This is the ideal Fire Emblem game. You may not like it, but

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An ideal Fire Emblem is a game that has good gameplay and good writing and characters and can incorporate its cast and setting into its objectives.

So no, it isn't.

That's not Birthright.

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>great maps
>everyone's intelligence literally drops by 100 points compared to hoshido

>>383816131
>muh story
Literally who cares.

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>>383815496
An ideal Fire Emblem has both the presentation and visuals of the best parts of Echoes and the stellar game design of the best parts of Conquest. An ambitious narrative like Genealogy and worldbuilding like Path of Radiance. If one FE game has all those traits then it's the best FE for me.

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>>383816449
I know you started with the 3DS games, but world and cast has always been a thing that Fire Emblem used to focus on in its development. Even as far back as FE1 and FE2, characters were given more focus than any other game of its genre at the time did. You'd often have your main objectives which were straightforward but figuring out all the other shit would involve actually paying attention to the cast and then doing certain things with certain characters. Awakening dropped the ball big time on this and Fates didn't even try to recover from that. It's the primary reason why these games feel so weak compared to their predecessors. Awakening and Fates fail at this so badly that you could swap out all the characters and settings with plain lifeless grid shapes and it would change absolutely nothing except what unit you get from making certain units fuck in the baby making dimension.

>>383817265
so you're a story cuck. got it

>>383817265

You people always exaggerate, you talk about the absolute main characters of the old Fire Emblem games like it applies to the whole cast when really it's like 5-10 defined characters between the heroes and villains and the rest are just nobodies.

The series is about characters and its only recently now that all of the characters are actually distinct.

>>383816329

Fucking this. I kept expecting for you to rally your siblings to form a coup, but nope. It peaked right around the time you find Gunter again.

>Oh look, a mysterious outrealm full of demons and shit just like what killed the queen
>>Yeah but we can't talk about it or we'll disappear
>Okay cool. So dad's a demon?
>>Yup?
>In which case I must go and slaughter countless people as I cut a bloody swathe across a kingdom so he can go and sit in a magical chair some lady I met once told me reveals your true self

ARE
YOU
KIDDING
ME

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>>383817265
Why in the fuck did they make the children so fucked to get in fates?
You literally have to marry a 2nd gen if you want to get all the kids
Even if you are a female corrin and you marry one of the males then one of the 1st gen females gets left out
What the fuck were ISIS thinking?
Just make it to where when both MU's can get all the kids regardless of gender
Also WHY did they have to make all the people who chose to play as Femui have to choose between the best two boys Ryoma and Xander?
It's literally impossible for me two pick between them.

/v/ doesn't actually care about gameplay, my dude.

>>383817801
It's so obvious that second gen wasn't planned for Fates at all until really late in development and only thrown in because Awakening did it.

>>383817970
Gameplay needs to be good, but having standards to not settle for everything else being trash is also needed. Only half of Conquest is good anyways and Conquest is only a third of Fates. That's 1/6 of a project that turned out good enough. That's a grade fucking F.

>>383817265
>world and cast has always been a thing that Fire Emblem used to focus on in its development
If by "always" you mean "in the Kaga games", sure.
Elibe is concentrated ass at all times where it is not ripping off Archanea, Magvel is vanilla as fuck, Tellius was accidentally decent and made ass retroactively by Radiant Dawn, and New Mystery missed the entire point of FE3.

>>383818295
>Only half of Conquest is good anyways and Conquest is only a third of Fates

Naw, man. There's only a few stinkers like the fox map.

>>383818295

You don't sound like you care about gameplay at all.

>>383815496
There are a few really good maps, but I wouldn't say it's a peak when it comes to gameplay for the series. There were plenty of mediocre maps, the two different pair up styles became pointless later in the game, and skills were awful. So many skills that gave +2 damage in certain situations, making it ever so fiddly to calculate rather than a more elegant skill like those earlier in the series. At least many of them weren't RNG based, but still. Additionally, like the first poster said, incorporating characters into the map objectives does a lot; why did this series decide that recruiting people on the battlefield wasn't fun?

>>383818295
Conquest was a full sized game, and don't even tell me "half" of it was good. It maybe had 2 bland maps early on. The rest was god tier. Great wall of Takumi, Ryoma's retarded duel, Hinoka's Flier fun time, and especially the Chapter 10 casual filter.

Also, after playing the 1st run on hard mode, it blew my mind to find out certain features and mechanics are easier on Normal mode instead of just bloating stats. Golems couldn't move in normal mode, but in Hard/Lunatic they can. In Lunatic, the pair meter goes down every turn that a unit doesn't go into combat. Shit like that is how you do multiple difficulties. Not stat inflation.

>>383820809
>a more elegant skill like those earlier in the series. At least many of them weren't RNG based.

Are you some kind of idiot? The old skill system was a pile of shite.

>>383821135
1. Which game's system are you referring to?
2. Elaborate.

>>383821321
>1. Which game's system are you referring to?
>2. Elaborate.

Damn near all of them but to save time I'll just cover Tellius

Tellius
>Shade, Provoke, Stillness: Make absolute no sense in Fire Emblem
>Parity, Gamble, Tempest, Serenity, Corrode Counter and all those shitty Laguz ones like Quick Claw: Skills so useless that you're no worse off removing them
>Mastery Skills: practically one hit kills in Radiant Dawn with bonus status effects that never apply because the enemy is dead, near worthless beyond Ikes in PoR

The only decent ones are Wrath, Resolve, Adept, Vantage, Celerity, Smite and Dragon Tide are the only really usable ones that aren't just mastery one shot kills. Awakenings/Fates HP+5 skill would be a more desirable skill than most of Tellius' skills.

>>383822826
This post is almost completely correct, but Shade, Provoke and Stillness are good for manipulating enemy AI, such as making them prioritise a general over a priest, or a land unit over a flying unit in ballista range. Not that the game is hard enough to justify it.

The system looks good on paper and in hindsight, but replaying the games recently highlighted how inconsequential most skills are.

n

>>383820809
>why did this series decide that recruiting people on the battlefield wasn't fun?
It's not even just recruiting people, there was even stuff like getting Eldigan to leave the battlefield and get the Earth Sword, or PoR awarding extra bonus exp for not killing certain factions of red units, or even the way Radiant Dawn lets you pass units between armies in certain chapters by letting the proper characters engage and talk to each other. Fates doesn't do any cool shit like this. You'd think Flora could be talked down by Felicia or Jakob for instance, but no.

>>383817801
Hold up
Which kid will be left out if I don't marry a 2nd gen kid?

>>383815496
Find me a game with a worse plot, seriously

>>383825374
Whichever guy is left behind. You'll have to be one to be an eternal virgin.

I am an Awakening/Fates babby. Do the older games have an actually decent story?

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>>383815496
conquest is actually poor in most regards like the frailty of most units leading to over-reliance on RNG to decide who lives or dies since it's all in one shot, compared to being a more intelligent battle of attrition and strategy.

you're just a stupid drone who fell for the "le hardcore dark souls of fates" marketing. you probably don't even understand what I'm saying.

>>383825575
Pick, not be. But to add onto that statement, if you're an autist about classes then you'll have to marry Midoriko and pick oni as your secondary class if you want your self insert to have access to all classes. This isn't a problem if you play as a girl however.

>>383825727
Path of Radiance has the best story of all the English games. It's pretty good and even foreshadows a shitload of Radiant Dawn subtly that you'll only notice after playing both of them.

>>383825731
lmao i hope you're not being serious

>>383825727
I wouldn't say they are anything special, but even then they blow the story for Awakening and Fates out of the water. Especially Fates.

>>383815496
>peak "gameplay" looks like
too bad leftists that are too lazy to read books instead want to "read" plots in video games

>>383825727
>MUH PLOT
you have the wrong hobby you lazy fuck

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>>383825509
>Find me a game with a worse plot, seriously

Easy

>>383826291
I love the gameplay. I spent 600 hours on those games combined. It's just that I eventually just skip most of the story.

https://mynintendonews.com/2017/07/13/amazon-es-briefly-listed-fire-emblem-fates-complete-edition-for-switch-and-then-removed-it/

https://mynintendonews.com/2017/01/17/fire-emblem-fates-revelation-switch-mentioned-in-source-code-on-nintendo-website/

Wait for the HD remake.

>>383815496
>I like small maps, people with backpacks and gimmicks
Yah no.

>>383815496

test

>>383826867
>he likes Echoes' dicksucking open field plains that are way too big
>with too many useless characters to move around when 3-4 units can handle everything on their own anyway

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>>383826964
>b-but Echoes!

>>383826964
I want my army to fight an army, not some guys and their backpack fighting in a lab full of annoying gimmicks.

>>383826964
>Because I hate one game that means I like another
Both are different flavors of trash faggot.

Even if you're a muh gameplay fag, Thracia and Radiant Dawn still have better gameplay than Conquest and the GBA games have better maps at least.

>>383826964
He didn't even bring up Echoes, my dude. Sounds like you got issues.

>>383827541
>Even if you're a muh gameplay fag,Thracia and Radiant Dawn still have better gameplay than Conquest and the GBA games have better maps at least.

Yeah...no storyfag. Just because they're easy enough to blunder your way through doesn't mean they have better maps than Conquest.

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>>383826964
>muh Echoes!!!

>>383827541
You've never played Thracia and RD's gameplay is super overrated.

>>383827717
>Just because they're easy enough to blunder your way through
But they're generally regarded as two of the hardest games in the series, shitposter-kun.
>>383827763
>RD's gameplay is super overrated
And Conquest's isn't? That's not an argument anyway.

>>383827421
That never happens.

>>383815496
lol no

It was better than birthright and awakening, but too many gimick maps and a terrible plot even by FE standards.

>>383827882
Not like you offered any argument of your own. Why should I bother?

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Is PoR the best game in the Series or not?
Also why does everybody pretty much everywhere just LOVE Ike? What makes him so much better than literally every other Lord in the series?

>>383815496
Conquest, is pretty garbage. There's no real strategy involved. The ideal FE game is Thracia 776. Great gameplay, maps and mechanics with the perfect difficulty. It also helps that the story is good and there's no "an ancient evil/dragon awakens".

>>383828209
You've never played Thracia 776.

>>383828149
>Is PoR the best game in the Series or not?
It's more that it's the most balanced game in the series in terms of maps, mechanics, characters, story, everything. Usually most FEs excel at some and drop the ball on others but PoR is pretty decent at all of them. Not amazing at any of them, but being solid in all aspects is still a feat worth praising.

>>383828149
It's good, but it's on the easy end since Ike can shit all over any challenge the game throws at you which is one half of why everyone likes him. The other half is that he's a manly motherfucker, especially compared to the likes of Corrin or Marth.

>>383816329
>compared to hoshido
>the country that literally doesn't know what nohr is like despite having a vast spy network
Then again ryoma, the king, opted to go deep into enemy territory to check out a rumor without telling anyone so maybe the spy network is fake

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Unit balance can get pretty fucked in games. Because of that, I can't even say that Genealogy is the best, because it's literally Horse Emblem, despite the fact that it's my favorite game

>>383828539
like, most games in the series are horse emblem

>>383828252
Can you prove that? I'll admit that there are a number of people that dickride it without actually having played it because of the reputation it has, but if you're going to call someone out on if they played it or not then you can do a better job than that.

>>383828539
Mounted units are OP in a lot of the games. I guess Genealogy just makes it more obvious.

Dismounting needs to come back just not as retarded as Kaga made it.

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>>383828209
>It also helps that the story is good and there's no "an ancient evil/dragon awakens".

The villain is literally an evil guy in a robe with absolutely no backstory or development.

I don't get how people can complain about Garon and Validar who actually are fleshed out with backstories...but hold up a game with a robed evil guy who is evil for the sake of being evil.

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>>383828149
It's the game that doesn't fuck anything up while excelling in a few nice little things. It's a game that doesn't ever feel too frustrating to put up with in any regard like some other games tend to do. Besides the obligatory boat and desert maps.

Also Ike is relatively humble but still manages to get shit done while trying his best. He doesn't count himself as the best fighter ever, but he never sells himself or his own men short either. He just faces things objectively even in the face of doubt while trying to make sure he can see the whole picture by talking to everybody.

>>383828959
to be fair berdo is kind of an afterthought in the game itself. he's a guy who just kind of happened to be the last guy you deal with instead of masterminding anything.

>>383815496
I really wanted to like fire emblem fates/IF.

but even good gameplay when presented with such a horrible story is unpleasant to play.

that with revelations being even worse gameplay paired with bad story was just annoying.

I really hope they do a better job with the writing in the next one, and no the censorship was not what caused the bad writing, though that didn't help it either.

>>383829116
I think I would have liked it more if it had been Manfroy, and instead of killing him in the Endgame he just fucked off to die in the Endgame of Genealogy. Would have been an interesting twist to not actually kill the last boss

>>383828149
Ike is remembered fondly because he's the last protagonist we've actually had. RD came out a decade ago, and since then we haven't had a single new protagonist who wasn't just an empty void of a self-insert.

>>383828959
You know full well that he isn't the main villain and is barely even part of the story

>>383828149
It's my favorite and that's all that really matters to me. Best story supports, dialogue differing depending on who's alive, boss dialogue for absolutely mad matchups(like your dancer and the final boss), second best gameplay support system(beaten only by Radiant Dawn), bonus exp system is a great mechanic and needs to return, story is fleshed out and interesting. Almost everything in it is well done and well thought out. Except the burger king fight. Fuck that shit.

>>383825727
No. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or being wilfully stupid.

>>383829416
Chrom was the protagonist of Awakening, though. And he has a pretty clear cut personality

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>>383828149
it's one of the few fire emblems where I didn't go:

"that's retarded"

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>Echoes, The Remake was the best Nu Fire Emblem.

>>383829416
We had chrumb. Also Corrin is an actual character with his own personality and history, he's a pretty shitty self insert and may as well be a lord through and through.

>>383829116
Yeah, Raydirk is the only one that can really be considered as the game's main villain, even if he isn't the final boss. Although I wouldn't say Raydirk is that much better since he's still a generic evil thug like most other FE villains.

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>>383829574
>Posts a retard who believes every word the obviously evil Jedah says
>Doesn't post best girl
Remove Celica

>>383829574

My only issue is that Celica is too stupid to live sometimes.

Though I understand it's so that the story progresses so I ignore it.

>>383829667
>Corrin is an actual character
Barely. He BARELY scrapes by as a character, and is a shitty self insert.
Much as I hate to give points to Awakening, Robin was the better self insert. He had minimal plot importance until the last third of the game, he was basically a playable Mark until Grima reared his ugly head

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>FE is a story driven game, there's dialogue between nearly, if not every battle
>The story doesn't matter guys, lol

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>>383815496
Actually, this is the ideal Fire Emblem game.

Conquest is #2

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>>383828149
Everyone likes Ike because he is not sheltered baby lord like the rest.
Nigga became the boss the best sell sword legion, he is basically guts minus all the suffering

>>383817265
>writingfags
LOL

so casual it fucking hurts

>>383828149
I would rate it up there probably, as this anon said >>383828271
Its the most balanced and without some glaring issue I tend to replay that one the most of any of the games. While some will have better things PoR has the best overall package.

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>>383829734
>obviously evil
He's just a holy man looking out for his country. Any man in his position would do the same.

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>>383830135
Look at this beautiful man. It's not his fault Celica is borderline retarded

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>>383829734
>>383829736
I don't mind Celica being stupid because her trains of thought are "logical" to someone who thinks that gods are needed for Valentia to not immediately go barren.

Obviously trusting Jedah was stupid, but other than that there's not much you can fault her on. She doesn't have Alm's gusto to fuck the gods and deal with the outcome.

>>383829926
I can't find a game that refuses to let me use the shitty units I want to use enjoyable in the slightest.

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OP here, sorry I posted the wrong image. Here's the real image.

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Why was this game so bad?

>>383830396
shit maps

>>383830213
To be fair, even he genuinely believed this was all necessary for the good of Valentia. Jedah and Celica both were too dedicated to their respective gods and believed they were the key to having a future. This is why Rudolf came up with his crazy ass plan to begin with, to get mankind to stop leaning on the gods so much and relying on them to handle everything.

>>383817801
No, female Corrin can marry anyone. There are 20 females and 18 males in that case, with male there are 19 males and 19 females. That means you have to marry either a 2nd gen female or one of the four Corrinsexual females who all have a certain handicap to their availability.

>>383830262
that was the purpose of RD, it divides up the army so you have to play everyone at one point or another. Some people hate it, I enjoyed it but if it was the standard for FE I'd hate it too

plus, you can still bring whoever you want to endgame

>>383830396
It wasn't?

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>>383817801
Is this the most casual argument ever?

>I-I can't get all m-muh kids

Getting all the children is impossible in a normal playthrough. The only way you can get everyone in one playthrough is if you grind the shit out of supports. Grinding in FE is the biggest sign of a casualshitter

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Within this image exists both the best and the worst FE. You should be able to discern one from the other, but you'd be surprised how many fail to make this simple observation.

>>383830602
You say this like half the shitters in the game are even usable in their own chapters. Tormod shows up for one chapter, fucks off, and then rejoins at the tail end of the game vastly underleveled. Fiona shows up just in time for every proceeding chapter to be swamps and to be a good 15-20 levels below your leading characters. Shit's fucked.

>>383830728
It's not like you're missing much by NOT getting the kids. The kids in Fates are garbage compared to Awakening and Genealogy

>>383815496
assuming you're skipping all of the cutscenes then yes, yes it is

>>383830602
Bullshit. The primary criticism of RD outside its plot is that it railroads you into using particular units by giving others terrible availability or ridiculous babysitting requirements and then bloats each roster with god units you don't need.

>>383830954
yeah unit balance was revelations-tier

but map design and mechanics were more than solid enough to make up for it

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>>383830602
Vika appears on 4 maps. Four.
I want to use my shitty bird in peace without this sort of grinding hell.

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>>383830728
Not to mention there's zero reason to use Jakob or his kid as a male corrin.

>>383831006
>compared to awakening
whoa hey that's flat out wrong(with a few exceptions like pic related). Awakening was all kinds of fucked regarding kids and by the time you make half of them usable literally any other unit would be godlike thanks to the recruitment chapters not scaling with your progression in the game). From a gameplay perspective fate's children are far better than awakening's system.

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>Mila has a unique twist on the humanoid form of a dragon other than just pointy ears
>very soothing voice
>see her for all of 30 seconds in an unflattering cutscene where she gets crazy eyes.
At least she sings in the credits through silque

>>383831582
>tfw Selkie was shit

why'd they do it bros, why'd the have to fuck over dodgetanks and the cutest fox girl

>>383830671
look inside yourself, you know it to be true

>>383815496
I agree. It's embarrassing how much of a step down in quality Echoes is comparatively. What were they thinking removing so many mechanics when those exact changes are what caused FE6 and SD to get such negative reception?

>>383828209
>>383828802
Yep, definitely haven't played it.

>>383817687
It's because Garon is crazy and can have your head removed at the drop of a hat. Convincing Xander was out of the question too because there is no way he was jumping off a cliff and he's so loyal he almost called Corrin a traitor at the endgame if he bothered Garon while he was on throne.
The only other option was a coup.

>>383817687
From the very beginning of the game I was thinking "Literally everyone hates the King. He mistreats all his children horribly, and constantly gets into pointless wars. Is there any reason they don't just murder him immediately?"

>>383826964
Funny thing is you described genealogy with that brief generation as well

>>383830942
best - conquest
worst - revelations
also present in image: thracia and birthright
Is that right? Or are you saying thracia is the worst?

>>383831953
>there is no way he was jumping off a cliff

except for when he does in the third route.

This game is terrible but not quite as terrible as the posters who consistently prop up with trite.

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>>383831761
I feel like wolves were designed first and then foxes came after due to the whole split route shit. Everything about the subhumans in fates work very well with the wolf stat spread. Then in an effort to make an alternate nihon class they switched high def to high res and high attack to high speed. Which means they can slaughter mages but we already have ninjas(that can even attack on enemy phase, imagine that) but are a complete cointoss against any physical unit(assuming they can even hurt them, since their attack is so ass).

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>>383817687
While I fucking hate Conquest's story, the one rational thing in it is them -not- telling the other siblings their dad was a slimeball. Showing them the orb would have been grounds for treason and distrust, especially since they can't explain nothing because mentioning the realm outside of it gets you evaporated.
Hell, even when they saw Garon themselves they wouldn't fight back until Xander stepped up, which was only after he smacked them with an axe.

>>383831431
well no game's perfect

weedbird is a joke unit anyway

>>383832551
conquest's story is ass, but leo's teleporting tome in birthright is by far worse then anything conquest has to offer

No shit OP. But you need to stop making these threads as the average player on /v/ finds it too hard and considers FE4 a challenge

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>>383829734
>woman believes in the literal Jew

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>>383832697
THANK YOU. Finally someone else who agrees with me.

Conquest's has a lot more frequent retarded moments than Birthright but all of those retarded moments would rank a 7 or 8 while Leo's stupid deus ex machina tome ranks a fucking 12. I played Birthright after Conquest and that scene was the first one to REALLY make me roll my eyes hard.

>>383832697
>teleporting tome

What?

>>383833067
take this book will take to the rainbow sage, bye

hi im the rainbow sage, im actually an illusion and gave a shit of powers to anyone, bye

>>383833067
you never played birthright?

leo has this tome after you beat him that he uses so that you can teleport to the rainbow sage's place, get upgraded yato, then teleport back.

>>383833047
the worst part is he only has this shit on birthright, its never brought up in the other routes.

>>383833067
In birthright Leo is randomly carrying a tome that teleports cortina entire army to the rainbow sage. This tome only works once(round trip, obviously) and only works for one location. This spell is also easy enough that literally anyone can use it.

>>383833250
You forgot to mention the icing on the cake: it's a ROUND TRIP tome. FUCKING ROUND TRIP. MY SIDES LEFT ORBIT AT THIS WRITING.

>>383833067
At a certain point of the game, Corrin and co are forced to backtrack to unlock the power of the Yato and learn what made Garon and Xander so strong. When they finish, they use a tome Leo gave them to warp them back to where they were before they left.

While convenient plot wise, warping is something that has been present in pretty much every FE games story.

>>383833067
After you beat Leon in the swamp, he essentially says
>I'm sorry I fought against you and swore to mercilessly kill you. I really loved you all along. Here's a tomb that will warp you and your army to the rainbow sage.

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>>383832551
>Iago and Hans Gruber threaten Kamui's life
>Literally feet from the Nohrian siblings
It always feels so good to put those cunts down, especially after what Hans did to Scarlet

>>383833410
>warping is something that has been present in pretty much every FE games story
Yeah it's only been able to be done by villains or characters who are some of the most powerful magic users in their world.

Athos is able to teleport people because he's a fucking ancient wizard who's lived for hundreds of years and has mastered all magic.

Black Knight is able to do it because of magic powder only he has access to.

Some teenage shit like Leo having a convenient tome that does this is absolute bullshit.

>>383833757
>characters who are some of the most powerful magic users in their world
Which Leo is. He's literally the go to example of an extremely powerful and gifted mage in Fates as shown in Conquest when Azura talks about the orb (the same one she gives him in Birthright).

>>383833757
Play Radiant Dawn again, every chucklefuck in Begnion has a rewarp staff.

>>383834168
which, they were villians, thus still lines up with that anon's post of "only villians and super stronk magic users can teleport"

>>383834168
That was a consequence of technology marching on, and only the senators had them (other than Izuka for some reason)

>>383834168
>every chucklefuck in Begnion has a rewarp staff
No they don't, that's just Lekain. He has the only one in existence because it's a prototype. They were going to make more but never did because you fucked them up.

>>383834003
The game never shows Leo doing anything a normal mage wouldn't be able to do. Hell I'm pretty sure Nyx is a more gifted mage than him considering her past.

>>383832046
Sorry anon, that is incorrect. I would say try again, but your incompetence is already clearly evident, so there will be no need.

>Conquest does everything but the gameplay wrong
>SoV does everything but the gameplay right

>>383834404
Izuka worked with the senators. He's the one who tricked Pelleas to sign the blood contract.

>>383833395
I'm not sure what you think is weird about that.
>>383833256
None of the routes have the same time line, so why would that be weird?

>>383834570
>None of the routes have the same time line
They all diverge from the same moment though. This warp tome doesn't just stop existing just because Corrin chose Nohr genius.

>>383825731
>frailty of most units leading to over-reliance on RNG

You're either retarded or got RNG screwed extremely hard. Or maybe you're just not used to a Fire Emblem game actually trying to beat and challenge you. Most Fire Emblem games aren't exactly all that difficult.

>>383834418
>The game never shows Leo doing anything a normal mage wouldn't be able to do
I literally gave you an example of him doing something any ordinary mage wouldn't be able to do; he uses the orb in Birthright, something Azura says in Conquest is something only a mage of Leo's caliber might be able to pull off if they don't have dragon blood.

>>383834682
>forgetting about the food
>suggesting Leo is required by law to carry a non-combat book at all times no matter the political situation

>>383834570
what i find more wierd is that you have stuff like S rank weapons located in both hoshido, nohr, and invisible kingdom.

i just find there's something wrong about that from a story perspective.

>>383833256
>you never played birthright?

I play Fire emblem primarily for the gameplay so it shouldn't be surprising.

>>383835367
I think that's a more reasonable thing to find odd, though you could just argue weapon placement is part of timeline shenanigans.

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>tfw Fates felt like it had the GOAT setup going for it but then just drops the ball unbelievably hard
How did they fuck up this bad?

>>383835954
Self-insert shit and not making Nohr actually evil. Axe those two and the game would probably immediately become a lot more interesting.

>>383835954
They contracted a manga writer then used barely any of his material, then had to split the game into three because money so they had to shill all the other versions in each story.

>>383835954
Anime story turned up to 11.

>>383834456
Kek. No it doesn't. The plot is mediocre and supports suffered due to what I believe to be voice-acting.

>>383836605
Supports suffered because they literally didn't exist in the original, but the devs added them because people would expect them.

Doesn't Corrin get a powered-up sword in a cutscene out of nowhere during the ending of Conquest or Birthright?

>>383836605
>Echoes VAs
>Bad
What?

>>383836885
Don't respond to cancer.

>>383836772
Yes. The Yatogami "resonates" with the other sacred weapons from the brothers, IIRC in Conquest it goes Brynhildr relatively early > Siegfried late game > Fujin Yumi once you "die".

>>383836885
No he means that the supports were bad/short because they needed voice acting for every line.

>>383836772
If by out of nowhere you mean foreshadowed for most of the game and working exactly the same way in every route.

>>383836885
not him, but he's probably saying that the supports were so sparse because they had to do VA for everything

I think supports sucked because they had to hamfist them in when they weren't there before

>>383836976
it's easy to label things you disagree with as cancer. Makes it much easier to pretend you're right

>>383837313
Don't act like that isn't a standard shitpost.

>>383837528
you're so dumb it hurts. stop labeling everything you disagree with as shitposting.

The only shitposter here is you

Ok guys calm down, i don't know anything about FE and i'd like to get into the series, is Echos a good game or not?

>>383837698
Thanks for confirming you just came here to shitpost.

>>383837715
It's alright but it's very atypical of the series and probably one of the most unbalanced FEs. I wouldn't recommend starting with it.

>>383837918
>everything I disagree with is shitposting

congratulations on insulting everyone while giving no arguments. You're cancer

>>383837715
Echoes is a mediocre FE game with good presentation. It's not a good entry point into the series because it's so different from all the other games. If you want to enter the franchise, start with FE7, Path of Radiance, or Birthright

>>383838080
>>383838087
What makes it so different? I always hear that the game is solid all around, and just to clarify i'm not interested in waifus and such

>>383838087
But you're the one pretending cancer complaining about the Echoes dub isn't common, which is an outright lie.

>>383838297
>solid
the game is saved from shitter status by its presentation

Its maps are incredibly bland and repetitive, with some offensively terrible maps such as Celica's swamp maps.

As for how it's different from regular FE:
>magic system is completely different
>class promotions are handled entirely differently
>mechanics of many classes are different, e.g. archers have 1-5 range, DFs don't appear anywhere else
>inventory system is entirely different, each unit only gets 1 slot compared to 5 in other games
>units learn skills by equipping weapons
etc. mechanics are totally different. They work together pretty well, but it's not like any other FE

>>383838482
nobody complains about Echoes VA, it's widely regarded as the best dub in the series. The guy isn't even complaining about the voice work, I've explained this already. The fact you're repeating the same thing despite it already explained to you is asinine

>>383838813
You're attributing a meaning that is not the actual meaning of the sentence used.

I'm disgusted to see all these thracia cocksuckers in the thread because I know 100% of you have never played it and are just parroting what other people say

>>383838962
you're so stuck on this guy being a shitposter that you refused to open your fucking eyes

I'm done. I'm fucking done. Echoescucks are the biggest fucking retards in the world. Even when I try to be civil they label everything they disagree with under the umbrella of shitposting without giving any arguments. Go back to /feg/. You're cancer

>>383838813
The swamp maps are honestly not that bad. The desert ones are the ones that really blow, especially the infamous Archer fortress.

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>>383818295
>Only half of Conquest is good anyways
Sounds like someone hit a wall.

>>383836486
>then had to split the game into three because money

They split the game into three because each of Conquest or Birthright alone and before any DLC are the joint 2nd biggest enteries in the series after Awakening.

Comparatively Path of Radiance had significantly less maps than Birthright or Conquest and they sold it at a higher price.

>>383839234
both of them suck ass. The worst part is they hit you with like 5 of the fucking things in a row

In regular FE games the desert level is tolerable, maybe even fun, because it's different and you know it's over once you finish. With celica's swamp maps it's just one slog after another

>>383839234
I disagree. Desert maps take for fucking ever because it restricts your movement
Swamp maps take even longer because you have to traverse muck, which also lowers your movement while damaging you, and there's almost always a cantor, on top of Mire bullshit.

>>383839105
Can't even admit you don't know how to read. Pathetic. At least you dropped the act though.

>>383839395
>>383839415
The reason I think swamp maps aren't that bad is because your units should be strong enough to cheese a lot of shit thrown at you like having the Mage Ring on someone, having three Falcon Knights fly over the swamp, and having Expel. You don't have any of these things for the desert maps, so you have no choice but to slog through them.

>>383839661
Also how can I forgot Dread Fighters? You have Dread Fighters by the time you get to Act 4 Swamps and you can just throw Dread Fighters into enemies and watch them take care of business.

Why do Conquestfags always assume story=plot when it's a combination of plot, characters, and setting? Did they pass first grade reading class? Fire Emblem has always been story driven. The whole concept of perma death was to feel an emotional investment to the characters who each had their own design, dialogue, and supports most of the time. There is no flavor to Conquest. I shouldn't have to mash start in between fights being conflicted if pure gameplay with no context or flavor is worth my time.

But hey, if you only want gameplay and only care about characters, go play a fan mod. It'll have all your favorite characters like Lord_Function, Cain&Abel_Function, Camus_Function, Navarre_Function, and everyone's favorite: Waifu_Function.

>>383815496
How do I get the non-memehouse translation?

>>383841187
By using the translation patch. You don't have to deal with treehouse's horrible attempts at humor, but the story will still be dogshit.