>"I retreated from Ostagar because would've lost!"

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>>383648352
I killed him.

Cailan knew Ostagar would fail.

>>383648352
On top of this.
>leaves massive dark spawn horde unchecked to rape the countryside
>meanwhile starts a civil war for the crown
>has no plan to deal with the dark spawn horde


Loghain was a goddamn retard.

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>>383648352

Word of G*d Gaider said the battle was / would've been lost even if Loghain had stayed.

However, there were plenty of other things he did wrong along the way, and he clearly enjoyed leaving Cailan to die. Also if pressed, his second Ser Cauthrien questioned his judgement and motives.

It's clear he feared Orlesiann for a good reason, but every choice he made since Ostagar only divided Ferelden further. The Warden spent the entire game pretty much cleaning of up after his blunders.

I was happy to let Alistair kill him, but having Loghain become a grey warden and sacrifice himself gave him an acceptable chance at redemption.

Loghain was a short sited dumbo, but it works for his character.

>>383649079
Hunting down the Wardens was his biggest fuck up.

>>383649646
To be fair, the whole "only Grey Wardens can kill the Archdemon" thing wasn't exactly public knowledge.

>>383649646
Yeah never was quite sure why the Wardens had to be hunted in his eyes. They don't give two shits who the king is, as long as the darkspawn don't destroy the world.

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>>383648352
>Ostagar was only lost because he retreated
I think it's pretty strongly implied that it was a losing battle either way.

Might have been able to save the king if they made the attempt though.

>>383649646
>>383650296

Loghain under estimated the blight. Even if he had succeeded in whatever he was trying to accomplish, Ferelden would've been wiped out by darkspawn, and Orlais would've swooped in to clean up the mess.

He was fighting a losing, delusional battle, and making too many enemies along the way.

>>383648352
Death or dishonor, he chose his path.

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>>383649079
Yeah, leaving Cailan's hunt for glory had some reason behind it. But then he went on to foster slavery, torture, and a Grey Warden witch hunt.

>>383648352
I like his voice actor

Quality Bioware writing thread?

>>383650296
Yeah but there was no reason to kill them. Even IF you didn't need the Wardens to kill the Archdemon there was no reason to hunt them down instead of, I dunno, trying to at least convince them that retreating was a good idea for fuck's sake.
Hunting down the Wardens made it look like he wanted to usurp the throne and was trying to erase all evidence of it.
Maybe it was Howe's idea? What the fuck was he thinking allying with Howe anyway?
What the fuck Loghain.

But seriously why did he poison Eamon that made no fucking sense

>>383650846
I wonder what would happen if the ME:A team tried to come up with something like DA:O.

>>383650328
Yeah anyone got an answer to this? I don't remember why he wanted us dead either.

>>383650496
Pretty much everyone but the wardens underestimated it.

Still, while I can understand why he was pissed at the king and why he didn't want the orlesian's involved, causing a civil war didn't help the problem, and he shouldnt have worked with Howe.

>>383650748
He also voiced a bro quarian admiral in ME2 that turned into a dick in ME3

>>383650846
Loghain was an asshole from the beginning so there is a reason unlike most other characters.

Also Sten is the best once you find his sword.

>>383650943
Would probably have more fanart but still suck ass

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I'm glad all this flies right over my head. Dragon Age always looked generic and uninteresting

>>383650943
Christ, I can only imagine how they would have butchered the characters.

>>383651007
Guerrel, or something, right?
I would be gay for Templeman's voice,
no homo

>>383651049
What about when he goes 'muh dog'?

>>383650328

So that the player would have a reason to hate him.

There is literally zero reasons for Loghain to give even a single fuck about the wardens, sure, he had a personal reason to leave Cailan to die and even enjoy his death, but the surviving wardens? No, the only reason he even cared its because the player was a warden.

Even if he was wrong on many things, I cant blame Loghain for hating Cailan, he survived the brutal war against Orlais, only for Cailan to try and serve Ferelden to orlais as if the country was a cheap whore.

>>383651252
Han'Gerrel yes
me too

>>383651049
Sten was the best even before the sword.
>>383650485
Would it really be worth it to sacrifice half the Fereldan army to save one retarded king?

>>383651205
Origins was fun 2bh. Generic maybe, but executed well. Felt like the last 'real' rpg in a long time.

>>383648352
That's not why he retreated tho, he planned the betrayal long before the battle, even conspired with other nobles.

Was his daughter or Cailin barren? I think she was.

>>383650981
>why he wanted us dead
Because the writers felt like you need a reason to hate him personally.

>>383651385
I think Howe was the one doing all the anti-Warden operations. He hired Zevran to begin with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViGGA7C0sYU

Also there's that sidequest where Howe's elite soldiers are luring Warden supporters to kill them.

>>383651504
It was the last real BioWare game.
F

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I like his voice thou.

Enchantment?

>>383651205
It mostly is. It came out with no competition and lacks glaring flaws, but isn't really good either.

>>383648352
>Ostagar was only lost because he retreated
It was lost because you stole ser garlen's sword you gigantic faggot

>>383651515
His daughter.
Cailin wanted to fug the Orlesian Empress.

>>383651658
No it wasn't. There was no way to end the game as the dark lord of the universe that enjoys kicking puppies in his spare time. Completely worthless.

>>383652015
Too bad she's lez

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>>383651992
I regret nothing.
I sold it almost the same time i got it.

so what was his plan on dealing with the blight? just hope that it goes away?

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>People still push the Loghain would have won at Ostagar meme
At the battle of Denerim you collectively have the Dalish Elves, a whole fuckload of Redcliffe's soldiers (The biggest ferelden population center outside of Denerim and the ones that were specifically mentioned to be missing from the battle at Ostagar because they couldn't get there in time), a fucking legion of Dwarves and maybe even literal darkspawn killing machines with the golems, on top of a whole fuckload of mages that would have otherwise not joined the battle.
You easily. EASILY. Double the firepower of Ferelden's military with the contracts. Your men win the day with a sprinkling of the Ferelden proper military helping them out.

Loghain had NONE OF THAT SHIT. At Ostagar, he had basically just Denerim's forces. He would have had grey wardens, the kings guard, and Mabari too but The Warden and Allistair light the candle way too late so a rescue mission was well out of the question. If he had charged when we lit the Tower of Ishal he would have failed and all of Ferelden would have collapsed.

FUCK what a good ass game this was.

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>>383651205
Origin's is pretty decent. Kind of generic like you said but I have a soft spot for it since its the first RPG where I really got invested in the world and characters.

2 is fucking trash with some decent things here and there but not enough to save it.

Cisquisition is really fucking boring overall and has imo the worst characters bioware has ever made.

>>383648554
he thought he might die thats why sent Alistair away from the battle, but he was pretty confident they were gonna win.

>>383652208
>FUCK what a good ass game this was.
And its like may never be seen again.

>>383652194
He never even saw the archdemon so he didn't think it was a real blight.

>>383651205

Its tolerably generic, the sequels are just garbage

>>383651992
I didn't actually

>>383652194
Basically everyone save the warden's thought it wasn't a blight and just a unusually high amount of darkspawn activity, mainly (if I remember correctly) because nobody saw a archdemon.

Afterwards he was properly trying to get everyone under his command so they could focus on the blight then. It's been awhile so I might be forgetting details.

>play game
>enjoy origin
>play through Ostagar
>get to first town afterwards
>go to one other place
>grow weary of juggling stupid npc relationship value minigames
>get bored
>quit
>play a couple other origins
>quit
>never play again.

>>383652615
Which is more than reasonable considering that the last blight was hundreds of years ago, basically a myth at this point. And the Grey Wardens devolved into a glorified order of thugs outside of the idealistic up and coming Ferelden branch.

>>383651007
Han Garrel? That cunt would have single handedly made me side with the Geth and genocide the Quarians were it not for my pure paragon instincts

>>383651205
>generic
So is LOTR, which is still good for what it is.

>>383653000
>pure paragon instincts
pure faggot instincts

>>383649079
>convince him to become a Warden
>Alistair gets all butthurt and leaves saying Loghain doesn't deserve the "honor" of becoming a Warden
>meanwhile in like half the origins you are forced to become a Warden to prevent getting executed as a criminal or some shit

>>383652873
>Grow weary of juggling stupid NPC relationships.

Nigga it ain't that fucking hard. Besides, pretty sure they had a free dlc where you can just buy gifts at your camp to fill your relationship with everyone instantly, and once that's full it never drops again if I'm remembering right.

>>383653260
I think even Duncan was a criminal.

>>383653260
>Alistair gets all butthurt and leaves
You should have done his sidequest properly mate.

>>383653275
It's not that it's hard, it just felt like such a transparent and fake system. You literally just feed them trinkets like fucking treats.

Also none of the npcs felt particularly enjoyable.

>>383653420
>none of the npcs felt particularly enjoyable
They were easily the best Bioware had to offer at that point.

>>383653260
>>383653409
The Grey Warden you save from the dungeons at the end of the game pretty much confirms that it's not actual a great order anymore and basically just a bunch of criminals since there's no big darkspawn menace for like several hundred years

>the da franchise could be been fun as fuck

why does ea have to ruin everything it touches? is there even a term besides incompetent when you have literally billions to throw at stuff and still end up producing absolute trash?

>>383653517
The Orlesian guy? I don't remember anything like that, what part of the dialogue does he say it?

>>383653420
Only if you suck at the dialogue. The treats that don't trigger character interaction are basically a band-aid for bads.

>>383653517
>no big darkspawn menace for like several hundred years
Wait, how do they induce new members then?
You kinda have to drink darkspawn blood to become one, right?

>>383653613
You can find a shitzillion of them in the Deep Roads

>>383648352
In my blind continuity two Amells have died in this asshole's place. Can't wait to somehow kill the Inquisitor in DA4. There are no brakes on the bad end train.

>>383650943
Then you get Inquisition

>>383653613
They're around but disorganized outside of a few hotspots that always persist.

But there's also Archdemon in the drink as a secret ingredient IIRC. Which is explained that the Grey Wardens basically carve up the archdemon and take as much blood as they can from him

>>383653853
It would be even worse

>>383653705
kek, imagine glorious grey wardens going out to capture and drag away some scrawny ass darkspawn just so they could get high off its blood
heroic as fuck

>>383653420
Well in the base game they have some trinkets you can get for them, some have unique dialogue for certain gifts, like a flower Leliana mentions to you, a mirror for Morrigan and I think Duncan's shield for Alistair. With the dlc I mentioned you can just get some money, buy them from the camp merchant and boost everyone up that way.

Dialogue and choices you make in their presence also affect them, like agreeing with Morrigan on her whole survival of the fittest views. Also I think the party overall is pretty good.

>>383652276
>Cisquisition is really fucking boring overall and has imo the worst characters bioware has ever made.

The best character was the female dwarf scout that would give you the lay of the land in each new area. Can't remember the name of her since I ended up setting the game down after a couple of sessions.

>>383653872
So it's archdemon blood, not just generic darkspawn blood?

>>383654000
Scout Harding and she was the most redeeming part of that game.

>>383654034
It's both.

>>383654050
She might be good but nothing will ever redeem that piece of shit

Loghain's army wasn't enough to win at Ostagar. They underestimated the dark spawn horde significantly and didn't wait for their allies from Orlais to show up.

>>383654034
I could be wrong but I remember the Grey Warden who shows up at the end of the game mentioning that it is both.

Which begs the question of where the first Grey Wardens come from. But I imagine it probably is a part of the same story where a bunch of people figure out that if an Archdemon is killed by a normal man it just pops back out another Darkspawn good as new.

>>383654170
>didn't wait for their allies from Orlais to show up
And that's Loghain's fault

>replay DA:O
>that grittiness
>that atmosphere
>10/10 voicework
>moments of generic fantasy unexpectedly obliterated by moments of horrific violence (same as ME1 desu)

What the FUCK happened to this series

>>383654057
>>383654174
>it is both
Yeah you're probably right, that's how I remember it too now.
>Archdemon is killed by a normal man
The way myth goes that's impossibru, you need a gray warden to even have a shot at killing it.

>>383650296
There was still no reason to send assassins to kill the last 2 grey wardens that survived. Only reason to do so was to cover up the fact he was a traitor and abandoned the king and his troops on the battlefield.

>>383654174
>fuck we cant kill darkspawn
>dude
>duuude
>dude hear this out
>what if
>what if we drank darkspawn blood?
>sucess
>kill archdemon
>duuuuude
>what if we drank archdemon blood
I imagine it went like that

>>383654298
dao was bioware's last game before they became nubioware

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>>383654000
Scout Harding? Yeah she was pretty cute. The only girl I actually wanted to romance
in that game and of course bioware wouldn't let you. They let you flirt with her and she even shows interest but nothing ever actually happens.

>>383654298
EA happened, that's no news

>>383654324
The reason why you need the Grey Wardens is because if a normal person kills it the soul is transported to the nearest Darkspawn. If a Grey Warden kills it then it gets transported to him.

>>383650857
Eamon was next in line for the crown. And Loghain wanted the crown, thus Earle Eamon had to die.

>>383654468
Why does GW automatically die after that though?

After all 7 Archdemons are killed will the Blight's just end forever?

>>383653410
I thought he always gets butthurt and leaves your party if Loghain joins

he is only cool with you if you made him king and maybe have him marry his daughter if you did his sidequest right saying something like "Even though he is pissed he still owes you everything"

>>383654607
It tries to go into the darkspawn taint inside the greywarden

A god trying to occupy your body will kinda kill you pretty dead

>>383654617
There are just 7?

>>383654607
Two souls can't occupy the same body or something. Darkspawn don't have a soul so that's why it works for them.

>>383652276
I never thought I would come across a "friendly" character as irritating as Jowan in DA:O

Then Cisquisition gave me an entire cast

>>383654617
Probably, there's still a fuckton of Darkspawn around though. Maybe they'll rally around a leader like the Architect.

>>383654607
As I understand it, both souls are destroyed.

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>Tell Anora I'll support her for the throne
>Don't
>She doesn't bitch me out about it
Is there any reason at all to tell her you're going to support Alistair?

>>383654414
Literally the only person in Inquisition that I wanted to romance. But couldn't because Gaider's faggot are thinks dwarf romance is icky, and borderline pedophilia.....The guy is a retard.

>but adds Iron Bull as a romance
>so he could have his own bara fantasy in the game
>even though no one asked for a male qunari romance


Mist requested romance on the old BSN sight were
>Cullen
Fangirl wanted him, and they even delayed the game to add him as an option.

>a female qunari
Which Gaider said he didn't add because he didn't want to add one just to be eye candy, or exploited for sex appeal. (But had no issue with adding a half dressed male qunari)

>and a female dwarf
And wasn't added for reasons listed above.

>>383654894
Seeing the look on her face once you win the Landsmeet without her support

>>383654731
I actually thought Dorian was pretty cool. Solas was better then I was expecting him to be, that's for sure. Blackwall was alright.

Honestly I think Iron Bull, Vivienne and Sera were the worst offenders.

>>383652276
Peebee is a close second.
But yeah Sera is horrible in every way.

>>383653410
Why the fuck would I do anything for that annoying whiny cunt?

Out of all the obligatory Bioware first companion that's boring and useless characters, he's by far the worst. Carth was kinda interesting at least, and Kaidan wasn't so bad, but Alistair is just a faggot with no value at all.

>>383654967
Where's the actual source on gayder adding bull to fulfill his own fetishes, or where wanting to romance dwarfs makes you a pedophile?

I believe it, I just want to see it is all.

>Female qunari romance
Nigga you better be joking.

>>383654718
Archdemons are corrupted old gods, which are bigass super dragons that there are only 7 of. Ferelden archdemon was the 4th or 5th IIRC. So unless the rest of the original darkspawn like Corypheus show up, there will only be two more blights.

>>383655457
Well unless Morrigan did her plan at which point probably three if the kid could potentially cause one

>>383651420
Saving that army didn't accomplish anything since Loghain just let the darkspawn run rampant across the country anyway. Half an army with a well-loved leader who at least had the right idea of what he should be doing would have been a much better outcome.

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>>383654967
>even though no one asked for a male qunari romance
I did, but not like this.

>>383654656
>he always gets butthurt and leaves your party if Loghain joins
You're actually right, you can't have them both in party. He either goes to arrange marriage or becomes a drunk if you induct Loghain.
And if you have him dueling Loghain then he kills him outright without giving you a choice.

>>383655393
The quote about the dwarf romance was posted by him on BSN. Later he claimed to only be joking, but fans still kept asking why no dwarf romances in the entire series. He never responded to those questions.

The Iron Bull thing he made some tweets basically saying "how hot Bull was" and he had problems concentrating whenever Bull showed up in the game.
>female qunari
Yes that was easily the most requested straight male romance, and of course Gaider shot it down. Hell only option guys ended up with was Cassandra. The dark advisor (forgot her name) was bi. So the game had literally 1 straight female in it.

>Cassandra
Straight female
>Cullen
Straight male.
>Solas
Straight male..
>Blackwall
Straight male.
>Sera
lesbian female.
>Dorian
gay male.
>Iron Bull
bi
>Vivienne
Wasn't an option.
>Cole
not an option.
>Varric
Not an option.
>Harding
Not an option.

>>383655524
>letting Morrigan do what she wants

baseball.jpeg

>>383655714
>he kills him outright
Screwing up his chances at becoming a king, naturally, or he can even get executed at that point depending on how you handle it.
Alistair is such a whiny faggot 2bh.

>>383656010
Just saying its a possibility

>>383656232
I didn't play Cisquisition because I swore off bioware after ME3. Did they really not do anything with her and that kid (assuming you chose to let her have it)?

>>383654174
>Which begs the question of where the first Grey Wardens come from. But I imagine it probably is a part of the same story where a bunch of people figure out that if an Archdemon is killed by a normal man it just pops back out another Darkspawn good as new.
The First Blight lasted well over a century, they'd murdered the Archdemon multiple times. It was probably a group of Blight infected maniacs who finally caught on to the fact that there was only one Archdemon and it was just playing Musical Chairs with the Darkspawn

I played Inquisition and liked it, should I try any other entries?

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>>383656396
They do, actually.
If the Dark Ritual had been performed or the Warden romanced Morrigan, Morrigan introduces her son, Kieran, to the Inquisitor. If asked about his mother, he replies either that she is "the inheritor, she who awaits the next age" or that she is the Witch of the Wilds, depending on whether Kieran carries the Old God soul or is an ordinary child.
If Morrigan's Ritual was performed, Kieran will enter Morrigan's eluvian into the Fade and Morrigan chases after him. Joined by the Inquisitor, they find Kieran with Flemeth. When Morrigan attempts to attack, Flemeth magically commands who drunk from the Well to make her stop, revealing herself as a vessel of Mythal. She then offers a deal: Flemeth keeps Kieran and Morrigan is freed from her, or Kieran returns to Morrigan but Flemeth will keep hunting her. Morrigan refuses her offer, willing to even sacrifice her body to her mother to spare her son. With that, Flemeth only takes the Old God essence of Urthemiel from Kieran. Before departing, she tells Morrigan that she was never in danger, because an unwilling host cannot be possessed.
In the aftermath of Corypheus' defeat, Morrigan departs Skyhold for parts unknown.

>>383656731
Considering your taste you'll probably only like DA2.

>>383656732

god he's dumb

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>part of the war council is debating whether or not to wait for the Orlesians
>Ostagar is a defensive position, the Darkspawn attack that night
>the only way to "wait" would be to dismantle the camp and pull back further inland

...what?

>>383653180
>be renegade all trilogy
>me3 comes out
>literally every paragon option throughout the series is the right one
>game outright ignores my decision and gives me paragon-lite version of events
Seriously fuck bioware

>>383655152
Peebee isn't that bad outside of her loyalty mission, but that one part of the game is pure character assassination with how bad she is within it.

>>383657706
To be fair not all paragon options were correct

like the choice to blow up the Geth during Legion's loyalty was actually the better choice if you wanted to save everyone

>>383657706
>the entire tuchanka questline is "krogan are gud bois dey dindu nuffin"
AAAAAAHHHHHHHH

>>383657789
The Destroy/Reprogram choice was meaningless. Getting the Good End at Rannoch requires the most things done correctly but that isn't one of them

>>383657737
>outside of her loyalty mission
Still obnoxiously "quirky" and has way more flirt options than other characters so it feels like devs are pushing you to romance her.
The payoff is complete shit too.

>>383657789
I still feel like that choice should have been flipped, brainwashing a group seems more renegade

>>383657924
Obnoxious and quirky I guess I don't mind so much, but the shit she pulls in the loyalty mission is just intolerable.

>>383658050
Redpill me on this

>>383650296
>To be fair, the whole "only Grey Wardens can kill the Archdemon" thing wasn't exactly public knowledge.

I think that was public knowledge, the problem was people didnt realize HOW it was done. If people knew they were using a sort of primitive blood magic ritual they would have lost their collective shit.

>>383658162
Nah all the only info they had is "in the past the grey wardens stopped the blight"

>>383658315
Also like other anons mentioned before the Grey Wardens are seen as just some glorified thugs that tried a coup now. It's not hard to believe that people would start to doubt them.

>>383657870
If I recall correctly the Destroy/Reprogram did play factor into how many "points" you needed to successfully save both factions

of course you could still get the peace ending without it, but it will still a means of securing that outcome

>>383658050
What does she do? I'm not a babby about spoilers, lay it on me.

>>383658487
>Lay it on me Joker, I love bad news

>>383657974
As Legion tells you, even benign anthropomorphism is a form of racism. The Geth aren't human and trying to judge the situation from a human perspective is inherently flawed.

In all other situations, Paragon values saving life and offering the chance at redemption, which is what Reprogram does. It just does it in a way that, to humans, is morally dubious.

>>383658621
This pisses me off greatly. In ME2 Legion made it pretty clear that the Geth absolutely do not view them as individuals, but rather as a whole, and they even want to make a motherfucking dyson sphere.
Then Lead Writer Mac Walters comes along in ME3 and turns the entire Rannoch segment into the Geth doing their best Pinnochio "I WANNA BE A REAL BOY LIKE THE ORGANICS" impression.
Fuck you BioWare your game was shit from the start.

>>383657974
They're just a bunch of computers, no matter how intelligent.
Does it bother you to reset your computer because it "brainwashes" it?

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Tell me /v/.

Is Inquisition worth a play through?

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It felt soooo good calling Loghain out on his shit, kicking his ass, and then killing him

>>383658974
What bothers me is that if you brainwash the Geth they might side with the Reapers again.
>>383659007
No.

>>383659007
no
and fuck off with your closet dweeb furshit

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>>383658851
The guy who wrote Legion was too good, too pure for this world

>>383659007
I thought it was okay

nothing from that series has caught that feel of the first one (DAO) as others have said

>>383658851
Which is especially dumb when in ME2, the Geth Hivemind was already a nicer "being" than most of the Quarian retards you come across.

>>383659076
>if you brainwash the Geth they might side with the Reapers again
Exactly, so destroying them is pretty much the right choice, the game reflects that.

>>383658974
They are sapient.
To rewrite the Geth was no different than taking away their free will. Morally speaking it's wrong.

>>383659234
I agree.
>>383659095
>someone who got paid a lot more money than me
HMMM I WONDER WHO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN

>>383659095
He's got the same view on machine characters as me, I can respect.

>>383659328
>Morally speaking
That's human morality which is the wrong standpoint to take in this situation in the first place.

>>383659007
It's pretty mediocre.
Wouldn't say it's horrible, but it's not good either. If you can pirate it or find it dirt cheap then it's worth a play through.

>>383659095
This is canon for me now.
On the topic of devs talking with fans, I heard some anons mention that there was an Andromeda dev on /tg/ before the game's release talking about how it was going to be shit. Can anyone confirm?

>>383659446
If you consider the Geth as sapient being, wanting to rewrite them is wrong. They have the right to choose to side with the Reapers, if they want to. If you think they are just machines, then why get made at the Quarians for wanting to shut them down once they started becoming self aware? You people can't have it both ways.

>>383656732
Good thing he left Bioware. Hopefully Dragon Age 4 has less gay shit, and a dwarf romance in it.

>>383658134
>>383658487
Just the introduction
>Go to planet to find signal that PeeBee is tracking
>It is a volcanic active world and they are having a hard time finding a safe place to land
>Since things are taking too long Peebee tricks Ryder and friend into coming in to her escape pod, and she launches it toward where the signal is
>Escape pod comes down very rough and nearly lands in a giant pool of lava on the way down
>Just carries on as if she didn't just do the most retarded thing ever and nearly kill everyone

>>383659795
kek

>Dragon Age Inquisition
>Inquisition
>No actual religious purging or massacre
>Hang around with gays, lesbians, heretics and demons

WHAT KIND OF PATHETIC INQUISITION IS THIS?

>>383659795
But anon, she's lolsorandomXD

I'm sad you can't shoot her when she tackles you on the first planet

>>383659795
Seriously, Shepard would have just shot her if she pulled that shit. There wasn't even an option to kick her from the crew after that stunt.

>>383659651
>why get made at the Quarians
I'm not mad at quarians in the slightest, they had the right idea.
>wanting to rewrite them is wrong
Again, that's human morality which doesn't apply to computers. See >>383659095 the guy who initially wrote them even says that they don't want emotions which you're trying to apply here.

>>383659930
On not earth the inquisition was not founded by a religion that doesn't exist on not earth. So they wouldn't have a problem with queerosexuals.

>>383660070
Even Legion favors rewriting.

>>383659651
Yes we can. Morality is derived from an objective template that naturally instructs conscious beings just like physics instructs unconscious beings!
We are demonstrably correct and you cant prove us wrong!

>>383659930
So what were we inquisitioning again? Demons? Does that even count?

>>383659795
>things are taking too long
That's literally the only reason?
Would've court-martialled her blueberry ass in an instant 2bh.

>>383660331
Grounds for an on the spot execution in any civilized society.

>>383659795
>zaeed fucks up your mission in ME2
>you can kill him
>peepeeboopoo fucks up your mission in MEA
>nothing fucking happens
They really hit a new low

>>383659007
You'll be blown away by the start of the game and wonder what the hell we were ever talking about.

Then you 50 hours in and realize that the opening is the last time that you had fun

>>383659795

Heh, I did not play enough to complete loyalty missions, after cora turned me off with her bitching about not being pathfinder or her biotics, I only talked to the kogran and the female turian.

People also say Liam has one of the worst loyalty missions in the game, but its no surprise, after Sera pulled that retarded stunt in Inquisition, bioware began to believe that retarded teammates are the new cool thing, companions pulling the shit they did in Andromeda would get killed if they tried the same shit on shepard.

Ryder was too much of a nice guy, you would think someone with the lives of millions on his hands would have been less willing to endure stupid shit.

I remember the darkspawn dlc for origins, please bioware, give me a similar reaper dlc for andromeda and I will actually buy the game, let me command the reaper fleet and genocide the angara to my heart's content and I will become a biodrone.

>>383660571
>I only talked to the krogan and the female turian
The only good thing in the game and they were still just ripping off the original trilogy's characters

>>383660571
Liam's is worse, but you at least get the option to chew him the fuck out about it and call him out for being so retarded.

>>383653003
if by "generic" you mean that LOTR has invented a genre, you are very much right, kiddo

>>383660749
gotcha grandpa how's the senile home

>>383660545
>You'll be blown away by the start of the game
The no-feature white landscape full of nothing?

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>>383660718
It still feels underwhelming compared to the stuff Shepard did. He punched a quarian admiral for fucking with him, damnit, and that was in ME3.
Also, Liam's face lmao. This shit never gets old.

>>383660571
Drak and Vetra were the only teammates worth talking to. Jaal was also cool most of the time. Liam and Peebee are both shit. Was also surprised how shit Cora turned out. She was also pretty damn annoying, just as bad as Peebee, imo.

>>383656732
>pedophilia is gross unless it's two kids going at it

what did he mean by this?

>>383661035
Eh. Jaal is just a reskinned Jarvik, Vetra is a female Garrus (still pretty cool though).
Drak is not a romance option which I'd seriously go for.

>>383656968
What about if I chose for my Warden to follow her into that magic rift at the end of the last DA:O dlc?

>>383661035
What was that creepy scene about Jaal and whatshisface nigger swapping armor or some shit?
Was that supposed to be campy humor or something?

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>>383661445
DLC choices don't apply, only what you do in main game matters.

>>383661449
No clue why that scene was in the game.
Jaal was naked for no reason and Liam was half dressed. Yet outside of romancing Cora or Peebee there is zero fan service of females in Andromeda.

>>383661524
>I want to romance da bunny

>>383661449
Oh so that's what happening in the scene. I saw screenshots and wondered wtf was going on.
How does that even work, though, angara armor wouldn't fit in a human.

>>383661737
>so that's what happening in the scene
I've played it and I honestly have no idea. It's so bizarre, out of place and makes no sense. I think they said something about being without armor makes it easier to ask questions or some shit, I just gave up trying to understand bioware at that point.

>>383661897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks_i-yB7xT8
What the fuck.
>hur hur someone will get offended
WHAT THE FUCK

>>383661524
But, the ENTIRE POINT of that dlc was that choice. There was no other reason for it to exist except to give you a new final choice to make for the Morrigan situation.

>>383662156
It doesn't even create a save after the choice

When will you be when Anthem bombs

>>383662271
Laughing at people thinking it wont

>>383662156
It was a cash grab since DLC for the original game was selling quite well, also >>383662238 is correct.

>>383661035
>Crotchety old grandpa Krogan and cute girl Turian, have a hilarious relationship where they bicker endlessly

I'm surprised how great the two were considering how shit everyone else was.

>>383662327
The DLC is like 1 hour long and it just reuses assets from Awakening. It's shit, like all the other DLCs for the game.

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>>383662396
>tfw you realize that Awakening was just about the last expansion pack for any game ever, it's all dlc now

>>383662612
I'm still annoyed that they just transferred your warden over if you died rather than import your choices with the new warden

>>383662612
Holy fuck. You're right.

>>383662715
Weren't you able to do that though? I remember being able to play as an Orlesian Warden

>>383662853
Thats only if you make a free file

>>383662612
>Mfw the fucking Sword Art Online game has expansions that add new story, brand new areas and gear, and even party members
>Fucking SAO

When SAO somehow manages to be better, you know you fucked up.

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>>383663407
>only mumorpugers have expansions now
thank you industry

>>383662612
Most games call it DLC now, but there are still expansion sized DLC's out there.

The Witcher 3 is a good example in the same genre. I'm not trying to start shit flinging between the two games because I liked both Awakening and TW3 DLC's but they were pretty fantastic and I'd call them expansions in their own right.

>>383663746
Witcher is a different kind of beast since pollocks fucking love making games and not just do it because it's their job.
A shining example for sure but it's just about the only one of its kind.

>>383663670
SAO is a single-player game, it's one of those "guy gets trapped in a video game world" things.

>>383663953
why does it have online in its name then

>>383648352
there's actually a historical equivalent to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8LgN6z62NM

>>383664010
because it's based off a trash anime of the same name

>>383664060
yeah I just read up on that, the name of the game is the name of a fictional game within the game
japs are smoking crack again huh

>>383664010
The MC gets trapped in an MMO, hence the Online. The anime is absolute garbage, but for some reason, the games are fucking great.

>>383663746
Yeah but those still require the base Witcher 3 game. So it's not an expansion.

>>383664407
Expansions quite often required base game, that's not what it's about. Actually, it's pretty vague, since we're talking quality which can't be measured reliably.

>>383664057
>muslims compared to darkspawn
kek

Can we just get the storytelling and roleplay elements of the first game again? The combat can be fast or whatever but the story needs to go back to its roots, national darkness and turmoil being overcome by some literalwho not a Chosen One saving the entire world.

>>383664784
No that takes effor

>>383664784
>storytelling
I remember everyone bashing DAO for generic as fuck story, now 10 years later we want it again.
Go figure.

>>383664407
Expansions require base game dumb nigga. Same as DLC. Otherwise they're standalone which happens when the studio is sitting on the fence and doesn't have the balls to commit

>>383665394
Awakening was standalone you fuck

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Who /DusterOrigin/ here?

>mfw shitting all over the Proving

>>383664894
It was generic but with a unique twist, now it's generic in less of a fantasy way and more of a teeniebopper special snowflake way.

>>383665394
>Expansions require base game
Nah, some of them didn't, they were called standalone expansions.

>>383665638
Well apparently some shitter in marketing thinks it sells better.
Funny thing is, even Inquisition didn't sell as well as DAO, not to mention DA2 which sold like utter shit.
Being proved wrong again and again apparently doesn't mean anything in this industry, as they are happily making the same mistakes over and over again.

>>383665793
So has EA released how many Andromeda sold or are they too ashamed

>>383654414
Scout Hairline

>>383649079
Gaider also said our choices would matter and that Leliana had the master rouge skill feign death

>>383665904
>Leliana had the master rouge skill feign death
kek did that actually said that because that would be pretty funny

>>383665876
They basically said they don't want to even sell single player DLCs for Andromeda and basically dispersed the studio which made it, so there's that.

Why are the games after Origins still called Dragon Age if they don't even have dragons?

>>383654373
he was actually trying to kill Alister and his claim; killing Grey Wardens was his excuse as to why killing him was worth the exorbitant cost of the Crows

>>383665960
He said something along the lines "but you didn't check her pulse lol XD"
Even though you could have cut off her head in that battle in a finisher move.

>>383666063
Because they are set in the Dragon Age.
And Inquisition had more dragons than Origins.

I don't even need to read the thread to know people are defending him

The end of da:o is THREE YEARS after ostagar. Three years of the darkspawn growing and shitting on the country side, and you still win. With two rookie wardens and a hodge podge alliance.

They would have won ostagar. Easily. And the wardens would have killed the dargon. He did it because he was a petty faggot and he had it planned from the get go.

>>383666063
They actually do. But the game is called Dragon Age not because it has dragons, it's because every "age" in that universe has a name, like Sun Age, Faggot Age, etc.

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>>383665960
basically

>>383666148
It's 1 year.
And no they wouldn't.

>>383648681
Also acts like a complete arrogant cunt throughout the game. Killing him was the only right choice

>>383666192
It's so obvious that they decided to bring her back and only later realized that "oh wait she could be dead" but didn't want to bother accounting for that.
So that damage control just looks pathetic.

he did it because he was shit-scared of Orlais moving back into Ferelden, which would have happened had Cailan survived. depending on how quickly the Archdemon showed itself after Ostagar, though, there would have been no need.

>>383666192
He could have just said:
"Only because we made that choice once doesn't mean we can't retcon everything later, faggot."
Now he looks like a retard

>>383665509
Uh really? Well I guess I wouldn't know, I didn't unnistall the base game for a long time

>>383666171
and to expand, the age is called Dragon because of the retun of dragons after centuries

>>383666372
>tfw you'll never fugg Orlesian girls with hairy armpits and cute accents

Anyone else feel it sort of cheapened the end of Witch Hunt for Morrigan to show up in Orlais?

>>383666549
You can go to Orlais in Inquisition.
It's a shitty tiny level with no-one to fugg tho.

>>383660526
>Mass Effect 2 is the best Bioware game
>It's all downhill after that

I wonder how it feels to have peaked.

>>383662612
Shovel Knight's extra campaigns.

>>383654437
>EA happened
motherfucker, DAO was the first game developed under EA

>>383666425
So Skyrim ripped off DA backstory?
Wew Todd.

>>383667349
EA came to acquire BW when DAO was almost finished, they didn't intervene in the process, were mostly doing PR stuff and advertising.
They saw it as a profitable venue later on and forced BW to make DA2 a sequel (it was supposed to be an expansion like Awakening first, which is why it feels so fucking lackluster).
There are countless interviews about that stuff out there.

>>383667364
DAMN.

I miss this game
Might be one of my favorite RPG's of all time

>>383667478
EA also caused the change of gameplay in mass effect 2. They also threw enough money at them so they can make their games look like they were actually made the year that they were released instead of being 3 years behind the times.

It's easy to blame big corportations for everything bad that happens to a dev but let's not forget before EA bioware answered to fuckin microsoft.

Bioware always excelled at writing and world building, gameplay wise their games were mediocre at best before EA stepped in and made them streamline and simplify and their bullshit. It might "dumbed down" but it's a hell of a lot better than spending more time with their shit ai and menus than I have to.

>>383648352
>game never lets you tell him this
What? Did you even play the game?

>>383650857
Howe is still a noble, even if he's a shitty noble.

>>383666192
Isn't Isabella in this same boat?

>>383653260
>No option to remind Alistair that you're essentially giving him a death sentence
>No option to remind Alistair that you are essentially tearing him away from his position as a ruler to force him into an order of travelling scourge killers
>No option to just slap Alistair across the face and tell him to stop being a fucking moron for five seconds

>>383654298
I miss when they called elves knife ears and you can start your journey butchering a bunch of humans who crash your wedding for elven pussy.

>>383652276
>its the first RPG where I really got invested in the world and characters.
Fuck off, child.

>>383668609
>Bioware always excelled at writing and world building,

Mass effect was their first successful game with an original setting. It was genuinely surprising that they suddenly managed to create an interesting universe on their own.

>pirate DA:I
>make female qunari
>she looks so fucking ugly i have to drop the game

>>383669825
Fucking this and fuck you anon I don't want to play ME1 for the 10th time

>>383655316
Alistair is leagues above those two whiny asshats, next to varric he is my favorite companion in the DA universe

>>383660070
>>383659095
If the geth have no emotions why did they rebel in the first place?

Convince me to reinstall /v/

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>>383659007
If you use cheat engine for banter and ignore the side quests. Trespasser alludes to the next Dragon Age actually being fun.

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>>383674946
Play it for Best Witch

>>383675227
>Trespasser alludes to the next Dragon Age actually being fun.
Gas the shems, race war now!

>>383675587
Need to mod her face tho

Anora was the best girl.
Too bad she is never been a cameo in the inquisition

>>383648681
he was PTSD and paranoid as fuck about the eternal Orlesian

>>383675587
I actually really like her vanilla face.

Too bad I'm a huge faggot who likes traps with bony shoulders but cute faces and the juxtaposition of masculine and feminine features gets me the fuck off.

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>>383675878
No way, she's cute.
Isn't Claudia Black's voice enough for you?

>>383676034
Anora's just a smug bitch. Outmanoeuvring her at the Landsmeet and killing her father in front of her is one of the most satisfying moments in the game.

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>>383676271
>I actually really like her vanilla face.
Likewise, I appreciate her looking so gorgeous in Inquisition but I think they did a great job with her and Lel in Origins.

Admirable taste, though I'm not personally into traps. You must've really enjoyed Cass in Inquisition, huh?

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How does one quit Morri?

>>383675878
Are you fucking gay?

Cailan was a goofy manchild playing hero he wouldn't listen to Loghain or Duncan about how dangerous it was and thought the grey wardens were supermen.

>>383654289
Let's be real; he was right that the Orlesians wouldn't leave if they came in.

I guess most would say its better to be under Orlesian occupation then be wiped out by the Blight, but Loghain and quite a few Fereldans would rather die than suffer that.

I'm surprised the thread's come this far without it; best origin?

>>383676845
Never played Inquisition, but that's a pretty cute girl. I also have a thing for scarred women, though, so that's a factor.

>>383677765
City elf, female.

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>Love DA:O thousand times more than DA:I but played DA:I way a lot more at the same time
I guess it's just that I have no trouble replaying DA:I in a bit different ways because it doesn't mean that much to me. My DA:O character is literally my mary sue self insert and every time I replay it, I do pretty much the same things and waifu my witch. Although I did notice slight changes in my choices over time.

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>>383676845
>mfw this is her VA

>>383677765
Poor Dwarf sucks dick, but I only ever did it, Mage and Human Noble. I have to say, Human Noble is the best out of the three.

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He did nothing wrong.

>>383677765
Probably human noble overall because it feels good to get revenge on Howe after his evil banter about burning your family in a pit.

>>383677889
she clearly can sympathize with cass flatness

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>>383677889
I just imagine she looks like her VA and it turns me on every time

>>383666192
I killed Leliana in Origins and she said that the lyrium in that cave brought her to life again or some shit like that. Or maybe I'm remembering wrong.

>>383654967
>Nobody asked for a male qunari romance

Ha ha. Ha. Son, what? Literally everybody has made a shitload of content about wanting to bang Sten.
Now Bull's whole romance is pure garbage and has no redeemable qualities whatsoever, but ever since they updated the Qunari models in DA2 literally everyone, including the fujos, want to ride that.

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>>383678054
>not liking qt petite waifu
what's wrong with you?

>>383650328
It's cause he blamed his retreat/the defeat overall on the wardens right? He would have to hunt them down and bring them to "justice" for their treachery if he was to come across as innocent to the rest of the country

>>383678073
Now I like Cassandra even more

>>383648352
I suicided him by the final boss. Feels good as hell. Also feels good to be alive haha.

>>383678578
>not making the deal with morrigan so you'll have a archdemon-souled son to raise and instruct

>>383648352

The whole deal about ignoring the darkspawn was indeed very silly, but far as I am aware there's a giant gap between the rushing of the last section of the game, and Loghain's supposed actual character.
You never get shown how far his PTSD about the Orlesian stretches (it being the whole "lol go read the books to understand the character lmao" garbage all these games pull.), you also never get to find the "accenting factors" to his actions (like the letters between Cailan and the Empress) unless you had/went to the Ostagar DLC.
Additionally you never get to actually have a conversation with him about anything, ever unless you actually overlook how poorly executed his character was. After you do have him in your party and get to discuss all the shit he did, he is actually almost the most likeable character you can have in your party, and he goes down to second handedly admit he was entirely overtaken by the aforementioned PTSD, making himself act irrational in an attempt to keep the Orlesians away even if it meant having to deal with Death by Darkspawn.

TL:DR
His character's motives and actions are fine, but as with everything Bioware, they weren't capable of ever executing them in a fashion where you, as the player, could have pieced his situation, intentions and so on as a valid choice. Because Gaider has a giant boner for Alistair and wanted you to really struggle in order to not wind up supporting him.

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>>383677240
Why would you want to? Best girl, best wife all years.
>tfw replaying Origins and remembering how cute all her early banter is
Morrigan is truly a miracle of the universe.

>>383678702
That fucking deal actually made me mad as hell. To bad you can't kill morrigan at this point because of plot armor. Fucking bitch holy shit.

>>383678712
Doesn't it make for a good villain to give the player someone who appears as a very flat and twodimensional "raaagh I'm evil" guy unless you dig deeper?
Also, muh Orlais does not excuse deserting your king and almost dooming the land to a Darkspawn invasion

>>383678712
Alistair turns into a shitty king and bitches at you if you don't harden him

>>383678812

Yes and no. It would have been a valid "dig deeper" choice if the factors that pushed you to dig deeper weren't "i am bored so I am going to do a contrarian run on DA:O just to support the evil guy" or "I fucking hate alistair jesus christ how do I kill him oh is it supporting loghain? yes oh yes!"
Again, it could have been fine. But half that shit being behind a DLC and half the other being something you can only get AFTER you make "the" choice is rather silly.
And sure it is. Ostagar was lost anyways, and in the book he has met the Architect and knows the shit he's doing. So eh.

still waiting for that wynne romance mod

>>383678954
not if you marry him, anon

>>383679103

Which you wouldn't do if you had standards, anyways.

>>383678790
Can't you kill her in the DLC?

>>383679039
But anon, that's the wrong approach to games. Doing a "contrarian" run after you've already completed the game in a way that you think guarantees the best outcomes is the very essence of RPGs
Playing a character OTHER than "basically myself trying to take the optimal choices" is literally why role-playing exists
Plus, it's a Bioware game so you know for a fact beforehand the game really wants you to do multiple playthroughs with different choices to see how it affects the story and your companions

>>383669682
Nigga I played that back in 2010, I'm fucking 20 now.

I've since started to go back and play some older games, currently playing vtmb and deus ex right now.

>>383678954
Hardening Alistair is so fucking strange though. He basically decides "fuck it, you can go around murdering people if you want to and I won't care" because his sister turns out to be a cunt.

>>383679242
Don't mind bitter old people
I'm 27 but when I was a kid I basically only played shitty games coming with some of those PC gaming magazines back then, so I never touched any of the classic cRPGs in the past either. Makes for a great feeling when you finally discover them

>>383679371
Doesn't he have that lingering trauma about everyone except the Arl treating him like scum because he was a bastard (who might usurp the throne one day) and not understanding it?
So it's more of a last straw thing

>>383659007
for the trespasser dlc? absolutely

>>383679197

And again. If there had been actual development before the choice or any other information finding whatsoever beyond you drawing wild assumptions, it would have been a good choice.
The only endeavoring reason to go with it, is that it makes sense to not kill yourself or give Morrigan a world ending demon baby. (Which for me is more than enough, my contrarian run was in fact NOT sparing Loghain, as it's retarded to do otherwise.), from a character perspective they never give you so much as a small push to ever consider doing it. Which is a very meh choice making even for RPG-ing.

>>383677765
Generally? Dwarf noble.
For it being personal? Human noble.
For most opportunities to be offended? Female elf mage.
For if you don't want to be a midget? Female city elf.
For if you don't want to be a midget and want to play a guy? Male city elf.
For if you're a midget fetishist AND a bolshevik? Dwarf commoner.
For what reason does this exist? Dalish elf.

>>383679196
You can stab her, but she has a role in DAI, so you definitely didn't kill her. I don't know how it affects dialogue however, since I never did it

>>383679513
Well, that's Bioware
At least in DA:O they didn't try pushing you into decisions with a karma system

>>383679371
I never really noticed much of a change besides the tail end of the game in Denerim. His opinion of Anora is better when he's hardened cause he sees her for what she is.

>>383679402
Yeah, I have baldurs gate ready to go, I just want to finish vtmb ready to go beforehand.

I did play rpgs beforehand, such as new vegas, I just didn't appreciate that game as much when it came out originally. I've gone back and love it now but back then I was a dumb kid.

Still have to try out planescape and Kotor . Not that big of a fan of Avellone but he can do some good shit, and planescape and Kotor 2 are suppose to be his best.

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>has the opportunity to choose an experient ruler
>still chooses the one guy with absolutely no experience who will also die after 30 years

these guys.

I never finished DA:O because I found the gameplay to be a bit boring. If I wanted to replay the game, what is the most broken class to be? I'm talking about being beyond broken.

>>383679689
>I just want to finish vtmb ready to go beforehand.
Good policy, I have so many games lying around unfinished after 10 or 20 hours because other games that I wanted to play came along

>>383679770
Loghain isn't an experienced ruler he's a warrior peasant. The couslands were the true heirs and would've brought a golden age to ferelden

>>383679821
Mage
They can nuke everything, and there's specializations that get an AoE stun and DoT (Blood Mage) or become tankier than an actual warrior (Arcane Warrior) while still throwing out spells

>>383677765
I've always liked human noble, although I do like how your origin will add a bit more to certain parts of the story. I can imagine someone picking Harrowmont over Bhelen since Bhelen fucks you over as a dwarf noble, even though Bhelen is the better choice for the dwarfs overall.

>>383679821
Usually Arcane Warrior is thought of as the most OP. I think there's some other set ups that are even more broken.

>>383679941
i was talking about anora,btw. fuck noghain

>>383648352
>>game never lets you tell him this
because we all know that's just an excuse. the real reason he retreated was so he can get rid of Cailan.

anyway, I spared him since Riordan made a good point.

>>383679982
I kind of dislike just how one sided they made that choice in later games. Like, its pretty blatant how terrible Harrowmont is when they get mentioned in Inquisition.

Even if you're warden was a dwarf noble, its said Harrowmont gave up on finding you and declared you dead, while Bhelen's still looking, and built you a statue too. And Bhelen's the nice guy who wants to meet up with the Inquisitor. Like I get it, Bhelen was the better choice, but make it a bit more subtle at least.

>>383679770
>kingdom in the grips of a retarded civil war
>bump off Loghain and install the one guy with immediate right to the throne so everyone would finally stop fighting
>hurr why can't you crown someone else
Besides, Anora is barren so at least it's way to make sure Alistair's genes will be leaving the pool eventually.

>>383679828
Yeah, I'm starting to have that problem now already. I've been meaning to go back and try new vegas with mods, but can't bring myself to do it right now. I'll get in the mood for it eventually but between those two games and mount and blade warband I already have plenty as is.

>>383679986
Like what? When I inevitably replay the game again, I might wanna try one of those instead of just going solo arcane warrior for the fourth time

>>383679821
Every class can be built to become invincible, but in the grand tradition of d&d mages are broken straight out of the box and only get worse as you figure out the system.

>>383679982

I wish they had kept how much more invested you can get with one side of the story in later games.
(In fact it's honestly why Inquisition sucks and why you can really only go through DA2 once.)

I had vastly different experiences running through the game with a different origin and I can only appreciate that.
I remember my first two origins were human male mage and female dwarf noblewoman.

Seeing how my mage just started in the most secluded of places with nothing to live for and shit, I could easily get him to hop on most shit.
Alistair felt pitiable, Leliana was fine, doing bad things felt out of character for the most part, so on.

Then I went trough with my female dwarf and honestly the game turned upside down in most hilarious ways.
Alistair whining about his hard situation was like
>fuck you my brother just tried to KILL ME and I am unwillingly stuck leading your sorry little ass because you can't be bothered die you comic relief shithead
Leliana was a
>nope get the fuck out
straight up. Walking away from the undead horde and just coming back to stab the child in the throat so the business was dealt with quick felt just fitting at this point, as did the idea of my character going "werewolves are rad. elves are pussies. I know where I want my loyalties."

I miss Origins.

>>383680281
I've heard spirit warrior archer is absurd.

>>383679821
blood mage. blood wound for days. there's only a few non-living enemies in the game.

it's so broken you'll get bored because of how easy it is unless you solo on insanity.

>>383680130
I don't even remember them getting mentioned in inquisition. Then again I played that game right up till the final battle, turned it off for the day and just could not bring myself to pick it back up and finish it

Also Bhelen is still looking for you? Why? He was the one who got you sent into the deep roads in the first place, unless you're referring to inquisition.

>>383680130
Bhelen wasn't a "nice guy" at all he was quite a dick to you and a tyrant that rules with an iron fist but his policies on casteless and trade are more practical while Harrowmont is stuck in tradition.

>>383680383
Its mentioned in Inquisition, the deep roads DLC. Apparently the dwarf noble and bhelen reconciled.

>>383680374
>solo on insanity
Those were some fun times
>play Arcane Warrior
>battle in Denerim at the end
>fighting two Ogres
>just waiting to get one or two hits in before they pick you up to do shit-all damage again
Also
>meet enemy Arcane Warrior (for example that one guy at the dragon cult)
>he casts that spell that deactivates your sustained abilities
>insane mana regeneration from Shimmering Shield being gone kicks in
>quickly have to burn through my mana so the guy doesn't Mana Clash me to death

>>383677798
That's because you have good taste, anon. Cass has a cute Prussian accent, too, that and the scars really do it for me.

>>383677889
>>383678073
>>383678229
Fuck this girl is cute. I agree, I like Cass even more now. She did a really good job with her voice, too.
I remember having a crush on this actress from that spy show she was in

>>383680341
why archer? and can a warrior even keep up soulbrand the same way an arcane warrior keeps up shimmering shield?

>>383680636
What the fuck is a Prussian accent? At different times, the inhabitants of that region spoke Old Prussian (before getting colonized by Germans), German, Polish, and Russian
Which one of those is it? And how do you tell it apart from a regular accent of that language?
t. triggered German

>>383680327
You could be a real piece of shit in origins, like fucking the girl some guy likes a rubbing it in his face how you cucked him. Bioware has moved away from that ever since, like in ME:A the dialogue options tend to be professional or casual, and you can't really be angry at anyone. Like in >>383659795 right after the crash that nearly kills you three she turns and looks at you and just says "Are you mad Ryder?" Your only options are "yeah I'm mad." Where Ryder just sounds a little annoyed and "no I'm not." If she pulled that shit with Shepard she would have gotten her ass chewed out, regardless of Paragon or Renegade. Renegade would properly threaten to have her shot for jeopradising the mission.

>>383650981
I always rolled with the fact he wanted to get rid of the last cousland so that they couldn't make a claim on the throne, dunno about other origins though.

>>383680374
>>383680527
God damn it I just want to roleplay my tiny Elf mage who hates blood magic and stockholms the church for keeping mages in line but I can't stand doing a sub-optimal build
Give me the strength to resist the urge to ruin my game, what's the third best mage-type?

>>383680479
Ah, okay. I never played any of the dlcs myself so didn't know. I honestly just quit right before the final battle and never picked it up again.

>>383680820
There isn't any RPGs with voiced dialog choices that let you be a hilarious evil madman like in DAO. It ruined it.

>>383676514
There was nothing smug about her.
She was just a lonely woman which was wed at her 17th birthday to a man who started to cheat on her right away, just because her father and father of her husband were the best buds.
She tried to mask her cuckery with facade of powerlust and strong will. While beneath all she wanted is too cuddle and have her womb blessed with a child.
In the origin's addon Loghain clearly tells that she earns for children but can't tell it clearly due to useless pride.

>>383680907
Control mage with Spirit Healer spec.

>>383680907
You can go Arcane Warrior without being a Blood Mage anon, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter
You can even stay a regular mage, it doesn't really make a difference whether you cast an AoE stun and damage spell or just throw giant fireballs and lightning storms

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>DA:O
>has a godlike battlemage specialization

>DA2
>doesn't have a battlemage specialization

>DA:I
>has a godlike battlemage specialization

>DA4
>???

I hope this isn't a pattern. They better fucking include arcane warrior or knight enchanter again, or something even cooler.