I guess this guy was speaking some truth... or was Ulysses a

>>383696317
A mouth piece for the writers about how the Fallout world has to end, otherwise you get stupid shit like Fallout 3 and 4.

>>383696684
>has to end
in nuclear destruction?
I had a hard time deciding who to blow up at first

>>383696751
That's because you are a fucking dipshit and too dumb to understand simple words.

>>383696832
I'm sorry video games get you so angry.

>>383696317

>BULLBEARBULLBEARBULLBEAR

The worst fucking DLC in the history of DLC and game expansions. At least you get to kill the cuntnugget.

why was fallout 4 so bad anyway? They had a clean setting but came up with the most boring story that makes no sense. They could have done anything....

>>383696832
hey I chose to blow them both up
I mean I guess he'd be right
I never did like following anybody

didn't think he was still Legion though
what with the missiles aimed at the NCR and shit

>>383697110
Bethesda writers.

>>383697023
in Spanish California they used to capture California grizzly bears and make them fight Spanish bulls in the arena

that's why >DABEARNDABULL is actually pretty good

>>383697023
nah I'd say Honest Hearts is worse
fucking fetch quests all over
at least Zion was pleasing to look at

>>383697110
>3: find your dad
>4: find your son
BGS gets some bits of the world and lore right, but they really should be asking for help writing something fresh

>>383697304

>oooh a reference
>better repeat it 300 fucking times

>>383697304
It's also good because burbuls is a meme argument.

Ulysses seems retarded because he's like literally every single terrorist in the world - fucking delusional.

>>383696317
>I'M ANGRY!
>ANGRY AT HAPPENSTANCE!!

Ulysses was a poorly written shit stain of a character, and his DLC sucked.

>>383697434
>>383697550
yeah he was obnoxiously cryptic most of the time
it's a video game, yeah, but come on, no one talks like that in real life

>>383697803
He was cryptic because he knew his own philosophy was full of holes, so he dressed it up in purple prose to make it seem "deep".

The writer is to blame more than anything.

>>383697110
The fucked up part is that they could have fixed it with almost no effort. At the script-writing level we're talking window edits. Pagliarulo's admission they don't even maintain bibles for projects from start to finish really was an eye opener - it almost entirely ties all the flaws in the game together.

>>383698060
yeah I can see why they cut him out of the main game

or maybe we can just say he got hit in the head after the Divide blew up

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>>383697304
That's nice and all but it's a reference to the economic terms of Bear and Bull Markets, with the Bear being a downward trend (NCR is suffering in the Mojave) and the Bull being an upward trend (Legion is set to take the Dam if someone doesn't stop them)

>>383698660
But who is Fearless girl?

>>383697110
HATE NEWSPAPERS

This is the writing team you're talking about.

>>383698702
You

>>383696317
The dlcs overarching message is to that of a fallout NV fan/classic fallout fan who knew full well obsidian would never get another shot at the game.

In dead money, they try their best to let go, but many of them try too hard to save relics if the past, that really don't deserve to be saved (gold bars, dean).

In Hh some become vengeful and try to fight back, while some realize what's going on and walk away.

In OWB NV fans are the think tank, purposely isolating themselves from progress to focus on their own on the form of modding, discussions on v, etc. They've gone crazy and lost touch with the original message of the game to let go.

In LR, NV fans go full bearandbull crazy and destroy everything. We see this now as NV posters baitpost fallout 4 threads. Instead of suggesting how it improve, they just post random info graphics and start fights that prevent meaningful discussion.

I learned to let go a while ago, you guys need to as well.

>>383696317

he saw the courier bring a package that royally fucked up the divide. And he sought an answer to why the courier did it, when of course he couldn't find one because you were unaware he couldn't fucking handle that something so event changing was without purpose.

>>383698660
That would imply that Caesar is the best option for economic growth in the region though

>>383699007
Legion money is worth more than NCR money so it's technically true

>>383696317
A terribly written pseudo intellectual that can't string together a coherent sentence.

Avellone is a one trick pony writer who can only write equally obnoxious pseudo-intellectuals, except you have no way to call them contrarian/bitter retards in the game so Avellone gets to write out the one universal response to his faggotry: "Shut the fuck up, Chris."

It's his own little wish fulfillment.

>>383699274
the Euro is worth more than the Yuan, yet nobody denies China is stronger than the EU

>>383699701
China is a gigantic house of cards. If you want to see what China will look like after its glory period, look at Japan.

>>383696317
is that woolie

>>383699957
Not necessarily my point. The strength of a nation's dollar is not necessarily an indicator of the strength of that nation's economy. The US Dollar is also weaker than the GBP

>>383698820
I'm printscreening this for future reference

>>383698363
not even for TES?
jeez

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Am I the only one who enjoyed fallout 3?

>>383700341
What did you enjoy from it

>>383700341
It was a reasonably enjoyable game for what it was, but it didn't remotely live up to the series it was supposed to be reviving.

>>383700341
FO3 and NV >>>>>>>>>FO Erotic Fanfics>>>>>>>>>> FO4

>>383700341
the world was more engaging, at least
with iron sights it's better than 4

>>383700341

I enjoyed it too, even though I could see its flaws. I didn't enjoy the setting and atmosphere in NV as much and FO4 is fucking awful.

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Reminder that Fallout is now too post-post apocalyptic and NCR should be nuked so the series can return to its purely post-apocalyptic routes

You know, like the first game where it was 80 years after the bombs and society was recovering so well that they had a reasonably stable economy with a single established currency. That's the kind of post-apocalypse we need. None of this "everyone's rebuilding and doing trade and having governments" shit.

>>383696317
Badly written self-insert for Chris Avellone. Of course I know there's that justification everyone breaks out of "he's supposed to be crazy!" except that's never demonstrated by anything he says or does in game.

>>383698938
>And he sought an answer to why the courier did it,
>when of course he couldn't find one because you were unaware he couldn't fucking handle that something so event changing was without purpose.
it was the reason I couldn't take any of Lonesome Road seriously
at least I got non-faction riot gear

>>383700943
But Fallout 1 still had large citites and there was areas that was rebuilt.

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>>383697110
The marketing executives knew that the game would sell really well with normies even if their was no effort put into development. I imagine they were looking to cut costs and save time so screenwriting got assigned to a team of unpaid interns.

>>383700943
Fallout is supposed to be post-post apocalyptic, not this Mad Max shit that Bethesda shoves down our throats.

the worst mary sue in fallout
chris avellone is a hack

>>383698820
or maybe they just tried to focus on making fun dlc?

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>Avellone directed DM, OWB and LR
>Ulysses gets fellated hard in DM and OWB before the shitshow of LR itself
>Sawyer directed HH
>Ulysses gets a single line reference you'll miss if you're not looking for it

I wonder if that hurt Avellone's feelings

>>383700678
whats FO: Erotic Fanfics?

>U-Ulysses is a marisuee
So just like Cour 6?

>>383701346
Mad Max was one of the biggest influences on the original Fallout and was itself pretty post-post apocalyptic. I mean he's a fucking cop in the first one. The sequels had him venturing to less civilized territory but the first one made it clear there's still civilization.

The thing that really bothered me about Ulysses is constantly sounds like he's blaming you, yet whenever you suggest that he's like "no not really." Then goes back to how "YOU BROUGHT THAT PACKAGE, AND THAT MACHIIIIINNNEEEE, YOU CAUSED THIS, COURIER."

Also fuck off with him having 10 in all his special stats. I can understand why for the two named marked men at dry wells and long 15 since they're more just random bosses but what makes Ulysses so great? I want to know if they changed if he was always suppose to be like that when he was going to be in the base game or if Avellone changed him into what we got.

>>383702378
What I meant by Mad Max is that Bethesda likes to make their settings bleak and dead, with marauding bands controlling the land and normal people barely struggling to survive. Fallout is different from that, it's more about how humanity is able to rebuild after the apocalypse, but still hasn't learned their lesson from the war, and they continue to wage war with each other over small scraps of territory.

>>383696317

he is literally like soulsfags, seeking deep and meaningful reasons behind simple and mundane events

>NO YOU DID THIS BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO SHAPE THE DIVIDE
>YOU SAW THE POTENTIAL
>YOU DID THIS
>YOU CREATED THE DIVIDE AND YOU DESTROYED IT
FUCKING RETARD I JUST DID MY JOB LIKE ALWAYS I DON'T EVEN LIKE CANYONS FUCK OFF WITH YOUR BEARS AND BULLS DIE PSYCHOTIC FAGGOT

>>383697110

>clean

the whole game and plot is literally based on a half hassed side quest from fallout 3 lmao

>>383699007

caravans under caesar are never attacked and his lands are 100% raider free

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>>383702050
This is my Courier OC Ulysses he has 10 in every SPECIAL because he's the best and he wears an American flag because he's dead smart about history and he's named after the Civil War not the Greeks and he talks in cryptic metaphors because he's so deep and intellectual and you better watch out because he's gonna nuke your house if you piss him off

i want to FUCK piper

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>>383697110
It felt like a generic fps game because it barely holds any rpg elements Imo.

>>383697110
Because you believe everything you read on /v/.

>>383697110
because bethesda has literally NO WRITERS
the entire fucking game just consists of random boring ideas that they were completely unable to turn into a cohesive whole
they literally came up with a plot twist, tried to built a story around it and then tried to fill the thousands of plotholes while overlooking million others

i wish new vegas was a dog so i could pet him

>>383703934
>him

>>383702686
yet the Courier answered the call

>>383702873
yeah cause Legion are just organized raiders

>>383702562
just finished LR today

>The thing that really bothered me about Ulysses is constantly sounds like he's blaming you,
>yet whenever you suggest that he's like "no not really."
he was more like "lol no"
guy was a fucking scumbag
fucking sniped him on my way in

>>383696832
This flip was so butthurt about your reply he linked your post on another board for support
>>>/bant/1396896

>>383698363
the scripting for Skyrim was a god damned travesty, they need to fire those programmers and dump the language

Ulysses was a terrible character too, most of his dialogue makes no sense. I'm guessing you were supposed to have known the character before you got amnesia but fuck if I cared by the time I could shoot him.

>>383696751
Filipinos, I swear

>>383696684
I thought he was specifically Avellone's mouth piece, and the direction he wants the Fallout universe to go. Nobody rebuilds, or they rebuild and it gets destroyed again. A world of perpetual post-apocalypse, there will never be civilization again.

>>383702378
Correct me if I'm misunderstanding but are you implying that the first Mad Max was post apocalyptic and in the same time frame as the sequels?
Keep in mind that society collapses between the first and second films meaning any semblance of original civilization is likely gone.

>>383704234
:)

>>383704080
amused, really
video games get him so angry

I always thought the entirety of the story of Lonesome Road wasn't meant to be taken literally, but was supposed to be a parable about how people try to rebuilt the world to be the same world as before and how that is a pointless endevaour.
Just like the main game, but much more upfront about it. Like it isn't about you accidentally blowing up a city by delivering a package it is about you as a courier destroying this new civilization by bringing in the ideas of the old world. It wasn't supposed to be literal. but a metaphor.
Not saying that this was well executed or anything, especially considering how much it clashes with the rest of the game, but I do appreciate Avellone trying to do something different.

>>383704808
I thought he was there to break the fourth wall whenever he mentions your lack of allegiance
I did feel ashamed not really sticking to any one faction

>>383705616
I though the faction stuff was particularly cool, but it was just awfully implemented. The only way you could get the Yes Man options was if you were completely neutral towards the other three factions. That's basically impossible as far as I'm concerned.

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>abloobloo you inadvertently blew up my home I hate you
Yeah that's great. Remember when you skipped out on a job and it got me shot in the head, allowing me to become a wasteland demigod? Or the time you told a crazy old bastard about a deathtrap casino and he started kidnapping people? Or the time you asked a bunch of insane brains in jars about history and almost let them out of containment? Or when you taught a bunch of tribal niggers how to fight and they wiped an entire town off the map?

Fucking hypocrite

>>383705616
the game encourages playing multiple factions and expects you to gain status with most of the side ones like the Boomers just to progress. The developers making a point about how you played the game the way they designed it is a shitty cop-out that plagues moralizing in writing.

>>383706056
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/44042/?

>>383706315
Yeah, I know there is a mod that fixes it. It's still fucking retarded.

>>383699007
Not all economic growth is sustainable long-term.

>>383698660
>>383697304
So who usually won this Bear vs Bull fights? Talking about the actual animals here

>>383706315
what in the goddamn...

thank fuck I have a save file at home where I didn't touch any of the DLC yet

>>383706237
>The developers making a point about how you played the game the way they designed it is a shitty cop-out that plagues moralizing in writing.
oh yeah I noticed that right off the bat

>steal from Powder Gangers
>gain negative Karma
like wtf man is this game for real

>>383707036
>like wtf man is this game for real
there are like 2 instances where karma ever matters

karma is just a remnant of fallout 3 that they didn't bother to take out

>>383707036
That was an oversight

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>>383703039
careful anon
that mouth looks like a shredder

>>383707141
>>383707249
figures
sure popped up a lot in places
might as well mod it out soon

>>383706710
jamie, pull that up

>>383706226
Fucking this. Didn't he also get triggered because they copied his hair bullshit without really knowing what it meant to his tribe?

What kind of shit is that anyway?

>>383696317

THE KEK AND THE BULL

>>383708384
I mean his tribe was literally called the Twisted Hairs but I understand your point.

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Can we all agree that Joshua was the best written

>>383709028
>When our Lord entered the temple and found it polluted by money-changers and beasts, did he {emph.} ask them to leave? Did he cry? Did he simply walk away?
>No. He {emph.} drove them out. It is one thing to forgive a slap across my cheek, but an insult to the Lord requires... no, it {emph.} demands correction.
In a modern setting he'd be a Muslim extremist shooting cartoonists

>>383708805
I get that, I just think the whole idea of recording your history and such through dreadlocks is fucking weird.

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I wish there was an option to drop the nuke on the boomers.
>nearly kill you with fucking missile launchers just from stepping near their territory
>uhhh noo ants are fucking our shit up, even though we're heavily armed with explosives can you kill them for us
>anon can you help us recover a plane
>wow anon thanks we'll help you with retaking the dam
>the plane doesn't do shit and just makes noise

Fuck the boomers, I wish we had more places to drop a nuke on in the Mojave. I'd probably drop one on the raiders camps so they stop spawning and fuck off.

>>383709641
>missile launchers
Those are howitzers, anon
>ants
They've been eating gunpowder and explode if you kill them with certain weapons, which they'll tell you

>>383709641
Just murder fucking everyone in the wasteland.

Has anyone actually done this? I mean, I know Raiders will respawn, but can you literally just clean out towns/cities and make the civilized world barren?

>>383704289
He was, that's why the same DLC has the bullshit about tunnelers. The series ideally isn't about the apocalypse, it's about people rebuilding afterwards and how society shapes itself, but Avellone says no, fuck that, everything is going to turn to shit because I said so and no one will ever leave their tin-can hutches.

>>383710284
Yes, it's just incredibly boring

>>383710420
What was the reason Avellone was so buttblasted?

>>383709523
In the past, Mormons didn't fuck around. Look up the Mountain Meadows Massacre. When Joseph Smith was alive they also raised up the largest standing military in the United States.

>>383710284
Yes you can. Basically monsters/raiders move in empty towns.

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>>383709028
Yes, he is.

>Every day, we move closer to our judgment. We must do our best to walk in the footsteps of our Lord and teach others how to do the same.

>For many of us, the road is a difficult one, but the path is always there for us to follow, no matter how many times we may fall.

>Do you ever "fall?"

>Every day. Some days are... harder than others.

>>383702378
He's a cop in the first one because in the first Mad Max movie the apocalypse hasn't actually happened yet. The world is obviously going in that direction- civil unrest out the ass and resource shortages galore- but there's still a government, there's still police forces, there's still people who live normal lives in their homes with working electricity, cable TV, and the daily newspaper.

It's between the first and second movies that it all goes to hell (hence the montage of nuclear explosion stock footage at the start of Road Warrior).

>>383710420
Fallout New Vegas is already almost at the point where society has rebuilt itself. That's why Avellone wanted to clean the slate.
I mean, after New Vegas, the region is pretty settled.

>>383710475
Who fucking knows? After pillars he hates obsidian, properly because he wrote a shitload of stuff for his two characters in that game, Durance and Grieving mother, and they had to cut a ton of it.

>>383711029
is he surprised? durance never shuts up as it is and most of his dialogue is just inane babble

Avellone vs Sawyer


who wins?

>>383711201
Durance was an annoying shit. But grieving mother was good, mostly because she is silent and her backstory is actually interesting.

>>383711231
shit writer vs shit game designer

>>383711231
My cock

>>383711384
I honestly thought the complete opposite. I thought Durance, while a cunt was still interesting, and found grieving mother to be boring.

>>383710875
You could see society being rebuilt as early as FO1 and 2- Vault City, anyone? Or how about Shady Sands, which goes from a coupe mud-huts to a town with brick houses and actual PAVED STREETS, to a totally self-sufficient city with population in the five digits that acts as capital of the NCR?

>>383697110
fallout 4's writing isn't even what I hate the most about it
i hate that they removed damn near every rpg element and still claim that it's a fallout game
fucking embarrassing

>>383711526
Lets agree to have differing opinions and call each other fags.
Fag.

>>383711542
Yeah, even more reasons to clean the slate. I don't even know why this makes people so mad, it's not like Avellone is going to be involved in any other Fallout game ever again, or that anyone else is going to do something with the Tunnelers.

>>383697402
Honest Hearts is best because it lets you roleplay as a selfish character and still finish the DLC. Just kill the priest, steal the map, and leave.

>>383711768
>Yeah, even more reasons to clean the slate.
go to bed avellone

>>383711751
Deal.
Fag.

>>383700943

I agree. Fallout needs to change its tone back to nobledark. Fallout 2 had way to much influence on the series. I think a better way to approach this is to take it to a new location like Texas/the deep South that's away from the other games or find another place in the timeline closer to when the nukes fell though

>>383696317
He is a mindbroken insano fuck who cannot comprehend that something as horrible as Hopeville getting nuked happened for no damn reason at all and thus comes up with a bunch of conspiracy shit to rationalize bad shit happening.

He tries to rationalize things that can't be rationalized and it drove him bugfuck crazy because it doesn't line up with how he understands how the world works. I wish that he wasn't specifically targeting the player character and instead was just trying to lure any courier he could into the Divide deathtrap as part of his revenge fantasies. You can tell him he has the wrong courier but he doesn't give a fuck cause he is nuts.

He couldn't let go.

>>383711794
>not having Joshua bust a cap on Chief Gobblegook's head

>>383712252
>He tries to rationalize things that can't be rationalized and it drove him bugfuck crazy because it doesn't line up with how he understands how the world works.
well... he is a tribesman

>>383712385
I did just that earlier

>>383711794
yeah I don't know why I didn't just take the map
something compelled me to see Joshua

>>383712847
that hallucinogenic tea quest was my favorite, forgot to add

>>383711768
>series starts with certain setting
>it's too advanced lets restart
absolute nonsense. Every Obsidian Fallout established that the world of the Fallout series has already rebuilt following the apocalypse.

>>383711703
consider it a spinoff with a number appended for some reason

>>383711768
wait
what's wrong with the Tunnelers
other than them being creepy as fuck

>>383713805
Avellone wants them to be presented as this big threat that's going to fuck up the mojave, even though bright lights or fire scare the shot out of them. Them killing a deathclaw in the divide is suppose to show how a small pack can easily take down a deathclaw, when the deathclaw itself is scripted to have 1hp anyway.

>>383713805
The tunnelers are supposed to be major assholes capable of destroying New Vegas. They just seem like more capable wolves to me though.

>>383696317

Chris Avellone's pretentious mouth piece. Pretty much the worst part of NV

>>383714084
>this big threat that's going to fuck up the mojave,
>even though bright lights or fire scare the shot out of them
now that is an oversight

>>383704116
You were supposed to have known him because there were hints of him all over the game.