>not even near max level yet in FFXIV >already have enough

Drop the money on a MMO mouse for one handed play. The WoW and WoWclone genre are defined by ability bloat.

>>383805965

You are the kind of person who caused the devs to ruin half the jobs in the game for Stormblood in the name of "raising the skill floor" and "cutting down button bloat", which translate to casualizing the fuck out of everything. Get out of my game.

>>383806252
What's so fun about having 80 icons on your hotbars?

>>383805965
they literally removed the bloat

at this point consider suicide so we dont ever have to see your dumbass posts again

>>383806287
whats so fun about being bad at everything and having your disappointed fucking mother change your 40 year old diaper you smelly fat sack of fucking garbage, what fucking good are you

>>383806326
If they removed the bloat how come you still fill more bars than you can assign shortcuts to?

>>383806410
post your hotbars or get the fuck out you god damn jit

>>383806287

Good point, why don't we just have one button that says "Win", and you press it over and over to win

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>go into Royal Menagerie for fun and second chance points
>all seven other players are new to the fight
>they all came in blind
>mfw teaching them the mechanics and watching them all improve until they manage to flawlessly clear

>>383805965
>implying you need half of them

>single target rotation
>aoe rotation
>some off gcd skills

>>383805965
swtor had the worst fucking bloat. Dozens of abilities with long cooldowns and no distinct characteristics. As much shit as wow got for pruning, at least each ability feels like it has a place in your playstyle.

>>383806490
>only get 1 comm

>>383806708
No comms, they wiped until the timer ran out but the final DF run was a 20% wipe, so I convinced them to join a cross-world PF to help them clear. They nailed it first pull of the new instance.

They should make it so certain combo actions only show up depending on what skills you did beforehand

>>383806490
What is there to teach? Menagerie has no mechanics that aren't used repeatedly in earlier encounters throughout the story, except for maybe tidal wave, which happens once right at the very start and takes only one try to see what it does to "learn" it.

Rest is just understanding what the meteor marker means, dodging telegraphed aoes, killing adds, and stacking on the stack marker. People overstate Shinryu's difficulty so much. He is fucking easy, the difference is that unlike most story content, he'll kill you for repeatedly fucking up his simple mechanics. When combined with the fact that 95% of the playerbase is stupider than a catatonic gibbon, you get frequent situations where EVERYONE fucks up the simple mechanics and causes continuous wipes.

>>383806287
you don't need them all though

>>383807147
Well if you don't need some of them, why even have them?

>>383807208
you use them at lower levels before you have the better ones

>>383807147
each skill has its use, there are like maybe 6 skills in this game that are pretty useless.
Bind them, get an mmo mouse, actually learn how to be a good player instead of looking to be carried. Also try pvp, you have like 3-5 buttons.

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>>383806287
MMO babies prefer having a trillion buttons that do everything for them and actively prevent the genre from evolving into a more engaging and skillbased gameplay experience.

>>383807527
look at all dem leylines

>>383805965
What the fuck do you play? SCH? I never had that issue with any class, three bars are more than enough. Also maybe 10-20 of those skills were used regularly, tops. Everything else is cooldowns or situational.

>>383805965
hang yourself casual shitter

>>383806287
Go play GW2.

>>383807527
no MMO has ever had "skillbased" gameplay. it all boils down to following cookie cutter builds and obtaining carrot on a stick gear to have higher stats than the chucklefuck next to you. always has been since MMOs were MUDs.

>>383807527

What exactly is wrong about this video? There's tons of shit going on and it looks frantic and skillful. Is it too much for you to understand? Just like having a lot of buttons confuses your tiny brain?

No job has more than 32 actions, most have less. You might also include Sprint, LB, and a potion, so 35 . Anything else is superfluous. You can probably leave at least a few of those unbound and just click them because of how infrequently they are used.

Then again I play on gamepad which is easy.

>>383807815
Crossbars are too good. Can't go back to mouse and keyboard after getting used to it.

>>383807750

Is that why only 5% of the FF14 players manage to clear hardcore raids even when they are massively overgeared so they have double the intended HP stats for the fights?

>>383805965

Just go Dragoon, you only have a 4 button combo and it does a lot of damage.

>>383808112
there's two 5 button combos

>>383807527
Only thing going on here out of the ordinary is that there's just a lot of players. Things always look hectic with a huge amount of players.

>>383808075
Not sure what that has to do with my post. The hardest part of any MMO raiding is finding people, not doing the actual mechanics.

>>383808075
Hey, some of us just can't divide our attention between like 6 mechanics and perform our skill rotations at the same time

>>383808218
Not that guy but I turned off party effects when I got to Sastasha for the first time. Even with 4 people it's such a clusterfuck of effects that you can barely see the mob you're attacking.

>>383808226
in ffxiv it's piss easy finding people at the same skill level as you

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>>383805965
>>already have enough buttons to fill three hotbars

>>383806252

Honestly WoW rotations/priority systems are a lot more confusing than the XIV way of doing things. Yeah it's a lot of buttons but pressing a bunch of buttons in order isn't too hard to get the hang of with a bit of practice.

On the other hand WoWs system maybe requires a bit less dexterity but it's harder to wrap your head around with all the buff management and resource systems. It also feels a lot more punishing if you fuck up.

On top of all that you also have the fact that your priorities change when you get new legendaries, trinkets, tier sets and that some classes play drastically different depending on situation and talent choice. WoW is clearly the more complicated game.

>>383805965
that's a lie

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>>383807527
MMO """""gameplay""""" is fun with friends.

>>383808381
Finding someone at the same item level as you sure, it's easy. But finding someone who has the same competency level, shares the same open schedule as you, and isn't a toxic faggot is a whole other story and all those things affect raid progression more than the actual boss mechanics. Any fucker can watch a video and grind their gear and say they know their stuff, but it takes a special kind of person to actually do the stuff and clear on time.

You can even macro skills together OP. It's not hard. I have all my shared defiance and deliverance CD's on the same buttons and the button does whichever skill is attached to whatever stance i have on.

>>383807750
I never said any MMO has ever been skillbased. I mostly just came here to tell OP to drop the genre if he doesn't like automated gameplay and a trillion icons cluttering his screen. The fanbase won't allow this genre to evolve past its archaic origins for years to come.
>>383807761
>everyone standing still spamming skills at a giant, stationary monster that occasionally tosses out an AOE attack
>skillful

It doesn't matter how shallow something truly is as long as it's flashy enough, eh?

>>383806252
>>383806326
>>383806394
>>383806484
>>383806592
>>383807527
>>383807750
>>383808212
>>383808112
>>383808507


>LE SO MANY BUTTONS
>I PRESS LE 11 BUTTANS 4 MY DEEP AND COMPLEX AND EXRTEEMELY HARD TO EXECUTE AND FIGURE OUT ROTATION GUISE IM NOT A BRAINLET
>meanwhile there are literally braindead people and autistic manchildren that somehow managed to learn where every key is on their fucking keyboard but "learnign" an 11 button rotation on FFXIV is somehow extremely complex to figure out and to execute when there is only one specific fucking order for it lmfao

>>383806252
>ruin half the jobs
>literally only SMN and SCH got simplified
>BRD is somehow a bigger clusterfuck than before
SCHucks are at it with their "everybody is affected" game again. How do we stop them?

>>383806287
Nothing. They are there to look tacticool while half of them do the same shit. A buff. Another buff. Another buff. A dot. Another dot. Another dot. A potency skill. You get the idea. It's fucking hilarious how a fighting game with 4 button is infinitely more skill-based than this skill tray bloatfest.

>>383805965
how about you stop being a shitter and get good?
01=1
02=2
03=3
04=4
05=5
06=shift+1
07=shift+2
08=shift+3
09=shift+4
10=q
11=e
12=r
13=t
14=f
15=g
16=z
17=x
18=c
19=v
20=shift+q
21=shift+e
22=shift+r
23=shift+t
24=shift+f
25=shift+g
26=shift+x
27=shift+c
28=shift+v
there accessible hotkeys for days potentially even another four if your mouse has forward/backwards buttons

>>383808642
>not turning down other people's effects to limited or off

>>383808689
That's a rare spawn field boss that is balanced for two or three parties and mostly meant as a handout for collectable items. The actually challenging bosses are in the actual content, not the overworld.

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>2.5s GCD
how do people like this slow trash game? it's much slower than WoW and other MMOs. like god damn falling asleep at my keyboard while playing zzz

all this talk is great and all but what do ps4 players do about it?

>>383806484
why don't we have a different button assigned to each and every muscle to move and fight

>>383808860

Anon wouldn't it be better if they just set up the combos as a single button push? Aka a macro style but the user doesn't have to learn how to apply macros themselves? What's wrong with accessibility, it could even improve sales for people that are having issues trying to remember combos.

>>383809067
they get gud. if japanese casual console players can beat the hardest raids on a controller and have higher clear rates than ameircans/yuropoors, I don't see why westerners can't adapt.

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>>383805965
Are you kidding me? FFXIV of all MMO's is the most reasonable given its long GCD, Is it really that complicated to weave instants inbetween GCD's?

Even dragoons fuck-retarded rotation isnt that hard

>Start with Damage Buff
>Bleed Combo
>Weave DPS Buff + BotD
>Damage Combo
>Weave Jumps + Mirage Dive + Geirskogul/Nastrond
>Damage Combo
>Keep up BotD with Fang/Wheeling.

>RINSE AND REPEAT

Its literally just 2 combos while weaving everything else . How much simpler can it get.

I can't wait for them to add the PvP hotbar option to PvE, There is no reason to have 5 or 6 different buttons for a couple different combos when i can hit the same button a few times and achieve the same thing. I've got arthritis in my hands so having to move my fingers over the entire keyboard gets painful after awhile.

>>383809337
What's even more hilarious is that MMOs like WoW are unknown to Japanese people and they still have higher clear rates than "MMO vets" with over a decade of MMO experience.

>>383809373
that's too complex for the average mmo player

>>383805965
>WoW had that issue too
You are a fucking faggot and I really wish people like you would leave MMOs alone forever.

This Larryzaur guy is an unfunny fuck, but it's good to see at least one guy having fun with SMN in its current state.
I just hope eventually all jobs will be satisfied.

>>383809431
Higher clear rates in XIV, which is a meaningless argument since XIV is tuned around console players if the 8-man party size wasn't obvious enough.

is there anyone here who doesnt like ffxiv and isnt a burger huffing rascal riding fat fucking yank?

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>>383808642
Fuck I actually miss FATE parties. POTD spam is faster, sure, but not as fun as being at least tangentially connected to your community, and seeing people you've befriended grinding it out with you. Did SE ever increase the amount of EXP for FATEs for Stormblood?

>>383809628
What I'm saying is that Japanese people that never played a MMO before or even parse are getting faster and better parses than westerners that actually try.

>>383807527
Better than whatever the fuck kind of pikmin shit this is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oLRjINaiOs

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>>383809054
That rotation

>>383809780
holy fuck did I enter a mcplayplace ? those fucking voices man

>>383809654
Fates randomly get exp bonuses now which gives +100% exp. There's also a chance for a special add to show up during a Fate, if you kill it you get +15% exp for that Fate, and a buff that gives you +50% exp on your next Fate.

So if you have armory bonus, the add buff, and do an exp bonus fate you get triple the normal exp. Which is still only like 3% of a level.

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>>383805965
>only using 3 hotbars

>>383809654
they did, actually. In the new zones you can get exp bonuses when a monster type spawns in a fate, and occasionally fates will start with an exp bonus.

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>>383809054
>lalafells

>>383810064
>opening with Shukuchi
suboptimal

>>383805965
Literally a non-issue when you can program a one-button macro to do maximum DPS

>>383810064
to be fair
ffxiv is noticably slower than wow, but everything you do is actually somewhat complex and has weight to it

I had given WoW and every other MMO a pass for pretty much ever. But I recently decided to try WoW and actually fell asleep. Is actual sleep-inducing boredom generally what I should expect from the genre?

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How did GW1 perfect MMO combat despite having only 8 buttons on your hotbar? Why did they ruin it with 2? Where did it all go wrong?

>>383809739
Taking a quick look at fflogs doesn't support your claim.

looking at Alexander savage only 3 of the top 10 statics in terms of ASP for both speed and execution are Japanese, with the highest at third. On each individual encounter they are only 2-4 spots in the top 10.

>>383809882
Unfortunately catgirls and lalas also sound like this in battle

Shits annoying

>>383806490
>and second chance points
What is this?

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>>383805965
>>already have enough buttons to fill three hotbars
The class with the most abilities in the game has 34. Three hot bars is 36. Most have massive holes in their hotbars since 4.0.

>>383810226
yes

>>383810287
fflogs is shit because parses there are inaccurately skewered and japanese people don't even use that website.

>>383810313
Wondrous Tails, it lets you shuffle your bingo board to give you a better chance at cool loot

>>383808965
You apparently haven't even looked at dragoon.

>>383810397
Well then provide some substantiating evidence that's more than "japanese people are just better because I say so". Even if it's on a japanese site you can still compare kill times.

>>383808965
DRG didn't get pruned but it sure as hell got simplified

>>383810256

Only having 8 buttons that you couldn't change on the fly added strategic depth to skill selection. It meant the developers knew they couldn't copy & paste the same skill several times, each becoming incrementally stronger because only the strongest would be used.

It might be overlooked, but this one act was responsible for how well the skills in the game were designed. It forced the developers to be creative.

>get susan normal in roulette
>5 fuckers run away from the stack and I die
>healers pump revive into that SAM who died 4 times but not the BRD (me) or the DRG although we were the best fucking dps in the group
STOP

>>383805965
this game looks like absolute garbage

>>383810459
>WT
Ugh, if they didn't use cat loli bait, no one would do nu-relic grind.

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two point five seconds global cooldown
40+ buttons to assign on a hotbar
worst mmo ever

>>383808965
MMOs are designed for PC where users have keyboards with a large number of buttons and mice that are poor for directional inputs and fighting games are designed for cabinets and controllers with a limited number of buttons and joysticks and d-pads that allow precision directional inputs so they use direction and button combos for a similar number of total inputs and you are a faggot

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>>383810561
>the developers knew they couldn't copy & paste the same skill several times
even though they did that anyway here and there

>>383805965
Pretty solid bait, 7/10

>>383810636
It's super easy and the rewards are actually worth it most of the time. Hell you can solo half the stuff in each book she gives you since unsynced counts towards completion.

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>>383805965
>consider getting into FFXIV
>look at the race selection
>immediately turned off
Why are Japs so boring

>>383809007
>q and e for skills
they're for strafing

>>383810657
stop posting this shitty bait
and what the fuck is that opener

>>383810759
if you want to be a furry, go play WoW.

>>383810636
WT isn't tied to the relic at all though

>>383810759
whatever furry

>>383810762
Strafe is obsolete

>>383810394
Nin has 38 skills, counting role actions.

>>383810762
>needing q and e for strafing
are fucking kidding me?

>>383810873
you might be retarded

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>>383810762
>they're for strafing
waste of hotbar space, I bet you also use S to backpedal you casual.

>>383810762
>strafing
>in a game that auto-points you at the enemy you're attacking
>or where you don't even need to be facing the enemy for the attack to go off in some cases

>>383810064

The fact that this is a slow motion video and an incompetent player aside, if you don't think this looks more fun and interesting and well-animated than WoW you are a retard.

>>383810226
maybe you dont like mmos.
mmorpgs click really well with some people, the idea of gradually getting better and upgrading is really appealing.
I know grind isnt the most enjoyable thing but eventually you get to raid with some cool people and over come more challenges.

you're going to be my diary for a bit so bear with me.
I was jumping fcs all the time looking for the right raid environment, thats all I wanted. eventually I decided to take a shot with these 4 randos who werent even a static. We picked up people along the way and eventually had a full static. I gotta say, my best video game experiences have been raiding with these people. Getting in a group and progressing while handing out pointers,laughing at mistakes and general wtf moments, fuck its nice. I remember when we cleared a12s without echo, we got a whole bunch of messages from other statics congratulating us. I know it seems kinda gay and you could argue a12s isnt that hard but we got the challenge out of it and had a blast doing it.

anyways if that doesnt sound fun to you, then try another genre.

>>383810886
On different buttons?

>>383810693

Sure, but it wasn't as prevalent as in other games and even then skills that looked the same still felt different.

A good example is DotA. Everyone in it gets 4 abilities, and though some get very similar abilities, they have a lot of small differences that make the end result very different.
A good example is Lion and Lina. Both have a point and click ability that does high damage. But they both have different casting times, after use delays, ranges, cooldowns and mana costs. These are all small things that most MMO developers just do not account for these days, but can make a skill feel totally different.

>>383810913
Auto attack, block, and parry no longer consider the direction the character is facing.

>>383810789
>>383810848
That doesn't even make sense when there are furry races like Miqo'te and Au Ra.

>>383810954
anon is there a single job in the game that has skills sharing buttons in PvE

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>>383811054
ffxiv "furry" races are at 10%
wow races are at 70-100%
read the chart

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>>383810571
This. From a distance it looks alright, but in cutscenes and stuff the camera always zooms in revealing shit texturework

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>>383805965

GW1 perfected this, it was functional yet very versatile

>dps is the most enjoyable role in the game
>everyone wants to play it
>30 minute queus because of it
>tanking just isn't as exciting or engaging as other games
>finally give healing a try
>it's just as boring as tanking
no wonder dps queues are so long

at this point I'm basically ready to quit the game because I would need a 2nd game to play on another screen while waiting for my invites to pop

>>383810561
>>383810693

Almost no skills in FF14 were obsoleted by other skills before Stormblood, 90% of each job's abilities were still relevant at endgame.

Stormblood changed it so some skills do the same things as other skills and those skills replace eachother as you level up. Still, the same point remains - almost everything on your hotbar in FF14 is useful. Which means the skill ceiling is a shitton higher than in a game with 8 buttons.

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I'm just tired of the same old tab target 100 button holy trinity MMO, feel like I grew out of it.

GW2 was fun, but only up until I hit max level. Then there is pretty much nothing to do.

I don't even know man.

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>>383810848
>>383810789
>faggots always respond back with furry when someone is against uninspired races
like clockwork

Is it so hard for them to make a good looking race? Their worst offender is the down syndrome looking asians known as Au Ra.

>>383811119
>furfags still in denial

>>383811116
...is that a serious question?

NIN's entire mudra system and SAM's entire Iaijitsu system work on that basis. WAR fucking finally toggles actions based on stance.

>>383811054
XIV plays it super safe with the races. With the exception of potatoes they are all essentially humanoids with some minor racial features.

>>383811119
Nice try furry but you aren't fooling anyone.

>>383805965
You're not actually supped to use every single ability bro.

Work out a rotation that works for you and cut abilities that don't work out.

>>383811248
I play XIV and totally agree with you, the races are rather lame.
Pretty much every other MMO I've played had at least one or two more interesting races.

>>383811150
you could always make friends or acquantainces in a mmo.

literally all I do is ask someone in novice network chat "hey guys anyone wanna do X roulette?" within 1 minute I get a reply from a tank or healer which makes my queues go by instantly.

>>383810205
>everytyhing you do is somehwat complex
>pressing 10 buttons in the same specific fucking order is somehwat complex

I think if you attempted to play a dps class in wow you would probably quti the instant you hit level 30

>>383811248
Ok furry, you won't get your satisfaction here. Go plague some other game
Au Ra was good and there's nothing you can do about it

>>383811171

Last time I played it, admittedly a long time ago I had a fair few abilities but none were worth using.

I forget the names but I was a black mage(I think) and I'd use lightning, fire, fire, fire, switch, ice until my mana regenerated, switch and then fire, fire, fire again. If I got a proc of lightning or it ran out I'd reuse it.

I had lots of other abilities but most were not worth using or too situational to bother with.

>>383811368
>literally all I do is ask someone in novice network chat "hey guys anyone wanna do X roulette?"
How do I get in there?

>>383811171
Quick anon name one time you used Feint

>>383810657

That looks extremely fluid and fun. I bet you are some kind of complete and utter retard who prefers your character to be constantly spazzing out doing 5 attacks per second with no animated transitions between them so it looks fucking disgusting while you're frantically mashing the same button over and over .

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In FFXI you have like 300 spells and abilities to manage at once, stop bitching

paladin has like 15 different skills that are all cooldowns to make him more tanky
why does it need so many?

>>383805965
>using m+k
>not god tier controller
Honestly, I don't know how PCFats do it.

>>383811150
If you found tanking boring it's because you were probably just sitting in tank stance. The fun part about being a tank is learning the fights and figuring what do to and when. Nothing feels better than throwing out perfect mitigation, barely being in tank stance and out damaging the dps.

>>383811315
>>383811356
>kemonomimi is furry
newfag alert

>>383811405
yeah, not like quitting at level 110 like you did because there's six months of artifact grinding between real content

>>383811405
yeah because it's fucking braindead easy
i haven't played since mop so maybe they changed specs to be somewhat hard to play now? i don't know

>>383811537
Yeah and you would cast maybe 15 spells a minute on a good day.

>>383811595
>If you found tanking boring it's because you were probably just sitting in tank stance.
no I wasn't and it was still boring

stance dancing was easy as fuck to do in ARR and HW

>>383811248
>I dont masturbate tho this shit I swear

>>383811523
pvp

also that one time in a dungeon where the slow effect would slow down the cast time for the enemy which gave the healer more time to dps

>>383811417
>Au Ra was good and there's nothing you can do about it
You aren't fooling anyone furry

>>383811535
pretty sure anon was taking the piss

>>383811595
>go out of tank stance
>shitty healer that is already bad can't keep up with the healing

>>383810762

Look at the retard, point at him and laugh

I bet you don't even use Legacy movement controls.

>>383806252
the game was casualized way before the newest expansion...

>>383811646
now do it in stormblood

>>383811449
ask a mentor on your server

>>383811248
>why are you calling me furry? this is really about uninspired races! i swear!
>proceeds to post a disgusting bara fur pic
kys

>>383811646
Ah, so you're just a butthurt WAR who switched to dps, you deserve shitty queues.

>>383811682
My Au Ra is so human it makes the "m-muh scaly succubus" shitters foam at mouth

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>>383810762
>>q and e for skills
>they're for strafing

>>383810921

You are as retarded as him though because you are using a movement system where backpedaling even exists. Enjoy tanking the floor because you have to turn the camera to run backwards.

>>383811817
>he doesn't strafe
way to spot the casual controller baby shitter

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>>383810762

>>383810762
>q and e for strafing
>not a and d for for strafing

Fucking christ, at least the console kiddies don't have a choice but good job outing yourself as a keyboard turner.

>>383811730
that's the learning portion of it, if you're dropping tank stance in a pug group you better be properly mitigating.

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>>383811364
Same, I've been playing for almost 2 years. If my friend hadn't pushed me to try out this game, I would have never played it.
>>383811417
>>383811789
kys faggots
>>383811653
Who said I didn't lmao

what people don't realize is that the mmos that have actual furry races usually have less clothing options and the graphics are worse so there's less effort to create stuff.

>>383811864
that's what A and D is for retard
alot more ergonomic

>>383811807
>Ah, so you're just a butthurt WAR who switched to dps
none of the tanks is more complicated than the others

>>383811432

>I was a terrible player who had no idea what I was doing, so the other abilities are definitely useless!

To be fair, BLM had the most obsoleted skills of any job, but it was still never nearly as bad as you describe it.

>>383810759
To be fair 99% of FF races are just humans in costume.

>>383811862
>he can't get gud in a 100% scripted game
go back to playing league of legends kid

>>383806252
>my game

it's obviously not your game since you no creative control over it.

>>383812036
BLM skill came from knowing the fights and positioning yourself correctly for turret mode anyways

If there is one thing GW2 did that every other MMO should learn from, it's jumping puzzles

>>383811864
You use A and D....

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>>383811590
I'm done with mouse since it's an ergonomics shitfest that is guaranteed to give you carpal tunnel. I only use that fucker for fps games anymore.
On a cuntroller I have access to 48 buttons without having to switch hotbars, it takes time to get used to but it's pretty fucking legit.

>>383812309
now
post your actual dps instead of your dps compared to retards

>>383811981
Except that's wrong in regards to ARR, HW and SB.

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>>383812192
kugane tower was just the first tier. get ready for more in eureka. secret boss is at the top of the next tower.

>>383810762
Really? You can save a lot of space by just holding the right mouse button then pressing A or D

>>383812426
It's 4.1k
The rest of them were retards using [any control scheme] and I took a shit on them. That's enough to prove a point.

>>383812594
>It's 4.1k

Post your parse.

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>>383812594
>4.1k using a controller
meanwhile on keyboard+mouse

>>383812496
the difference is negligible when comparing tanks to dps, it's so miniscule

>>383807080
>implying these people don't have the memory of a goldfish

Is Dark Knight fun? Be honest.
I want to use big swords.

>>383812594
depends on job if that is good or not
but yes, i do think that it's fine to play on a controller

>>383812673
>I did 5.5k with a NIN and an AST glued firmly to my asshole
>aren't I amazing

>>383812759
Yes, it feels a bit clunk until 70 but then it feels fantastic.

>>383812673
>Bitching about DPS
>Playing SAM

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Is the director and producer of FFXIV correct designing his MMO like this? What does /v/ think about his opinion?

>>383812812
i'm pretty sure you can only go above 5k in a dungeon pull

>>383812927
wtf i love my family now

>>383812927
>literally making the game a "do your daily and go do something else" on PURPOSE

Why am I wasting my time with this shit game ffs

>>383812927
I agree with him, WoW currently needs you to become overly addictive to be viable, where in 14 you can do your daily expert, farm some exPrimals and have 80-90% the stats of a hardcore raider.

>>383812927
What he's saying doesn't match his product at all what the fuck.

>>383805965
Reminds me when in Burning Crusade the hunter could maximize his dps with one button press running a macro

>>383813057
he flat out says that you should stop treating FFXIV like a poopsock MMO like FFXI and start treating it like a JRPG with multiplayer co-op. once you run out of content in a JRPG, you quit or do NG+ (start a new job)

>>383813162
But that sounds awful.
I should go play a real MMO, not this.

>>383809654
I got burned out on Fate parties, even before I played XIV, because of Guild Wars 2.

>>383812927
There is kind of a good point here. I never got super unto WoW but some of my friends did and their raiding schedules were like a second job. I understand that this is a small portion of players but MMOs definitely need to take into account that the majority of players don't have the time to play for 8 hours every day.

There has to be some kind of balance between the players who play all day and the ones who can only put in one or two hours a day.

>>383813226
so what you want is a MMO like WoW where you must play nonstop to stay viable. even quitting for a month means you're severely behind on AP, legendaries, and loot.

>>383813258
Too bad FFXIV has nothing to offer to people who want to put in a bit of extra time
You do your one weekly thing and that's it. Rest of the time you can ERP if you want, nothing else to do.

>>383813336
What I want is an MMO where I can progress in some way, achieve something or do ANYTHING that is some use to me after doing the daily/weekly.

If I want to log in for 2 or 3 hours and solo some elite mobs to maybe get cool drops or money, I should be able to do that.

>>383813343
you could level multiple jobs, you could pvp, you could earn gil and sell it for real cash like rich crafters do.

>>383813110
how does it not? You can quit for months and get right back to endgame-level gear in a couple weeks no problem.

>RDM is so fucking overpowered in solo content that you can farm the 2.0 EX Primals for Ponies/Glamor

Well, not Ultima Weapon. For some reason that fight is seemingly too much even though you can solo Shiva EX, Odin and Ramuh EX. You get 5 stacks way too quickly.

>>383812927
He's right, but I don't have anything else to do.

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>>383813450
>tfw I can finally relive the glory days of RDM solo in XI

>>383813402
see
>>383813416

you can also hunt if what you say is true that you want to log in for 2 or 3 hours and solo some elite mobs to maybe get cool drops

Anyone tried BDO?

>>383813226
how exactly does that sound awful? poopsock MMOs are fucking terrible. do you want to go back to the days of phantasy star online where your drop rate was determined by your character name and you had a 1% chance to obtain a item that you NEEDED

>>383813719
yes

it's trash

I swear I had longer fingers when I played WoW ten years ago or something. I remember having basic attacks on the 7 and 9 keys, but today I rebind any keys past 5 now, like rebinding DOOM weapons to RFCTGV

>>383812681
600 dps as well as saving GCDs for other classes is minuscule?

>>383813719
like all korean mmos, it has a good character creator but trash everything else. if you pay a penny for BDO, you got ripped off. the game is f2p in multiple countries.

>>383813750
>your drop rate was determined by your character name
that sounds hilarious

>>383813835
Tera is Korean and I really enjoyed that for a good while.
Soloing BAMs as a slayer was some of the best fun I had in MMOs combat gameplay wise.

>>383812504
>RuneScape Agility training.gif

>>383813904
I played it as well, and while the gameplay is fun the rest of the game is a barren wasteland.

>>383805965
Bind R, T, F, G, Z, X, C, §, < and F1 - F5 to your hotbar.
Q and E too if you're using legacy movement.
You don't have to use shift or alt for any slot if you don't want to

>>383813904
Tera has good solo combat but it absolutely falls apart balance wise and game engine optimization wise as soon as you introduce it to the "MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER" element.

>>383805965
>not even near max level yet in FFXIV
>already have enough buttons to fill three hotbars

Calling BS desu

>>383814023
Eh, I liked the environments and world, they were quite beautiful.
And ganking people that were just doing quests is always fun.

>>383814125
probably playing BRD

>>383812927
he's 100% correct. fuck NEETs

>>383814208
>I'm glad that there is no reason to log into this game after doing your weekly

>>383814125
Depends if they're keeping everything on their hotbar. Imagine a SMN willingly having Tri-Bind on their hotbar.

I imagine it's a case of still have run, auto attack, return, teleport and even dumb bullshit like Dye on your hotbar.

>>383805965
If OP is still here, post your bars. You shouldnt really ever have that many buttons so we can probably cut out some of them for you if you want

>>383813792
the difference in skill requirement to get the max out of those classes

not in terms of numbers

>>383814135
Don't get me wrong, the areas were great, but endgame was non existent.

>>383814267
post your in-game /playtime right now
count how many hours you played this JRPG

>>383814207
I didn't know this was an L O L thread!

>>383814267
Yes, not having to do a lot of grinding to keep up is a good thing.
I also like how I can take long breaks to play other games and won't have much trouble catching up

>>383805965
use Shift+#, ALT+#, CTRL+#
I also use S+QWER and ALT+QWER

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>>383812927
Just an excuse for lack of content

>>383814207
>WAR
>being reasonable
how to tell this was made by a WARfag

>>383814440
>I really enjoy the idea of paying 10 bucks a month for a game that only has me log into it once a week, this is great, now I have so much time to play other games!

>>383814484
it's physically impossible to create content faster than your players can clear it. that's the themepark MMO genre for you. think rationally for a second.

>>383814207
the WAR is right though
people have no idea how good it is to have 100 more dps in a raid group as long as it doesn't fuck other peoples dps over

>>383814173
nuBRD is fucking insane, somehow it's even harder to bind than before

also how the frick do I even AoE pulls as BRD now?
foe's requiem
stick dots on a couple enemies
mage's ballad
quick nock and rain of death on proc
blow barrage + empy and sidewinder since why not
???

>>383814543
Most MMOs have things other than raids with lockouts that you can do.

>>383806820
It was the BRD

>>383814512
>beat Heavensward
>quit for 2 years because busy with school, work, life, other games, etc
>come back
>have over 100+ hours of content to do
>only for $10

whats the problem exactly?

>>383814625
so does FFXIV

Why do people say playing on controller is hard?

the hotbar is easy as piss and no faffy with a bunch of different hotkeys and muscle memory is great.

>>383814512
No, fuck the monthly fee.
I keep myself unsubscribed for several months after playing for a few

>>383814643
>stormblood appeared for free

>>383814625
name 5

>>383805965
Guild Wars 2 is probably more your speed

>>383814701
Because they've never tried it before or want to talk shit about gamepad because muh mustard rice

>>383814735
I'm not even including stormblood that's the thing. 3.1 to 3.55 story, trying to gear up, primals, dungeons, alexander, mhach raids, side content, etc all kept me busy

>>383814735
He probably just means all the post-3.0 stuff, like everything between HW and SB. A full two years of patch content is pretty meaty.

>>383814701
They don't play on controller and go entirely off the fact that tanks seem to suck when they're on controller for some reason
If a gigantoad's playing old MCH on a controller with his feet then there's no problem with it. Don't forget the gook multiboxing 4 characters with 4 controllers as well.

>>383814587
pretty much that, also it was pretty easy for me to rebind everything for stormblood
song order for aoe: mage > paeon > wanderers
>>383814173
bard has less buttons now

>>383814803
If they hadn't done that whole "at max level all weapons have the same stats, give or take 1% at best" GW2 could've been so good.

I thoroughly enjoyed leveling from 1 to max in guild wars 2. Loved the jump puzzles, vista points, classes and everything. It was great.

>one hotbar is 1 to =
>second hotbar uses crtl and 1 to =
>third is alt and 1 to =
>have two buttons on my mouse set to the modifiers
That's 36 keys all in easy access. Get fucking good.

>>383814207
Comic title: Things that have never happened.

>>383815017
>man I really love pressing ctrl + 8 that's so comfy

>>383814970
I personally couldn't stand the game.
If FFXIV is 8/10 for me, GW2 was 2/10

>>383814296
Except you're also wrong there. not only is the a noticeable dps gap between even good players there is also a large gap in proper timing a skill usage. Then again you probably just use all your skills for only personal mitigation.

>>383814708
this. I don't get the autism that /v/ has where you MUST subscribe to a MMO every month. Do the fucking content that's relevant to you, quit, come back when they add more shit. You must have brain damage if you keep paying for shit you have nothing to do.

>>383815164
Or I could just play MMOs that actually have content and don't use "d-didn't want people to play for more than a few hours each week a-anyway..." as an excuse for their lazyness and shit game design.

FFXIV is SO shit the weapons don't even have any interesting effects or procs or anything on them, ever. Every piece of gear is just a stat stick.

>>383809502
I'm having fun with it, it feels like an actual summoner job now. Just that my DPS is dogshit.

>>383815264
>I could just play MMOs that actually have content
you mean none since you didn't even specify

>>383812080

Said the idiot who obviously has never touched hardcore content in FF14.

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>after over 15 different pf parties I still haven't cleared Susano Extreme
>get self conscious thinking It's my fault these parties are failing
>dps is at a constant 3.6k to 3.9k, I never die from mechanics pointed at me, and never sabotage the party
>get tired and do Lakshimi once
>clear on first try
>go back to Susano after farming Lakshimi for accessories
>new party wipes
>get called out by tank for messing up the tank switch even though I was 4th on aggro list


I'm starting to get sick of this game.
Guess I'll level FSH to try out spear fishing

>>383810657
Do you even know what you're doing?

>>383815317
If someone is wrong why care about what they say.

>>383815069
I told you, I have a button on my mouse for crtl. Use shift or something, I don't care.

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>>383815358
Being a memester lala.

>>383815468
these openers are fucking shit
stop

>>383815264
so go play those MMOs you dare not name

>>383815069
(Right ctrl)+8

actually you can do left ctrl and alt up to 5 then right ctrl and alt 6 to 0

I know tenacity is shit for dealing damage, but how much does it mitigate?

>>383815417
Because after 16 different instances of the same shit and over 30 wipes to the same dead brain boss.
It starts to wear down on you.

>>383810762
Man everyone is making fun of this dude for strafing with Q and E but when you've done it for 3k+ hours it's really hard to change.

>I've adapted to the new bard but I don't like having to sing because it's something extra to do.

Fucking person in my FC, you were shit at bard in 2.0, you were super shit in 3.0 with it being bard mage and cried so hard, now it's back to 2.0 and you're crying cause you have to sing songs constantly instead of a toggle for foe occasionally.

>>383815317
Susano is harder for people because you have to move around and stuff. :^) If you have friends, I'd try with them instead.

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>61 hours of fetchquesting
When does the content get fun? I hear people saying they've had fun with the game since they started. HOW?

>>383815468
cool fedora and trenchcoat.

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>>383815525
what's wrong anon? this is actual ffxiv endgame gameplay.

>>383815823
The game is less fun once you've reached max level and done all content once.

The fun is meant to be the journey, not the destination.

>>383805965
>already have enough buttons to fill three hotbars
>will get many more
How the actual fuck did you manage to do that?
Even at 70, no job has enough abilities/role actions to fill up 3 goddamn cunting hotbars. Including buttons for LB and other shit.

Are you just slapping Potions and item loot onto your hotbars so you can shitpost?

>>383815823
it REALLY depends on the class you start with, since most of the starter classes are less than fun before you reach higher levels

Don't most MMO babies use macros anyway?
If you don't even activate all of your abilities individually, what point is there to having them be separate?

>>383816072
you're lying hard, pretty much every job has more buttons than 3 hotbars would have space for
and yes that includes sprint, teleport and 1 potion

>>383816120
you can't macro your combos because of the GCD and how action queueing works

>>383816120
using macros for combat in FFXIV is fucking awful. there's a built in delay to discourage it, some classes are based on priority based system instead of rotations so you would be fucking up big time.

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>>383816120
>using macros
Nobody does that unless they intentionally want to do pre-hw dps.

>>383815110
>noticeable dps gap between even good players
yes, 1-2-3 is so utterly complicated on tanks. But it's quite telling you find this a challenge.

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>>383815978
>People had fun travelling from one side of the map to gather flowers just to return to the other side of the map to deliver them to generic npc #3831
I don't think this game is for me

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The real FFXIV is on the market board.

>>383815823
MSQ never gets fun, dungeons never get fun (although they do get quite a bit more challenging at levels 50 and up, with all dodging and mechanics required), leveling never gets fun, endless dungeon is a form of torture, PVP is absolute garbage.

I had a ton of fun leveling crafters.

>>383816278
You dont 1 2 3 on tanks unless you're retarded.

>>383815823
it doesn't

>>383816325
Grinding culinarian isn't fun though

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>>383816316
I can't even have fun reminiscing on it because they got sloppy on the journal info.

>>383815823
I was in your shoes once. Game definitely has "it gets better after 100 hours" syndrome. It starts slow but eventually it picks up. I found the game getting good around the end of ARR and when HW was starting.

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>>383816276
This one allows me to use one button for both Life surge and Full Thrust. No DPS loss.

>>383816419
>buy ingridients
>prepare macro
>press button
>walk away
>come back to two level ups

so hard

>>383816325
Teach me how to play the market board anon.

>>383815820
please delete this

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>>383816571
>clicking on skills with your mouse
you're the reason why we can't skip soar

Runescape doesn't do it, even runescape 3 with EOC doesn't do it.

>>383816571
>dragooncucks have this few buttons

this is unfair

how can I level crafted 60+ if only gear I have is the starter level 60 gear from 3.0 that was available on all crafter classes, I don't have ironworks

>>383814954
Hawk's Eye, Flaming Arrow, Blunt Arrow, Wide Volley gone, you gain Pitch Perfect and the lv60-70 skills, so it's -3 (since nobody uses Wide Volley anyway) +4 = +1

So Bard actually has more button in quantity alone, and even more when you consider how frequently you have to press them since songs are now part of your rotation and Raging Strikes has a much shorter cd than before. I've never been this tunnel visioned on my hotbar as Bard until 4.0

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>>383816576
I don't do anything complex, just check the history for items that are bought a lot (all listed purcases in last 24 hours) and craft and sell those.

>>383816659
>clicking on skills with your mouse
Why would you think that.

>>383816668
There are some more; I handle by macros, putting multiple skills into same button (sort of how it is now in PVP).

>>383807527
what a fucking mess. Good thing I dropped it after seeing what a mess of a game it was. Nothing will ever top FFXI in terms of party gameplay.

>>383815820
The people I noticed fucking up hard in Susano are controller players. Every PF group I ask what control scheme they use after we wipe and it's always controller. Those players can't turn their camera fast enough with their analog stick to spot the cloud or they are super slow switching to gaol target because they need a KB+M person to mark it.

>>383816571
Dumbest macro ever. You can't specify a non-integer wait time, it'll just default to 1 second. Not to mention that macros cannot be queued, so you basically have to spam this until it goes off.

>>383816571
>keeping teleport/aether compass/emotes/etc on your hotbars

no wonder you don't have room for skills.

>>383816859
how do I know what items are bought a lot? is it the ones that have the heart symbol?

>>383816841
there's nothing wrong with having to use alot of skills constantly during combat

>>383816957
>super slow switching to gaol target because they need a KB+M person to mark it.
lel it's always the last one on the enmity list

>>383816892
FFXI party gameplay was literally press a button and wait for a slow ass animation because of dial up tier netcode. You spend more time chatting than actually playing because of how braindead it was.

>>383816414
None of the tanks have anything but 3 simple rotations of going 1-2-3 or 1-2'-3' or 1-2-3'' or some variation thereof.

Stance dancing is not complicated, stop pretending it is.

This is all there is to tank dps. Try playing a real dps and see what kind of shit you have to put up with.

>>383817028
well i'm not saying there's anything wrong with it but BRD definitely has more buttons than before

>>383817036
sometimes they go in tunnel vision mode because they're too busy looking at their cross bar

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>>383816840
1. get ironworks
2. proceed to craft 60+ stuff

I used to earn a lot selling ironworks ingredients. Now it's all sold for pennies. You should be able to get your set easily.

>>383817025
No, check the history. It involves going through a lot of items manually. But I still like doing that more than doing dungeons.

>tfw MCH

>>383817263
I heard MCH is dead right now, is that true?

>>383817183
Show me the melds.

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>>383815780
It's seriously not when the game has a "legacy movement" option that completely eliminates the need to strafe at all.
Which for some reason only one person in this entire thread has brought up at all. I knew you fags didn't play FFXIV and just jerked off to the potatoes.

That's why Monster Hunter is the best game.

It has more fun gameplay against "bosses" if you will, the monsters, while using practically no buttons yet still giving you quite a variety of moves.

I dream of an MMO that plays like MH

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>>383817325
potatoes are hot when they're steamy.

>>383817414
MMOs are pointless when Dark Souls exists.

>>383816957
>>383817036
As a Controller player I'll tell you why it fucks up with Gaols.

If you simply hit X it'll automatically target whatever is near the center of the camera, doesn't even matter what is closest to you or not, it's pretty fucking stupid.

The easiest way to target yourself is to hit Down on the D-Pad, but you can't target yourself in the Gaol, so hitting Down will target someone else, I think this is what gets people and causes delays, people try to mark themselves and not the Gaol.

A KB+M person can simply click on themselves or the Gaol at the bottom of the enmity list, but a controller person can't even hit X, they need to hit Left/Right on the D-Pad or L1/R1 while holding L2/R2 to switch targets until they find the correct Gaol. And by then it's probably too late unless someone else marked it.

>>383817285
For bad MCHs, yeah. The one in my static keeps at a consistent 3.5k and bursts up to 4k.

>>383817325
why isn't legacy the default, especially now with the change to auto attacks being omni directional

>>383817414
There's already multiple official Monster Hunter MMOs. People fucking hate it because it cranks up the grind 100x worse and the monster AI suffers because of netcode.

>>383817325
Even with Legacy movement on, you still needed to strafe if you played a melee job to keep up auto-attacks on a boss while shifting your position. That didn't change until 3.4

That's a lie though, you don't have nearly enough abilities to fill three hotbars once you hit level cap in FFXIV

>>383816957
those players are retarded. there are a million telegraphs for cloud
- susanoo sticks his hand forward and a bunch of green shit happens
- the cloud appears on the enmity list
- almost 12 seconds later it shits out its aoe
and it's L1+up to get to the correct gaol

in a farm group i was neck to neck with another SAM's dps at the top and both them and the BRD called me out on it

>>383817179
this doesn't make any sense. the kb layout still has hotbars

>>383817503
>needing to mark it at all

it's just the ball and cup game. get better eyesight

>>383817414
Monster Hunter has the worst fucking gameplay.

>>383817036
>it's always the last one on the enmity list

This is not always the case.

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>>383816959
Works for me. If Life surge is ready, it will use it followed by Full Thrust; and followed by Full Thrust as soon as it's possible if I'm spamming.
And if Lie Surge is not ready, if will just use Full Thrust. One button instead of two.

>>383817316
Just some cheap stuff for CP, no overmelding. You can craft anything without any effort as it is right now anyway.

>>383816316

The main story stops having bullshit like that a couple patches into the level 50 quests, around the time you beat Ramuh.

After that it's interesting pretty much the entire time.

Also for the love of sanity spice up your main story grind with some of the great side content, of which a lot is available as soon as the credits roll for the first time(out of five) at level 50. Especially the raids and the Hildibrand storyline are musts.

>>383817672
t. guy who sucks so hard he can only play tab based scrub mmos

>>383817653
I can sometimes do it by sight, but only if I can catch where the marked Gaol went due to the marker following it for half a second.

>>383813402
what you want is Guild Wars 2

>>383817503
Holding L1 and pressing D-Pad Up/Down cycles through the enmity list. You can target the correct jail just with L1+Dpad Up.

>>383817619

No you didn't. There's a target lock hotkey for a reason.

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>>383812927

good job avoiding forcing people to play when sub time is in days and not actual spent logged time

>>383817507
>The one in my static keeps at a consistent 3.5k
That's not good my man.

>>383817718
That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure though, thanks.

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>>383806252
They removed many dots and it is very nice
The changes are good. Maybe not at sub level 40

>>383817807
It's not quite there, but yes gw2 and tera got a bit closer towards good combat than the classic tab combat in games like wow/ffxiv/rift

>>383817823
>using target lock and fucking your freedom of movement just because you didn't want to strafe

>>383817624
If you manage summons you have.

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>>383817017
I'm not the one complaining about lack of space.

>>383817414
Monster Hunter works well as a instanced based game with 4 people, but it completely falls apart as soon as you introduce it as a 100+ player MMO. The monster AI gets stupider due to more players, the grind gets more fucked to keep you playing, and the pre hunt preparation for hunting for materials for items is a absolute bore to the point that people pay for the stuff through a cash shop.