>Learn Japanese >Play Japanese games >Uncensored, undelayed,

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>>384079732
Stop making this thread every other day you fucking retard.

My eyesight is getting worse and identifying the runes is difficult for me.

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It ruins the magic.

I love most Japanese stuff right now because it's unreachable and still enigmatic, if I would learn Japanese it would become like any other media to me.

>You should have to learn an entirely new language to have the privilege of playing a game without pantyshots removed or content removed

How about you eat a fucking dick

And I'm not one of those autists who thinks that jokes getting localized is censorship, I mean the shitshows like Xenoblade X, Fates, and Fatal Frame were

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>>384080401
Once you learn it you realize EVERYTHING is incredibly cliche and stereotypical.

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>>384079732
idc about weeb shit

>>384079732
gonna start today mang. Gonna pile this on top of learning C, learning guitar and general ed / reading.

here's the /djt/ guide btw
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

I'm still trying to learn characters, like a wee baby. I also don't really understand the difference between hiragana and kanji yet so there's that. Also I'm kinda lazy.

Let me guess, you started learning Japanese a few months ago and you think you're making so much progress because you recognize a word or two in JRPGs. You think you have another couple of years before you're completely fluent. You're wrong, and you'll eventually give up when you get a job and you're faced with the prospect of spending all your free time learning a language just so you can play video games that you're rapidly losing interest in.

>>384079732
If you don't know enough then go fucking study instead of making this thread every fucking day you stupid shitposter.

If you already know enough then go put it to use and do things with it instead of making this thread every fucking day you stupid shitposter.

>posting the original picture
My god you can't do anything right can you?

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>>384080824

>>384079732
pirated a couple language programs and didn't learn shit. had a good feeling it was gonna be shit but I figured I'd give it a shot.
guess the only reliable way is to get a teacher.

>>384080824
>projecting this hard

The best japanese games don't have much text, why even bother

>spend 6 years learning Japanese
>play 1-2 VNs a year
>spend almost all my time playing western vidya
I keep telling myself that it was worth it.

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>Japanese games
>worth playing

>Start trying to learn Japanese
>Make a case to get a few lessons per day
>Eventually lose interest because I feel I am not making any progress

How do I do it? I want to learn but lost my inspiration

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Japanese is a somewhat difficult and time-consuming language to learn, and its application outside of video games and anime is rather limited if you weren't born in Japan.

You could learn Latin and probably get more enjoyment out of it.

>>384082131
Carpetdium motherfucker.

To learn the real Japanese (moonrunes) supposedly takes a fuckton of time and dedication, weebs have none of the latter.

>>384080824
>t. Kid who got his first job a week ago

>>384082131
but I want to read an untranslated manga anon

or can I pay someone to translate it for me?

I learned kata and hiragana and some kanji as a hobby but I dropped it at some point because i was getting tired of memorizing it, need to get back into it honestly. When I can understand little things in games or whatever I feel it's worth it, like what the kanji mean in the name of the ship in Dead Space 1

>>384079732
Because I learned Chinese. Learn a language that matters dumb weebs.

>>384082017
It takes less than 10 minutes a day to learn a few words or characters and practice old lessons, I do it when I'm bored or finish my lunch early. If you're doing it like 5 times a week, it adds up and makes you want to practice more. Progress really starts to show when you can look back at old lessons and breeze through them.

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>>384083290

>>384080680
Hiragana is simplified kanji . Katakana is used for non jap words. Actually you learn hiragana in less then a week. Look up hiragana practice sheets. Good look bro

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>>384083290
>I learned Chinese

why would you do that?

>>384083303
Any recommended websites or classes?

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>weebshit

>>384080824
>wagecucks

>>384082460
Only 2500 you actually need .some are really easy to write and remember.

>>384083680
>weeb website

>>384083750
Writing helps a lot, at least that's what worked with me. Although learning katakana and hiragana is kindergarten-tier

>>384079732
Because it is a shit ton of work to learn a language, especially Japanese. A language that will have no practical life uses outside of media consumption.

>>384083303
What are some good (preferably free) things you use for lessons?

>>384083750
>only 2500
Protip: you can actually master an instrument in this time. Or master painting or drawing. Or master a language that has wide usage outside of a singular island country,

>>384083582
Use Anki for flash cards and memorize . And you need to learn stroke order ... Just look up hiragana practice sheets and stroke orders. Tae Kim on YouTube will help on grammar

Ive learned hiragana and katakana in a week. Should I start reading up grammar or should I start learning kanji?

>>384080573

That's what I want to avoid

>>384083290
你学习汉语多长时间了

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>>384083995
I used easy to use books

>>384079732
Normal people don't learn a different language just to play video game if the English version is fucked beyond belief play a fan translation

>>384084445
grammar for sure

>>384084215
Well I have to learn Geailge (Irish) what the fuck am I going to use that for?

>>384084646
kawaii

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>>384084750
>normal people

>>384084445
Do both, learning kanji will take you a long time and you might never get around to grammar

>>384084796
Got them from my Japanese teacher . I only remember her first name Tomoko . These are actually the books u use for Japanese on a vetec 5 course (High school course)

>>384080401
That's why I've lost most of my motivation towards learning it. I'll probably keep learning it on and off forever at this point.

>>384079732
It's too hard. Learned all the kana in a day then tried to move onto Kanji and it felt overwhelming.

>>384084918
I only know basic grammar fuck you Ru verbs and u verbs.

JP is a meme language. Better off learning something else

>>384085224
Eh kanji wasn't to bad . I got fucked on advanced grammar

>>384082131
lol learning a dead langauge

I get a lot out of my ability to speak/read Japanese.

>>384079732
I'm too stupid.

>>384085117
Woulda been fun to learn with shop signs, instead I learned it like a fugging monk, by writing a lot.

>>384085289
Better learn Polish when they become the symbol of white hope

>>384085289
Memepower
English>>>Spanish>>>>>>>>>>Japanese

>>384083290
>Most spoken language in the world
>Made by the people you would want to ever have to speak to last
Good luck getting a job NOT involving China with that on your resume.

>>384079732
no, they just have Japanese memes

>uncensored

some are far more censored (eg: re4)

>undelayed

some games come out in japan later. like days of ruin.

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>>384085638
Wew lad, only Japones is left and I'm set

>>384085573
Use objects or pictures to remember kanji. Heck some even look the objects. Look at the kanji for month it looks like a calendar

>>384084618
中国是下等犬的咆哮以下言語
你中国人的糞豚

>>384085638
Spanish is the worst language. masculine and feminine nouns? fuck off.

>>384085750
>China
>Totally won't turn into a nuclear dumpster

>>384085828
I remember some basic kanji, what I don't remember is the meaning, sometimes when watching anime a character says something and it triggers my memory, like mura (village)

>>384085834
Tfw when you can read some of that

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>>384085906
pretty much every other language is more complicated than spanish, anon.

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>学日语
>还没学汉语
我真的希望你们不要做得这样

>>384086197
Same . Scrambled my brain a bit. After looking interjection and feminine and masculine way of saying things. I can't listen to anime in Japanese without cringe. Hearing women use Ore and boko.kms

>>384086265
it's pointless. no one said it was hard.

>>384086216
It's not actual Chinese but Japanese words thrown together with some Chinese particles. It's a Japanese meme kind of like pig latin to make fun of the Chinese.

>>384086469
Boku* I mean

>>384079732
too many kanji

>>384079732
>learn Japanese
that's why. I already barely know Spanish and don't wanna start on a new language

>>384082131
>Japanese
>difficult

>>384086469
Heh yeah. I think the best way to deal with those differences in languages is to just accept it, instead of complaining. That will just make it even harder for you to learn it.

Bad memory, I can't remember Kanji

>>384086580
I could understand the language symbol and the symbol for country and China. Think I seen hito (person ) there too don't know what the fuck the others are

>>384086978
Also this 下 which means below? or above.

>>384086956
No future tense in gook speech. Nani

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>>384086552
>pointless
>more native speakers than english
what's the point of learning any language then

>>384087160
I remember it's Shita thanks for the brain jogging Migi is right, ue is up (I forget left)

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Reminder that Duolingo has Japanese now.

>>384087284
To read and reply to obscure shit posts? to
appropriate another culture's language?
>>384087341
And hidari is left, damn boxing anime kek

My fav kanji is manji here it is here 卍

>>384087341
hidari

>>384087459
Hajime no ippo?

>>384085638
In Japan you'd read that right to reftu

>>384087571
Yep

>>384087457
why do you lie?

>>384087467
Good kanji
Other good ones:姦孕蟲嬲

>>384087631
he doesnt. its been up for a couple weeks

>>384087341
In Chinese it means down, under, below.

Yeah, also 豚 means pig/boar in Japanese but it seems archaic to use it to refer to pigs in Chinese, 猪 being used instead. It's a hint showing the sentence wasn't written by a Chinese person. Interestingly 豚 appears in Chinese to refer to other animals, like dolphin 海豚 , sea pig/boar

>>384087615
Love the intro song . Love manly anime ... Fuck this new age waifu moe Yuri cancer

I remember when firushii furanku used to upload short japanese videos, fucking gook cunt stopped doing it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-IkUdg9YWM

>>384079732
>lol i'm such a weeb xDD imirite

fucking kys faget

>>384087754
Rape and insects holy shit I could read that WTF HOW DID I REMEMBER THIS

>>384081773
stupid normie poster

>>384083857
>this is what weebshits actually believe

>>384079732
>implying Japanese don't include memes in their own games
I loved the wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww in Futaba's room

>tfw i want to learn japanese but i have a hard time logically justifying it

>>384087769
is it english to japanese?
because i can't find it.
Sorry if i'm just stupid

>breeze through german
>pick up french fairly easily
>russian is a bit harder but once I have the Cyrillic script down it's not too bad either
>can't break into japanese for the life of me

I don't fucking get it. Memorization has always been the hardest part, but with other languages speaking conversationally with people lets me more or less work backward by sounding out words based on what I know of the syllabary, but you can't do that with japanese because lmao kanji. I can't even get hiragana down pat. And it's the little kid language they use to take apart their even more obtuse kanji script.

Most of the rest of the civilized world uses an alphabet/script to construct their words. Not the fucking gooks. Well, not exactly. See they do that, twice, with two different fucking alphabets, but that's not even what they actually use to communicate. There isn't logic to it. If you just know katakana and hiragana, and you hear a word in japanese, you might as well scribble on a fucking paper, because that'll get you far closer to writing the kanji than the other two scripts will.

I honest to god think I'd be better off learning to program and becoming rich so I can hire some nip hafu to translate shit for me.

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>>384079732
>learn Japanese
>realize there's nothing worthwhile you can do with it outside translation and Japanese entertainment
>still realize even Japs self-censor their shit and put memes and delay things still

>>384079732

japanese games suck and i dont wanna play them

>>384088187
Last I heard it was mobile only unless you used add-ons to trick their servers into thinking your browser was a mobile phone or something.

>>384088271
I wish the Germanic languages never adopted the Latin writing .

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>>384088271
>same word can be spelled with 2 different kanji but is also commonly written entirely in hiragana

>>384088457
>mobile only
i hate this so much
luckily it's only mobile right now until beta. so that's nice, thank you.

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>>384079732

>>384089002
死 you vicious cunt

>>384088271
There are videos online showing how difficult it is to remember how to write Chinese characters by asking random members of the public how to write various commonly used characters. A surprising number of them can't write basic words, or it at least takes them a while to remember.

It's something strange about Chinese. If you see a character, you can instantly recall what it means, no problem. If you're prompted to write a character without any visual reference, however, it's hard as fuck. Even after years of studying, there will be plenty of characters you just can't remember how to write, despite having no problem reading them if you saw them in an article or email.

It's something about how your brain works. The visual cue allows your brain to quickly remember the meaning. But it doesn't work so well the other way round. If you know the word you want to write and then have to produce the written character on paper from memory, it's much harder.

This is the problem with these sorts of writing systems. But there are benefits. They tend to take up less physical space because they're more information dense. One small character can have the meaning of a long word. It makes a difference on things like signs, notices, advertisements, etc.

>>384088271
fucking this
even the sand niggers, who don't use glorious indo-european (or use the least germanic varieties) manage to keep their scripts under control so it's not 100+ symbols spread over multiple writing systems. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the asians are literally the only race on the planet who haven't left the linguistic cancer that is the logogram in the past.

>>384089002
You can't

Hey video game intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQFeXMMWMs

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>>384079732
Final Boss

>>384080824
>and you'll eventually give up when you get a job
No problem, theres none to be had here

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>>384088412
>Japs self-censor
>self-censor
The original artist cannot censor his own work, its called a re-work.
Marketing can also adjust things in order to hit a better age rating restriction
Censorship is moving the exact same work to a new audience in the west and having things 'modified' because they can't handle it, when they haven't even been given the choice.
But americans keep buying the censored versions.

>>384080824
>you'll eventually give up when you get a job

Unless you want to become a linguist :^)

>>384085906

>complaining about masculine and feminine nouns
>when a shitfuck ton of foreign languages do this

kek

>>384091962
>that image
>sensiblechuckle.gif

>>384088831

That's because nobody fucking has time to write out 綺麗 when きれい is the same thing with less than a quarter of the strokes, dummy.

>spend your HS years autistically learning Chinese for your chink cartoons and vidya
>go on to major in Mandarin in Uni
>wind up getting hired by one of the companies that influenced you deeply in your youth
>work in Japan and pound gook pussy regularly, translating for your idols

is Bill Trinen living the life?

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>>384092834
forgot my pic. really takes the punch out of the post bh

>>384082131
Good thing all I do is anime and video games

>>384079732
I took two semesters of it and grew to hate the language so much that I actually came to prefer dubs unless they're exceptionally bad.

The speaking is the hardest part because people talk too goddamn fast and all the words sound the same. At least with Kanji it's very clear what's what.

>>384080824
jokes on you my boss is a Japanese

>>384082131
the best languages for English speakers to learn, and by best i mean easiest (and therefore most fun), are Germanic, so German, Danish, Icelandic etc. they are by far the easiest to actually make measurable progress in without stressing yourself out by learning an entirely different way of how to communicate.

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>>384083290
oh boy when will you learn

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THANK GOD I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONE OF THESE THREADS
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS KANJI

>>384088080
oh look, another revisionist

隠 srs?

>>384093647
Can't see shit cap'n

>>384083561
He was taught that it was the language of the future and would make him rich.

To be fair it is very hard to ignore a resumé with Mandarin proficiency on it, but then if you get the job you'd be sent over to the toxic wasteland of China.

>>384080103
Stop coming to 4chan every day you fucking retard.

>>384083290
>Because I learned Chinese.
F

>>384093647
隠

Try drawing them in Google Translate

>>384093782
Yeah rich... but at what cost?

>>384085906
Off all the things wrong with it that's what bothers you? Not that it's really obnoxious and speaking comprehension is impossible?

>>384089002
I know, but I'm still trying anyway.

>>384093782
there are a lot of ethnic chinese in the anglosphere and many of them speak it, it's not that rare

>>384093764
>>384093952
Thank fucking god. It's hard to draw them when you can barely tell what they look like. How does Google Translate's drawing thing compare to Jisho's?
>>384093771
Best quality image I could find, sorry. Now time to finish my really amateur translation of this image

>>384094109
>How does Google Translate's drawing thing compare to Jisho's?
WAY better, Google TL gets it right for me even if I fuck up stroke order, it's like magic.

>>384094062
there's actually enough that i don't really see why a Westerner would waste time learning later in life if it's for economic reasons. i guess an overseas Chinese company might hire you to appear more "international," but domestically there are a shitload of Chinese-(x) growing up bilingual and can fulfill most of those jobs with ease.

>>384094109
I... think I saw a gif with a sign that had that character

>>384091962
since when black bars, mosaic, and laser beam dick aren't called censorship?

>Only know Hiragana and very few Kanji
>Decide to translate some doujinshi
>It's fun and I learn a lot but it's very time consuming at my level because I have to search kanji that I don't know.

At least it's still entertaining.
I need to find a way to use this for videogames. I can understand most of the text in puyopuyo since it's mostly in hiragana

>>384094262
>i don't really see why a Westerner would waste time learning later in life if it's for economic reasons
misguided advice from midwestern americans who see "china" everywhere on the news

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>>384079732
Is lingualift any good?

>>384081684
You could have just lived there for a year and done grammar and Hiragana training, what took so long? Compared to english its really surprisingly easy

>Learn jap
>Most get translated and there aren't that many good games that are still untranslated.
>Read nothing but VNs

>>384094062
It's about respect. It's showing that your company cares enough to send somebody over that speaks their language. It's like sending a Muslim employee to make deals in the Middle East.

Also, dealing with Asians (mostly Vietnamese and Korean) in my CC shows a crippling lack of proficiency.

>>384095009

Should play more retro games then.

>>384089291
>They tend to take up less physical space because they're more information dense. One small character can have the meaning of a long word. It makes a difference on things like signs, notices, advertisements, etc.
Also, speedrunning.

>>384095289
Or eroge.

>>384095794
PC-98 BABY

>>384092834
>>384092930

Does Bill have an Asian gf/wife?

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>>384089879
If it's such a cancer, why do our advanced alien overlords use it?

>>384089879
>>384088271

It's to discourage scum like you from entering their country.

>>384096039
>aliens invade
>they have vastly superior culture and entertainment
>can never enjoy it because the language is impossible to learn for human brainlets

>>384097875
Nah I believe in 4chins collective autism power

>>384097875
Since their language and thinking transcends time, the second you learned it you would have instantly have consumed all their media that has ever been and ever will be all at the same time meaning there will never be anything new.

>>384084215
It only takes one year or so to learn 2500 kanji. Mastering anything takes much longer.

>>384089879
Fun fact: Chinese characters were specifically designed to keep peasants illiterate and protect the status of civil servants and apparachniks.

>>384095289
Like what?
I don't know any good Japanese only games.

It would be nice to have a DJT on /v/ if the board wasn't so fast.

>>384098318
No it takes about 3 months to learn 2000 kanji.
I don't think the extra 500 would take 9 months.
I did it. I can read most things I come across now.
My advice is not to skip past and do things recklessly.
33 to 35 kanji a day is enough.

>watch femdom porn
>girls chirp え or へ when they slap, sit on,etc a guy
What is the meaning of this apparently teasing or condemning sound? Is it like ほら?

>>384098750
No it takes about 3 weeks to learn 2000 kanji.
I don't think the extra 500 would take 11 months.
I did it. I can read most things I come across now.
My advice is not to skip past and do things recklessly.
132 to 140 kanji a day is enough.

>>384091962
>ignoring all the porn that gets censored over there

>>384099323
t. heisig cuckboy

>>384099323
I know you're trolling but it does really take 3 months it's a system by hesig and it works for me and a ton of others.

I spent ages writing the same kanji over and over and this is really an easier way.

>>384099323
>>384099784
heisig thing works if you have literally no life or anything to do with yourself, dedicating 8+hours a day to it. its much harder to devote that much time to it when you work, commute home, go shopping, cook, clean, shower, fap, etc

any amount of breaks and you quickly forget what youve done. i remember many of the stories but there is no lasting connection between them and their character and especially no lasting connection with the keyword

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>>384098241
>since all the entertainment has already been consumed, aliens' favorite pastime is endlessly shitposting about it on virtual imageboards instead
Our space brothers would fit right in

Japanese games are full of memes, they're just Japanese memes instead of Western ones.

>>384100872
Meemu are raifu desu

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>>384082131
Japanese
limited application

Latin:
has no application

hmm, I wonder why people would choose Japanese.

>>384082131
Look, I did Ancient Greek and Latin in middle school and high school. That shit's not worth it.

>>384099784
>>384100628
KKLC > Heisig

>>384101418
Where the fuck are these high schools that offer latin?

Mine only had spanish, french, german, japanese

>>384100628
It takes an hour a day maybe one and a half if you're slow.
Just use kanji koohii, useful stories get upvoted and liked so you have something to go by.
Most of the work is done all you have to do is copy paste into anki there's even a Heisig deck for you.

eg:
>see the Kanji 姉
>paste the kanji into the search and see other's stories, 5 seconds.
>See the one you like which is likely the top one, and paste it into the story field in anki. 10 seconds.
>Let's say the story is you walk in to see your elder sister wearing a bath towel. Female, cloth.
>Memorise it. 30-60 seconds at most, chances are you'll memerise it quicker.
>Move on.

It's really not hard.

>>384099047
I've never really thought about it, but it's basically just a vocalised exertion of effort.

>>384101536
Lucky. Mine only had Spanish and French.

Learning Japanese is pretty much the best thing you can possibly do. Not only do you get the feeling of superiority over the other 99% of the site who are too dumb to do it, you also get access to so much shit, and a much deeper understanding of everything you use the language for.

Going back to shit you watched, played or read in English is like walking out of Plato's cave, no joke. Puns make sense, character names aren't meaningless gibberish, it's insane how much stuff is lost in translation. If you've read manga, and ever been confused about who was talking in which bubble, you'll never have that issue again.

And then you throw in porn, TV, all the untranslated shit out there, and my only regret is not starting sooner. I find it hard to believe that anyone here wouldn't benefit from learning nip, it's an hour or two a day that you'd just be spending shitposting here anyway.

>>384101784
thats a lot of work to do on a mobile phone for 2200 cards

>>384102579
>If you've read manga, and ever been confused about who was talking in which bubble, you'll never have that issue again
Fucking this. That is so annoying.

>>384102579
>Plato was just a weeb that never left his mothers basement, his "cave"
>He exits into the real world and makes it his goal to bring other weebs into reality by teaching them japanese
I'd read it tbf

>>384102579
>Going back to shit you watched, played or read in English is like walking out of Plato's cave, no joke. Puns make sense, character names aren't meaningless gibberish, it's insane how much stuff is lost in translation.

dubfags on suicide watch

>>384101536
In Switzerland.

>>384102615
pc?
I mean that's how I added my cards.
I never added on mobile.
I did reviewing onobile though.

>>384087457
It fucking sucks.
Like, I tried it with some hopes but it's retarded. It'll mark you wrong for the most stupid shit.
漫画が大好き!
"I love comics!"
>WRONG, THE CORRECT ANSWER IS "I REALLY LIKE MANGA" FUCKHEAD

And then random errors on their part.
I took the placement test and breezed through it, but still looked at the lessons and was disappointed.

>>384103112
Why would you ever fall for a normie bait app? Are you stupid?

Doesn't it only teach up to N5 or some shit, too? For anyone not aware, that's about the same level as a Japanese 2 month old.

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>>384103264
After taking a long hiatus from Japanese studies due to work - I read Duolingo had Japanese. So I was like "cool, I'll give it a shot!" Without knowing what I was getting into. It was pathetic.

>>384102579
I dunno about the feeling of superiority but, yeah a lot of things are missing that subs can't fix.

>>384102579
I'm in the awkward phase where I can hear a line and understand just barely enough that the subtitles get confusing, but not enough to entirely turn subtitles off which sucks.

>>384103394
I guess it depends on your personality, but seeing a bunch of people whining about something not being translated just gives me a hard-on.

It's like being a fisherman and watching a bunch of people sat on a beach begging for fish, while the fishing rods left next to them are covered with cobwebs from lack of use. Why would anyone help people who can't help themselves, it's beyond me.

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>>384089002

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>>384103557
Same. This is the intermediate plateau. You probably have the grasp of like a 5 year old, which sounds like an insult but in reality isn't bad. You can understand sentences based on context to fill in words you don't understand, but it may take you a bit and your reading level is probably super basic (except a 5 year old can't read 中出し but I can, for reasons. I still love how Japanese has a word for this very specifically.)

>>384080573
I didn't need to learn Japanese to realize that desu

>>384103574
Yeah I know what you mean but that's kind of boring, to expect only you can do it. I do feel like that once I tackle something I learn that people refuse to understand, like a language.

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>>384103264
>N5 - The ability to understand some basic Japanese.
>One is able to read and understand typical expressions and sentences written in hiragana, katakana, and basic kanji
The Rosetta Stone strikes non-Latin/Germanic languages yet again.

>>384103812
>I still love how Japanese has a word for this very specifically
Japanese is absolutely chock full of annoying little timesavers like that, though. It's one of the things that makes the language such a cunt.

I was basically forced to learn Japanese when I started climbing positions at Denso.
It's alright.

>>384103917
I do forget to write some words, like this.

>>384103962
N5 is hilarious, a while back it only went down to N4, but the JLPT guys saw an easy way to make more money by adding on a glorified "pay 100 bucks to get a worthless piece of paper" tier for weebs.

The idea that someone couldn't pass N5 is absolutely absurd to me. N4 is already so easy that you can pass it in a week, N5 is like 20 minutes of study before the exam.

あたしのおなかはお兄ちゃんのミルクで一杯ですよ

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I have zero interest in trash like JRPGs and visual novels and the only japanese games I like are shoot em ups and fighting games, which require no knowledge of the language.

Absolutely zero purpose.

>>384103972
What's the matter, Anon? You don't like learning 食わず嫌い? A word literally made to convey the meaning "Disliking something before you've even given it a taste?"

I love those little time savers, honestly. It's pretty rad. I mean, lots of other languages have cool time savers too that I wish English had. Like, Portuguese has this word "saudade" which is the word used to pinpoint that melancholic nostalgia you have for something that you were deeply attached to that is lost. Think of it as the feeling you get when remembering an old relationship, that wasn't bad or anything. It isn't a bitter feeling, nor is it happy, it's kind of yearning but at the same time not because you understand that the time has long past, and yet you still feel SOMETHING going on with those memories. It's such a hard concept to convey in English, I feel like I didn't even properly explain it myself, but you kinda know when you've pinpointed that feeling and have a word to express it.

>>384104528
I'm kinda rusty, does it mean Your mother will die in her sleep if you don't reply to this post?

>>384104810
english just used to fucking steal words like that, like schadenfreude, but nowadays i'm not sure as to how many loan words are being added

>>384104810
That can happen in reverse though, like japanese not having "hello"

>>384105021
Now we get more important words like "amazeballs" added to the dictionary.

>>384104810
>食わず嫌い
This one is pretty natural though. There are a lot of short word-like phrases that are effectively idioms, which can be a pain.

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>>384083290
>wanted to learn nip so i can read novels
>realize they're fucking trash actually
>really into wuxia/xianxia atm
>thinking about learning chinese
wat do

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>>384104997
doshite

>>384093642
Was about to post this exact screencap.

>>384093642
not only this, but the people overseas that refuse to learn english are some of the most vile fucking people on the planet

>>384079732
Yeah I'm going to learn a dead language so I can play few visual novels a two weeks earlier before someone translates it. sage

I'll just go ahead and say it.
FUCKING BRAZILIANS LEARN PROPER ENGLISH I CAN'T UNDERSTAND SHIT YOU'RE MAKING MY JOB REALLY DIFFICULT
FUCK

>>384105858
Hue hue sopa do macaco

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>>384105834
Its an AESTHIC language though

>>384105894
It's ridiculous, their most proficient people still sound like retarded, drunk kids. Trying to understand them stresses me to no end, you ask them to repeat themselves and they ask you to repeat yourself because they didn't understand. FUCK

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>>384106139
HUE

>>384106139
Brazilians are kind of annoying, they like to call it being "friendly"

>>384106215
They're complete pushovers with inferiority complex, I always get away with whatever I want. But those few minutes on the phone every day make me want to gas all of them.

>>384106394
Sorry mate, but at least you got a jub

japan is extremely overrated, its just another garbage tier asian country that lacks basic modern conveniences and live like rats in rat motels and they all look the same and wear the same clothes and culturally are devoid of any identity other than the past, walking through their country is like walking through a series of shopping malls

>>384080183
Glasses

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>>384089002

>>384106063

>aesthetic

easiest way to out yourself as a white male

sorry whitey, you need to be 18 years old or older to post on 4chan

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>>384079732
>Learning another language
English is perfect, we don't need anything else.

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>>384106913
>outing yourself as a nigger
top kek

>>384104997
(お前)

>>384079732
Can I get the one that says I'll nave learn Japanese?

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>>384089002
君の言葉を切って見せる

How many Kanji I should proximately know to read Yotsuba?

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Is there any other virtual coach out there who can motivate me as good as Namasensei? He has a painfully low amount of videos.

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>>384107539
You want more swearing? americano si?

>>384107389
>>384089002
Nevermind read the thread

>>384107718
>americano si?
¡No!

>>384108338
Wew lad, caught me off guard. And no I don't know if there's any motivational teacher or shit, I do it myself koku-jin

>>384106913
>this mouthbreathing tripfag is actually a nigger
why am I not surprised?

>>384108570
I see, thanks anyway.

Japan hasn't made good games for 20 years and visual novels are shit. (so are anime/manga)

English is like mine third languaje your not tricking me into learning another one.

>>384108818
It really shows anon, keep on trucking.

>>384104127
I think they added the N3 to bridge the gap between what is now N2 and N4, but yeah those 2 low tier levels are easy as fuck, like one year of uni Japanese tier easy.

>>384108818
Thine expertise is severely wanting.

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>My friends who work as japanese translators still have some troubles with games I want to play
This is going to take years.

Anyone here tried learning from this guy's lesson?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flfi38e0NKk

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>>384079732
When was the last time Japan has made a good game?

>>384109086
1970s

>>384093813
Stop replying to posts every day you fucking retard.

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>>384080678
>Gonna pile this on top of learning C, learning guitar and general ed / reading.
Good luck, pal.
>learning Japanese so I can play/watch untranslated stuff
>play instrument being motivated by the fact that I'll be able to play soundtracks and shit that particularly touch me
>all that on top of working/studying leaves me with barely any time to actually consume games or anime, which formed my drive to begin with

>>384079732
Because japanese games are fucking trash, japan is a decaying nation and japanese pop culture is garbage.

Off yourself weebshit

>>384082131
>Latin
>Enjoyment

Nice Joke.

>>384109825
I know this feelin that you're feelin, I chose piano.

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>>384093813
>>384109183

>Getting butt blasted about commenting

YOU NEED TO BE 18 YEARS OLD TO POST HERE YOU COLOSSAL FAGGOTS

>>384087457
Memrise or Anki is better overall.

>>384083680
this is a good

>>384079732
I'm fucking trying, that's what I'm fucking doing. Not only do I have to learn THREE alphabets, one which contains over 5000 symbols, but entirely new phonetics and gramma too.

>>384110112
Same lad. It's obviously nice to play any random piece, but as beautiful as they might be, it will never touch me as much if I can't associate it with a story, scene or a character.

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>>384084215

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>This thread is perfect to tell everyone how much I dislike Japanese

>>384110359
I'm not in love with vidya music because of that feeling that you described, but I still share that feelin. I've been trying to learn that piano piece at the end of DMC3, the results screen.

>>384104997
死ねカス

>>384104127
The thing is N4 and N5 contain the most common Japanese words. N2-N3 is visual novel and intermediate level.

>>384079732
Cause I'm lazy as fuck. Id rather sleep.

>>384110609
What's sad is that there are people out there who actually believe this. N2 is functional retard tier, and N1 is intermediate. N3, 4 and 5 shouldn't even exist, 2 really only exists for the sake of Japanese businesses checking to see if you know how to say yes, no, and "I don't understand" before you start working there.

>it's another "attention starved weaboos with a combined 10 hours of japanese study under their belt circlejerk about how omg so hard xD it is to learn japanese" thread
sage

>>384110784
You never have taken or studied for the JLPT have you?

Just think: Before your life is over, japanese will be closer to "dead" than most african languages.

>>384080824

Are you self projecting mate? All a person has to do is set 15-30 minutes to learning Japanese every day. If they can't discipline themselves to give at least 15 minutes to learn a language then topkek.

>>384110942
and you'll have spilled gallons of semen to hundreds of doujinshi that will never be translated

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>japan still has the 3rd largest economy and 10th largest population in the world
>people claiming the language will be "dead" in any of our lifetimes

>>384111157
Why do that when I'm with my ginger?

>>384110137
>commenting
You need to go back

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>>384111484
>>japan still has the 3rd largest economy and 10th largest population in the world
>>people claiming the language will be "dead" in any of our lifetimes

another japanese economic boom and market flood when?

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>have japanese gf
>sits on my lap and translates for me while we're playing
maximum comfy

If Muramasa gets translated by JAST I'm dropping Japanese.

I am learning Japanese and have remembered the 50 essential hiragana symbols, now I am going to learn the other extra stuff like yoon きゅ and dakuon が. The good thing is that I have 8 Japanese friends from my college club who help teach and/or correct me whenever I am writing or saying something wrong in Japanese. Life is pretty good desu.

While Japanese media( Anime, Manga, Video Games) is a major reason why I am learning the language, half of the reason is because I would like to speak with my friends in Japanese. I would also like to tour Japan someday during the cheap seasons.

>japenese is pronounced basically the same as french if you remove all the subtleties like silent letters, making it a simple string of simple syllables the french can pronounce effortlessly once they learn a word
>french uses 26 simple-to-write letters and 3 accents which always behave the same no matter which vowel they're on meaning you can very easily determine how to write them by hearing the word; and even if you're a foreigner or a shitter butchering a word a french person will understand what you mean
>japenese is a fucking clusterfuck of 5000 characters which are a pain to write and you have to memorize to convey any kind of meaning ever plus 2 other alphabets because why the fuck not?
How fucking hard is it to fix your alphabet? Even sandniggers did it
I can learn to understand any fucking language with a proper alphabet in 2 or 3 months but gook languages I might as well be reading enochian

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>>384111887
Mfw I can easily pronounce the words in Japanese because my first language is spanish

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>>384111887

It's easier than you think. I practiced Hiragana in 2 months and I already know the 50 essential hiragana characters. Here is the chart I used to practice. I would recommend setting 15 minutes of practice by writing 1-2 rows/ 3 times a day per week.

>>384111871
This post is pretty autistic.

>>384112076

Same right here dude! My first language is Spanish and pronouncing Japanese words is a breeze. The cool thing is I can turn on/off my English accent and instead use my Spanish accent which helps pronounce words better.

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>>384112157

In what way?

>>384112101
How's those 2000+ kanjis going?

>>384080680
Hiragana is vowels and consonant-vowel combinations to form words. You can make every japanese word in hiragana. It started out as literally a more "artistic" way to compose poetry. Before that, they just aped Chinese characters. Kanji are Chinese characters which have a variety of "readings" or meanings which you just have to understand.

>>384111887
I'm imagining a world where loanwords are written in hiragana, it's a dark and scary place.

>>384112101
Hiragana is not the problem, it's kanji

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I can speak German, Japanese women are all over me, thinks it's the coolest shit.

Why don't you learn German anons? It'll make your dick super huge in the eyes of gooks.

>>384093647

This is why you memorize your radicals.

>>384112362
I'm not learning Jap to impress anyone Karl

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>>384112259

I haven't reached the kanji part yet, my friend Yuki told me to master Hiragana then Katakana before going into Kanji. So hiragana is the priority at the moment.

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You could learn juggling for 3 years and it'll be more useful than jap

>>384083750
2500 and the possible combinations and readings of them. Good luck

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I hope nobody minds if I whip out my kanji dick in here

>>384112416
I didn't learn German to imrpess anyone either, it just opened a shit ton of opportunities since my country's biggest trade partner is Deutschland.

The peen boost is an added bonus.

>>384112101
>2 months for Hiragana

I'm sorry friend, but you should put a bit more effort in it if you want to make it big. Good luck!

>>384112519
What is this?

>>384112519
Don't you only need, like, fifty basic kanji to understand 80% of their written language?

>>384112362
Because German is an ugly language and the country is a cancer on the west.

Why does everyone here overvalue learning a specific # of Kanji. It's words that you should learn as those will actually help you understand the language

>>384112556
A grid generated by the flashcard program anki. Flash cards have words, words are made of kanji, my general understanding of each kanji can then be made into this chart by using the data from my retention of the cards

>>384112523
Anglais did this for me, might consider German since some anon said it's somewhat easier coming from Ingles

>>384112553

Thanks anon.

>>384112610
Sounds like somebody meme'd you. Even if that is correct though, 80% is a much lower rate than you might think, imagining running into a word you don't understand every 5 words.

>>384112248
I keep forgetting what させる does to verbs. And is 感じ a suru verb? And くれ is a shortened くれて? So it's something like "let me feel"?

>>384112417
You're just at the top of the iceberg then. Kanji is where the difficulty starts.

Kanjis are pronounced and the meaning is different based on if it's alone or next to another kanji. You will just need to learn all the meanings and how they are pronounced, there's no real shortcuts and there's 2000+ of them.

If you are actually going to do it I suggest learning them with radicals instead of strokes (you'll thank me later). Radicals are basically small kanjis that exist within the bigger and more difficult kanjis that makes remembering them a bit easier.

>>384111484
2 NUKES

>>384112756
感じ is a noun, 感じる is a verb. させる makes a verb into "make someone do" or let someone do".

>>384112615
You're not going to prepare yourself for when Austria makes anschluss out of Germany and the Alpenreich rises to power?

Jōyō kanji

2.136

>>384112756
And I'm pretty sure くれ is just a casual form of ください, it has nothing to do with くれる.

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I'm going to because it will be better than doing absolutely nothing i guess

Is there an android app I can use offline? Pls respond bb.

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Don't worry anons, as soon as I am proficient in Japanese I will translate manga and video games for you all. pic related, it's been in hiatus for a while.

>>384112756

I can't really say anon, I barely managed the 50 characters. I have not touched actual grammar or kanji.

>>384112769
Do you have a suggested chart I can use to learn?

>>384112963
AnkiDroid for grinding words

There's also various apps that use can use to learn the Kana and there's an Offline version of Tae Kim's grammar guide but it's annoying to use to quick-reference something.

>>384112834
Yeah, I'm remembering now thanks

>>384112871
Ah, I would not have made that connection. My non-textbook jap is non-existent. I thought kureru would be redundant in that sentence, so you must be right. Thanks

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I just don't know if it's worth it. I find the language spoken and written beautiful and it frustrates me that there is so much stuff out there in japanese that's untranslated and hard to auto-translate but is that reason enough to put in several hours a day of effort into learning the language?

When I don't plan on living there? When I am not into anime/manga/VNs? When I am not planning on doing any in-depth japanese studies?

Most of the worthwhile media gets translated anyways. But there just is this curiosity... the desire to play some obscure japanese games, to visit the japanese internet and see what they talk about, to watch some japanese tv shows no one would bother to translate...

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>>384112965
Have you memorized ga ba pa and so on? pic related

>>384112965
I'm personally learning them in a weird order because just studying by looking them in some chart is no good for me. I play games some japanese games, read manga etc and when I come across simple looking kanjis I don't understand I look it up and see what radicals are used in it, then study it and other kanjis that look the same or use the same radicals.

Site like kanjidamage may help (even if the puns are not good for remembering) the site does good job of splitting the difficult kanjis in radicals and so.

>>384080824
Most people already know 2 or more languages it's, unless you have some disability it's easy.

>>384111784
Stop lying on the internet?

>>384113138
Just have go at learning the Kana. It's basically a free demo of the real language and it will give you some hands-on experience.

If you don't feel like going further after a week then call it a day and stop. Just the little effort you'll put into it will massively change the way you'll look at the language. Besides that, the utility of reading very basic Japanese words and basically every name of video game characters can come in quite handy. It's better than nothing after all.

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>>384113243
I am just barely starting on that. It just slightly changes the 50 original characters, right? Haven't practiced it since my summer finals exams are in 1 week, but I will make sure to at least study an hour to memorize them. By the way, do you use flash cards to memorize the hiragana characters? If so, does it work?

>>384113275
Gotcha, I looked up some Kanji radicals and it seems pretty difficult.

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>>384112101
If it took you that long to learn hiragana it will take you ten years to learn kanji

>>384112965
>I barely managed the 50 characters.
Most people who aren't braindead learn kana in an afternoon. It's pretty crazy that you're bragging about that when you haven't even finished.

>>384079732
I actually have a learning disability.

Still trying but the writing keeps fucking me up.

>Anki STILL doesn't have a way to let you download shared decks directly from the software
It's shit.

>>384113587
I don't use flashcards I just write them a lot while I do other things. I might have to tweak that when I take up on kanji again.

>>384112610
Haha even when I was up to 900 kanji I couldn't read shit

>>384113759
Given you will be using, at absolute maximum, 2 pre-made decks for Japanese (one for kanji and one for core2k), this is hardly an issue.

The program being absolutely ass-backwards and designed by a fucking programmer with no idea how people typically use such programs is a far bigger issue. Figuring out what half the buttons do is a nightmare, thank god for rikai import.

>>384113601
like...this isn't even that difficult, but it's just so fucking dense to work through it. would take me about 30 mins to do this

>>384112101
>rarirurero
>la li lu le lo

>>384114026
Congrats, you figured out the joke. It only took you, what, 16 years?

>>384113930
I know, but it's just basic shit to have in such a program.
As you said,
>a fucking programmer with no idea how people typically use such programs
Flashcard learning sucks anyway.

>>384114195
Adding a browser is just more bloat for a program that should be small and simple. Is it that taxing to copy-paste the code?

>>384113674
>>384113728

Well to be fair, I just said 2 months on a whim, I don't really know exactly how long it took me to memorize the characters, but to be accurate, I learned a new row every 2 days so I probably learned it in 20 days.

Alright lads I need help
Core 6k or whatever it is called doesn't teach using radicals, while there's another deck I found which teaches radicals with mnemonics and it helps a lot. Do I use them both or ditch Core?

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>>384114281
>Adding a browser
Why the fuck would you need to add a browser?
Whoops, looks like it's already bloated anyway!

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>>384079732

>Most of the rest of the civilized world uses an alphabet/script to construct their words. Not the fucking gooks.

Actually, Gooks do use an alphabet. It's the Japs and Chinks that don't.

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>>384114390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE