They are just religiously defending heir IPs. They destroy fan

Why did Nintendo have to destroy everything that was good about themselves? There's no reason for me to keep supporting them anymore. It's too bad.

>>383983070
Go back to your threads, Sonybro. Nintendo is a nightmare for you. They want to kill you. Why? You displeased them.

>>383983173
Do you have autism

>"We at nintendo will now take a more open approach to creations made by our fans"
>"loljk here's a C&D"

>>383983271
No! You just shudder. Fear Nintendo!

Nintendo takes down free ROMs of their games and other companies should do it too. Pirates and emulatorfags should be hanged publicly, even their families. NO REMORSE!

Good.

>>383983070
I wish this was bait like OP but NeoGA/v/ actually believes this.
>Shitty gimmicks ROB and Virtual Boy were great because I was a kid!
>Eww. Pikmin 3 is bad because... it's bad!

Im surprised they people run their games at gdq

>>383982979
Their IPs is literally the only thing they have

>>383985229
They're the only relevant video game hardware manufacturer left.

AM2R was literally a way to play Metroid 2 without paying for it. Why shouldn't they give a C&D to shut down piracy? They're obligated to defend their trademark so who cares?

>>383987757
I love video games, so I hate it when good video games are erased. I'm sure people would feel the same way if truly good books, music or movies got caught up in this copyright mess.

>>383987757
>>383988832
>faggots try to justify theft

>>383982979
>I heard they brutally murdered a person
Is the Yakuza murder rumor actually true?

>>383989093
He wasn't making any profit of it, and everyone's going into it knowing that it's based off something else, so it's not like he's taking credit.
It may not be legal, but there's nothing morally wrong with it.

>>383989295
Profit or not, it's still theft.

>>383987757
>They're obligated to defend their trademark so who cares
This shit keeps getting repeated, and I can't imagine that's just going to change, but I might as well piss into this ocean.

This is some weird, telephone game corruption of what trademark defense actually means. It refers to when a trademarked name becomes a general use term for the kind of item it's a specific version of. Like Kleenex or Band-Aid. When this happens, it falls into trying to trademark stuff like the color red or cat. They can be trademarked in very specific instances, like Apple in the tech sphere, but it's just not allowed when its considered a generic term within the area you're making your product. That's what trademark defense is: making sure your trademark doesn't become a generic term and thus something you can no long have exclusivity over so now every gets to use it.

It's why you'll rarely see anywhere on a Transformers toy the actual word "transform" or "transformer" as anything but the name of the franchise. If "to transform" and thus the noun "transformer" is considered to just be something they do, and thus a generic term, they lose exclusivity rights to using it for their toys. So the Transformers toys "change" or "shift form."

Nintendo isn't defending their trademark. Plenty of companies officially sanction fanworks with no problem. What it's actually about is control. It's why they bought up the rights to that Mario porno and recalled as many as they could. Why the Mouse sues preschools using Mickey Mouse in their murals. Nintendo wants to maintain rigid control over their IPs so they can control how it is viewed in the public mind. But it's a company, not a single person, and the simple reality is you'll never stop fanworks. So you get things like someone telling someone else to stop all that Pokemon porn. They send out a few DMCA's, people get scared and lose their shit, then literally nothing is ever done about it again for years at a time.

>>383982979
>Fan games break reputation of the companies
>Consumerbot 9000: THIS VIDEO GAME MADE IN UNITY THAT I DOWNLOADED OFF OF SOME GITHUB PAGE APPEARS TO USE THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OF NINTENDO CO, LTD. THE QUALITY OF THIS PRODUCT MUST BE REFLECTIVE OF THE OTHERS PRODUCED AND PUBLISHED BY NINTENDO CO, LTD.
Yeah, they have every right to knock down every 'pokemans in unreal4!!' project, but they look like nervous authoritarians every time they do

ITT: idiots cry about not understanding how IP laws work.

>>383989824
enlighten the sheep, then

>>383982979
I hate the current copyright and IP laws because they aren't used just to protect your property, but also abused by big companies to enforce them where they aren't enforceable because no one has the money to fight a big company in court to show that what they are doing falls under fair use.

The laws aren't strict enough on the IP owner side. They are loose as hell which allows the owner to abuse them as much as they want.

Nintendo is a clear example of this with taking down or monetizing videos that show 5 seconds of a trailer in a +20 minute long video. I understand them taking down some fangames, although I disagree with it and find it unbelievably dumb to alienate your fanbase like that.
But what they are doing on youtube can't be defended or justified in any way possible.

>>383982979
This is so honestly retarded sounding even for a leaf, that I can't even tell if it's supposed to be bait or not.

Is OP having a seizure? Do we need to call an ambulance?

>>383989559
Also one of the reasons why Google's main company now is Alphabet. Goolging became a verb that means searching something on the internet.

>>383989346
Sorry to say it Ms. Big Company Lawyer, but copyright infringement is not theft no matter how much you try to paint it that way.
There is a clear definition of what is what.

>>383988832

If it's a truly good game then it should be able to survive without depending on someone else's work.

>>383990298
Next elections I'm gonna use your name to vote Hillary if she runs.
It's not theft, I'm just voting for you.

>>383990839
Try coming up with an example that actually involve copyright infringement. I would have honestly preferred if you used /v/'s food analogies. That's how bad your example is.

>>383990368
It's a remake, it's whole purpose is to make an existing game better.

>>383982979
/nintendogaf/

i mean yeah its shitty they do that but people make a bigger deal out of it than it needs to be. if Nintendo doesnt want free games made using their IP, dont make any. simple? + no shit they were gonna take down the metroid 2 remake when they were working on one themselves.

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retard: "im gonna use another companies IP for my crappy game to make it look more interesting than it really is!"
*Nintendo C&D*
retard 2: "im gonna use another companies IP for my crappy game to make it look more interesting than it really is!"
*Nintendo C&D*
retard 3: "im gonna use another companies IP for my crappy game to make it look more interesting than it really is!"
*Nintendo C&D*

repeat and repeat

>>383992354
all they have to do is keep their mouths shut and then release it.

and if u are one of those idiots who complains about Nintendo copyright claiming letplays. letsplays are NOT fair use. they are not only LEGALLY in the right but also morally. most letsplay channels are boring personality-less FIFA fans who use the games owned by companies to make their content seem more exciting than it really is because of how boring they are. some are above this, like old game grumps but most not.

fuck Nintendo, pirate their games, rape their women, cut their throats

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>>383982979
>They should target fan art too.
Actually it's porn
Behind a paywall

Just like the fangames

>>383989295
If I were to steal bread and give it to somebody else without asking anything in return it's still theft. >food analogy

>>383989559
Pretty much. And there's literally nothing wrong with this.

>>383982979
English isn't your first language, I take it.

>>383991774

The point still stands. Why doesn't he just make his own game?

>>383992409
but the problem with that is word will spread elsewhere from other people downloading and playing it, Nintendo will eventually see it, then slap the C&D.

>>383992792
Oh I think it's pretty dumb. Even if Nintendo doesn't need the "free advertising" let's plays and the like totally give for reals, I don't think it's worth the PR cost here, at least with videos. Nintendo likely just doesn't even want to have to figure out where the line should be, so they just ignore or delete without really engaging anything in public. I think things like reviews being hit are pretty bad, on the principle of the thing. The only part I really think is just outright not what they should do.

Things like fan games I'm more iffy on and don't particularly cry much when it happens. It's a shame for the real passion projects, but them's the breaks, especially with just remaking something.

>>383993081
Yes for videos I agree it's not worth the trouble. But for fan projects, there runs a real risk of their IP being diluted or damaged. Nintendo has built Mario into an icon bigger than Mickey Mouse and they're not going to let it float away.

>>383990948
>>383990948
>Apple spends money to advertise the Apple brand
>I sell electronics devices using the Apple design, logo, etc
>I am profiting from the money Apple has spent on their brand and receiving custom that would have been spent on genuine Apple products

>this isn't theft

you're right that, legally, it isn't theft, it's copyright infringement, but it's still a form of stealing

>>383992939
Because of his love for the game, despite it's flaws. The problems with Metroid 2, most of which being from the Game Boy's Hardware restrictions, has kept most Metroid fans from playing it. He wanted to make this part of the series something that could stand up with the more well loved titles, so that this part of Metroid and Samus' history didn't get ignored.

>>383984483
>Virtual Boy was great
It was bad so bad I actually bought one and did not play it more than two days and told my mom to take it back. It also did eye damage as well due to the red laser sensors or whatever. They have no clue what my generation was like growing up.

>>383993347
It's not a form of stealing. It's not theft. And in your example the individual makes a profit from using someone else's property which makes it a different crime.

In reality those games where 100% free and didn't use the Nintendo brand.

Copyright infringement isn't even close to theft. It's illegal, that's one thing, But it's not theft.

>>383984483
VB Wario Land was amazing, it's just the platform it was on that was shit

These companies are dumb with protecting their IP, copyright is so outdated because it makes no sense to do so. Back in the day record companies wanted to protect their work and for the artists so they had laws passed for it. And fair use came in much later to protect freedom of speech and parody etc.

But the way I see it is the laws are outdated and these corporations are suffering from Streisand effect where the more they do this the more people that are going to buy games from another company that does the opposite. But also does not mind fangames of the original etc.

To me I like Nintendo and the rest but I can also see why Indie games are becoming more popular than the console makers and the IP holders of AAA titles themselves. They do not care and like the free advertising and attention.

>>383993528
>Apple has legal ownership of their brand and the right to use that brand commercially
>you take that branding and put it on your own goods
>not theft

no shit, it's not the legal definition of theft but, morally, it's stealing. you're taking someone else's property

>>383993912
It's not morally stealing because you aren't taking it. You're taking one of the infinite copies that exist and slap it on whatever you have/want.

It's morally wrong, but again, it's not stealing. Apple still has their brand, you didn't take it away from them.

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>>383982979
>>383983070
>>383983173
>>383983370
It's like a chimp who learned how to imitate human speech, but applies that knowledge towards samefag shitposting.

>>383994001
Thought experiment:

I own a water tower which I paid to develop and build.
The water tower collects rainwater and purifies it to make it safe to drink.
The tower's collection system of water is so good, that even if I used the water as fast as physically possible, I will never run out of water.
My neighbour starts sneaking on to my property and taking water from my never-ending water tower.

Is he stealing my water?

>>383994208
Yes.

>>383994276
I own a brand which I paid to develop and promote.
The brand reassures customers of the quality of the product, it's contents and their right to replacement, warranty and liability.
The brand isn't finite, it can be used endlessly and applied to any product I decide.
My competition starts using my brand to make consumers think that when they buy the competition's product, they are getting the same quality and guarantees as when they buy mine.

Is he stealing my brand?

>>383994276
Correct, but you are making stealing morally good. You can't. Why? God made it so and you aren't. You are destroying God's rules, so you will go to Hell.

>>383994427
No.

>>383994484
What?

>>383982979
Anyone who can't understand Kant and has less than a bachelors degree should have their opinion disregarded and shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm sure that's you. Get back to studying if you want to have an actual opinion worth defending.

>>383994208
>>383994427
The primary difference is that the water is a thing. Even in the conceit of there being, somehow, infinite water, its physical nature makes it such that by someone using it, someone else cannot also use that exact same water at the same time.

With brands, there is no "thing" being taken. Someone using the brand does not preclude the brand from being used elsewhere at the same time. The brand is a perception, not an individual thing made up of physical matter.

>>383982979
Nintendo actually let the fangames get completed. They just shut them down after its already on the internet out of necessity to protect trademarks.

>>383992967
By then it's too late, you'll never get the toothpaste back in the tube. And with the Streisand effect people will distribute it around even more.

>>383994713
>With names, there is no "thing" being taken. Someone using your name does not preclude the name from being used elsewhere at the same time. Names are a perception, not an individual thing made up of physical matter.
This is so fucking stupid.
That's why you have to give me your name right away so I can vote for Hillary twice, you moron.

I love how people cry about am2r being some sort of tragedy even though it's finished, on the internet for download, and the creator has all the recognition.

>>383994713
So theft and stealing only applies to physical, tangible items, OK.

So when a medical database is hacked and your personal information falls into the hands of the hackers, your information wasn't stolen.

When a corporate espionage allows a company to get it's hands on a competitor's research, they aren't stealing that information?

When someone uses your personal information to get loans or credit, they haven't stolen your identity, and therefore, identity theft isn't a thing?

>>383989295
>>383990298
It was literally a 1:1 remake of a game Nintendo already made and is still selling on the eshop (and is now remaking themselves). Instead of paying the original owner for the game fans had the option to effectively download the game for free. That's what makes it theft in this instance, even though he wasn't charging money for it.

>>383982979
>Protecting their IP and copyright
>Meanwhile, shitting on fair use
Fair use is an essential part of copyright law, ignoring its existence to the extent Nintendo has effectively renders them exempt from any protection it would have offered them.
They themselves know this, which is why they haven't bothered going after actual copyright infringement on the steam store, Apple's app store or Google Play. The only C&Ds and DMCAs they've ever issued are the ones they knew wouldn't go to court, knowing full well they would never hold up there.

>>383982979
Please tell me this thread isn't related to that stupid Minecraft mod. Please tell me you're not actually this autistic.

>>383995384
What mod? It's not.

>>383995441
They took down a mod named "Pixelmon" yesterday which would explain the timing of this thread.

>>383994894
>>383995056
When your identity is stolen, there is actually a non-physical, singular thing being taken. You. Your identity as discussed here is made up of a lot of information and resources, some of which is equal use, but some of which isn't. In our increasingly digital society, identity theft essentially steals your position in society. You, the physical you, cannot be in two places at once. Your money cannot be in two places at once. Your signature allowing or disallowing a purchase or access cannot be in two places, yes or no, at once. This is possible through the digital nature of these systems, but it is not actually how it is supposed to work. Your life gets fucked because of this. Your identity as embodied in these non-physical items is meant to simulate your singular existence, not be a general use designation for a line of items, all nominally equal to each other but existing in any number they wish without affecting each other.

Brands are different because they are not meant to embody a singular thing. They are franchise, an idea that is applicable to many different things in different ways at once. Someone making a knockoff does not affect the official products directly. Only though the purchase of one potentially being equal to a not purchase of the other. But such things are not directly provable in a general sense. Many times, as with piracy, someone may simply have never bought the official product, regardless of any knockoff. When a trademark is illegally used, it does not directly mean a degradation of the official brand in a measurable way, which is where the problem occurs. It is known it can affect the integrity, in this case meaning consumer confidence, of a brand, but it's not measurable in principle like one can directly see one's money being siphoned away or your SSN being used in a place you yourself are not at, physically or digitally. That is why your identity can be stolen and trademark infringement is not theft.

>>383987757
Why the fuck didn't they just offer the guy a deal and sell the fucking game? AM2R is better than half the fucking Metroid games Nintendo have made themselves.

>>383995603
Because development on Samus Returns started in 2015, a year before AM2R released.
Now obviously they could have approached him at that point but I'm fairly certain they didn't know AM2R even existed until it released. What are they gonna do then, stop their own development for this guy's?

>>383995485
>Your brand identity as discussed here is made up of a lot of information and resources, some of which is equal use, but some of which isn't. In our increasingly digital society, brand identity theft essentially steals your position in the market. Your product, the physical copy, cannot be in two places at once. Your money cannot be in two places at once. Your license agreement allowing or disallowing use of your brand or access cannot be in two places, yes or no, at once. This is possible through the digital nature of these systems, but it is not actually how it is supposed to work. Your brand gets fucked because of this. Your brand identity as embodied in these non-physical items is meant to simulate your commercial existence, not be a general use designation for a line of items, all nominally equal to each other but existing in any number they wish without affecting each other.