Net Neutrality Thread: Fuck the Janitors Edition Net Neutral

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Wait, it got deleted? Come on, mods. This shit's important.

>>383779090
Not for video games

>>383779090
>>383779051
>>383779123
Go shill somewhere else, fags.

>>383779090
Not vidya related, besides the FCC head and committee are gonna do whatever the fuck they like, remember how well we stopped SOPA?

Get out of here.

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>>383779123
I remember when shit like this wasn't deleted, hell it was stickied

The fuck are the janitors doing?

>>383779123
It is tho.
>>383779151
It's Net Neutrality day, faggot. It'll be over tomorrow.

>>383779186
>Not vidya related
Oh my sweet summer child, how you will regret these words

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>>383779123
>>383779151
>>383779186
What the fuck? Anything internet related will be effected by Net Neutrality getting repealed, video games included. Say goodbye to lag free gaming unless you shell out for the ultimate gamer plan for only $100 more.

>>383779123
yes its important for vidya as you play over the internet.

>>383779280
>inb4 "are you poor?"

>>383779208
someone explain it to like you are explaining to your mother. i didn't undestand shit.

This is a good time to remind everyone that Time Warner Cable purposely slowed down League of Legends connections to get Riot to pay for the bandwith.

>>383779280
dont forget the 30$+ you have to pay for the vidya because ISP´s jewd out the dev´s and they have to get the money back.

>>383779367
No evidence. Nice shill.

>>383779280
>idiots thinking this will happen

I hope it does happen so you fools will realise this is just crying over nothing.

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good luck Ameribros, don't make that shit happen

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>>383779090
They obviously won't care until it actually has happened and 4chan gets fucked as a result. With nobody giving them their precious hotpockets they will realize they should have stood up for net neutrality when they had the chance.

>>383779421
Why in the fuck do you think it wouldn't happen? ISPs already do their very best to bend us over and fuck us till we beg for mercy. If you give them more power, why would they not just fuck us harder? Please, explain.

But I thought drumpf was our guy?

>>383779367
you mean the day the ISP´s stoped googel from expanding and providing every american with cheap and fast internet? What where there worlds? To aggressive expansion in a capitalist system that acts worse then commies?

https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix

How can almost 200 people be cucks? Is there ANY reason aside from "Yes! Let my ISP fuck me in the asshole!" when it comes to accessing sites evenly? Do you want to wait 40 seconds for every youtube vid to load when Comcast is promoting Dailymotion at 2.5 second loadtimes? Cucks for Comcast the lot of you!

>>383779361
Watch this, it's informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K88BU3kjZ-c

inb4 totalshitscuit

>>383779490
It's called free market and competition

Simply don't use their services if they screw you over. It's like people are braindead to not think about it. idiots.

>>383779361
The internet as it is now is like water. You pay for it and it runs when you turn it on.

If the ISP's have their way, they could charge you an extra $20 to use the water to wash your clothes. $5 per shower. $50 to water your lawn.

That kinda shit but with data and speed

>>383779564
I thought the guy died from ass cancer, how nice to see him not dead I guess

This is a /g/ thread. Go to /g/ to discuss this. Divided we fall and all o' that.

>>383779495

Hah 4chan fell for the "billionaire pretends he cares about the little guy" meme

>>383779545
It's called money. You can turn any politican into a good goy if you just pay them enough money for them to vote for what you want them to.

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>>383779589
Listen here, fuckboy, and listen good. The vast majority of the US only has 1 (ONE) choice of ISP. It's not as simple as just switching, since they already have monopolies.
>inb4: Well, I can switch, so it's not a problem

>>383779589
it's not that fucking easy you faggot, you can't just not use their service if they are the only one in your area

>>383779186
>Not vidya related
wew lad

>>383779642
this is a /4chan/ wide thread impacting all of the users of this dog frying website.

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>>383779589
Sure! Let me just put some fucking tin foil in my trees and make my own internet! It's not like they have monopolies. Hurr durr!

I hope you burgers do something about this

>>383779589
>lol no just don't use energy
>lol no just don't use internet
>lol no just don't use X
literally a retard

>>383779642
No it fucking isn't. There was a time when SOPA happened that every board started discussing it and somehow this doesn't count?

>>383779654

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the almost 200 people that voted against NN in the strawpoll. Those are the cucks i'm addressing. Of course you can buy politicians.

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>>383779051
>Asked 3 hours ago
>When all the americans are asleep
well timed poll OP

>>383779752
>Burgers
>Doing anything other then to suck cocks
Burgers are a waste of life and skin. They'll do nothing

>>383779589
you're either trolling or haven't watched enough of your favorite youtubers "debates"

you understand GOOGLE one the biggest companies in the world is having trouble setting up fiber at a decent pace in the US because ATT and Comcast and cock blocking them right?

What fucking chance does some no name company have if a multi billion dollar company can't even join in the """"free market"""" without the other big dogs bullying them?

>>383779589
>It's called free market and competition
Works for cell service. Oh wait, it's all overpriced garbage.

>Simply don't use their services if they screw you over.
>simply don't have an internet connection in current year.

>>383779760
They're either contrarian trolls, people who work for an ISP, or genuinely misinformed morons.

>>383779752
They wont they love to talk about muh freedoms and flaunt their guns but when the time comes they do nothing

>>383779760
Troll votes, I suppose. That, or actual retards.

>>383779831
>genuinely misinformed morons.
I can easily see this more then the other options. Retarded anons are nothing new

>>383779806
Still got a thousand votes

>>383779690
How's that freedom goin burgers? You will not be missed.

>>383779589
>competition
>there's been a fucking mono/duo-poly across 98% of america since forever
And you call others braindead

>american companies can actually have monopolies on a service like the internet
dont you burgers have laws against that ?

>>383779752
They can't, its a plutocracy. No matter how much they want it, the corporations have more money and lobby harder. Hell the chair of the FCC is a former verizon lawyer.

Have all you stupid niggers forgot when they capped data at like 300GB a month for people and you had to pay to have a higher cap?

Why in the fuck would you trust these companies?

>>383779926
thats what they are trying to remove.

>>383779903
>implying you're any more free

>>383779589
>It's called free market and competition
Oh you sweet summer child. Did you somehow forget the part where the vast majority of areas and states have only a single ISP option? Did you miss the part where the companies that do show up either get bought out or kicked out of the area because they can't lay lines or pay for the lines from the company that owns them? Did you somehow miss the part where Google tried getting into all states and they've basically found it impossible to actually lay pipes and get the middle finger from all ISPs?

>>383779926
Damn commie, preventing massive corporations from fucking over our people isn't the American way.

>>383779690
But I thought Americans were proud of being capitalists?

Usually where capitalism is there is also competition.

>>383779920
>Allowing a monopoly to happen in the first place
there are only 300 million braindeads on this globe anon

>>383779920
>>383779690
>>383779702
>>383779724
>>383779821

Why wont the US justice system penalize monopolies?
The EU does it all the time

>>383779957
how does Net Neutralitiy cross over into anti Monopoly laws?

>>383780015
Lobbyists grease every wheel in america.

What is net neutrality? Are the Cable Companies good guys or bad guys in this?

>>383779280
>caring about multiplayer
you deserve it

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>>383780015
See >>383779987
The real answer is that all of our politicians are in the corporations' pockets, so they wouldn't dare go against them.

>>383779806
Is there more? I'm getting nothing from reverse search.

>>383779962
Im logging from a 200mbit without isp blocking (except for pedo shit and whatsoever), can access to pirate bay freely, pay 30 euros\month with no gb cap.
Yep, i am way more free than you. Now grab a gun and go shoot something.

>>383780015
Because the US is hyper capitalism personified because every mega corporation has a conglomerate that I didn't fucking know. So long they get insane profits, it doesn't matter.

>>383779821
^this

free market my ass.

Googel should invest in some fucking ninjas and hunt the ceo´s ATT/Comcast family's and children. This would lead faster to solution then hoping the niggers make space for progress.

>>383779995
America is pretty much Capitalism (GONE WRONG)

>>383779589
>It's called free market and competition
protip: you can't have free market and state regulation.

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>>383780015
MUH FREE MARKET
GET OUT COMMIE

>>383780015
>The EU does it all the time
Only to foreign companies, never to their own.
Also remember who exposed the shit FIFA was doing, not the EU.

>>383779090
>>383779280
Net neutrality is a meme

>>383779926
It's written in state legislation. The ISPs have essentially bought off every single major municipality to to give them total control over the infrastructure, which they then refuse to upgrade or share. They're literally letting copper lines rot to force rural people onto wireless while killing unlimited plans in the cities.

>>383780156
yes you can. Its like saying as you can have freedome and law´s.

>>383780015
because it's not "technically" a monopoly
most places in the US generally have (2) choices so people like >>383779589 think that means it's a "free market"

The big dogs just let the non threatening companies come in and block out the real competitors.
Though "allegedly" google is going to move to wireless and if that happens it'll be a good day to be an internet fag.

>>383779995
The people with money have power, the people with power make the rules, and the people who make the rules do their damn best to ensure the rules don't harm their bottom line. The game was rigged from the word go, and there's virtually zero chance of any up and comers from changing the situation we're in right now here in the stats in terms of ISP choice/competition.

YAAAAS
PLEASE TAKE ALL MY MONEY CORPORATION-SAMA
YOUR CORPORATE DICK FEELS SO GOOD IN MY ASS
FUCK NET NEUTRALITY AND FUCK CONSUMER RIGHTS

>>383779361
In the most simple terms, repealing net neutrality gives ISPs more power to fuck us over. There is literally no upside for people who are not ISPs.

The people arguing it's good for us believe that after the ISPs get more money by fucking us over, they'll spend it doing nice things for us. Which they would have literally no incentive to do because most (not sure of the exact number) internet consumers only have one available ISP. That's literally the only possible way this bill can be a good thing for the average person, and what these shills are pretending to believe will happen.
There is a long history of ISPs fucking us over in the exact way they're promising they won't again.

>>383780064
Some of the cable companies are bad guys and try to force net neutrality out of the windows, but even the ones that don't aren't really stepping up to defend net neutrality, only the services that rely on it do, like Amazon, Hulu, HBO, and Netflix, Youtube, Yahoo (because of Twitch) and of course providers of online games services.

Net neutrality just means internet providers can't limit your speed depending on which content you're accessing with your connection. But they'd all like to do just that.

>>383780170
Name one monopoly going on in the EU right now

>>383780205
America tells me otherwise. Have fun with your government/company-lobbed (((free market)))system.

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>>383780064
Answer pls

Wtf is this?

>>383780170
biggest food retailers in germany want to merge, its would create a unfair advantage to others. it gets blockd.

To bad your not right.

>>383780260
consumers don't have rights , they have choices

>>383780095
>freedom in yuroland
you have nice internet but don't even pretend

>>383779051
Ah, yes, good job, keep the Net (((Neutral)))!

>>383779995
They're proud of capitalism to the point where the average person will rank a business' profits higher than their own ability to access goods because creating a successful business is part of the American dream.

You see this behavior in vidya discussion a lot. People will fight over which consoles have the better exclusives when exclusives do nothing for them. People will argue that casualizing games to focus on the lowest common denominator makes business more money, even though "how much money a business makes" has no value to them unless they work for that business, and all they get out of it is a shallow game with shallow gameplay.

>>383779926
>>383780015
In the US if you build something it's yours to keep. Since the ISPs all built their own infrastructure after borrowing tens of billions of dollars from the government to do certain projects only to not do it and never return the money it's theirs to keep.

>>383779490
Because it did not happen prior to the net neutrality rule. Or if it was commonplace, I'm not aware of it.

>>383780332
Not for much longer, pay up or no internet for you goy

>>383780332
They do in most of the civilized world. Maybe not in America for much longer.

>>383780282
Veolia comes to mind.

>>383780382
It happens even with net neutrality in place >>383779528

>>383780305

Answers here also
>>383779564
>>383779609
>>383780269

>>383780282
Germany

>>383780392
still a choice

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>any year
>expecting ISPs to not completely fuck over the consumer
Those subhumans will do anything and everything possible to make more money and will gladly manhandle the consumer in a heartbeat. I can't believe I even have to type this out. I thought this was common knowledge.

Good fucking luck accessing your hentai sites if this is repealed.

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*yawn*
Mods, remove this thread already. No one actually gives a shit and it's mostly shitposting. No one cares since Amerishits keep fucking themselves

>>383779589
Except ISP's are regional monopolies that negoiate with each toher to not get on each other's turf, and the intial startup costs for making an ISP are absolutely absurd, and most of the networking infanstructure was made with or uses public money/land anyways.

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>>383780356
It's not taxpayer money if you just don't pay taxes

>>383780310
>biggest food retailers in germany want to merge
Which ones?
Because the ones I know are REWE and Aldi and Aldi doesn't care about merging for obvious reasons.

I'm kind of resigned to this now. Net neutrality was never going to last, if it's not repealed this time, they'll just keep trying and one day succeed. It's an eventuality at this point.

>>383780503
>*actions*
Fuck off.

>>383780332
>consumers don't have rights
maybe not in the usa, but in first world countries they do.

>>383780170
>never to their own.

Very incorrect.

>>383780559
This, might as well give up.

>>383780503
you're fucking retarded if you think this doesn't affect the rest of the world, or at the very least set an example for other countries to follow

>>383780274
So Net Neutrality is good? Cable companies have always tried to get shitty about things where I'm at. Raising rates on TV alone, not delivering advertised speeds due to infrastructure or flat out lying.

Thanks though m8, sorry I missed your post.

>>383780503
I lvoe how you yuropoors keep saying MUH MURRIKKKANS but this will affect you guys too.

Like 4chan? LOL MURRIKKKA GONNA BE GONE FROM TEH 4CHANS

Wrong you'll be gone too because it's a fucking MURRRIKKKAN site you drooling fucking mong.

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>>383780479
he's reich you know

>>383780481
Slaves also had the choice of escaping with that logic lol

It's funny how the only people against net neutrality are the ones who'd profit the most out of it while the rest of the world opposes, supposably easily showing who is right and wrong in this. Yet we all still worry that the system is so broken that the monopoly guys could actually win.
Did I say funny? I meant depressing.

>>383780456
>Veolia
http://multinationales.org/Water-management-Berlin-no-longer

nope, thats what true democracy, a thing you dont have in the usa, can do. What your corporations fear.

>>383780015
>because it's not "technically" a monopoly
It's not a monopoly at all. You don't even have to get "technical" about it. That's not what the word means. At all. The word you're looking for is oligopoly, and those exist. Just look at airlines. There are few enough of them that they can agree on business practices, like pricing tickets based on how close the purchase date is to the flight date. It's in their best interest as a business to do this, so they all do it. If one of them stopped doing it, most of them would probably stop in order to compete -- but there's few enough of them that they don't ever have to worry about that, and the cost of aircraft are so heavy that they don't ever get new competitors who come in and rock the boat.

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>>383779051
>America

why you reelect ppl who sell you out every time
its like your country is full of useful idiots

>>383780616
Servers were moved to Europe lol. Keep strawmanning

>>383780604
They love the narrative that having guns means they can overthrow the government whenever they want.
But we all know it wont happen, they will go down in history as being more cucked than even France

>>383780503
(you)

>>383780615

Das fine. And yes, to us as internet users, net neutrality is a good thing.

Only those selling internet access as a commodity would like to see it gone.

>>383779495

BREAKING: PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CAUGHT ON TAPE COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA BEFORE THE ELECTION.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

>>383780605
>>383780616
Here's the difference. Our populations are smarter since we don't have retards who keep saying "corporations fucking us in the ass is what we want!"

Try again, kids.

>>383780481
>>383780332
Do you think consumers have a right to not be sold poison under the pretense that it is food? Is it the consumer's fault for being tricked into eating poison?

How long are we gonna let corporations just run everything?

What are some criticisms of net neutrality that aren't "ISPs should be allowed to double-dip customers who already pay for the bandwidth packages they use"?

>>383780382
There were various factors that prevented it from happening. The biggest ones are that their monopoly wasn't nearly as strong, so people could always just switch to a competitor, and that they flat out didn't think of it. Issues happened over the years, but Net Neutrality really started to be threatened in 2015, leading to the regulations. In anycase, the situation is different now, and it absolutely would happen if NN was to be repealed.

>>383780746
Instead you guys take muslim dick in the ass non stop.

>>383780546
REWE and Kasiers or LIDEL I think. it got stopped.
No monopoly's no cartels.

>>383780734
Wtf I'm a #shillforhill now

>>383780559
They will keep trying but we need to stall until either google manages to set up their own lines, breaking the current monopoly, possibly letting other companies actually try their luck as well without being bullied into oblivion; or someone with actual balls manages to make a law set in stone that would never allow for net neutrality to be broken.

>>383780605
not really because most countries dont have a monopoly by one ISP running the entire internet. and Europe still has strick Net Neutrality laws

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>>383780481

>>383780779
>The biggest ones are that their monopoly wasn't nearly as strong
rubbish, nothing much has changed in the couple years NN has had effect

>>383780734
>more flexibility after reelection
>senate and house of reps both against him

Obama couldn't catch a break.

>>383780781
>t. 59% plus ''white'' hispanics

>>383779051
So which option do /we/ want?

>no more americans on 4chan
Oh no what will we do without all of that quality posting

>>383779361

Company a vs company b and the hordes of retards they've both brainwashed

Apparently your a corporate shill for supporting less government intervention, and a big government shill if you support more intervention

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>>383780461
Alright thanks for pointing out more answers man, but now I'm just more aggravated.

Anyways, I'd honestly have to forfeit my internet if this shit ever happened. Or move to a place that has google fiber, that's if google doesn't choose to participate in this scumbag milking tactic.

Fuck man, does anyone out there barely have enough to make rent nowadays? And these twats want to get more out of me?....Kinda wonder if people like me are the actual minority.

>>383780901
we still have Australia.

>>383780861
I'd rather have mexicans than terrorists.
>>383780901
>muh muricans

full retard non stop with yuropoors, you won't be here either dipshit

>>383780865
>can't nickel and dime based on packet content
>ISPs not responsible for what passes through their network
NN is the Jew Smiting regulation.

>>383780707
Everyone has this idea that the President controls everything. He's only the person with the most individual. The actual branch of government with the most power is the congress, and nobody votes for congressmen unless the election happens to coincide with a presidential election.

The office of US President is just a huge meme being pushed by large businesses into the media spotlight to distract people from the real politics.

>>383780269
>There is literally no upside for people who are not ISPs
Well, if you don't use Netflix, you'll probably have much faster internet when everyone else is on Netflix, since Comcast can throttle Netflix but leave browsing bandwidth untouched.

Not that it would be worth it, but lets not forget what this is really about here. It's about throttling specific high-bandwidth services without throttling all connections.

What is canada´s stance in all this

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>/v/ acts like losing net neutrality is a good thing
every day i am further convinced that this board has been infested by shills and retards

>>383780687
Except you don't have a choice with ISPs, so it literally is a monopoly. If one option is substantially worse than the other, it's not a real choice.

>>383780953
The cuck stance

>>383780953
whatever ensures good access to blacked.com

>>383780759
Until a guy steps in and demands the right to tell everyone how it's going to be because of his bloodline.

In all honesty though, if a corporation feel they can't flourish under parliamentarism, and feel the need to constantly lobby the politicians or threaten to leave, they're probably a shit corporation.

>>383780937
>Google in charge of not being kikes

Lol

>>383780747
nobody is pretending it's food it's poison and as a consumer you get to pick yours or not . But let's be honest , you will because you are addicted to it

>>383780759
As long as we keep buying their shit. So forever.

>>383780616
>>383780746
>eurocucks act all mighty
>the euro governments literally fucks their citizens the hardest

can't wait when this lefty shithole breaks down just wait when Italy and Greece won't keep the poor mudslim anymore.

>>383780995
>Except you don't have a choice with ISPs
I can pick between ATT, Comcast, Verizon, and Centurylink

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>>383780943
>terrorists.
you mean the average American?
>tfw you live in a country where even the getthos like nicer than most cities in America

>>383780851
I'm not saying it did, just that the lack of monopoly is what prevented Net Neutrality from being really broken from the inception of the internet until the 2010s. Again, if you think the ISPs wouldn't do literally anything in their power to get your money, you're fucking delusional.

>>383781058
Where's the wall, paco?

>>383781086
they'd have to all do it in unison

>>383780759
This is why we need a strong leader, democracy is decadent

>>383780995
a "not real" choice is still a choice.

There are many many semi-monopolies like that, where one company is just able to offer a substantially better service than the others.

The EU can't force companies to step up their game, they can only tell the big guys to not actively trounce them.

>>383781083
Congrats. You're in the vast minority tho. Most people don't have a choice. Just because you happen to have one doesn't diminish the problem whatsoever.
>>383781119
Why? People don't have choices between ISPs, so we're literally helpless.

>>383781032
to bad in Germany internet is life necessity like bread and water.

https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/25/3914498/german-judge-says-internet-is-essential-to-life

>>383779490
i wouldnt mind being bent over and fugged ;0

America
YES
your guns didn't help so much

>>383779051
Can I get a quick rundown? I saw this on /tv/ as well.

>>383780937
The idea of packet-driven pricing is a meme.

People envision a non-neutral internet as a more expensive internet ("buy the Gamer's Upgrade package! Access to online gaming for only $19.95 more per month!") but if your ISP could charge you $20 more per month and keep your business, they would, net neutrality be damned. They're a monopoly. If the market will bear an additional $20/mo on your service, they'd already have it on there.

The real issue is competition throttling. Comcast owns Hulu, so Comcast can make Netflix run slower to promote Hulu subscriptions. That's the sort of thing people are actually right to be worried about, because the internet will stop being a perfectly competitive marketplace.

>>383781032
I'm not talking about fast food or processed food. Do you think consumers have right to not be sold literal, known poison as food?

>>383781171
>You're in the vast minority tho. Most people don't have a choice
Chew you haveisfaction a singlelicious satisfact to snack that up?

>>383781216
Then get a nigger, don't let a corporation do it

>>383781294
no i wanna get fugged ;oo

>>383781171
>only one business happens to offer a service in my area
That's still not what a monopoly is.

>>383779589
The only cable provider in my area is fucking Comcast, I get 150 mbps from them, and some nights it just stops working.
The next fastest provider is 6 mbps. FUCKING 6.
Comcast has a fucking monopoly in my area and I'm sure it's similar everywhere else in the US.

>>383781135
>a "not real" choice is still a choice
No it fucking isn't. That "choice" is only allowed to be there to convince morons like you that everything's fine. If the system is rigged so that consumers have only 1 real option, its a fucking monopoly.
>one company is just able to offer a substantially better service than the others.
Except they're not "just" able to offer better service. They're actively preventing competitors from being able to compete. Just look at the difficulties Google had with Fiber. The ISPs all cockblocked them. You hear that? Those greedy fucks actively prevented raising our quality of life by a lot just to line their pockets. How can you defend that?

>>383781324
Come ere then. You're not ruining this for the rest of us fucking bitch

>>383781331
It's a monopoly in all but name. If you think that makes a difference, you're being had. Same end result for the consumer, and there's no chance of competitors being able to compete.

>>383781119
How difficult is it to get a few CEO's in a room to agree on something.
>Hey, we're multi-billionaires but we want more. What can we do, what can we do.
>Hey Bob, want to fuck over our clients?
>Sure do Jim.

>>383781331
So basically you've never heard of a local monopoly?

>>383780075
Good luck downloading games with a throttled/data capped internet.
Good luck tormenting a game ever again

>>383781409
i work for nsa :o

>>383781370
I literally live within 15 miles of Comcast's headquarters and I had to sign up with ATT because Comcast doesn't cover my area. I wish they did because ATT is shit.
>150mbps
I get 23 Mbps download and on a good day my upload is 1.5Mbps

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>>383779123
>>383779151
>>383779186

>Net Neutrality abolished
>You can now only download x amount of games per month without paying hefty additional fees
>Can't even watch video game trailers or shitpost images on /v/ without it accounting to your monthly traffic
>Irrelevant for video games

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>>383780015
You know why

>>383781479
doesn't mean he cant borrow your boipussy for a couple of hours.

>>383781436
It's the cheapest way to gain money without raising any costs. Be honest, if you were in their shoes you would also do it since it makes sense from a business standpoint

>>383781376
I don't defend that.

If you're in the US, you're apparently shit out of luck though.

Vote better next time.

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>Google, Amazon, and Facebook are all backing Net Neutrality
>people actually think anything will happen

They are the ones who control the world, not the FCC.

>>383781532
>x amount of games per month
That's not how the internet works.

>>383781479
>*shoots you dead*
That was fucking personal god damn scumbag

>>383781546
im a girl ;o

>>383781235
As it stands, the net is neutral. This means that information that goes through the tubes is all treated exactly the same, whether it be streaming a video from youtube, or downloading a book from some Russian piracy site.

ISPs want to get rid of net neutrality so they can throttle data from websites they don't like, or just from popular websites. For instance, they could charge you an extra $10 a month for unrestricted netflix access, or simply throttle the speed of websites they don't like (Or whose competitors have paid them to do so--or who haven't paid their protection money) to 1 kb/s

>>383781238
Yeah, they already screw consumers as they please, now they just want to make content creators/providers pay for arbitrarily limited access (ostensibly to pass the savings on the consumer, but who can even say that with a straight face). Of course they'll give their own proprietary services a pass, trying to shift you from the open internet to their own little walled garden where you only see what they want you to see.

>>383781196
so is mental illness apparently
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/10/germany-third-gender-birth-certificate
>>383781254
no, because consumers have no rights they have choices

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>>383781263
It's worse than I thought, actually. Looking at the 100 Mbps column, aka the only speed that's even remotely acceptable in 2017 55% don't have a choice, 35% have 1 alternative, 9% have 2, and 1% have 3. Fucking pathetic.

>>383781520
The download and upload is really nice, my problem is Comcast has really spotty service.

>>383781571
Just give it a day since most people are too paranoid

>>383781596
You're just making me rock harder.
Boys who think they're girls are the best

>>383781376
we could have had regular cable internet a decade or so earlier except the cable providers rallied to cockblock it then because they didn't want a competitor to tv

>>383781559
I honestly wouldn't. There's raising profits and fucking shit up for the sake of a quick buck.
Then again, that's why I'm not a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.

>>383781620
So the first few people that eat cyanide after being told it's candy had no right to be told it's cyanide and everyone is just supposed to learn from their deaths? Your reasoning is almost as retarded as your attempts at the English language.

>>383781656
>>383781571
Listen, fuckers. Raising a fuss about it is the only thing we can do to stop and discourage this shit.

>>383781263
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/us-broadband-still-no-isp-choice-for-many-especially-at-higher-speeds/?comments=1
>when niggers in africa have better internet than you do
AMERICA

>>383781235

Basically net neutrality stops an ISP for charging you based on what you access. Like water and electricity you are charged for what you use rather than what you use it for.

Without it, ISPs have tried to force you towards using their partners and services and intentionally slowing access to rivals.

Technically net neutrality wasn't supposed to take effect until the end of this year, but the threat of it kept ISPs in line.

The counter argument is that competition is good and will force lower prices and that you can switch ISPs if they do bad things. Unfortunately the choice of ISPs is limited so most likely you will get Comcast-like horror stories.

Of course this all could have been solved last year but the fucks at the Tom Wheeler FCC decided that they needed to wait because...

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>>383781564
>Vote better next time.
Gotcha, good call.Oh wait, that's what this entire thread is about, you dingus.

>>383781692
Exactly. How anyone can defend this shit is beyond me. These companies actively do not have our best interests at hearts. If you think they won't do as much as they can to squeeze more money out of our pockets, you've fallen for their lies.

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https://twitter.com/comcast/status/885165857810386946

Verizon, Comcast and AT&T are for Net Neutrality too!

Everyone fight with the good guys like google, facebook, microsoft and everyone else in order to keep net neutrality!

I hope I live to see what the successor to the internet will be. Something free and decentralized, no doubt.

>>383781620
>consumers have no rights
Only in murrica

>>383780971
It's literally a minority of loud retards. This should be nothing new if you've been here for a while.

>>383781782
Well they're making a massive propaganda push right now. Wouldn't doubt there are shills here. They've been using bots to spam the FCC comment section. The threads on /pol/ are also hilarious/tragic.

>>383779151
>shilling

Just WHY would anyone go about paying anon to be FOR internet neutrality on fucking 4cfhan?

>>383781580
It very well could be if net neutrality was abolished.

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>>383779528
Hey guys I am italian and my speed on speedtests reaches nearly 30 mb, I have time to time downloaded at 2,9 mb/s but with the right server I can get a steady 2 mb.

Problem is lately despite the steady speedtests using Steam or even Battlenet has given me a top speed of 600 kb, sometimes 700 kb when I know I can reach much more, worse, if using both services they have divided the 600 kb (so one goes 200 the other 300 and so).

It seems a clear case of neglect of net neutrality, how can I fight against it considering.

1) Their contract is the usual (UP TO [speed])
and cover their asses saying that based on bandwith they might slow speed

2) No test that I have done technically indicated that my ISP is throttling.

3) Is my only choice of ISP.

>>383781263
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/us-broadband-still-no-isp-choice-for-many-especially-at-higher-speeds/

>>383781559
No, theres a point where wealth becomes frivolous and fucking people over for something you can't even realistically use makes you a tremendous asshole.

>>383781802
>We support Net Neutrality, just trust us guys, and remove all laws that stop us from rawdogging the american citizen seven ways to Sunday!

>>383781886
> I am italian
You sure? Sounds to me like you're American

>>383781828
soon in a country near you too™

>>383781626
Youre reading that wrong. 55% have NOTHING that can do that

>>383781559
No I fucking wouldn't. Then again, that's why I'm not in that position I guess. It takes a special breed of heartless sociopath to be a CEO

Actual question for someone that knows more then me.
What is the purpose of an ISP. Like, what is stopping someone from just directly connecting to a website.

>>383779926
Yeah instead of Coke, we get Coke AND Peps because Normies can't think of more than two things at once without their brains short circuiting.

Land of the free.

>>383781957
I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords!

>>383781580
thats how US internet works.

lold at usa

>>383781580
Yes it will, once you're capped on traffic.

At least triple As aren't getting smaller.

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>>383781981
Fuck me. You're right. My bad. It's somehow EVEN worse than I though, lmao ;_;

>>383781616
or they charge neflix extra with makes netflix charge you extra.

>>383781750
Yes, which is also why I don't understand why you think I'd defend corporations that hold the others down.

I was just pointing out that even in the EU, where emerging monopolies are monitored fiercely, they can't actually tell market leaders to not be their best, and second rate competitors to pull themselves together.

Things are not a monolopy just because you experience something you don't as a consumer feel is a real choice. But it is of course a very commonly occurring symptom.

>>383782009
The internet isnt magic you need infrastructures

>>383781873
>It very well could be if net neutrality was abolished.
No, it couldn't. All a provider can reliably monitor is the amount of data you upload and download and the services you attempt to connect to. It can't distinguish 2 connections to PSN, once with a 20gb download and once with a 10gb download, as one single 30gb game downloaded.

And even if they changed it so they could, the services like PSN and Steam could hide the information for their users' sake, or the user could use a VPN.

>>383782089
Netflix sucks anyway. I'd welcome their bankruptcy

>>383782009
What is the purpose of the utilities company? What's stopping you from just turning on the faucet?

>>383782126
The ISP could demand from Steam or PSN that they make the data available, or the service won't be accessible through their network at all.

That's a little extreme, but if all ISPs made those kinds of demands, they would have to comply.

>>383782105
>Things are not a monolopy just because you experience something you don't as a consumer feel is a real choice.
Listen. It's not literally the textbook definition of a monopoly. It's a loophole that has all the downsides of one without being literally illegal. You're just arguing semantics here, man. The end result is us getting fucked just as badly.

>>383782179
then pick any other service provider.
Witch reminds me off that US ISP can now block EU service providers and so hinder free trade. This means that if net neutralety is gone we will have to do the same to block US services in Europe and keep EU bucks out of US corporation pockets. so much for free flow of information and free flow of goods.

>>383782179
I'm not watching any of their series anymore anyway.

And their movie selection has always been a joke.

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>>383779051
>neo /v/ is pro government intervention/control of the internet

Proof that this board is full of underage retards from reddit.

>>383781948
Let me rephrase it then, ahem.
Mamma mia, mah internet-te giv-a-er is makin-a pepperoni of me, is un-forgetti-able, I cannotti get ludos by Steam because they block me like the glass stops the wino from spilling.

Aiud-ah-de-me pe please.

How about this?

>>383782109
>>383782216
I miss the old days when everything was just hard wired to eachother

>>383779051
I voted anti just to piss you off
Glad to not be American

Land of the free ahaha oh wow

>>383782243
No they couldn't but if Net Neutrality stays then the FCC is allowed to make demands of what your data is doing and allowing them to tax and regulate it.

It's a lose-lose situation whether you're pro or anti Net Neutrality.

>>383780605
>example for the rest of the world
>when Trump is the president

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>>383779926
Same shit here in Canada. Either Bell-Rogers, Bell-Telus, or Bell-Videotron. Few resellers, but they obey their evil masters and offer shit service because of it.

Gouvernment here also try to pass laws to break net neutrality all the time. Last year, Quebec passed a law to give Loto-Quebec (government controlled lottery) access to force ISPs to slow down online gambling sites, or outright block them, under the pretext of being "anti-competitve" to LQ services. It's contested now, but this shit happens all the time.

No way out. The Internet Golden Age is over, senpai.

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>>383782279
>then pick any other service provider.
Everyone needs to stop with this meme. The vast majority of people don't have other options. That's pretty much the entire fucking reason people are so mad ffs

>>383782342
>>383782279
>Witch reminds me off that US ISP can now block EU service providers and so hinder free trade. This means that if net neutralety is gone we will have to do the same to block US services in Europe and keep EU bucks out of US corporation pockets. so much for free flow of information and free flow of goods.

>>383782285
You didn't even say anything about spaghetti or meatballs. You really expect to fool anyone?

>>383782285
Much better

>>383779090
it's a meme made to make money on clicks and donations

>>383779589
>Asking neckbeards to go outside

>yfw EU gets internet refugees coming from murrica

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>>383779090
and yet the fucking trump thread got to 600+ posts

fuck this stupid board

>>383782394
People keep saying this but I'm not seeing any sources cited. Just "I CAN ONLY GET COMCAST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>383782285
Ah, now I see what you're saying. I'm not sure about how Italian law works, but over here you'd be shit out of luck. You only option would be to switch to another ISP, but again, if its anything like over here, you won't have another option.

>>383782442
At least their white

>>383782394
I was referring to Netflix because its muh shit and crap. take steam or origni or what ever you like. It still the same. The end user, you, will be charged ether way extra and everything will get more expensive with lose of content and service.

Make some noise about this ameribros, it needs to be stopped.

>>383782279
>pick another service providor
Sorry. Let me just, oh wait I can't go onto a competitor's website because it's throttled to shit. Let's just wait and, oh, my current providor is the only one in my area? Well shit.

>>383782442
Rather Americans than Mudslimes

>>383779051
>US is the entire world

The fact that "Net Neutrality" is pushed by the same fuckers who want to police online speech isn't lost on me. I'd be for it if it didn't mean handing regulatory powers to a group that would love to use said powers as a means to police online content. The next "net neutrality" is gonna be loaded with a while lot of "progressive" wank like "oh btw, you can't let customers go on 'hate' sites." At least with Comcast, I'm assured that they want my money and don't give a rat's ass how I think so long as I'm good for the money.

>>383782259
I'm saying they're different in the very important way that a monopoly is something someone can do something about, whereas you personally experience that you aren't getting a proper choice isn't something anyone else would necesarily give a shit about, or have the legal power to change.

>>383782454
Because if you live in the fucking states you know that to be objective fact for the vast majority of people.

>>383782502
please, the us is 30% white. You fit in with all arab and Africans mud blood.

Is it too late for me to make a call or anything? Its already July 13th.

>>383782454
Well, let me direct your attention to >>383781626
Also, I read the chart wrong when I posted it fuck off, I'm tired . It's actually 55% don't have any access to that quality of internet, which is completely fucking unacceptable.

Why americucks are so easy to fall for another obvious scam?

>>383782324
Well it isn't for me personally as a European.

But I see the problem there.

>>383782531
here
>>383782507

>>383782283
>le false dichotomy man
Being controlled by companies or the government are both equally shit. These two go hand in hand, but you don't mind getting fucked if it's the almighty free market gods doing the fucking.

>>383782616
>Witch reminds me off that US ISP can now block EU service providers and so hinder free trade. This means that if net neutralety is gone we will have to do the same to block US services in Europe and keep EU bucks out of US corporation pockets. so much for free flow of information and free flow of goods.

Trade war anon.

>>383782534
They're the people in charge of "the internet" so they might as well be considered as the entire world in this regard.

>>383782490
>I'm not sure about how Italian law works,
As much as I am glad I don't live in America (but I rather not live in Italy), is easier to look up these things for there.

>You only option would be to switch to another ISP
Is impossible because here how I am:
I live not in a city, not in a town, but OUTSIDE a town, what used to be a private community, not exactly gated (there was a Gate, never saw it closed though), but "outside".

Now, the town that is 3 Km away did get 20 Mb, I have shitty cables, I get 6 Mb, these cables are owned by Telecom, if I change to Fastweb, same cables rented from Telecom same service, I tried with Vodafone, except Telecom walked all over them, they never gave much of a shit and the internet was less than 1 Mb.

So I am using Linkem, which is wireless.

Maybe I should buy a VPN, I saw one for 15 bucks a year.

>>383782531
Stop with the Doomsday scenario's. By your logic companies can firebomb their competitors legally because free speech.

>>383782678
>in charge of "the internet"
it's not 2006 anymore

>>383782560
I live in bumfuck Richmond Kentucky and I still have several ISPs to choose from. How am I just supposed to know how anyone else has it?

>>383782604
That's a proper answer, thank you.

>>383782454
>I'm oblivious to decades of glacial internet development in America and I don't know how to use google

>>383782672
Oh I agree that losing net neutrality would be bad for me as a European.

But the FCC can suck my dick.

>>383782531
>being this dumb

>>383782732
Don't make me feel old.

Anyway, what exactly has changed in that regard?

>>383782716

>I have never been outside my hometown, and believe everywhere else functions like a major city.

Shut the fuck up. Don't you have school in an hour?

>>383779690
same in europe you retard you only have one ISP who builds the infracture and stuff and all the providers renter from them same goes for electricity and bascially everything stop acting better you're not.

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>4chan on net neutrality
I knew it was a good idea to keep this image, the image dates to January 2017, not sure if that's exactly how old it is.

>>383782283
It is just /pol/ cause they are morons.

>>383782748
>I'm incapable of backing up my argument with any sort of sources or reasoning so I'm just going to scream Google

>>383782861
Don't Americans have a summer break?

So what I'm getting from this whole thing is that we're fucked as consumers either way, but keeping Net Neutrality stops us from getting completely fucked?

>>383782875
Pretty much identical to the current poll that's in the OP. What's your point exactly?

>>383782918
You're right, they do. My bad. Explains a lot.

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>>383782716

Reminder that this is a good time to buy a lot of stocks in ISPs and when net neutrality is gutted you will make bank.

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>>383782875
>All/4chan/Maryland/Washington/Party/Ethnicity

>>383782950
Keeping net neutrality won't necessarily fuck you any hard than you already are. But if you currently feel fucked, this debacle certanly won't do anything to ease the pain.

>>383782950
Pretty much.

>>383782962
Why not?

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>>383782875
Now put up another question asking if people think the FCC should be allowed to make demands of what your data is doing and allowing them to tax and regulate it.

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>Americucks
>free

You burgers were already indoctrinated to reject universal healthcare, you'll be indoctrinated to accept this too.

Constant unrestricted 100x100 15$ EU internet here
It's cute how the inventors of the internet and freedom are having such problems with it

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>>383782283
>muh free market

t. I just turned 18 so you can't call me underage anymore

>>383783081
>How to spot a Narcissist
Live in California
>How to survive an earthquake
Move to Florida
>How to get out of Florida

>>383783120
>EU internet
>free

>>383783120
which country? I love Europe but boy I wish to live in another european country.

>all the big coorporations who spy are you are for it, so it must be a good thing

Fuck off with this cringe gamergoy trash. I now support killing net neutrality

>>383783081
These cannot be the correct data, can they? Some are just too good.

>>383783209
more free then you ever be.

>>383783209
Yeah you don't get in prison for pirating vidya and CIA doesn't monitor your search history

>>383783234
>big corporations who spy on you vs ISP's and goverments who spy on you and want you to pay extra plus tip for it

You are a fucking moron if you're against net neutrality. 4chan would absolutely be made slow as fuck because it's not Google/Facebook, all your porn sites would be slow as fuck, every video game that isn't raking in millions a day would be slow as fuck.

This isn't a hard concept, you're spreading your cheeks for corporate cock.

>>383783351
Yeah, but you're executed on sight if you say something that isn't PC and you have to make a yearly pilgrimage to Mecca, so it all kind of evens out.

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>>383783238
They're accurate

>>383779051
We lost the battle for Net Neutrality on November 8th 2016. You are out of your fucking mind if you think NN will be preserved under the Trump administration.

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>>383779051
First of all, i'm glad this is happening, without 4chan, how will all you basement dwelling autists vent your anger on forums? LMAO there is no way to repeal, give up faggots.

>>383783496
>he thinks Hillary is for net neutrality
Just lmaoing at you

>>383783578
He never even implied that, anon. Everyone knows that both are horrible.

>>383783496
Uh, you really think Shillary would be any different on this?

>>383783238
Consider the premise at the top. They basically have a lot of lee way to pick the good ones because the criteria is so simple.

>>383783578
you have any other provs anon?
Camon post links that validate your claim.

>>383783351
>CIA doesn't monitor your search history
Yes they do. Did you not hear about the Snowden leaks?

The focus was on America because he's an American and he released American secrets to the press, but the loophole they were using to spy on Americans was based on FISA, which gives them blanket allowance by the US government to monitor any and all foreign (read: literally every country except the US) digital communications. That includes your search history, your emails, the sites you visit, the numbers you dialed, how long you were on the phone for, etc, etc, etc.

>>383783578
>>383783641
>Hillary Clinton has indicated support for net neutrality. She gave two thumbs up to FCC chairman Tom Wheeler’s proposal for strong net neutrality rules, though admitted it was only a “foot in the door.” Clinton has expressed concern that regulations could mean stagnant competition among service providers, saying “we’ve got to do more about how we incentivize competition in broadband.” And she’s committed to fighting broadband monopolies, citing Google Fiber in Kansas City as a perfect example of what she wants to see everywhere in the US.
Whether Hillary would've been overwhelmingly committed to NN is beside the point, and that is NN has no chance with the current government. You made your beds, time to sleep in them.

NIGGER.

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>>383783442
>Arkansas

>>383783578
How can Trump supporters still use Clinton as their get away free card?!

The fact she would have sucked as a President doesn't automatically make Trump a good one

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>reddit neutrality
fuck OFF

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>>383783539
If 4chan was outlawed, there'd probably be a mass migration to reddit. It'd truly be bizarro /v/.

>>383783638
>>383783638
That is exactly what was implied you moron. He said the the battle was lost when trump was elected. The alternative if it had happened was that the battle would have been won on that day if trump wasn't elected.

>>383783742
first time voter, checked Donald J Trump, most thing I'm proud off in my life, suck my dick bitch

>>383783742
Well if you put it that way, the bed was made like a decade ago. This shit's been a-brewin' since forever, everyone important just looked away.

>>383783773
You made someone laugh today

>>383783385
4chan would likely get banned outright by an FCC controlled by the modern left more interested in progressive wanking and "fighting hate" than actually caring about consumer rights.

Where's the video games?

>>383783881
so why wasnt 4chan banned under obama
could it be because you are a retard

>>383783784
>>383783827
>implying it even matters who you voted for
you're looking at completely the wrong people to help you in this

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