>"At core, unless you have the meaning behind the bl

no because
>game journalism

and this faggot is just gatekeeping. cyberpunk means a million things to a million retards and who cares because it's a shit meme anyway.

>the studio behind The Witcher and upcoming Cyberpunk 2077, “get it”.

Fucking kill me stone dead

>>383792687

Western society is heavily divided by social and economic classes. In cyberpunk, this manifests as a chosen few having access to the best tech while the masses are complacent with flying cars and better medicine, and corporations playing 3D chess against one another in a bid to control the flow of technology because that's what controls the world. Saying it's just about quips completely ignores the significance of how Western, especially American, society writes cyberpunk.

However, I think he's right that the plots of a lot of cyberpunk involve an "everyman" who can take out highly trained soldiers, is a stealth and tactical genius and eventually ends up saving the world or having much more of an impact than he ever could have hoped to have in real life. Basically, as much as cyberpunk is written with the class struggle in mind, it usually just ends up as a revenge fantasy for middle class/liberal authors to unleash their frustrations on capitalism.

>>383793030
What?

>>383793219
This guy GETS IT

>>383792687
I don't know.
First I need to see what he and CD Project have done with Cyberpunk 2077 to make a judgement, but knowing CDPR and how they dumbed down their games for the retarded casual normie cocksucker masses after Witcher 1 I'm sceptical.

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I like the cyberpunk "aesthetic," but every actual story that calls itself cyberpunk is really boring. Cyberpunk people calling something not cyberpunk is a compliment. That's what makes Deus Ex good, it takes the cool aspect of Cyberpunk and takes out of all of the stupid parts in exchange for an actually interesting story.

>>383793441
If C2077 wasn't going to at least hold the values C2020 held surely Pondsmith would have walked, he seems to actually want the game to be similar to his creation and unlike The Witcher games CDPR are able to work with the creator.

>>383793085
This, basically.

Neuromancer was content with the MC being a willing pawn to an AI unshackling itself & - while skilled in his area of expertise - was hardly a Gary Stu capable of killing more than one douchebag. Although he observed class struggle & was arguably involved in it, he certainly wasn't invested in it

>>383793487

"punk" stories all tend to have samey story beats and backstories.

>>383793893
The early noir part of neuromancer is simply great cyberpunk, it feels like a genre shift during the second half.

>>383792864
He's talking about "Cyberpunk", not cyberpunk. Why wouldn't he be the authority on what it means?

>>383793487
I would agree but the amount of "serious" cyberpunk video games is so staggeringly low that it could just be that we haven't seen a serious attempt at it.

>>383792687
I'm not in a position to debate a genre I know nothing about but his views are interesting, he seems like a smart guy and it makes me glad to see CDPR supporting his vision.

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>>383792687
https://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/325383

>7:18

Roles confirmed.

>>383793684
Pondsmith himself said that the game was a literal port of the Pen and Paper RPG with some thing reworked to fit better in a videogame and some thing removed like the "Geology" skill. He said that one of the skill in the game will be the "Fashion" one where you can convince someone easily even when you're in a spacesuit.

So i'm VERY confident in this cyberpunk 2077. I think it's going to be THE game that will blow any bethesda games out of the water and wakes them up cause they got a monopoly on that "You can do everything, open world, crafting, RPG" game.

I am probably going to be btfo'd tho, my standart are way too high.

>>383795146
This. I hope it will be his game, and not CDPR's game.

>Linking rockpapershotgun after That blizzard interview

Please stop.

>>383795191
http://wccftech.com/cyberpunk-2077-journalist-mike-pondsmith/

fuck, i'm so reassured by Mike Pondsmith, the man himself, loving what they did. Like, most of the time the author of X book/movie will just give the license and allow the use of character/story/universe and will forget about it cause they don't care, but i really love those who watch their license very close and will watch over those who exploit it.

>>383793085
>>383793893

These two are right.

>>383796013
Sorry, I'm having trouble of keeping track of all the sites you're not allowed to link to in /v/.

>>383792687
this guy is a faggot and acting like he's the sole creator of Cyberpunk PnP when he isn't

we wuz tabletop designers

>>383796516
>author of Cyberpunk didn't author Cyberpunk
wat

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>>383796357

>>383792687
Holy SHIT

If they actually make what they're talking about, that game will be the fucking game of the century

>>383792687
So Deus Ex HR and MD are not cyberpunk but they're also not scifi as in space ships and lasers. Is there a term for what they are?

And don't get clever

>>383796903
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-07-12-making-cyberpunk-when-mike-pondsmith-met-cd-projekt-red

>"We saw some gameplay stuff when I was over there last time and I went, 'Yeah this feels like I'm doing a good Cyberpunk game here; I'm in the middle of a run I would have set up,'" he says. "It's pretty flashy I tell ya. We go, 'Yeah. Yeah. Yeah! You told me this is good - but this is really cool.'"

He is implying it will be.

>>383796996
They are cyberpunk. They are not Cyberpunk.

>>383796851
What a fucking win

>>383796996
They are cyberpunk. They just focus more on the cyber part of cyberpunk.

>>383796996
>they're also not scifi as in space ships and lasers.
Science fiction doesn't need space ships and lasers. Science fiction is fiction about science The Prestige is a science fiction movie. Because the core is about cloneing yourself and what it says about yourself.

>>383797076
>i'm in the middle of a run I would have set up

What did he mean by this?

>>383797327
>Because the core is about cloneing yourself
Go to /tv/ and see what happens.

>>383797390
a run is when you are on a mission to take on a corporation.

>>383797390
Its not a game yet, they probably have some builds where they can test different mechanics.

SYNTHFAGS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>383797685
Thank god for that. I'm so fucking tired of seeing muh AI, muh robots, muh synths as a central theme in video games.

>>383796851
how does one feel objectified through fictional characters?

>>383797928
B-but how else are we going to include scathing social commentary about racism?

redditor TBBT whedonist quippers BTFO

>>383798846
>scathing social commentary about racism?
By actually talking about racism and not an analogy?

>>383798970
how can you talk about something that doesnt exist though?

except against straight white men

>>383792687
Okay, but when is it actually coming out?

>>383799192
2019-2020

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>>383799192

>>383799192
2077

>>383799192
2020 or 2021.

Sounds good to me. Stupid ass games like Andromeda where 5 minutes in "omg YOU'RE the HERO we've all been waiting for! SAVE THE UNIVERSE! Only the HERO can do it! and the HERO is YOU!"

>>383799604
I dont think you're usually saving the world in games made in eastern Europe.
Probably something to do with SU and communism.

>>383797327
>Science fiction doesn't need space ships and lasers

Yeah, for sure, but that's what springs to mind when it comes to "scifi". Far future stuff, with high tech and (usually) clean aesthetics. It's a pretty catch-all term these days since a lot of things can fall into its umbrella

>>383792687
Cyberpunk is a technopolitical thriller set in a modern world, implicating the future.

Cyberpunk is not a pointless 'aesthetic' movement showcasing corporate architecture.

Veneer vs substance.

Eidos Montreal vs Ion Storm. One is hope, other is defeat.

>>383792687
Can't wait for that trademark CDPR top tier narrative design. Fire up that cyber sleuth augmentation! Look, digital footprints! Whaaa - the killer android was abused by his owners? Holy shit stop the presses this works on so many levels. Hmmm do I turn him in y/n? GOTY

>>383800131
>why is this game that never advertised itself as a mystery game and is a sequel to games that also never advertised themselves as mystery games not a mystery game

>>383799029
>racism

>straight men

Is this a race now?

So, honest question: What makes cyberpunk engaging for you people that are fans of it? It's clearly a beloved genre, but I always find myself more or less completely apathetic to it as a result of how utterly devoid of hope for the future it is, or at least of how I perceive it to be.

These stories usually go through great lengths to establish that corporate hold over society is more or less the end of history, that faceless companies will control the world forever and that the entire setting is more or less that 1984 quote about a boot stomping on a human face forever, except the boot is made of cloned velociraptor leather and the face is technologicaly augmented. I find really hard to have any stakes or interest in the struggle of characters when the world is basically a hopeless hellhole.

>>383800392
straight white men are the most discriminated against class in any society in history

>>383800921
That's not what I asked.

>>383800786
You only like fantasy or something, then?

>>383801052
glad you cant dispute that fact

>>383801052
Are jews a race?

>>383801137
That wasn't the topic of conversation, I've no interest in arguing whether or not being a white man is hard. I just wanted to know if you're seriously counting straight men as a race.

>>383801274
No idea. Shit's weird and I need to be reminded every year or so because I always forget.

>>383800786
>These stories usually go through great lengths to establish that corporate hold over society is more or less the end of history, that faceless companies will control the world forever
But the main character is always a loner and a self-taught genius hacker who does end up changing the world, or at least improving things for themselves. It's very individualistic. In the digital age, one loser with a computer can do basically anything. That's pretty empowering.

>>383801350
being a white man is usually pretty easy because white men are the most superior humans, but that's why we're so oppressed in a society co-opted by leftism which loves and rewards weakness and mediocrity

>>383801132
More like I have a strong distaste for the concept of corporations running the world through cold profit-driven methods because cold profit-driven decisionmaking more or less means that the various corporations will never want to seriously step on each other's toes and destabilize each other too much because it's much more profitable to keep business going as usual.

I much more prefer when normal, corrupt governments are the authoritarian force of the setting, because countries and nationalities can hold irrational grudges and rivalries that make any threatened instability or social breakdown a lot more plausible than "ACME Corporation outbid us on plans for building orbital elevators in China. LET'S KILL THEM ALL!"

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Only good thing about cyberpunk is the aesthetic, the rest sucks and is boring as hell like bladerunner for instance. Post Apocalyptic punk is better and looks cooler too

>>383801558
I'm kind of sad that I'm never gonna get an answer to my question and instead am gonna get this shit

>>383801616
FUCKING WOMEN GOD DAMN IT

>>383801704
you dont even bother arguing lol

>>383801776
Why would I argue about all that other shit you're saying when I don't care about that

steampunk>>>>cyberpunk

cyberpunk is so fucking pretentious

>>383801597
It's not corporation versus corporation. It's corporation versus people. You're describing this as if it were a war story.

ITT: People confusing "cyberpunk" with "Cyberpunk."

I've never liked Cyberpunk at all, I don't get the obsession with it. It's not even a deep obsession either, it's just an obsession with some vague aesthetic that can be summed up in two words: "dark" and "futuristic". The only thing worse than it is Steampunk, where you just add "victorian" to the list of buzzwords that serve as a guideline for yet another shallow aesthetic that gets pretentious losers creaming their pants.

>>383802090
sorta like confusing shit with feces huh

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>>383802258
That's why post apocalypse punk is the superior punk

>>383793487
Shadowrun has good story. Gotta look for the good stuff

>>383793085
Why are middle-class fags always complaining? Low-class don't complain, they just get thrifty and sniff out cheaper deals.

>>383802368
>Post apocalypse punk
>Superior over cyberpunk
I like the aestetic but cmon man stop fooling yourself

>>383792687
kind of retarded that he doesn't seem to get deus ex, both types of cyberpunk are great

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>>383802368
STOP

>>383802258
What genre can't you describe in two words?

>>383793893
Plus, Case wasn't really trying to save himself either. He went right back to taking drugs at the end of the book.

>>383796851
Quite remarkable how fast Blizzard fell.

>>383792687
>Mike Pondsmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNdMC6_eUGk

>>383801871
Please stop replying to his retard bait! Please

>>383802581
Post Apocalypse punk has motherfucking KENSHIRO, savior of the post apocalypse and Mad Max

all cyberpunk has are generic kids in leather shit with wires ranting about fighting the man

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>>383802921
It is pretty retarded, but I don't care too much. Takes like no time at all to reply.

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>>383802646
Quebecfag here.

Mais kessé ça, ciboire?

>>383803003
Why does anyone fall for that crap?

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>>383793893
Likewise in Bladerunner; Deckard is a loner bounty-hunter that the police don't seem to like very much. He hunts down and kills several synths for a megacorp, almost gettting killed himself in the process. He falls for a girl who#s probably a synth herself, and the two of them go on the run at the end. Deckard did an unsavoury job for nothing more than money, didn't change the world or really challenge the authorities. But he learns something about humanity, and in running away for love at the end makes a statement about individuality.

>>383802921
>>383803059

>replying to yourself
dumb nigger

>>383793085

Definitely. Pop-culture cyberpunk is all about disempowering catharsis for the middle and lower-middle classes.

Some parts of Africa right now are probably the most cyberpunk the world has ever been. No one cares, because there's no interest for a real class struggle in the vast majority of cyberpunks audience.

>>383802505
>they just get high/drunk and not care
I mean, other classes do that too, but to lesser extents.

>>383792687

I watched the yt video with him and it sounded like the IP was basically in really good hands. Dude's been approached before but only CDPR understood Cyberpunk on his level and that, because they were fanboys of the game themselves, he feels like the game will be done right and correctly. I just hope that the game will be good, whatever genre it is.

>>383803214
Alright man, you got me.

>>383799924
far future spaceship shit with aliens is space opera

>>383801616
Your opinion sucks, your post sucks, your image sucks. Just a lot of suckery involved in your existence.

>>383792687
Cyberpunk is a setting therefore there is no problem showing MC's like Deus Ex Adam + implants, because those characters exist in the corporate hierachy. and, are still used and abused as much as johnny decker on the street.

what OP linked and shouldn't have, is describing punk without the cyb.

>>383802005
HEY GUYS
THIS LOSER LIKE STEAMPUNK MORE THAN CYBERPUNK
ENJOY YOUR CULTURAL EQUIVALENT OF LARPING AS A MCDONALD'S PATRON

>>383802972
We got Major, Jc denton and the shadowrun crews. No hating

>>383802368
this is such terrible cosplay, you can't dress up like a moulin rouge whore and then just add the mask. shit looks disgustingly retarded. but the whore has tits so it gets a pass from adolescent channers.

>>383802505
Because the low-class are cattle, beasts in human skin.
They don't think long enough to come up with complaints. They always just go with the flow no matter what.

>>383803668
Kenshiro will kill them all before they can even blink.

>>383793219
shilling.

>>383792687
>The tech shouldn’t make you a hero, it should just be a part of ordinary life.

Except JC is a planned organism.
Did this slavshit retard even play Deus ex?

>Will kill them all
Relax with the edge. Its not about power level but about good characters and stories. Maybe you should read some shadowrun / cyberpunk. Its good

>>383803063
Shut up, snow-eating surrender monkey.

>>383803873
Think he is talking about the new era of deus ex. If im not mistaken he liked the original deus ex (?)

>>383803802
lmaoing at your life

Tell me since I know almost nothing about cyberpunk

Is it really political? He mentioned something about bad corporations, so I just wanted some clarification on that

>>383792687
Sounds like they're on the right track, at least, speaking for myself. Cyberpunk works better when it's fairly dismal and the characters at least somewhat selfish or nihilistic.

>>383802886
>linking Carmen Miranda's Ghost

Who the fuck are you? Are you me?

>>383799192
2020 for the pottery

>>383801616
Go shove a powerline grounding wire up your ass you twat.

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>>383803953
> surrender, meme about the french
> Quebec
> Quebec is part of Canada, not France
Really makes you think..

>>383804342
>amerifat education

>>383804342
Quebec was French, one upon a time. Then it wasn't when the British fuck them over.

>>383804395
>>383804426
Why do you enjoy the taste of bait? Serious question.

>>383804236
That wasn't the norm in the industry? I think i've played to many pnp sessions

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>>383804395
I'm convinced at least one of you is baiting.

>>383804495
>merely pretending

>>383803873
>>383803987
He likes Deus Ex but that doesn't mean he has to personally agree with the way it handled cyberpunk.

>>383804134
The simplest answer would probably be that corporations have more power and influence than the government itself.

>>383792687
Mike Pondsmith is my favourite black person.

>>383804558
I want to cuddle with bait-tan and make bait-babies with her.

>>383804734
So just like modern day? That doesn't sound very interesting.

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>>383792687
strolling through the Night City on a stormy night
>find some documents laying around in an abandoned general store
>open up the codex
>pondsmith's sweet voice flows out describing a trade deal between megacorporations as you watch the rain hit the pavement

>>383800131
best post

I want a snowcrash game with pizza delivery as a very important aspect

>>383804825
Same, which is why she's safely nestled in my SFW/blueboard smut folder.

>>383797390
That he's the dm and the game felt like a session he would have done

>>383800786
>What makes cyberpunk engaging for you people that are fans of it?

Cyberpunk settings are basically hyperboles of modern life. Corporations having heavy influence on politics is mutated to corporations literally running the world. People who valiantly, if fruitlessly, oppose this dynamic are turned from feckless armchair protestors to rebellious hackers that can damage the entirety of corporate infrastructure from their home. It's a leftist power fantasy.

It's not always political, but if it is, it's almost always on the side of the little guy.

>>383805285
>hyperboles
we've passed the hyperbole part like half a decade ago

>>383802005

>Calls cyberpunk pretentious
>Supports steampunk

I've never seen people obsess over something as bland a steampunk. It's purely a design aesthetic. That's it. You can write any faggy story on the planet and put your character on a zeppelin with a tophat and call it steampunk.

>>383792687
Why do people suck Mike's dick so much?
Everybody knows everything past first edition of Cyberpunk sucked balls and that Shadowrun's writing was far better despite all the "magic elf shit". Seriously, Cyberpunk had a Megacity 1 ripoff scenerio while Shadowrun internation corporate conflicts escalating to fullblown revolutions and wars.

>>383797390

Mike Pondsmith often GM's his own game at cons, he's saying the game felt like a session he woul run of the tabletop game.

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>>383805265
>dm
Get that scrub ass fantasy bullshit outta here. You fucking disgust me.

>>383805265
>>383805512

Oh, neat.

>>383801616
Can people stop slapping punk after everything

>>383805496
I love SR.

I can never forgive SR for never even giving the slightest nod or acknowledgement of any kind to Gibson.

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Shadowrun: Dragonfall is my favorite cyberpunk game

with the comfiest hub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasQwLn0c8U

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>>383805587
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_derivatives

>>383806150
Yes that's exactly the kind of retardation I mean. Here's this setting, now let's throw in "punk" at the end for no reason

>>383804826
that's because the genre was like 50 years ago, right before the corporations got more power than governments.

>>383793085
I always saw cyberpunk as a social conservatives view of a dystopian future. Absolute globalism, no sense of nation state and just complete depravity of consumerism. It should be viewed as pure capitalism taken to it's climax, unconditioned by traditional value systems like religious moral systems or notions of individualism.

That's why cyberpunk saw it's hayday in the 80's which culturally was a conservative lash back from the late 60's and early 70's. It's definitely not liberal. CDPR is right in that about how someone who lacks individuality comes to earn it back.

>>383805563
t. Storyteller

>>383806270
Jeez dude. Back off on the black pills.

Not the guy you were lambasting; plz no bully

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>>383792687
>The tech shouldn’t make you a hero, it should just be a part of ordinary life.

100%

>>383805496
first edition was cp2013 and it's been mostly forgotten by everyone. it was the second edition (cp2020) that made it popular.

>>383806720
I think you have a point, however those dystopian aspects are things that I think sensible people on either side of the political spectrum are fearful of, it's why you see the split caused by the rise of neocons and globalist democrats within their respective parties

>>383806802
Seconding this. Its so important

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>>383803003

Fuck off with that shitty movie, posting better fake.

>>383806734
Damn right. Nothing beats the Storyteller system. Unless you're a /k/ fag.

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>>383801616
>Blade Runner
>boring

>>383793085
>Saying it's just about quips completely ignores the significance of how Western, especially American, society writes cyberpunk.
I think this line was mostly about how there are a lot of games that apply or get attached to the cyberpunk label one way or another, and they're honestly either technoir or low-fi action games without putting any real thought into the punk elements.

Everything else you said though was spot on.

>>383807161
Ah, the guy's from /tv/, they can't stand anything other than Hollywood Rom coms and capeshit.

>>383804426

You do realize the "French are cowards" meme is from WWII, right?

>>383806975
Sure, I mean in general there is no need to say no one on the liberal side cannot find aspects to agree with on cyberpunk. However, recalling the basic definition of conservative as holding people to traditional value systems (moral systems, nations, capitalism, in that order), I see cyberpunk as a conservative view of a dystopia.

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>>383792687
Pompous ultra-pretentious cyber-nigger that thinks anything that doesn't fit his unreasonably specific and arbitrary preference is cyberpunk is "not muh cyberpunk"
Fucking dropped. Basketball Americans should stick to what they do best.

>>383807161
He's got a point. Don't get me wrong, I love Bladerunner. But the pacing and basic premise of the plotline weren't exactly stellar.

>>383802041
To be fair in Count Zero there's that guy who made the biochip and he was poached from one company to another one and I remember there being some pretty shady stuff going on around that though I do not remember the details.

will a cyberpunk game ever have a moment as good as "tears in rain"?

>>383796996
They would generally be called Sci-fi, or Low-fi (low levels of advanced technology). But the Deus Ex games in specific seem to be a subgenre called Technoir. A noir story involving advanced technology.

>>383807507
He's smarter than most of /v/'s userbase kiddo.

>>383792687

No, I don't.

Cyberpunk is one of those things where everyone has an opinion of what "real" cyberpunk is and almost none of them are right. It's like the horror genre where you get those obnoxious people that lecture you on what "real" horror is. Who the fuck are you to tell people what's real and what isn't?

Cyberpunk is an incredibly broad genre that has never really been defined beyond "near future" and the involvement of some sort of adversarial institute, be it government or corporation. The "high tech, low life" thing sounds good and all but it's not official or anything, it was just some guy's opinion and even at the time it wasn't 100% true.

Also, the notion that nobody is allowed to be special is completely and utterly retarded. There are absolutely special people in cyberpunk and most of the time what makes them special is technology they have.

>>383807778
>smarter than most of /v/

Is this supposed to be impressive? Are you new here by any chance?

>>383806297
We're drowning in them. Soon affixing punk to something will be inescapable in daily life.
A "Punkpunk" world, if you will.

>>383803478
What? No, Space Opera is literally a Soap Opera in space. Battlestar Galactica is a Space Opera. Far future with aliens is just Scifi.

why are people even so hyped about this guy? he made one good thing 30 years ago, what else?

he seems like a random nigger to me

>>383792687
>"Like a lot of the things that are going on there but the main characters are special because of the technology so it’s very far from street-level cyberpunk. The tech shouldn’t make you a hero, it should just be a part of ordinary life.”

I completely agree with this statement, and dislike that in the new Deus Ex games our cyber Jesus has access to exclusive stuff instead of street level stuff.
I'd much preferred it if the protagonist was something like a private detective, and was on the power level of every thug, and had to fight higher ups who were literally superior to him in terms of their hardware.

>>383800786
They tell such stories to warn us of those types of futures. They're basically examples of "This is how badly shit can be if you let it go out of control" and why the main characters in such stories have to struggle desperately just to live one more day.

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>>383802258
the obsession with it is everything not what you think it is.the fact that you're completely wrong about what you think it is says a lot of about you. people like you are specifically the ones that the cyberpunk genre criticizes. 100% blind to the truth. and the truth is cyberpunk isnt futuristic. it is about tomorrow based on what we know about ourselves today. it is always a critique of the current day current time and and the repercussions of being blind to it as it all get out of hand. cyberpunk is about that fact that were already cyberpunk but youre too blind to see it before its too late.

>>383808181
>I'd much preferred it if the protagonist was something like a private detective, and was on the power level of every thug, and had to fight higher ups who were literally superior to him in terms of their hardware.

You may prefer it but frankly it's just glorified mind over matter bullshit. Technology trumps human has been a pretty standard thing in cyberpunk. Technology IS what makes you special.

>>383808057
Only random nigger here is you. He's accomplished and influenced more than you ever will.

>>383802505

low class doesn't complain because they can't. they're either working 24/7 to not die or are too dumb/complacent with their situation to understand or work for anything better.

>>383802847
No he didn't, he married a girl named Michael and fucked off.
I think he has 3 or 4 kids now.

>>383808564
I don't hate him having hardware installed, I hate him having super special hardware that others don't.
I wanted him to have the stuff he could buy in the market, and that everyone else also had.

I wish the augmentations were like smart phones are today, something almost everyone has, and there are those with very expensive overkill ones.

>>383808751
Giving Jensen really mundane augs probably wouldn't make for a very fun game though.

>>383808751

Augments are like smartphones in HR.

His augments weren't unique or anything, just military grade which obviously is out of the reach of street punks.

>>383807940
>Punkpunk
The year is 2034. During the 20's, the rise of punk fiction began to set in society. Movies, book deals, the genre exploded. People loved punk so much that it would be the only thing that could sell. Soon, publishers and producer wanted nothing to do with you if you were not a Punk author. People would quit their jobs of 20+ years to try and make it big as a Punk author on fanfiction sites, applying Punk to wholly new genres. Fantasypunk, MagicalGirlPunk, HaremPunk, Cookingpunk, the list of genres grows larger still by the day.

This is a story of a young man trying to make it big in the world of punk.

>>383809674
And he has to be a tie wearing, shoe shining, straight edge shaven clean man's man.

>>383804134
>Is it really political?
not really
the setting is basically this
>incredible tech is everywhere
>tech corporations are so huge and so rich that they overshadow the government
>over time, these corporations slowly take over more and more power while the government declines

you end up with megacorps who essentially run their own mercenary armies to fight for the corps' interests. corporate rivalries can blow up in full scale warfare, corporations essentially make up their own law and use their mercs to enforce it on their land - and they own a lot of land.