I still can't comprehend why /v/ loves das3 so much From

>>383885138

it was garbage

the moment I saw there was no poise in the trailer, I was suspicious, and look how it FUCKING TURNED OUT

>>383885138

Idk wtf you mean, I beat bloodborne and only died once, on gasciogne. I'm currently stuck on pontiff in ds3

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>>383885138
/v/ defends the game every day

>>383885138
Because it has the best gameplay and that's all that matters senpai

>>383885909
you just suck, that sort of thing never happened to me

>>383885138
DS3 gets shit on a lot and its widely regarded as worse than DaS, DeS and BB. I wouldn't say /v/ loves it, but it's still one of the better games released in the last few years.

yes it was boring visually and plot wise
still an improvement over that heap of shit that was DS2

>>383885909
>expect not to get hit by the shockwaves of a large weapon hitting the ground
PEBKAC

The game was linear as fuck, had about 2.5 colors, was rather short and area variety was the pits.

What didn't help was that it was the fifth in its series and they had no intentions of experimenting with the formula.

Like, I'd say the bosses were the best in the series but considering boss fights eat up way less time than the grey areas, only to unlook yet another grey-brownish swamp, that's only a relatively minor thing. You can't even refight them without beating the game. This franchise really needs some unlockable replayable boss fights as extra content.

And fresh ideas.

>>383885909
Get some adp nigga

>>383885138
best bosses but lame levels, still much better than das2 tho

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>>383885909
Dark Souls 2 seems more like a direct sequel to DS1 than DS3.

>>383885138
>From and Miyazaki literally sacrificed everything for the "muh cinematic experience"
Disagree. That being said, I dislike the game for other reasons. Weapon imbalance and linear world design really kills the replay value. Ds1 and Ds2 (Yes, Ds2 as well) both had great replay value, which is why I loved the Souls series. Ds3 feels so bleh. I can play a new character until the catacombs and I get bored and no longer want to play. I also have my problems with some of the PvP stuff, but that stuff i care less about

For a long time i didn't finish DS3 because it felt uninspired

Tried several times but got bored slightly after the profaned capital

Finally i decided to stick with it and i really liked it.
End game areas are quite nice

All the souls games are good

can't parry with a medium shield becaue it's too slow, need to put on caetus...
Thanks Miyazaki...

I don't what the fuck this is with the das3 hate. Everyone was loving it on launch and despite the no poise meme. wouldn't surprise me if it's sonybro falseflagging because it's multiplat.

>>383886421
But DaS3 also has plenty of references in it, almost more than there are in 2.

>>383886284
kek, nice joke anon.

>>383885138
It's not just /v/ that mostly loves it

>>383885138
Dark Souls 2 killed the franchise, brought all these casuals which defend it now.

>>383886779

and 3 also shit on the entire combat system by removing poise to be like their more successful title, bloodshart

>>383885990
It feels better to control your character but the gameplay as a whole is garbage.

>>383886621
It's because it's good for one playthrough and then falls apart more and more. The DLC was also pretty crap so anyone holding out for the DLC to save the experience like with DaS2 got let down.

>>383886949
No, that'd be the DaS PC port.

>>383886779
DS3 actually alludes to places/events from DS1, so it makes sense. On the other hands, DS2 makes a bunch of references to DS1 but any solid connection is all vaguely worded trying to be mysterious.

>>383886310

>fifth

1. Demon's Souls (doesn't really count)
2. Dark Souls
3. Dark Souls 2 (.. the 3rd)
4. Bloodborne (doesn't really count)
5. Dark Souls 3

so you talking about 3 or 2 anon?

>>383886621
I loved it on my first run. But my main issue with the game isn't that it's necessarily bad, it's that the replayablity feels like GARBAGE. I don't have any real desire to play 3 again
>Well maybe you're just burned out
I still play 1 and 2 to this day. 3 just doesn't have the same excitement

>>383887068
Correct.

>>383887068
Imagine if they wouldn't have rushed out another souls game. we would have gotten something glorious and the 3rd installment wouldn't have been toned down for the casuals.

>>383885138
Where did all these DaS2 fanboys come from? I remember not too long ago everyone was literally saying that DaS2 was the worst in the series, now we have like 50 threads a day about it.

>>383887127
Yeah same feeling here. Only Souls game I didn't immediately replay after beating it.

>>383885138
>"muh cinematic experience"
You're using that meme completely wrong, DaS3 is not a "cinematic experience" at all

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Dark Souls 3 is the best Souls game. It is infinitely better than DS2 and slightly better than DS1 due to incredible amount of polish, incredible level design (The Undead Settlement is one of the best Souls levels)

>>383887427

>polish

>no fucking poise

are you retarded or just a ds3babby?

>>383887280
And I remember how people who played des shat on das with actually solid arguments
DaS2 was solid game, just more in the KF style
DaS3 is just straight up pile of shit without any redeeming qualities

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>>383887427
>Dark Souls 3 is the best Souls game.
>It is infinitely better than DS2
>incredible amount of polish
>incredible level design
cringe my dude

>>383885138
/v/ constantly hates on das3

While we're on topic, I just managed to beat midir and jesus fuck I got mad every time I chained two moves in a row that prevented me from hitting him even once

>>383887084
Kind of but there are also bizarre references without solid connections in 3 as well like the Storm Ruler just kind of being there and being shit or all the references to being able to cut tails off dragons when you can't even do it yourself and all the references to DaS2 also typically lack a solid connection. The other references are definitely far more direct though even if they're mostly poorly done.
It's kind of weird going from a game where events sort of repeat themselves but the real stuff is lost to time to a game where the events and areas are referenced and appear directly.

>>383887427
The level design isn't that great and polish is definitely lacking.

>>383887427
If you think undead settlement has anything on undead burg and parish you have some seriously shit taste. Undead settlement wasn't bad but one of the best in the series? Maybe because it immediately precedes some atrocious levels

>>383886310
Bloodborne is debatable but Demon's Souls definitely count. And what does the .. 3rd even mean in relation to the point you're trying to make?

>>383887684

im asking which game you were critisizing.

>>383885198
You need to learn to parry.

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>>383887498
>DaS2
>Shit replayability
>Enemy hordes constantly
>Bad bosses
>Bad level design
>Delayed combat+
>Downgraded graphics on release
>Absurd plot
>Not many memorable protagonists
The list can go on, there were so many people that made fun of it.
>Dark Souls 3
>Shit replayability
>15% of the game is in a swamp
>Really good fucking boss fights
>greatest themes
>bad DLC
I cant agree with you guys, Dark Souls 2 really did feel like shit.

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>>383887795
>>Shit replayability
>>Enemy hordes constantly
>>Bad level design
>>Delayed combat+
>>Absurd plot
>>Not many memorable protagonists

>>383887723
Oh whoops I quoted wrong post, meant to quote >>383887116.

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>>383885198
1.- use iron flesh
2.- spam R1
3.- ????
4.- profit

>>383887427
> incredible amount of polish
What?
Just compare das2 covenants and das3 ones
Or weapon usability
Or magic system where no reason to keep anything but strongest dps wise attacking spell. Even in des it made sense to keep different spells
Or maybe all boss battles what were made with melee character in mind and you can't kill shit while being pure range? For compression in bloodborne it's possible to kill bosses with tools without letting them come close
Where polish?
>incredible level design
Completely false
Worst individual level design in the entire series
For example 3-1 never stopped me from replaying des despite the fact that second half is empty 5 minutes long corridor with only 2 enemies(red phantom and faggot you need to kill for the idol to stop resurrecting) or 5-2, the most nightmarish swamp in the series. Same could be said about das2 levels, they didn't looked great but still can be replayed without problems
Bloodborne has amazing level design

>>383885138
it was fun

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>>383886421
Okay but how about
>Janky hitboxes
>Clunky and floaty animations that have no weight to them
>Uninspired as fuck enemy design
>>383885909
>Every fight is a mob fight
>Worst bosses in the series
>Worst music in the series
>Boring ass level design
>90% of NPCs only exist to be shopkeepers and have no interesting stories or information to give.

>>383885198
bring a decent shield, strafe to your left while hugging him, he's a tallfag so he can't hit the manlet that you are if you stay below his armpits. His move where he swings back to his side deals no damage, easily absorbed by any shield
Whenever he's done a few swing and is recovering, slash him a bit then go back to strafing

When he summons his clone you have to prepare a strong attack that hits the clone when it spawns then destroy it asap or you'll most likely die

DaS3 fags are BTFO once again
By the way why they always bring das2 into discussion even if no one mentioned it anywhere before?

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>>383888075
>>Clunky and floaty animations that have no weight to them
>>Uninspired as fuck enemy design
>every fight is a mob fight
>boring ass level design
>>90% of NPCs have no interesting stories or information to give.
He said DS2, not 3.

>>383887795

>>>>>>>DOWNGRADED COMBAT

>THEY LITERALLY REMOVED NOTHING AND ACTUALLY ADDED FEATURES LIKE EXTRA SPECIAL ANIMATIONS, AND DUAL WEILDING

>BOSSES ARE BIG AND FUCKING SCARY RELATABLE HUMANOIDS, AND WHEN THEY AREN'T, THEY ARE INVENTIVE MONSTERS

>GRAPHICS HAD TO BE DECREASED FOR YOUR SHITTY CONSOLE

>PLOT WAS HOT ASF AND REALLY DEEP IF YOU ACTUALLY READ IT, IM GUESSING YOU DIDN'T

>EVERY CHARACTER IN MAJULA, INCLUDING MY GUY WITH THE MOONLIGHT SWORD, THE DRAGON, WHEEL N DEAL MAN, ETC ETC

>REPLAYABILITY IS ACTUALLY GREAT GIVEN BOSS SOUL POSSIBILITIES, BUILD POTENTIAL, ETC

>ENEMY HORDE YOU IN EVERY SOULS TITLE IF YOU ARENT SMART, IM GUESSING YOU ARENT

>>383888285
>>>>>>>DOWNGRADED COMBAT
I said delayed

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>people keep telling me DS2 has no replayability when I'm still making builds to this day
>meanwhile every DS3tard is busy building their 544th melee build just to play their horrible pvp

>>383885909
I don't know what tweaks they made to the DS2 engine, but SotF is completely wonky-feeling to me. DS1, DS3, and Bloodborne all feel appropriate, but the movement and combat in DS2 is wholly unappealing to me. I can't really even get into the game, it's so off.

>>383888285
Yeah NPC in majula were great, specially the intricate crestfallen warrior character ques-
oh.

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>>383888425
He was the pussy undead that introduces you to the Way of Blue, aka the pussy covenant.

DS3 is boring as shit and while having replayed 1 and 2 for like 20 times I just did one run of NG+ and put that mess aside
>remove every good addition from 2
>super boring and bland level design
>pvp even worse

>>383888425
To be frank, he was an upgrade to "fuck this shit, I'm gonna get hollow" dude.
He had a covenant and would give you items depending on how many invaders you killed.

>>383888425
He just sat there each time. did he even have a name?

>>383888703
Crestfallen Knight / Warrior.
Same as DeS and DaS.

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Dark souls 3 >>> DS2

Soul memory=Trash. Bunch of over leveled scrubs thinking they are good at PvP, with their soul level 500s fighting 150s

Invading in DS2=Trash. Oh you want to heal, too bad cause only the host can, oh wait he has 2 phantoms also, and seed of a giant that last 24 hours. You want to heal, lol, have fun wasting your stats on healing spells that take 5 min to cast, while phantoms are chasing you down. This lead to people using more megamules, until scholar came out, but it was already too late once bloodborne came out.

Laggy pvp with mages, so much fun, teleporting weeb spells,

Nerfing all the fun out of the game, mages cried and cried they couldnt spam magic vs avalyn. Avalyn was nerfed into the ground. Bunch of weeb trash mages just want to spam spells, but cant handle when someone else finds a way to beat them with the avalyn.

DS2 was too easy, they had to nerf dark magic, cause speedrunners and morons like DSP, also did nothing but spam magic to beat the game.

Worst bosses out of the soul series, all the bosses in DS2 are a joke, the only bosses that are semi hard are Dark Lurker and Fume Knight.

High level pvp-as much as scrubs complain that str weapons are not used in high level play in DS3, str weapons were also not used as much in tournaments or high level play compared to weapons like the Ice rapier, warped sword, and katanas.

character movement in DS2 is trash.

Im glad DS2 pvp is dead. Dark souls 3 was just better made for pvp.

>>383888678
>he was an upgrade to "fuck this shit, I'm gonna get hollow" dude.
That guy hollowed because he was already losing hope.

>>383888754
>>383888652
>>383888582
>>383888361
>>383888285
>>383888213
>>383888075
>>383887993
>>383887795
>>383887867
>>383887523
>>383887427
>>383887116
>>383886421
>>383885909
Opinions aside. This is why Dark Souls threads are complete shit.

>>383888678
Sure but also

Stone Trader Chloanne
Rosabeth
That mage dude you find in the Warf
Ladder guy

All just stay there the whole time after you find them, which is a shame. I loved the game though

>>383888842

"im the guy that walks in last minute and gives everybody a (you) and calls them degenerates"

Ds3 was pretty great in my first playthrough. Had the coolest boss fights, but I just can't bring myself to replay a 2nd time. I think it's because the pvp balance and invasion rules are so garbage that I know there's no point. Meanwhile Im still playing ds2 to this day. I've been doing the bell keeper covenant and had this crazy invasion where I invaded as a red spirit and then a bell keeper gray spirit invaded followed by a blue spirit because the host was part of the way of the blue covenant. He also had a phantom wi th him as well. Shit was so hilarious.

>>383888917
I dont even need to check anymore, everytime I see these threads I know whats going on in them.
I just came in to explain to you why we cant even have a decent thread about DaS lore/story or anything else related.

>>383889008
>PvP fags

>>383887478
it has objectively the best poise system of the entire franchise, based on hyper armor not some retarded magical static resistance to stagger

>>383888754
anyone that uses magic is fucking gay.
It's the lamest fucking build you can make, tbqh.

I wish they would just completely remove mages.
it takes no skill to run away and spam r1 soul arrows like a huge faggot.

I don't feel like replaying dark souls 3 but that doesn't mean I think It's worse than das2. It has less replayability but the experience itself was better than das2, like substantially better.

>>383889327
t. baby that can't kill squishy mages

>>383889207
>wear armour made from solid rock
>flinch when a rat nibbles on your shoe
>best

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>>383885138
>DS2 fag

I do not agree, I rather enjoyed (and am still enjoying) Dark Souls 3.

>>383888425
Yep, he was actually better with how herecovered from depression with time compared to the
>DeS: I say 2 lines and disappear
>DaS: I say 4 lines and go hollow
>DaS3: I say 3 lines and will try to kill you because you has shiny stone I want

>>383889548
I only played 1 and a bit of 2
What item makes your dodge be a teleport? Cause that seems OP

>>383889548
Who are you quoting?

>>383888425
>Blacksmith Andre is just randomly ported in from the first game without his fistfighting prowess. He's also a centralized smith because they fucked up smithing.
>Game can't even do Patches right because in every single instance that he appears there is no apparent threat of backstabbing. When he backstabs you in the Cathedral he has access to none of the switches that he activates and when he locks you in when you're at the shrine he doesn't exist before that cutscene.
>Greirat doesn't stock the right items for all or almost all of his expeditions. Additionally the disconnected hub means that every NPC has to be capable of warping there potentially at will so any suspense is artificial.
>Horace doesn't react to sparkling stones used by the player and since the hub is disconnected he shouldn't be capable of being separated from Anri because NPCs can warp at will.
>Shrine handmaid will treat just about every ash the same except for one instance.
>None of the merchant characters have alternate lines for when you learn spells or provide them with spellbooks out of order.
>Orbeck doesn't actually go hollow and just winds up dead somewhere which is a black mark against best NPC.

>>383889207
It's honestly pretty bad. The only use it has is trading and it ruins enemy design but it also doesn't visually correlate with anything outside of a lot of really big enemies having a riposte system.

>>383885138
>why /v/ loves it
I thought that there's a consensus that it's overall worse than 2

>>383889207
Sorry but no, 3 is my fav but the poise is utter shit. You can cheese humanoids by using hyperarmor while they would stunlock you without it

>>383889426
>>383889426
>uses magic
lel
faggot casual

>>383886421
literal meme opinion

>>383889906
>Not wearing armor and using consumables that make magic do no damage

>>383889771
>Give excrement-covered ashes
>GRACIOUS. PASSING FINE ASH THOU'ST GIVEN

>>383889696
it's not a teleport it just makes you briefly invisible during the animation

bb and das2 had a similar feature

>>383889906
>calling other people casuals when you can't kill players with 1000hp at the most
lmao faggot

>>383889771
>None of the merchant characters have alternate lines for when you learn spells
Orbeck comments when you buy all Oolacile spells and calls them a gimmick. All of them react when you give them tomes which was enough for me. I do agree it's not as complex as it should have been though.

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>>383885909
>“Allowing the player to invest into a stat that can make their animations faster is a good thing”

I enjoyed ds3 much more than ds2.

>>383890032
c a s u a l

>>383889207
hyper amor is retarded magical static resistance to stagger.
just because you're mounting x blow doesnt mean you shouldnt feel the hit of a warhammer.
from just can't into proper defensive stats

>>383890412
Shut up, das2 fag

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>nobody has a problem with Elana
>die to her 20+ times, only got lucky because she summoned pigs

>everyone dick rides Fume Knight
>beat him on my third try, didn't think much of it

Am I being trolled?

das1 poise in 3 was not possible because the sped up combat. it's the solution to avoid a guy with a dagger in havels armor to be unkillable

>>383890491
Different builds have problems with different bosses

>>383887478
>poisebabby
fuck off with your easymode garbage, nerfing the fuck out of poise was one of the very few things DaS3 did right
also nice reddit spacing

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>decided to give up on the Souls series after the travesty that was DSII (both the game itself AND the rerelease)
>only ever played maybe an hour of DSIII at a friend's house one time
>still don't plan to give FROM any more of my money
>still know DeS was the best, bar none
How am I doing, guise

>>383886421
It's mostly true, but come on. Rats? Rats are common enemies in nearly every game.
Also Kalameet and Sinh are pretty different fights, so I feel that's kind of a stretch.
>>383886949
Oh no, Dark Souls "Prepare To Die" Edition brought it in the spotlight, but it didn't kill the franchise. Still, at that point, the fanbase became a cesspool of idiots.

>>383890554
I've done a hex build, a power stancing pure strength greatsword build, and even an awful spear-wielding pure dex build and have had the same outcome for both bosses. This must be some sort of meme

>DS2 children constantly upset someone might not think DS2 was good and had serious flaws

Why do DS2 babies get so defensive over nothing?

>>383890801
I agree with you on everything besides Demon's Souls being the best when Dark Souls is better in every conceivable way

>>383887795
>DaS2
>Shit replayability
>Absurd plot
>Dark Souls 3
>Really good fucking boss fights
>greatest themes
Nani

>>383889548

I may also add: The animations and feedback are worse in DS2 as well. The attacks feel lethargic in comparison to DS3. The overall controlls feel spongy and the movement floaty. They never got rid of the issue where your character moves faster over the ground than your feet movement would suggest it should, it simply doesn't match.
In the Dark Souls 3 all animations, be it movement or combat, have "weight" to it. You see it and you feel it.

This is one of the main reasons why I love Dark Souls so much. And all of that simply lacks in Dark Souls 2.

>>383885909

>>383891035
Something to do with autism, surely

>>383891035
>No one mentioned anything about das2 until das3 fags bought it into discussion
>BAAAAW WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DAS2 NOW111111
...are you okay, anon?

>muh builds
>muh pvp
It doesn't fucking matter, you can have all the toys, builds and gimmicks in the world, none of it fucking matters WHEN THE FUCKING GAME PLAYS LIKE SHIT. Bloodborne on fucking release with like 8 weapons and 2 minute long load times was an infinitely better game than the full """""fixed"""""" DaS 2 experience. DaS 3 is linear, and nothing, but melee is viable, but at least the fucking game was good for 1 play through. It had bosses and OST that rivaled the best DeS, DaS, and BB had to offer. What's the point of having a game with infinite replaybility, when even the very first fucking playthrough was a chore? DaS 2 is not fucking fun, it's a bad game, no amount of toys or features fixes shit animations, shit hitboxes, shit bosses, shit lore, shit levels, shit visuals, shit enemies and shit characters.

>>383891127
>I may also add: The animations and feedback are worse in DS2 as well
Add to what?

>>383891169
Nice nonargument. Stop being so defensive constantly that you take everything personal.

>>383891229
>WHEN THE FUCKING GAME PLAYS LIKE SHIT
This is why no sane person likes das3
Das2 plays fine even now
>DaS 2 is not fucking fun
Lie
> DaS 3 had bosses and OST that rivaled the best DeS, DaS, and BB had to offer.
lie again

>>383891137
I'm genuinely starting to think so.

>>383891329
???
Can you explain your position please
I honestly don't understand

>>383890491
The npc summon is incredibly useful for Elana because it divides a boss group. This happened in DaS1 as well with OnS, a summon is always useful but during multi-combatant bosses a summon is 10x more useful than an equivalent summon against a single boss. Meanwhile against Fume Knights the npc summons (and probably a lot of shitter player summons as well) aren't as useful and arguably make the fight harder by giving him more health and confusing his moveset.

In fact this is my running theory for everything about Fume Knight which otherwise seems like a complete meme, for example here's another Fume Knight Meme people like to post a lot:

>his moveset is massive, his AI has a deep pool to pull from so he's hard to predict!

It's actually super fucking easy to read so I initially didn't understand where this meme was coming from but if you've got a summon in the room mucking with the AI then suddenly it becomes a lot harder to read what he's doing.

>>383885138
>/v/ loves das3 so much

It's pretty divisive to anyone being objective. It's generally considered better than 2, but that's about it.

>DaS2 fans always use arguments and facts
>DaS3 fags only use feelings and emotions
Really makes you think

>>383891384
Stop being autistic and being irrationally angry when someone says anything about DS2 it happens every fucking thread and almost universally goes YOU SAID SOMETHNG ABOUT MAI WAIFU BUT SHES NOT AS BAD AS YOUR WAIFU every fucking time someone brings up a legit criticism of 2 you niggers don't even try to defend it and instead say how some other game is shit. I see it every fucking thread.

>>383891494
>das2fags always make stuff up
>non-das2fags (everyone else in the ""community"") don't care about their babby game

truly a conundrum

>>383891565
>YOU SAID SOMETHNG ABOUT MAI WAIFU BUT SHES NOT AS BAD AS YOUR WAIFU every fucking time someone brings up a legit criticism of 2 you niggers don't even try to defend it and instead say how some other game is shit
>Thread started with legit criticism about das3 until das3 fags tried to bring das2 from nowhere into discussion to defend their game, they were proved wrong
Then this post happened >>383891035
I honestly don't understand you
Are you retarded? Autistic?

>>383891127
ay boy
yesterday i went back to ds3 after playing ds2 and i can actually feel when i hit enemies.

>>383891229
>WHEN THE FUCKING GAME PLAYS LIKE SHIT. Bloodborne on fucking release with like 8 weapons and 2 minute long load times was an infinitely better game than the full """""fixed"""""" DaS 2 experience
They actually have around same online right now on the ps4
I wonder will it be even possible to find someone to invade in the das3 after year without updates
And bloodborne had more than 8 weapons at release, around 14-15 melee only, so why are you lying? It's like you didn't even played bloodborne but still trying to bring it into discussion because you have nothing to defend das3

>>383892002
>and i can actually feel when i hit enemies.
Yeah, like when you hit dogs with knife and they fly across room
10/10

>>383886284
please exercise butt, kek at cucks

>>383892120
good thing i don't use twink weapons
I only fight with chink steel

>>383885138
>edgy kids now hate DS3 so I can finally enjoy DS2 in peace
thank you jesus

>>383892268
don't worry the rest of us still hate das2, so you can stop being a contrarian any time edgelord

>>383891076
>calling out Dark Souls 2s plot
>when all of them are equally retarded and handwavey

ha

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>>383885909
DaS3 made me realize how mediocre monsters, bosses and level design in DaS2 even more.

>>383892401
tell me the plot of dark souls 2

you can't because there isn't one

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>>383892393
Calling someone contrarian because you don't have anything else to say doesn't convince anyone of anything. It only makes you look like an empty headed kid.

Outside of /v/'s very hive minded opinion, DaS2 is called a great game. It is contrarian to say it is shit.

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>>383892731

>>383892701
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dark+souls+2+plot

go have fun

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>>383892809
>no argument
>get shut the fuck down
>resorts to funnyjunk tier reaction images
yer done and so am I.

>>383892829
>first result
>I'm new to the series and the plot doesn't make any sense. What's going on? Am I dead, in hell or something?

really gets my noggin joggin

>>383892701
youre retarded right?
Dark souls 2 has more plot than any other souls game without masking lack of one by being LE DEEPXD AND PRETENTIOUS.

>>383892890
SHut up, das2kid

>>383892971
it has the least plot of any game to date

tetris unironically has more of a plot than dark souls 2

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>>383885138
>>383892731
Kill yourself, DS2fag

>>383892890
that's not even me my dude, is it your first day?

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>>383892890
>failing to cut off the user rating
>replying to someone else as if it's who they were talking to
>defending DaSII

>>383887993
Pure range is literally easy mode in ds3. It only takes patience and no skill whatsoever.

>>383893051
>hovering over recent instead of overall
nice
try

Its even more telling because at launch it really shit reviews. It climbed out of the hole while the rest were highly rated at the start.

>>383893298
it has both for each game you literal retard

>>383893298
Are you stupid or just retarded?

>>383885138
>muh cinematic experience
The fuck does this even mean?

>>383893373
I literally just posted it in the image above so no, fuck off kid.

>>383893402
"I don't like it but I don't have the wit to express myself and want replies"

>>383893402
Same thing as "overrated." Jack shit.

>>383893402
it means that the poster who posted that can't actually express themselves except through buzzwords they've heard on /v/ and which vaguely sound like the real criticism they are incapable of performing.

>>383892701
The Chosen Undead slays Mundus, and the remainder of his power is spread across the land, dormant. Millions of years later, each speck of power manifests itself into human form, and new kingdoms rise in the north. The new Manus sisters are drawn to the kings of these kingdoms due to their place, and plot to usurp them and spread dark across the world. Vendrick, horny king of Drangleic, goes across the seas to the land of giants looking for treasure and finds Nashandra, one of the sisters, and steals the art of soul transplant from the giants for his nerd brother Aldia to fuck around with to make golem servants and other whacky shit. The giants don't like this and track Vendrick down and war breaks out. Eventually Vendrick becomes suspicious of Nashandra and locks himself away deep under the castle with his ring in order to prevent Nashandra from entering the Kiln and destroying the throne used to rekindle the flame.

Then along comes the player character, venturing to the land of Drangleic under rumors of there being a cure for the undead curse. The player turns out to have been rused, that there was no cure, and that the only way to stave off the hollowing was to collect souls, and eventually meets up with the Emerald Herald, a biologically immortal Fire Keeper made by Aldia. She tells the player character that if he really wants to stay human that badly, and is strong enough to collect all the souls to do so, then he should become the land's new king, as their current one has disappeared and a shady queen remains. Player character has nothing better to do, since his memories of his past life are gone, so he decides to make the journey to get ripped and be a king.

Simple stuff really.

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>>383893298
>being this dumb

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>>383893587
>Mundus
Fuckin 7 in the morning. Manus I meant.

>>383893587
>>383893587
>The Chosen Undead slays Mundus, and the remainder of his power is spread across the land, dormant. Millions of years later, each speck of power manifests itself into human form, and new kingdoms rise in the north. The new Manus sisters are drawn to the kings of these kingdoms due to their place, and plot to usurp them and spread dark across the world. Vendrick, horny king of Drangleic, goes across the seas to the land of giants looking for treasure and finds Nashandra, one of the sisters, and steals the art of soul transplant from the giants for his nerd brother Aldia to fuck around with to make golem servants and other whacky shit. The giants don't like this and track Vendrick down and war breaks out. Eventually Vendrick becomes suspicious of Nashandra and locks himself away deep under the castle with his ring in order to prevent Nashandra from entering the Kiln and destroying the throne used to rekindle the flame.

Not part of the plot, plot =/= lore, plot = the journey of the player character

>Then along comes the player character, venturing to the land of Drangleic under rumors of there being a cure for the undead curse. The player turns out to have been rused, that there was no cure, and that the only way to stave off the hollowing was to collect souls, and eventually meets up with the Emerald Herald, a biologically immortal Fire Keeper made by Aldia. She tells the player character that if he really wants to stay human that badly, and is strong enough to collect all the souls to do so, then he should become the land's new king, as their current one has disappeared and a shady queen remains. Player character has nothing better to do, since his memories of his past life are gone, so he decides to make the journey to get ripped and be a king.

literally fanfiction, there's not a single thing you can cite for any of this, it's just your headcanon of what your own player was doing.

>>383891714
are you a fucking retard or what?

>>383893782
>Not part of the plot, plot =/= lore, plot = the journey of the player character
There's no use arguing with you retards.

>>383893587
wrong

drangleic is a limbo realm halfway between life and death

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>>383893402
I have no idea, either.

>>383893807
>standard that has been used to judge plot literally since DeS and is still used for DaSIII today
>doesn't want to use it to judge DaSII because its his favourite special snowflake game that would otherwise be completely nonsensical
>doesn't even actually address the argument either

typical

>>383893951
That's a funny right there, my friend :^)

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>people so insecure they have to justify the video games they like

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>>383893782
>not a single thing you can cite for any of this

>>Then along comes the player character, venturing to the land of Drangleic under rumors of there being a cure for the undead curse.
Intro cinematic

>The player turns out to have been rused, that there was no cure, and that the only way to stave off the hollowing was to collect souls
Things Betwixt cutscene.

>the Emerald Herald, a biologically immortal Fire Keeper made by Aldia.
Her dialogue in the Kiln before you fight Nashanra.

>She tells the player character that if he really wants to stay human that badly, and is strong enough to collect all the souls to do so, then he should become the land's new king
First time you talk to her.

>his memories of his past life are gone
Intro cinematic.

Pay attention next time.

>>383893464
100% accurate

>>383885170
Poise is a crutch. I never understood why so many people touted it as this great thing when all it does is lower the ability for enemies to interact with the player. If you wanted to just trade damage numbers with the enemies go play an mmo or something.

>>383894027
No seriously, what the fuck does that option even do?

>>383894076
>>>Then along comes the player character, venturing to the land of Drangleic under rumors of there being a cure for the undead curse.
>Intro cinematic

nope

>>The player turns out to have been rused, that there was no cure, and that the only way to stave off the hollowing was to collect souls
>Things Betwixt cutscene.

nope

>>the Emerald Herald, a biologically immortal Fire Keeper made by Aldia.
>Her dialogue in the Kiln before you fight Nashanra.

nope

>>She tells the player character that if he really wants to stay human that badly, and is strong enough to collect all the souls to do so, then he should become the land's new king
>First time you talk to her.

nope

>>his memories of his past life are gone
>Intro cinematic.

okay I'll give you this one sentence fragment

>Pay attention next time.

maybe you should consider doing this yourself so you don't get btfo when you accidentally post your own fanfiction next time

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>>383894341
>nope nope nope nope

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>>383894341
>get shut down
>embarrass yourself further
Do you even own DS2

>>383894428
Yeah those things don't happen in those cutscenes

try harder sweetie

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>>383894341

>>383894484
They literally do though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adBj5_lXngE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1c65xm9Fmw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7t3JkMWHfQ

>>383894576
so what's the next step of your master plan? Assume nobody will actually watch these to see how wrong you've just proven yourself?

>>383894576
Why did you just contradict yourself? I don't understand DS2 fanbabies

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>Earthen Peak-Iron Keep meme

>>383885138
>>383886496
>>383887280
>>383888285
>>383893294
>>383893430
>>383893782
>>383888285
>>383893958
>>383894576
>literally
>literally
>literally
>literally

I literally can't even guys ;) i am literally so triggered because of my mental illness and gender identity

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>>383885138
>the atmosphere of the abyss watchers fight
This is my first souls game and I fucking love it.
Are you playing the best weapons for pve or just something that's fun for you? I run through the game with my knight armor, shield and the ice sword and everything is so easy.
Was I overleveled with sl 45 against the abyss watchers? only died once against them and rolling = insta-win

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>>383895370
>DS3tard """ironically""" having a tumblr breakdown because they got BTFO and don't know what else to say
I literally can't laugh harder.

>>383895370
nigga what weird thing to say

>>383895465
>Was I overleveled with sl 45 against the abyss watchers
Yes, 40-50 is valley sl range

>>383895465
The ice sword is great until almost the end of the game - everything is weak to frost for the most part.

>>383895472
This is LITERALLY* my first post in the thread I just LITERALLY* noticed that a bunch of LITERAL* fucking faggot niggers on 4chan are LITERALLY* using this LITERAL* word too fucking much lately, as if they are trendy urban artists on tumblr. I think you should all LITERALLY* kill yourselves.

*formatted for the comprehension of fucking retarded faggots who need to kill themselves

>120 is the meta SL

why?

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>>383894623
>he can't spend ~15 reviewing evidence that counters his argument
What else are you gonna do with that time?
Shitpost some more? You're going places, kid.

>>383895465
45 is a bit overlevelled desu

>>383895645
Because anything past that and everyone can have every tool they wish to use, and a bunch of free extra health. The point is to limit the tools your character is able to use, so there is some variety.

>>383895634
literally relax, bro.

>>383895645

des meta = sl 100

true meta das1 = sl 100 (truly distinct builds, have to sac some stats for others)

shifted meta to acc for babbies = sl 120 (can mostly get away with soft capping every relevant stat)

das2 has no meta = do what you want, retards cap themselves at sl 150 for fun sometimes I guess, builds ceased to exist

bb = BL 100

DaS3 = idk I haven't pvped in das3

>>383886621
it was my first souls game. I literally cant go back and finish the slowfest of the older ones.

its literally people just being tired of the formula. Yeah, they will play it, but the experience of getting good is lost. I went back to das after 3 and it was just too easy/the same old shit.

>>383887993
>Worst individual level design in the entire series
but that's dark souls 2

/v/ mostly shits on it, and rightfully so

DS2, while full of flaws, at least has virtues as well

>>383896426
>post counter doesn't go up

classic

>>383896204
I think a lot of it simply has to do with the "I liked Dark Souls BEFORE it was cool!" mentality you see everywhere else.

>>383885138
>safe and sterile
Explain what you mean by this

>>383896907
didnt really do anything new or interesting.

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PVE:
DeS > BB > DaS1 > DaS3 > DaS2

(competitive) PVP, Duels:
DaS2 > DaS1 > DaS3 > BB > DeS

(casual) PVP, Invasions:
DaS1 > DaS2 > BB > DaS3 > DeS

come at me, faggots

>>383897317
>pve
>DaS3 > DaS2
No

>>383896891
You're beginning to prove my hunch that DaS2fags are Johnny-come-latelys to the series desperate to jump on the bandwagon while the series was at it's peak popularity and have some form of nostaligic attachment to it over the other entries in the series because you probably were (and still are) underage when you first played it a whooping 3 years ago

>>383897438
they're both shit compared to first 3

>>383897012
>>383897012
>or interesting.
but that's dark souls 2. The Weapon Arts was at least decent

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>>383897439
Started with DS1 when it came out, then 2, then DeS, then BB, then 3. I fucking hate 3 and I like 2.

>>383897492
>The Weapon Arts was at least decent
and now look what meta looks like and reconsider

>>383897439
Started with des and never miss my chance of shitting on the das3
Uninspired and soulles garbage

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>>383897317
>(casual) PVP, Invasions:
>DaS1 > DaS2 > BB > DaS3 > DeS

>>383897439
Really what you're saying is the same conclusion I've started to come to. It makes sense, the extreme defensiveness and constant attempts at justifying something bad in DS2 by saying "Well X did it WORSE!" as a means of deflection and the non stop attempts at saying some of the worst design elements of 2 are its strengths (like multi boss fights everywhere, challenge coming from enemies zerging and even praising the lighting of all things).

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>always play a caster
>read these threads

Literally who the fuck cares you autistic faggots. God I'm tired of this whole
"DaS2 is shit!
No, DaS 3 is shit!".
Play whatever, discuss what you want to, but constantly shitting on a game does nothing.

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>>383897523
>Started with DS2 when it came out, then 1, then BB, then 3. I fucking hate 2 and I like 3.

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>>383897614
wow, meme picture!
i have those too!

>>383897317
Having not played PS exclusive shit:
PVE: DS1 > DS2 > DS3
PVP: DS2 > DS1 = DS3 (although Souls PvP is garbage in general, the interesting thing about the PvP is how it happens)
story: DS1 >>> DS2 >>>>>>>>> DS3

3's biggest flaw was going full retard and discarding the numerous imrpovements in gameplay aspects that 2 brought to the table like more position-oriented combat.

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>>383897828
This post is the best post in this entire thread.

>>383897618
>and constant attempts at justifying something bad in DS2 by saying "Well X did it WORSE!"
>>383885909
>>383886214
>>383886401
>>383886949
>>383887280
>>383887427
>>383888075
>>383888414
>>383888425
>>383888754
>>383889548
>>383890262
>>383891035
>>383891127
>>383891229
>>383891329
>>383891671
>>383891565
>>383892393
>>383892701
>>383893051
>>383893806
>>383895370
>>383896352
Really makes you think
It's like das3 fags live in some alternative universe or something

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>>383897828
I agree.
Also they discarded magic for no reason.
Literally no one is using anything magic related in Ds3. Faith and Hexes is straight up garbage and Sorceries lies somewhere on the bottom, near niche builds like frostbite stacking.

Ds2 magic was fucking great. Remember Climax meme? WotG? Or this havelclowns with Santiers Spear, gorillion buffs and chasers? Fucking toxic and corrosive clouds?
Good times.

>>383898243
No one cares how good magic was because das2 was garbage, das2 kid

>dark souls is okay mechanically
>dark souls 2 tries to refine it, and while a step in the right direction it lacks some polish
>dark souls 3 does a complete 360 and goes full retard
it's objectively the worst in the series

>>383898243
>faith
>straight up garbage
he doesn't know...

3 is the most balanced in the series for pvp.

>>383898243

Lightning arrow is the most useful miracle in the series.

Also hexes is a garbage term and I wish it'll go away. It was always abyssal/dark sorceries. There's also Velka and Gravelord miracles with a tint of dark but these would be called hexes in 2 for some reason.

Hex my dong.

>dark souls 2 tries to refine it, and while a step in the right direction it lacks some polish

WHAT

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>>383898306
>No one cares

>this thread exists
>people care
>you care

>383898226
Here's your reply, but I'll be keeping the (You).

Friendly reminder that 99% of all ds3 talk is done on /dsg/. Every good ds player left /v/ already, and all thats left is nostalgia babies and ds2 kids. Thank you for your time, and if you want none shitposting talk about ds3 you know where to find us.

>>383893298
fucking retard

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>>383898392
>3 is the most balanced in the series for pvp.

>need at least 60 INT to do ANY sort of magic damage
>Faith is a fucking joke with one-two good miracles
>nobody even uses dark magic
>pyros are overpowered as fuck
>Refined infusion nerfed into useless
>Blessed and Simple infusion useless
>Poison and Bleed infusion useless
>game automatically puts you in a world where the host has summons
>that plus the host can swap covenants willy nilly and get at least two blues to help as well
>plus Seed
>Pay to Win DLC with exclusive +3 rings
>DLC weapons that will combo you from full HP to death because poise doesn't exit

>>3 is the most balanced in the series for pvp.

>>383898392
>3 is the most balanced in the series for faggy dex builds
2 has the most balanced pvp my man

>>383898392
>3 is the most balanced in the series for pvp.
Biggest joke I've heard in a while.

Here's something for you:
Turtling Meta
Washing Pole

R A P I E R
A_____S
P_____T
I_____ O
E_____C
R

Autism list again

>>383898392
I agree.

>>383888754

DS2 pvp is dead

>>383891229
somebody had to say it
this is the truth
none of that """replayability" and """build variety""" matters when controls feel like dogshit the game looks unfinished as fuck with empty square boxes and hallways everywhere and the bosses are piss easy

>>383888703
His name is Saulden

>>383895352
The Kiln Entrance is a tunnel going downwards, and you go through some weird spirit gate anyways.

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>>383898635

- Pure INT spellcasting builds are bad anyway. Go dark 37/37 40/40 and use Crystal Chime.
- Damn like every other spell class
- What is Black Flame?
- Dark infusion is overpowered as fuck. 30/30, 37/37, 40/40. The 30/30 with LKS and BKS is better without spells.
- So? Dexterity's Sharp is too good, which is a flaw. Refined being bad has nothing to do with it.
- Blessed is useful.
- Only DaS2 poison climax was good.
- They should change this but it's fine now that Heavy got buffed. Less stat investment for good damage, 27str builds are priceless.
- Seed is now thankfully useless
- Only pay to win is Lightning Arrow. Rings can be traded as with the other equipment. Same shit happened in 2 mate.
- None of the DLC weapons are good except Split Leaf and Dragon Head shield. Also: http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/poise

DaS1 has best PVP. DaS2 has worse PVP. It's a truly Reddit opinion that DaS2 has anything other the other four games in the series. >>383898814

Also PVP is shit in Souls unless you invade. Play Guilty Gear or Street Fighter my dudes.

>>383898843

Oh boy, just like my DaS2 Thief Dagger + Thrusting Sword (i.e. ice rapier/estoc) meta!

>>383895993
BB meta is actually 98, to dodge 120's.

>>383898843
Rapier + estoc + longsword + waiting was the meta in Dark Souls 2.

>>383898843
dont forget the

INFINITE
ROLLS

>>383898392
When it comes to PvP
DeS is meme tier
DS1 Is the most balanced
DS2 is the most fleshed out
DS3 is fucking garbage
And Bloodborne's PvP was DOA

>>383899097
>DaS1 has best PVP.
>walk with full havel through all strikes and backstab
Your opinion belongs to >>>/trash/

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>>383885909

In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

>>383899097
>>383899173
>DaS2 Thief Dagger + Thrusting Sword (i.e. ice rapier/estoc) meta
>Rapier + estoc + longsword + waiting was the meta in Dark Souls 2.

t. never had red aura

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>>383899237

DaS1 meta is being healthy boy with the shitty MoM mask.

DaS3 is still better than DaS2 for both PvE and PvP and will stand the test of time.

>>383899308
Fuck off, das2 baby
See >>383898993

>>383886496
I never understood this linear complaint. Ds1 or 2 isn't even as open world as others make it out to be

>>383899353

Oh man a red aura that's almost as good as getting a fucking gold in the Dark Souls 3 arena.

Dude that shit is so easy. DaS2 meta was literally thief's dagger + quick weapon or phantom block tech with FUGS. It was shit, it was boring, it was dumb.

>>383899370
>and will stand the test of time.
It's already falled bellow borne numbers on the ps4 while das 2 is pretty alive

>>383899457

DaS2 is deader than DaS1 and DaS3. For PS4 you may include PS3 DaS1 numbers.

>>383895465
The abyss watcher music is orgasmic

>>383898635
There are more balanced builds in 3. 70+ dex. 70+ str. Quality. Faith/dex. Faith/str. Sorc/dex kiter. I could go on into the nuiances. More weapons are viable. Most armor is viable thanks to fashionsouls. Etcetc

Balanced arenas equivalent to final destination in smash.

>>383885138
Icy has only reviewed this and DeS, and since both are so neglected on here yet at the same time not coherently labelled bad as DaS2 is, I can only assume they are the best 2 of the series.

>>383899510
>DaS2 is deader than DaS1
It's not
Online activity is
Borne>das3(for now)>das2ps4>=dasps3>des
Unlike you I know what I'm talking about

>>383898843
Easily beaten by lightning arrows. Next argument.

>>383899353
ez as shit

DasI = BB > DeS > DaSII > DaSIII
You know I'm right.

>>383898843
fucking no one uses rapier in das3 lmfao

>>383891229
this

>>383899570

I'm not a retard who thinks DaS2 is better than DaS1 or 3 but the arenas in 3 are bad dude. Best places to fight are like, the elevator after Farron Wolf.

Splitleaf greatsword and new offhand tech is cooler btw. Left handed greatlance, red hilted halberd and estoc can allow a lot of the weapons combo from the right hand if the left hand hit.

>>383899651

Ok.

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>>383895645
The meta in DS3 pvp is fucking weird regardless.
If you want to have a good time, beat the game under level 60 and keep your weapons at +6 and your boss weapons at +3.

>>383894087
having a full Havel monster staggered by a small dagger is rediculous.

>>383899802
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/poise

Works like a fighting game now. For certain attacks and can be enhanced by better armour.

Join /dsg/

https://discord.gg/C3AX2Hk

>>383899872
yeah because throwing a throwing knife at a fully armored beast shouldn't stagger it when it's mid animation with certain heavy weapons but it should normally stagger him if he's, say, standing still.

>>383900017

Use an attack listed there with poise then and you can poise through it.

Damn...

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>>383899872
>works like a fighting game so it's fine
>is not a fighting game to begin with

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>>383887127
That's how I felt about DaS2. Probably because the gameplay and level design were shit. I played through DaS2, I think, 2 times? After that I decided never to touch it again.

I ended up playing through DaS3 like 12 times, but that's probably because I like good gameplay in my video games and the whole "there is no varied builds" is just a bunch of bullshit. I'm convinced anyone who couldn't get into DaS3 just sucks at video games because it wasn't the "SLOW AND METHODICAL" nonsense fags like to spout every once in a while regarding the Souls series.

>>383900160
>action game mechanics in an rpg

wtf i retroactively hate From Software now where's my dice rolls

>>383900264
I know right?

>>383885138
/v/irgins unironically think Artorias is the best boss fight in the series. Dark Souls 3 is "fight Artorias clones for 50 hours: the game".

>>383900227
>anime
>shit opinion
It's like poetry. You see, it rhymes.

>>383900227
> ended up playing through DaS3 like 12 times, but that's probably because I like good gameplay in my video games
what? DaS3 gameplay is terrible
> because it wasn't the "SLOW AND METHODICAL" nonsense fags like to spout every once in a while regarding the Souls series.
Despite everyone getting into bloodborne
Your post is literally full of contradictions

>>383900417

He's not wrong, people love the clunky and floating through water movement of DaS2 because they're mentally ill.

>>383900303
>>383900264
Dice rolls have nothing to do with role-playing, the first table-top games only used the stats systems of wargaming because they had no other way to simulate the battles.

When your whole game is an immersive simulation to begin with then you SHOULD be simulating the action instead of abstracting it into statistics, if you have the resources for it. Action game mechanics are what From should aim for, not JRPG non-game systems which are aimed at the limp-wristed and small-brained, who have neither the physical reaction-times for action, nor the intellectual capacities for actual strategy-gaming.

>>383900632

So you're saying games can lend from other games?

Thank you for supporting my quiet argument of the absurdity that lending hyper armour from FG isn't a bad thing.

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>>383900417
>Despite everyone getting into bloodborne
Yeah but this thing called Demon's Souls exists, which was clearly faster and more smooth in the gameplay department compared to DaS1 and 2.

Yes, Bloodborne is good, but that's not what I'm trying to point out here.

>>383900747
>my quiet argument of the absurdity that lending hyper armour from FG isn't a bad thing.
Can you re-write this to be clearer?

Also I wasn't really commenting on what you were saying, just using it as a platform for a more general observation.

>>383900747
uhh
>Thank you for supporting my quiet argument of the absurdity that lending hyper armour from FG isn't a bad thing.

>Thank you for supporting my quiet argument of how absurd the other guy reacted towards hyper armour from FGs being in DaS3 purely because they're two different genres

>>383900915

Already got you. I realised how dumb it sounded after posting it.

>>383900798
>Yeah but this thing called Demon's Souls exists, which was clearly faster and more smooth in the gameplay department compared to DaS1 and 2.
If it didn't run at 20fps, maybe.

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Tbqh i now replaying DaS and its fucking shit.
I can make a fucking huge list of complains, if needed. What DaS actually needs is weapon system from DaS3, huge map, variety and power stance from DaS2, and bosses and map structure from DaS. All alone DaS is a 6/10 game with shitton of bullshit

>>383901052
>social justice picture

Also power stance was shit.

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>>383900227
I like all the build variety there is in DS3 this time around.
If you're a min-maxing faggot you can stay around level 40 and still have a fuck ton of options in terms of weapons, pyromancy, magic and even miracles.

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>>383901052
>A past game needs features from games that came after it

>>383901115
Sure it was if you hate fun.

>>383900798
>Yes, Bloodborne is good, but that's not what I'm trying to point out here.
> I'm convinced anyone who couldn't get into DaS3 just sucks at video games because it wasn't the "SLOW AND METHODICAL" nonsense fags like to spout every once in a while regarding the Souls series.
No, you just retarded das3 baby
Everyone except das3 babbies shit on the das 3 gameplay
It was just plainly bad and poorly made
And
>Yeah but this thing called Demon's Souls exists, which was clearly faster and more smooth in the gameplay department compared to DaS1 and 2.
lol, just lol
You could block almost everything in that game, it was literally
> "SLOW AND METHODICAL"
As it gets

>>383901159
I meant future das games.

>>383886990
>>383885170
but isn't poise just for idiots who can't dodge?

ds3 is fun but not as good as any game but ds2 which sucks hope that helps

>>383901184

Fun doesn't matter if it was bad. It was better to not powerstance a lot of the time and just using moveset of the left hand weapon normally.

>>383901247

Look you can argue with that guy as much as you want but SLOW AND METHODICAL is a literal argument done by Dark Souls 2 retards because they love to get fucked in the butt by how slow it is to do anything other than running in that game.

are the people who hate ds3 the same people who put on full havels for 4kings and call it good game design?

>>383900965
Well, you're welcome.

I don't think his argument was bad in principle, though. If DaS3 had adopted elements from an inferior genre of gaming, that would detract from its quality. Ironically, however, the guy you were arguing with was actually annoyed that DaS3 was taking elements from a SUPERIOR genre, one that actually tries to simulate action at a more literal level than "RPGs" do. So if anything it was the opposite of the logical critique.

tl;dr taking ideas from another genre will be either a bad or a good thing for that game. everything is a plus or a minus, even in the famous apples vs oranges case, one will be superior in terms of cuisine, nutrition, economy, etc.

>>383901304
Poise gave heavy armours a use in earlier games. In das3, there's literally no reason to wear heavy armour at all unless you want to gimp yourself.

>>383895465
>They were too lazy to have 2 Abyss Watchers duking it out before the cutscene starts
>There's just clanging coming out of a completely empty room because DaS3 is unpolished

>>383899431
From firelink (if you've got the master key) you can get to any of the following bosses first: Pinwheel, Sif, Taurus, Capra, Gargoyles, moonlight butterfly, or queelag. Can't really see how the non-linearity is overstated for DaS

>>383901437

The people who like DaS3 learnt how to dodge every 4 kings attack. :)

They like to roll which is the best way to play the series hence Bloodborne

>>383901479

39 vig
40 end
enough vit for high as fuck poise
26 str (two handed 39 which is breakpoint for two handed gs)
40dex
Greatsword that's infusable.

There's your excuse for healthy armour and poise in DaS3. It's good.

I enjoyed DS3, DS1 and did not enjoy DS2 nearly as much.

If someone saying that makes you angry, you need to reevaluate your life.

>>383901479
well i just wear the armor that looks the best
and i fucking dodge attacks

>>383901351
What is curved swords and fists?

>>383901984

Nowhere as good as double thrusting sword or funny as double smelter, mate.

>>383901351
>SLOW AND METHODICAL is a literal argument done by Dark Souls 2 retards because they love to get fucked in the butt by how slow it is to do anything other than running in that game.
>ctrl+f "SLOW AND METHODICAL"
>first post >>383900227
You remind me that retard >>383897618
Again, notice how no one has problems with bloodborne combat, but most of people consider das3 gameplay trash?
Maybe, just maybe das3 gameplay is really trash thanks to the things like "heavy armor doesn't give penality to the stamina regena" "you couldn't run out of rolls, despite it being possible in the bloodborne, aka more faster and punishing game" or "estus is faster than fucking bloodvials, it's so fast you can drink it between boss swings and shit is literally unpunisheble in pvp if you have even a little brain power to know when to drink"?
Yes, you can keep saying "lol it's too fast for you bloodbo... I meant das2kids11111", but it wouldn't change the fact that das3 gameplay is garbage without any redeming qualities

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>>383902073
>he needs TWO smelter swords
Pathetic

>>383901351
>fun doesn't matter
:(

>>383902151
https://vgy.me/vbcOC5.jpg

>>383902193
It's fun--

>>383902213
--FUCK

But ya only power stanced rapiers are truly good and I think that's for PvE.

I miss vanq seal invasions before it got nerfed, Caesti suck ass.

>say you hate Dark Souls 2
>assumes you like Dark Souls 3

What did DaS2 fags mean by this?

>>383902346
Powerstanced like everything. Half of that was viable in pvp.

>>383902346
>https://vgy.me/vbcOC5.jpg
>"bloodborne" methodical - 50k results
????
>>383902505
Pretty sure it's other way around
Just look at this thread

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>>383902675

You fell into a trap.

Have a good read at the people complaining about Bloodborne not being slow or methodical.

>>383902774 me

To add:

p.s. yes I'm aware of the irony that a Dark Souls 3 thing is there too but 'slow and methodical gameplay is better' is the worst meme and only came to be when BB happened because das2 babies were shitting themselves at not being able to play it.

>>383902774
>>383902906
>Have a good read at the people complaining about Bloodborne not being slow or methodical.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls2/comments/34vs66/slow_and_methodical_not_an_option_in_this_game/
Funny just by how adding word "slow" for the das2 search we can get interesting results
And I warn you in advance that people complained about das not being slow and methodical enough compared to des

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>>383903307

Damn you got strong autism. The same results are there for methodical. Mate.

Also a fun one I found.

>>383901641
>>>383901437 (You)
these fucking nerds. obviously they never did a high poise pickaxe/warpick with leo ring setup.

>>383885138
It's a reactive thing. People hated DaS2 for being different, and DaS3 brought Miyazaki back. He did a fanservicey piece of shit, but it'd be awkward to admit it.

if your main reason for hating ds3 is poise, bonfire placements, or anything pvp-related you should probably see a psychologist

>>383904154
My reason for hating Dark Souls 3, I use the term hate loosely, is that it feels like soul less obligation full of "HEYYYYYYYYYYY GUYZ REMEMBER DARK SOULS 1!!!111" shit thrown in with nothing unique or intriguing of its own. Give Dark Souls 2 all the shit you want but at least that felt like its own game that wasn't trying to ride of the nostalgia of Dark Souls 1. And the Ringed City was mediocre, Gael being a good boss doesn't redeem it one bit.

>>383904327
fan service bullshit is acceptable! have a good day anon

>>383885138
It's trash, but it was never going to be good.

People say that these games are "uncompromising" but that's a load of shit.

Of course they are. They just didn't compromise with the casuals. Instead they compromised with the cultist followers and turned every fight into the same style of fight making the whole game a fucking snooze fest instead of like Demon's Souls and arguably DaS1 which had very different and interesting fights. And they actually dared to have *GASP* not hard bosses. OH NOES, THE HORROR. But at least they fucking meant something and were interesting.

It's funny because in DaS3 a lot of the characters have samey lore or nonsensical lore because they should be weaker given who they are and what happened to them, but they instead make everything like a final boss with two forms because that's what pleases the "souls fans" if you can even call them that. The gluttons for samey combat that is just dodge-swing builds against big warriors/monsters with lots of wailing attacks that are open for a short period after for a quick swing. It's okay to have this once or twice but the whole game??? Nah fuck that shit.

Somebody tell me why it's any different between the CoD kiddies who just want every game to be a shooter and the DaS kiddies who want every game (including souls, which didn't start this way) to just be Devil May Cry builds and wailing bosses? They both just want every game to be the fucking same... and yet decry most games as not being "innovative" as their Souls games. Fuck these type of people. They are the same kind of people wrapped up in different ideals.

I want the old Souls community back. Fuck this shit.

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I enjoyed all souls games except bloodborne because I don't have a ps4

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>>383885198
Are you implying that the quality of a Souls game is determined by difficulty, because that mindset is exactly why Dark Souls went to shit

>>383904327
Don't listen to this faggot >>383904561
, I'm fully behind your opinion. Have a good day for real, anon.

>>383905526
No, series gone to shit because das1 babbies wanted every boss to be "cool fast knight with giant weapon just like our favorite wolf loser"
Couldn't be even compared to the bloodborne where no humanoid fight was alike and all beast bosses felt special enough
Even fucking da2 had bosses for everyone, giant spiders, dragons, knight, giants etc

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>>383885138

This game gave me mai waifu

>>383885138
If having a tight sexy great gameplay feel is "cinematic experience", we need more of them in video games.

Dark Souls 3 plays the best among the Dark Souls games and that's what's most important.

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>>383906348
Top tier bossfu

>>383891229
This. It's unfortunate, really, I wish I would enjoy DaS 2 more, because mechanics and variety-wise it's nice, but it's just so clunky, the level design is so terrible filled with empty rooms or randomly placed wooden crates that serve no purpose, and there are pretty much just one or two decent bosses in the base game. Not to mention the enemy placement.

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>>383906769
>filled with empty rooms or randomly placed wooden crates that serve no purpose
mfw i'm replaying DaS RIGHT NOW and all the dumb shit /v/ says is present in all the games

>b-but my empty vases

>>383897317
DeS always had the best invasions. Color wars are not causal invasions.