>dude is like 30 years old who has killed at least one person

Kojima says BB is better than Solid because he has "feelings".

He wasn't even redpilled on murica's shittiness at that point

>>383741547
How should he surprised.

just had a wank lads

>>383740306
He never had to kill someone who actually mattered to him before.

>>383741061
Which is bullshit. Snake had PTSD due to the events of Zanzibar. He was upset about Campbell keeping shit from him. He was clearly distraught about Meryl and Grey Fox. In MGS4, he was obviously going through a very difficult time of his life.

>>383740306
>Loss of innocence
Loss of faith in his country*

>>383741061
Snake, Snake had a hard life

>>383741987
what were you wankin to

>>383742078
Snake's biggest issue was that he was too self aware to end up the way Big Boss did, so he had no real outlet for his pain. Big Boss directed his pain in the form of rebellion and revenge. Snake couldn't really do the same.

>>383740306
I mean, the MILF who was like a mother to him that he was also banging allowed her country to kill her because they fucked up by giving nukes to a megalomaniac commie. That might fuck a person up a bit.

>>383741061
Kojima says BB is better because Fukushima had bigger influence on writing Solid's personality than him.

>>383742426
>he was also banging
This isn't true at all.

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>>383742426
>he banged the Boss

I dunno about that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K91Wb-UDLlk

Big Boss was extremely autistic.

>>383742576
>>383742628
>Big "Handsome" Boss trains under MILF from age 15 to 30
>they didn't bang

>>383740306

>Innocence
That is only a word The Boss used. The Cobra Unit probably did some really fucked up shit in their time Snake never even thought of at that point. And she used the word innocence in comparsion to them.

>>383742807
someone should draw ss

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>>383742869
This.

Jack was emotionally stunted and subjected to constant conflict since he was a teenager. He was 15 when he fought in the Korean War. During this period, his only consistent mentor and parental figure was The Boss.

Her betrayal was likely the first time he had to question his allegiance.

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>>383742869
>>383743440
You think they haven't?

>>383743720
mods are asleep
dump moar quick

>>383743720
muh dick

>>383742219
some japanese bird with massive tits

>>383742807
>EVA: "Like a lover?"
>Snake, kinda disgusted: "No, nothing like that."

Plus, The Boss loved the Sorrow.

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>>383743720
>b-boss

>>383745143
That reminds me, going through EVA's medical history and seeing breast enhancement got a chuckle out of me the first time i saw it.

>>383745502
fuck you

>>383740306
There's a difference between killing a literally who and killing your friends and your mom you fucking idiot.

>>383745748
What's that difference wise one?

>used to be 3 > 2 no exceptions
>now /v/ universally hates boss, 1 and 3

What the fuck happened? Where did the others go?

>>383746603
Wtf????? Where did you come up with that?

>>383742576
>>383742628
t. children

>>383745143
You fucked it up
She asks
>Eva: And your lover?
>Snake: It went deeper than that.
>Eva: Deeper?
>Snake: Half of me belongs to The Boss.
>Eva: Do you love her?
>Snake: No, nothing like that.

>>383742576
>>383742628
>during Virtuous Mission it is heavily implied that The Boss gave Naked Snake the Japanese mom treatment and taught him to masturbate
Something tells me their relationship was a little bit fucked up, senpai. They might as well have been.

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>>383740306
A U T I S M
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>>383748370
Well, I got the gist of it. Snake denies romantic feelings for The Boss either way.

>>383748758
Doesn't mean they didn't have sex you moron
Have you never had non-romantic sex with someone you cared about and respected?

>>383740306

It's not loss of innocence in general, the theme is the choice between loyalty to your own self or loyalty to your country.

>>383748880
No, I've neved had sex before.

Did the Cobra Unit actually defect with Boss, unaware that she was being a super special quintuple agent?

Or were they just tired of life and said, fuck ot, let's get killed by John Doe?

>>383749693

Their loyalty was in the Boss, not the mission, or honor or even their country.

>>383749891
That didn't explain the question at all...

>>383749971
ur dumbie

>>383749693
I think they all had their own reasons. The End wanted to enjoy one last battle against a worthy opponent. The Fury just wanted everything to burn. The Pain and Fear embodied the emotions of pain and fear in battle, so I don't think it's hard to imagine why they did what they did. Given their respective emotions, I don't think either of them enjoyed war.

>>383742078
Snake had a hard life

>>383750206
Still doesn't explain anything. I'll just stick to your first sentence there and consider it a plothole.

>>383750287
Big Boss and Zero spent their lives making constant mistakes. Snake spent his life fixing their mistakes and suffering their karma.

>>383750586
They went in fully expecting to die, man.

>>383740306
He's innocent in the sense that he belives in his country and his mission.

Snake Eater changes all that.

>>383741061
Sort of. A lot of Japs are into stuff like souls/spirits and superstitions and shit. Since Snake is a clone and unnatural, and by their standards he technically wouldn't have a soul. BB is the original and therefore more "human". I think Kojima mentioned it somewhere. Solid is more likeable than BB imo.

Were Otacon and Big Boss the only ones who really understood Snake?

>>383740306
>loss of innocence

More like loss of ignorance.

kojima sucks at characterization

I lost all respect for kojima when he said he wanted to have less silly shit in mgsv because he wanted to tell a serious story
who the fuck does he think is?

>>383751478
he thinks he a kinographer

>>383749971
>>383750586
holy shit you're retarded

>>383751541
how can one man be so mistaken
it's like a clown thinking he is a shakespearean actor

>>383749971
they never had to defect because they never swore loyalty to the country. they pledged their allegiance to the boss, they were her unit. whatever they did, she did. technically they were disbanded in the 40s and were reassembled during the virtuous mission. the fury and the sorrow were actually soviets, but the cobra unit was there to fight nazis, so there was collaboration allowed between the USSR and the States

>>383752036
not true. consider that your great strength is also your greatest weakness. Kojima's desire to be a filmmaker is what has always pushed MGS to be something unique and special. But Kojima has also benefitted from being reeled in. We'll see how death stranding turns out...

>>383740306
what dude

what are you talking about

Ok, please spoonfeed me. Are Jack and David Big Bosses' and Snake's names?

>>383752634
>kojima benefits from being reeled in
>DS is based on some writings about our beginnings with the stick and the rope
>a stick and a rope can make a fishing rod
>tons of dead sea life
>kojima is no longer being reeled in
>kojima is trying to reel you in
>and you'll take the bait

>>383752792
jack/john is the name of big boss. david is solid's name. jack is also the name of raiden. eli is liquid,

>>383750948

But Solid Snake has a soul. It's currently inside a bamboo sword.

>>383752792

John is Big Boss's name. Jack is a familiar name used only by the Boss. His full name is probably John Doe. David is Solid, Liquid is Eli and Jack is Raiden. Venom is Medic and do we know Solidus' real name?

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>>383752717
Metal Gear Solid 3 the video game

>>383754172
well he went by george sears when he was pres. so i guess george?

>>383746378
One is killing someone you don't give a shit about, the other would be like killing a part of yourself.

If you can't understand the difference, congrats, you are on the spectrum.

>>383754243
Dude you know there are tons of games set in a tropical jungle, it could be any of them

>>383754240

I really hated Venom at first but in time I grew to love him more than Solid. Venom had a hard life.

>tfw Venom's memes>Big Boss' genes

>>383754423
You'd think one the older military big wigs would have noticed that the new Commander in Chief was the spitting image of Big Boss. Unless the patriots kept it hush-hush.

>>383752452
Dude I don't care, none of that explains what their agenda was during Snake Eater specifically.

>>383742731
That scene was cute

And for some reason I feel like him stomping on his cigar is kind of a big deal.

>>383755565
alright, i'll slow it down for you. "their loyalty was to the boss." the bosses weren't very well fleshed out (but the bosses always were this way) so the motivation is simple. they don't even mention what any of them were doing in the time between when they were disbanded and snake eater. though what we do know about them is they want to die in battle, so if the boss comes around with a purpose to carry emotion into battle, they hop on board. we've seen how charismatic and commanding the boss is, so why would anyone not go by her suggestion?

>>383757116
Yeah sorry dude that didn't answer my question I have downs

>>383742159

>It's a Hideo Kojima redpills an entire industry game.

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>>383748640
>May avoid eye contact

>>383742424

Agreed. Solid was well aware of the bullshit he's been put through, but didn't have the drive and independence to go out guns blazing. The fact he nearly an heros is proof positive.

Meanwhile, Big Boss decides to start a mercenary force and then take on the illuminati.

Then he brainwashes some random medic to do the same goddamn thing. So basically, Snake is so pussified that he has less agency that some random field medic.

I'm just kidding, I love solid.

>>383755004

Corrupted JCOS, All outsiders directly involved with the conspirators were dead by that point with Anderson and Clark keeping the show running in David's (Zero) absence, Solidus could have literally been a charismatic Donald Trump in the public eye for all anyone knows.

The only question I really wanted an answer to at this point is just what their actual ranks and roles were prior to the CIA. Like what the hell was the Boss supposed to be? You explain that away and you could make definitive sense of her relationship with "Jack" (John Doe isn't his real name; He was joking with Paramedic--His real name, like the phantom, is never stated).

Correction--I meant to type JCS but it could be the full body or the DJS, CJCS, vice chairman, or any combination.

>>383754030
Lol'd hard

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>>383754240
I love Venom solely cause of the chief's voice
>tfw only Kief's voice sounds appropriate for BB's lines now

>>383754030
They really dropped the ball on that one, even SS himself admitted he was a killer, why encase his soul in a non-lethal sword?

>>383758170

>>383758170

The guy didn't even try. Absolutely no effort.
He could have been great but he's only a more acceptable BB than Hayter. Frankly they should have gotten someone else and put the money saved back into the game. Fuck Avi Arad.

>>383757628
>random

Medic was the best soldier on Mother Base. His TPP stats are even higher than BB's stats in PW. He wasn't a random medic and its implied that him and Big Boss were personal friends. He's basically whoever your favorite recruit was in PW.

>>383748880

>Have you never had non-romantic sex with someone you cared about and respected?

Oh. c'mon. You knew full well what the answer was. That was cruel.

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>>383758441
>The guy didn't even try. Absolutely no effort
Are you deaf? He did a perfect job in GZ and the few lines he had in TPP were all god-tier

>>383758287

Why treat an easter egg exclusive to Japan as anything but?

>>383758578
It wasn't a Jap exclusive though

>>383757642

His real name is John. That's what everyone calls him, except the Boss, who uses Jack as a nickname to show how close they are. There is no reason why Zero would call him John if it wasn't his real name.

>>383758567
Very good indeed, his delivery was perfect

>>383758287

Snake stopped killing after MGS2.

>>383758567

The only line of his acting that stood out to me was the last scream he gives near the end of Paz's final cutscene. Christopher Randolph has been fucking horrible too; Semi unrelated note.

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I don't really see why people like Solid Snake now that Plisskin exists. It's a fucking tragedy that we never saw him again after 2.

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>>383755004
Solidus aged faster than Solid and Liquid did

back in 2005, he might have looked a lot younger than during the Big Shell Incident

>>383758850
That scream when the dead MSF soldier falls in his arms is god-tier too. His lisp is god-tier cause it sounds pretty cool and is funny at the same time

>>383758170
Same, though him being dead-silent is jarring. It's not the sparse dialogue, but dude doesn't event grunt or pant or anything.

Aside. I liked Ocelot's character, but I just couldn't believe it was Ocelot. Baker's interviews suggests it was deliberate.

>>383758793
Every boss dies in MGS4 though, and he kills a shitload of Tengu in mgs2

>>383758953
Plisken is Snake you fucktard.

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>>383741061
>Kojima says BB is better
>Snake kills BB twice
>Snake still outlives BB despite his accelerated aging

Kojima is full of shit.

>>383758619

I'll have to correct myself then. I can tell you Solid Snake's dialogue isn't in the NA release. As to the sword itself I actually don't remember whether or not it was exclusive to the Japanese version, but Snake's dialogue definitely was. They never implemented it in English.

Gonna double check but that's still more like an easter egg imo.

>>383759067
Ocelot was a total miss for me, his personality changed too much, it was supposed to be closer to his MGS1 KGB spook one not a full-on cowboy yeehaw bullshit. RDJ was the one that did a perfect job though

>>383759130

nonsense ;^)

>>383759159

The description says that Snake's soul is in the sword.

>>383759130
>Plisken is Snake

You can't just lie on the internet like that. Snake wears a headband and it clearly says that's Iroquois Pliskin.

>>383758793
Well I mean, he had every intent of putting a bullet in Ocelot's head, and he succeeded in putting one in Vamp's

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>>383759130

>>383759313
that's different, Vamp is immortal and Ocelot is his nemesis

>>383759551
lmao

>>383759073
That's a misconception. You can beat the B&Bs without killing them. The proof is that if you beat them by draining their stamina, the nanomachines in their bodies don't burst into flames. If you do kill them, they do.

>>383759551
heh :)

>>383759594
they kind of shrivel up no matter what

>>383759551
geez

just get the fuck out of this already pls

>>383759551
Personally I didn't think it was that funny but it didn't irritate me a bunch
Calm down

9 YEARS?

>>383759551
Snake died on that tanker 2 years ago.

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>>383759551
We're all at different places in life. This anon is apparently in a place where he reasoned out this this is the best response to a joke he didn't like.

Reflect upon this and feel good that you're not him /v/

>>383759217
Even in mgs1 he was full of himself. Mgsv took all his cocky snark away

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>>383759876
NORSOKOMA

>>383759752
But the fact that their nanomachines don't burn up is proof they're alive.

>>383759967
Sheeet what was it

>>383760231
He still more or less murders Liquid

>>383760268
Just an autistic fit at this >>383758953

>>383760278
nah

that was FOXDIE as well

>>383760278
That was FOXDIE.

>>383760425
>>383760440
he wouldn't have let him live even if foxdie didn't finish him

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>>383759156

>Gets "Killed" by Solid twice
>Builds up a nuclear equipped army of diehard loyal mercenaries twice
>Fools the CIA and later the patriots into thinking he's actually dead twice
>Snake lives to the ripe old age of his early 40's
>Big Boss is 79 when he finally dies... by his own choice
>Big Boss achieved saw his goal of removing the patriots from existence come to fruition, even if not by his own hands.

BB is best.

Snake is someone who tries not to kill unnecessarily. In the beginning of the Big Shell chapter, he leaves a bunch of guards unconscious, but none of them dead. However, when he feels that it's unavoidable, he'll kill without hesitation, as seen in Arsenal Gear. He also pukes and loses a huge chunk of psych if he kills too much in MGS4.

Snake personally believes that killing is wrong, no matter the reason. However, he also knows that sometimes, he can't really avoid it. All he can do is try to take as few lives as possible.

>>383760727
BB literally spent half his life in a coma though

>>383760727
>tfw dad finally hugs you
A nice touch. But I'm still on the fence about MGS4's 'happy' ending.

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>>383759130
Oh now thats silly
Snake died on that tanker two years ago

Call me a faggot but I still prefer David hayter to kief

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>>383759551
wew

>>383759752

That's in every game since MGS1 though. The game finds a way for the characters to die, but you not be responsible if you went non-lethal.

Like the cobras exploding in MGS3 if they're defeated. Ethically speaking, after the first one exploded and you talk to your codec team Naked should have known the repercussions for beating any of them is death regardless of the actions he takes. Engaging in a fight and simply surviving is a death sentence for them, so it's really just the spirit of how you fight them that matters.

Which in all things being fair, puts you at a disadvantage because lethal armaments are more plentiful and more powerful against most of the bosses. So you're fighting clean for something that's ethically been decided by someone else, they all go into the fight knowing that if they lose they're going to die. So what difference should it make to you as the player?

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How does a man become this sexy? Is it humanly possible? Can I achieve it?

Why did Solid have to suffer so much? BB and Cipher literally ruined his life.

>>383761269
They turned a shitty medic into it while he was in a coma, so yes

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>>383761121
FUCK OFF PEDO-LOVING FAGGOT
GO BACK TO /POL/ AND STAY THERE

>>383760809
Jesus fuck why does /v/ like him so much?

He's practically a reddit libtard

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>Big Boss spends his entire life trying to figure out what The Boss was even trying to tell him
>he still never understood it, not until MAYBE the very end, and he fucked everything up in the process

>Solid Snake never met The Boss or really knew anything about her
>he realized her will for the world without even knowing it because he's not a dumbass

This is why Solid is so much better

>>383760809
>t. solid snake
stop lying to yourself
you enjoy the all the killing

>>383761435
>has killed many people
>watched comrades die
>doesn't want to kill anyone anymore

What a left leaning faggot amirite?

>>383761435
ow the edge

>>383758953
Snake died on that tanker

>>383761269

You failed the genetic lottery and are not living in the future, filthy rich.

Kill yourself to roll again?

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>>383761179
MGS4 has a bunch of shootout scenes, where I just - quite honestly - feel like a cuck for choosing the non-lethal method.

I mean. I'm on a motorbike, chased by mercs with MGs and rocket launchers.

would Snake truly rely on a tranquilizer gun and some flashbangs in this situation, instead of spraying them full of lead?

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>>383762158
>you failed the genetic lottery

So did Solid Snake

>>383762319
and he surpassed it!

So is MGS more liberal or conservative?

>>383762681
no

I don't know why but this series remind sme so much of JOJO so much...

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>>383762681
MGS is about allowing the people of the world to choose for themselves and not be led by doctrines or weapons or genetic destiny or any of that, you fool

That's what The Boss wanted, for people to fight for what they believe in rather than just for the country they live in

>>383762185
I played non-lethal on later runs for fun
I enjoyed it more for the most part but I really wish there were more non-lethal options in these games
v-ring shotguns were nice tho

>>383762861
So, it's anti Jap?

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>>383762861
This

>>383762861
I'll accept that I'm a retard, but I still don't get it.

Why did she sacrifice her life for her country if she thinks that people should be loyal to themselves?

>>383763493
>Why did she sacrifice her life for her country if she thinks that people should be loyal to themselves?
Because if she didn't the world would've been destroyed in nuclear war.

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>>383763493
Because she also doesn't want the threat of nuclear war to rule the world. She "defected" in order to learn what she could about Shagohod, and when things escalated, the only way to prevent Russia from launching nukes was to take the fall.
Peace Walker was all about deterrence, that's why Boss' consciousness killed the Peace Walker. What she stands for more than anything is ensuring that forces over people's heads don't control them, especially not nukes.
If the Russians are building a mobile nuclear launch platform, yeah she's gonna stop them.

That's the tragedy of Big Boss forming the Patriots. He completely misunderstood her intent. He created the exact type of thing she opposed from the start in an effort to follow her will.
He created a nation of soldiers to give them purpose, thinking that "the survivor will carry on the fight" meant that soldiers will never be free from battle, when what she meant was that the one who survives is the one who gets to live out their own beliefs.
What she says and what Armstrong say ultimately aren't that different, it's just that Armstrong was an extremist and, again, was becoming a one-man illuminati to accomplish it.

She believes in self determination in the same way Solid does. Don't let your genetics, your past, or any of that determine what you do. Not "fuck everybody but me."

>>383740306
he has to kill his mentor and pseudo-mom

>>383764317
That was beautiful anon, I think I"m going to dust off my PSP and finally play Peacewalker.

>>383761269
anyone can achieve this body, just lift weights and eat until you have visible body fat

>>383760809
He's only like that because Liquid blew him the fuck out in his speech at the end and Solid just can't deal with it

>"we gotta make another big boss cause they want to kill him"
>nobody kills venom or even really comes close after the hospital

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>>383764317
Nice

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>>383761661
The entire fucking series is about MULTIPLE people misinterpreting the Boss' will

>>383758170
I liked Kiefer but he never really sold the 'charismatic mercenary leader' like Akio did. The cutscene after you rescue DD is a good example of this, you hear Akio chuckle and joke around whereas Kiefer just sounds like he's against the whole thing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vMNRa65LSnU

Overall I think Akio does a better job of personifying the legend of Big Boss, while Kiefer sounds like a worn-out soldier who needs a rest.

>>383765626
establishing Zanzibarland would have been a lot harder with Skullface interfering

>>383764954
>and eat until you have visible body fat
?

>>383766147
why couldn't big boss kill him?
why couldn't big boss just do literally everything venom did? what was the point of the stupid twist fucking kojima

>>383766183
no visible abs

>>383766356
Oh. Thank you for clarifying.

>>383757116
>>383757169
Fucking christ. Im not asking about the pseudo plot that the games give. I was wondering what actually fucking went through the Cobra members' heads during Snake Eater.

>>383766531
>Man why didn't I wait until I was outside the cave before doing this shit?

>>383766531
>THE BOSS WANTS SOME HELP
>LETS FOLLOW HER
There, simple enough for you?

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>>383764317
Bravo, Anon
Quality post

>>383765626

That's because they underestimated how fucking good Venom was. He killed Skull Face, he killed the Skulls, he created Outer Heaven, he was fucking unstoppable. The only reason they even got close at the hospital was because Venom's body was still atrophied to shit. Yet in the week of transit frome Crete to Afganistan, Venom did years worth of physical therapy and went from sticklet to top tier aesthetic body. Only the greatest soldier who ever lived was able to take his life.

>>383766268

Because Big Boss is shit. That's what the whole second half of TPP was about. Big Boss didn't even sneak through Tselinoyarsk without Skull Face cleaning up after him.

>>383765958

Kiefer was good when he got lines to say. His best performance was in Episode 51 when he tells Eli to blame him. If only Kojima didn't go retarded after watching Drive and cut the dialogue then Kiefer's Big Boss would have been better receieved.

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>>383766268
Maybe he could have, but the point is his life was at risk so they threw someone else under the bus to take the heat off of him. Zero didn't give a fuck about whether Venom could handle himself against Skull Face or not since he was expendable, just like everyone else in that hospital. Wasn't the point of Les Enfants Terribles that Zero wanted to preserve Big Boss' meme? It's pretty much the same idea. Besides, Big Boss makes a conscious decision to leave everything to the body double anyway, he never objected to the idea since it's for his personal benefit. Think about all of the horrible shit Venom Snake endures throughout TPP, all of the hatred from Skull Face and Eli that he has to suffer through against his own will, all so his commander can hide out of sight and fulfll his dream.

>>383762185
I think that Snake would try not to kill if he can help it, but if the risks are too high, then he would go for it without thinking twice.

Remember, Snake is an SSM specialist. Get in, make sure no one knows you're there, leave as little evidence of your presence as possible. You can't do that if you leave a trail of corpses in your wake. It's basically part of the job description to kill as little as possible. That's why you get penalized for killing.

>>383742731
david hayter was still the best VA for snake

>>383768184
Ideally, you'd get in and out without firing a single weapon, but that might be stretching it even for Snake.

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>>383761078
It's us versus them

Hayter's best performances were MGS1 and MGS4. The raspy voice worked well for Old Snake. Not so much for Big Boss.

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>>383762185
Snake canonically uses lethal weapons in every game aside from the opening of MGS2 and 3.

>>383742470
>The guy didn't even try. Absolutely no effort.
He didn't try and yet he was still better than Hayter who poured his guts out. Talent>Hard work

>Frankly they should have gotten someone else and put the money saved back into the game

All of 500k. And it's not like that would've helped the game from being released unfinished anyway.

>>383768001
>Wasn't the point of Les Enfants Terribles that Zero wanted to preserve Big Boss' meme?

No, Zero wanted to preserve Big Boss's genes. The whole series has a running thread of genes vs memes and memes are what win out. Solid ends up being superior to Liquid because he inherited Big Boss' dominant memes instead of his dominant genes for example. Venom is an inheritor of Big Boss' memes and that's what the whole propagating of the legend stuff is about. In the end, Big Boss' genes weren't anything special anyway.

>>383768829
Snake kills if necessary, but I don't think he'd go out of his way to shoot to death a girl whose only method of attacks is hugs.

>>383768945
But Snake opposed Big Boss's ideals.

>>383769101

His ideals weren't the totality of his memes. Big Boss opposed the Boss' will in Peace Walker too.

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>>383769027
I don't know, I feel like Snake is pretty fluid in the sense that he becomes whatever the game needs him to be in that moment. In MGS1 he goes from showing very little regard for Meryl's life to actively preaching to Mei Ling that you "have to allow yourself to fall in love with someone."

Liquid's "you enjoy all the killing" line was directed at the player as much as Snake himself, you could even say that Snake was finally allowed to be free at the end of MGS4 BECAUSE there weren't going to be any more sequels. Big Boss' desires for a 'war without end' are interesting in that video games themselves largely thrive off of war, we enjoy the act of murdering virtual soldiers even if the character we are controlling suffers for it. I guess what I'm getting at is that we the players are just as responsible for manipulating Snake as much as Big Boss, The Patriots, or anyone else.

>>383769423
I feel like the Boss's will just skipped a generation. Snake and Otacon never met her, but they're basically her true legacy.

>>383740306
Well I mean he was fighting and killing foot soldiers that he wasn't even at war with, they were following orders, and so was he, and that's kind of what it boils down to.
Snake wasn't important to the US government, he was expendable, that's why he got dropped in the ass end of Russia with nearly no equipment besides fatigues, a shitty tranq, and a makeup kit. He had to do things he had only done in training, eat all kinds of shit, crawl through tunnels and caves infested with every repulsive creature you could think of. He's had to kill people and hide their bodies.
Not to mention, he had to kill his mentor and trainer, who is also the only woman he'd ever loved, and all of her brothers in arms. Not that they didnt all ask for it, the point being he's been through a lot, only to learn he kinda-sorta got double crossed by EVA.
It ain't checkers my friend, Its chess.

>>383769905
Absolutely kino

I agree.

>>383769905
Well, in MGS2 he did say that he believes killing is wrong no matter the reason. Snake is pretty professional, he wouldn't kill if he didn't have to. He didn't have to kill anyone in the Big Shell, but when they got swarmed by enemies in Arsenal Gear, he did what had to be done and wiped them all out.

If Snake is just sneaking around a facility, I think he'd try to sneak by without attacking anyone, and that's basically what he's expected to do. The point is to leave no evidence of his presence; that's why on-site procurement is a thing. Ideally, he should get by with shooting hos weapon as little as possible, whether it's an assault rifle or a tranquilizer gun.

But with tougher opponents like Ocelot or Vamp, I think he wouldn't risk it and go for the kill. I'm sure he went all out on the Beast forms of the B&Bs as well. But the Beauties are slow and can only try to hug him. The hugs hurt, but they're nothing he can't handle. So I figure it would be easy for him to just tranq them.

>>383766531
>i don't want plot reasons, i want the cobra unit's reasons!
you realize that the cobras aren't real, right?like it's not that hard to grasp, i don't know what you're having such a hard time understanding

>>383759156
Well I don't know how much thought you put into it besides stating the obvious, but I think Kojima probably meant he's a better character in terms of his personality, dialogue, and backstory.
But /v/ is full of tards like you so I didn't expect anything less.

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>>383766268
the point of the twist has to do with pinocchio, not being a puppet, and sorting yourself out. venom doesn't have a growing nose, but he has a growing horn.

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>talking to a friend about MGSV
>"I can't believe they used a Nirvana song in MGSV"
>tell him it's a David Bowie song
>"yeah but they used the Nirvana cover"

>>383770725
>the point of the twist has to do with pinocchio, not being a puppet, and sorting yourself out
did Peterson ghost write MGSV for Kojima?

>>383744932
pic?

My PS3 keeps shutting off on me, is it safe to skip MGS4? i can just read the wiki and get everything important?

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>>383749532

>>383770848
i dunno, but i'm really curious as to what peterson would have to say about the series, TPP in particular, esp. considering the whole c-16 debacle and the themes of language control/vocal cord parasites.

>>383771381
he would probably say stop playing video games

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Can can BB be the best when he canonically put his dick in a Russian-American twink?

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>>383771525
he's mentioned before that he doesn't see a problem with the medium itself. it's more just when people stop attending to real life and get lost entirely in the game that it is a problem.

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>>383771239

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>>383764317
so many quality posts in this thread

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>>383770489
I agree that Snake himself would avoid taking lives wherever possible, but MGS frequently blurs the line between game and reality to the point where it is exactly that: a self-aware video game, and like many other video games, that involves shooting guns and killing virtual soldiers. Regardless of whether Snake realises it or not, he is a tool to be used at OUR disposal, for the sake of OUR enjoyment. The stories in these games don't take place within a vaccum, the reason Snake makes it through his missions is because he had us controlling him, which is why previous events are recalled exactly as they were, in that PS1 game from 1998.

MGS2's entire plot is practically based off of this idea, outright implying that MGS1 was a VR Mission that we all completed. It's difficult to make out in this image, but as Snake says "War as a video game-- What better way to raise the ultimate soldier?" you see a swarm of player-controlled Snakes onscreen. MGSV seemed to attempt something similar, with Ahab having "experienced all of your missions on record", but Venom Snake quite literally booting up the original Metal Gear on cassette tape is a clear indication that all of this is taking place within a fictional video game, and that's only one of many examples.

The Metal Gear universe starts when you boot up the game, and stops when you switch it back off, which is why it doesn't matter when things like dates and smaller plot details don't line up, that isn't the point. This isn't literature, it's an old video game series that began in 1987 with dumb B-movie references and character names like Big Boss and Solid Snake, and by some twist of fate continued on for 30-odd years after the fact.

>>383754030
lmao holy shit I had forgotten this one

>>383770027
Yep. Strangelove even calls Otacon "her and The Boss's child" during her last moments inside the AI pod.

>>383772353
MGS2's entire plot was just Escape from New York.

>>383772983
Why, because of 'Iroquois Pliskin' which isn't even spelled the same way? I've seen that film and outside of the general tone I didn't think it had much in common with MGS, unless there's something I'm missing. Kojima has cited City of Glass as his main inspiration for MGS2.