Digital Foundry: "No other company cares about 60fps as

Is this the LOL thread?

>>383676632
Yeah, their flagman - Zelda, clearly shows it.

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>>383676694

>>383676632
You would think 60fps would be easy to obtain for them since their games are 99% bland cartoons. I guess making your """"console""""" a tablet with a dock isn't the best for framerate.

They are not wrong though, literally everyone else goes with 30FPS.

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>>383676632

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>>383676632
"No other company cares about raping their customers with dated hardware while being sold at premium price with shitty ps2 graphics and empty worlds as much as Nintendo"

That's what you get for buying trash switch, b-but muh 60fps, b-but muh mario and overrated botw.
You could get that with even better graphics on better hardware, it's matter of optimization, also who cares about those awful series? only nintendo shills.
Nintendo games would be best played on pc, they could upgrade graphics and world to today standards - Witcher 3, Skyrim/Fallout 4, Gta v. While still being able to play at 60fps and more.

>>383676792
>b- but colorful games are simplistic and not demanding at all
Yet Crash Bandicoot runs in fucking 30fps on Ps4, a significantly more powerful system.

It's called having an inique artstyle.

That DF retard is so desperate to shill he mentioned "80% of switch games run in 60fps" while almost all of them are neogeo classics and indies

>>383676694
>>383676876
he literally addresses Zelda in the same sentence you fuckwits

>>383676916
Lmao, that "dated hardware" is producing games with better performance than most games on XBO or Ps4.

>>383676937
Not to mention that it's a remake of a game that came out in the 90s lol

>>383676946
A lot of Neo Geo games (like Metal Slug) run at 30 actually.

>>383676937
Crash has a lot more going on than your average bing bing wahoo fare to be fair.
>It's called creating infantile games to appeal to your core demographic of children and manchildren
FTFY

it's pretty easy to be 60fps when your games are 720p and look like dogshit

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>>383677016
because they sacrifice graphics on their shit hardware to make it work at 60fps, look at any cod, doom, titanfall 2, overwatch, sniper elite 3, Vanishing of Ethan Carter, Warframe, Trine 2-3, nu-Wolfenstien they look miles better but still run at 60fps.

>>383676786
Special needs Zelda is best Zelda.

>>383677084
>crash has a lot more going on
Such as?

>>383676937
because it ran at 30fps originally, and it's a remake.

>>383677084
The Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) is a video game rating organization created to protect minors. All Crash Bandicoot games have been rated by it. Its ratings are: EC: Aimed at toddlers around the age of 3.

>>383677195
Why is Yakuza 1 remake 60 fps on PS4 while 30 fps on PS2?

>>383676786
posting this image doesn't invalidate the game's flaws

>>383677220
because Vicarious Visions are lazy and untalented

>>383677220
Really gets the noggin' joggin'

>>383677185
More fleshed out worlds, enemies, and levels with graphics that are still better than modern nintendo games despite being 2 decades old.

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>>383677016
also if we speak about games like BOTW game can't even keep up 30fps and drops to low as 5-25fps all the time. While on PS4/XB1 and especially PC you can run those much better open world games at 30fps (60fps+ on pc with enhanced graphics). Nintendo Switch is a fucking joke, and you are an idiot for buying this shit.

>>383677237
Pointing out the game's flaw doesn't invalidatesthe butthurt neither.

>>383677220
SONYGROS BTFO

>>383677220
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>383677297
Pointing out flaws isn't butthurt. Not everything is an attack against you.

>You will never be a mad sonybabby

feels good man

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>>383676937
Crash was made to run at 30FPS to keep it feeling like the original games

Is there anything more cancerous than the comments section of a DF video? Besides screenshots of said video being used out of context to start a thread on /v/ anyways.

>>383677219
It's funny that the nintenbabies are the ones brining up equally childish games as arguments and bringing up ESRB ratings. Nintendo games are literally designed for toddlers, even crash still being a kids game has more difficulty.

>>383677289
Serious question why didn't nintendo go with 2.6GHz i5 mobile CPU?

john is the comfiest df host although he isnt quite as sexy as tom

>>383676632
Call me again when console care to push above 60. I have no interest in these inferior video game boxes until then.

>>383677359
/v/

if nintendo cares about framerate, why is Metroid Samus Returns a 30fps game? it looks straight off the dreamcast

>>383676632
As if literal children give half a fuck how many frames there is when Mario jumps.

>>383677284
>More fleshed out worlds, enemies, and levels
Compared to Mario games or what? Levels in Crash are short as hell, enemies are extremely generic and the world is literally a tiny hub with 6 levels to select.

>>383677220
Because it wasn't designed to be exactly like the original dipshit

>>383677350
You're the one that takes it personally, bud.
I'm not even the guy that uploaded that pic nor do I own a Sony or Nintendo console, I just like to keep up with videogames news of any sort and enjoy the butthurt.

>>383676876
That doesn't happen post-patch

>>383677391
Considering the 3DS hardware I'd say it looking like a Dreamcast game is a compliment.

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>>383677284
>More fleshed out worlds, enemies, and levels with graphics

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>>383677424
>You're the one that takes it personally, bud.
I don't have an image macro that I spam when people chat shit about a game I like.

>>383677391
It's in 3D though, so technically it is rendering 60fps.

>>383677423
Why is REmake on PC 60 fps then?

>>383677289
>GFLOPS being the new mhz myth

>>383677493
ok then like

don't

render it in 3D

>>383676632
I don't understand why some Youtube channels are allowed to be referenced in thread OPs, but others will result in an automatic thread deletion regardless of how much games discussion is going on in the thread.

>>383677501
REmake has a 30fps option.

>>383677489
Not my post. Stop being so paranoid.

>>383677489
mental illness

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>>383677289

>pay extra
>still get drops
>not even native 4k

PS4 Pro can't even keep 30fps

embarrassing

All consoles shit the bed on hardware, being the nicest smelling pile of shit doesn't mean anything.

>>383677489
>he only posts it when someone is mad enough about zelda to make a shitpost thread about it

this doesn't have to sony games at all

mostly because people don't even talk about them kek

>>383677354
>Crash was made to run at 30FPS to keep it feeling like the original games

Yet they changed the jump physics, several levels exhibit buggy hitboxes, load times are worse than a fucking PS1 game (one that was designed specifically to have fast load times)

Nigger you be crazy.

>>383677547
>Stop being so paranoid.
It's a fucking anonymous imageboard. When you butt into a reply chain, I'm going to assume you're the original poster.

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>>383677501
Are you just going to keep bringing up more and more games that have less and less to do with the point to be an obnoxious faggot?
Shut the fuck up

>>383677145
Surely nobody is going to doubt you that they look better.
But looking better doesn't mean those games are more fun. Also your image is pretty bullshit. If Botw was multiplat you'd also be loving it, just arguing that it's better on ps4 pro and collecting your sonycorp yuan

>>383677423
Man, I can't wait for Shadow of the Colossus PS4 remake at 18 fps.

>>383677016
>with better performance
At 648p.

>>383677519
Digital Foundry is just straight numbers with a bit of opinion on those numbers, not e-celeb shit. Unfortunately that doesn't save discussion surrounding their videos from being absolute cancer.

>>383677519
e-drama is cancer.

>>383677559
>He's mentally ill for posting a picture in a thread that is made daily
>The person who is obsessed with shitting on zelda isn't mentally ill tho

really joggin my noggin

>>383677423

Why does crash have different jump physics and hitboxes then?

>>383677642
>only one person dislikes zelda

>>383677601
If you don't want people to enter a conversation then shut the fuck up.

Lmao all those asshurt sonyggs

>>383677510
Why not? I've heard it looks fantastic in 3D. There's so few games nowadays that use the 3D so it pretty happy they went for it with Metroid.

>>383677610
>defending 30 fps cap on a "cartoney" game Switch should be able to run at 60 fps
They should just release original PSX version instead, if you want original feel.

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>>383677368
Cost, typical customer won't want to pay more than $300 up front for console and just like Sony/M$ they are jews and know that their customers don't look at specs and don't care about performance and will buy anything they give them even if graphics and world would be empty due shit specs (switch) and performance in open world games will be shit (switch, ps4, xb1). Everything is all about marketing, look how Sony could market something being wrong with performance (24fps drops) as something good - Cinematic Experience, while Nintendo just shut up about fps drops/graphics/empty world due trash hardware and spend millions on ads and let fanboys just to buy their games.

>>383677621
no difference and still going to look great on the small screen when playing handheld

>>383677675
because I would rather have it be 60 fps

>>383677583
>implying Horizon made in a 2012 APU is not the best graphics of this generation

Console games should just start having graphics settings for 30 and 60 fps modes so everyone can be happy.

>>383677354
Do people actually believe this? If this were the case, I would have expected them to keep the same resolution and models too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM523jjrvf4
"Life of Black Tiger is an interactive adventure story game is set in jungle, field, and forest surroundings. You can have a vivid and realistic experience through in various missions."

>>383677689
>no difference
>basically 640p
>with wiiu visuals
>MUH 60 FPS
It isn't really an achievement.

>>383677701

The reply before mine said I could play better open world games at 30fps

But clearly I can't

>>383677585
>not counting crash, yakuza, and occasional bb threads

>>383677489
That reminds me, there was a thread yesterday making fun of 2.5D games from nintendo and some guy poster that image for some reason, no one was even talking about zelda in that thread

>>383677635
>Digital Foundry is just straight numbers with a bit of opinion on those numbers, not e-celeb shit
Completely arbitrary distinction. Lots of other channels feature factual content, while DF also express subjective opinions in their videos. "E-celeb" is a completely meaningless term.

>>383677729
>Do people actually believe this? If this were the case, I would have expected them to keep the same resolution and models too?
Expect them being absolutely btfo when PC version gets released. I mean even original trailer was 60 fps.

>>383677613
>"producing games with better performance!"
>BTFO
>"b-b-but it doesn't mean they're more fun!"

You ain't a keeper no matter how many tall socked men you suck off. Quit fucking with the goalposts.

>>383677368
The GPU was already designed to work with ARM CPUs.

>>383676916
Because the ps4 and xbone are just SOOOO bleeding edge. They aren't at all 5 year old chipsets, and upscaling.

>>383677771
it already has better textures and shadows than the original game on wii u, resolution at 640p doesn't really matter on Switch's screen handheld

>>383677368
As a huge nintendbro, I'm going to be as level-headed as possible.
It'll be about cost. Nintendo makes games that are objectively better than the competition and they know it, they make hardware that they can make a profit off and putting in a mobile i5 will make the price jump to the point where people won't buy the console.

Also the battery life would have been far far worse, but I can nearly promise you it's about the cost.

Doesn't matter though, Botw is a glowing achievement of game design with fun being the foremost focus. Keep your graphics, I'll keep the gameplay

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>>383677583
still looks and plays miles better than ps2 botw with 5-20fps drops. Actually both are embarrasing if you compare it to pc.

>>383677663
>enter a conversation
>"but I'm not him! stfu don't be paranoid! Xd"

>>383677354
>Crash was made to run at 30FPS to keep it feeling like the original games
These are the lies Sonybros have to tell themselves when playing games in order to not regret their purchases.

>>383677816
>it already has better textures and shadows
Thanks to bigger memory.
Not much of improvement.

>>383677289
Gotta have them flops right, its all about the flops

now tell me, in detail, how a single flop relates to game performance and the overal quality of a game.

>>383676632
Well, they're not wrong. Sony and Microsoft have a lot of incompetent developers overall. They use way too high textures and it still doesn't look good and it requires too much power to run. Nintendo's games never requires much space either because of this, they only create what they need = easier to run/less space/looks better. I really hope Nintendo helps the pokemon company with their next game because they've always sucked at this.

>>383677860
Now try saying it without crying you little baby.

Why does the hub area have to run at 30?

>>383677621
That's only in handheld mode though.

>>383677813
Consider this.
Switch perform worse than wiiu in handheld mode.
And it costs more than PS4.

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>>383677220
Fucking gold

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>>383677145
Can you show me another game that did what Breath of The Wild did? Because I loved it.

>>383677884
>They use way too high textures and it still doesn't look good and it requires too much power to run.
Textures are limited solely by RAM and both PS4 and Xbone has plenty. They don't gimp performance.

>>383677289
Shit anon, here I was having a shit ton of fun with my Switch all the while ignorant to the fact that I was an idiot for buying this certain cheap electronic instead of other cheap electronic

>>383677918
Dynamic resolution in dock mode also.
Mostly 840p.
1080p when you look at the sky.

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>>383677613
typical nin- toddler response

>b-but fun

fuck off there is nothing fun about botw, literally zero story, no voiced dialogues, no intresting characters, shitty combat, 4 dungeons and reskinned enemies, physics which breaks all the time when you hit enemy, ugly as sin graphics with empty open world, stamina bar and durability on every weapon in a game, pls buy our dlcs ;*

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>it's unacceptable that crash remake runs at 30fps, nintendo would never do th--

>>383677847

You've moved the goalposts really well. Good job.

>>383677943
Most BotW technology from GTA IV.

What about Blizzard? EA? Activision?

Almost all of their games are always 60 fps.

>>383677910
Nah, that's nintenbro's territory.

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>>383677847
>playing horizon
>spending your neetbux on literal garbage
>comparing it to Botw: Game of the decade
must be bait

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what kind of lazy no-good developer would keep a game 30fps in its remake?

>>383677953
Yeah, I don't know the name for it but when they do it so much they requires way too much space which is still very important because even if you can buy cheap microsd cards even the biggest one is 128gb or something and that can easily be full if there's too many developers that doesn't care about compression.

>>383677983
I have not played Witcher yet. I'm sure it's good. I'm also sure it's not as good an experience as Zelda on the Free Roam side.

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>>383677145
100000 hours in ms paint

>>383677983
The definition of trying too hard, its fucking embarrassing

>>383677987
>remake = remaster
You'd think after having nothing but remasters on PS4 you'd know the difference :^)

>>383676916
Nintendo living rent free in your head lmao

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>>383677943
literally any open world game in last 10 years? botw is literally clone of skyrim but with cut out story and voiced dialogues, downgraded graphics and open world to look like shit and forced 3rd person camera

>>383678013
GTA 4 is really realistic and feature little terrain or way to traverse terrain. BOTW allow you to explore. They are two different type of games totally.

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>>383677983
3/10
try harder next time

>>383677145
And? Everyone with a brain would rather have a higher FPS at the expense of resolution than higher res with lower fps

>>383678046
It is even worse.
Crash have new visuals which are taxing.
WW on the other hand - just Gamecube models and still 30fps.

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>>383678030
>>comparing it to Botw: Game of the decade

only in nintendo fanboy minds since it's most overrated game since last zelda game

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>>383678020
wahhh wahhh wahaha

>>383678064

I'm not sure why you quoted me.

>>383678064
But that's false though. I played tons of Open world games and none was fun like BOTW. Exploring the game just feels great.

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Even praise the size of a tiny spec of dirt for nintendo sends some of you off the deep end. Good freaking grief.

>>383677987
That remake was pretty shitty as well though. I remember shooting bombs with the boat and the game started to stutter. Probably dropped to around 20fps or something

>>383678040
It isn't. Combat and everything is extremely limited

>>383678064
what game can i paraglide onto a horse
i don't own zelda and am genuinely curious

>>383678046
Uncharted PS4 remaster went from 30 to 60
Last of us PS4 remaster went from 30 to 60
Kingdom Hearts PS4 remaster went from 30 to 60
Gravity Rush PS4 remaster went from 30 to 60

>>383678064
Whoops anon, you forgot to play the game before talking about it. You can't just watch it on youtube like those ps4 games of yours

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>>383678083
not an argument
>>383678145
what feels great? playing empty shell of a game? with laughable framerate?

>>383678115
One of my favourite characters in vidya

>>383678078
>BOTW allow you to explore
So play any fucking open world game of this decade.

>>383678114
It's probably overhyped yeah. Overrated? Not really.

>>383677583
Wow, only about 60 posts before Horizon showed up again. What amazing an funky fresh topic will /v/ think up next?

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>>383678114
>Skyward sword
>overrated

Every Blizzard game is 60 fps on consoles.

>>383678113
The new Crash's visuals are at most Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U level.
How come it runs on a far more powerful console yet only gives out 30 fps?
Not like the visuals are realistic.

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>>383678246

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>CoD
>releases same game but with different maps and a few extra weapons / bells and whistles
>fuck CoD this stale and repetitive shit, they literally release the same game every year

>Splatoon
>releases same game but with different maps and a few extra weapons / bells and whistles
>oh my god this is so innovative, they literally improved it in every way, Nintendo exceeded my expectations even

really fires up my axons and dendrites

>>383678193
As a PC Gamer, I did not really care about the frame rate that much because I was having fun. It's also not a FPS, or a game with quick combat reflex. It's a big sand box with tons of stuff to unlock and explore in.

Would I have preferred the game have higher frame rate? Sure. But not all games can be played on Ultra at 144 fps unless you spend 2000$ in Graphic Cards alone.

>>383678193
Fine you want your kind of argument?
Every other open world game is a walking simulator with nothing to do compared to Zelda.

Happy?

If you want to play open world shit, just play WoW

>digital foundry
>would jack up gamma on ps3 games for entire generation to try to imply textures look washed out while going full shill mode for 360
>trusting anything they have to say now

>>383677797
>trailer video
>60fps
el oh el

>>383678290
>The new Crash's visuals are at most Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U level.
Hahahaha, you can't be this delusional.
Somebody, post real MK8 screen with this horrible low poly models and no AA at all.

>>383678064
i borrowed a switch over the week to play this. It started kind of tame but it really grew on me. When the world opens up and all these systems (weather, physics, ai, everything reacting to everything etc) start to connect it really becomes something fun. It's far from a 10/10 but it's a solid 8/10.

>>383678203

>try to explore GTA4
>whoops you haven't unlocked that area
>5 stars hehe

Super dude

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>>383678246
Zelda had 2 games between BOTW and Skyward Sword.. Maybe 3 if you count the WW remake.

Triforce is hardly overrated and Between Worlds was great.

>>383678204
Overrated? Yes, just like OoT. Also "overrated" doesn't mean bad, nigger.

>>383678203
>play horizon
>run towards a wall
>characters just continuously run into the wall
>run against wall until you find obvious grab points in the mountain which you are allowed to climb
Wow, you sure are allowed to explore on your own terms in all these "modern" open world game. The developers don't restrict you in the slightest, it's just like Zelda.

>>383678403
But it's not overrated. The ratings are 8-9-10. Which is what I believe it is. 9 -9.5 for a Switch game.

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>>383678303
Prove it.

>>383678383
>>whoops you haven't unlocked that area
Last GTA you played was San Andreas, right?

I've grown to love consolewar threads.
I used to hate them they're cancerous and i would pray for them to go away. Now i accept them and go with the flow. I'll play every side just to spread more asshurt and get (you)'s

>>383678303

>14 years
>26 games

>2 years
>2 games

hmmm

>>383678203
Every open world game from this decade does the exact opposite, they're basically hubs for scripted linear missions. Spiderman 2 is over a decade old and that was the last game I can think of where its fun just to run around the game world.

>>383678425
>explore
>shitty climbing gimmick
Lol, typical nintendo retard.
And what you will find at the top of this mountain, another sword which will break in 10 hits or 5 arrows?
Or 1 of 100 copypasted "dungeons"?

>>383678461

Yes 5 looked like shit

>>383676632
It makes sense. Nintendo realizes they can't push muh 4k super shit like Sony and MS, so wasting their hardware their trying to squeeze every bit of graphics out of it is a fools errand, they can't compete in that space, so it makes more sense to prioritize framerate.

>>383678517
Have you even played the game?

I love the amount of Splatoon talk is occurring in this Splatoon thread.

>>383676694

DELET THIS

>>383678203
Ok so I tried to climb anywhere in Horizon. But it wouldn't let me. Is the game buged, you said every open world game is like BotW so that must mean everything I cn do in BotW I can do in Horizon. But the game is only letting me climb certain things. Should I return my bug copy to the store.

>>383678517

A corrupt dragon you gotta save

>>383678517
Being able to climb anything isn't a gimmick, its one of the things that sets it apart from the generic trash.

>>383678517
Is this supposed to be worse than not being able to explore the top of the mountain at all?

>>383678561
>And what you will find at the top of this mountain, another sword which will break in 10 hits or 5 arrows?
Answer it.

>>383678324
PS3 did had shitty textures, that thing only has 256mb of vram while the Xbox 360 had twice as much.
Both machines had to share it with their OS and the PS3 OS was so trash it used half of it just for the OS, eventually years later it was optimized and keep under 80mb compared to 32mb the Xbox 360 OS used.

>>383678370
>delusional
You're the one here who thinks the visuals of a PS1 era game takes up so much data they couldn't be bothered to patch in 60 fps on a console all about high standards of graphics and framerate.

It's a PS4 exclusive, how does the CARTOONY visuals take up so much space when the game engine is the same thing from the PS1 days?

>>383678580

Horizon has designated climbing areas.

>>383678580
>d, you said every open world game is like BotW so that must mean everything I cn do in BotW I can do in Horizon.
Literally retard.
But expected from nintendo fanboy.

>>383678582
>Breath of the Wild is really generic trash
>b-b-but muh climbing gimmick!

>>383678601
Depend what mountain. You might find a Korok under a rock, a Tower, A Shrine, a chest with a really powerful item, or nothing.

It's exploration, not "Go up the mountain to gain a legendary artifact".

>>383677354
>Was good friends with the son of the person that made Martha Speaks
>What happened to him in the end
Didn't know I would get upset by a image...

>>383678667
I wonder what the IQ is of people who make posts like this?

>>383678601
A lynel prepared to punch in your asshole.

>>383678723
So Breath of the Wild isn't generic?
And you say others have a low IQ

>>383678671
>You might find a Korok under a rock, a Tower, A Shrine, a chest with a really powerful item, or nothing.
So
1. Pointless collect 1000 of this thing to get achievement.
2. Just 3d model.
3. Copypasted shrine which you can finish in 5 minutes.
4. Weapon which will break in 10 hits.

Ok. Great game.

>>383678601
How? Unlike other shitty open world games Zelda doesn't put a pin on the map for every single objective. You actually have to explore yourself.

>>383678617
>while the Xbox 360 had twice as much.
No, 360 had 512MB of shared RAM, similar to PS4 or Xbone, which meant that game could use more tham 256MB of VRAM if game used less than 256MB of RAM. Example being CoD4.

>>383678723
Somewhere between "savant" and "/v/ user"

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Name another company that cares more about 60 fps than Nintendo
Hard mode: No Platinum

>>383678754
No, if you weren't a retard you would know this by now.

>>383678802
Blizzard.

>>383678761
What will you find on top of mountains in other open world games then that are so impressive?

>>383676632
>Digital Foundry: "No other company cares about 60fps as much as Nintendo"
"P-please ignore Zelda"
"P-Please look at these very simple games that would run perfectly on the WiiU, they are representative of your average Switch experience. P-please ignore 3rd party ports of full-fledged games like DragonQuest Heroes 2 which occasionally runs worse on Switch than it does on Vita"
"EVERY Switch game will be a small arena shooter/fighter or a simple arcady racing game. There will be no problems with literally every other genre, trust me, the 2 open worlds Switch has had so far do NOT run at 20fps, I repeat the do NOT run at 20fps, that's FAKE YOU HEAR ME?"

>>383678649
>Doesn't understand sarcasm.
I thought I made it really oblivious that I was joking mate.
I was just making fun of how you think BotW is the same as every other open world game. Both BotW and Horizon do there own things and it ok that they different.

>>383678784
So did the PS3.
All consoles shared the memory, even the PSP.
Their architecture negates any penalties in doing so even capatable of bypassing the CPU.

>>383678869
Here's the part where he backpedals by saying you're backpedaling.

>>383678397
The fight between the worse Zelda goes to either Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword. With TP only being there because of how bland it is while Skyward Sword is bad all around. It has so few fans and even they except it has an insane number of issues that make it too annoying to play.

>>383678761
1. Koroks allow you to boost the space in your inventory, also it's 700.
2. The tower allow you to unlock the geography of the area.
3. Puzzle that allow you to boost your health or stamina
4. Yeah, most weapons break after 10-30 hits.

Exploration itself is the fun of it, why do you need to be rewarded by some extreme thing just to explore?

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Cry all you want it's gonna sell well and cause enough butthurt to stop you salty sailors from sitting down for weeks

>>383678845
Actual fucking dungeon.
Or npc which will give you new quest.
Or fucking dragon.

>>383678952

Or a one of a kind mount

>>383678842
That's only because all of their games are on PC

>>383678919
>2. The tower allow you to unlock the geography of the area.
Bravo Ubi... I mean nintendo.

>>383678952
All of those exist in BotW as well., alongside what's already been mentioned Try again.

>>383677919
No it doesn't

>>383678860
>"P-please ignore Zelda"
>"80% of Switch games are 60 fps"

>>383678992
Play Witcher 3, or even Oblivion.
This is games where you can actually explore and find something interesting as reward.

>>383678860
>"P-please ignore Zelda"
It's called an outlier anon.

>>383678892
No, PS3 has dedicated system RAM and dedicated VRAM

>>383678935
>people are desperate for games to justify their WiiU2.0 purchase with literally anything
>a new nintendo game sells well

What a surprise. A gamer with a XB or PS4 probably has to choose among various titles released, a switch gamer can choose exactly one game (Cause he already bought it for Zelda) or indie shit.

>>383679073
>"80% of Switch games are neogeo roms and shitty indie arcades
Ok.

>>383679114

>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>383677781
I haven't seen any of those in like a week, maybe I just missed them

>>383679017
I will recommend that you watch a video that explain the differences between Ubisoft towers and Zelda.

Go watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFlGdI8TxsA&t=639s
Here the TLDW : They are just geographic, nothing else. They allow the players to see the topography of the map. No missions, nothing else. Just a piece of a map.

>>383678915
Both are great game with great music and dungeons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJjJ4_0TDXY

>>383679114
Woah holy shit it's like Switch is a new console.

>>383677583
Keep in mind Horizon is also downsampling from 4k in the 1080p mode and adding far sharper shadows, AA, and AF all into the mix that the base PS4 version doesn't have at all.

>>383678832
So what exactly makes Breath of the Wild not generic?
I'm sure you're capable of answering, seeing as you're so much smarter than me apparently.

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>>383679114
Here was the exclusive list of games for all plaforms before the Ps4 and XB1 launched.

>>383677237
wow you sound like such a condescending little hipster cunt.
Why don't you fuck off to Neogaf you little ANTIFA supporting maggot?

>>383679129
Doesn't disprove my point lol.

>>383679206
>Skyward Sword
>Good dungeons
It has one and that's the Ship. Outside that all of them are either bad or quickly forgettable.

>>383679268

Doesn't list everything of interest in the world
Doesn't force you to follow a set path to complete the story

Those 2 alone set it apart from 95% of open world games

>>383678617
go and look at their ps3 and 360 comparisons
with washed out colors and gamma jacked to full and pretend it was a just comparison, if you still think it was, i cant help you and cure stupid

>>383676876
literally fixed and botw never drops a single frame on switch now

>>383679268
what game lets me paraglide onto a horse

>>383679353
>it does these two things differently, thus it isn't a generic open world game
Loving every laugh, to be honest family.

>>383677592
>one that was designed specifically to have fast load times
Didn't it fuck up the disc drive on the PS1 because of that?

>>383679268
Because the game lacks waypoint markers, bamham combat and vision, scripted linear missions, scripted climbing, pointless skill trees, and gated progression.

>>383679406
What Zelda allows me to shoot an Uzi at pedestrians?

>>383679346
I will be happy to replay it on the Switch when it will come. It had really great ideas.

>>383679472

>he asks for literally any game ever doing something
>you have to pigeon-hole your example to one series

Do you see where your comparison fails?

>>383679472
i'll wait for you to name any game ever in the history of time

This is just an objectively true statement, what are people even getting butthurt about? Nintendo works very hard to get games to 60 fps before release. Other companies don't care about fps because you can't show off fps on a TV commercial or on the box. They would rather focus on things that can be marketed like better shadows or whatever.

>>383679474
I'm not saying it doesn't have good ideas. It's just most of them fall flat...hard. BotW took a lot of SS ideas and actually made them work. But I doubt they will change SS much. At best they will fix that awful collectable text issue that made that game from not good to god damn frustrating. Way more so than TP rupee issue.

>>383678915
I wanna fuck Midna!

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>>383679472
>uzi

>>383679618

If a sony fanboy feels inferior they tend to lash out.

>>383679174
Woah... so zelda has.. less content.... less is more i guess.... wow..

>>383679618
Sony drones

>>383679234
HZD downsamples from 1440p. It's checkerboard mode is 1527p native. It's not 4k

>>383677284
>enemies
What
They don't even target crash for the most part

>>383679073
>"80% of Switch games are 60 fps"
90% of similar idnie games on PS4 are also 60fps, actually a lot of Switch's indie library is also on PS4 and runs just as well.

They are not the standard you should look at. You should ask yourself why, for example, Bethesda aren't releasing their 2017 projects on Switch which actually aren't that bad (Prey, Wolfenstein2, The Evil Within 2) and instead they are porting the 6 year old Skyrim (not even the remaster, the actual OLD version) to Switch instead.

You should look at all the games the system isn't getting and asking questions. Instead you're looking at all the indie shovelware on the system and applauding its performance. It's just sad.

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>>383679472
>I want Zelda to be GTA, thus derivative and lacking the freshness of its own identity

>>383679683
It is. Less is more. Telling players where everything else because they climbed a tower is bad game design. Zelda just give you a map. Nothing else.

>>383679712
Ah, my bad.

>>383679741
>You should ask yourself why, for example, Bethesda aren't releasing their 2017 projects on Switch which actually aren't that bad (Prey, Wolfenstein2, The Evil Within 2) and instead they are porting the 6 year old Skyrim (not even the remaster, the actual OLD version) to Switch instead.

Maybe because the Switch has an audience of around 4 million right now compared to an audience of 25+ on the other consoles?

>>383676998
He literally doesn't. It takes him a minute and a half to even mention Zelda. And that doesn't excuse the fact he is wrong. He doesn't present any counter argument to justify his previous statement. He just mentions Zelda and immediately glances over it.

>>383678761
>1. Pointless collect 1000 of this thing to get achievement.
You quite literally get a pile of shit if you do that.

>>383679741
Nobody is arguing that the Switch is as powerful as a Ps4. It's like saying that a Ps4 is as powerful as a basic gaming PC in 2017. It's ridiculous.

I dont want the Switch to be another porting machine. I want unique games, not the same stuff I can buy on PC.

>>383679358
No, the problem was that the 360 didn't support full-range RGB color and so it would look over-saturated on a modern TV. The PS3 was how the games were supposed to look, but the impression of "more color" in the 360 footage made some people think it looked better, when in reality it was just inaccurate.

>>383678919
Puzzles that do nothing but make the final boss easier.

Is there any other game like BOTW? Just Cause 2 and 3 seem the only things close to it?

>>383679324
Why are you posting a 3 and a half year old image?
And why does it include the cancer that are greenlight indie Steam games shit?
Come on man, it's an obvious attempt to pad the list. No one actually cares for 99% of them

>>383676694
What fps was wind waker playing at on gamecube? I remember that shit feeling super smooth but maybe I'm just remembering it wrong.

>>383678761
All video games are pointless anon.
Zelda just happens to be fun while you waste your time.

>>383679995
>gaining more HP make the boss easier
That is true.
Did you know? Leveling up in a RPG make the enemies easier.

>>383680035
It's a list of Exclusives. It does not care about anything but listing exclusives.

I'm posting it to show to you what the Ps4 and Xbox One had at launch to look forward to. Half the games did not release at launch either.

>>383679880
>zelda is atypical
>WARHHHHHH THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT

>>383680076
If it's not a shit RPG, they scale with you.

Graphics don't matter if games are fun.

>>383680179
zelda isn't an rpg

>>383680179
FF8 was annoying because of level scaling. Hell with it the game is better played where you hardly gain a level.

>>383677354
>Crash was made to run at 30FPS to keep it feeling like the original games
lmaoing rn

>>383680179
Then what is the point of leveling up if stuff scales? BOTW spawn stronger monsters but the old one are still there.

>>383679995
You're confusing the shrines with the sacred beasts dungeons. Even then saying that it "only makes the final boss easier" would be wrong because you get extra abilities if you complete the dungeons.

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>Dude DigitalFoundry is really smart and unbiased and just really cares about tech
Some idiot in every DF related thread says this.
I'm not gonna read through it I'm just going to tell you you're a fucking moron and DF is full of pants on head retarded nincompoops who think motion blur and depth of field are the greatest

>>383679741
>moving goalposts
All of Nintendo's first party games right now except Zelda are 60 fps, not counting 3rd parties.
You're assuming all I was talking about were indies.

>>383677084
Actually, Crash has far less going on than even NES Mario games. The draw distance in even the remake is laughably low.

>>383680241
I didn't bring up the RPG comparison.

>>383680317
The extra hearts certainly make the final boss much easier.

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>>383680039

No mainline zelda has ever been 60fps since ocarina of time.

>>383680535
Extra hearts make everything easier, not just the final boss.

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>>383676876

>Unpatched version of the game

Welp I guess new vegas is the worst game of all time since apparently the unpatched version is the only version that anybody plays.

>>383680574
That's not true, the game throws more damage sponges at you as the game goes on. All of which take up a bunch of rare and powerful weapons to kill.

>>383680623
That would be THPS 5, since the unpatched version is just the demo of the game.

>>383676916
>dated hardware
This is how you can tell the poster doesn't actually play video games.

>>383679920
I don't get this meme of assuming that 3rd party support = multiplats
Switch NEEDS 3rd parties and you WANT 3rd parties.
I used Bethesda as an example that just so happens to be multiplat with PC but you are free to chose any superior japanese dev that mostly works for consoles instead. For example Atlus/NIS and some others ported a game to switch, but PS4 still has the vast majority of their current projects, none of which were announced for Switch in the future.
Also I see a lot of people excited for Xenoblade2, which is 2nd party, and SMT & Octopath Traveller, which are 3rd party games (and probably multiplats with PS4), and DragonQuest11 which is multiplat with 3DS/PS4.
Etrian Odyssey and Monster Hutner were staples of the 3DS. Games like GoldenSun were staples of the Gameboy line. NES and SNES are FULL of classic 3rd party titles that define those eras.

This "I only buy Nintendo systems for 1st party titles" narrative is completely untrue, just damage control from the most avid fanboys.

>>383680370
And yet out of all of them, Zelda is the only ambitious game - the only one you can compare to the standard 3rd party title on other consoles in terms of map size, AI, physics, interaction, etc.
Splatoon2 could run on WiiU, it just doesn't because Nintendo doesn't care about supporting older systems and kills them the day a new one comes out., so it's not impressive it runs at 60fps, it's just made of small arenas, even the small HUB area with 20 NPCs in it has to cut down to 30fps.
ARMS is exactly the same as Splatoon2, a game that could be out on WiiU but it's not for no reason whatsoever. Small arena fighter, no wonder it runs at 60fps.
Mario Kart 8 is literally a WiiU port, so 60fps, just like every other MK title, it's a simple arcade racer and not representative of the average game.

Look at 3D indie titles like SnakePass that has horrible framepacing and framerate drops. Or an average multiplat game like DQH2 which drops to 20fps on Switch

>>383680674
Nah, I tended to lose one or two weapons per camp. You can have a lot more fun using all the various optuons available then you can just flailing with your equipped weapon. Bombs, chu jelly, arrows, parrying, sneak attacks, using the environment to your advantage, etc.

>>383678164
any zorro game

>Nintendo has some games that run at 60fps
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING DRONES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>383680694
>in the future
>some nostalgia filled PS4 collector will try to play the 5th entry of Tony Hawk Pro Skater
>It will only be the demo with no way to download the real game due to the servers being down with Sony being bought by Ubisoft

Feel bad man.

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>>383676916

>>383680623
I know you jest but there are people who really downgrade their game versions for multiple games with large followings including New Vegas
Think that sounds bad? Some people who play stalker downgrade all the way down to retail.

>>383680859
>needing to use at least one weapon per encounter
Is this is what's wrong with the game.

>>383676632
BASED NINTENDO SAVING VIDEO GAMES LIKE ALWAYS

>>383680848
Atlus has one game announced for Switch and zero for the PS4, that's not a goid example.

>>383680848
Golden Sun is owned by Nintendo. Splatoon 2 and ARMS are very clearly beyond what the WiiU can do, they would need to lower the textures, lighting, and complexity of the models in order to make them run at 60fps, as well as totally change a good deal of the controls and game mode options.

Think before you post.

>>383676937
N-Sane trilogy only runs at that because the devs are lazy

Should I get Splatoon 2? I played a bit of the first one and wasn't super into it, but I bought a Switch and there's not a whole lot to play on it. What's Splatoon's single-player like?

>>383681094
The Wii U would have been more capable if it didn't need to render two screen at all times.

>>383680992
You said 1 per enemy. I said one or two per every 5-7 enemies. Read.

And no, for every one I used I got 3 or more back. And knew where to get rarer ones like elemental weapons guaranteed.

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>that feel when you explore for 200 hours and a new DLC show that you have not explored shit.

>>383681214
I was looking forward to this feature until I found out it was behind a paywall.

>>383677063
Only the Metal Slug games ran at 30
All other Neo Geo games ran at 60 stop lying

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>>383681184
>>383680992
By the end of the game, you should have plenty of Durability up weapons that last you pretty long.

>>383680848
>Look at 3D indie titles like SnakePass
That's why DF said 80% no? Because not all of the Switch games are 60 fps, just most of them.
>And yet out of all of them, Zelda is the only ambitious game
How does this shit reflect on other devs then when they can't do consistent 60 fps on fucking stronger hardware when Nintendo can do it on Fisher Price toys?
And not even all standard 3rd parties are ambitious games. SMO is confirmed to run 60 fps btw and if Splatoon 2 is any sign then it'll be native 1080p. WHEW.

>>383680902
/v/ or r/nintendoswitch it's the same thing.
>Unless you have a ps4 with every other game of the year contender (RE7, persona 5, horizon zero dawn, nioh, and new uncharted and god of war incoming) not to mention completely unique games like Nier and gravity rush 2, which all run at 4k with HDR on my ps4 pro. (Not to mention how good farpoint and arizona sunshine are on my psvr which runs at 120fps). I love my switch, but lets not get it twisted.
>that's because 80% of the eshop titles are NEO GEO games
>And most of those games are not really high demanding 2D titles.
>I know it's a large number but cmon, some of those games could run 60 FPS on my cellphone.
>What is that supposed to prove? It's not like the switch is a powerhouse, it only means 80% of the games out there and not graphically demanding.
Sonyp0nies are the most irritating fanboys. You don't see Xbox fanboys anywhere comparing any Halo game.

>>383681214
That looks cool. I look forward to the DLC now.

>>383676632

>implying Zelda ran at 60hz

Oh you Switch users

>>383679451
No, they put the assets on the CD in a particular order so that the mechanic didn't have to seek them. Alot of console games after, especially in 7th gen did it aswell. Usually when you see a PS2 game with long loading times, you can tell they just took the code and burnt it without aftertouches, as the PS2 drive could do 40MB/s, and the assets used in a level were probably no bigger than 200MB total uncompressed.

>>383681294
So 3 weapons that do shit damage?

Why do DF videos always attract the worst cases of consolewarring children?

>>383681174
Well isn't that nice. Life would be better if cars ran on water. If the dog hadn't stopped to take a shit, it might have caught the rabbit.

There, now we have both made true statements about things that hold no meaning in this conversation. We can sit around with "what if" statements all day. The WiiU's highlight is dual screens. Zelda runs worse on it despite only rendering on one screen.

>>383679956
>360 didn't support full-range RGB
I think it did. You can turn the full scale mode
There are three options
Limited
Normal (which is Microsoft's RGB developed)
Full

Full doesn't look good though

>>383677424
you drones are THIS brain damaged

>>383681325
I try to get the chests in Hyrule castle. So I keep destroying my stuff on guardians. But yeah right now the weapons I have dont have the best damage. Which is not that important since I use the master sword most of the time.

>>383681335
Who said that? Show me.

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>mfw tweet went out about how they were "trying" to get rocket league at a stable 60fps for the switch
for you switch owners that have never played this game, I'm here to tell you to avoid it like the plague if they cannot do 60fps. if you are 30fps and they activate crossplay, you're gonna have a bad time.

>>383681261
Shock Troopers Second Squad was far from 60fps.

>>383681531
>falling for the media hype about useless crossplay

>>383681531
Most Swiych owners likely play on PC as well, so I doubt it will sell that well.

>>383681531
I'll stay my hand but the moment I see the final specs will be when I decide whether or not I'll get it for PC.

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>>383678324
>Still assurt for over 10 years because the PS3 had no frames

>>383680848
>Also I see a lot of people excited for Xenoblade2, which is 2nd party,
No it's not. Nintendo bought that company so they're 100% first party.

>>383681531
Why would anyone want to play Rocket League?

>>383681654
>expecting /v/ to do their research

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>>383681094
>Splatoon 2 and ARMS are very clearly beyond what the WiiU can do
Are they? Not at all.

> they would need to lower the textures, lighting, and complexity of the models in order to make them run at 60fps
Which is something easily done. This is like saying Battlefield couldn't POSSIBLY run with full maps and 64 players on Xbone/PS4 because they'd have to lower texture, lightin- oh? It DOES run on those system? I see.

Nintendo could've easily ported Splat2 and ARMS to WiiU, just like PS4 has plenty of PS3 games even up to this year PS3 is still getting games like Persona5. There's no excuse. It's not like Splatoon2 and ARMS have complex physics, AI, huge maps and other CPU/RAM-bound stuff that the WiiU can't handle. Downscaling graphics is the easiest thing for a port.

>as well as totally change a good deal of the controls and game mode options.
If anything they had to adjust Splat2's controls now that Switch doesn't have a second screen. They had to change the respawn/map system a but. WiiU actually has that extra funtionality over the Switch. And what about ARMS? The game works on the Pro Controller perfectly well, why couldn't it work on WiiU's pad or Pro controller?

>>383681084
Atlus has at least 5 games published on PS4 that I'm aware of. Their next big main franchise (Project:Re Fantasy) is a PS4 game for sure, and will probably see a PC release at least, and the SMT HD project hasn't been announced as a Switch exlusive, in fact a recent presentation and tweet points to it being a multiplat release (also the fact that it uses Persona5 models of demons). I'm not sure what you're going on about.

>>383681726
>thinking for even a nanosecond that RL isn't the sickest shit at the very least as an idea.

>>383681789
>Are they? Not at all.
Yes they are. If you watched the video, you'd get the Splatoon point of view at least.

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>>383681654
Xeno.

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>>383681789
>Their next big main franchise (Project:Re Fantasy) is a PS4 game for sure, and will probably see a PC release at least
Both wrong.

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of course they care about 60fps, their games don't try to push graphics like others do, not that it's a bad thing, but when all AAA nowadays look the same, you can't help but to be fond of the stylized games in cell shading for example.

>>383681789
>Are they?
Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVeU2ZKhCGA
>Nintendo could've easily ported Splat2 and ARMS to WiiU
Impossible

>>383681891
What is this image supposed to convey?

>>383681891
Isn't the Xenoblade franchise a separate thing on its own from its predecessors?

>>383681938
You'd think devs with better hardware to work with would strive for consistent 60 fps while chasing 4k.

>>383681986
A lot of Xenophobia

>>383682024
>Isn't the Xenoblade franchise a separate thing on its own from its predecessors?
Yes.
That anon is retarded.

>>383682024
Xenogear is Square Enix
Xenosaga is Namco
Xenoblade is Nintendo
Namco was trying to pawn off Monolith after the failure of Saga and Nintendo just happen to take it.

>>383681938
maybe it's because I actually play games, and not just jack off to how beautiful they look, but I would prefer nintendo focus more on achieving 60fps, and less on trying to front-runner the xbox and playstation.

1080/4k is a meme if the gameplay sucks and doesn't feel consistent.

>>383681918
I cannot find a single mention of any platform.

The Ps4 is the biggest and most powerful console with the biggest userbase outside of PC. Why would it not go on PC and PS4?

I would love if you provided a source showing where the game will be ported?
http://rpg.jp/

>>383677145
>because they sacrifice graphics on their shit hardware to make it work at 60fps
as it should be nigger, If I wanted visual experiences I would watch a movie

>>383682185
>The Ps4 is the biggest and most powerful console
well.. not anymore

>>383678064
Is this a picture of yourself moments before sucking dick?

>>383681789
I meant exactly what I said, they have one game announced for Switch and zero for PS4. Unless you count 13 Sentinels, but that's not developed by Atlus.

>>383677145
>but still run at 60fps.
With heavy drops.
Which is kind of the point here.

>>383682227
is the new xbox out already?

>>383682227
Well it is. The Xbox X is not out yet. And playing 20 fps games in 4K is not something that interest me enough to buy a second Xbox One.

>>383681531

I got like 30 fps on my toaster with a gtx 720.

Switch should be fine.

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DigitalFoundry also said Uncharted 4 was a technical masterpiece

>>383681789
So why doesn't EA just make Battlefield with worse graphics for the Switch? Overwatch can run on the shittiest toasters imaginable, but they won't make it work on the Switch. Hm, seems architecture, userbase, and sales intent matter.

Also
>ARMS
>button controls
Loving every lol.

>>383682312

it is though

>>383682292
Why not? Prefer 20fps in 1080p on the PS4?

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>>383681829
>>383681962
Read my post before responding to my first 4 words?
I've watched that video. None of that is impossible on the WiiU, all they need to do is scale back on graphics and resolution, which are the 2 easiest things to do with a port. If the problem was with AI or way more complex physics then porting those games would be hard. But scaling back on graphics isn't. Go read the middle part of my post where I explain all of that.

>>383681918
>Job listing suggests Atlus’ Project Re: Fantasy is a PS4 game
https://creator.levtech.jp/project/detail/2888/
>The job listing is for “the production of character motions in a newly in-development PlayStation 4 game.” A comment from the job coordinator mentions that the company seeking to fill the position has a series that is popular worldwide, and that one entry has sold over 1.5 million copies. It also mentions the newly-started game is a “traditional RPG.

Gee, I wonder which of the 15 secret Atlus projects that belongs to. I mean, Atlus is known to work on so many big titles at the same time after all, right?
It's either for SMT:HD or Project Re Fantasy. Why WOULDN'T Atlus release those games for the current best selling platform?

>>383682252
I just posted an image of their next big title, which is a PS4 game. Are you blind, perhaps? And there are hints that SMT:HD Project (also an Atlus game) is coming to other platforms (read: PS4)
Also Atlus is a publisher too, I don't see why 13 Sentinels wouldn't "count". But sure, thanks for mentioning yet another developer, VanillaWare, with 2 great games on the PS4 and zero on the Switch.
>>383682386
>So why doesn't EA just make Battlefield with worse graphics for the Switch?
Because (for fuck's sake if you people READ my post I wouldn't have to say the same thing 4x) Battlefield's playercount, number of vehicles and huge maps are CPU and RAM-bound things. Switch's version would have to cut both by half, like 360/Ps3 did. Splat2's downgrades would only be graphics

>>383682467
Nah, prefer 144 fps at 1080p on PC.

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>>383682403
uglier forest than crysis

>>383682185
Off topic but
>The Ps4 is the biggest and most powerful console with the biggest userbase outside of PC.
Why is this statement validated but
> The 3DS is the biggest and most powerful handheld with the biggest userbase outside of PC.
Doesn't hold any water?

>>383680547
Wasn't A link between worlds 60fps?

>>383682478
>Why WOULDN'T Atlus release those games for the current best selling platform?
>Sony
>advertsing for anything but persona
>anything but persona selling well

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>>383677354
>Crash was made to run at 30FPS to keep it feeling like the original games

>>383682478
>I just posted an image of their next big title, which is a PS4 game. Are you blind, perhaps? And there are hints that SMT:HD Project (also an Atlus game) is coming to other platforms (read: PS4)
Neither was announced for PS4, one was announced for Switch. I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue, I'm just stating facts.

>>383682560
Yes