Why do p5fags get so triggered when they're told that the

What makes them better?
Nearly everything is polished or streamlined in such a way where lesser known core gameplay mechanics are no longer ignored because now they feel much better to use.

Because anyone with halfway decent taste can tell you P1 and P5 are the only good Persona games.

Only P3 and P2 are better in terms of story only. Persona 4? Fucking kek.

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>>383714627

They're all good games. Why does it have to be a fucking contest?

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I'm pretty sure every persona fag gets triggered when someone says their favorite is worse than the others.

BEING A MAN MEANS

>>383714627
Why are SMTfags so desperate for attention that they try to start shit between the Persona games?

>>383714627

Persona 4 is pretty shite tho.

>>383714627
The only thing wrong with that image is that 3&4 aren't screeching at each other

>>383714627
>Persona2fags
>Ever showing respect to anything but their duology
That's never happened. They are the loudest, whiniest pieces of shit that talk down to everyone else because they have the emotional maturity of insecure teenagers that want their opinion to be the norm.

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Leave Adachi to me.

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>>383714627
Every Personafag gets mad when they're told the other games are better. Every MTfag gets mad when they're told other games in the series are better, for that matter. Except for Radioufriends who are sweet boys that respect the opinions of others.

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What would the P5 column look like

hipster contrarians and also children, and a mix of both

>>383715750
Every other game would say "oh, you mean that DLC for Persona 5?"

>>383716206
They'd recognize P3 and 4 though, but probably see them as too old and ugly looking to bother playing.

>>383716351
I don't like shitflinging between game fanbases but will admit that my desire to return to Tartarus after handcrafted Palaces is pretty fucking non-existant

>>383715750
>P1
See P4 fan's row.
>P2
See P4 fan's row, but with a small minority that also hails it as amazing.
>P3
Barely acknowledges existence outside of mentioning how much better P5's dungeons are.
>P4
See P1/2 fan's row, but with potentially even more vitriol.

Better question is how do other fans see P5.

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Because Persona 5 is one of the few games that comes closest to the notion of an "objective upgrade". There's very little that the previous games do better than P5, if anything.

>inb4 tone/setting fags

I don't give a fuck about your tone preferences or whether or not you think P5 is too "anime", the game itself is still well executed and offers a richer experience than previous titles. Not to say that they are bad, P5 is just crazy good. The ionly complaint that has weight is maybe there's too much redundant dialogue. But other titles in the series suffer from the same thing, and that's a minor issue.

>>383717292
>the game itself is still well executed
Oh please that fake death plot had more holes in it than swiss cheese.

when the FUCK are we getting another raidou game goddamnit fatlus

>>383714627
I haven't played P5, but if 3 and 4 are better then 5 must be literally a pile of shit in disc form.

>>383717292
I love P5 but the Confidant stories, ignoring the abilities, are pretty horrible. Shit like Persona 3's Sun and Hanged Man blow them all out of the fucking water. The SL's have gotten so generic and dull.

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>>383717557
>Shit like Persona 3's Sun and Hanged Man
Funny how those are the only memorable P3 social links in a game full of literal whos like pic related

>>383717381
>Oh please that fake death plot had more holes in it than swiss cheese.

Literally name two and I'll return my copy right now.

Pro tip: You can't,

>>383717658
I also left Tanaka out because as much as I love his character and theme, his SL isn't that breathtaking

>>383717557

But p3 SLs were awful aside from those two.

>>383717557
Almost every confidant is memorable though, and they are all cool and fun. Temperance is amazing, so is Sun and even Moon.

>>383717662
The remote controlled metaverse app was installed in Joker's phone. Once Goro was sent to the metaverse they had no way to pull him out, so why didn't he notice that he was in the metaverse until much later after he was back in the real world somehow?

The entire plan hinged on Sae's capacity to somehow sneak Joker out of a police station full of officers when she has never done something like that in her entire life.

>>383715309
/v/ is known for making games a contest, and SMTfags are constantly in civil war with each other, despite no game outright being bad. It reminds me of the Sonic fanbase minus all the drama that came out of Sonic's dark age.

Truth be told, speaking exclusively on Persona, fans of P1, P3, and P4 seem pretty chill. They'll argue about their games, but their arguments are usually pretty level-headed and well thought-out. Lots of long, detailed posts explaining their position, usually pretty respectful to the opposing sides.

P2 fans are a bit louder and are somewhat more likely to start arguments, but they'll still take legitimate criticisms to heart. They realize that the battle system is horribly outdated, and the main draw is the story and characters. Weirdly though, I almost never see P2 fans arguing among themselves regarding the story, which nu-Persona fans tend to do a lot of.

P5 fans are really obnoxious though. They really take it upon themselves to talk about how great their game is, and seem to get especially heated around P4 fans for some reason. I have a funny theory that connects back to SMT that explains this as a giant Law vs. Chaos argument, but I digress.

>>383717557
Could you possibly be more wrong? Even the awful Confidants eventually turn out meaningful near the end of the game as spice. Take off the nostalgia glasses.

>>383715750
>didnt know there where ones its called persona 4

is this bait

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So does P1's story make up for how outdated the game is or should I just skip it and play P2 instead.

>>383717909
>The remote controlled metaverse app was installed in Joker's phone. Once Goro was sent to the metaverse they had no way to pull him out, so why didn't he notice that he was in the metaverse until much later after he was back in the real world somehow?

I don't get what you're asking? Futaba's hac used the phone's bookmark to temporarily send someone to Sae's palace. When Sae showed the phone to Goro, he was put into Sae's palace, but the prison part of her palace, which is 100% identical to the real world, so he didn't pick up on it until it was too late and he had already killed notJoker.

>The entire plan hinged on Sae's capacity to somehow sneak Joker out of a police station full of officers when she has never done something like that in her entire life.

That's not a plot hole lmao, it's concienent that she was able to do it yeah, and maybe she just got lucky. But it's not impossible that she could do something like that.

>>383718372
Nah characters in 1 were just cardboard cutouts that were completely irrelevant for the most part because most of them were optional party members. 2 made a lot of them more interesting.

>>383714627
P3 fes is GOAT

>>383718491
>but the prison part of her palace, which is 100% identical to the real world, so he didn't pick up on it until it was too late and he had already killed notJoker.
He still walked out of the police station and would be greeted by an oversized casino nextdoor. He also appeared on a tv show which means he somehow got out of the metaverse without ever realizing he was in it.

>That's not a plot hole lmao, it's concienent that she was able to do it yeah, and maybe she just got lucky. But it's not impossible that she could do something like that.
lmao the amount of garbage P5fags will tolerate is absurd, there was no way she could have sneaked out, even if she had been sent to the metaverse by Futaba to facilitate their escape because her cognition would have still created officers in places she passed by.

>>383717292
Haha Kek I can't believe people say that offline!

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I just want to say that Yaldabaoth sounds like trying to say "You're the boss" with your tongue out. That is all.

>People defend P5's lazy writing that relies on Futaba's deus ex machine hacking skills
It was a whole new level of shit after P4.

>>383715006
P5 is literally a poorly done rehash of 2, thematically

>>383719157
Oh wait scratch that I see it, by the end when Yaldy merges both worlds reality became subject to change depending on the general population's cognition. So rumors that are believed in enough would be real.

>>383714627
Probably because it's not true.

>>383719056
2 built on 1, at least as far as "cognition" is concerned. That Persona 5 brought a larger focus on it was probably influenced by P2, but it can be argued that it's present throughout the whole series. What is a persona without the ability to observe it anyhow? The same goes for reality.

>>383717929
Yeah i really don't know why p5 fans differentiate themselves from the others and kinda treat them with disdain

>>383718691
they're not plotholes, just bad writing. For the first one Sae inexplicably exits the metaverse without doing anything on her way to joker, and as for the second one futaba aka alibaba gives her instructions through the phone, so while it's implausible it's not exactly a plot hole.

>>383719854
>Sae inexplicably exits the metaverse without doing anything on her way to joker
Because she had the phone which Futaba installed the remote control app to. That wasn't possible in Goro's case since he was no longer with Sae after he went to kill Joker and thus wasn't in proximity for Futaba to yank him out of the metaverse.

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P3 would have the best story, but it's bogged down by poor pacing. Because of this, P2 has the best plot.

Dispute this

>>383720063
how do you know it's because of the phone? where does it say that? Nowhere because it's just shitty writing, they could come out tomorrow and say "uhh it was temporary lol and they both got pulled out regardless of who had the phone." there is already a horrendous lack of logic or consistency regarding metaverse entry and exit, ergo it's shitty writing not a plothole.

>>383718691
They tried to explain the first part with the beginning. Protag and Ryuji leave the metaverse in the beginning without even realizing it.

Maybe it's because I haven't finished P2 (I just got Jun on my team after Yukino left,) but I don't really get where the thematic connections between P2 and 5 lie, outside of demon negotiation. P5 is about breaking people's warped cognitions and rebelling against the laws of society, and P2 has an emphasis on the power of rumors and ideals. The casts are very different, and the goals seem very different. Is it really just Nyarly and Yaldy?

>>383720385
>how do you know it's because of the phone? where does it say that?
Futaba says that she installed an app that allowed her to remotely control the metaverse app on Joker's phone. She could whisk anyone near Joker's phone in and out of the metaverse which is what she does to Sae after she sends her for a bit into the metaverse with Goro when she flashes the phone in front of him. But after that Goro walks away and Sae gets sent back to the real world while he goes to kill fake Joker.

>>383714627
I don't know, maybe it's the reason why personafags get triggered when they're told mainline games are better.

>>383720425
When you go near where you entered the Metaverse you exit it, you don't use your phone. This is why the PT can't exit it anywhere and why the game makes a point of having you leave that way every time.

>>383720348
I agree that P2 has better pacing (helped by the fact that its much more linear and focused than nu-Persona), but you might as well just say P2's story has better pacing than P3. Why is P3's pacing so bad that it kills what should be the best story and hands the reward to P2?

>>383720703
>Why is P3's pacing so bad that it kills what should be the best story and hands the reward to P2?
Because in 2 you go wherever you need to go to continue the plot while in P3-5 you have to wait because of the calendar system.

>>383720703
Holy shit there is so much time where nothing happens in that game. It's unbearable.

Then the movies have the exact same issue.

>>383720425
Didn't they activate Joker's app via accidental voice commands to exit it?

I like all of them and the few SMT games I played

>>383720549
we only ever see the app explicitly used to enter a metaverse when they put in the keywords the first time, all the cutscene exits i remember are all spontaneous exits only made obvious by scenery changes and preserved momentum. so you still dont know for sure that futaba would have to take him out.

>>383720892
No, they did that to enter it.

Because it's objectively wrong on features like gameplay, sound design, graphics, and timeless art style?
Not like you, the ultra faggot, probably even played any of the games.

>>383720556
Mainline SMT and Persona feel like distinct franchises though. They share demon designs, spell names, and the basic battle system, but SMT has more emphasis on gameplay, hard moral decisions that reflect how you view reality, and dungeon crawling. Persona is a story-centric life-sim with very basic dungeon design and a streamlined battle system that isn't as punishing as SMT, at the cost of depth and risk-reward dynamics. I don't see why one franchise is strictly better than the other.

>>383721053
It's like comparing Mario64 to Mario Kart. They're very, very different spin offs (although one is more of a successor) to the original franchise.

Why is P3's plot considered the best ? Even without the shitty pacing it would still be shit.
1)japanese high schooler discover they have magical power and form a secret organization
2)some hobbo who also have magical power show up and get beaten to death
3)It was just an experiment gone wrong bro. Oh yeah we also built this cute robot who look like a teen lol
4)Hello I'm the new student. I actually live on the moon and I am going to shoot the place. Please be sorry for me.
5)Endless grind until you hit the credits.

>>383721227
I mean, it's not like "TV is actually another universe" or "phone app lets you make adults not mean" is any better.

>>383714627

Because 5 is objectively the best, though.

>The dungeons are the best in the series
>The battle system encourages you to rotate out all your characters, so you grow to appreciate them all
>There are so many jobs, minigames, social links, stat builders and somewhat-hidden extra shit to do (the black market, the video game console etc) that the social life is also god-tier
>Best party in the series

Literally the only valid complaint about the game is how the finale tries to do too much at once.

>>383720806
>>383720818
Is it not arguable that this speaks of the nature of P2 and P3's plots though? Each story is designed around the time taken for the story to progress. P2 has a much more urgent feel to it that is driven by constant action by the heroes and villains, lending it to function well with no waiting in between.

P3 is all about impending doom and death, so of course there's going to be more waiting, thematically. I think it helps build up the tension and drama when the big events do happen, but I am going through a second playthrough after having played 4 and 5, and I do notice the large gaps a lot more now, so we'll see if my opinion remains consistent.

I picked up Persona 5 on a whim since I've never played a persona game before and in general am not much of a weeb.

What are some other jrpg or other games that are worth playing if I'm just dipped my toes in to full on jap stuff? I'm enjoying the shit out of P5 and have really only ever played Nintendo stuff and Suda games in the past.

>>383721503
They are when they have far more tonal relevance to the story progress. P3 is like "oh, we made an android. Do not question it whatsoever."
Like the one thing you shouldn't argue for P3, it's that it's better paced or more grounded.

>>383721570
P3 isn't about impending doom at all. I mean, maybe at first but then you quickly realize that the boss aren't a threat at all so you just look forward to their arrival because then maybe something will happen.

>>383720703
>Why is P3's pacing so bad that it kills what should be the best story and hands the reward to P2?

I'd say 3 has the best pacing out of all the recent games. Can't speak to P1 or P2, but

>P3: Plot progresses every month, ending has a gradual forboding onset as The Fall creeps closer and closer
>P4: There's a killer in town, so you spend 6 months amassing an investigation team that does fuck all investigating until like the last month or two, then surprise deity twist in a somewhat secret ending
>P5: 2 days of plot followed by 5 weeks of nothing, repeated for 8 months before a two-dungeon finale happens in a single day. Then 3 months pass by in an hourlong cutscene and the game ends.

>>383721518
P5 definitely has the best gameplay but its story isn't anything to write home about. It also has the shittiest villains in the franchise, except for maybe Strega.

>>383721896
>P5: 2 days of plot followed by 5 weeks of nothing, repeated for 8 months before a two-dungeon finale happens in a single day. Then 3 months pass by in an hourlong cutscene and the game ends.
>P3: Plot progresses every month, ending has a gradual forboding onset as The Fall creeps closer and closer

I don't think you remember P3 or P5 that well. I could say the exact opposite. In fact, the Fall isn't even freaking relevant whatsoever pre-summer, and anything in P5 isn't remotely as boring as December in P3.

>>383715451
This

>>383714627
Are you kidding?
>Say you like P4
>P3fags walk in
>Say you like P3
>P2fags walk in
>Say you like P5
>SMTfags walk in

>>383722353

>Say you like P1
>No one walks in

>>383721798
The hell? How'd you come to that conclusion? I mean, I guess since it's a video game, you know there's gotta be some way to beat the final boss, but diegetically, everyone is mortified about the fight and they only do it because they figure it's better than just dying without a fight.

>>383721798
It is, though.
>Guys you're all going to die and the entire population will be cool with it
It was all building up until the fight with Nyx, an impending disaster. Like Death. That's P3's theme.

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>>383714627
Why does OP get so triggered when he's told people like a different Persona game than the one he likes?

>>383714627
What's the appeal of Persona games?
I played 3 for a while and it was just a cliche high school anime during the day and repetitive dungeons with boring combat at night. Am I missing something? Is it just the waifuism?

>>383714627
Because it's a blatent lie. I've been playing since Innocent Sin and it's literally only gone up in quality gameplay wise. Storywise I can understand the complaints though.

>>383722884
No that's basically it
P5 has better gameplay but if you don't like high school anime don't play it

>>383721896
>2 days of plot followed by 5 weeks of nothing, repeated for 8 months before a two-dungeon finale happens in a single day. Then 3 months pass by in an hourlong cutscene and the game ends.
More like 2 weeks of 5 minute cutscenes that lock you out of any activities to set up the latest arc, then you only experience the fresh air of freedom to work on your s-links once you start the dungeon and you experience the dread of going back into that cycle of 0 freedom every time the due date of a dungeon approaches.

>>383722716
OP here. I don't though. I understand P5's appeal and why people might like it the most. What I take issue with is p5fags being notorious for complaining about other Persona games, particularly 4. I like 4, whatever. You like 5, that's cool. I'm down for arguing, but I do take issue why p5fags being so spiteful and vitriolic in those arguments. There's no good reason for it.

>>383722884
Do you like stories in vidya that focus on slow-moving plots and characters that reveal more parts of themselves over time? Then you'll like Persona. If you don't have the patience to see a plot progress and want more fast-paced action, then you won't like Persona. You might like P5 though.

>>383721950

The story is good, it just suffers a lot of bloat. Like the 4 hours of goddamn exposition where the game painstakingly points out just how clever it was being about Akechi. And then the finale that just won't stop.

The core plot is enjoyable and a great reflection on modern life. It's just unfortunate that there wasn't enough emphasis on Mementos earlier on, plus the period of Morgana being a bitch, plus the above.

>>383722227

Maybe it's just personal preference, but for me, P3 had perfect pacing. The wearing-out system meant exploring tartarus took multiple days, which blended the between-dungeon sections well. And sure, December was a bit dull, but the lingering feeling of impending doom was far more effective than "WELP GUESS IT'S TIME TO END MEMENTOS, LET'S DO IT RIGHT NOW."


Meanwhile P5 was 2 days of dungeon followed by sweet FA, unless you wasted time in Mementos without any targets.

>>383714627
Because the reviews contain buzzwords like ''improved'' ''refined'' ''perfected''. So naturally they believe anyone who tells them otherwise is lying and attacking them directly. They're kids, what did you expect?

>>383714627
They all have their strengths and weaknesses, anyone trying to say which one is better than the others is stupid elitism just trying to start shit for no reason
Just enjoy the games for what they all have going for them, if you had a good time that's enough reason to like it, no need to justify why you like it the most

>>383723204
>What I take issue with is p5fags being notorious for complaining about other Persona games, particularly 4. I like 4
>particularly 4. I like 4
Now everything makes sense
protip:it's not only P5fags that complain about P4

>>383723763
I mean, I guess fans of classic Persona have more reason to dislike 4 as well, but they're still a lot more chill when you argue with them. P3 fans barely even touch 4 discussion if they don't care for it. It could be because it's the newest game in the franchise, but I haven't had a P2fag get assblasted because I like P4 ever. P5fags have.

>>383722353
The lack of P1 fans makes me kinda sad, but I figure it's because most of them are outside the age range of making consistent threads on /v/ or other places to discuss games. They're from a different era, whereas P2 fans don't necessarily have to have grown up with the game to appreciate its strengths. The non-butchered PSP port helps too.

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I played Persona 3 and 4 recently and my final veredict is:

>story
3>>4>>>>>5

>gameplay
5>>4>>>>>3

>characters
4>3>5

>soundtrack
3=4=5

I love all three of them, but kind of prefer 4 over the others because I feel is the most balanced. The story is not as good as 3 but better than 5 and the same with the gameplay. I absolutely love the characters and the setting and charm is enough to place it above the others even though we're supposed to hate it since its the most popular. I'll probably play 2 before the year ends.

>>383725720
>p1 psp port
>good
completely ruins the atmosphere with that abysmal new ost

>>383725906
I was implying the P2 port to be the non-butchered one. I've heard enough complaints about P1's new soundtrack to know that. Shame it's still the cheapest and best way to play the game.

>>383722416
It's not about doom if you don't fear the bad guy.
If it was smt i would be afraid because I wouldn't be sure if I will be able to counter whatever bullshit the boss will threw at me. But since every boss is easy there's no feeling of dread at all.
Plus I don't remember that there was an option to tell Nyx that you were going to beat her ass immortality or not. The dude have no proof of his invincibly and sudenlly everyone start shaking in their boots.


>>383722680
Except the entire population wasn't cool with it. I don't remember why but Nyx though everyone wanted to die for some bullshit reason and it never bothered to fi d out if it was true or not by actually asking people.

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>>383725906
yeah, the original was so much better
this is the extent of the overworld graphics

>>383726138
Most of the population were apathetic to death. Remember the cutscene where Nyx arrived and they cheered?

>>383726205
>muh graphics on a console with 2 MB ram
You need to be 18 to post here. But if you wanna play the graphics whore consider this. P1 has 3d map, P5 has 2d map. Therefore P1 has superior graphics on the map system.

>>383726138
So you were approaching it from a gameplay perspective. I'd imagine that's because you weren't invested in where the plot was going or weren't buying the character's motivations or feelings. That's fine, but don't present it like it's a narrative issue. Like, what people did you talk to outside of your party that were also speaking out against death?

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>>383726438
That honestly felt like an asspule.

Every characters is acting like normal anime people and suddenly, BAM, everyone want to die. Unless Nyx has brainwashing ability or break the human psyche which would actually be pretty cool.

>>383726623
>That's fine, but don't present it like it's a narrative issue.

It is. For exemple, in Skyrim, the final boss is supposed to be a big threat but do absolutly jack shit during the entire game and can be beaten to death by 3 NPC who are supposed weaker than him, while you sit somewhere and watch. This affect negatively the story.

For a good exemple you have SRW: OG, where one of the big bad teleport on your face and start wreacking your army. This make you afraid of him.

Meanwhile in Persona the characters are afraid of Nyx but I wasn't because none of the boss were extremly challenging. I actually looked forward to facing it. and since the PC is a self insert that how I though he reacted.

>Like, what people did you talk to outside of your party that were also speaking out against death?

None, but then again, I can't really remember people who didn't care about being killed.

>>383727919
The idea is that most people actually want to die. Think about all of the people who want to commit suicide but just can't. Also, Apathy Syndrome.

>>383727919
Humanity always wanted Nyx to come. They all wanted to die. They just kept those feelings hidden. Thats why Nyx cannot be defeated but can only be sealed. Humanity yearns for him.

>>383715340
this applies to smt in general, and many other series as well

>>383727919
What fucking fever dream have you been having, literally the whole latter half of the game the depression and loss of hope and the wish for it all to end is everywhere you go in the city and whoever you talk to and in the school what fucking delusions have you been having where the world in P3 WASNT awaiting for Nyx to descend and "make everything better by removing suffering" like the doomsday cults spreading around the city and the world, preaching of the end of the world in plain day were telling everyone?

>>383714627
They're not.