>Modern linux is a very nice environment for anyone >But

>>383900223
>Modern linux is a very nice environment for anyone

Gee, I sure do like using terminal to install new programs!

>>383900287
Don't talk if all you're going to say is misinformation.

>>383900223
Virtual Desktop

>>383900346
How is it misinformation?
Literally every program I tried to use used bash, barely any used deb or others

>>383900223
Don't negotiate with terrorist.

>>383900287
>Not liking Linux terminal
How haven't you killed yourself yet?

there is literally no good excuse to use linux unless you're a sysadmin

>>383900535
It's inconvenient and slow compared to just opening the program normally

Also do you really expect the average Joe to open a terminal to install every goddamn new program?

>>383900578
No, average joe could just click on the software manager that comes with every damn distro.

>>383900223
>linux still refuses to be user friendly
>expects people to use it

>>383900223
Use Vulkan.

>>383900223
pass. last thing I want is that disgusting console exclusivity on the PC. it's bad enough we have origin, uplay, steam, window store, square.enix, rockstar social club, and many other drm clients. if some dev decides to only release their game for linux(doubtful this would happen, but who knows), I don't want to be forced to dual-boot, or VRM to play a game I like.

>>383900287
>using terminal to install new programs!

this is how you lose to microsoft and apple

I like windows

>>383900578
If it's so bad why did Microsoft add it to Windows?

>>383900223
What is this GPU passthrough I keep hearing about?
How does it work and what are the restrictions?

>>383900837
>>383900672
>>383900578
>>383900418
>>383900287
Are you people serious? Are you not aware of software repositories with graphical interface that are everywhere nowadays, and are one of the main arguments IN FAVOR of linux compared to Windows?

>>383900223
Duel boot? I did that for a long time. I allocated 100 gigs to linux and the rest to windoes. Could game on windows. Then switch to linux and just have a good time

If you are into video games, there's really nothing you can do besides dual boot, unfortunately. It's a little irritating that you can't just spontaneously play something but there's no way around it.

>>383900852
seconded

>>383901030
no op but terminal is very fast and efficient.

also, the Ubuntu shop sucks ass.

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>>383901059
>Duel boot

Tomorrow at sunrise, don't bring any external drives

There are a few emulators that don't work on wine

>>383901220
kek

>>383901220
>uses gparted in secret

>>383901007
You basically hand over your GPU entirely to the VM. Means you need to dedicate a separate graphics device to both the host and guest.

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>>383900223
You'll either have to give up a lot of games or play games that are already linux compatible or install them through playonlinux. Lately playonlinux has been getting a lot of modern games running and it's not that bad. But, I personally like to dual boot and keep my games on Windows. It really helps to keep work stuff on Linux separate. Keeps you from getting distracted. I mostly use Linux for photoshop, writing, and music production in Renoise.

Adoption of Linux might be higher if fans of Linux didn't have the "fuck off if you can't figure it out yourself" attitude.

>>383901294
yeah and that is why you should dual boot.

believe me, i broke ubuntu too many times trying to make a gpu passthrought

CloverOS is the best.

Yeah I've had a great experience playing all these 4 games available on Linux

>>383901336
That's on this site. Communities for many distros are very friendly and have extensive wikis. And nowadays it's quite popular to design distros for "W10 refugees". Stuff like Mint or Zorin are very intuitive for Windows users.

>>383901582
yeah outside of the newbie Linux distros, the people like fedora or the arch community expect that you contribute something to the distro, so if you keep asking questions, they will most likely ignore you or calling you parasite.

>>383901582

That's good.

I'm using Windows at home right now (mostly because muh video games), but I really hope that people start moving away from Windows in greater numbers. I've gotten pretty comfortable with Linux at work so I'll probably dual boot my next PC.

>>383901582
This, with WM's like KDE. When I first switched over I learned everything through KDE but didn't like how many animations there were and went with LXDE after a few months. Honestly, Linux is not hard at all to learn. The set up process is more straight forward than Windows 10 I'd say. And like the other guy said, outside of /not-friendlylinuxgeneral/ the community is very helpful.

>>383901738
Well, if you're coming from windows to Linux of course you're not going to start with those distros. and the average windows user is not interested in distros like that, they want something easy like ubuntu.

>>383900287
wow look at this lazy faggot

>>383901936
lel

>>383900287
You literally just have to copy and paste text.

>>383901336
that's how I learned it

>>383901936
Seriously, who responds with Arch to "hey guys what should be my first linux distro"

virt

>>383900223
pay people to work on wine

>>383900287
Retards like this guy are the reason Linux isn't more popular

>>383900287
just use synaptic / gnome-software

>>383902089
let's be clear, you and we are not normies. nor we have a normie mentality.

>>383900223
I will never install Linux just because of that linuxtechtips guy

>>383902113
if you're trolling them maybe

>>383902210
I don't want my favorite things to get infested with SJW's

>>383902173
no its the fact that you have so many god damn distros

>which linux should i run dude? ubuntu, mint, fedora etc
>I don't know man I never use linux

every fucking time just because I use a computer

if you are going to be a vidja programmer, should you jump off newbie distros like ubuntu to more complex like Fedora or Arch?

why yes/why not?

>>383900346
you're the one with the misinformation, Linux is a clusterfuck and blows ass unless you're a code sperg

>>383902394
go andriod

>>383902321
>choice is bad
Moron

>>383902428
This is what I don't understand, Android solved this issue with APKs, why can't most popular distros?

>>383902428
cause google wizardry

>>383902459
>download software from repo
>if it isn't from repo you compile it
how the fuck is that hard

>>383902548
This is still not only way slower, but also requires knowledge of compiling, which average Joe won't know

I had to spend quite some time settling up and troubleshooting my Ubuntu 16.04 that I think the average smhuck would ignore.

But I don't use it for gaming and I did need to install some unconventional shit so

>>383902457
>choice is bad

see greenlight or any phone app store. when 99% is pure garbage then you need to trim the fat.

>>383902625
I don't give a shit about the average joe
he can install windows like everyone else

>>383902459
the package format isn't really an issue since you can just distribute a .tar.xz archive and tell people to extract it to /opt
the real problem comes from the fact that every distribution has different versions of shared libraries

>>383902321
just fucking use xubuntu and you're set
arch if you want to rice
debian if you want to rice but you're not ready for arch

>>383902662
Then don't whine about Linux not being popular

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MS doesn't hold anything hostage. Devs CHOOSE to develop for Windows on their own accord. Users CHOOSE to install Windows.

Maybe Windows is just better? Ever considered that?

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Windows is the perfect OS. Linux is shit and for hipsters.

You are a retard if you don't like Windows 10 because "muh privacy?" Do you actually believe Bill Gates gives a shit about what you fap to? Do you really think you're that important?? Because you aren't. Retard.

>>383902321
they're all the same really
software versions and package managers are different but that's about it

>>383902749
this

>>383902701
I'm not the one whining about it
if you want linux for babbies you install a babby distro like ubuntu or mint
if you want actual linux you install some obscure debian version

>>383902746
is all about the money

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>>383902672
Ubuntu MATE > Xubuntu

>>383902749
>>383902783
>I have nothing to hide nonargument
shut the fuck up
retards like you are why goybook has so much money now

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>>383902662
You want the average Joe software though hypocrite.

Compile your own games.

>>383902749
Another big bonus with Linux is performance. Puppy linux can run flawlessly on the worst of computers. If you were to install Windows 10 on that same computer it wouldn't, because Windows 10 has a retarded high requirement to even run it.

>>383902782
> no KDE plasma

you are a disgrace

>>383902843
But ubuntu is debian. and ubuntu has more documentation

>>383902749
It's not just about the privacy. It's the issue that I should be allowed to control my OS to a certain extent. being told that I'm not allowed to update when I want to, not allowed to change my settings, not allowed to change the UI visuals, it all screams incompetence. This isn't even accounting for retarded software vulnerabilities.

>>383900223
>linux
kys you autistic faggot

>>383902749
So you would be okay if government set up cameras inside your house just because you have nothing to hide?

>>383900287
>hear about program called "program"
>"this program will surely be useful to me, let me install it on my computer"

on Windows:
>open web browser
>enter "http://www.google.com/" into URL bar
>enter "program download" in search field
>click "Search" button with mouse
>scroll past the virus infested links
>click the link to official website
>click download tab
>watch a 15 second advertisement
>complete a 15 question survey
>download starts
>click program_setup.msi
>windows asks me if I'm really sure I wanna do this
>say yes
>installs program to my computer
>have to reboot computer before I can use it

on GNU/Linux
>open terminal
>enter "sudo apt-get install program"
>hit enter key
>asks for password to make sure mean people can't install bloat on my computer
>installs program to my computer

yeah fuck linux and their shitty terminal lmao

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Only full blown autists would willingly use linux. And this is coming from a software engineer who has to use linux for work regularly.

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>>383902749

>>383902749
>le nothing to hide meme
that makes you a cuck

What's wrong with me not consenting to having all of my data mined? If they want my data, they could offer me a small fee to waive my right, but they don't. And no matter how hard you try, Windows does some rootkit tier bullshit to keep you from disabling it.

Meanwhile, I can just use Linux. It's easier to customize, I can control what goes on my system, I can play most of the vidya I want to play just fine, and I can just boot into Windows if I need to.

Can you give me a benefit that Windows offers me that Linux does not? Because I can give you more reasons than vidya why Linux is better than Windows for me

>>383902967
Feels like unnecessary fluff to me, I only use my ubuntu laptop for browsing and hacking shit

>>383902782
Messy, unity is an ugly window manager with giant buttons and doesn't have a visually appealing UI. Also your wallpaper is a compressed screenshot.

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penguin get ye gone

>taskbar on the side

kys

>>383903082
I've been meaning to replace the shot but I don't want to replay the game just for that moment

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>>383902746
>can't drop privileges
>the window manager is part of the kernel
>ntfs is absolute garbage
>everything is a hacked-together mess

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>>383903036

Yeah real accurate representation here.

>Linux cucks

You know there are ways to remove anything you want out of any Windows install, right?

>>383902843
this is the shittiest fucking meme.

Debian is shit for daily use, especially vidya since you'll want up to date drivers. There is nothing wrong with Ubuntu flavors (fuck canonical's ubuntu though) and you aren't going to find your experience enhanced because you're a cool kid using Debian.

t. Manjaro + openRC user

>>383903036
you forgot that:

> you sometimes have to add repositories

> ALWAYS SUDO APT-GET UPDATE

>sometimes you have to install extra things in case the program lacks the necessary packages.

>>383900223
>what is vmware
>what is dual boot

>>383903036
this is just as biased and full of bullshit as any other penguin propaganda

quit the bullshit if you wanna be taken seriously

>>383903164
>he's a bottomfag
Fuck you it's the best.

>>383900223
just dual boot lmao

>>383902749
yeah I love how my operating system auto-installs candy crush on my fucking laptop

>>383900223
linux has garbage driver support and any type of error is near unresolvable

there is nothing intuitive or user-friendly about linux. it's something you have to force yourself to use for a long time before you can enjoy it.

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>>383903201
>use arch-base
>just use AUR for everything and don't have to waste time finding repositories

it just werks

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>>383902749
>defending win10
>update rolls out
>breaks games
>you can quite literally do nothing but sit on your ass and cry like a little bitch because you have ZERO control

I've seen it happen many times with collegues, it was funny a fuck.

>>383900223
GPU passthrough via KVM.
>99% of native performance

>>383903110
>this is how normies see Linux users

>>383903281
>near unresolvable
How does it feel like being a retard who can't google

>>383900223
new video games are shit
so the choice is easy

>>383903196
>manjaro
t. babby who couldn't install arch

>>383903327
Not him but I know people that had an issue after updating and not one solution from google worked

>>383902270
It's linustechtips, his name is Linus. His content isn't even Linux focused so I don't know why you're taking him as your baseline.

>arch
t. babby whomst couldn't install gentoo

>>383903293
>>383903362
Should I get arch instead of ubuntu

>>383903317
You also need to passthrough your keyboard and mouse and other hardware. It's not worthwhile to me since I have a dual monitor setup and I like to play some vidya in Liunx when I can.

I could get a hardware switch but that's just a fuckload of effort when I can dualboot

>>383900578
Jesus Christ, was the last time you used Linux in the 90s? You know shit has changed since then. Linux is probably more user friendly than windows now.

>Install linux
>Nothing works
>Install windows
>it works.

>>383903382
>updating
Are you a retard? Never update until documentation is a plenty

>>383903395
>not getting kali

>>383903281
>>383903382
>hahahaha how can errors be real hahaha just revert back nigga hahahah

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look at all that security you get in windows

>>383900223
Sorry, i'm not a communist.

>>383903334
>so the choice is easy
Yeah windows all the way.

>>383902653
False equivalence

>>383901582
All forums I visited were dead and wikis unwritten.

>>383903489
>linux
>commie
UHHHHHHH

>>383903457
No it was a few months ago actually, using Ubuntu 17.04
>>383903464
It wasn't my computer so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>383903395
if you are a casual OS'r, NO don't punch yourself in the head just for the sake of absolute freedom on what you want your desktop to look like and what packages your pc installs or not

>>383903463
it's really the opposite experience for me
the fact that all drivers come as kernel modules on user-friendly distributions is fantastic

>>383903286
I'm primarily a PC gamer and had to use Windows 10 for optimal VR support, but that last update was so fucking intrusive, it's the first time I've agreed that Windows 10 behaves like malware.

>>383903036
>on GNU/Linux
>>open terminal
>>enter "sudo apt-get install program"
>>hit enter key
>>asks for password to make sure mean people can't install bloat on my computer
>>installs program to my computer

You forget
>dependencies missing
>software tries to download them too
>there are conflicts between versions
>multiple programs cease to work correctly
>attempt to roll back and recover
>doesn't work, a lot of shit is now borked
>technically can recover but it's far easier to just wipe everything and start over

>>383903543
I'm on 16.04. Is there ANY reason to upgrade to 17.04 instead?

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>>383903362
>>383903392
>>383903362
>>383901738
>>383902394
>>383902672
>>383903293
>Arch
>>383902113

>>383903543
you're a special kind of retarded

>>383903601
>what literally never happens: the post

>>383903036
U mean
On windows:
>search for .exe on internet
>download .exe
>double click to install
>go through prompts
>done and open program

Penguin fags I hope polar bears eat your family

>>383900223
Because dependency hell

>>383903482
And you are one of those who think Linux is secure? What a fukin joke
It's secure because not a lot of people use otherwise it would have been the same as windows.

>>383903362
Wrong. I used arch for a few years, and only installed Manjaro "just to try it lol." I ended up having a really great experience on my desktop (especially since it comes with the drivers I need for my wifi card to work because broadcom). I always had update issues with arch, but no problems on Manjaro. It also doesn't shun a systemD-less system, so that's a plus. SystemD is systemDicks. Still use arch on my thinkpad though.

>>383903395
Nah, ubuntu is honestly fine. It's got great documentation and support and is a really good entry place into Linux. It requires the least configuration as far as Linux goes. I'm a huge fan of Ubuntu MATE since the maintainers are cool and MATE is a great DE.

>>383903662
Nice argument
It wasn't me that updated it btw

>>383903593
add anti spy-bot software and dual-boot with Linux. use windows as gaming-exclusive only.

>>383903327
>go to google
>find forums discussing similar issues
>everyone suggesting different command line shit
>everything gives a different ambiguous error

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>don't wanna upgrade w10 in the future
>win7 wont be supported on later cpus
>going to have to use linux
>no games on linux and its anti-user friendly

why isn't there a better alternative? macs are even worse

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>>383903681
>a open source OS would be less secure than a closed source OS made by pajeets
yeah sure

>>383903601
this only happens if you use PPAs without knowing what you're doing

>>383903728
>reinstall after backing up everything
Wew that was easy

>>383903638
>redhat/fedora
>masterrace of anything.

LMAOing at your life. I get people are down on arch (especially since the community are all faggots) but fedora is probably the dumbest distro ever.

>>383903765
You could make the argument that being open source makes it easier to find vulnerabilities, though.

>>383903664
you forgot

>oh noes virus!

>oh noes avast and mcafee were forced-installed!

>>383903534
Of course, how are new are you? Linux is inspired by communal ideals such as sharing. Compared to commercial solutions, open source software frequently works better in theory than in practice. Commercial markets are relatively quick to adapt to change.
There are also many organizational issues that obstruct OSS development, Linux included. It's generally harder to make decisions in a group than as a dictator.

>>383903747
just use linux
if you aren't retarded like some people in this thread you'll be fine

>>383903791
>won't install correctly in the first place
wew

>>383903681
its the same but a lot of retards like you say windows is more secure but it isnt, in windows everything is run as admin, 99% of windows users dont have separate accounts, its a disaster

>>383903747
Seriously, I want you to install virtualbox on your current machine and use it to try Linux Mint in a window. It's nowhere near as unfriendly as rumors would have you believe.

>>383900223
Windows is easier to develop for
People don't want to go through a million optimization issues on linux

>>383903804
they also patch them that way retard
no one is going to search through millions of lines of source code to find a vulnrability that someone else will find soon after

>>383900223
>>Modern linux is a very nice environment for anyone

lol just... lol

>>383903747
honestly dual booting isn't as bad as it sounds.

Everybody shitposts that "oh linux is really hard" but it just requires a different way of using your computer. Now t ha I'm used to it, I don't know how I lived without installing all my programs from terminal. It's just so quick and easy

>>383903801
Why?

>>383903923
Do you really think the NSA finds vulnerabilities then reports them?
You'd be very mistaken

>>383903765
Linux isn't really more secure than Windows. It's really more a matter of scope than anything. No matter what malware, exploits, and bad users exist EVERYWHERE. One being more secure than the other is nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Malware exists for *nix, Mac, Windows, Android, iOS, Symbian, Xbox(yes), hard drives, and bios. No operating system is more secure than any other, the difference is in the number of attacks and scope of attacks. I can't believe you are this retarded. Please go shill about linux elsewhere.

>>383903804

You don't need to make the argument, it's already happened. The notion that open source means security vulnerabilities get found faster is utter crap, shellshock was there for literally fucking decades.

>>383900223
>>Modern linux is a very nice environment for anyone
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Faggot

>>383903981
>no wannacry for linux
Guess we win again faggots

>>383903817
>getting a virus
Are you 12 or mentally retarded? i dont get viruses even if i download shit from jewtube tutorials.

What is better, an os developed by a multi billion company or the one made by twenty dudes in their garage.

>>383903971
https://web.archive.org/web/20130622044225/http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/06/how-can-any-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again/index.htm
>What companies and governments want is for those flaws to be fixed as soon as possible, so that they can't be exploited by criminals to wreak damage on their systems. And yet we now learn that one of the first things that Microsoft does is to send information about those vulnerabilities to "multiple agencies" - presumably that includes the NSA and CIA. Moreover, we also know that "this type of early alert allowed the U.S. to exploit vulnerabilities in software sold to foreign governments".

>>383903036
yeah this isn't biased

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>everyone defending linux
>>383903464
>HURRR RETARD DONT DO WHAT IT SAYS AND IT WILL WORK
yeah okay

>linux for games

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>>383904067
>you realize that many viruses can be hidden in your system without you knowing it right?

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>>383903817
I haven't gotten a virus in over 10 years fag it's called not being a retard

>>383903937
Shitposting, arch babby damage control aside, I don't see anything fedora can offer any other distro does.

I don't think its package manager is doing anything spectacular different than apt-get, and I prefer aptitude or pacman. The fact that it is backed by Redhat but is apparently a "freedom-focused distro" gives me concerns. I also feel the focus on freedoms limits it. Although I seem to recall being impressed by the font rendering and polish for being a freedom focused distro.

I don't have anything against it. It just doesn't do ANYTHING for me personally

>>383903286
you have to be straight up retarded to have Windows update in the middle of that. Like seriously this guy uses his OS for his profession and he's too stupid to reschedule an update? Please...

I use linux since a long time ago, but seeing how lots of people here praise windows 8.1 so much and bash linux, I decided to try it. To my realisation this "windows 8.1 is good" thing is an elaborate troll; here are my reasons:

Just after finishing installing it I rebooted and noticed that it wrote over grub, thus forbidding me to boot my other OS's. Why would you even do that? Why doesn't it check if there are other OS's installed and let me choose?

After my first dissapontment I booted into my fresh windows 8.1 install and tried to install drivers for my gpu, after 5 minutes trying to find a package manager and some googling I understood that windows doesn't work like that! You have to go to the website of the GPU manufacturer to download drivers! WHY????!!!! Linux had package managers since before I had hair in my penis, how can windows, an OS made by a fucking billionaire corporation, don't have a simple package manager? I fucking had to use "internet explorer" (a fucking excuse to a good browser) to get a real browser!

And it doesn't stop there! you have to look online for every program you want, all have different installers that make you agree to some obscure legal documents and try to install shitware like toolbars all over your computer! And that's not all, if you want to update most of these programs you can't fucking click somewhere to update them all, you have to update each of them manually, lots don't even have a way of updating them so you have to go to their site and download the new version!

Also you can't do fucking anything with the "command line", it doesn't bring any of the famous coreutils available on all Linux distros and even Mac OSX! The command line is a fucking joke only made to show that their excuse for an OS could be useful.

After raging for a few hours I understood your trolling /v/ and will stay away from that piece of crap you faggots love to rice

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>>383903063
>>383903261
>>383903294
>>383903004
>>383903028
>"I'm tech savvy and stuff! I don't use windows 10 because of updates and privacy!"
>is too retarded to google how to block automatic updates and microsoft datamining

>>383902749
Linux hipsters BTFO

>>383904074
the one with more game compatibility

>>383904074
The one people actually develop software for

>>383904168
>don't do what it says
Linux never begs you to update though

>>383904229
>expecting windows to play nice with GRUB

dude, everybody who's anybody knows you chain load grub off NTLDR...

>>383904237
>he thinks you can just 'turn off' datamining

>>383904226
how about update asks to restart instead of shutting down everything without giving an option to save?

>>383904208
Sure thing Godot, next you are gonna tell me 12 year olds making jewtube tutorials can get acces to those sort of viruses.

>>383904221
yeah, this is how I feel about it personally as well
I guess it might be nice if you want to use selinux or something

>>383904349
It doesn't do that afaik unless you wait with updating for a long time
And now you can defer updates 35 days

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>>383904316

>>383903286
I've literally never had this happen but I don't leave my computer on 24/7

>>383903294
>have linux
>cant even play the game without glitchy wine or some other shitty WINDOWS emulator

Wew boi u really got us window fags

>>383904237
>tfw you quoted me first and clearly didn't read

There is evidence of it STILL asserting itself even if you remove all of it. It does some rootkit tier bullshit to make that happen too

>>383903464
>never update until documentation is a plenty
what

>>383904404
>It doesn't do that afaik
it literally happened in that webm
>b-but it works on my machine

>>383904513
nice job reading the sentence

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>>383904346
>it's only a matter of copy/pasting a list of addresses into a text file
Linuxtards, everyone

>>383904414
Are you retarded? Have you used linux before.

>>383903286
>updates
Disabled them 10 minutes after building my pc.

>>383904578
yes
how else could I take a picture of a linux terminal

Why is no one using linux if it's so much better?

>>383904546
it doesnt matter how long you wait, this should never happen, keep sucking that dick

>>383904648
it isn't

>>383904648
Because we're on a video game board. And video games are the thing linux does not do better.

>>383904556
>have to get special enterprise only version
>have to edit group policy
>thinks he can just block it in the hosts file
>thinks microsoft spyware honors the hosts file

>>383904672
If that is the case though, another case of WannaCry will happen just because "lol I don't want to update xD"

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>>383902881
Yes anon it's all about the money. Capitalism won the USSR lost.

That evil Microsoft!

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Why not run Linux in a VM on Windows?
It's much easier than the other way around

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>everyone complaining about windows monitoring statistics
I hope you don't have a cell phone service, use Google, Yahoo, Bing, iOS, Android, any social media, Amazon, or do any other online shopping at all. If you do, you're being monitored and tracked.

>>383903286
This is fake, the broadcast software process would have ended along with everything else.

>>383900223
As a regular Ubuntu user, why advanced Linux users are obsessed with using distros that requires a complex installation and why having full control of the packages you install? on what purpose ?

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>using linux in front of class mates
>teacher says "Ok students, now open photoshop"
>start furiously typing away at terminal to install wine
>Errors out the ass
>Everyone else has already started their classword
>I start to sweat
>Install GIMP
>"Umm... what the fuck is THAT anon?" a girl next to me asks
>I tell her its GIMP and can do everything that photoshop does and IT'S FREE!
>"Ok class, now drawa use the shape tool to draw a circle!" the teacher says
>I fucking break down and cry and run out of the class
>I get beat up in the parking lot after school

>>383904648
everyone who actually enjoys using their computer runs linux
everyone who just wants to be a consumer installs wondows

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>>383904718
>>thinks microsoft spyware honors the hosts file
>>It does some rootkit tier bullshit to make that happen too
Please substantiate these claims.

>>383904781
>not having wine preinstalled

>>383904452
Linux ain't for gaming son. (also VM and wine)

>>383902963
Actually I'm running win10 Enterprise LTSB on a 6 year old laptop.

>>383900223
>2017
>Using Linux
>Talking About Linux

Let me guess you are using a fedora right now?

>>383904729
its like windows cant wait for users to shut it down, because windows users keep their pc turn on 24/7, you are this retarded

>>383904759
It's a hobby like any other. These people simply enjoy tech stuff. A regular user has no reason to look beyond stuff like Ubuntu or Manjaro or whatever.

>>383904756
that defeats the whole fucking reason to use linux
now you're running a spyware os with a actual os on top of it for some reason
>>383904759
I'm autstic and like to control everything

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This fucking thread, jesus christ! I knew /v/ was bad, but holy shit.

An apparently long overdue reminder from /g/ that
>defending Windows for any reason
is only done by irredeemable normies or shills
>not caring about user privacy or even welcoming the violation of it
makes you a cuck

>waaa LInux is haaaard
Any popular distro is way ahead of Windows in terms of user-friendlyness

>dual-booting is a pain
The future of gaming is virtualization with GPU passthrough. It's been becoming more and more popular in the last couple years. How is it that /v/ isn't all over this shit yet?

Soon you'll never have to install Microshaft malware on bare metal again. Make your Linux distro of choice the host OS and you contain Windows with all the games within a VM. Hardware compatibility is becoming less of an issue as well.

>>383904556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzc5wK2-pc
It's a cat and mouse game, Anon.
Whenever spy domains are discovered, Microsoft will just register new.

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>>383900223
Run windows in a VM without internet access and pirate everything.

>>383904857
Except these happen at scheduled times that you can change anytime

>>383904924
GPU passthrough isn't straightforward at all to do, though

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>>383904838
what's your point, I am too

>>383904924
Overdue reminder from the rest of the world that
>linux is a piece of shit for low functioning autists like you

>>383904980
except it should ask before restarting, imagine this was a word document or other important shit, all gone because windows is retarded, just like you

>>383904982
>oh wow I have to follow a guide and edit some driver configs that was hard

>>383904924
Doesn't VM cause server performance issues?

>>383904980
I restart my machine regularly
the entire "working hours" bullshit is just insulting

>>383905047
Maybe you should just update once in a while? And not wait for fucking weeks with it?

>>383904924
>durrr I'm a loser who likes to code a port for every game I want to run because it doesn't work
>so satisfying when it works and I get 1/16th of the frames I should get

>>383905082
that's the whole fucking reason you're passing through a GPU

>>383905082
you remap the memory range used for communication between the kernel and the GPU to the address space of the virtual machine
so no
it's near-native performance

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Can anyone give me good programs to block microsoft spyware? I am a dual-boot user.

I WILL give free Edeas for anyone that answers me,

>>383905143
>he thinks you have to recompile proprietary video games to get them to work
>he calls programming 'coding'
>he thinks editing wine configs is programming

>>383903457
far more. with linux you have fully functional GUI for all ultra-casual users, and a single, consistent, supremely well-designed terminal interface for everyone else.

vs windows which is hard to even describe. two separate GUI systems, with core apps split evenly between them and many core apps having a subtly different versions for each. core apps split up and dumped all over the place (in the system hierarchy) that you need to google around to find out where (and they're ancient shit anyway, so you want to get modern 3rd party replacements). some apps still require terminal and each of those has entirely different interaction/syntax. barely anything is documented. they took out basic filesearch in favor of stealth-advertising web-search. tons of backwards compatibility cruft.

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>>383905136
what fucking weeks you massive retard? i restart windows every day, why cant it do updates after i shut it down?

>>383905165
right """near"""-native

>>383904980
>Disabled temporarily but we'll turn it back on later regardless.

>>383905201
code a loopthrough in the kernel

>>383905201
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
I don't know how much this helps

>>383900287
>Gee, I sure do like using terminal to install new programs!

I non-ironically want steam for dos

>>383905201
If you're on W10, all of them are snake oil and you'll be spied on nonetheless.
If you're on 7 or 8, you simply need to uninstall appropriate updates.

>>383905245
it does...?

>>383905245
It does do that if you shut it down unless it didn't download updates entirely yet

>>383905201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoSg3fSB7PA

>>383905216
lol dude just get a Mac, it's the same thing but with actual support

>>383900223
fuck that, I wouldn't want the transitional period where at some point you'd have to dual boot.

SteamOS probably would have been the answer but microsoft killed it.

Linux is good for other things. Just leave it there.

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>>383905287
>feelsbad.png

>>383905326
>just buy a shiny toy for millenails with too much money
>just buy a computer designed to take as much control away from you as possible and sell it back to you later

>>383905317
then your entire argument is invalid and windows should ask before restarting, it probably wasnt even 1 day when windows farce restart his pc

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>>383905287
oopps bad image

>>383900418
>>383901030
Nonsense.
For example, take Fedora. Its graphical software manager allows you to download KeePass. As in, the C# version. It doesn't work unless you launch it with very specific command line parameters to make Mono bend over because C# is such a piece of shit.
Meanwhile, the native KeePassX is in the repositories, so available via dnf, but not in the grpahical software manager.

>>383905414
better than the meme penguin machine

>>383905258
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/how-fast-is-kvm-host-vs-virtual-machine-performance/110192

>>383905326
I never understood the appeal of macs post 80's.

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>>383904226
Everyone I know uses Enterprise anyway. Windows 10 Home really IS a piece of shit but the Enterprise version is just as good as win 7.

Look Linux is great if you don't want to be a pirate fag. Otherwise aquire Enterprise and tweak it to your own specifications.

>pirate master race

>>383905429
>windows should ask before restarting
it does that, too.

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>>383905281

>>383905475
t. dell user

>>383905326
it's too expensive for what it does and is proprietary
otherwise I would

>>383905509
clearly not in that video >>383903286

>>383905429
also only restarts outside of active hours

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>>383905537
>2017
>not using the last generation of best laptops

>>383905336
>SteamOS probably would have been the answer but microsoft killed it.

Microsoft didn't kill it, nobody gave a shit about it and in typical Valve fashion it's been mostly forgotten now because we all didn't leap onto it instantly for them.

Besides, it was just Debian distro that had been shitted up with proprietary, closed source Valve shit. Why would anyone who wants Linux want that?

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>>383905324

>>383905689
Don't the chink's own Thinkpad with included hardware backdoors?

>>383905689
nice jizz touchpad

>>383905689
REMOVE BOATKIN remove boatkin
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>>383905592
see >>383904758

>>383900223
linux is fucking garbage

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>>383905879

>>383905879
UHM
ACKSHUALLY
WYNE

>>383905689
>Iowa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl3FJ5KbtTU

>>383905784
you can remove it
https://www.coreboot.org/

>>383905787
that's just what happens when you don't ever use it

>>383906003
dude if u install Ubuntu there's no jizz, I promise. just use wine.

>>383905936
If someone is good at editing gifs, would you be so kind to make the guy's skin turn towards brown as soon as the nameplate flips?
Cuz /pol/ is mostly blacks deluding themselves that they are white

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>>383904758
>This is fake, the broadcast software process would have ended along with everything else.
Not sure if trolling

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>>383900287
/thread
/thread
/thread

>>383906093
it's literally where my thumbs rest when typing

Can you even play on VMs? Or are they slow and stupid?
Running a pc in a pc isn't efficient for gaming is it?

>>383903036
>enter "http://www.google.com/" into URL bar
>not just clicking your browser and searching for the download link

what are you 60?

>>383905784
all modern hardware comes with unremoveable hardware backdoors
on Intel platforms it's the management engine
on AMD it's the platform security processor
it has access to your network interfaces, you can't remove the thing from the motherboard and you can't re-flash firmware to try to disable it at all

>>383906198
wash ur hands u crusty jizz coated bastard

>>383900223
Windows 10 is better than Linux. And it also happens to have games. Enjoy never ever playing anything relevant.

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>just turn off the botnet
>it will be ok

>>383905784
>>383906290
>hardware backdoors
Are you niggers wearing tinfoil hats too?
That shit's theoretical, and even if it were real no one has ever been pwned for that

>>383906296
>skin has oil
>oil ruins adhesive on sticker

>>383906290
its has access but where does it send all the info to? where is it stored? oh wait, you are just memeing things you heard on redit nothing more, all of these backdors are local only, ie someone have to put special flash drive for it to work

>>383906371
it's literally running not only proprietary, but fucking encrypted code that you can't even hope to reverse-engineer
it has access to all of your hardware in a way that is completely undetectable by the actual operating system that you're running
I fail to see how it could be anything else other than an intentional hardware backdoor

>>383902394
I am a programmer, mainly with experience in developing video games, work tools, and mobile apps. I worked a lot on Linux, OS X and Windows. Let me give you some guidance.

Firstly, fuck Arch. You don't need that at all for what you want, and is definitely not the first thing you should be jumping to in any case.
Also, while Linux is a great development environment for most things if you can't afford a Mac (memes aside, whoever actually worked as a programmer on OS X knows it's pretty much the best in most cases), if you are even slightly serious about developing games, you won't be doing it on Linux. Hell, Unity don't even have a Linux version, so you would have to use wine just to run it and it wouldn't even run well. And Unreal 4 running on anything but Windows is absolute horseshit (slow and bugged, including on Mac). Like it or hate it, Windows is the ideal environment for developing games. It simply has the best compatibility.

It's the other way around, devs don't want to go to linux because of the low installbase

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>>383906564
https://forum.unity3d.com/forums/linux-editor.93/
>unity doesn't have a linux version
>KSP has a native 64 bit build for linux
stop lying out of your ass

>>383902394
Yes, you should go with gentoo because portage is great and going with a build that forces you to do all the nitty gritty setup stuff will not only get you more familiar with Linux, you will also have a much easier time debugging problems because you will have set it up in the first place :)

>>383906471
>it was the crust gremlins, I swear

>>383906486
:^)

>>383906646
>It released this year
My bad, last time I used Unity was middle of last year, so I wasn't aware. Does it run well, though?

>>383900223

Been using Windows all my life, can't bother to change, besides there's barely games on LInux

>>383906762
well enough to be more stable than the windows build

>383906762
As much as ksp does, that means like absolute shit.
Now go kill yourself catfucker

>>383906954
this anon gets it

>>383900223
>Have Linux as host OS
>run Windows as VM

Problem solved.

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educate
>chinks
>slavs
>br
on linux

get japs off of floppy discs

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>>383906954
moooods the poltard baiter forgot his medicine again!

>>383906954
Fuck communism and fuck you

>>383903675
>>383903601
This.
Try to use some older application that isn't developed anymore? Need to manually install some unsupported packages which may be conflicting with shit you have installed right now or will be installing in the future.

>>383903456
>Pressing a button on a switch is harder than rebooting

Sounds like you're just making excuses so you don't have to try it.
If you don't want to do it, don't - but don't make dodgy nonsense excuses to cover for it.

Why don't more devs use Vulkan?
Porting to different operating systems is easy as shit with it

>>383906954
>capitalism
the foundation upon which everything rests
>white people
built that foundation

instead of saying
>fuck capitalism and fuck white people
you can just say what you really wanted to say: "fuck the world"

>>383906954
Uhhh, nice censorship, capitalist pigs.

>>383907434
because it's a meme you dip

>>383907526
You're a meme retard

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>wangblows

>>383907608
>don't worry goy, we already installed the facebook spyw- i mean app on your device

>>383906894
Cool. I never had much problem with stability in Unity though. Neither on Mac nor Windows.
Unreal 4 on the other hand... it may be powerful, more feature packaged and all, but damn it's unstable as fuck. And unfortunately their Windows version is by far the best one.

>>383907608
if you disable every single option in the options menu and pretend the botnet isn't breathing down your neck win10 isn't THAT bad

>>383904838
Try running Win10 on a Core2Duo laptop or earlier or a mobile AMD CPU, not a good time. Linux runs great on old/weak hardware.

>>383903036
>apt-get
you prolly have some ubushit, not even debian?

>>383907729
whoa... they pre-installed it... guess it's hopeless, can't do anything about it, windows won and i'm now forced to use these programs and have no way to uninstall them. sucks for me!

>>383907821
no I use debian
I tried arch for a while, but it was just a little bit too autistic for me

>>383907821
apt-get is a debian's program you retard

>>383900223
let us wait for the year of Linux Desktop

>>383907849
>uninstall app
>update windows
>app is back
whoa, so this is the power of windows 10

>using Ubuntu
>ever

>>383907520
Mods are poles

>>383908004
literally has never happened, stop shilling for linux

>>383902749
Gee, thanks for clearing that up and assuring me that privacy isn't an issue, notbill.

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>>383908140
happens all the time, it also works the other around
>install program
>update windows
>program is gone
w-windows 10 master race, am i r-right guys

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>all these loonix nerds complaining about w10 as if they aren't smart enough to configure the OS to not be intrusive
if you can use linux you can easily use W10
t. never had an update interrupt me

>>383908120
>they tolerated marine appraisals tho.

>>383903662
uhu, debian 9 isn't installing spotify because of these issues

>>383908369
It's not about user friendliness. It's just that Microsoft has proven beyond any doubt that it can't be trusted.

>>383908479
The fact that the NSA has his hands under his bollocks proves that

>>383908479
Linux has proven beyond any doubt that it's buggy trash

>>383908437
>spotify
what kind of retard streams proprietary music?

>>383907145
How is it a dodgy excuse? Here is my situation

>AyyMD processor so I would need a second GPU
>I could never do any gaymen on linux because i have to let the VM claim the GPU
>Need a switch to go back and forth on dual monitors
>If I was using discord in Linux and still wanted voicechat in Wangblows that's another switch
>Have to have more useless shit on my desktop for no fucking reason

OR (okay now stick with me on this one)
I can do my gaymen in Wine + Native, and boot to Windows for the few things i need to (especially since I still require some things in Windows anyways)

GPU passthrough is excellent for single monitor fags but if I'm just going to boot into a Windows VM why not just fucking boot into Windows and bypass all the bullshit? And I'm not even trying to pull a "oh well you're an idiot lol" type of argument, I legitimately want an answer to this.

>>383908878
werkz on my machine

>>383908993
nigger I've got 5 monitors and it works just fine

>>383908878
If you're retarded
Linux is more stable than Windows,that's why it's more used on servers

>>383909110
So you just passthrough your keyboard and keep a switch for your keyboard? What's the point? Or do you just never use your other monitors when you game?

>>383908993
>Using Discord
You deserve everything.

>>383909197
I have 1 monitor for wondows since all it's useful for is gaymen
I don't pass through my keyboard, I just use synergy
werkz just fine

>>383909120
what's your favorite game to play on a server? fukkin nerd lol

>>383909120
>that's why it's more used on servers
No it isn't. IIS is mostly used because Windows has what Linux don't: Dedicated commercial support along with native support for whatever proprietary software is used in that field and that's why companies use Windows, freetard.

>>383902746
>devs dev for windows because consumers use windows
>consumers use windows because devs dev for it
>the cycle continues forever

>>383909390
Team Fortress 2. What a about you?

>>383909612
Not for long, Google desktop will save us!

>>383909613
is that one of the 3 steam games with Linux support?

>>383909518
Yes it, stupid. Linux has entire distros dedicated to stability retard