Why exactly was this a mainline title? >Set in an entirely

>>383910040
Its in the and universe as SJ

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Why exactly was this a mainline title?

>Set in an entirely different universe from the mainline one
>has an actual, full blown sequel that's not called "smt V"
>Artstyle different from the mainline titles
>different vibe in general

Sounds like it could have been its own series

>>383910270
It had actual dungeon crawling and not tiny randomized save anywhere you want hallways like IV.

>>383910040
>Set in an entirely different universe from the mainline one
So is Nocturne and Strange Journey. SJ is listed as a unnumbered mainline title

>has an actual, full blown sequel that's not called "smt V"
It was originally a Maniax-style rerelease that fix everything wrong, then they just make new game out of it for some reason

>Different artstyle
New artist because Kaneko can't live forever

>different vibe in general
Static turn-based and cyberpunk post-apocalypse Tokyo with alignment, like SMT I and II

>>383910326
It didn't follow same continuity as SMT 1 and 2. MC didn't have COMP. It was 3d instead of first person dungeon crawler. No law-neutral-chaos aspect.

IV is much more mainline SMT game than Nocturne ever was.

It was way more SMT than fucking Nocturne, that has done so much damage to SMT traditions that it still hasn't recovered.

I still miss pure-human protagonists that aren't speshul magic using snowflakes, and cyberpunk themes. Thank god for the SJ remake.

>>383910521
Yeah, just ignore my point about IV having laughable dungeons compared to the other mainline games. IV was also 3D you blind fuck.

>>383910040
Switch is a collection remake. Of 1 to 4.

>>383910684
That's natural change in people's preferences in gameplay. Fuck you hard rng deaths just don't sell these days so well.
IV has more than plenty of series stables to be a part of the series gameplay wise and it's theme and narrative are much more SMT than Nocture's.

>>383910270
I was actually going to include this one in the OP as well, because it also doesn't follow the same mainline universe.

The artstyle is literally the same though, it was Kaneko.

>>383910458

Didn't know that about SJ, sounds stupid that they don't put a number in it if they considered it a mainline entry.

And is Kaneko died?

>>383910684
I and II's dungeons are not really anything more special than hallways with random encounters every 2 steps.

>>383910040
>Set in an entirely different universe from the mainline one
so did nocturne
>has an actual, full blown sequel that's not called "smt V"
why does that matter
>Artstyle different from the mainline titles
3 had different art than 1 & 2
>different vibe in general
no

>>383910884
>completely taking away the difficulty of a series known for its dungeons
If you mean people prefer easier games you might be right. It still makes it a shitty experience for series fans. Fucking Persona 5 exploration is harder than SMTIV's dungeons and that's for an even more casual audience.

Also IV's Law/Chaos/Neutral stuff is literally as cliche and boring as you can get. Nothing interesting was done with them in IV compared to the other games.

>>383910417

This is one of my favorite wallpapers. I hear the song every time it comes up.

>>383911009
it is not mainline because it wasn't in tokyo

Kaneko writes and supervises the projects.

>>383911010
They are actually long and don't let you save you anywhere you want, making them much better dungeons than IV.

>>383911009
Here's a list of the games considered mainline
http://shin-megamitensei.jp/history/

And Kaneko doesn't draw anymore, he's more of a producer and writer now that does illustration out of boredom every now and then

I have never played SMT IV but I've read a bit about it and seen some videos and I'm extremely confused about something: After reading the plot summary in wikipedia, I saw that the final boss in SMT IV was either Merkabe (or whatever), Lucifer, or both, and the final boss in apocalypse is some hindu deity or something like that.

I thought that the final boss in IV was the yellow fellow, and neither plot summary even mentions him or says that he is a large part of the plot. What gives? did I miss something?

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>>383911745
Yellow man is implied to be working behind the scenes in base IV.

In Apocalypse the main villain for most of the game is toot man of ailments and debuffs, who fuse with IV's protag into a boss. Then depends on the route Yellow Man got asspulled in because Stephen is bored, or Dagda drag you up yeah to replace him

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>>383912047

Just finished it today, Law ending. God damn that world map was awful.

>>383912047
>>383912378
Do you think Krishna will be a recurring demon or will they go back to OG Vishnu? I wish they would coexist, both designs are great.

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>>383910040
>Stopped playing SMT4 for no reason part way through
>Come back
>I'm somewhere in Tokyo, no idea where exactly
>Only quest objective I have is "find more teleporters"
>Literally can't find anything to give me a clue where to go

God damn it I don't wanna start over just to know where the fuck I'm going

>>383912773
you have to keep exploring,shame the map in smt iv is a pain in the arse,smt final solves that

>>383912773
just quickly use a guide to get you on the right path you drama queen

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>>383912567
We got both Setanta and Cu Chulainn in several games, so there's no reason Krishna and Vishnu can't be

>>383910832
LOL ok

>>383910127
Is this for real?
Neutral ending in SJ promised a bright future for manking. What went wrong? Was Gore wrong?

>>383914693
It's more of a fan theory I think, Doomguy revive YHVH in NG+ so he decide to do usual YHVH stuff. The Ring of Gaea in IV worship Mem Aleph too

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

>>383914693
It didn't promise shit, it was a hopeful ending.

>>383910040
because it takes place in tokyo

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each game being set in an alternate universe is pretty much the norm since 3 and 4 did it, guess we just had a small sample size before.
Giving a different vibe comes with the time, I and II were snes games and there are many game series that just try something different in each installment.

>>383910040
because after cozy left they didn't want to keep all the games connected. after raidou 2 they stopped bothering at all except for persona

>>383915521
also this

We better get some fucking dungeons in V. No more save anywhere bullshit.

Why exactly is Apocalypse final dungeon so shit? It was like a literal shit. I want to kill the dungeon designers

SMT4 will be remembered more fondly than Nocturne. It will be more appreciated in the future.

>>383911745
If you side with Merkabah, last boss is Lucifer and vice versa. If you reject both you fight both.

>>383917674
They take SMT I and II's dungeons and throws in a million teleporters.

Why did Lucifer become Yahweh's servant like Merkabah? Wasn't he supposed to be demon king that want to take down Yahweh? Wasn't he supposed to have a true form that consist of his angel and demon form with 12 wings? Why did he suddenly become a Nigger? This really rustle my jimmies

>>383917674
git gud
>>383917702
I think Nocturne is slightly better, I love both games though. The worldbuilding in SMTIV is excellent though. Nocturne was boring in that department

>>383910684
Nocturne dungeons aren't all that great either though, the only fun ones was the third kalpa when you play tag with dante from DmC, moonphase thingy inside the obelisk, the red amala temple with the shadows and the diet building because of the optical illusions other than that the dungeons weren't all that fun.

>>383917923
>shit
>git gud
What anon? You need to git gud at shitting? I can even shit while sleeping. Why are you so shit too?

>>383917895
In SMT4, Law, Neutral and Chaos endings are all part of YHVH's plan. The only way to escape it is the White ending.

In Apocalypse YHVH has an attack called Planned Chaos.

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>SMT is mainline

Okay dude

>>383917895
They are 2 different Lucifers, in SMT II Lucifer is equal to Satan whereas in IV he's part of Satan, and then in SJ he just hangs around while Mem Aleph led the Chaos forces with the mommys. Infinite universes, infinite Lucifer(s)

>>383910040
Can someone post that picture of Space Marine helping the SMT heroes fight Stephen? I've been looking for it everywhere.