>not becoming a Twitch streamer or a Patreon content maker

>>384001420
good luck when your view count decline in 2-3 years

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This is actually my dream

I might be autistic but I'm not that autistic nor is my mental health that bad.

Get a REAL job instead of whoring yourself out like a can girl

>>384001420
I'll tell you as a person that made videos that had 50-200k hits per despite only making a few videos, held one stream ever and had over 1k viewers, and easily could have gone on to make a living at this:
1. I value private life more than a pittance of money.
2. I see most YTers and streamers barely making money to cover costs, constantly begging, simply unable to crack into the level of popularity required to make money.
3. You are everyone's bitchboy and if you make a commitment and falter on it, fans will never let it go.
4. I easily get bored of games and stop playing them. This kills the autistic Let's Play viewership.
5. Do something or say something embarrassing on stream? Don't worry, people will make videos and never let go of it.
The people that stream every day, begging for money, eating ramen and McDonalds... that's not at all worth it to me. I'm not willing to go to that level of impoverishment to have my privacy invaded nonstop.

>>384001420
i would rather have the money to work a real job while continuing to treat vidya like a fun thing I enjoy doing on my downtime
>being obligated to play enough video games a day/week/month
sounds pretty unhappy for me.

>>384001420
>Come on, /v/. Why aren't you trying to get into an already oversaturated market

For every popular twitch streamer with over a 1000 regular views there are 100 with single digits.

i want to, but im paranoid my real life friends and family will see me when i have like zero viewers acting like a retard online.

>>384002425
>while continuing to treat vidya like a fun thing I enjoy doing on my downtime

This. I don't want to turn my downtime/relaxation time into work.

>>384001420
You'd just end up like DSP. Single and begging for money.

>>384001420
>go on twitch
>play videogames
>barely ever a single viewer
>in the event they're there, they join and invite me to their game/multiplayer
>say fuck it and join them because it's not like whatever I'm doing is entertaining anyone
>when I'm trying to stream, pretty much talking to myself because no one will ever watch my trash

Sadly your entire livelihood is based on the whims of an employer you have no contact with or control over.

When Youtube changed their formula, hundreds of thousands of people suddenly couldn't generate any revenue. They had to go out and find a real job with such wonderful credentials as "I spent the last 10 years playing video games"

Twitch is already being taken to court for not being taxed. Everyone one of today's e-celebs will find themselves out of a job sooner than you think, and will only be able to support themselves by going to conventions.

>>384002252
>Job pays money
>bbbut it's a real job

>>384002970
there were way too many youtuber becoming millionaires off of shit content, im pretty sure the ad agencies were tired of paying 16 year old clickbait channels thousands of dollars

>>384001420

>Becoming a cardboard cutout to appease a mere few thousand of braindead manchildren and children

My generation was a mistake, and so is the next.

>>384001420
>gives you tons of friends
No it doesn't. Money gets you a bunch of acquaintances who try to live vicariously through you and use you.

>money for doing nothing
It's not that easy. If you honestly think streaming is that easy then do it. Go ahead and show me the way to stardom.

Honestly, my biggest fear of streaming is turning into Serious Gaming. Those people are the literal scum of the planet. There's cable internet providers and then there's Serious Gaming. Those two need to walk off of the god damn planet.

>>384003236
>tfw the only good generation

I've lived in a world with and without internet, and taken the best of both.

>>384001420
The standards for streaming have risen. People either expect you to go on crazy outdoors adventures, play up a stupid comedy act, or be remarkably good at one game. The dull, everyday streamers who did nothing but casually play shit like GTAV and LoL are dying out.

You forgot a couple of things.

1) You have to be an autistic man-child who acts 12 and posts themselves on Livestremfails to build an audience.

2) Or, you can be an attractive female then nothing else matters. There's a girl who streams herself in a bikini and does handstands for subs. Or there's StPeach who just exists.

No one watches for gameplay anymore. Gaming has gone to shit and is controlled by corporate. IRL streams are the future and what people want to watch.

Also, SherrifEli is Ghost from TCR, I'm 1,000% positive.

>>384001420
It's a shallow profession.

>>384001420
>streaming in 2017
it's too late

>>384003274
I hope you're not implying Gen X got the best of a world without internet.

>>384001420
>tfw you recognize that the market is saturated and making it big is hard so instead you just have a comfy little stream with your gf male

>>384003127
This is what separates a job from charity. If you have a job, you own a piece of the company, you and your co-workers have influence.

With charity, they can take it all away. And you can't do anything. And nobody will support you. And instead of banding together like some sort of worker's union (god bless the NC for having half a fucking brain) it's a total dog eat dog scenario. yaaaay less competition for views! and lieks! yaaaaa

>>384003268
>Serious Gaming
How is this channel not banned? I honestly don't get it.

Pewdiepie is the only one making money. It started and ended with him.

Next best idea is to do an IRL stream in a shitty neighborhood and get into fights. Fighting will never get old and none of these beta streamers are doing it. Only problem is building a fan base before you get banned for fighting.

1. Be a cam girl and get 5k viewers average after 5 min of streaming
2. Be a decent gamer and get 5k viewers average after building fanbase for over 5 years

>>384003838
One won't switch at the drop of a hat.

>>384003834
sounds like a good way to spend a lot of time in jail.

>>384003838
Camgirls don't get nearly that much in terms of viewership. Most of them are usually funded by 1 or 2 donators who are in love with them and think they're buying affection online.

Look at KittyPlays. This girl makes fucking bank off of one fucking loser called UrStunning. This dude donates 5 figures every single month to her.

There is no shortage of lonely losers online who think they're buying a friend. I envy camgirls on Twitch. They can make money without having to take their clothes off and just talking to their chat. If I could harness that power, I would quit web development in a heart beat. Instead, I spend my day dealing with project managers (who are mostly females that have no clue what they're doing - yay diversity in tech) and web designers who design websites based on their feels rather than logic.

>>384003834
Where may I view some of this supposed entertainment? nothing too gruesome, I'm squeamish.

>>384002418
>3. You are everyone's bitchboy and if you make a commitment and falter on it, fans will never let it go.
This is the worst part of it to me. How's the story go?
>This pub, this very pub we're just sitting in. I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Pubmaker? Naa! See the wall over there, that protects our town? I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Wallmaker? And the bridge, you know, that crosses our river, I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Bridgemaker? But I tell ya, man! YOU FUCK ONE GOAT!
To be fair as an e-celeb this could theoretically give you a lot more viewers too. Real roll of the dice. I imagine the majority of the time it's actually quite shitty for them though.

The main problem with Twitch is how inconsistent they are with their rule enforcement. Being a new streamer has to be utterly fucking terrifying because they'll ban you for anything.

Meanwhile, this tit streamer has a nipple slip and gets a 24 hour warning. Their staff is filled with fucking losers like Hassan who follow all the cam girls and make sure they never get in trouble.

One girl had a literal camel toe camera setup on stream and the PR head of Twitch defended her. Twitch is a fucking joke. Their staff is biased as fuck and they're so inconsistent on how they handle people who violate their own ToS.

Serious Gaming as mentioned earlier in this thread is like DaddyoFive with cats instead of kids showcasing domestic abuse, scams and drunk diving but no action has been taken. One streamer opens a link that turns into a cock though and BAN.

>>384001420
Those things require personal investment and being consistent as well as editing skills, graphic skills and digital marketing if you want to succeed more quickly.

In short, it requires effort and it's a long time investment since the first year you won't get any views and making quality content plus marketing it is incredibly hard and in the worst cases you won't succeed in the first years. Once you crack it you are set for life but it's just not appealing as working a normal job.

>>384004269
Because Alan & Vic (Serious Scumbags) have friends at Twitch. Alan has been streaming for over a decade and knows a lot of staff members. The channel is a train wreck that makes you feel better about yourself. I hope they never get banned so we can watch the first mental break down and homicide on Twitch.

>>384004269
Politics exist in every career. People kiss ass, management is biased everywhere, not just on Twitch. This is a rule of life. It's not fair but if you want to get ahead, you have to play it.

>>384004027
Im talking about those neighborhoods where people don't call the police and fighting is an everyday thing. But you're right, someone watching the stream will call the cops on you.

>>384004158
I don't know, I don't think there is any live stream fights except boxing and MMA which bring in millions.

It's a risky idea but it would work. Best way to get views from people who wouldn't call the cops is to shill on 4chan. There's no denying that you would have 5000+ viewers ready to see you beat down or get beat down. In fact I should probably make the website myself.

Speaking of Twitch, anyone else watch this autistic dumbass in Japan? This has to be the first American in history who went to Japan for weeks and couldn't get laid. How the fuck do you strike out with Japanese women? It's seriously like playing with the net down. I think Reckful is his name. I just can't even.

>>384004269
They won't ban streamers with a huge amount of viewers because that will hurt the income of the website.

>>384004413
This.

Being famous must suck.

>>384002252

What exactly is a "real job"?

>>384004650
you mean the ghetto? probably not worth the risk of getting shot or stabbed on live stream for a handful of $5 donations. I don't even want to imagine how stream sniping would work for that kind of channel.

>>384004898
One that's part of a worker's union.

>>384004760
Judging by his history, Reckful is a thirsty nigger but not thirsty enough to get a leech as gf unlike people such as hotshotgg and dyrus

>>384004948
pffft okay

>>384004898
One that requires years of personal development, training and commitment to obtain.

>>384005013
he already has some girl from hooters in america. i doubt he cares about some mongoloid asian girl

>>384003268
Clue me up on Serious Gaming, I have no idea who they are.

>>384004936
Yes but assuming you have some size and street knowledge and a gang of buddies hiding from the camera but still in view of potential criminals.

And i truly believe the donations would be bigger. It's a high risk but high payout. Streamers get $5 - $10 donations for pretending to be scared on horror games, just imagine the donations for real life horror.

Defiantly couldn't bring expensive cameras. Stream sniping would suck balls.
>Some kids sends in the footage of you bashing cunts to cops
>Says you have a gun
>Cops know you're violent, looking for trouble and "armed"
>Shot on sight
You would have to be moving constantly while blocking street signs and land marks.

Best way would be to start your own website, shill it on 4chan a week before the stream to avoid moral fags and then quickly take the website down once the stream has ended and you have the donations pocketed.

People love violence and will pay heaps to see it.

>>384001420
>not learning how to draw and commissioning from furries

>>384004783
>What is ice poseidon

I've never really been one for streaming or vlogs or whatever, but what did YouTube change that made them all into needy Patreon beggars?

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You honestly don't make that much with a million views a month, really need 10 mil or more to get good bucks these days.

>>384005024
Without it, tomorrow you could be on the street. Every day of your life.

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>>384006270

Christ. How is Ashens not on the streets, he doesn't even have a Patreon and he's been "full time" for years.

>>384006331
Not likely considering I have marketable skills and save my money

>>384006419
>Ashens
He had 5 million views last month, so he earned anywhere between 1.5 -3k depending on video lenght,

>>384006529

So about £2300-1200 or so, which he would then get taxed on in the UK. It's a living I guess but not one you could get a decent mortgage or car with.

>how to get rich on twitch
1. Be entertaining
2. Have a regular schedule
3. Play new games

>>384004037
>This dude donates 5 figures every single month to her
Fuck, man

>>384006760
4. Not be ugly
5. Voice of a 12 year old.

"stream" culture and "co-op multiplayer" culture in general disgusts me.

>>384006419
Dude's a class act, I met him at the Nintendo Switch reveal event here in the UK

He's a pretty normal bloke, he also makes a lot of money off of web design

>>384002418
>Measly 200k hit videos
>Only 1k stream viewers
>Easily could have gone into making a living at this

PFFFAHAHAHAHA what a delusional moron

>>384004037
>5 figures
>Minimum $10,000

wtf does he know he can buy sex with that much money? probably even off her. What a sucker.

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>>384004037

>Look at KittyPlays. This girl makes fucking bank off of one fucking loser called UrStunning. This dude donates 5 figures every single month to her.

https://www.twitter.com/urstunning2

What the actual fuck? He could buy a hooker every night and have change left over. Nothing strange as folk.

>>384001420
I'm fucking uninteresting as a human bean, and I don't think there's a market for people who struggle to perfect 7.5 star songs in Project Diva.

>>384006820

Yeah, It's not the kind of thing I expected when I was a kid thumbing through the PlayStation magazines at the newsagents. I got bored watching my mates play games, waiting for them to die so it was my turn, never mind actually going out of my way to donate people money to scream into a webcam whilst playing something.

I'd rather work for one asshole I know than for thousands of assholes that I've never seen the face.

>>384007049
She is pretty cute

>>384006909

Doesn't surprise me, a couple of months ago he became the first ever person I've actually subscribed to on YT, bloke seems like a decent chap. Not a fan of anything but his main channel though, the people he works with on other stuff aren't even funny and are the worst examples of "geek™" marketing culture.

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>>384001420
>become a empty shell shill for corporate buckaroos
or
>stream with common interest bros on friday night mother fuckers

happiness or dying on the inside. its your choice kiddo.

>>384007448
wtf she's average as they come. Defiantly not worth thousands in donations. Even with all that makeup she's a solid 5. $500 hookers are better looking.

>>384001420
Despite how easy you think it is, you need to have some sort of personality if you want a cult following to get a constant stream of money.

>>384007703
>a solid 5
I'm feeling more a light 8 honestly

>>384001420
I'd rather keep my dignity

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I streamed before it was cool, in 2007. Played through Battletoads on emulator just to prove that it could be done. That was fun.

>>384002418
Tell me more about privacy stuff. Can't you just wear a mask assuming your audience would still like you just the same? Or do crazy fans find a way to stalk you?

>>384007836
But would you donate $10,000 to her assuming you had the money urstunning has? (lets say a million)

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I CAN'T A SINGLE DIME. TRYING TO BECOME AN E-CELEB WAS A MEME

>>384007949
Who said anything about a facecam?
You can be entertaining without it.

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>>384007994
sure why not?

>>384007949
>privacy
>on the internet

never do face cam. never show your room. never have personal things in shot/talk about personal life.
if someone wants to find you they can do it with relative ease.

hey guys anybody wanna watch my mixer stream?

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>>384007836
How is this a light 8?

>>384004898
Something that makes you miserable.

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im kind of a big deal

>>384008073
damn anon, you could probably buy her for $10,000 why give it to her for free? She's not even a 10 to you just a measly 8.

>>384007994
Life is truly unfair, they make money for doing nothing, I barely have time to play videogames, why

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>mfw i work on the art for a porn game patreon and it's paying better than full studios work did

>>384001420
I don't want attention! Everyone will be looking at me!

>>384007797

I dunno, everytime I check out Twitch to see if I'll get the appeal I'll check out the top streamers and they're akways the most boring person I've ever seen. Maybe one or two have had the personality to keep hours long streams interesting, but most could have been replaced by a helium balloon of a Spongebob and it would be a notable improvement.

This only works if you have a likable personality.

>>384004898
One where you leave the house.

>>384001420
Sadly I'm not a grrrrllll gamer that can just flaunt her tits towards the camera to scam some thisty losers out of their neetbux so I would actually have to produce content. Say what you want about ecelebs, most of them at least have to put in some effort.

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>tfw comfy 7000+ viewer Minecraft moon stream

>>384011668
moon? as in the WC3 player?

>>384001420
it aint happening again, if you are already big on twitch you are set, if not forget it.

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>>384007949
Only works for certain formats and if you're very clever in your approach. If you let's play or really anything vodka, people want a face. Movie reviewers and the like can get away with it, but they've generally gotta resort to an avatar of sorts, a la I Hate Everything

>>384012794
Vidya. Subtly and subconsciously revealing my alcoholism

>>384008161
Those granny cheeks

>>384008161
he didn't define the scale size, anon

>>384001743
That would be fucking fine if I had just one solid year of fame.
Someone doesn't need to last the marathon to be successful, you just need a strong sprint.

>>384008510
I made a video when YouTube was in its early days of a literal slideshow of cat pictures (like 2005) and you could use programs to simulate views if you knew how to do it. It now sits around 350k views and I'd bet only about 1,000 people have seen it
So I am too.

Being a twitch streamer is infinitely harder than being a Youtuber, you can at least edit your way on the videos and shill them on reddit.

Being a streamer is miles harder because the market is saturated and to be seen you have to be funny, entertaining AND good, no one will even bother with you if you suck at the game.

OP, no one on here has a likeable personality. Or big tiddies.

>>384002970
The way I see it this e-celeb thing is a stepping stone and that's it. You can land yourself some really good opportunities by doing this influencer thing and move on from there.

>>384014254
On the other hand, making one hour of quality Youtube content requires a whole metric assload of hours, meanwhile streaming comes in close to a 1:1 ratio of time spent vs. content produced.

I have started trying to stream. Only did it twice but it's breddy good so far

>>384001420
No thanks I don't want to be a clown for the internet.

Why bother with vidya? Political punditry is where it's at. Take a look at that nitwit Jordan B. Peterson's Patreon, the aut-right is showering him with money.

>>384014254
>no one will even bother with you if you suck at the game.

Very incorrect. It's about making them believe you' have a voice about the games you play and not actually being skilled at them.

>>384015925
Just checked, 55 fucking K a month? holy shit.

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I value a private life, and I'd much rather have a more stable source of income from traditional employment while keeping vidya as a hobby.

Because I'm an electrical engineer.
I actually do something that contributes to society instead of being a mouthbreather that needs to make the same jokes on stream every day to make ends meet.

>>384016305
That's Canadian $'s

55k of those amounts to around $12.48

>tfw no viewers on my stream

>>384016670
Too bad you'll die without anyone remembering your name.

>>384007949
Facecam isn't essential to build an audience, that's just a meme. It does help, however, to have an avatar of sorts for branding. I wouldn't say it's exclusive to movie or rant channels like what >>384012794 says.

Entertainment means different things to different audiences. You've got to have a schtick -- what's entertaining to one audience isn't to another. You could have the personality of a rock and still get a loyal following. I scratch my head at a lot of e-celebs because of this. Different folks, different strokes, I guess.

>>384016879
Who gives a shit? If you're dead, you're dead.

>>384016879
???
So?
Do you think people will remember e-celeb #584839 known for streaming LoL 24/7?

>>384001420
I dont' know how to market myself. :(

>>384016879
>caring about strangers remembering you

you'll be dead, sport. what sort of incentive is this?

>>384016305
That's on top of that sweet sweet professor salary

>>384007949
Your parents will recognize you from the voice lol

>>384017212
You do what you like and get attention, or die trying
That's the spirit

>>384017684
Is that actually any good?

>>384016879
Why is fame so important? A wife and kids who love you, and a family who'll remember you is good enough in my eyes

>>384017083
You'll be alive longer the more people remember you after your death

>>384016305
And all that just spouting spouting dumbass opinions. It's easier and cheaper than even playing vidya. Fuck, we all do this in here pro bono all day long.

>>384016798
I'm looking at creator lists and it looks like everyone has the same indistinct "$" prefix. I'm guessing Patreon automatically converts the sums to dollars now.

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>>384017946
>you'll be alive after your death

I just want to see how the future of 90% of famous streamers/ytbers will be.

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>tfw too dumb to stream
>tfw too dumb to work at mcdonalds

wake me up.

I'm currently building a few very small games to get some good art, programming and music skills in with the eventual goal to start making some kind of porn game. People love porn games, so I'm pretty sure I'll make some decent buck and even if I don't, I'm still gaining skills I'll need anyway.

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>>384018342

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>>384018421
>tfw too intelligent to stream

>>384017802
In America professor's get like $80k yearly probably much more if they're ivy league. Not sure about Canada.

>>384001420
>people praise you everyday and will defend you to the death
I want twitch arena so fanboys can fight each other and nud- handsome gladiators sweeting

>>384001420
>Come on, /v/. Why aren't you an e-celeb?

I have self respect and a well paid job that makes something useful for the world.

>>384002970
>When Youtube changed their formula, hundreds of thousands of people suddenly couldn't generate any revenue. They had to go out and find a real job with such wonderful credentials as "I spent the last 10 years playing video games"
It's the opposite, the let's players started raking in the dough when YoutTube changed their policy, while animators and life bloggers basically lost their livelihood over night.

>>384001420
I currently make 95k/year.

How many subscribers would I need to make about that on Youtube?

>>384020652
Not with the latest change, they don't. With the latest algorithm changes, basically nobody makes any dosh anymore and for most people on there, Youtube is practically an afterthought and advertising. Hell, I'm sure a bunch of them have already started demonetizing their videos because they make their money through brand deals and patreon anyway and demonetizing their shit gets them out of most of the horseshit with content claims.

>>384007049
Judging from his twitter, he supports over 18 different female streamers.
But he's a streamer himself, and he has a daughter, is this how he money-launders?

>>384003417
>tfw my sister tried to talk me into becoming a let's player back in 2011.
I'm much too autistic to actually make decent content, but sometimes I wonder how my life would have been different if I'd actually listened to her.

I am neither charasmatic or a girl so it wouldn't go anywhere.

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>>384007836
Just checked Twitter and got the first pic of her I could find. She's somewhere between a 6 or 7. I live in Los Angeles, go to a big public uni, and actually go outside often though. If you live somewhere with ugly women and/or you don't go out often to places with college aged women, then I could see why you'd call her an 8. Same thing with most Twitch whores. Sssniperwolf is somewhere between a 6 and 8, which is a big range, but it depends entirely on what pictures of her I see, so I'd guess on the lower end in person desu.

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>>384008510
>>384014210
>tfw the YTMND I made 10 years ago has over a hundred thousand views
>it has a typo in the title

I can at least say I made something on the internet that got over 100k views.

>>384001420
The e-celeb decline will happen when these fuckers are 50 and kids don't want to watch them anymore, and whatever patrons they did have will drop like flies when they run out of material

>>384021173
Ah, I was thinking of the change that happened back in 2012. I didn't know there were any major policy changes beyond that. It makes sense, though, as contrary to popular belief YouTube has practically never made money, and logically it follows that their partners' incomes would reflect that.

I think of this as more of a "return to norm" than anything else.