Mania thread. Official Studiopolis act 1 music. https://w

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Just to be clear, people need to realise that if you see a gimmick/badnik from ANOTHER level in a already shown level, then that level will not appear.

Have all these people screaming about zones they want but in the footage we have, there are clear signs they won't be because the gimmick is in the level used.

Somebody needs to recreate this but cross out some things like icecap/launchbase/carn night (forbidden 3) because we 100% won't be getting those, same with Marble Garden and angel island

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Knuckles > Tails > Sonic

You cannot dispute this

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>>383847316
>Ice Cap: music copyright
>Launch Base: music copyrigh
Just use the PC music. Also,
>Forgetting the competition levels

>>383848156
P...C.... Music..?

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>>383847316
I know they said that they'll release new music "soon" but Christ couldn't they start with something we didn't have an official clean upload before like Green Hill act 2 or even better THE FUCKING MINI BOSS THEME?

>>383848246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48wugEUoPpo
The PC version of Sonic 3 had different songs in various spots.

>>383848409
holy fuck Taxman is not stupid enough to do this

just scrap the level, butchering the music like this just screams crap deals and makes it so unauthentic

>>383848365
I was really hoping Sega would put up a different track besides Studiopolis Act 1, especially considering that Tee Lopes and Data Discs have already uploaded it to their accounts. Maybe we'll get a new track during SDCC?

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>>383848549
There's a lot of people who grew up with the PC version and prefer these songs over the Genesis versions, ya know.

They're pretty decent in their own right. I'd love to see Tee remix them.

>>383848365
>train in the background
>windmill

if you had shown me this exact webm as a child my collective mind would of blown out the side of my head and splattered the walls

wait, so just to confirm

We haven't heard act 2 Studioplis yet..?

>>383848948
Not yet, but it was seen in the reveal trailer.

>>383848715
we're gonna get something at SDCC

that hopefully is juicy enough to tide us all over until release

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>>383848409
>that Knuckles theme at the beginning

is the mini boss theme we've heartd going to be used for all mini bosses?

know what I've just realised

the special stage music, holy fuck, you know whatever that is lopes is going to make that insane

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>No insta-shield
literally why

>>383848769
>There's a lot of people who grew up with the PC version and prefer these songs over the Genesis versions
I grew up with the PC version and I hate those replacements. If anything if they want to use the stages just get tee lopes to make brand new themes for them. That'd be fine.

>>383847496
Hydrocities loop to break the earth is in Green hill soooo ? Is that a zone gimmick or a sonic 3 gimmick ?

>>383850717
That is a little bit specific, wouldn't say that is hydrocity because its just a general loop into breaking the earth, I realise it happend -first- in hyodro but lets say if green hill had one of those swirly pipe lines in green hill, THEN you could scratch hydro out

>>383850114
because it was replaced with something infinitely better

spin dash, once you play it, you'll understand why

>>383850879
>I realise it happend -first- in hyodro
I'm 90% sure it started in Hill Top Zone

>>383851021
Not only that I don't even remember that in Hydrocity.

>>383847316
hot damn this music is good. hyped

>>383851208
Loop before miniboss?

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>>383850717
That was in Hill Top Zone.

>>383851361
That just goes into a tunnel. Nothing breaks there.

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>>383847668
Looks like you switched Knuckles and Tails there.

>>383851408
Spinball lol

>>383851507
post the yawn one

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdCTS4QTNQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWyZmFSep0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UGIIIp9WE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG6z9E6_LA8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7bunHrdLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyXg9kAp4Vc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFaRMmWbKo

Fav Tee track so far?

Mirage Saloon takes it, but I know flying battery act 2's lope remix is going to be jizz worthy

>>383851643
I don't have it, unfortunately.

>>383851858
Mirage Saloon and Chemical Plant Act 2 are my favorites. Can't wait to hear what Tee Lopes is doing with Stardust Speedway.

>>383851858
Studiopolis for sure.

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>yfw Stardust Speedway is in the Past because its about saving Little Planet from the Death Egg Mk II and thus retconning Sonic 4 out the timeline entirely

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>yfw they make a sonic mania 2 and put in Amy and Cream (as they played in the Advanced Series.

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>>383853215
>>383853446

>>383853446
>Cream
lmao

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>>383853446
>Cream
please no

>>383853763
whats wrong with cream? She was fun in Sonic Advance 2

>>383853957
Doesn't really match the classic aesthetic. It'd be better off to make the classic Chaotix playable.

>>383853957
A shitty character meant for lolicon furfags. I'd rather fucker have Vector and Espio.

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Why do people call Icecap/Launch Base/Carnival Night the "forbidden 3"? Is it because of that one shitty PC version of Sonic 3 that used different music? Because that has absolutely nothing to do with MJ's involvement, it was an issue with the fact that that shitty PC port used MIDI instead of just recordings of the genesis music, so they had to change them due to the lack of any proper noise channel. There has literally never been any confirmation of Sonic 3 having copyright issues.
Fuck's sake, I'm pretty sure the emulated version of Sonic 3 you can get on Steam actually uses the original songs.

>>383854071
Ok, yeah. I could see that. Personally I'd have Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, and Blaze and that would be it. As long as they played differently of course (like they should)

I cannot shake the feeling Mania will introduce a completely new character as a suprise for the sequel.

>>383854109
I really hope we get Launch Base just so the debate can be shut up once and for all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbSPUYlkIoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMG3417Tcc0

>>383854109
It actually is copyright issues.
Emulated versions of the game are still the original game, so there is no issue. But any kind of remake can't use the music.
This is why the PC version had different music to begin with. This is why there hasn't been a Taxman remake of Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
This is why none of those levels have ever been seen or heard from again after S3K.
Also, you realize Genesis also uses MIDI, right?

>>383850114

Meh. Who needs it. It's not as dumb as the homing attack, but still.

>>383854404
>This is why none of those levels have ever been seen or heard from again after S3K.
If we want to get technical, Launch Base did appear in the comics recently, and was partially represented in the 3DS version.

Course, the music of that level was obviously there but it's not like those three levels are forbidden from appearing at all. I'd fully welcome Tee making new songs to be their replacement songs or something if copyright is an issue.

Is that one guy who refuses to buy Sonic Mania because it has elements from Sonic CD in it in this thread?

I hope so, I wanna laugh at you again.

>>383854395
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbSPUYlkIoI

How is it possible that a fucking mashup is infinitely better than the original?

>>383854404
>It actually is copyright issues.
>Emulated versions of the game are still the original game, so there is no issue. But any kind of remake can't use the music.
>This is why the PC version had different music to begin with. This is why there hasn't been a Taxman remake of Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
>This is why none of those levels have ever been seen or heard from again after S3K.
Where's your source, anon?
I aint fucking seeing it.
>Also, you realize Genesis also uses MIDI, right?
Do you know what the difference between the Genesis's sound chip and the MIDI shit in your PC is, anon? Because it's a pretty big difference.
The important one being, of course, that they use COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SAMPLES and that the Genesis had A NOISE CHANNEL.

>>383854109
>>383854329
because Christian whitehead confirmed that those 3 are off limits at Sega, but there WILL be a Sonic 3 level.

Coincidentally, those are the 3 that have outright Michael Jackson songs as stage tracks.

And if they did those stages without their iconic music, fans would throw a fit, ESPECIALLY icecap zone.

>>383854604
haha christ that's stupidly good

>>383854705
>because Christian whitehead confirmed that those 3 are off limits at Sega, but there WILL be a Sonic 3 level.
Source?

>>383854647
>widely known information available anywhere on the internet
>where's your source
gee I don't know, maybe fucking google it

>>383854705
>because Christian whitehead confirmed that those 3 are off limits at Sega, but there WILL be a Sonic 3 level.
I don't recall him confirming that.

>>383847496
I have no idea what I'm looking at here

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>>383854813
>where's your source, anon
>just google it lmao :^)

>>383854932
You're looking at a list of every single sonic level.

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I find it impressive for a franchise with a history of pre-release leaks, the only thing that slipped through the cracks was that Cathedral stage.

>>383854967
>i'm too stupid to use the internet please spoonfeed me

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>>383854967
Not him, but it's not like your's is any better.
>Well I for one believe there aren't legal issues with the game
Okay. That's getting us no where. It's more believable that there is than there isn't. Granted that guy saying Whitehead said shit he didn't is wrong on that.

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>>383855106
even that technically wasn't a leak, it was a image quickly shown on a official mania panel slideshow that somebody took a terrible quick screenshot of

>>383855290
personally I just think it's a revamp of Sky Sanctuary Zone, maybe an indoor section
For being a sanctuary it didn't really feel like one to me in & KNUCKLES

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>>383855249
I'm saying there's no legal issues because I've seen literally no proof at all that there are legal issues, even though people constantly make this completely baseless claim. The one, singular song I MIGHT believe issues could arise with is Ice Cap Zone, and that's only because it's literally just Hard Times in the Genesis soundfont with like 0 changes.
Even then, I'm not claiming that are ARE legal issues with ICZ, because guess what? I have never once seen any proof that there are.

>>383855407
Vector?

>>383855249
>not him
you're totally him though

>>383851858
Mirage Saloon Act 2 the Genesis version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z-JhQmoFWQ

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>>383855490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2OWC5Hosv8

I can remember hearing this randomly and just

WHERE THE FUCK... HAVE I HEARD THIS, what is HAPPENING--

>0:28

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

>>383850981
Drop dash looks like shit. Instant momentum was a mistake.

>>383847496
>Just to be clear, people need to realise that if you see a gimmick/badnik from ANOTHER level in a already shown level, then that level will not appear.

Why do people have so much confidence in this?

I could understand if it was most of the stage's cool shit. But just any one thing isn't enough.

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Why not just buy the rights to the songs?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW-GBUJP1NI

Real talk: How will Taxman top this for the final boss?

>>383847496
>but cross out some things like icecap/launchbase/carn night (forbidden 3) because we 100% won't be getting those

They've been rescored and they can be rescored again

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>>383855962
Oh my sweet summer child, as somebody who played Mania at e3

you have no idea what you're talking about, and you will eat those words when this game releases.

Drop Dash turns this game from a 9/10 into a perfect, just wait until you have that control in your hands, it's jizz worthy.

>>383855839
>This autist is back again

>>383856102
When that came on during that episode of Super Mario Bros. Z back in the day with I'LL CRUSH YOU I nutted all over the place
Also who knows, but it's nice it'll be likely inclusive to all three characters as long as you get all dem emorrowds

>>383856102
Won't be very difficult. Doomsday Zone sucked.

>>383856049
They already have them. The anons are being retards.
Though if Sega didn't have the rights, it would cost them far more money than Sega has. Seriously, nigga, the Jackson estate is Jew City.

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>>383856102
Imagine Tee's final boss game music

you just know that shit is going to be OH GOD MY PENIS, MY ACTUAL FUCKING PENIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>383856151
It seems broken. At least with spin dash you need to stop before using it. This just seems like it's available whenever and eliminates the need to actually get good at the game to keep you momentum going.

>>383856406
If they have the rights, then why is SEGA being so autistic about the songs?

>>383856406
Except they don't?

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>looking for a video of doomsday zone at 60fps
>find this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REajhYeGhWM
holy shit how do you fuck up a genesis emulator this badly

>>383847316
>Marble Garden: gimmick in Stardust Speedway
>Carnival Night: gimmick in Chemical Plant
Explain these, I must have missed them.

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>>383854083
>meant for lolicon furfags
Pretty sure she was made to draw in little girls and serve as another beginner character even though Tails already exists. Agreed about Espio and Vector though.

>>383856549
The drop dash is way weaker than a full power spindash, anon.

>>383854404
I got it

Emulate the original game in parallel with mania's client. Use CPU states to control the playback of music from the emulated game. They can't complain. The original music is coming from the original release of the game.

>>383856161
But the fag who posts the off model gay Sonic hasn't posted in this thread yet

>>383856698
Is it? That's definitely a relief. The footage I saw looked like it propelled you pretty damn quickly but as long as it's on the weaker side it might be okay. I just don't want the game to be drop dash spam in lieu of actually getting good at the game.

>>383854083
>lolicon furfags
What, all three of them on the planet?

>>383856549
So being able to stop in a sonic game now and press down and a to spin dash = skill?

The Drop Dash perfectly allows you to just keep moving, it isn't even a quarter as powerfull as a full revved up spindash, it's just to keep you going so it's fluid as fuck. It's so good infact, it ruins other sonic games for me. It's the most OBVIOUS thing ever when you play it, and you leave thinking

why the fuck wasn't that in -all- sonic games

when you play it, you'll understand, ripping on the drop dash is the silliest thing to complain about, really.

>>383855490
The credits is stranger in moscow. But that was made after Sonic 3 and there's no hard info about how MJ allowed his work to be used. Other than that there's sound samples which means jack shit legally, but there's reasonable evidence of jackson or his crew doing those compositions.

It's just a big coincidence that the songs that went unchanged have no evidence of jackson's involvement. And the ones that did got swapped.

>>383847316
Damn it, Tee Lopes posted this one weeks ago on his own YT account.

When are they gonna post the Mirage Saloon Zone theme?

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>>383855930
>Mania gets ice cap zone
>Instead of sweetened genesis music, it's literally hard times
>Sega doesnt give a fuck

>>383857019
I never said spin dash required skill. It's a crutch, one you are penalized (by being forced to stop) for using. Drop dash has no penalty so instead of maintaining momentum with skillful play you can just cheese it. These games are already easy enough, they don't need to be made even easier.

>>383856406
>They already have them. The anons are being retards.

I believe this. How would they get in an arrangement where jackson outright owns the music he composes for the sonic games and sega cant so much as take a piss without permission? Unless it's because he backed out of the deal and he told them to scrap the work and they didn't.

And really, it could just be scrubbing the games of his work because of the controversy. I think sega still maintains publically that jackson was considered but was never actually contracted.

>>383847316
>>383848156
Huh? They can't use the original songs? Why?

>>383857828
They can. Anons are just retarded and think they can't because there was a shitty PC edition of Sonic 3 years ago that swapped out every track that used the noise channel for samples because the shitty PC edition used default PC MIDI files for the music.

Itd be neat if they had a song from viewpoint. Especially Cailou Ricochet

>>383857828
you could just read the thread.

Michael Jackson was involved in Sonic 3's soundtrack. Icecap Zone, Carnival Night, and Launch base are 3 stages that specifically have clear Michael Jackson influence. Which means that if they rerelease 3 that's fine, but if they remake those stages and want to remake those stage tunes, MJ's estate will come down on them like the pack of hungry jews they are for royalties.

>>383857937
>still spouting this midi nonsense

the genesis uses Midi as well retard.

And yet those are the ONLY 3 stages that got their music completely changed

>>383847316
If Mania is succesful, is there any chance of Advance levels appearing in a future installment?

>>383857937
If it wasn't ambiguous I'm sure the autists would've solved it though

>Most of the original music is emulated, with the user able to choose between MIDI and FM formats. Furthermore, some of Sonic 3's music tracks, including those of Carnival Night Zone, Ice Cap Zone, Launch Base Zone, Knuckles' theme, the Competition menu, and the credits music, were replaced with original compositions. One possible explanation for this is that the tracks featured sampled sound effects not supported by the MIDI standard, and some sound cards during this time were not capable of playing these alongside the standard MIDI instruments. Another potential explanation is that the original tracks may have been composed by Michael Jackson, and were removed due to legal reasons that arose since their original release.

There's a lot of music in the game. The only candidates for legal trouble were carnival night, ice cap, launch base, and the ending credits right? And they all got axed. Do all of them use the noise channel? I assume so or this wouldn't be a mystery.

Beyond that the only way to guess if see if any songs used the noise channel but stayed anyway, showing it wasn't a problem. I've never heard anyone mention one.

Just how much of the composition was on the noise channel anyway? Seems like a song that's missing some sounds is still better than the shit they replaced it with.

>>383858618
bro plug in your midi keyboard and play some tunes then my guy

>>383858618
>And yet those are the ONLY 3 stages that got their music completely changed

Well there's knuckles theme and the competition menu, which I've never heard of having proven jackson influence or belonging to someone else

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>>383858618
>the genesis uses Midi as well retard.
You've got to be a real special kind of fucking stupid if you think default PC MIDI is the same as the genesis's soundchip, you absolute fucking MORON.

>>383857937
I don't think you understand how copyrights and shit work.

Michael jackson was uncredited for the Sonic work, but the fact is several tracks match corresponding songs of his. Which makes them Michael jackson songs. MJ and Sega had some sort of arrangement when they were made, and so general untouched versions of Sonic 3 for ports and shit, are fine as per the original agreement.

But once you start making NEW versions of sonic 3 content, using those Michael Jackson songs, you need a new contract, or pay some sort of royalties for "using his music"

and since his estate since his death is fully of money grubbers, they wouldn't hesitate to take Sega to court for royalties, and they would probably win because it is literally MJ music in Sonic 3, and you don't have MJ himself around to handwave it or get involved himself

>>383858623
Doubt it

Mania is a celebration of classic sonic

The GBA games aren't hated but they're devisive compared to the classic games which are the only ones everyone agrees are GOAT and before sonic became shit

Also no one wants to see the fan team wasted on rehashing shit forever. The new levels look like the better part of mania and anything less than a totally new game would be a waste

>>383858638
>Do all of them use the noise channel?
Yes. Launch Base Zone also didn't really have any connection to MJ at all. The changed songs were the Launch Base songs, Carnival Night songs, Ice Cap songs, Competition Menu, and Credits.
Also, for the retard who thinks the Genesis used MIDI like the PC version did, have a FULL PLAYLIST of all the PC version's music, you dumb faggot, and see your mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl9q5Ajn1_M&list=PL91EF12D8C64F3645

>>383853957
Gemerl needs to be playable over her

>>383859216
Genesis literally uses a midi chip.

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https://soundcloud.com/leila-wilson-woofle/alternate-launch-base-zone-act-1?in=leila-wilson-woofle/sets/sonic-3-alternate

Just buy the songs from this chick.

>>383859216
>Yes. Launch Base Zone also didn't really have any connection to MJ at all.

Oh, why is it named dropped as the forbidden 3 then?

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>>383858759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDBK4OJ_GvM

Knuckles theme is Blood on the dance floor's percussion

>>383856549

Tails and Knuckles are still there if you don't want to play with it.

>>383859373
see
>>383859406
launch base also matches a MJ song

>>383859309
The genesis uses samples made to emulate an FM synthesizer, you moron. Look at the playlist I linked and tell me that sounds the same as the Genesis, dipshit.
>>383859373
Because it's one of the songs that was changed in the PC version because it had heavy use of the Noise Channel, so retards assume that it's because of copyright even though there's literally 0 connection.

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http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicMania/

god tier.

>>383859309
Anon not even my argument but this is bogus

I went to the wikipedia page for both sound chips used in the mega drive, Ctrl+F midi. Fucking nothing.

>>383859575
>even though there's literally 0 connection.
you are literally tone deaf if you can't hear the similarities between MJ music and Sonic 3's music.

Hell, 3's credits was actually used later by MJ for Stranger in Moscow

>>383859309
no it fucking doesn't, it uses a 6 channel FM chip and a 4 channel PSG chip

>>383859741
Okay, please show me which MJ songs match up with the competition menu theme and launch base, anon.
And remember, a vaugely similar beat is not enough to match.

>>383859575
Do you even know how MIDIs work? Midis are just a set of instructions for a synthesizer to play back. It's not a recording like a WAV or MP3. Samples from a variety of instruments are part of the synth software, not the actual midi file. This is the reason why a MIDI will sound completely different on a per computer basis.
Which, guess what? Is exactly what you just described.

>>383859620
You are this fucking stupid.

>>383859406
I don't know. Some of those are really old. Ice cap wasn't MJ related at all and was a totally different group

I guess the knuckles theme does sound like the same percussion though. But so could a lot of stuff. It's not a very uniquely identifiable sound. But also not a lot of reason to second guess it because we know jackson worked on sonic 3.

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>>383859587
The design of this site will never get old to me, it's just so sexy looking.

>>383859830
see
>>383859406

1:15 is launch base.

2:35 is Competition theme

they are vague, but when it comes to legal bullshit, Sega doesnt want to take chances.

>a vaugely similar beat is not enough to match.
It is when there's a vague confirmed involvement.

this isn't about how similar it is, it's that Sega doesnt want to get sued for royalties by his estate over the vaguest possibility

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>>383847496
>icecap/launchbase/carn night (forbidden 3)
Can we stop this "copyright prevents these levels from existing" meme?

No, MJ doesn't own the rights to the music, the reason they probably changed the music in the PC version was to avoid the entire controversy of MJ diddling kids. Brad Buxter probably holds the rights to IC, but he most likely doesn't give a single shit about Carnival and Launch Base

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>>383859980
>anon missing the point THIS hard
Anon, the MIDI in your computer is not the same shit as the shit in the Genesis, you absolute unfathomable retard.

>>383859980
Doesnt the genesis use a different format for stuff like that, like how nintendo used Nintendo Sound Files?

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I can't wait until we start getting Sonic Mania clones.

>>383860135
tb.h after what happened with archie I'm almost positive SEGA knows their lawyers are shit and never want's to rely on them for anything.

>>383859980
>Do you even know how MIDIs work? Midis are just a set of instructions for a synthesizer to play back. It's not a recording like a WAV or MP3.
not that guy you're arguing with, but I genuinely didn't know this.

I learned something new today.

>>383860135
Anon, there's literally no connection there at all. Do you even know fuck all about music?

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>>383847316
>tfw everyone hypes up Mystic Cave and Hydrocity
>nobody hypes up Starlight Zone or Lava Reef

>>383860240
Why was Spark so fucking inconsistent with its level tropes?

>>383860264
not him but holy fuck you need to browse the internet more dude

>>383860256
to be fair that wasn't Sega's fault, that was all Archie. They didn't have Penders original contract, and thus they could not enforce it.

That isn't Sega's fault. Sega expects Archie to take care of that shit

>>383860240
If we start getting games with genuine effort and love again I won't even care if they're rip offs and clones.
Please gib physics in vidya again. I don't even need 1 for 1 sonic genesis physics, but when a character has weight and momentum it just feels so much better to play.

>>383859980
>Midis are just a set of instructions for a synthesizer to play back.

No they're also a standard.

>You are this fucking stupid.

That the genesis didn't use

By this standard any synthesizer chip is a MIDI chip.

>>383860256
That was entirely on Archie, though. Sega wasn't at fault there.

>>383860405
Archie is absolute cancer, I have no idea how they've managed to stay afloat for so long.

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>>383860418
>Freedom Planet literally uses a free-to-use Sonic engine
>After the ruins level the levels become less momentum based because that's when the game began its Kickstarter and changed the direction of the gameplay

>>383860405
>>383860479
I'm just saying they got burned. Even if it wasn't their fault I can't blame them for wanting to stay the hell away from the legal battlefield.

>>383860154
that controversy is entirely in the past and isnt even controversy anymore. by now, most people are vaguely aware that he never did anything, since the internet provides a convenient way to learn that pretty much all the people who made allegations had histories of this kind of extortion.

not to mention MJ has been dead now for close to a decade. His past scandals have no bearing on a musical connection nobody really knows about and was always vague at best

>>383860364
Why? I simply never stopped to think about HOW midis worked, outside of supposedly being some kind of musical format.

I didn't know that they were basically just instructions to tell the system how to play the music.

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>>383860304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKh-5msybk

Tee you've made the fucking track, don't let us down. Put it in.

>>383860639
>most people are vaguely aware that he never did anything

Nah I'd say most people think he did something inappropriate, if only because of how weird he was.

But everyone still likes his music and appreciates him as an artist. No one is scrubbing their hands of jackson's music.

But that's not the theory. The theory is the jackson estate is legally bulldogging anything and everything they can.

>>383860919
>Jackson includes a line about Jews fucking him over in Black or White
>Jews now control his estate
Really activates the almonds.

>>383860881
Way, way, way too instrumental for a retro game

>>383860881
He'd probably remake it completely again if Starlight was in the game instead of using this version.

>>383861171
Seems like stardust speedway his this aesthetic covered anyway

>>383859380
awh no more Knux has a dick while on a ledge

>>383858759
Not that it would be in Mania but The credits is LITERALLY stranger in moscow lol

>>383850717
Hydrocity's gimmick was the dash pads with the cartoon mechanical hand coming out. No other zone has that in them.

>>383847316
>>Carnival Night: music copyright
>>Ice Cap: music copyright
>>Launch Base: music copyright
Stop that.

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As someone who preordered this ages ago, and as such makes no difference in whether I get Mania or not, there's only one thing that's bugged me about this game thus far:
Some of the sprite loops look as though they weren't animated by hand, and instead scaled down flash animations complete with weird colour interpolating between frames that look as though were done by automated algorithm. It's rather jarring when going from this to animations that look as though were done by hand by inserting new frames between the old ones.

>>383862594
>
I always saw the grabby pole water passages and the blue tubes gimmicks too actually

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>>383862581
Okay, and why do you think this? Is it because you watched that one video that layers them over eachother instead of playing them back to back?
Because they really aren't that fucking similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Y3PKkkePk
https://youtu.be/pEEMi2j6lYE?t=20s
It's a really generic chord progression, anyways.

>>383862634
That's just them getting a little too detailed with the anti-aliasing.

>>383862634
Believe me, anon, as someone who's been getting really into pixel art lately, that interpolation is done by hand. Owlboy while a really shitty game despite the gorgeous animation makes use of that technique a lot.
http://2dwillneverdie.com/tutorial/give-your-sprites-depth-with-sub-pixel-animation/

>>383856161
And about time too.

>>383855839
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTfvmCu2nX0
I think this is the superior version.
Tee's is good though.

>>383862841
No, the credits is just a sped up lyricless version thats all lol. Its one of my fave songs of Sonic 3 regardless!

>>383862841
Brad buxer actually confirmed that if I remember right

>>383863717
It was on screw attack iirc

>>383862634
>Some of the sprite loops look as though they weren't animated by hand, and instead scaled down flash animations

This is a modern spriteing technique. But good artists will edit them by hand after scaling.

Anyway is that gif an example? That looks amazing.

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>>383863013
With Metal Slug there's still enough hand made imperfections to tell that it was done by hand, but
With the example gif (Which admittedly is harder to get a read with on the whole because everything's moving) looking at especially the pupils and the mouth opening and closing, look too perfect to have been done by hand. (Plus, I haven't checked the current mania sprite sheet, but with the sonic 1/2/CD sprites, the pupils never have sub pixel colouring ever, always solid black.)

>>383863890
Personally speaking, the best way to have gone about doing it would of been to hand animate line art (dougas effectively), scale that down and computer colour it a frame at a time. And yea, that's a in game example.

Or they could of gone full crazy and pull some of these out of storage.

>>383863717
If Brad Buxer knows about this, then why the fuck isn't he doing something to let them use the music?

At least Ice Cap Zone now that everyone knows it was an unused Jetzons song and not fucking MJ.

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>>383864419
>>383864510
>1px thin arm

>>383864510
>>383864419
stop shilling your shitty sprites, no one likes them

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>>383864349
Pixel artists tend to get a little nuts with the aliasing on loops like that. Owlboy's standing poses are good examples of this.

>>383864594
not mine, multiple people from other threads have liked them, I think they're a neato design and look forward to the pc modding scene, there is no reason to get triggered this hard anon

>>383864593
>>383864510
>>383864419
kys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrJTFSO1ah0
>this will never be featured in another sonic game

>>383864419
>>383864510
>>383864593
As nice as these sprites look, go look at them again on a CRT over RF and tell me if you can see those pupils & arms on screen.

>>383864770
I'm glad they went with the Sonic 1 and 2 sprites as a base for the Mania design. I never liked Sonic 3's sprite.

>>383864419
>>383864510
>>383864593
Looks good anon.

>>383864878
Weren't all of Sonic 3's character sprites (and enemy sprites?) pre-rendered and hand coloured as opposed to done by hand like with the rest of the genesis games?

>>383864878
Kind of wish they took some inspiration from the 3 sprites. 1 and 2 have this issue where Sonic's spikes look like a Mohawk, while 3 was able to capture the volume of Sonic's spikes better. Mania's head spikes end up looking a bit flat, like 1 and 2's did.

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>>383864594
>Shilling
>A free to view sprite
You can't just spout buzzwords like that in a thread this slow and get away with it, anon.

>>383865063
Don't ask me, I have no idea.

>>383865104
haha nice aku picture, it really drove your retort home :P

>>383854705
i still don't see the connection between launch base and michael jackson besides the fact that it kinda sounds good if you layer bad on top of it

>>383864594
Do you know what shilling means, princess..?

>>383864349
They're not trying to add imperfections though. It's just that downscaled high res art is blurry as fuck or detail is lost that can only be added back by a human that understands how pixels add up in the human brain.

>>383865201
>>383865104
nice samefag

>being this assblasted no one likes your gay shit

>>383864426
is Brad buxer Michael Jackson? I didn't think so

>>383865156
I hate reaction images too, almost as much as I hate actually addressing what people are talking about.

>>383865268
Anon, go be a dick somewhere else, it was a nice thread until now.

I'm buying the switch version and nobody can stop me.

>>383865268
If that makes you feel better, however, once again, a pixel based image I saved from another thread and posted here has caused you to go insane

You do realise I'm not forcing it into the game, right? It is purely just a cute little thing that could possibly be modded in

why so angry about it anon?

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>>383865357
Why would we, you do what you want with your money, bro.

>>383865308
Well like I said, he can at least do something about Ice Cap now that it's proven it has everything to do with him and his band and nothing with MJ.

>>383865357
buy it for every platofrm anon

>>383865475
I'm getting the PS4 collector's edition for free too.

>>383865357
>buying the only portable version
I bet you play mario in public too faggot.

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[/spoiler]Expect a OC creator

This will happen when you 100% the game, search your hearts.

>>383865662
That's stupid, anon. It's sprites we're talking about, it's not as easy to make a creator out of that as it is with models.

>>383865243
I'm not saying they should go out of their way to add imperfections, but given the amount of love and attention the rest of the game's getting, having the character sprites jump from higher quality reworks of the classic spritework to what appear to be down scaled flash animation really puts a dampener on the perceived quality. Not to the point that it's a problem though, I fully admit it's a minor nitpick, but not a invalid one.

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>mfw trying to work out all the gimmicks from other levels and levels shown so I can cross out what we will and won't get

I NEED MORE FOOTAGE.

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>tfw I just want to see the animated cutscenes for this god damn VIDEOGAME

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Robotropolis Sonic OVA level in Mania WHEN?

Music discussions like this go nowhere because we are lacking crucial information. We know they are double dipping so let's talk about some you want to see in instead, and tell us how you want them remixed.

Lava Reef - Ash ridden, post eruption, ceiling exposed.
Azure Lake - fully stage version that becomes a snow level in act 2
Hill Top - spring themed

>>383865739
I just don't get your "quality" issue. Say the things you're talking about aren't hand done or even hand edited, they still look good and I don't see how a human could improve them by pixel picking. Did you mean you wanted it to look worse for the sake of being consistent with the hand made sprites?

>>383865989
I unironically like the ending song in that OVA.

>>383865989
isn't bad future stardust speedway pretty much that

>>383866000
Why would you want to bring back Hill Top anon, that is the most boring stage ever

Azure lake idea turning into snow like I like

>>383865989
>Every citizen lives a BASED life in robotropolis with robot waifus powered by small animals
>Sonic comes and fucks it all up

God dammit

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>>383866000
I, really, really

REALLY

want Marble Zone to return, but get manafied and actually given proper sonic level design

>>383865989
I've always considered metal sonic to be sonic's greatest foe. Mostly because it was a personal enemy.

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>>383866068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc8QJPEs-Ag

The OVA is unironically incredible.

>>383866279
Yeah I'm trying to think of marble gimmicks that actually fit sonic level design

Fire grass that chases you? Everything else is an annoying moving part you're best off waiting on.

>>383866053
Not worse, done by hand. Watch a 2D Disney film in HD (That hasn't been screwed with by "Enhanced" editions.), the animation is absolutely top notch, but every cel still has the irregularities of someone inking it by hand, and it isn't perfectly transitioning between frames like a flash animation (tweening) because of that hand created irregularity. It feels like it was crafted as opposed to automated. It's the same reason why CG anime never looks as good as its 2D counterparts.

>>383866386
I heard in another thread the sonic team disavowed the OVA

These are the same people who thought of a black hedgehog with guns and an anatomically correct human having a romance with a cartoon animal

>>383866612
The spike platforms on a chain could swing back and fourth, farther or less so depending on how fast you run onto them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFgnUa1v8uA

You'll like this video about the whole MJ ordeal.

>>383848365
We hear you. Green Hill Zone 2 and Midboss Theme coming very soon.

>>383866612
Remember that part in Marble where the lava really slowly chases you in that small corridor part?

that, but on steroids, and it insta kills you, as in a whole entire small act dedicated to just going fast and outrunning the lava

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>>383866852
DON'T GET MY HOPES UP LIKE THAT ANON

>>383866742
Iizuka is a piece of shit.

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>>383866852
fuck sake

I wish I knew if people like this were serious or not or just random anons

>>383866902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_HlOSGyXg
Skip to 4:16

>>383854109
You're an idiot and spreading misinformation. Stop.

>>383866661
>Not worse, done by hand.
Yeah but the material they downscale was made by hand, it's just the scaling algorithm isn't. But it produces good results to start with. And those few times it produces good results to keep, just go with it. If you could describe what looks bad by how it actually looks bad instead of looking like X process made it, I'd understand. His eyes and mouth there don't look blurry or anything, which is usually the problem.

I am against automated interpolation of frames though. I agree that's just totally useless.

Also high-res 2D art isn't the only sources that are downscaled. 3D models are used too and could explain the "perfect" transitions you're talking about.

>>383856049
The Jackson Estate make the Jews look charitable.

>>383867007
dear god

that, give me that.

that fits sonic so much, that frantic as fuck music and just running for his god damn blue life

>>383866765
>>383866902

These sound neat. And I'd be fine with marble zone if only to shut up those people who defend the original.

>>383866967
They could prove it by uploading the mini-boss theme now

like, right now

please

>>383867007
BLAST PROCESSING
Jesus that mod is crazy fast.

>>383867194

they can prove it by doing this

Give us a released date, and if not exact, can you say maybe, a week, 2 weeks? a few days?

We need that boss theme

>>383867071
I'm not saying it looks bad, I'm saying it looks lazy. Most people who play video games know what flash animation looks like, and it's really easy to make things smooth to computer calculated perfection. And in a game where there's so much effort put into everything about it, having what looks like scaled down flash animations inserted in place of hand drawn sprites puts a extremely minor dampener on the entire project.

>>383867618
I'm trying to understand what you mean by flash

When I imagine flash I imagine terrible line and terrible smooth gradient shading. I don't see that in the mania sprite and I don't think you can even get that look to show up in a pixel sprite

>>383866967

They probably do browse around here. The community team is surprisingly rather involved with the internet, or at least the Sonic community.

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>>383864419
Mania's sprite is perfect for the game it's trying to make, but now it looks more like something for a direct sequel to Sonic 3&Knuckles than a uniquely stylized anniversary game like Sonic Mania.

>>383864818
I think a real Sonic 4 would be designed for modern outputs and screens, including using transparencies instead of the type of dithering that would simulate transparency with RF or composite. Kind of like Taxman's Sonic 1 does, with the shield and Buzzbomber's wings.

>>383866771
that was pretty interesting

>>383867346
The seventh.

We love you all.

>>383854404
Sonic Jam uses the original music. They aren't emulated, they're redone from scratch. So I guess there isn't a copyright issue.

>>383867927
I... I LO--LOVE YOU-- YOU TOO BUT IF YOU'RE FUCKING W-- DON'T FUCK WITH ME YOU FUCK!

In the slight 0.1 chance you're legit, make sure the sequel is all original levels, you're doing amazing so far. also make metal playable don't fuck with us, or amy, I know I'm asking for alot but only because we believe in you

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>>383867927
You too.

>>383868084
It wouldn't be a direct sequel if they did that, but it would be cool to have an original game by them that did.

>>383867927
This is what makes me the most skeptical. If there really was a reveal to be leaked, there's no way they'd make it traceable back to a 4chan thread.

Does anyone have that image of the different comic artists drawing what comes to mind when they're given the word revolution

>>383854109
You're completely wrong, blatantly lying. The lack of noise channel did not require them to completely change the compositions, that makes no sense, especially since the noise channel was used to supplement percussion and general midi has a dedicated wide range of percussion. Angel Island and Hydrocity also use the noise channel and they ported those songs, making your claim even more stupid.

Michael Jackson was involved with the creation of "the forbidden 3". Sega did not properly establish legal rights to these songs and they hung in limbo until he died and ownership passed to the Jackson Estate, which is owned by greedy people who will go after Sega like a rabid hyena if they fuck up. Since the Jackson Estate has enormous money and legal power, Sega does not want to fuck with that at all.
As others have said, direct copies/emulations of the original game are valid. Any kind of recreation crosses the line.

The claim that the Genesis sound chip used midi is also wrong. Genesis music is often in a format vaguely resembling midi in concept, but it is really nothing alike.

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yo I've been looking for a sonic fan game from the past,in which you can play as shadow, tails, amy and sonic, has a fighitng mode in it, several stages and some midi music. It has tikal in it, it was probably made in flash, anyone remember the name? Can't find it anywhere.

>>383847316
How did Sonic Generations managed to get those tracks then?

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>>383867927
>Have to wait 4 weeks for another song to be posted
Eat a dick, Aaron.

>>383867805
They're both problems, but that's not what I'm talking about,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGywdfO5kek
Shadow's mouth at 1:12's a good example of what I'm referring to, it moves to absolute perfection between key frames because all the animator did was scale it a bit and move it around, instead of drawing a entirely new frame for each mouth shape.
That sort of super smooth scrolling across the screen wouldn't show up with limited colours, but it can still be shown with sub pixel colouring (Changing to different colours between frames to simulate the missing information.), much like a shrunk camera photo (~100px big) can still how details that aren't being directly represented. The example gif looks as though it was done by doing this.

>>383868616
I don't recall icecap Zone, Carnival Night or launch base being in Generations.

Much less recreated like others.

>>383868738
Not him but Sonic Generations had like, a Music Library, didn't it?

>>383867860
I know it would to a certain extent (heck, the Saturn can support real transparencies on one of its two video chips), but I was referring to how on a CRT over RF, single pixel lines would get lost to the fuzz, making his pupils and arms virtually impossible to make out. A lot of indie games that use pixel art as a excuse to be lazy do the exact same thing and it completely throws actual retro game restrictions out of the window.

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Super Knuckles had better be pink

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>>383867927
>Releasing a song when the entire games soundtrack would be ripped a week later
Why?

>>383869134
Actual retro game restrictions are out of the window, which is why you can make sprites that look better now. It's never a problem to do a sprite based game that does things older hardware couldn't do, it's only a problem if it looks cheap or bad.

>>383869157
Super Knuckles ain't happening, you know that as well as me. Because "hurr durr only male hedgehogs can go Super"

>>383868909
not with recreated music.

I get the feeling that's the issue here. the original music is probably fine withing specific context, but it can never be recreated or redone.

were those in generations?

>>383869304
This isn't being made by Sonic Team though, Taxman and the crew really do care about the classic games, I don't see why they would leave out Super Knuckles

>>383867927
ayy lmao

>>383869403
I know it's not made by Sonic Team, but they still have some guidelines to follow, I'm sure. Well, we'll see in a month, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Plus there won't be a Super Tails so why should I care?

>>383869371
Not sure on Launch base or Carnival but I clearly remember Ice Cap was one of the alt tracks you could place in stages.

>>383869264
It's probably a case of purism on my part, but not keeping yourself to the restrictions of the hardware you're making it look like your game runs on (At least visually, throw all of the sprites on screen without a care in the world to sprite limits, but don't have any of those sprites exceed the palette restrictions.) and your game comes off as using pixels for the sake of not having to deal with high resolution artwork, or high quality animation, or colour work.

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>>383868709
>Shadow's mouth at 1:12's a good example of what I'm referring to, it moves to absolute perfection between key frames because all the animator did was scale it a bit and move it around, instead of drawing a entirely new frame for each mouth shape.

Yeah it's hard to tell because it's pixels now. I could imagine it being either a transformed shape or hand drawn.

>That sort of super smooth scrolling across the screen wouldn't show up with limited colours, but it can still be shown with sub pixel colouring (Changing to different colours between frames to simulate the missing information.)

Well that I could check out. And this might explain it, that gif is not pixel perfect at all and uses more colors.

>>383848409
The one acceptable song is the beginning of Carnival Night Act 2, everything should just not be there.

>>383854404
>Genesis uses MIDI
What? No it doesn't, it works entirely different.

>>383869763

This one >>383859380 doesn't look like it has any compression issues that screw with the squareness of the pixels too much.

>>383869662
High resolution artwork is a pointless effort, it's a lot more time consuming and expensive and it just doesn't look as good as quality sprite artwork. Wario Land Shake It looks worse than Wario Land 4, Sonic 2 HD looked worse than Sonic 2 and Sonic Mania. The only games that come close are Cuphead and the Monster World 2 remake.

>>383860154
>Can we stop this "copyright prevents these levels from existing" meme?

No

Stealth himself said that's the fucking reason why Sonic 3 Remastered wasn't fucking happening.

>>383870127
Also notice with Tails & Knuckles, both of them have large areas that are the exact same between frames, but are moved as necessary to keep it consistent, a technique common to retro titles because it saves on memory to reuse sprite parts instead of a completely new sprites each frame.

>>383870219
>Wario Land Shake It looks worse than Wario Land 4
You fucking take that back, Shake It is the most gorgeous Wario game.

>>383870426
Not even close. It's a novelty but the end result just isn't great.

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>>383859575
>The genesis uses samples made to emulate an FM synthesizer
nigger you have no fucking idea what you're taking about. It's not emulating an FM synthesizer, is IS an FM synthesizer.
The Genesis uses the YM2612 chip in order to produce it's FM sound, alongside the legacy SN76489 PSG chip carried over from the Master System.
The system can use one of its 6 FM channels as a DAC channel allowing the system to play samples such as drums/voices, and the like.

You're just making yourself sound like an idiot.

>>383870219
Wario Land Shake it is debatable (Mostly because I haven't really played it), but there's no way Sonic 2 HD looks worse than Sonic 2, Maybe mania but that's due to raw density of information when 2 HD's trying to keep true to the source material enough that it isn't something completely different.

Funnily enough both of your examples of good games are completely done by hand (Via drawing tablet for Monster World 2 / Wonder Boy III and full blown cel animation inked by hand but digitally coloured for Cuphead), Sonic 2 HD doesn't have the luxury to draw and colour everything by hand the same way the official art was in the 90's, but they emulated it well enough that it still looks fantastic.

So this seems relevant as fuck

>Since the Copyright Act of 1909, United States musicians have had the right to record a version of someone else's previously recorded and released tune, whether it is music alone or music with lyrics.[5] A license can be negotiated between representatives of the interpreting artist and the copyright holder, or recording published tunes can fall under a mechanical license whereby the recording artist pays a standard royalty to the original author/copyright holder through an organization such as the Harry Fox Agency, and is safe under copyright law even if they do not have any permission from the original author.

And that mechanical license thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license

Which is basically a right to reproduce, not sample from recording. This would apply to remastered music.

And the good part.

Copyright law also allows for a "compulsory mechanical license". Under the law, anybody can obtain compulsory mechanical license without express permission from the copyright holder.

This shit is pocket change too. But other required licenses for video games could screw it up.

>>383870389
Do you know where he said it?

>>383871145
Hes' referring to this probably:
http://hcstealth.tumblr.com/post/110586472232/regarding-sonic-3

Cybershell is probably right. It shouldn't be that fucking hard to get the rights to music that was in your fucking video game. Sega just doesn't want to shell out the cash for it because they don't give a shit about classic sonic fans.

>>383870630
Correct.

>>383859575
You are wrong.

>>383871198
>More recently, Cirocco Jones mentioned in early 2012 that there was a lawsuit “going on or about to go on” in relation to Sonic 3, and referred an interviewer to Bobby Brooks, who responded very negatively to being asked anything at all about it.

>"what do u want? from me ? why do u want to know?
you can contact my lawyer
first off I don't know who u are or what you really want you don't have anything to do with my personal biz so why would I just give info to a stranger while im in the middle of some legal shit . tis is my personal biz so if you don't mind quit asking me about my biz"

This dude types like he was zero years old when sonic 3 was made, wow.

>>383868443
>>383871374
You didn't need a trip for that

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What are your hopes for Sonic if Mania exceeds Sega's expectations?
No matter how hopeless it seems, I'd love to see an all-in-one 16 bit remake of the master system games and Sonic Xtreme.

I'd also gladly love an HD remake of the Advance series (think Ubiart engine style), but I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who wants that.

>>383871678
I want a remake of Sonic Rush for modern systems, with the mechanics and sound design left mostly alone, only remastering most of the graphics and changing up some of the level design.

>>383868443
lange are you ok? i think you need to calm down sweetie.

>>383871678
>What are your hopes for Sonic if Mania exceeds Sega's expectations?

Best timeline: The current sonic team is disbanded and everyone is fired or relocated and their title is given to whoever wants to join from the fan studios

Neutral Timeline: Dispassionate fucks at sonic team get fired, Iizuka retires from his role in shame, the remaining sonic team that were pulling their weight compete with the fan studios and try to find a voice for the 3D games. We have two branches of sonic games.

Bad Timeline: Iizuka is extremely jealous and bitter of mania's success and sega's favor for the new blood. He tricks taxman into given them the engine, sabotages them and takes control of classic sonic.

>>383871678
3D Sonic game overseen by Taxman.
I want to see if he can live up to his tagline "friend to pixels and polys alike"

>>383853446
>Cream
God no, what's wrong with you?

>>383873553

old school amy id be fine with, but cream would be going against everything mania is doing right.

>>383873661
Amy being in Mania at all would piss me off, she's just as worthless as the rest of the trash, plus she only exists because Japan thought Sonic needed to appeal to fucking wafufags. No thanks. Thankfully, whitehead and crew have the right brains and know we and everyone sane only cares about the big 3, eggman and metal sonic.

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So, I've never played a Sonic game before. I'm planning on getting Mania when it comes out.

I'm probably going to play either Sonic 1 or 2 first. Should I skip 1 for now and go straight to 2?

>>383874109
Play 1 and if you don't like it go to 2.
You're probably emulating so the worst that happens is that you lose a couple minutes of time deciding you don't like the first one.

>>383874109
Fucking play 1. Labyrinth zone will be a giant bitch, but it's basically how you get good.
Save state at the beginning of each zone and load if you game over. This is essentially how Sonic 3K handles saving.

>>383874109
Play all of them. Through either Kega Fusion or Genesis Plus GX on Retroarch.

>>383847316
>>Ice Cap: music copyright
So do we get ice cap zone or not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2OWC5Hosv8

>>383874109
>>383874169
>>383874292
Yeah. I guess I will probably start with 1 then. I think I may have played 1 years ago, but Marble Zone left a bad taste in my mouth.

It also didn't help I was worried about getting all of the Chaos Emeralds, instead of just getting through the game.

>>383874538
We'll fine out in a month.

>>383874604
Don't give a shit about the chaos emeralds in any of the games. The sonic 3k final zone is not worth it.

>>383874604
I'm going to let you in on a little tip.
The emeralds do fucking nothing in the first game. Don't worry about getting them

>>383874604
>It also didn't help I was worried about getting all of the Chaos Emeralds, instead of just getting through the game.
They're optional, personally I find the ones in 1 super easy but they're not fulfilling. Sonic 2 you get a nice reward but I hate the half-pipe so it's a chore to do and Sonic 3 & Knuckles is fine, Blue Spheres are a-ok and they help incentivize you to explore and the rewards for all characters are pretty dope (plus you have a save feature so it shouldn't be that stressful if you don't get them all your first time).

>>383874604
Labyrinth Zone and Marble Zone were designed like traditional platformers and don't make any use of the physics. They're a lot slower than the other levels.
Scrap Brain act 3 is an extra act of Labyrinth.
Skip them with the level select if you really don't like them.

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>>383853446
I don't want either and they'd drain resources that could be put into like a boss fight or another zone so I'd not like it. And level design would need to be blander since Amy can't do everything the other 3 can do.

>>383875398
Imagine Metal Amy and Cream boss

>>383875558
Sounds pretty dumb desu

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>>383875558
I'd rather imagine pic related.

>>383847316
Sonic fans trully are autists.
I can see it just by looking at OP.
I don't understand the appeal of these games to you.

>>383847316
Is the game supposed to be available on Switch at the same time ? I'd rather go for the Switch version for the handheld comfiness, but if it takes too much time to be released I might take it on PC.

>>383848156
>the PC music.
It sucks

>>383847316
>Marble Garden: gimmick in Stardust Speedway
What?

>>383876086
It's getting released on all platforms on the 15th of August.

>>383876454
>Nice, thanks anon !

>>383848769
Yeah people with shit taste
>>383850251
>get tee lopes to make brand new themes for them.
>That'd be fine.
No it wouldn't, that would still suck.

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>>383850981
found the pleb

>>383876782
I'm gonna miss the insta-shield, but the drop dash still looks pretty cool.

>>383854109
Please kill yourself

>>383854705
Ice Cap is Jetzons, but Carnival Night uses Jam samples and Launch Base sounds MJ as fuck

>>383876782
I like the insta-shield, but it was pretty busted. Trivialized pretty much every boss.

>>383876782
Yeah, that's pretty sweet. But what other opportunities do have to make it as useful as the dropdash?

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>>383847316
Hydrocity? Awwyeaaaaaah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QTjqmh4Sn4&ab_channel=EPICLULZ123

>>383877113
This. Especially the Carnival Night Act 2 boss.

>>383857379
If they could get Bruce Connole and Brad Buxer's permission to use that song in Mania I'd love for Tee to implement that guitar solo at the end it's so fucking badass

>>383856296
Holy shit kill yourself right now

>>383856406
I love how everyone yells
>MUH JACKSON ESTATE
like a fucking moron but they completely forget that SONY owns a lot of MJ's catalog now

>>383860334
elaborate

>>383857669
Sega never owned the music you fucking retard. Same way they don't own Sonic 1 and 2's music.

>>383876542
>get tee lopes to make brand new themes for them
I don't know about that, but he could remix them just enough to count as new songs.

>>383877458
they must pay out the ass every time they rehash green hill

>>383877121
The insta shield lets you double tap and tear through a lot of bosses in S3&K.
Also all those rotating spike enemies can actually be hurt instead of avoided.

Insta shield has mostly combat applications which is an area sonic has few options, unlike the drop dash which is for gaining and maintaining speed which is something he's already pretty good at.
It looks like it feels good to zip around with the drop dash, but the insta shield broadens sonic's toolkit more overall.

>>383876782
Ha that's my gif.

>>383877121
It's temporary invincibility. You can phase through a lot of things in the game with good timing, and more speed means more likely to clear through it. It also allows you to attack invulnerable foes, such as the orbinauts in Launch Base, and can easily do in some bosses like Hydrocity Act 1 and Carnival Night Act 2. I prefer the instashield, but the drop dash is alright; one of the devs pointed out you can reverse your direction with it while in the air, allowing you to instantly speed backwards, making for a useful maneuvering tool.

>sonic 3 featuring Knux will never be updated like sonic CD
>stuck with it on steam emulated probably with a rom and emulator sega took online

>>383858638
>The only candidates for legal trouble were carnival night, ice cap, launch base, and the ending credits right?
Nope
There's also Sonic 3 Miniboss theme, Sonic 3 Knuckles theme, Sonic 3 Competition Select theme

>>383877774
Just play Sonic 3 Complete in Genesis Plus GX, you dummy.