Wait a second wouldn't the Tyrants be attracted to all the

Who would win?

All the tyranid hive fleets Vs. the entire Ork species

No one cares about NPC races.

>>383997552
They'd just stalemate forever as the Orks continue to reproduce and the Tyranids use the dead Orks to do the same thing. Unless the Doom of Malan'tai came in or something but even then the Orks would just get some equal force to tie with so the space marines can come in and save the day

>>383997426
Leviathan just got wrecked, well after buttfucking Blood Angels' ass so hard that Girlyman and their sworn enemy bailed their collective assess out.

There's a new hive fleet popping out anyway: Hydra.

>>383997552
Do the planetoid sized orks get to tag along?
I never hear any news about those guys.

>>383997697
How? From what i read, nids had so many invading and they adapted so fast, it would be impossible to stop them. Unless they are just blowing up every planet they infect now

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>>383997818
The largest ork ever canonically was supposedly the size of a Scout titan.
Pick for reference.
Anything larger is just fan fiction.

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>>383998017
Is it fanfiction though?
I don't read fanfic stuff and I could have sworn I read something about them somewhere, then again I haven't played since second edition
and I have only looked up some pdf files of newer stuff.

>>383997426
They should be, but GW probably forgot about them in favour of all the drama within the Imperium.
Besides, nobody cares really. Nids make a good adversaries for single, self contained stories, but aren't really that interesting in the large galaxy scale. "They're coming to eat us, we can't stop them and we're basically fucked!" thing got boring a long time ago, especially when everyone knows it's not going to happen anyway.

>>383998228
>They're coming to eat us, we can't stop them and we're basically fucked!

The Tau can just skirmish them away :^)

But I agree, they work better in space hulk-esque settings.

>>383998120
Theoretically orks can grow forever.
But fev acualy survive long enough.
Because they only grow if they fight.
And supposedly as long as they fight they cant die of old age.

>>383997426
So on the latest fluff lets see if Ive got this right.

Cadia went kaboom
Eye of terror is getting bigger
Gullyman is back thanks to imperials and a new Eldar faction.
Eldar faction follows their death god and has troops from almost every other Eldar groups including Dark Eldar.
Commoragh is getting kinda fucked because of a Slaanesh invasion.
Gullyman made new type of Space Marines that are bigger and stronger.

Anything else?

>>383998120
>oaks

so is the emperor dead?

>>383998017

>orks can be larger than 24mm

wow, now I can 3D print large ones

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>>383997949

You reckoned without the awesome power of shit writing.

>>383999240

You're a bit over the place.

Cadia exploded, yes.

Eye of Terror cracked the entire galaxy in half. Now there's a giant warp rift splitting right through the middle. Stuff to the north of it is the Dark Imperium; millions of worlds cut off for the past 120 years. You can cross the Great Rift but its extremely risky.

Girlyman got healed by the Ynnari, yes.

Ynnari are the new Eldar faction after Eldrad tried to wake up the god of the dead early to trigger the final destruction of Slaanesh.

Commoragh got invaded by daemons but then the Mandrakes were unleashed. Currently huge sections of the Dark City are controlled by them.

Girlyman didn't directly create the nu-marines, that's Bellisarius Cawl who's been working on them for the past 10,000 years under Gulliman's orders to create a new type of Space Marine more resilient to the corruption of Chaos. Cawl however is taking things pretty far; he's made Primaris Marines out of ALL the geneseed he has access to, including Traitor Legions and the 2 expunged legions. He's also built himself an AI, an actual full-on AI. Gulliman says that Cawl may become a problem that needs to be dealt with later. It's an interesting development.

Apart from that, we don't know a huge amount else. Daemons showed up on Armageddon and turned half the planet into a Chaos waste, forcing Orks and Guard to fight side-by-side. But Angron's summoning was interrupted so he never showed up. Oh, and Death Guard are attacking Ultramar.

>>383999426
Depends
Are you a filthy heretic?

>>384000269
>and the 2 expunged legions
They still had gene seed from those two lying around?

>>384000361

Apparently. Cawl doesn't understand why Gulliman thinks this is a BAD IDEA.

>>383999859
Ka'Bandha basically fucked them because he didn't want anyone but himself to destroy the Blood Angels?

>>384000556
Does Cawl know why they were expunged? I assume Gulliman does, so he should probably tell him or something.

>>384000361
There is everything somewhere on Mars, if you know where to look for it.
You know those cellars where people just stash whatever they don't need at the moment instead of getting rid of it and the junk just keeps piling up over the years up to the point when when you actually need something from there you can't even enter the damn cellar because it's blocked by a barricade of agglomerated trash, let alone find what you're looking for?
Mars is something like that, but on a planetary scale

>>383998120
>Is it fanfiction though?
No. It's called the Beast and it nearly raped the Imperium of Man.

It was so powerful it actually caused Orkz to evolve, put the base under the future clan systems Orkz these days operate, made attack planets (opposed to Ghazzy's attack rocks).

Also there was no single Beast, but multiple individuals of the same size and power. And the sizes were indeed large. And also indeed the Imperial Fists fighting him mistook him for a small titan.

>>383999324
damn it now I can't unsee

>>384000727
>Mars is something like that, but on a planetary scale
And also filled with lethal stuff. At least you won't be attacked by God-Emperor knows what heretical rogue AI in the cellar. Mars have these in the deepest parts.

>>383999426

extremely

>>384000334

just asking makes him 1000% corrupted

>>383997818
Supposedly they got hunted down during the early years back when the primarchs were still around, they may exist outside of the galaxy but that's speculation at this point.

>>384000789
Sounds like the best way to deal with them would be to lure them onto a planet and just exterminatus it.

>>384001074
Nah they just had the Sisters of Silence kill him with some until then non-existant ritual they can apparently do to kill anyone at all but have never used since.

>>384001224
Nah. They were too intelligent. To the point they even had ORK DIPLOMATS.

The only reason they got killed was that the Deathwatch was created specifically to fight them. Oh and that they even got Vulkan back only for him to die seemingly.

>>384001327
>ORK DIPLOMATS.

all orks are diplomats

>>384001374
But could they construct non-Cockney and articulated sentences and hit the High Lords of Terra right in their pride?

The ones the Beasts had did. AND HOW.

>>384001327
Isn't Vulkan immortal or something similar? I can't remember the fluff word they use for it.

>>383999324
That's how you pronouce it anyway.

>>384000269
>AI

Oh that's neat, we never get to hear enough about the men of iron and the dark age of technology in 40k.

How the fuck did a guy work on that shit for 10,000 years? Is everyone in 40K immortal?

>>384001814
Yeh. Important people at least.

>>384001814
No one (important) ever dies of old age in 40k.

>>384000269
>He's also built himself an AI
But didn't he build it out of his own brain so it was technically ok?

>>384001476
Perpetual.

>>384001476
Vulkan is, like the emperor, a perpetual.They have "effective immortality" through rapid regeneration.

>>384001814
He's mostly machine.

>>384001982
>through rapid regeneration.
Doesn't seem to be working out all that well for Emps.

>>383998120
Fuck, I miss the old artwork for W40K. They somehow perfectly balanced campy cartoony and grim & gritty shit so well.

>>383999426
The Emperor cannot be dead. Without the emperor, humans would not be able to travel safely through the warp.

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>>384002041
Yeah the artwork was more fun.

>>384002037
The Emperor is godly and is feared by the chaos gods. Wouldn't surprise me if they're doing all they can to prevent the emperor from healing. Even Horus,the greatest chaos champion, infused with the power of the chaos gods was STILL felled by the emperor; his souls completely erased from both the warp and materium.

>>384002257
Literally everyone back in the day traced shit

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>>384002041
>They somehow perfectly balanced campy cartoony and grim & gritty shit so well.

They didn't balance anything, it was simply heavy metal art done by comic book artists.
It feels unique solely because the amount of European shit in the entertainment market dropped rapidly by now so European comics and music genres are almost unknown to the 90s kids, which is the main 4chan audience.

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WE nostalgia now

>>384002593
>the greatest chaos champion, infused with the power of the chaos gods

Well, that's how the Emperor got his power too.

>>384002992
Is that the Mistress from Oglaf there.

>>383997426
That seems like a question better suited for /tg/.

>>384003198
isn't his power his own and he just used the one from the chaos gods to create the primarchs?

>>383999426

No. He is on an incredibly advance life support system that keeps his brain functioning. Canonly I think the only parts of him that still work are his right eye and brain. Everything else is a literal rotting corps.

>>384003709
Maybe. I'm sure at one point it was implied that he was the chosen champion of the Chaos gods like Horus but somehow tricked them into giving all the power with none of the downsides and then just told them to fuck off. Thinking it about it, that might just be their story of what happened though.

>>383998324
The sky will turn black with tyranids how the fuck you gonna skirmish that

>>384003970
But if he dies he will be reborn right?
Or has the star child theory been debunked?

>>384004094
Not sure if it's explicitly mentioned anywhere. As far as I remember it from the Horus Heresy novels, Emps went to the Chaos god to get some power from them. He then used at least part of it to create the Primarchs (it's why he could only make a limited amount of them).

He seemed to have not fulfilled his end of the bargain though. Or maybe part of the bargain was to let the chaos gods scatter the primarchs - because he was present when they did it but did not intervene. He actually told Warmaster Horus, who was there thanks to Chaos time fuckery, to not interfere with it either.

>>384004216
If he dies the Empire has a huge problem because the warp hole that Magnus has torn on Terra would reopen.

So letting him die is not really a valid option for them.

why don't they just rebuild the emperor's body?

>>384004482
Creating new technology is forbidden. Seriously.

>>384004273
Ah yeah, that's a better source than what I was thinking of. To be fair though, you can't trust anything in the HH novels that the Emperor or any Chaos god/proxy says. It seems like they had at least an understanding if not an alliance at some stage but clearly there was some sort of falling out because now the Chaos gods hate the Emperor more than anything else, even more than they hate each other.

>>384004482

he's fine, heretic. just needs a lil' rest.

>>384004326
But the reborn emperor would surely protect?

Havent touched any 40k books in a while since Dan Abnett went AFK. How is HH these days? The last one Ive read was Vangeful Spirit, any good ones got released after that?

>>384004609
Yeah, most of the stuff in the HH novels can't be taken at face value.
But I think the part where it is mentioned that Emps somehow attained part of their power and then didn't fulfill his end of the deal is real. We just don't know what exactly he did with it and what his part of the bargain was.

>>384004687
That's assuming that he would be reborn, and assuming that he would be reborn quickly enough to fix things before it's too late.

Not something they can really risk.

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>>384004216
Most in power are not willing to risk it, least of all the High Lords.

It might be Cypher's plan to ice the corpse of the Emperor to allow for just that to happen, though.

>>384004687
There would be no time for him to get reborn, the second his ass gets off the throne or the throne gets shut off, it's game over

>>384004841
maybe they could risk it once they got a couple more primarchs back

>>384004732
The webway stuff is what really upset them right? The only way you can actually hurt them is to cut off their contact with real space after all, fighting them just makes them stronger.

so, what about that prophecy that one loyalist will turn traitor and one traitor will return to the emperor's light?

>>384004938
Rowboat kinda fucked Cypher over recently.

>>384004980
didn't it all turn out well for cypher anyway, like it always does? because being fucked over by the other side is always part of his plan?

>>383999240
>Commoragh is getting kinda fucked because of a Slaanesh invasion.

So instead of pasty cenobites torturing prisoners, you got pasty cenobites torturing and being tortured by pink cenobite titty monsters.

>>384004964
The Lion

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>>384004776
This guy's idea is better.

when will we know the last 2 primarchs identities though

>>384005248
never

>>384005089
is that an inquisitor harlequin?

Can someone fill me in on the latest happenings? I know the Primaris marines are a thing now, Cadia fell and the gate of Khaine got fucked up.

>>384005248
Probably never.
The reason we don't know anything about them is so that the players can make shit up about them for their games.

>>384005089
>that rad coat
It's good to see that 40k still occasionally goes back to its roots

>>384005248

the final primarch is you

And Roboute is not too happy with the state of the Imperium.

>>384004538
muh age of strife

>>384005248
Quite a few years back they tossed around the idea of a female Primarch being one during a panel but there was no market for it. It would probably trigger neckbears here too anyway.

>>384005286
>>384005337
It's a Harlequin's coat. The book hanging form his shoulder is the Atlas Infernal; a map of the Eldar webway.

>>384004482
the emperor's psysiology is far beyond that of spess muhreens, and the imperium still hasnt figured out how the emprah even made THEM. His body and the Golden Throne are far too complex for anyone to really understand or properly fix.

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You're having mindbending sex with a daemonette in the local slaaneshi den when this guy kicks in the door with his squad. What do?

>>384005465
That would be a bit silly I guess. I'm surprised they've never bothered to introduce more female miniatures for the Imperial Guard though, there are plenty of women in the books and other fluff.

>>384005719
I quickly contact 2000AD and inform them of an urgent case of IP infringement in progress.

>>384005465
Considering that Space Marines are transhumans that basically have their memory scrapped and replaced with nothing but indoctrination (at least most chapters) it wouldn't really matter anyway.

The Sorotitas are a much better solution for that.

>>384005465
But isn't a female space marine (and by that logic, a primarch) literally impossible due to some of the implants rejecting female physiology?

>>384002992
>>384003189
>>384002257
I wish more stuff had that late 80's/90's vibe.

>>384005465
girls are yucky, no girls allowed

>>384005998
They reject it because their gene father was male.
If they had a female primarch, they could probably have female Muhreens.

But the primarchs were made from Emp's DNA so you would run into the same in-universe explanation for why it's not possible again.

>>384005998
Also because the point of them is for them to be physically the best next to the emp and women are inferior to men physically. It literally makes no sense.

>>384005821
There always seem to be loads of women, especially as officers, in the Imperial Navy.

>>384005719
>tfw no SWAT-like game starring the Adeptus Arbites

>>384006226

That's because Janeway is the first character who comes to mind when you imagine a starship captain who would order an orbital strike on a defenceless planet.

>>384006470
On the subject of 40k video games, is Space Hulk Deathwing shit? I get the general impression that it's shit.

>>384006640
From what I heard it's at least not as good as people had hoped for.

>>384006969
That sucks.

Seems to be no luck with Space Hulk video games. Space Hulk: Ascension is actually pretty good but no one ever noticed it and then some fuck ups with patches upset the people who were playing it.

>>383997818
>>383998017
>>383998120
The biggest Orcs ever were the Beast(s) and the one Horus killed on Ullanor. They were not as big as a Warhound, but they were still fuck huge as they both towered over the primarchs.

>>384001327
They weren't too intelligent, the only reason why the Imperium didn't Exterminatus Ullanor was because they decided they needed to see the Beast die in person.

>>384002037
The Emperor can supposedly rebirth himself, but it's canon he doesn't want to. He is the only thing keeping the Chaos Gods away. If he dies, then Chaos will literally tear apart reality and replace it with pure Chaos. The only way that can be avoided is if the Emperor survives long enough for humanity to evolve and unlock their psychic potential. Untill humanity is strong enough to keep the Warp at bay by itself, the Emperor has to cling to life.

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Cawl is a heretek.

>>384006640
its ok but its got virtually no replay value.

>>384007298
Ah, so it's like an old style single player fps campaign?

>>384007724
its a 4 player co-op game where every time you play through the same mission, taking the same route, fighting the same predictable AI with the same scripted events.
You unlock stuff as you make your way through the level so youre probably spending most of your time not using the weapon you want. it isnt really progression since you dont get to keep any of your stuff.

Once you've explored the map a few times there's no reason to ever go back. After 2-3 runs through a map I had more or less seen it all.

>>383997552
What do you think the Tyranids are running from?

>>384007883
Bad AI sounds dreadful for a Space Hulk game.

The reason the board game works so well is that the Genestealers are player controlled rather than just a horde who rush in mindlessly.

>>384008068
Starvation

>>384007195
Kelbor-Hal was right.

>>383997426
Is there an official explanation of all the fucking changes? The Dark Imperium "novel" explains fuck all. Fucking GW.

>>384005465

Could work if the Adeptas Sororitas would have a secret female Primarch as the origin.

fantasy>40k

prove me wrong

pro tip: you can't

>>384008670
Don't you mean Age of Sigmar?

>>384008670
i preferred the old fantasy lore, dark elves were so cool

>>384008670
I like both.

The Skaven are probably my favourite GW thing though.

>>384008789
There's still Total War at least.

>>384008642
But the Sororitas are regular humans. Plus, they were established millennia after the heresy.

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>>383999240
Cadia fell before the Cadians did

>>384008069
its not bad as much as it is predictable. Tyranids crawl from woodworks, try to attack. They dont really get stuck or anything but they dont have a lot of options open to them. Even with the mutants moving in and out of cover to try and shoot you.

You can always try it an get a refund

>>384001814
So did he start at warhammer 30k or is it currently warhammer 50k?

>>384009269
Yeah, I might get it when it's next on sale.

>>384009527
30k. I think the current year is something around 42100.

>>384007195
>Man and machine bot primaris marine
Fucking kek

>>384009012

So what? the fem-primarch can't produce her own spess mehrens so she forms her own religious militia from women instead.

>Success! We completely destroyed WHFB!
>What should we do now?
>Lets completely destroy WH40k too!
>Great idea!

Fuck the loud minority that kept whining for the the story/lore to 'advance.'

>>384000269
>including Traitor Legions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj5lDgV5PfY

>>384010896
More and bigger Space Marines is something a majority of people were in favour of I'd guess.

>>384010896

>Fuck the loud minority that kept whining for the the story/lore to 'advance.'

Nowhere as bad as Sigmar. Has way less retcons and they just advance the story the way they've been hinting during the hiatus anyway. Abaddon finally does something, Emperor and Guilleman finally do something. Eldar have a new god, Dark Eldar finally have a crisis of their own instead of just idling around in their Comorragh. Thats it.

Well except the new shiny super-Space Marines that will totally not replace the old ones. Oh, and Ultramarines are the best at everything again.

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>>384011162
I don't get why people have their panties in a twist over AoS, lorewise at least.

Archaon fucks up the Old World with the chaos gods cheering him on. Ultimate victory goes to Chaos, but Sigmar manages to flee the crumbling planet and begins anew elsewhere.

To ensure that Chaos will never again win by such a landslide, he takes matters into his own hands and creates a breed of warriors of his own, to combat the juiced up warriors of chaos. The cycle begins anew as the gods of chaos find their way to this new planet.

Lorewise, it all makes sense. If you are upset that your favorite race got shafted in the process, then that's understandable (though GW is offering ways to play any WHFB army in AoS).

All in all, the only reason I see to be mad at GW is the abysmal pace at which they are releasing actual rules for AoS. They are pushing out models by the truckload, but the game still lacks a centralized core rulebook.

>>384000269

Are the eldar and imperium working together openly now too?

>>384011717
Fuck off, Skubmar

>>384011717
People are upset because it's just 40k but with warhammer fantasy fluff

>>384012614
How is that? WHFB has always been about the struggle between Chaos and Order. Order just upped their game after losing a round.

>>384012614
Sigmarines look really cool though

>>384012782
Well, first and foremost:
>Sigmarines
Secondly, everything else.

>>383998570
There's nothing about the effect of old age on orks. The saying that no ork ever died of old age is because none of them want anything besides fighting, so they eventually die.

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>>384012860
>Sigmarines

So it's space marines when Order gets buff warriors in heavy plate armor, but it's not chaos space marines when Chaos does it? Is it just because chaos did it first or something?

>>384011717
>I don't get why people have their panties in a twist over AoS, lorewise at least.
Because AoS design and fluff-wise is soulless child of worst parts of 40k and WoW

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>>383997552
all that will be left will be tyranids, orks and necrons.

>imperium, eldar, and tau are all eventually overrun and exterminated
>chaos no longer exists because it needed them to survive
>final conflicts will be between immortal space terminators, british football hooligans and super zerg

>>384013270
i like it

>>384011717
>To ensure that Chaos will never again win by such a landslide, he takes matters into his own hands and creates a breed of warriors of his own, to combat the juiced up warriors of chaos
Because each warhammer fan loves Ultramarines, right?
>(though GW is offering ways to play any WHFB army in AoS
Except they are unplayable because AoS unbalanced as WHFB 8th edition or 40k 7th edition.
Not to mention ugliest art-style.

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Did he do anything wrong? Will he ever be redeemed?

>>384013527
implying the tau wont pull some anti psyker superweapon out of their butthole that can completely disrupt the hive mind connecting between synapse creatures

Pulling total horseshit like that is kind of their thing

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>>384013651
>Anything that is blue and golden is ultramarines

It's just one of the Stormcast groups that look like that in any case, and they are used in promotional material because they are the original host.

>>384013167
>Is it just because chaos did it first or something?
Because Warriors of Chaos fit their niche (fantasy ebil vikings) and their source (Moorcock multiverse).

>>384013908
They are still Ultramarines (aka worst SpaceMarines version)-Grey Knights (since one sigmarine easily humiliated Nurgle).

>>384014030
Why does Warriors of Chaos fit a niche but Warriors of Order doesn't (which the Stormhosts basically are)?

>>384014337
Because they represent wild might of Chaos, while Sigmarines represents what aspect of Order?

>>384011717

Problem is its just W40K with medieval skin. At least back when W40K became a thing, it was notably different from the Fantasy version, thanks to it taking tons of inspiration from 2000AD.

Now Fantasy lost the last shreds of its own identity it had. Even if GW would've made the new Fantasy look and feel like Witcher and Game of Thrones because they are the biggest fantasy things right now, I would've been more interested than right now which is just GW being inspired by GW.

>>384002990

Lol they do this shit even more now.

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>>384013653
>whined like a bitch during nikea
>fucked up the golden throne
>made a deal with chaos
>did jackshit during the heresy
>did jackshit up until activating the portal
Even by chaos standards that lazy cunt just trolled the space wolves until recently. The newest thing redeemed him for chaos but up until then he was a colossal failure.
I still like him tho

>>384014570
>with fantasy skin.
fix

>>384001982
No they are literally immortal.

As in, they can't rebuild themselves from their constituent atoms.

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>new patch comes out
>its just skins and a new map
>no badly needed balance changes at all
>oh and the game drops to 30 fps frequently now because of last patch

they patched it and it literally broke the game

has a 40k game ever JUSTed this hard? and its so sad because it has very well made assets and has huge potential to be actually good but it just keeps shitting itself

>>384014747

>has a 40k game ever JUSTed this hard? and its so sad because it has very well made assets and has huge potential to be actually good but it just keeps shitting itself

Thats what happens when you only listen to forum fanboys saying "everything is fine!" when everyone else from veteran DoW fans to casuals say the game is shit.

>>384014468
They are the immovable object to the unstoppable force of Chaos.

>>384014747
I really hope they don't abandon it and try to fix the stuff because in a few years it could be great

>>384014969
>They are the immovable object
So Ultramarines?

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>>384014969
Where have I heard that before?

>>384015089
>>384015118
What is this meme? Ultramarines are no better than other space marines against chaos. If anything, you should be comparing the Stormcast to the Grey Knights, since both were created to combat Chaos.

>>384015313
>Ultramarines are no better than other space marines against chaos.
TOP FUCKING KEK!

>>384010896
>Much story
A few weird rules aside, the game is better than ever.

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>>384015000
this. the game was met with enormous amounts of salt particularly from DOW1 fanboys. but the lack of content and balance issues are affecting the game this is indisputable.

it needs another faction because 3 just isn't enough for 40k. 4 minimum. we all know necrons are the next faction which is great, especially since there is no playable evil faction yet (orks aren't actually evil they're like a neutral force really).

until then, the game is going to suffer from low player count until then because its a niche game in a niche genre and a spiteful audience... but what other 40k game are they going to play? DOW1 is old as dirt and DOW2 is deader than dead so... what next?

>>384015419
>the game is better than 6th edition
fair fix anon. it's still a very poor recreation of 3th edition.

>>384015410
It's true, though. They have no real advantage over chaos, just writer favoritism.

Meanwhile, the Grey Knights are quite literally anti-chaos shock troops (or rather anti-daemon, but daemons are chaos made manifest), and that is what the Stormcast are as well.

>>384007190
the prime ork was far larger than the one horus killed on ullanor with a waagh to match it was literally the size of a hab-block

>>384015650
>just writer favoritism.
>implying it's not actual thing in fluff since 5th edition SM codex

>>384015581

>ntil then, the game is going to suffer from low player count until then because its a niche game in a niche genre and a spiteful audience... but what other 40k game are they going to play? DOW1 is old as dirt and DOW2 is deader than dead so... what next?

Soulstorm Apocalypse mod. Unbalanced as fuck but a lot of fun. Still better than DoW3

>>384015631
Wasn't playing during 3rd. Guess i should have said "better than it's been in a long-ass time".

>>384015650

>just writer favoritism.

Thats the most powerful force in W40K universe, anon.

>>384015862
Point out to me a single source that claims that an ultramarine is as good, or even preferable, in a skirmish against chaos as a grey knight.

>>384015862
If we're taking Codices, then Dangles are the anti-chaos Marines because of "Inner Circle".

>>384016037

Matt Ward.

>>384015581
>DOW2 is deader than dead
Close to Dow3, which has less than 900 players daily.

>>384015975
>long-ass time".
Literally 2 editions anon, and hey, they still can easily fuck up balance through new codexes

>>384016037
>Point out to me a single source that claims that an ultramarine is as good, or even preferable, in a skirmish against chaos
1) Spiritual ...
2) Ultramarines never turns to Chaos
3) Guilliman
4) Matt Ward

>>384016161
The same Matt Ward that wrote Kaldor "The Warp is my bitch" Draigo, the grandmaster of the Grey Knights that took a big shit on a chaos primarch and cockslaps the gods in their own realms on a daily basis?

Weird how he never wrote about an ultramarine doing that, huh?

>>384016467

If you ask Ward, he'll say Draigo was originally an Ultramarine and was personally taught the intricacies of Codex Astartes by Guilliman at the same time they were fist-fighting Greater Daemons and Necron Monoliths with their bare fists.

The reason Horus Heresy even started was because Horus was angry at the fact Emperor didn't make him an Ultramarine.

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>>383999859
Looks like the Blood Angels didn't request enough Necron bailout

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don't open this

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>40k threads

Fantastic.

>>384016346
>new codexs
Not him but they are making new codexs already?
What is gonna be in them?

>>384011717
>To ensure that chaos will never again win by landslide
Sigmar tore open a portal into our world and killed GW's staff who rigged that shit so Chaos didn't lose EVERY FUCKING TIME.

>>384015410
Oh fuck don't let Cato Sicarius see this.

>>384017706
Individual battles do not matter. What matters is if you win the war, and Chaos won the war decisively.

>>384011717
Dark Elves side with Sigmar.
Reeee.

>>384017990
Wow its like I can literally hear GW backpedaling when you typed that.

Honestly it was absolutely hilarious to see the after battle reports being all "Uh yeah I know it was a fucking curbstomp but uuuh CHAOS IS HUGE THIS IS JUST ONE BATTLE OMG YOU -----BARELY---- STAVED OFF DISASTER! While the reality really was an absolute fucking purge.

Still, I heartily approved of the role of Nagash, he's clearly the real protagonist of Warhammer so it was nice to see him 1-up Vecna.

>>384018221
Do you talk about AoS or End of times?

reminder that the thousand sons did literally nothing wrong, ban space yiffs

>>384018256
>Chaos facerolls the forces of Order and blows up the planet
>"B-b-but they did poorly in the actual games that were being played!"

Fluff and crunch are two different things. You should know this.

>>384018748
This would almost be an arguement if GW hadn't prepped the entire campaign with "YOU STEER THE FATE OF THE WORLD" stuff. C'mon buddy, its a bit funny to say fluff and crunch is different for what lead to the ultimate change of crunch by virtue of fluff. This isn't some little backstory about a space marine eating a tyrranid using a rusty fork, this was supposed to be GW finally uniting plot and effect, and being utterly and hilarious scuppered.

If that bothers you then its worth remembering that its all in the past and Chaos """""""""won""""""" so this is all a hiro point.

>>384019201
You think they had two possible endings in store that they would have used accordingly based on how the games went?

Of course not, they were set on Chaos victory a long time before the actual event. The whole "YOU CONTROL THE FATE OF THE WORLD" was just PR talk and to have thought otherwise is akin to being a fool.

>>384013270
AoS has some nice fluff but yeah it's really bare bone compared to Fantasy. The main problem with the fluff from aos is that you can't create good lore from zero.

With the 8th edition GW handled it much better. The fluff got some heavy changes but it still plays in the same universe unlike AoS

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>>384017247
I did
And I'm angery

>>384017615
>Not him but they are making new codexs already?
10 codecies before Christmas
>What is gonna be in them?
Special rules, formations, strategems

>>384019660
>some nice fluff
Such as..?

>>383997681
Well canonically nids have devoured ork worlds to the point they can't inhabit them anymore so it's not so much of a stalemate.

>>384019832
>formations
Sweet. I was starting to miss those

What will be the next traitor primarch that GW will bring back?
My bet is on ___Lion

>>384015674
It just looked like the size of a hab-block to a random officer who saw him on a cogitator screen. In person it was nowhere near the size of a Warhound.

>>384019925
Unlike 40k or Fantasy, Chaos has ruled for a long time in the majority of worlds until Sigmar released the Sigmarines.

The Sigmarine are unlike Space Marines more diverse when it comes how to handle with Chaos.

Some of them have the opinion that Chaos can only be purged other argue that they never learned to live without the Chaos and can be saved.

>>384019925
>>384020645
and if you want to read more about the fluff I can recommend you

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer:_Age_of_Sigmar

>>384018486
AOS

>>384020645
>Unlike 40k or Fantasy, Chaos has ruled for a long time in the majority of worlds until Sigmar released the Sigmarines.
Yes, and..?
>The Sigmarine are unlike Space Marines more diverse when it comes how to handle with Chaos.
Okay, so they are literally worst part of Ultramarines (Lawful Good, like stereotypical paladin).

>>384020368
One of the traitors is going to turn loyalist apparently.
I'm guessing it will be ______lion

>>384020779
>I can recommend you
Nah, fuck off (it's kind of funny how you guys trying to shill in DoW and TWW threads), I've tried and wasn't impressed by Warcraft novels.

>>384021171
Oh is this a TWW thread, nice, can we talk about how they're going to fuck up the Skaven?

>>384010962
other than those of Thousand Sons I don't see a problem.

>>384018221

Dark Elves don't exist anymore in AoS
In End of times the Elves got merged to one faction because Malekith was crowned as Phoenix king

>>384021171
>Nah, fuck off
You are a really nice person

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>>384007195
>necron lover
so a man of good taste, then?

>>383997426
I don't know, I'm done with 40k.

>>384020495
the ullanor one was about 10meters/30ft the one that vulcan fought was bigger

>>384021501
>Oh is this a TWW thread,
No, it's Dawn of War thread
>>384021652
>You are a really nice person
Welcome to 4chan, pussy. By the way, here we prefer Dark Souls and Witcher to World of Warcraft.

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>>384021652
That was great. It was like letting someone out of prison because it turned out he'd been wrongly convicted but just ignoring that he'd shanked five prison guards to death while he was in there.

>>384021871
>Dawn of War

Eh.

>>384021938
>t.Steampunk-fan

>>384021705
what dynasty?

>>384019675
>grey knights

I understand this reference

>>384017247

what is this, an image for my models?

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>>384021998
>ignoring that he'd shanked five prison guards to death while he was in there.

Well he tried to ally with the Orks so...

>>384020003
The War of Octarius proves that any significant Ork force and any significant Tyranid force will stalemate completely. The battle in the Octarius sector went on for ages, just Nids and Orks smashing into each other, but neither side gaining an advantage because they just kept coming, Orks were swarming in from other sectors and worlds to join the fun, Nids pouring in from the fleet, the fighting was getting so intense that Ork spores were fighting microscopic Nids. Eventually the Eldar realized one side would win given enough time, and what would come out of Octarius would be a fucking nightmare so they used some bullshit secret weapon to wipe the slate clean, forcing the entire conflict to pretty much reset.

>>384013653
Literally did nothing wrong.

>>384008068
heat death

>>384023250
How do you figure that.

>>384006141
arent the Sisters just as strong as Marines though?

It's no fun being an imperial guard eh?

>>384023464
No, same statline as a standard human. 3 strength, 3 toughness.

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>>383999426
Girlyman looked upon his body and his eyes fucking hurt because of it since the Empire of Man have been feeding the Emperor physics for 10 thousand years making his spirit glow like a gorillion suns. Physically dead? Almost. In spirit? No.

>>384023464
LOL, you're funny.

>>384023464
No but they are thic!

>>384023464
Not even vaguely close. They're just better equipped than the average human and have some BS faith super powers they use sometimes

>>384008068
The Harrowing

>>384023572
Spikers are vaguely cylindrical in shape, and tend to be man-sized, about 2 meters tall and upright. They are covered with a thick layer of hair-like leaves, out of which protrude the countless thin, sharp spikes that give the plant its name. These spikes, which are fired at nearby animal forms, are what make this plant dangerous. Piercing the skin of an animal, they release a mutagenic chemical into the bloodstream that reforms the victim's body into that of a Spiker. A human taking a spike in the arm will soon find his arm become hairy and immobile, and within a short time his whole body will be covered in spikes. Although the victim remains mobile for some time, the physiological changes destroy the mind, so that the victim wanders aimlessly and is unable to react to the horrifying process. Eventually all mobility is lost, and the host completes his transformation into a Spiker.

Oh well that sounds lovely.

>>384023464
The only ones who come close to being as strong as a Marine are the ones stuffed full of religious magic I think.

>>384008068
Wasn't it already shot down that they're running from anything

>>384023370
As I understand it, he didn't choose to follow chaos, it was only after the spess wulfs burned prospero that he threw his lot with horus.

>Father I'm a powerful master psyker, why won't you let me do the one thing I'm good at?
>I can't tell you son because you're one of the mistakes.
>What?
>Never mind, forget I said that, here have a legion.

He was just doing his job as a good son man, there was no need for such abhorrent violence.

>>384024296
Well at least the mind is destroyed, in many cases the victim would be forced to be aware of every horrifying moment

>>384024470
He completely fucked everything by doing exactly what he was told not to do though.

>>384024296
>The Great Barking Toad (Catachanus bufo moribundus) of the Death World of Catachan is considered the most poisonous creature in the entire galaxy; fortunately, it is extremely rare. When threatened, it emits a cloud of toxins that kills all life within a kilometer, including the Barking Toad itself. The poison is so virulent it can penetrate even power armour.

>>384024709
Not a great survival tactic...

>>384024470
He was specifically told, DO NOT DO THIS THING, and instead, he DID THE THING. It was a situation that would have been completely fine if he just listened to the Emperor, because Psyker's are extremely vulnerable to Chaos influence if they have not been tempered their entire life to fight back, and the Emperor didn't have a chance to do that, so his next best bet was to try and keep his sons ignorant of Chaos, because knowledge of it alone can corrupt.

>>384024929
>YOU DIDN'T WIN, YOU DIDN'T WIN

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>>384024929
There are real animals that kill themselves when committing to self defense.

>>384025219
Apparently not by design
>Although it is widely believed that a worker honey bee can sting only once, this is a partial misconception: although the stinger is in fact barbed so that it lodges in the victim's skin, tearing loose from the bee's abdomen and leading to its death in minutes, this only happens if the skin of the victim is sufficiently thick, such as a mammal's

>>384024610
>>384024930
How else was he supposed to say " hey pops, you're favourite son's been corrupted by chaos and is on his way to terra to fuck you up...and also...some of my brothers may have joined him."

>>384025219

realer animals blow themselves up

like some ants

how do i get into 40k?i tried reading thw first Horus heresy but it was kinda boring and i played the tabletop once but dislike how much of a cash sink it is (spent a bit on fantasy, now i cant even use my fantasy stuff)

>>384023153
>will stalemate completely
>would win given enough time

>>384025501
there is no design.

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>>384025836
excuse me this is a christian image board

>>384025501
True, but then so could be the case with our fictional frog too.

>"Oh fuck, some kind of primates are going to kill me, what do I do, what the fuck do I *BBRRRAAAAAAAPPP*
>Everything ded in a kilometer radius

>>384025723
You shouldn't be buying models from GW you should be buying the cheap chinese knockoffs instead. They're practically the same quality

>>384024929

>IF IM GOING DOWN IM TAKING YOU ALL WITH MEEEEEEEEE

>>384025723
If you're painting them then time is the issue not money.

And if you're planning to just assemble and field them as bare plastic then play a better game.

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>>384014747
>tfw DoW3's peak daily concurrent players will soon be surpassed by Soulstorm
where did it all go so wrong

>>384026109
i considered either 3d printing some or making casts and just making my own but isk about the quality.

>>384026354
with fantasy i painted the entirety of skull pass and a few extra sets so thats not really the issue, i mainly hated the gw vibe, coupled with my city being small and my only friend who played was a 40k player who quit after losing his set, it just never stuck i guess. i like rts and tt, i just dont like the way gw games play i guess. i still paint though, mainly boats though

>>384026712
Ah right, I'm in the same boat. I enjoy the hobby side a lot but the games aren't really up to much besides the spectacle of seeing two fully painted armies on the table.

I mainly play board games these days. Forbidden Stars is 40k themed and fucking great if you have two other people.

>>384008884
Stop posting, TJ

moot

>>384013729
>The ravening chaos of a broken Tyranid hivemind
Honestly I'd love to see a good author write about this situation.

>>384025798
Thats what the Eldar believe, and it was just some bullshit fluff to reset the Octarius war

>>384028394
Tyranids that aren't connected to to the hivemind aren't very dangerous, they just become normal animals. Yeah they are still nasty Nids, but they don't move with a singular mind anymore

>>384013729
It'd be really cool to see how a hive fleet caught in a warp storm would react. Shadow or not their synapse connection is warp based.

>>384029223
A warp storm can't catch a Hive Fleet. The Shadow is literally anti-warp and shuts that shit down wherever it goes.

>>384029392
We have no idea what would happen since there is nothing written about nids in a warp storm. The idea that the shadow would do anything to a warp storm is a little silly though.

>>384010894
>Sororitas were formed millennia after the Heresy
What part of this don't you understand?

>>384013527
This, but with the Necrons being fodder, imo.

The Orks and Tyranids will war forever, with the Orks continually reshaping reality to keep their fun going.

Necrons will hold up better than most races but when their worlds are saturated in enemies, every time one pops back up it'll just get knocked down again. Expect Necron worlds to be Ork training grounds. They throw the younglings in and the ones that don't get obliterated get to leave and go pillaging.

>>384029629
Warp storms are a direct connection to the warp though, and wherever the Shadow is cast, the warp just smooths out like water on a windless day, Tyranids literally smother out storms.

>>384031390
Warp storms are so intense that they bleed into normal space and warp reality. They're not just a turbulant warp tide.

>>384031226
I dunno. Necrons are literally anti-life weapons, and Nids and Orks are super life forces. Some baby Tomb World might be a good beat down place for Orks, but a major Tomb World will likely be full of weapons that vaporize Orks to the last spore.

Also Yoofs are shit, if the Necron's aren't stripped of all weapons, they would very likely shred through even the most talented Yoof

>>384031663
Yeah, but a storm can't rise if the warp is being quieted.

>>384032425
Warp storms can do anything.

>>384032659
Nigga, a warp storm cannot FORM if the warp is being smothered by the Shadow. Tyranids are one of the sole things in the galaxy that can calm the Warp completely. I get that Warp Storms aren't just turbulent tides, but they are still Warp related anomalies, not even Daemons want to be anywhere near where the Shadow passes.

>>384033257
Its just a movement in the warp the shadow protects them from predation like a forest fire, but a warp storm is like a wind, it can still shove the fire into a different direction.

why would their synapse connection be warp based when they come from a galaxy with no warp

Whats happening with Tau?

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>>384037217
Freedom to expand plus new FTL technology = massively expanding.

Also, an entire Sphere of Expansion (or whatever they are called) was FUCKING FINALLY consumed by a warp rift and scattered across the galaxy. For the first time since their inception, Tau armies can finally appear anywhere in the galaxy instead of instantly confining the conflict to one tiny corner of the galaxy. I've been complaining about that for years and I'm glad it's finally been resolved.

>>384023153

Except for every Tyranid in the Galaxy there's 100 orks. It's been said by more than a few that if the Orks stopped fucking around and united they'd be able to take over the galaxy everyone else teamed up.

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>>384001327
>ork diplomats

>>384025015
Dope. Thanks for posting that man

>>384028394

Theres instances of Tyranids invading Chaos worlds, I'd like to read more about that. A Khorne champion and his violent society torn more apart than usual by waves of ravenous beasts.

>>383997426
Is anyone else tired of those "almost there" 40k games? DoW dark crusade, soulstorm and retribution were fun but too flawed to fill that need to play in the 40k setting.

Another day I was playing Helldivers and I just wondered how the fuck they haven't done a 40k game on this style. Fuck there's several types of games that could work on 40k setting, "walking simulation" horrors like outlast 2 and RE 7, racing games on commorragh, even puzzle games for mankind's technicians.

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>>384039472
I love Orks, don't need to tell me that. It's also been said, though, that if every bullet in the galaxy killed a single Tyranid, you'd run out of bullets before you run out of Tyranids.

>>384040546
It's very rare that it happens though, as theres nothing on Chaos worlds for Tyranids to eat, since it's all just warp bullshit.

>>384000556
so you wanttotell me big E himself killed two legions got all his sons and pretty much the human race never to talk about them but let some genseedlying around speaking of bad writting

>>384021652
Here's me hoping my boy Vect will get some similar spotlight in 40k

Are any of you playing the tabletop game or returning to it in 8th edition?

>>384001850
well you got a bunch of ways to become immortal: gentecnics,become a robot(pretty much),magic that are 3 more ways than we have

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>>384042274
I used to paint them, about a year ago, but fell out of it due to laziness. I may one day get back into

>>384023153
>the fighting was getting so intense that Ork spores were fighting microscopic Nids.
Kek. That's some good shit.

>>383999426
Nope. He's alive.

However he never loved the Primarchs nor the people. Only humanity in general.

Gorillaman concluded that even if Emps really were a god then he wouldn't deserve the worship for the bullshit he did.

>>383999859
sweet jesus that's bad

>>384010962
nothing, some of the biggest heroes during the heresy were from traitor legions like Loken, Garro, Saul Tarvitz etc

as long as they got the gene seed pre chaos corruption there is basicly nothing wrong with it

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>>384011717
>I don't get why people have their panties in a twist over AoS, lorewise at least.

Because I liked having a grimdark fantasy world, not a grimdark stargate atlantis world with sprinkling of norse mythology where everything has a copyright-friendly name like Aelf.

A shame the setting had to be marked for death before they started making decent videogame adaptions of it.

>>384015581
>and a spiteful audience

Making the game not terrible would've really helped with that.

>>384040768
That's why you go choppy.

I want to be raped by a band of Eldar cuties

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>>384049771
No mercy for the misguided.

>>384013527
>Tau link together a few too many drones
>accidentally creates full fledged AI
>no precautions to protect it from warp predators
>new breed of cybernetic Daemon is spawned
>This daemon now controls a vast network of drones, making it virtually impossible to destroy him completely

>>384015581
It's going to keep underperforming because it just doesnt have much to offer. The presentation is lacking, the maps are boring and trying to be super competitive, the factions have almost no character.

People like DoW I and II for different gameplay reasons, but I think we can all agree we liked our factions because they really felt like those factions. They had character and even if you didnt like the mechanics, you could like the factions and aspects of the game.
Ive always hated the DoW II multiplayer but I played it anyways because I just love the Imperial Guard that much. I loved Last Stand because I could play as my Imperial Guard without having to play the normal multiplayer, etc.

DoW III has a severe lack of personality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j4UGYMW1Tk
I cant even find videos with just the DoW II voice lines