>More powerful than 5th generation consoles >Literally

Controls, an audience that doesn't like spending more then a dollar on a game, and not wanting to deep fry the batteries.

>>383742680

Thats why you use an OTG cable and a PS4 controller you retard

>>383743249
Until a company like Nintendo or Sony makes a smartphone designed to be used with first party attachments like that mobile "gaming" will always be this way.
Normies aren't interested in playing 3DS games on their phones anyway, anyone who does already has a 3DS.

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>>383742548
>>More powerful than 5th generation consoles
>>Literally zero worthwhile games to play
The same thing can be said about PC. And the reason for the lack of games is the same in both cases.

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>>383744292
What's the reasoning for the lack of games, Anon?

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>>383744008

Yeah, if only it worked exactly like that

If only

>>383745927
Pirayes yo

>>383744008
I don't understand why Sony doesn't shows more interest in "gaming" phones. They would only need to create a phone with a gamecard-slot and capable of supporting an attachement the size of a Joycon for it to be a serious competitor to the 3DS and other phones.

>>383746230
I have this. It's clunky and inconvenient as hell. Moreso even than if I just brought a 3DS or Vita with me.

>>383742548
>How can you have so much horse power with literally nothing to show for it.
Why the hell spend time making visually stunning games on mobiles while the best selling and most profitable games are all those infinite MOBAge clones, Tower Defense clones, Jewel clones that can make the sheep spend ungodly amounts of money mining for any challenge of the day?

The mobile market knows very well by now that making 2 dollars games and hundreds of dollars more of side-content is the way to go.

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>>383747595
Their closest bet was the Sony Ericsson line of phones, but unfortunately Sony and anything mobile don't really mix well. They really should try again if they want a better grasp on the smartphone market, should of taken advantage of Nvidia's failure to adapt the Tegra X1 to the market but now that's Nintendo's stuff.

>>383742548
Devs still have to account for people still on their iPhone 5 when making games

>>383747892

Wrong, its just as large if not smaller than other controller solutions and is far more ergonomic than a POS 3DS or Vita

>>383748251
Does anyone know why this phone failed? I can think of a million reason why I would not buy this phone today, but how was it received in 2011?

>>383742548
High end games do exist.

They're just clones of more popular games.

>>383748486
Are you a woman? Unless you have a purse, you're gonna be putting that shit in your pockets. And a DS4 won't fit in anything but cargo pants.

I'm not wearing cargo pants so I can play emulated vidya

>>383742548
5th gen? Current flagship smart phones are closer to 7th gen consoles. That said the average normie consumer isn't interested console style games.

>>383746230
I know it already works.
But until it's all Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, whatever branded normies just won't care.
The market for this kind of shit already has the 3DS, they just got the Switch. It's not worth it, and even if it was nobody would buy another $500-1000 smartphone just to play bing bing wahoo on the go.

>>383748251
I have this, great for emulatiors currently.
I believe playstation was hesitant to let Sony-ericsson make this a fully fledged PS device. shortly after, sony bought out Ericsson's stake in the company

>>383748486
If it can't fit in your pants' pockets next to your actual phone and if you look like an autistic retard in public for using such a montrosity, there's no point in having one.

A Joycon-sized controller would be perfect though.

>>383742548
Clash of Clans killed mobile gaming by being a massive success when the whole "phone gaming" thing was showing potential.

Also, carrying a 3DS or Vita was already a virginity symbol to everyone around them, but at least you could hide those. You can't hide a mobile gaming phone when you have to send a text message or make a call.

>>383748854
>just to play bing bing wahoo on the go
I must also point out that, as you've shown, they're already capable of doing so and they choose not to. It really isn't a market for actual gaming.

Because in practice nobody is going to make anything genuinely intensive because muh battery power, and controls are inherently fucking garbage, and fuck programming shit for android or iOS when you could just x64 and release on three different platforms immediately.

I've been puzzling over this dilemma for some time. It must be possible to engineer a low profile peripheral gamepad attachment with high mechanical reliability. Maybe the Vita was on to something with the backplate digitizer. Why not do something similar with mechanical inputs instead?

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No one's spending money on non-casino games

>>383750059
And even if someone were to make an absolute masterpiece, it'd be buried in the store under piles and piles of shitty games so nobody would ever find it either.

>>383748674
AT&T exclusive, outdated software with no updates, horribly underpowered, lacking loads of features other phones had, bad screen, bad build, bad speakers overpriced, controls were mediocre, was supposed to have a whole line of software and support but literally the only thing it ever got was a rom of crash 1 and that's it, and so on.
It was frankly an absolute piece of shit that's only use was filling it full of emulators and also being able to make calls with it but would've been far better off buying a galaxy phone and a psp that would've been cheaper and do everything a million times better than the Xperia play.
Sony has never made a competent phone and never will.

>>383748674
Software was clunky, didn't play PSP games like everyone immediately assumed it could when they saw it, the best it got was PS1 games and some shitty mobile ports

Analogs sucked (touchpads), it was underpowered and overpriced for the time

>More powerful
And with a 30 minute battery life coupled with a potential fire hazard. I don't know why anyone tries to force this phone's for gaming shit when they turn into miniature firebombs from running anything significant.

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>>383743249
>>383746230
>j-j-just connect a controller to it!
>j-just bring a controller, and the connector with you everywhere!

you guys are such fucking idiots

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>>383742548
As I said, it's a different market. It can take and does have console quality games that are controller compatible, but the majority of consumers looking to play mobile games are looking for something a bit more streamlined. Something to play while on the bus or waiting for an appointment. I don't mean Flappy Birds or some shit I mean like, Death Road to Canada made the mobile transition fairly well and it doesn't really need physical controls.

And that's the thing too. When we here at /v/ say "games" we mean "good exclusives", but really the best "games" on mobile will be console/PC ports that made the transition well like Shadowrun or Binding of Isaac. So while those are good games worth playing on a phone controls or not, they're not really "games" in our sense, they're just portable versions of good games.

>>383743249
You can do those things, but most devs would rather spend the time making a game that at least somewhat works with touch controls rather than supporting niche devices when the "core" gaming audience is likely playing on portable consoles.

>>383747892
>>383748251
The Xperia Play was fucking amazing god damn, Sony are retarded for not giving it another go. My aforementioned controller problems go away if it's built into the phone and you pay Sonybucks at devs to make compatible games.

>>383748674
I had one, hardware was ungodly slow outdated shit even on release and Sony DID NOT pay the big Sonybucks to get enough compatible games. They released liek two PSX ports and that's it.

>>383751782
>hurr durr battery
powerbanks are a normie accessory now anon, I see businessmen on the bus use them so they can be on facebook or whatever all day.

>fire hazard
Le Samsung meme, yes very nice you remember those news articles. Don't buy a Samsung then.

All about money. Why take a gamble with a large scale mobile game when you can make a shit clicker that will easily be more profitable. The business model just isn't there for that caliber of games on a mobile device.

>>383742680
>Controls
Yep
>an audience that doesn't like spending more then a dollar.
You mean an audience that doesn't have a dollar to spend because they are 11 years old.

What's the point of these new iterations of smart phones? What are people using them for that requires so much power? I've been using a Nexus 5 for years and have never once had the thought of upgrading.

>>383753950
>Different market
Yeah, kids. Thats why its garbage.

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>>383755258
still using my LG G3 its like 4 years old now and is fine, runs anything i throw at it.

Clash Royale

Good question. The phones keep getting faster but nobody is actually using any of that power besides browsing youtube and facebook.

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>he spent more than $400 on his phone
snapdragon 808
3gb ram
32gb onboard
fingerprint sensor
wifi calling

does everything i want it to all for $130

>>383755887
k

>>383756342
t. overspent on a phone

>>383757553
>sending green text messages
>bootleg emojis

LMAO stay poor

>>383755887

Its literally made of plastic and can be snapped in half by an 8 year old, also no OTG support

>>383755258
>better cameras for Instagram/Facebook/Snapchat
>better battery life so longer use of Instagram/Facebook/Snapchat
>newer software so is able to update and use newest versions of Instagram/Facebook/Snapchat

>>383757831
does the baby break his electronics regularly?

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>>383757641
>not spending hundreds on a phone with specs that make no significant difference makes you poor
>>383757831
non-issue as long as you aren't a retard that beats the fuck out of your devices

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>>383743249
Why would you need a wire when can just push and hold the share and home button and the bluetooth on your phone would detect it.

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>>383757641
Notice anything about the girls in this pic?

>>383742548
Phones today are almost PS360 power.
You retarded, OP?

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>>383742548
>How can you have so much horse power with literally nothing to show for it.

Can someone give me a quick redpill on why people buy $600-$800 phones? People literally only use them for social media and cameras which any cheap $80-$120 phone can do.

>>383758421
Why then do all of the games look worse than ps2 games?
>inb4 infinity blade
Game is garbage and looks terrible.

>>383758175
you act like spending hundreds of dollars on a phone with a better OS and seamless integration with tons of shit is a bad thing. enjoy your homemade programs you master coder xD

>>383758280
they aren't plebs

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>>383758621
boy you really don't remember how PS2 games look, huh?

>>383755887
>does everything i want it to all for $130
Damn shame it won't work on Verizon. Basically the only game in town where I live.

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>>383742548

>>383758085
>>383758175


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU6Tv-OfXk0

Its a marshmallow, your pocket could bend it

>>383758205

OTG has faster response bluetooth, better for emulators

>>383758738
Mate I collect ps2 games and play them on original hardware.
On a proper CRT they all look better than any phone shit.
Just face it, mobile games are trash and anybody who plays them are a dumb fucking normie cunt.

>>383758509
Why go to cheap $100 phones? My Axon 7 was $250 and is damn powerful. Brand is the only reason to buy something expensive.

>>383758509
if you look at it realistically, it doesn't make sense - no one should be able to explain it. people buy the new iphone/galaxy for snapchat... but it could work 3 generations ago. there is no redpill, it literally is people getting bested by advertisement. unless you're some sort of heavy mobile gamer (which even then), it doesnt make sense, and never will

>>383758509

I wish I knew. I have a 9$ a month plan so I always have to pay full price for my phones. I recently got a Moto G5 for 135$ through my carrier. Seems like a pretty solid piece of hardware for that price.

But I still won't game on it. I tried playing some Fate/GO and the thing got super fucking hot, and the battery drains really fast.

Meanwhile my PSvita which is no where near as powerful plays games that look much better for longer without heating up.

Phone gaming is never going to be a thing because phones aren't made for anything more than incidental gaming with shitty flash games. Because they have to be as thin and light as possible, they have 0 heat dissipation, so even if they're super power, you can't game with them. And since gaming drains their battery so fast along with all the other phone systems, you can't use the phone as a phone if you game with it.

Why the fuck can't Sony just release a hardware update for the Vita.. Don't spend a ton of cash on R&D for it. Just get good modern hardware and slap it in a revision. God damnit.

>>383758801
>pointer+pinkie.....

......
......
.......

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>>383758701
>implying its hard to install a custom rom
>paying $600+ for a stock os because it just werks

>>383759051
Even heavy mobile gamers don't need to spend that much, but they'd need a brain.

>>383750464
>in steam library for whatever reason
Should I install it? Is it good?

>>383758205
semen demon

>>383749527
>bing bing wahoo
Sony-cucks are pathetic

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I really want an IPhone SE. The thing costs less than $200 now.

I want it because I hate big phones and It's literally the best small phone you can buy.

>>383753039
>he doesn't have a controller on him at all times
What if someone challenges you to a match?

>>383753039
sounds like sour grapes to me

>>383759051
tech has become the new fashion. people buy a new wardrobe every season, they'll buy a new (insert electronic here) with the same intensity

>>383759293
Definitely. Worldbuilding and soundtrack are great and its nested functions system of powerups gives a shitload of room to make custom power setups

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>>383758852
>deliberately attempt to break phone
>it breaks

>>383759468

A vita takes less extra space than a controller... so why bother bringing a controller for your phone when you could just bring a Vita and not deplete your phones battery, or fry it's internals from the heat since they have no dissipation?

Phone gaming makes no sense.

>>383742548
Touch controls is fucking shit for most games and is often poorly implemented.

>>383742548
>5th gen
You say that like it's impressive

>>383759401
BING BING

WAHOO

YAHOO

IT'S A ME

DING DING DING

BOING

LET'S A GO

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

MARIO TIME

>>383759801
Here's my impression of a PSV game:

>>383754081
>le samsung meme
No fuck off you. Every phone I've ever used to do anything significant, even just multi tasking with multiple windows ends up with the damn thing feeling hot to the touch. That's just over heating. These devices aren't designed to be running significant applications.

>>383759626
vita or controller, why in general? it's more space you have to carry on the move. have a phone with a kindle or a classic game for the subway ride... you don't need to be carrying some big ass usb controller around just like you don't need to be carrying a vita around. phone+wallet+keys

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>>383759863
>Literally nonexistent

HOW WILL PS VITA BROS RECOVER?

>>383759869
>tfw my iphone 5 has never overheated

Literally the best phone ever.

>>383759401
Sorry my mistake
>HYAAA
>HYAAHH
>HUP!
>*Ocarina noises*

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>>383759863
>>383759946
>24:18
>25:18

pathetic

>>383759996
except it's an iphone

>>383759869
This, I own a galaxy S4 running a nougat rom and the thing gets pretty hot
There's just not enough power to do all these things modern phones can do on such shitty hardware

>>383746230
This isn't any better than *BING BING 1UP WAHOO* and you know it.

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>>383760059
What's an appropriate time for someone to reply with you shitting your pants?

>>383760063
It works and does all the things I want it to do just fine with no slowdown or weird issues.

I really don't see a problem with iphones as long as you don't pay more than $100 for one.

>>383758776
lg g4 is basically the same phone with a 1440p display. can be had for the same price as the robin used or a little more new.

>>383759559
>marshmallows are EXTREMELY durable as long as you don't try to break them

>>383755887
godamn I wish I had gotten this, it's aesthetic as fuck

I'm satisfied with my moto g4 though

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>>383760216
>What's an appropriate time for someone to reply with you shitting your pants?
>getting this butthurt he screencaps AND edit's out the (you)

confirmed shitposter and underage, this is your last (you)

>>383760057
Typical Vita game: onichan baka! ayyyyye *moan* iku iku iku!

>>383759559

I'll bet you'll be surprised that not everything is built to quality

>>383760105
>Not enough power
I wouldn't say it's the power, it's the form factor.

>>383759746
You can literally type faster with swype than with both hands and a physical keyboard once you learn it

>>383760350
>Confirmed
Stay mad little bitch, you were so buttravaged that someone agreed with me that you couldn't accept it and assumed I was replying to myself

>>383760356
Damn you got me.

>>383759923

Well the point here was you wanted to game. Obviously if you're just going from point A to point B in a relatively short time or driving, why bother with anything but phone, wallet, keys. But if you know you'll be spending X time doing nothing, like a 40 minute public transit commute, then you could read or game on your phone - but it'll fucking suck. So either you bring an ereader to read, and if you want to game, you bring a controller or a vita.

The scenario here is you want to game. In which case the Vita wins hands down. It takes less space, doesn't eat your battery, doesn't reduce your phones lifespan, and has actual games. Bringing along a controller to try to make a non-gaming device into a gaming device doesn't work.

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>>383760350
I lose my shit when this cunt disappears

Turns out that shitty freemium games where a few dumbasses actually shell out money for pointless upgrades is easier to develop and market than full games that have a single upfront cost.

>>383746230
Why the fuck even use your phone at this point

>>383748820
>he doesn't have a belt holster for his DS4 w/ phone holder
Casual.

>>383760105
what people don't understand about phones is the amount of shit it takes for verification working the keys. that s4 is like 2012-2014 era, and that's the real dawn of LTE (4g is a meme), it's working CDMA and GSM modern tech. all the processing power is going to keeping the phone out of the networks black box in a consistent pattern trying to triangulate off of the towers while keeping a consistent connection. You turn off the network, thing will run like melted butter, but then you have a gameboy instead of a phone. trade off one utility for another.

>>383742548
It's the same thing I tell anyone who asks why VR is doing horribly.

The format, the traditional "video game", doesnt work for those specific platforms.

Phones arent meant to have games designed like what we play on the PC. Games should be used around the phone's useage. Such as games that use a person's mobility like Pokemon Go, think tag on a game network that puts you up with others close by, or even just sitting back with tycoon type games.

If you want youe super master race games the play it on whatever system is mustard rice.

Mobile games should have their own formula.

>>383760356

Are there really people rude enough to use ANY device with the speaker volume in a public area or public transit? Either you use headphones or turn the sound off...

>>383758509
I bought an $800 phone recently (Xperia ZX Premium) and I can't really tell you why. The games I play do look much prettier on it than they did on my old phone, though.

Mostly I just have too much money and too little sense.

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>>383760281
>old nexus had the same level of build quality
>somehow never snapped it in half after 5 years

>>383760603
>why VR is doing horribly.

Can't you just use a VR headset as a monitor replacement tough? Like without any headtracking gimmick? Just use it as a monitor that is always centered on your eyes no matter what position you're in, and is less strain on the eyes.

Or does the game HAVE to be made for VR?

>>383760621
You're right, people don't actually play their games at full volume on a bus
But it's the only argument Sonyfags have when it comes to the Switch

What are some good games to emulate on my phone? Playing through my favorite Pokemon games right now, was thinking about playing through the FF games next.

>>383760552
Oh shit, we posted 1 minute and 4 seconds apart
>inb4 "samefagging again!"

>>383742548
What games do I play if I can't emulate and don't like normie trash or turn-based games?

>>383760281
is it really that hard to believe that people can't just take care of their phones? If you're that worried about it then just get a case, it shouldn't be that big of an issue.

>>383759869
Yeah, hardware gets hot when it runs stuff. You know computers and laptops do the same?

Phone getting a little hot != fire hazard. The Note7 literally burst into flame because of a design flaw in the batteries, just having your phone get hot isn't going to kill you unless it's a piece of shit Samsung thing.

My dad just got an S7 Edge and the thing is fucking bricked like fucking hell.

>>383761281
>Yeah, hardware gets hot when it runs stuff. You know computers and laptops do the same?

You know computers and laptops have active cooling right? You know why desktop hardware has 2X the lifespan of Laptops? Better cooling. Same reason why phone hardware has such a low lifespan. No cooling.

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>>383760816

>>383761771
meant for >>383761556

>>383758908
How bitter are you about your virginity?

>>383747595
They have enough trouble breaking into the market with their standard smartphone lineup. Plus their more recent forays into portable gaming didn't end so well.

>Absolutely no entry barrier, store is flooded with garbage and good things hidden
>Fragmented market to the point not even resolutions can be taken for granted
>Market unwilling to pay for games upfront
>Part of the market that would be interested in good games already has other hardware to get that
>Touch controls
Yes, truly a mystery OP.

>>383742548

Mobile gaming went to shit because apple and google allowed f2p crap on their stores. As a result, ALL games have to start at free or people will not bother period. Word of mouth is nonexistent thanks to the lack of any sort of QC meaning everything is flooded with shit. On top of that, once you update your phone every year all your older games won't work anymore.

It's unfotunate, but not unexpected. Maybe when the current dotcom bubble pops will enough blood be shed where mobile gaming can rebuild itself through a dedicated mobile gaming store (something like steam for phones), one with strict quality control policies.

>>383747595
>I don't understand why Sony doesn't shows more interest in "gaming" phones.
Because it alienates infinite amounts of people.
You would lose:
-all people who are extremely loyal to Samsung/Apple
-people who simply dont want to buy a new phone
-people who want to keep their mobiles and videogames seperate

Its just not a great idea. Its why I insult people who demand a Nintendo phone all the time.
Also imagine what kind of hell we would live in if every console manufacturer started making gaming phones.
You'd need multiple expensive as shit phones just to keep up with games.

>mfw never get a game like bar oasis again

>>383761475
If you believe the marketing, Samsung and I think Apple were already looking into cooling solutions for their phones, I remember reading the S7 had... some cooling thing.

Regardless, the original point I was refuting was that hot phones were a fire hazard. They're not, even if hot phones aren't good it won't literally kill you unless it's a Note 7.

I get overheating phones being bad, but the original post I was replying to made it sound like anon was paranoid and thinking all phones should always be ice cold under operation. I have used shit phones that get too hot to touch, my current phone is a beast that never gets hotter than "kinda warm" even under heavy load.

>>383762762
How about
>make Vita 2
>it's the same shape as xperia play with slide out keyboard
>can be used as phone but also play vita games
Like how the Switch can be portsble but you don't have to use it like that.

Only problem is price though since high-end phones tend to be double the price of a console.

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>>383758509
People sign up 1-2 year contracts that come with a new phone so they keep on paying them while grabbing that new phone every 1-2 years.

Many barely understand that they are paying off the phone with the contract payments as its just the phone cost spread across two years.

You can milk a lot of money out of people by charging them little monthly rather than big upfront.
Just look at all the modern consoles charging for online.

>>383761281
>>383761475
Even the switch has fans built in.
First time I've ever seen a handheld come with fans, but it makes sense.
The graphics are getting too good for passive cooling.

>>383760794
>Can't you just use a VR headset as a monitor replacement tough

In theory you could. But for now the resolution is poor and at least the Vive wouldnt be that comfortable to be wearing constantly. Kinda heavy in the front. gets a bet hot and muggy strapped to your head (at just the right angle and tightness so it doesn't look blurry), Bright screen filling your vision an inch away from your eyeballs for hours.

>>383742548
>not meant for playing games on
>zero buttons
>most of it is meant to squeeze as much money out of whales as possible
>anything that's actually on it that isn't a microtransaction fest is dumbed down severely due to zero buttons

It's a waste of time, there's no point.

>>383748486
>Wrong, its just as large if not smaller than other controller solutions
Yes, meaning large, bulky, and shit. At that point it makes more sense to get a separate system for emulation. A GPD XD is flatter and will actually fit in your pocket next to your smartphone, and that way you don't have to worry about running down your smartphone's battery while you're emulating (emulation being the only worthwhile gaming experience on smart devices to begin with)

Really, forget about controller attachments. Until some company somewhere realizes that a slide-out controller design is literally the best idea anyone has ever had for smartphones ever, smartphone gaming will remain crippled and non-viable.

>>383763008
Price is the issue. If you want to use the thing as a phone too you will need to put in actual hardware for that and also put more time and money into R&D.

I could buy a Vita for 250€ (lets ignore the card ripoffs), but I dont know if many people would be willing to buy a 600€ Vita when they already have the newest Galaxy thing when they only want to use the Vita for games.

Way too niche.

>>383742548
literally jews being jews
>tons of pay2win shit
>the idea of "energy", forcing you to cough up real money to get around it
>ads ads ads ads
>chinese and indian "devs" making clones of everything
And this is just the tip of the iceberg

>>383747595
>What is Xperia Play
>What is SideKick
>What is N-Gage

The idea of making a potable mobile phone, with decent specs, that is able to specialize in playing games has been done a few times before.

The market just is not there quite yet, despite the fact that the tech has now caught up to it.

Until Nintendo goes in and makes a Nintendo phone, normies will just keep ignoring the idea.

>>383758280
Can someone explain whats happening here?

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>>383759419
>work at phone place
>mfw people say dumb fucking shit like "wow, this [high end smartphone or iphone] doesn't cost anything now!!!"

Say what you like about PCs and consoles, but at least there are devs on them that embedded in the culture of video games, have figures they look up to in its history, and want to be a part of it by making games that are enjoyed and remembered. Not so for mobile gaming, where games are an afterthought for the money-minded

>>383760105
>running unofficial Nougat on S4

well there's your problem, bub

>>383755258
well for one I can finally use Dolphin's Android port to play Gamecube/Wii at full speed and sound on my S8+, the chipset is that good

>>383764258
Non iPhone texts appear green instead of blue on iPhones so it immediately identifies you as a poorfag who has to use some shitty lagdroid junk.

Sell a phone with built on buttons or a controller in the box and force devs to use them.
Its the only way.

>>383764610
>high end phone from 3 years ago
>still can make calls, send messages and use the internet

What is the problem?