What is it about Vana'diel that's so much better than

>>383709082
It wasn't a low budget WoW clone for starters.

>>383709082
XI had to really prove itself to get people in before the whole early internet gaming console caught on. Current XIV does what is known to work and not frustrate players. You won't get a shitty SAM without food and proper gearswaps in XIV. You'll always get the same SAM with a slightly different item level.

XIV is playing minigolf whereas XI is playing in a golf tournament.

XIV is a streamlined, scaled down WoW clone cash grab in a Final Fantasy skin and shouldn't be looked at as anything else

>Actual danger in the world
>Some areas had puzzles and traps that required you to navigate properly (Garlaige, Eldieme)
>Lots of quests encouraged you to step into these places to progress
>Made completing simple things like AF/Ranked missions an adventure on its own
>This gave players a sense of accomplishment even for the most "basic" of things like obtaining 5/5 AF or getting rank 10.
>Transportation like Airships/Boats had their own timers, you had to wait for them to arrive/travel
>Gave the world a sense that it was alive and didn't revolve around you
>Notorius Monsters made exploring areas exciting, travelling to Jeuno and you see Leaping Lizzy? Neat.
>Literally every aspect of the game was built around encouraging players to make friendships with others and build lasting connections.
>Big "world" events like Besieged made the entire server work as a team.
>ALL endgame was relevant for the entire games life at 75 cap. Sky, Sea, HNM, Salvage, Einherjar, all of it.
XI was the better game by a country fucking mile.

>>383709082
You couldn't use a choco on the fly for the longest time, it forced you to also travel by foot in certain zones. XIV did that early on.

The teleport cristal killed a lot of travel through the game when it was released in XI, again XIV did it early on.

>>383710891
>Sea
>relevant
No it wasn't. Most players never gained access to Sea until the level cap was lifted and no one outside of BLU or people completing the story line ever went there.

>>383709082
XI is a MMORPG, XIV is a single player rpg

>>383711156
>Novio/Novia Earrings
>Capes for mages
>Torques for MNK/certain other jobs
It was useful, fully relevant maybe not, but it was certainly not useless content that no one did.

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>>383709082
As you said, ffxi actually feels like a real place somehow. It actually feels like a real world you can goto.

FFXIV is shit, I was so pissed off when I tried it and found out they just made a wow clone instead of improving on ffxi.

Was such a fuck you moment.

I played FF14 but didn't buy the new expansion and haven't played since last summer.

What are the major differences between this and 14? How is the community in this game? Don't really want to play if only 100 people play this game.

>>383710891
>>Big "world" events like Besieged made the entire server work as a team.
I remember some servers crashing because there was too many players participing in Besieged and the server couldn't handle it.

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>>383711339
The game is nowadays single player game. And the multi-player content is more like diablo rather than how it used to be. Most of the original staff is gone. I quit playing after ToAU, but people say rhapsodies is epic.

Because you're a ravenous nostalgiacuck.

/v/ - MEMBER WHEN???

This is what Vanadiel fags actually believe.

>>383711287
Forgot about Limbus and Proto Ultima/Omega gears

>>383711164
>XIV is a single player rpg
you mean it's a JRPG with online co-op.
single player would imply that you don't have to connect to any servers

>>383711387
Same shit happens in XIV and people say it's a bad thing.

>>383711623
Because after 10 years and it being SE's second (third) time around the block, it shouldn't be happening.

>>383711598
Pretty much that. Though more like bad single player jprg since the game is not fun to play and pub feels like playing with crappy AI members. Community is filled with toxic and the game doesn't really have much to do apart from farming tomes or doing raids.

>>383711623
Well in XI it was and it wasn't as it would reset HNM timer.
You would see the JP and NA actually trying to kill their server at their preffered time on some servers before SE fixed their shits.

>>383711339
They are totally different games, one is based on no hand holding everquest and the other is based on wow.

Still lots play, I'm not subbed currently but my server usually has around 2k online at all times and there are about 16 servers.

>ffxiv experience
>sit in town, hit the dungeon finder
>do dungeon
>on timer
>log out

>>383711561
That's not in Sea.

>>383710891
You forgot
>SE made XI a Sandbox game where players could make their own decisions on things
Best example of this was NIN. SE didn't intend for it to be a tank at all, they wanted it to be a DD. The community took NIN, saw its kit and decided to start using it to tank.

>>383711958
post /playtime in-game or lodestone

>>383711779
>Community is filled with toxic
stop playing on Aether.

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>>383709082
>I seriously just felt like FF XI felt like an actual world whereas FF XIV just feels like a lobby that I use to navigate between instanced shit
Precisely because FFXI was envisioned as a world with minimal instancing, whereas FFXIV barely qualifies as an MMO.

In fact FFXIV is closer to a simple OA-RPG like Phantasy Star Online when you start disregarding useless shit like FATEs.

>>383712017
Limbus is quite literally accessed in sea. Saying it's not is like saying Ve'Lugannon Palace isn't part of sky.

>>383712578
From what I remember you get teleported to Limbus from a guy in Jeuno. But then again it's been at least 5 years since I last played so I could be wrong.

Reminder for wowfugees to end themselves.

>>383712698
Ah I can see how you misremembered. You get Cosmo-Cleanse from Sagheera in Port Jeuno. Then you travel all the way to Al-Taieu to enter Limbus itself

>>383712865
>>383712698
>>383712578
You required Sea access to do Limbus, but most of the community defined them as two separate events.

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>you will never arrive home from high school/university again and do your homework while multitasking
>exploring new zones with autowalk
>LFG in jeuno
>waiting on an airship
>waiting on the selbina ship
>camping an uncommon NM
>farming raw materials like silk or yagudo necklaces

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>>383712247
Pretty much this. Also the combat in XI is better.

>>383711156
>>383712698

if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about can you not spread misinformed bullshit?

thanks.

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>>383713676
>can you not

>>383713153
>ywn lfg in Jeuno all day.
>get up to take a shit and in the 5mins you were away receive a /tell for a pt in terrigan.
>ywn reply in a hurry, saying that you had to hit the can and that you could be there in 10.
>ywn receive the reply every lfg dread.
>sorry, asked someone else and he's on a choco already.

Man the 50s where hard on some jobs.
>hey man, wanna pt in Kuftal/Quicksand/Yhoator?
>sure, lemme find a telepo and I'll get there.
>aight, see you soon.
>ywn have that telewhore whm that ferried all day everyday to buy her vermillion cloak, she will never cast Pro/Shell on you ever again and cheer you on as you get on your choco.
>Ok, I'm here, fire up an invite.
>shit, sorry bro. PT breaking when the chain ends.

At least I wasn't a drg.

>>383714140
This, this is why I can't go back to XI on Nasomi.

>>383712698
That's not how it worked.
You had to have your white mage you teleport you there.

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That's because FFXI created zones with reusability as a core feature, so that they become memorable. Whether you're passing through Ronfaure to get to Horlais Peak for a BCNM, or leveling your subjob in Qufim, you'll be revisiting a lot of the same old haunts.

Although FFXIV gains a little bit of that benefit since it also has a job system, it's mostly a "plastic trash" throwaway culture of design for zones. Just like in WoW, when you finish up leveling in an area you'll seldom return to it. This is because FFXIV has a bunch of teleport crystals lying around at various points meaning that traveling isn't really part of the world. You don't have to chocobo through Ronfaure and Ghelsba to get to the BCNM at Horlais Peak, you just have to use one of the 2 billion teleport crystals to arrive within 5 minutes of your destination.

FFXI was patched to retrofit home point crystals into this same type of system, as well as add new home points to the world, but I think that happened in like 2012. No clue, don't really play anymore.

>>383709082
Better design, better lore.

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>>383715545
you're fuckin telling me

http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Vana%27diel_Tribune#Volume_11:_April_3.2C_2003

http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Collective_Annals_of_Gwynham_and_Enid_Ironheart

I'm glad square are stupid, it saved blizzard from making the same mistake.

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>>383711779
>Community is filled with toxic

there goes that word again

>>383714732
Nasomi had/has potential, the guy who runs it is just an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing.

If he knew how to fix the issues the server has it could be great. I havent played on there in a while though, so I don't know if people gave up on it or not. there was like 4-500 people online at one point though

Is it worth it to get the FFXI edition on steam and play it for a month?

Is anyone even playing the game who could help me, or is everyone just at level cap and doing god know's what qualifies for endgame content in that game

>>383717042
if you just wanted to play through the stories, you could probably do them all in a month solo. it might take u 2-3 days to get to max level. from there you can just buy a set of gear from the npc that will suffice for all story missions

>>383716756
That's a shame to hear, I was actually hoping to get into playing FFXI on Nasomi with a regular group sometime when I can devote the time on a consistent basis.

>>383717042
It'll take about 70 hours of playtime to get caught up to 99 and doing some important story quests. Maybe I'm a shitter but that's about what I had when playing without any exp events.

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oh man i loved killing crabs for months on end

>>383709082
>Is it just nostalgia?
Yes
FFXI sucked in every possible way and was considered as one of the worst mmo ever made, before original xiv, wildstar and pirates of caribbean online were released
Even more unplayble and shitty than vanguard on the release
Really makes you think

>>383712065
>XI
>Sandbox
fucking retard

>>383711303

Way to just copy what others have said

>>383717415
you can level 1-75 just fine, the problem is all bcnm/ksnm/enm fights are broken because someone found an exploit with them so the guy who runs nasomi turned them off.

now (there used to be anyways) there is a shortage of the items that come from them. Refresh, erase, utsusemi: ni, etc etc. he implemented some band aid fight that has the loot pool of these respective fights, but they're only up once every 24 hours and the drop rate seemed low on the worthwhile stuff. so that means if you wanted to level rdm, whm, or nin, or anything that uses those jobs as subs, you will have to do it without one of their main spells or spend weeks farming for the highly over-inflated price on the few that are available

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>>383717042
There's actually a Linkshell (guild) in the game that's pretty helpful that was started on this website, so if you want some help, you can ask people in this discord channel: https://discord.gg/UWkUkX

>>383717617
>people hated FFXI
In what universe, lad? Sitting currently at an 85 on metacritic with a 7.6 user score.
You can argue that the game is bad and that you don't like it, but the fact of the matter is people fucking loved it and played it to death.

>>383713229

When they first did the game it was more like FFXI and people hated it and it failed. Now it's not and most people like it so of course /v/ hates it and gets into some revisionist history. Ho-hum, business as usual, every game sucks but /v/ needs itself to tell itself why still.

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>>383718017
The universe where it was immediately overshadowed by DaoC and then WoW a year later.

>>383717730

/v/ really needs to start playing some video games again cause it's so far off base with a lot of things these days it's become too obvious most people here don't anymore. They're apparently more interested in commenting on hardware sales and any vaguely political shit that may or may not be topical. This board needs a name change or re-designation or something.

>>383711156

Just because you never get sea access didn't mean other people didn't. Fuck this is a retarded ignorant ass post.

>>383718118
So by your logic, FFXIV would be one of the best MMORPGs of all time alongside current WoW.

>>383712065
Just as well. There's no way you could play NIN as a Damage dealer and keep up with others without spending insane amounts of money.

>>383718118
>more playerbase means better game!

just because you're a literal autist who had problems socializing with people in the game doesn't mean it was a bad game

>>383718118
>In June 2012, Square Enix president Yoichi Wada announced that Final Fantasy XI had become the most profitable title in the Final Fantasy series.

Yeah, it really got overshadowed by being the most profitable game they made until 2012.

>>383718017

>nu/v/
>just make random ass shitposts about something you've never actually experienced or know anything about and hope it's right and/or people play along.

I still remember when /v/ knew at least something about video games and the history of some of them.

FF11 was based on Everquest, which was world-based.

FF14 is based on WoW, which is instance-based.

>>383718072
If you mean xiv (before realm reborn), then no. I have that game's physical copy here still and I can tell you straight up the game was nothing like XI and was bad. It still had more potential than realm reborn though and evolved into more decent game slowly, until it was canned. It was in development hell and not ready for release. Still it was not really similar to XI, expect that it was sandbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0yQKI7Yw4
In this above video you can learn the history a bit, and how Yoshi explains about UO and shit, but ironically XIV has nothing that UO had (just a wow skin).

>>383712065
To be fair SE dropped the ball on this one when they gave NIN most of the gears THF could use at low level.

The way NIN back in the days dealt damage was through it's elemental wheel and that was only viable once you've had the tier 2 spells, at level 40, only then you'd have to throw money to do damage.

They went at it in the wrong manner and couldn't be arsed to fix it as they intended, likewise SAM was supposed to be some evade tank, but with parrying&evasion on par to WAR you'd be dead in no time so no one ever made a tank build out of SAM until later.

RDM & SCH are also a debatable pair of jobs SE went at it poorly. SMN too.

>>383718272
XIV would be the same place as XI if they didn't have the FF brand slapped on it.
>the trash bin
>>383718279
nah senpai, it was bad. The pvp was shit, leveling was a grind, and combat was bland and slow
>>383718306
it's the king of shit mountain, all hail

>>383718017
In this exactly fucking universe
>metacritic
Are you retarded or just pretending to be? Metacritic was made long after game was released

>>383718689
It actually launched 3 years before XI, but the only people who use metacritic for old games like that are autistic nostalgiafats.

>>383718623
RDM was just a Refresh bot. So sad because I love RDM's aesthetic.

>>383718306
>10+ $60 expacks
>shitty non existen support
>monthly sub
Even with 100k players it would be most profitable game
But of course you hate facts, you just want to pretend to be oldfag

>>383718827
>the game was the worst and no one played it and it sucked!!!!
>it was actually very profitable and was in fact their most profitable game
>W-WELL THAT DOESN'T MATTER, IT STILL SUCKED
The point is that people still fucking played the game. It wasn't considered the worst by any margin. You're just pretending to know what you're talking about.

>>383709082
FFXI remake when or single player version that plays similar to FFXII?

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>>383718672
>The pvp was shit
That doesn't make it a bad game, but it does mean that if you're listing that as a negative, then it definitely wasn't the game for you. The other two complaints are big negatives for the game, or at least they were until the game was "modernized" a few years back. Still, back when they were still issues, the rest of the game was good enough to keep people playing.

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>>383719040
>compare game to other MMOs
>b-but it's the best of its own franchise!
autism speaks

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I wish they didn't kill off most of these aspects in the current game, but time ruins literally everything, so I'm just happy the game is still going at all.

I still play these days, but it's mostly for nostalgia, polishing my jobs to insane levels, and being in a LS that does a lot of ERP as the only female elvaan.

>>383718808
RDM was a lot of things, in the beginning it didn't even had refresh and it's enfeeb magic was nothing to write about. It was litteraly the loldrg of the mage jobs.

Once they've got refresh and their enfeebs got buffed that the job shined till someone found out that RDM/NIN was at the time the best tank in the game if you took the time to build hate.

It started declining once SCH came out but only died after that update that buffed the mob's resistance to enfeebs and that 'trigger' shit for more loot or whatever.

1.0 was FF11 2.0 made by the same person and largely the same team and it was a gigaflop that even the nips hated. There is no market anymore.

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>>383719091
If you play it now, it's pretty much single player game with the trusts. (Similar to XII)

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>>383719091
there was a FFXI mobile announced but it may have been canned by now. Also it was being made by Nexon so...

>>383718827
yes the game is dead now and has been on life support for the past 5+ years. what's clear is that you never actually played the game more than a couple months and got bored because you picked drg or drk as your job because they seemed the edgiest. thanks to your severe autism and social anxiety you sat in town all day long not getting any party invites so you blame it on the game and everyone else.

PVP was nonexistent is about the only good point you made

>>383719220
1.0 would have been fine if it didn't take literally 5 seconds between clicking a button and it actually happening. The input delay was one of the worst fucking things I've ever experienced in a video game.

>>383719220
>>383718574

>>383719271
>class is shit
>to the point that no one will accept it to groups
>as opposed to fixing the problem, devs let it remain
that's called bad game design.

>>383719220
Wasn't XIV 1.0/s development outsourced to a Chinese developer for most of the work on it?

>>383718574
>sandbox
Why xi shitters keep using this word?

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>>383719220
1.0 to 1.19 was shit.
1.19 to 1.23 was the game everyone wanted.
2.0...

>>383718672

>bitches about PVP in a PVE driven game.

OH BOY

>bitches about the game not being a theme park quest grinder game

Different kinda game. It was grindy yes. Were you grinding alone ? No. You were usually doing it with other people and that made it enjoyable.

>bitching about combat being slow

It sure did help that it was, given the fact that monsters generally did random TP moves and were unpredictable. The only times they're actually predictable is when they're set up to do a certain thing at certain percentages of health. Given the number of factors that could make fights difficult the pacing was perfectly fine.

>>383709082
I like XIV's gameplay much, much more than XI's, but XI definitely has better atmosphere.
I never liked the slow travel systems though, but I can understand what people see in them

>>383719616
They never played pre-NGE SWG and think that big, uninstanced world = sandbox.

>>383719483
Neither were shit, they were just over saturated because dumb people are drawn to them. If you picked up a class that is that common, but not always useful, you really brought it upon yourself.

You sound like someone who tried this shit out for like a month and ragequit out of patience. I can tell from a lot of your posts that you've familiar in the most basic sense with the game, but not enough to know any details or nuance.

>>383719523
There was too, the whole horsebird / chocopo fiasco.

>>383719784
>the game gets good after a month of play
literally xiii-fag tier, jesus fucking christ

>>383719483
>>383719784
*out of lack of patience

Haven't woken up fully.

>>383719483
They were among the best at endgame so again you clearly didn't play the game. They didn't get exp party invites because they weren't ideal for them. Anyone who isn't retarded would have just made their own party though.

>>383719621
Only things that give 1.23 any value is how abysmally bad the game was at first and how it's not available anymore

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BEEP BEEP BEEP

TIME FOR FISHING

MOONS OUT POLES OUT

>>383719621
1.18 was the best. Yoshi should have just replace class names with job names instead of having both.

Because of language barriers yoshi understand that people were crying that if he renamed the class to a job people would have to start from level 1 again but he should have told them that wasn't the case.

>>383719941
Nigger, it's a MMO, playing it a long time is what it's about. You can't tell me with a straight face a MMO, hell ANY fucking kind of game doesn't have distinct segments of gameplay that are vastly different. Starting a job solo outside of town is different to partying with people is different to end game parties is different to endgame events.

Acting like you understand the full experience because you played the game once for a few days is only showing how ignorant you are.

>>383719997
I kind of want one of those.

>>383719780
It's not in the level of sandbox than UO, but it _was_ still a sandbox, that it relied on the playerbase to keep the game running. You literally could not do anything alone, and economy had to be run by players or nobody could afford anything etc...

I don't care about MMOs. I like FFXIV for the ex primals, savage raids and the music.
FFXI never had anything for me

>>383720130
But nobody was ever able to afford anything unless they were able to exploit the market.

>>383720259
>implying Square banned gil buyers
STEP YA GAME UP LADDY.

>>383720310
But that's against the rules!

>>383716756
>If he knew how to fix the issues the server has it could be great
what issues?

>>383718827
People like you are the reason MMOs are garbage and dead today.

You want what basically amounts to a single player game but with other people also playing the same game next to you so you can chat about it. The instant gratification mindset that you faggots have is cancer to videogames

>>383719984
>They didn't get exp party invites because they weren't ideal for them.
DRG were actualy better then DRK because they could open Distortion and Jump to shed hate. But a lot of DRG would go into pts in a hurry without changing their solo subs, WHM, and their damage output was halved and with no means of turning the mob for the THF you couldn't skillchain.

DRK could at least turn the mob with Souleater, and die in the process. Absorb-TP was helpfull but too few DRKs had the spell or their dark magic leveled to make us of it.

Lack of haste/acc gears was the final straw an everyone got into the mindset that a DRG or DRK was a shitter.

MNK had it worse in their 50s as they couldn't open up Distortion and crabs would kek at their punches.

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>>383717042
>Is it worth it to get the FFXI edition on steam and play it for a month?
The posts ITT are reminiscing about an era long past, when FFXI required groups and lots of time to play and do basic things. This era was approximately from 2003 to 2009.

A certain expansion in 2010 completely reordered the game's genetic makeup, turning it more into a WoWclone instead of what it was originally, an Everquest clone. By 2013 leveling a job to cap took a week to do instead of the 2-3 month process it was before, and horizontal gear progression was replaced with vertical gear progression by 2015.

That being said, if you want to try the game, go for it. The storylines are still all pretty great even if the content is all out of whack. There's very little reason to do LV1-75 content, which is sad because there's so much intricate shit stuffed into the world. If you've got an explorer's mentality and don't mind traversing empty depressing zones hunting NMs (Notorious Monsters) similar to FF12's Hunt System, you might enjoy that too.

Feel free to ask me any questions, although my low-level knowledge about the last 2-3 expansions is next to nil.

>>383720607
Said it already... bcnm ksnm etc fights are disabled because someone was exploiting it somehow. Never fixed just disabled them.

Many JAs don't work properly
Some quests for AF are broken
There's more but I'm too lazy to remember it all

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>>383717550
That's why you chat with your party members and make friends. I still have at least 5 people on my Steam friendlist even though I haven't played the game for 8 years.

If you didn't do that, you missed out

>>383720751
Wasn't solely a lack of acc, it was more the delay was so high you noticed each whiff so much more

All these people nostalgiaing over FFXI without remembering that it takes 6 people 5 hours to wipe your own ass in that game. I'm not 14 anymore, I don't have that kind of time to waste doing nothing.

>>383713229

>combat in XI is better
>literally sitting there while you auto attack until you build enough resource to use a weapon skill while occasionally popping your 5 minute cooldowns

Yeah, no.

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>>383718118
>The universe where it was immediately overshadowed by DaoC

Uh, you got history distorted in your mind or something? DAOC did very well for about 2 years and then dropped off the face of the earth in late 2003. FFXI maintained 500k subs well into mid 2008.

>and then WoW a year later.
Literally everything was, which speaks more to Blizzard's fanbase than it speaks negatively of any other MMO on the market.

>>383721220
Just go play something lobby-based, then. People like you need to stop ruining MMORPGs for the rest of us that make time to play games like this.

>>383718419
what's the point of making an MMO if it's instance-based. the "massively" part of the acronym is tossed away that way

may as well just make your game lobby-based like PSO

>>383721315
XI:
>Actually cooperacting and improvising with your party members
>Preparations for battle were important
>The things you do together as party matter

XIV:
>Mash rotation
>Remember the script of enemy
>No-one communicates

>>383721315
I haven't played XIV since before Heavensward but isn't it just mindless rotations?

>>383721220
There are still lots of people that play ffxi though, so it's not simply nosalgia.

They like what that game offers over new games and they are paying a subscription to do so.

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>>383721541
No, you have to press button 1, then button 2, then button 3, but sometimes you press button 4, then button 5, then button 6!

>>383721532

>implying anyone used skillchains or tanks after Aht Urhgan came out

There was zero coordination from then on. Just accidental skillchains.

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>>383719220
>1.0 was FF11 2.0 made by the same person
Tanaka's only mistake was the fatigue system t.b.h., which had its heart in the right place but ultimately was terribly implemented.

FF14 1.0's primary problems were technological
>made on Crystal Tools engine, which was unfit for MMORPGs
>no hardware mouse yet game was menu-driven
>all interface activity was approved server-side, so doing something so simple as navigating between options was a laggy 60 second+ affair
>artists used as many polygons on a fucking potted plant as they did player characters, which unnecessarily bumped up the specs of the game

I could go on and on. Tanaka's design of the game was the least of its problems.

>>383721220

Its funny because mostly adults have always played 11.

>>383721719

Ah yes, compared to FFXI's

>push attack
>miss
>miss
>hit
>hit
>hit
>miss
>hit
>miss
>hit
>push Berserk
>hit
>miss

SO AMAZING!!!!

>>383709082
I actually like the setting and story of FF14. The problem is that it's just a shitty RPG mechanically. FF11 is legit one of the best JRPGs I've ever played even discounting the online function. 14 is a linear smartphone-tier game that relies on addiction mechanics to keep you coming back.

>>383721743
Coordination is more than just skillchains. The fact you could actually talk during battle is very important aspect of MMO. The combat also is build in way that latency doesn't matter much.

>>383721845
>relies on addiction mechanics to keep you coming back.
what exactly are these mechanics and why does it only affect ffxiv instead of the millions of other WoW clones out there?

>>383721840
You're not supposed to buff in the middle of fights anymore since you'd be losing damage since attacks go off really quickly now at 99.

>>383721934
Because muh XI nostalgia. Never mind the huge grind, that doesn't count because I say so.

>>383720658
this

MMORPGs are for party-based play. Single player offline RPGs already exist for antisocial people. The only solo elements of an MMORPG should be exploration, crafting, and those sorts of tertiary activities.

>>383722017
>tfw douchebags taught RMT how to do Sky

nasomi.com for all your FF11 dreams.

>>383721910
>>383721910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1X1DG8STw

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XIV fags are retarded.

>Damage control their game non-stop
>Massive persecution complex
>Defend all of the asset ripping from XI and the other games (all of the recent hair styles are literally ripped from Final Fantasy zero and Alpha's model is literally ripped from Chocobo Mystery Dungeon on the Wii)
>Shit on WoW like their game is any different
>Shit on WoW despite the fact that literally every change and addition is ripped from WoW
>Call WoW simple and retarded despite the fact that jobs in XIV have less complexity than WoW, even more so in Stormblood
>Act like their game has more choice than WoW despite WoW having more complicated stat weights and additional choices like Talents and Gear Sets/Legendaries
>Jerk-Off about their game's graphics despite it being geometrically much simpler than WoW, just having better, more realistic textures (seriously, the SB zones look worse than XI or Legion zones by and large)
>Dungeons and Raids are getting simpler and simpler (completely linear with zero trash in raids)
>Jerk-Off about the story despite it being plodding, retarded shonen shit that isn't skippable and you're forced to partake in to do any content

I honestly don't get what XIV did to warrant such a rabid, dedicated fanbase.

>>383722143

FFXI's BLM is actually

>Single Target
>Highest tier Blizzard/Thunder spell
>AoE
>Highest Tier Blizzaga/Thundaga spell
>Crowd Control
>Sleep and Bind (resisted because shit-tier enfeebling magic skill)

>>383722158
nasomi a shit

>>383721743
for merit parties i guess. merit parties were not endgame. skillchains were used regularly against HNMs

>>383722143
You could easily make this with the exact opposite message

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>>383721315
>FFXI
>autoattacks and abilities have a pretty beefy delay
>this leaves time to coordinate skillchains with your teammates, whole is greater than the sum of its parts
>chat with them in /p chat between attacks or mob pulls and make friends

>FFXIV/WoW/whatever OCD-MMORPG
>get grouped up automatically by an algorithm, no speaking required
>spam attacks every second like some child on adderall
>grind dungeons endlessly, no speaking required
>wonder why you have no friends

Yeah I'll take the former thanks. If you're pressing a button every 2 seconds like FF14's global cooldown, good luck actually talking to strangers.

>>383722289

Ah, yes. The classic "sit outside of the main alliance and TP until you're full, get subbed in and sneak attack WS and then kicked out to repeat" all while the boss is kited. So engaging!!!!

>>383721934
It does effect all the other WoW clones.

Gear treadmill that routinely makes all your current progress obsolete and makes you grind just to reach the status quo again.

Brain dead quest markers designed to give you an endorphin rush from completing checklists instead of actually having to think.

This is the kind of shit Farmville and Candy Crush type games do.

>>383721220
>I don't have that kind of time to waste doing nothing.
so play an offline RPG you cuck. you're as bad as a SJW, coming in and ruining genres selfishly.

>>383722268
>massive persecution complex

Coming from the blog shitter who made a 1600 character post about why xiv players trigger him?

>>383722369
>chat with them in /p chat between attacks or mob pulls and make friends
Or join a group that has a chat service and use that to speak while fighting in a system that doesn't have literal hour long cool downs, holy shit XIfags.

>>383721203
You have to remember that back then, 2007 and before, hitting a mob gave it at least 10 TP. pts with 2-handers dd would kill slowly but with less TP move done by monster.

It wasn't the acc alone, it was also the haste as that 400+ delay scythe missing meant that the damn crab would punch the PLD at least three times before you rear up your next swing. If the WHM/RDM was slow on his haste cycling...

The day they added sushi was a great day for many DDs, but it also made the shitters harder to spot.

I remember a pt next to mine, MNK THF NIN BRD WHM BLM. They would lose a DD every three fights because the whm couldn't handle the TP spam that much hitting produced, after an hour the MNK left and a RNG took over, the fucker actualy lost two level because the NIN couldn't hold the hate and he wouldn't ease down on spamming shots/Barrage/sidewinder/Slug Shot.

Meanwhile our heavy DD plodded along and we ended with 3 level after some 5h of pt time.

People who praise XI never played it. They probably just watch videos of the high end bosses and jerk themselves off into oblivion.

>>383722268
People spend so much time and money on MMOs that they feel they have to justify it and can't look at their game critically.

MMOs are like bizarro-/v/. With any other genre /v/ is against dumbing down rpg mechanics and making things easier but if you try to level the same criticisms on an MMO you just get called a nostalgiafag.

I love how ffxi still gets monthly updates and gives players FREE cosmetics.

ffxiv gets tri-monthly updates and has a cash shop lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFU1DFFFsTc

>>383722494
I don't think you know what a persecution complex is. We're talking about a fanbase where the most common belief about the current server issues is that Blizzard is launch DDOS attacks because XIV is a "threat" to them.

>>383722272
A lot of bosses are weak to Fire in endgame now, so put that in there, too.

>XI
>got bored after 2 hours

>XIV
>700 hours logged over 3 years

That's all I need to know which I like better.

>>383721987
griding and MMOs used to be synonymous. People played because they enjoyed it. shitters like you who needed instant gratification turned the genre to shit

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>>383722521
>Or join a group that has a chat service
Ah yes, VOIP, when only one person can speak at a time. And when strangers often don't talk to each other due to shyness. And when you can't speak with foreigners like Japs at all, because you can't auto-translate real speech. And you can't filter away annoying messages.

Fuck off VOIPfag. Text chat is better.

>>383722731
millions of people love wow, nothing to be ashamed of
well, kinda

>>383713153
>waiting for the boat
>just barely missing the airship
>waiting for the airship
>waiting LFG to level
>killing time by backstabbing goblins for their onions
>selling stacks of onions to get by, not quite earning enough to buy the spells you need

Still GOAT mmo

>>383719483

DRG was good but people didn't like the fact that the damage wasn't THE BEST. DRG was awesome for all sorts of fights. Angon was the shit. Lowering an enemies defense by 25% was huge.

>>383722694
Yes I do. It's a whiney faggot (you) who cries about other faggots (you) in a long windy post (you) usually accompanied by a frustrated anime avatar (you)

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>>383722798
gaijin go home

>>383722595
>never played it
>high end bosses
Wow smells fishy.

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>>383722268
>Jerk-Off about their game's graphics despite it being geometrically much simpler than WoW
This a million times. Compare this to literally any other modern MMO. Holy shit.

I like the game and I'm currently playing it, but it blows my mind when people say it looks good.

XI is shit. Anyone who says otherwise is just a nostalgiafag who probably only played it for a few months. Actual XI fans don't bitch about XIV on /v/ all day.

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>>383722842
b-b-b-but why can't I have everything handed to me on a silver platter in 20 minutes like FF14!!!!

>>383722595
It's literally the opposite, though. People hear from the few people that disliked the game that it was bad, and then they end up thinking FFXI was bad just because it sounded like a game they wouldn't want to play.

>>383722765
Naw nigga, GW1 wasn't a grind fest, nor did it instantly gratify the player. That was all hard skill, fast-paced combat, and knowledge. XI couldn't even compete.

>>383723018
I played XI and it was the most boring shit ever.

>>383722937
I hate the way characters look in XIV. They look like wax figures

>>383722846
>DRG was awesome for all sorts of fights
>bringing Call Wyvern to a triple SV boss burn

>>383722853
No, not really. Shouldn't you be in a discord server somewhere with a dozen other simpletons grinding out another 30 Susano kills for your flying blue dog mount or something?

WoW was and is still a mistake.

I Spend All Day Crying About Final Fantasy 14!

>>383722937
It has shit anti aliasing.

>>383722375
which fight did people do this for? surely you can tell me since you played the game and know what you're talking about, right? or maybe you're mistaking monks getting subbed in for chi blast after boosting 30 times?

>>383723096
Yes really you whiny crybaby weeb. Go cry about more fan bases you professional victim autist.

>>383722731
I played ffxi for 7 years.

I played ffxiv for 3 weeks.

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>>383723121
It's not fair, they shouldn't have made another massively successful MMO that appeals to a different audience!

>>383723197
I didn't even level up in XI. Once I saw how slow the combat system was I uninstalled.

>>383723121
>>>/vg/182467929

This thread might be your speed then. Also the endless threads that manage to leak onto /v/ because your game is so shitty it's infested with cat spammers and you're driven out of your own containment zone.

>>383723059
>johnny no mates detected

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>>383723249
That's how I felt about WoW and 14. My level 3 character had only 1 or 2 abilities, I mean what the fuck were they thinking?

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>>383723331
>friends all hate slow, shitty combat
>no one wants to play XI with me
Where did it all go wrong?

I don't know how anyone can defend the FF14 main story quest. You just follow map markers talking to people and doing fetch quests. Sometimes there is a single-player combat encounter that is literally impossible to lose because they level requirement to enter it guarantees you can win. If a single player RPG was like that it would be considered horrendous.

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>mfw XIV is going to keep getting more popular and you fat fucks can't stop it

>>383710241
> You won't get a shitty SAM
It's amazing but people still find a way to fuck up despite how streamlined you can get the game.

>>383723408
don't worry anon! just buy the instant level up and instant story skip potions from the cash shop!

>>383723331
The only person I know IRL who plays XI has down syndrome

>>383723418
>less people playing ffxiv now than at launch.

This is a meme though, it's lost players and even after the newest expansion it's numbers are still lower than launch.

Every mmorpg loses players over time, none grow.

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>>383723261
>>>/vg/182460878

>>383723068

Are you retarded? you would always want a DRG for a boss burn as well as a THF for feint.

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Should I play FFXI before it dies forever?
Are there even any private servers in case SE decides to cut the plug?

>>383723538
Nigger, the people who don't play the MMOs fucking hate both XI and XIV.

>>383723508
Lets not bring your mother into this.

>>383723602
Yes to both.

>>383723418
Wonder how they make their money when players zerg through new expansion/major patch content in a month and then unsubscribe for the next 4 months until the next content patch.

Must suck to have a treadmill game

>>383723535
People keep saying this but can't provide a source.

>>383723602
just wait for the mobile version if you wanna see the story.

I like both XI and XIV

>>383710891


This,

FFXIV is nice but it's really REALLY dumbed down.

>No gear choices just equip whatever is highest item lvl

>Every expansion is the same formula, just reskin the dungeons/bosses

>Everything instanced

>No rewards for hardcore players. Do savage, get a weapon thats the best for 2 weeks until its given to casual players

XI was better but wouldn't work today since the UI was just so bad. But completely dumbing down the game and content locking it behind tomestones makes you want to just play for a few weeks after an expansion then forget about it.

>>383723602
>Are there even any private servers in case SE decides to cut the plug?
Yes, I'd recommend nasomi for classic era and Valhalla for accelerated/solo style.

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Fuck FFXIV

>>383723602
It's not really worth playing anymore. People will disagree about exactly when it went to shit (it's when they raised the level cap) There are private servers but they all suck for one reason or another

>>383723658
Is the number of active accounts even officially released anymore?

>>383723602
No it sucks balls.

>>383723772
It never was.

>>383723408
I'll be frank with you, after doing Promathia 3 times for my different characters before they lifted the level cap I too would like to follow map markers and do that easy shit.

If you haven't done the missions with your ls/static pt you are now remembering that one fucker who didn't check a door somewhere and his stuck at the final door in Pso'Xja; the ones you have to lockpick and risk battling a doll/tonberry.

>>383723535
because people subscribe to the game for one month after a new expansion comes out, do everything, then unsub waiting for the next set of content to drop. the game is shit

>>383723602
Play it for 30 minutes then realize you hate it like most people do

>>383723749
>level 30 BLM

>>383723651

Haven't you seen their cash shop? Its loaded with all kinds of bullshit for the people that stay subbed. They have SO many different things for people to waste their money on that could be in the game if they actually knew how to make lasting content.

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Why is /v/ so autistic about FF14? Is it because it's getting more popular?

>>383723163

Uh, every fight? Or are you implying people sat there and TP'd on the boss?

>>383723808
I thought they did near the beginning of ARR to boast how successful it was. Would be nice to be able to have a reliable source for how healthy the game is rather than just tables of statistics released by anonymous sources.

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Is there an XI equivalent of Lyse?

>>383723928
/v/ hates seeing mmos succeed ever since the tortanic.
XI nostlagiafags moreso.

>>383722268
No worse than a WoW shitter tbqh tho

>>383723808
They stated the game had 600k subs at launch and never did again because they stated they lost 60-70% of them.

fyi ffxi peaked at around the same amount of subs, so ffxiv barely managed to beat ffxi numbers and cost about a million times more to make.

>>383723928
>he missed 4.0
You have to go back.

>>383723602
Nasomi is about the best private server there is, but it has its flaws that have been stated in here.

it has a relatively high population for a private server though

>>383723975
What's her deal, punching things? XI has Prishe who is that but also a lot more.

>>383722731
That's all I need to know that you have ADHD and shit taste.

>>383724127
Her deal is doing a complete 180 in terms of likability in her own expansion.

>>383723749
I heard people don't use half those spells in XI, can anyone confirm

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I think I know why /v/ is so autistic about FF14.

We all laughed at it when it came out. Now it's popular even among normies.

It's like bullying a kid in high school then seeing the kid 10 years later taller, happier, and making 6 figures.

>>383723009

You say that but the majority of complaining about XIV is about the minute bits of non-streamlined bits and major story trials that aren't auto-cleared in 15 minutes get nerfed due to community outcry.

The majority of XI wouldn't fly in the current MMO environment, no matter what XI players say.

i have been playing xi for the past few months and the world has been pretty bland so far

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>>383724127
Her deal is being autistic.
>>383724217
She was never really likeable, just never had a chance to show it.

Vanadiel was boring as hell. Just because you aggro strong mobs then die doesn't make it an interesting world.

>>383724318
I still wanna fug.

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>recently came back to XIV after long hiatus
>be a Paladin
>start off as MT on Susano EX
>tank swaps go effortlessly, never lose aggro, move susano if needed for thundercloud
> Fight goes and end smoothly
> "PLD you need to step it up, you only did 1889 DPS"

Why did I decide to play this again?

>>383724224
Yeah, people don't really use ANCIENT MAGIC anymore, but everything has its niche use.

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what the fuck was his problem?

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>>383723975
Basically every expansion has a waifu.

Rise of Zilart had Lion.
Chains of Promathia had Prishe / Ulmia.
Treasures of Aht Urghan had Aphmau / Nashmeira.
Wings of the Goddess had Lilisette.
Seekers of Adoulin had Arciela.
Rhapsodies of Vana'diel had Iroha.

>>383724532
>not reporting them for using a parser

>>383723861

>make lasting content
>relics that take 1-2 years to make and poopsocking NMs is content

Stop pretending you've played XI or would be willing to play XI. The difference between olden MMOs and current MMOs isn't that current MMOs don't give enough content or parse it out well enough. It's that current MMOs doesn't center around extending their content as far as it could realistically go and then appealing to the people who chose to go that far.

>>383724318
I liked what she stood for in 3.4-3.5, but she just became a retard, like a fucking child who hasn't moved past egocentrism.

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>>383724229
Don't know about other people, but it's kind of like League of Legends: I don't like playing it, but all of my friends play it every single day.

>>383721326
>Aion that popular
Fuck i miss that game. Is there an updates version of this data?

Are mmos just complete shit now until something "Dethrones" WoW?

>FFXI
>NM
>Requires advanced planning and coordination with several people
>no rotations, so you have to use your knowledge of the game and your job to know what skill works best at the given situation
>FFXIV
>Savage Raid
>only 8 people
>Dodge the red aoe while pressing 1-2-3 until dead

>>383724259
>The majority of XI wouldn't fly in the current MMO environment
Who the fuck cares about a large population?
Is Drake or Justin Bieber or whatever pop shit is out now "good" because those faggots have fanbases of millions? That's an ad populum argument.

One server of about 1500-2000 concurrent players is all that's necessary to sustain a good in-game economy and have enough players to group up. Anything beyond that is gravy, from a gameplay perspective.

Only companies should care about the sum of all server populations, revenue, and subscription rates (beyond the 2k).

>>383724532

Because boredom, nothing else to play. Thats my excuse anyways. I'm probably going to unsub later today because I can't be bothered doing their idea of "endgame content"

Player retention is so bad on ffxiv they had to add level skip potions to try keep people playing...

The sad part is they openly stated that's why they added them in interviews.

>>383724658

I did. Parsing a pug group is dumb anyway regardless of how you feel about parsers.

>>383720751
>But a lot of DRG would go into pts in a hurry without changing their solo subs, WHM, and their damage output was halved and with no means of turning the mob for the THF you couldn't skillchain.
>Lack of haste/acc gears was the final straw an everyone got into the mindset that a DRG or DRK was a shitter.
What the fuck kind of misguided shit is this?

loldrg comes from the fact a lot of players had gimp gear and wouldn't play properly, I should know as I was one until I got my shit together. If your gear was good and you weren't a shitter DRG was a good job, and even better if you had great gear.

>>383724890
You don't have sub numbers, fatass

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>Mandatory MSQ making it so you're not allowed to do X unless you do Y and Z first to unlock it or pay them for a skip potion
>Alt unfriendly with everything requiring a middleman
>BiS handed to you two weeks after it's released
>Relic grind is absolutely worthless since it's only ever relevant for at most a month
B-b-but you can be everything why would you want alts!?

Because I don't always want to play a fucking cat person, and I'm not shelling $15 dollarydoos every time I get sick of looking at it.

>>383724890
Uhhhh they said they added them because casuals don't want to play 100 hours of MSQ to catch up

>>383724890
It's intentional. The whole point of the gear treadmill is that people get the best gear, quit the game, then re-sub when more gear comes out

>>383724825

>Requires advanced planning and coordination with several people

Hahaha, what?

WAHHHH FF14 WAHHHH

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>>383724939
Don't talk about my ass you pig.

>>383723937
Yes, i am. maybe your linkshell was shit or something idk. 2handed jobs TP'd nearly every HNM. Thief and other low damage per swing jobs didn't

>>383723602

Play the official servers. If you play private servers you will immediately think the game is shit. There persists a bug across all free servers where if you die then you have a chance of being automatically sent back to your homepoint. This is a huge pain in in the ass if you're doing any sort of instanced fight or if you're in a place that is typically a pain in the dick to get to...which is like 90% of the content in FFXI.

>>383724983
Maybe they should have just not locked everything behind the MSQ to begin with

>try to have a nice FFXI thread
>XIV babbies get triggered and have to shitpost on why they spend 15 bucks a month playing a shittier wow clone

>>383724825
You never played XI

>>383724985
Sounds like a shitty exploitative model t.b.h.

>>383725051
Maybe don't buy a fucking game you don't want to play, retard

>>383725026
>that nigga who always hit the shadowbound seiryu

>>383725085
OP post was a direct comparison between the two games, though

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>>383725085
To be fair, FFXIV was mentioned in the OP.

>>383725085
>nice XI thread
>nostalgiawanking and misinformation up the ass
I bet most people ITT never played XI for more than 20 hours

>>383724847
Companies, especially big ones like SE, care about one thing: profit.
Telling a company to limit their playerbase instead of explanding it is basically telling a fish to stop swimming and start flying.

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>>383725085
reread the OP, and I say this as someone who prefers 11 to 14

>>383725085
>Picked up XI on the tailend when everyone was leaving and had no fucking clue how to do anything
>Play XIV to get my MMO fix
>It's just WoW with catgirls and mandatory content that I have no interest in
Seriously, I've read fanfics better than XIV's story.

>>383725085
>FFXI thread
This thread is about XIV and XI. Maybe next time don't bring up games you don't want people to discuss.

>>383725085
>nostalgiacucks in charge of reading

>>383725026

????? What are you laughing about? Explain.

>>383725215
>>383725187
>>383725172
>>383725183
>>383725268
>>383725284
It's just a topic starter to get a thread going instead of just saying: FFXI General and getting deleted by mods. It doesn't actually mean discuss FFXIV.

>>383725315
He's just copying Blizzard.

Mithra are the better cat girls

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FFXI is to FFXIV as Morrowind is to Skyrim

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>>383725085

>>383725421
Both are the pinnacle of their series in different ways?

>>383725332
>DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK APPLES TASTE BETTER THAN PEARS???

200 posts later

>STOP TALKING ABOUT PEARS THAT WAS A CONVERSATION STARTER REEEEE

>>383725332
Then maybe you should just not mention XIV at all.

How is it an XI general if it mentions both games?

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>>383725332
That's not how this works, dude. You can't just bring up a topic and say that that's not what you wanted to talk about.

I like how the races in XI actually had a culture behind them. Races in XIV are purely aesthetic and don't even really have lore.

>>383725421
Both are good for their own reasons and autists pointlessly argue which they like more instead of playing them?

>>383725421
how did we go from this to Miqote
what a disaster

>>383725548
t. blind person

>>383725353
>ffxi players mocked wow and blizzard for years
>most xiv players who came from ffxi and mocked blizzard in the past, now defend blizzard tactics used in their game

>>383725548
Uhhhh......? Not sure about other races but the Au Ra are refugees from Othard due to Garleans' occupation.

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What the hell was this guy's problem?

UHMM, YOU GUYS? ARE THE SERVERS GOING TO SHIT AGAIN?

**le-DDOS face intensifies**

>>383725462
>>383725560
>People on /v/ actually defending Skyrim

Where the fuck am I?

>>383725548
Oh look another dumb fuck talking about a game he never played

>>383725332
>It's just a topic starter to get a thread going instead of just saying: FFXI General
You realize there's no FFXI general on /vg/ and that we can just make FFXI threads... right?

Threads are only generals if they're back-to-back chaining replacements all day long.

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>>383724580
You came to the wrong ocean motherfucker

>>383725353
So if blizzard started selling overpowered weapons on the store you would be ok with ffxiv doing it too?
Apparently you judge what is acceptable by if blizzard does it.

>>383725710
WTF WHY ISN'T THIS BOARD A HIVEMIND REEEEEEEE

You want a circlejerk fuck off to Reddit kiddo

>>383725710
thats how far xivbabs will go to defend their wowclone

>>383725548
I'm going to disagree, plenty of races have a plethora of lore in FFXIV

MY issue, however, is that Seekers of the Sun Miqo'te that show up in game keep featuring Nuhns as the tribe leader, which is actually supposed to be really rare.

>>383725192
>Companies, especially big ones like SE, care about one thing: profit.
So do musicians under big labels. Doesn't mean I have to give about their shit product, like FFXIV or One Direction.

>>383725548
They actually do have some lore behind them, but it's not as prevalent or related to anything the player does for the most part. It's a real shame that most of the lore and fluff is off-screen and not touched upon as much as FFXI did. Heavensward actually seemed to address this issue a bit which is why I liked it more than ARR.

XI was boring. Get over it.

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>>383725873
Or the modern markets with XI.

>>383725654
No problem, just wants you to be the best you can be and beyond

>>383725710
Elder Scrolls is my favorite series, actually, Skyrim is the second best one.

>>383725787
Are you fucking stupid? I'm defending that faggotry you idiot, I'm pointing out that the only reason XIV is successful is because they keep doing the same stupid shit Blizzard does.

>>383725721
FF14 races' history boils down to: look at us, we ripped off the 11 races

>>383725721
>>383725631
>>383725585
What I mean is, Mithra in FFXI had a shared aesthetic, they were mischievous, amazonian warriors who came from the jungle.

In FFXIV Miquo'te live everywhere, all just have random piercings and tattoos and look like an eighth graders original character.

>>383725873

No one cares if you do or not you whiny hipster. MMOs are no longer new territory and now the only way you want the dream horizontal MMO progression of your shit childhood is if you make it yourself.

>>383726002
Dude did you actually even read about the Miquo'te?

>want to make a mongol nomad because I like the lore
>it's the edgelord donut steel demon sanic race
why did you do this to me

>>383725924
I don't play modern XI, so I don't see what your point is. They deliberately bombed the game in 2010 so that the population would move to 14.

>>383725887
>but it's not as prevalent or related to anything the player does for the most part
Which is rather sad, I play cat on 14 and had a few quests were cat race was being put disparaged, yet not once was it alluded to my character being a cat.

>>383725993
It's not a success though retard, that's why they had to add a cash shop lmao

>>383726002
>In FFXIV Miquo'te live everywhere

No shit, they were a migration wave, mostly settling in La Noscea and Gyr Abania. That was hundreds, maybe thousands, of years ago, so they took to local cultures more as well.

>>383726087
Pretty sure the level cap increase did enough of the bombing for that not to be the case.

>>383726002
That's what happens when people are allowed to customize their characters in more ways than just choosing a preset face and hair color. The game does seem to push aside its lore if it gets in the way of gameplay, though, instead of working around it.

XI was shit. XI is shit. XI will die as shit.

I don't at XIV but I understand why core gamers prefer it.

Set aside your autism and learn to be objective.

Dutyfinder/raidfinder/partyfinder is one of those unintended consequences. Before we had it we'd crave it and wish it was an option but now that we do have it it ruins the networking and just the hard step of asking for a group in groupchat (sarcastic about the difficulty of doing so. That's how I met friends back in early WOW or Anarchy Online).

>>383719147

>Female elezen

Lucky duck. I love elezen/elvaan even if they are giraffes.

>>383721326

I am shocked Lineage was doing more than Everquest. Way I remembered hearing about it back in the day I thought EQ was the top dog.

>>383712017
Did you even ever do Proto Omega/Ultima?

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>buy ffxiv on steam
>think it's going to be ffxi with higher quality graphics
>mfw it's shit

>>383726072
Make one that doesn't look edgy then?

>>383725996
>FF14 races' history boils down to: look at us, we ripped off the 11 races
So what you're saying is...
Square ripped off Square in making another Final Fantasy game?

>>383726143
I hate cultural appropriation. Cats should only be cats.

>>383725996

Yeah, the Mithra were totally well realized catgirls that've never been seen in any medium. Other great races such as tarutaru (gnomes), Elvaan (elves), and humes (humans). Amazing, how did XI devs come up with it.

>>383726229
But XI was shit

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>>383710891
>besieged

PROTECT
MIHLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrejacQVb3A

>>383725183

we can all agree whether we like XI or XIV that Mithra > miqo'te.

>>383726130
It's successful enough to warrant the constant chatter it gets.

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>>383726229
>expect shit
>get shit

>>383726002
>In FFXIV Miquo'te live everywhere
Forgotten Springs, a small village that is composed of nothing but Miquo'te.

>>383725090
More like you never played before the level cap increase.

Before everything because easy mode melee spam you actually had to plan out what jobs to bring for fights. There was strategy involved in the fights as well. I'm not gonna lie and say it was super elaborate as most of them revolved around your 2hour ability and when to use them, but it was still more strategy than dodging a red circle

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>>383725893
Yeah I'm sure a 12 year old kid like you would find Tolstoy or King boring too, but that speaks more about you than it speaks of the authors.

>>383726229
I know you're lying because there's a free trial. Or you're just that stupid.

>>383726241
Have you seen their hairstyles, you're asking for the impossible