold. Thank you friend, I'll be gladly buying it on my next venture to a games aisle.

>>384109682
Yes you are
You're making excuses on why BBS is jankier than KH1

>>384110116
Secret ending was about the precuel, so NO.

>>384110148
Prove that BBS is jankier than KH1

>>384110083
Only they totally are, they're just in a limited "super form into super move" state.

>>384109936
Bbs was the 3 everyone asked for because of the teaser at the end of 2 just by a different name
It was the only thing left open since without bbs/ the teaser kh2 resolved itself with no open holes
And lota of fucking people were asking for more kh

>>384109797
This is what the whole thread is about you cancerous autist. Read the damn OP

>>384109978
>>384110162
Lmao even worse, it wasn't even the secret ending, they teased Recoded (which means also DDD and III) right at the end of 2. So you got btfo even harder.

>>384110217
>Implying I have the same opinions as OP on what will happen
LITERAL RETARD

>>384109947
My review does matter though. Reviewers are just paid shills.

>>384110230
>Tease
>A fucking card from Mickey that had no meaning or context.

Admit it, Since KH1 the story is shit and we all know it.

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>>384110162
>precuel
This is a Kingdom Hearts fan. Take a good look at him.

>>384109936
Tetsuya Nomura

>>384110305
So why did he send that card? For shit and giggles? The writers just put it there because they didn't know what to do at the end so they wanted to end the series with a cliffhanger? Just stop

Just buy KH 1.5 + 2.5 and 2.8 for ps4 and play every game.

Not fucking hard retards.

>>384110205
>Bbs was the 3 everyone asked for
No it wasn't. Stop revising history.
Everybody wanted to know more about Organization XIII and continuing to play as Sora

This is why BBS only sold a million copies. Nobody wanted to play that shit and people were waiting for KH3 to hit PS3.

>>384110382
>The writers just put it there because they didn't know what to do at the end so they wanted to end the series with a cliffhanger?

You just answered yourself

>forcing me to play 17 other games all on different platforms to understand the main games of the franchise

and they would deserve it

>>384110176
Show me screenshots of Valor Form then.
These new forms aren't Drive Forms

>>384104783
Sorry you are a poorfag console warrior. People with sense and taste are idorts and had no issue with the series being on multiple devices. Must suck being Sony only, fuccboi.

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>havent played DDD
>read up on the plot today
>mfw

and I thought BBB was bad. What in the absolute fuck were they thinking? Time travel on top of all this retarded bullshit

>>384110478
That hyperbole sure proved your point

>>384110514
I had all of those systems and it was annoying when they would make games for each. I'd rather have them all on one console. It's more convenient.

>>384110426
>This is why BBS only sold a million copies

Well, it also came out during the peak of PSP piracy.

>>384110453
And you just proved you are retarded :^)

>>384110541
Riku is a Dream Eater

>you have to play six games to make sense of the 3rd game

Really activates my limit break

>>384110514
>People with sense and taste are idorts and had no issue with the series being on multiple devices

>Ps2
>Gba
>Mobile
>Ds
>3ds
>Psp
>Ps4

yeah, fuck them for not wanting to buy every console in existence.

>>384110453
>The interquels are pointless to me The Post

>>384110590
Kingdom Hearts III is like the 10th game fag

>>384110514
Even Idorts didn't play these shitty games

>>384102072
How many platforms including handhelds did you have to own to play this whole series? 5?

>>384107654
I will take the bait.

Anon, they did exactly what he said.

>>384102323
>wtf why do i have to read all of the books in a series to get a complete understanding of its plot

>>384102072
Lmao. Why would I play the shitty handheld games?

>>384110572
>M-m-muh Piracy
LMFAO
PS2 had far more piracy.

>>384110641
You underestimate our autism.

>>384110621
>Interquel
>Easy money for Nomura

Choose wisely.

>>384105160
>look at me everyone i play MATURE games, heh

>>384110570
That makes no fucking sense. Like none at all.

>>384110590
How can it be the 3rd game if you have to play 6 to understand it?

Boy stupid people are annoying

>>384110715
There were 100+ million Nintendo DS handhelds out there, yet only about 1-2 million copies of 358/2 days and Re:Coded were sold

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>>384110715
I mean, considering how important they are narratively, pic related.

>>384110615
Indeed, fuck them. Most of those are great devices with great libraries, and the others are the PSP (emulation heaven), a fucking cell phone in 2016, and the PS4 which... Well that's a hard sell.

So you people actually like the fact that there are all the side games that added all this extra stupid shit to the plot

As it should be. If all of the games were supposed to be relevant to the overarching story and mandatory to understand, they should've been numbered sequentially. There is no reason to have a 12 year gap between the second and third game, yet release 23 different spin off titles. The HD re-release helps, but it's retarded that it's necessary at all.

>>384110846
Without all that extra shit there wouldn't be a story for KHIII, so yeah I'm OK

>>384110846
Yeah man, sequels having plot to them, who could imagine such cancer?

>>384104516
I'd rather they just stick the garbage games to handhelds thanks

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>Game
>Game: Subtitle 1
>Game 2
>Game: Re: Subtitle 1
>Game: Subtitle
>Game: Subtitle
>Game: Subtitle
>Game 1.5
>Game X
>Game 2.5
>Game: Subtitle
>Game 2.8


>Game 3

>>384106142
You need to get off the internet ol' kevin, you got that test coming up in your biology class, should be studying

>>384104709
Disney could not care less about KH, otherwise they'd have something KH related at Disneyland by now.

>A spin-off may be called a sidequel when it exists in the same chronological frame of time as its predecessor work

So yes in fact DDD is a spin-off but it is also a Sequel so you all retards crying about muh spin-off can shut the fuck up

>>384110887
there could easily be a story for KH3 without all the dumb shit. It's needlessly dragged out.

>>384110948
Fucking THIS

>>384110791
meant for >>384110712

>>384110846
Only deviantart freaks

>>384111018
>It's needlessly dragged out

Zelda has the same story dragged out for like 25 years already

>>384108693
While I'd like to say you could avoid the story clusterfuck of Birth By Sleep and Dream Drop Distance and pick up the story from KH3 having played 1 and 2, shit just isn't gonna make sense. Already we saw Xemnas fucking around doing Org XIII shit which makes 0 sense for someone who only played 2 where the game ends by killing his ass. In any case squeenix is gonna have to get real creative with explaining this mess

>>384110590
>implying the third game will make sense

>>384110887
Yes there would be you fucking cancer. In KH2's ending Mickey sent Sora, Kairi and Riku a letter.

>>384111060
Thus my use of "our." Those of us crazy enough to chase KH through the consoles are a niche of our own in the niche KH fandom.

KH apologists are the worst.
The saga was fun, but nobody is paying you to defend the old, raped desecrated body that is now

>>384110948
>>384110883
Game
Game 1.5
Game 2
Game 1.4-1.6
Game 0
Game 2.1
Game 2.5
Game -1
Game 2.8
Game 3

Better? Now you don't have to cry.

>>384110926
I'd rather they just didn't make garbage games

>>384110948
Megaman
Final Fantasy
Resident Evil
what else...

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>the finale of KH3 is Sora falling into the ocean and landing on a new one of these stained-glass pictures and fighting the original shadow of himself

>>384111203
Nope, it's even more retarded now

>>384111194
>you to defend the old, raped desecrated body that is now

KH is probably one of the series with the highest average in terms of quality of games

>>384111263
But forcing numbers onto eveything is what you said you wanted.

>>384111251
Can't tell me this shit didn't give you the feels when you first saw it
https://youtu.be/_oWpjxRsST0?t=84

>>384111162
A letter that led to Dream Drop Distance
A letter the contents of which depended on information learned in Re:coded
Information which comes from Birth by Sleep

>>384111194
Is that a mildly edited copypasta that was originally about Sonic?

>>384111251
lame

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>>384111290
>KH is probably one of the series with the highest average in terms of quality of games

>>384111137
Almost all the Zelda games are self contained, though. A few (Zelda 2, MM, PH) directly occur after another game, but even the story in those games ends. The overall Zelda/Link/usuall Ganon bullshit happens in almost every game, but it's not "dragged out" because that particular version of the story is concluded by the end of the game.

>>384111372
Not an argument

>>384111203
Is that the chronological order? Start with -1 and work my way up to 3? Usually series are in release order, so KH3 should be KH 10.

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KH is just definitive proof that Square Enix can't into storytelling over different entries.
Squaresoft knew what they were doing when they made each FF game self contained before merging with Enix.
If you want another example, X-3.

>>384111447
Yours isn't also, you stated a fact with no proof.
A false statement tho, a lot of sagas have at least 2/3rds of his game as good quality games. KH has at best 1/2 and thats debatable.

>>384111137
>deflecting to other series
That isn't even the case for Zelda like anon pointed out here >>384111382 but even if it was that doesn't make KH's story any less retarded and convoluted

>>384111186
In my original post I was referring to Idorts in general.

>>384105014
No, but MGSV is awful

The story outside the original is fucking trash so who cares.

>>384111330
No, what I wanted was no shitty side-games nobody wants to play that tie into the main game's plot

>>384105014
Yes, there were tapes with info about previous games

Does anyone actually think the story is good in these games? They honestly come off as fan fiction tier that you read on some teenagers MSN status.

>>384111504
>Yours isn't also, you stated a fact with no proof.
Metacritc, better than greentexting

>>384111623
But the gameplay is musou trash, if we cast aside the story there's nothing else

>>384106519
pot calling the kettle retarded deviantart-tier fanfiction when it's a game about crossovers between final fantasy and disney movies

>>384111372
Kirby sound?