OK /v/. Time to settle this once and for all. Was what Arthas

>>383634975
Arthas was right however if shit never went down as it did Azeroth would never have leveled up and would have been destroyed when Deathwing attacks

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It was too extreme. Dude has an army with him. He could have forcibly displaced the peasants, hauled them off and gave them a proper screening process for the plauge.

BUT NUUU I HAVE TO KILL THEM NOW AND PROTECT MY PEOPLE LIKE A GOOD KING

Garrosh is the guy who did nothing wrong

>>383636320
You're forgetting Daelin Proudmoore

>>383636538
Nothing more than a racist.

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>>383636636
And Garrosh wasnt?

And that screening could take months for a city of thousands
and Mal'ganis was already inside.

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>>383636320
This kind of. Except for the retard spoiler part.

No matter how right it might have been, Arthas was brash and over-zealous like the spoiled shitfuck that he is and did not allow a clear headed decision to be made by his mentor, a more experienced Paladin.

>>383634975
my choice is he'd be in the right if he stayed, but since he listened to the sneaky demon and fell into the lich king's hands he fucked up

unless you want to spin it so that the forsaken/all the death knights are needed to save areroth since they've been in raids to kill the big bads then everything he did was right

>>383636801
Nope. Garrosh was a nationalist. He was fine with everyone in the horde until they started turning on him for literally no reason

>>383636996
Garrosh was racist against the Alliance though.

>>383636996
He saw the horde as weak and diluted with the other races. He was Orc-Hitler.

>>383636872
>Uther's decision was to run away crying instead
like a hero

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>>383636320
>Kills / fights leaders who led their races to Kalimdor and away from Annihilation.

He at the very fucking least, did EVERYTHING wrong from a political angle.

>>383637202
Can't be racist against a racist aggressor :)
>>383637224
Feelings that weren't expressed until they started rebelling against for literally no reason. Cata garrosh was absolutely the best warchief since Ogrim Doomhammer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfUTrDnQNBk

>>383634975
>Was what Arthas did to cull Stratholme right?
It was the right course of action from a moral standpoint since those guys were fucked anyway but it was still the wrong choice to make for Arthas. Arthas simply had no way to convince his closest allies, Uther and Jaina, to agree with what he wanted to do. By choosing to cull Stratholme, he alienated the allies he needed to defeat Mal'Ganis. As a result, he found himself having to rely on Frostmourne to beat him which led to his corruption. Thus Arthas made the wrong choice.

What he should have done here is that he should have simply put Uther in charge of the outpost and retreat home with Jaina in tow. Uther would then get wrecked by Mal'Ganis and ask for the help of King Terenas. Arthas could then take a big army to crush Mal'Gaynis with Uther's help and without relying on Frosthomo.

>>383637363
>Political upheavil because you aren't a green human
>Get challenged for leadership of the horde.
>Decide to slay that fucker in mok'gora instead of having a conventional duel where your political enemies can crawl away and forment a rebellion

He lead the horde exactly the way a Draenor Orc should lead the horde. Mistakes and all. Garrosh had perhaps the most character development of any single character in all of WoW lore and it was pretty nice right up until writers made him a villain

>>383634975
It doesn't matter if it was right at that point, what really mattered would have been if Arthas had ever arrived to Northrend in the first place. If Uther and Jaina had stuck with him then they could have prevented everything afterwards and had keep human forces together
>>383636996
Garrosh absorbed a God made entirely made of Hatred, how can you defend that?

>>383637741
>Garrosh absorbed a God made entirely made of Hatred, how can you defend that?

If I'm really trying to spin it? Devs confirmed he wasn't corrupted and he created a super weapon that would finish the alliance.

if I'm not trying to spin it? It happened after Blizz decided to turn him into a villain so it was illogical like a lot of the other choices the writers made.

>>383637481
inb4 blizzard gives jaina access to a reality warping wish. with a big fuck you corrupted jaina boss fight in a raid. where right before she dies from her wounds she makes her wish.

Wishing exactly what you posted as reality, therefore keeping azeroth at it's scale level of before vanilla wow. in doing so giving access for the take over of azeroth in a snap of some old gods finger.

Wishing her husbando back.

Well the events that followed pretty much prove that he was in the wrong. The way I see it the entire thing was a trap anyways. The people of Stratholme were going to die anyways the lich king just used it as a means to drive Arthas further down the path to madness. He walked right into it because he was a naive Prince and hadn't been exposed to the horrors of war. They were essentialy grooming him.

>>383637904
Everybody can agree that Blizzard writers are very terrible at their jobs and nobody but the people who hired them know how they actually got the job. If we have to talk about the writers then it needs to be pointed out that everything they made has no direction and motives for every character makes no sense because it seems like they don't know what to do with them.

>>383638139
>TFW Papa Ner'zual will never adopt you

>>383636320
Did you forget how quickly they turned? By the time you even gather up half the populace they'd have already started succumbing and fucking up everyone around them. It'd also happen during the screening process if they ever got that far. You know how hard it would be to keep everything in order for a proper inspection when every third guy turns into a zombie and has to be put down? Not to mention the fact that Mal'Ganis and his army were there fucking shit up as well.

>>383636872
>everyone in the city is infected with a plague that will quickly them against us and has no cure
>we need to purge it or things will get even worse
and uther had the great idea of doing nothing.

>>383638432
Not an issue, Azeroth has been dealing with wild undead for a long time. They were never a threat because they never had a thinking mind behind them. It could easily be handled and you'd end up saving lives in the process

Either way its moot. No, siding with the Lich King was not the correct choice

>>383638642
>Not an issue, Azeroth has been dealing with wild undead for a long time. They were never a threat because they never had a thinking mind behind them. It could easily be handled and you'd end up saving lives in the process

Yeah but this time they were though. Mal'ganis was directly guiding them. And beyond that, the Lich King.

>>383638078
It would be nice if we got Arthas back and together with Jaina as a less reckless, more level-headed guy. I liked Death Knight Arthas a lot because he was confident yet cunning. He never overextended himself like Paladin Arthas did. Wrath kind of shat on his character so it would be nice to get him back just as a good guy now instead of an unfeeling killing machine. Conversely I think Jaina's character improved. I like how got disillusioned about the orcs and now hates them. I hope she gets to have a happy ending.

>>383638634
Uther had the great idea of not walking directly into a trap set by Ner'zhul. Did you not play the rest of the game? The lich king planned for Arthas to purge Stratholme and kill Mal'ganis the whole time. Dude was playing 4d chess.

Arthas did nothing wrong in Stratholme, he did howerever go full retard chasing down Mal'ganis in Northrend.

>>383639078
Strat wasn't the trap, the trap was in Northrend.

>>383636320
literally the only thing arthas did wrong was follow memeganis to northrend
besides that he dindu nuffin
the entire city was already infected, and if he hadnt killed them they would have turned into such a massive undead army that they would have overwhelmed lordaeron

>>383639295
Dont know what game you played but there were not more than 12 houses in that fucking town

>>383639258
Not true. They used Stratholme to drive Arthas insane. Without the purge he would have never have been fucked up enough to chase Mal'ganis to northrend.

>>383639449
It was the biggest city in the kingdom, literally the entire populace was infested, and would have turned into a fighting army for the undead

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>>383639514
>12 houses was the biggest city in the kingdom

>>383638634
Uther is an experienced Paladin who's seen some shit. He knew it'd be best not to do anything rash and just retreat so that reinforcements may be assembled, Silver Hand could be consulted, etc. etc.

Fucking infrastructure is important. If one young Paladin just starts burning villages at every sight of serious necromancy, they'd quickly collapse as an order.

>>383636320
The previous chapter they almost get killed and raped by much weaker infected villages. Stratholme was the second largest city in the kingdom. If they tried to face it head on, it would be 100% certain defeat.

>>383636320
>ruin all that fucking character development in Cataclysm that could have turned him into a strong fisted but fair leader
>generic evil dude in MoP muh corruption
Metzen was a mistake

Reminder that the Scarlet Crusade was literally 100% correct and there was no reason for the Alliance to oppose them as much as they did

>>383639730
This is it exactly. You had one paladin who had been in the shit who saw what was coming in Stratholme if they started killing civilians and one paladin who's daddy got him in the army who had no idea what he was in for if he walked into Stratholme. This is what people don't get about this when they say Arthas did nothing wrong.

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>Tfw died for absolutely nothing

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>>383640281
>being lead by a (literal) demon
>100% correct

>>383639472
Arthas was never insane, everything he did made sense towards his goal of killing Mal'ganis which he thought would end the Scourge.

>>383640281
>Make friends with Undead, gain alliance and overpower the horde. Get at the very least the ghost of Lordaeron and the entire continent back under Alliance territory.
vs.
>Make them be the faggy, edgy Forsaken.
>Grant the Horde a foothold on the continent.

I mean I'm not saying Stormwind wouldn't have innately hated and driven away the Forsaken anyways, but the Scarlet Crusade deadlocked them into it.

>>383640406
>Demon performing the correct action somehow makes it incorrect

>>383639730
>Uther is an experienced Paladin who's seen some shit.
He didn't see that the Plague could infect anybody and be overwhelming.
>He knew it'd be best not to do anything rash and just retreat so that reinforcements may be assembled, Silver Hand could be consulted, etc. etc.
He was wrong.
>Fucking infrastructure is important.
Doesn't matter when everything is gone.
>If one young Paladin just starts burning villages at every sight of serious necromancy, they'd quickly collapse as an order.
Everybody there was going to be a soldier for an undead army, that was the perfect time to do that.

So, answer me, who were we supposed to cheer for in this cutscene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AlnE16-2NI

Even tho garrosh did a lot of wrong, he was completely right in this scene. Meanwhile Thrall was cheating.

>>383640334
Uther's experience was entirely against orcs, the Scourge was a completely new threat that he had no idea how to handle.

>>383640552
So why'd he put on the helmet, then? Fuckall else to do?

>>383639730
>>383640334
the plague was new shit, Uther knew nothing about the situation, in fact, Arthas and his men were the only ones who dealt with the plague

Uther knew about orcs and shit, he knew nothing about the effect of the plague and how really fucked the situation was, although questionable, Arthas decision of burning everything up was the correct one, when you don't understand an infectious illness you quarantined first

>>383640567
>Forgetting Sylvanas declaring war on the remnant forces of Lordaeron and all the evil bullshit she'd done since then
Forsaken are the aggressors, it is rightfully the Crusade's land

>>383640671
After Frostmourne took his soul he still wasn't insane, just a soulless dick.

Obviously arthas did the right thing in the grand scheme of things. Anyone who disagrees is an idiot who can't understand morals on a greater level.

Some people seem to think culling stratholme was his turning point but it wasn't at all. His turning point was when he was in nothrend and let his vengeance get the better of him, if you want a more precise moment it was either when he burned his own ships so his men could not go home, or when he turned on muradin so he could claim frostmourne, whichever one happened first i forget the order.

>>383640552
Yeah that's what all the insane shouting was about after Mal'ganis bailed in strat or when he destroyed his own ships so he could sacrifice all of his men, or when he picked up frostmourne even though he knew it was cursed. Yeah that's pretty sane.

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>>383640604
>One town raised as the dead means Lordran gets KO'd.

Well ok...

>>383640751
he wasnt even "soulless", he went insane after wandering in the cold of northrend alone, for months
in that time nerzhul probably convinced him of everything

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>>383640751
>he still wasn't insane, just a soulless dick

>>383640831
>he wasnt even "soulless"
One of the first things Balnazzar says to him is that his soul is the first one Frostmourne took.

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>Literally do what the lich king wants you to do
>He totes did the right thing guys

REEEE DK PLAYERS GET OUT

>>383640803
>The second biggest city on the continent turning means Lordearon falls
Yes you dingus

There really was nothing else to be done. The population was full of the walking dead already, as Arthas had arrived well after the entire city had been consuming infected grain. Mal'Ganis is already in there, going door to door and carting off every new ghoul to his zombie fuckhouse while also burning everything down just because.
If Uther truly believed something else could be done, he wouldn't have pussied off back to the capital while Arthas razed the city. If they pulled back to think of a new plan to save everyone, the only thing that would happen is that Stratholme's entire population would be made into an enormous army and all of Loraderon would have fallen in a matter of days.

This entire situation was specifically engineered by Memeganis and the Lich King as a "fuck the paladin" scenario, anyway.
A. Arthas is forced to purge Stratholme to prevent immediate undead apocalypse and is further driven on his path of vengeance, ultimately giving the Lich King a brand new Death Knight to conquer Lordaeron with.
B. They pull out and let it happen to think of a new plan, Lordaeron gets conquered anyway but much sooner.

>>383634975
Yes, he was right.

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>>383640892
>Balnazzar
>BALNAZZAR
You disgust me

>>383640772
>can't understand morals on a greater level

Morals at a greater level would be "victory is worth nothing if we have to throw people under the bus".

Via morals, you'd keep your hands clean and not participate in brutal mercy killings. You'd let forces of Evil do their work and confront them at another time. That's the honorable choice. Morals don't mean "what's the best for our survival".

>>383640696
Given how it ended it's pretty obvious he made the wrong decision. Also the orcs were a bunch of demon worshipping savages that summoned undead also. Either was far more seasoned in any kind of war than Arthas was.

>>383638982
This, and you can't even argue that they couldn't have know about the undead's new organised ways, because mal'ganis fucking immediately shows up and says "yo waddup nigger, I'm mal'ganis and I'm here to zombify the entire fucking city, catch me while you can you blond-haired faggot"

>>383640803
>Just let everybody in the 2nd largest city turn undead and fight you later
>let the enemy build up it's forces to overwhelm you
Atrthas did the right thing, if Uther needed to get his head out his ass.

>>383641029
sorry i get my dreadlords mixed up since they all use one of two models

>>383641068
Either = Uther

Ggvvv

>>383640915
Still a big stretch. You don't know what could have happened if they remained calm and level headed. Could have set up a defensive line in time, consulted allies and mages, called reinforcements from Khaz Modan / Stormwind, or even evacuated Lordaeron.

Far from written in stone.

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>>383640281
>>383640586
>We kill Brigitte Abbendis in Wrath

>>383641029
Wasn't he the one Arthas talks to in Lorderon after becoming a Death Knight?

>>383641201
>Could have set up a defensive line in time
Yes that would have worked wonderfully as Mal'ganis was teleporting them out of the city

>>383634975
Yes. One of the missions before Stratholme shows what happens. Even in the same mission it shows he was right.

>>383636996
He fucked over the Blood Elves and had them booted out of/massacred out of Dalaran, a city they built.
He niggered the Trolls because Vol'jin didn't like how he was ruling.
He killed Carine by cheating. Niggered them too despite Tauren being the biggest and most loyal bro's Orcs ever had.

Garrosh was literally an emo faggot bitching about daddy when you meet him. Then turns into a hothead idiot who demands leadership. He's given said leadership and actually does well for awhile, then goes lol evil hypocrite mode and he bitches like a faggot to Thrall about it because.

Garrosh is literally a Nigger. He was given an opportunity to do something, and fucked everything up and blames other people for his failures.

>>383637481
Jaina also knew what happens with the Plague.

>>383640792
>when he destroyed his own ships so he could sacrifice all of his men,
>or when he picked up frostmourne even though he knew it was cursed
I'm not saying it was morally right but they were both logical decisions, he wasn't crazy or unstable. He needed to stop his army from being recalled and he needed extra firepower because they were outnumbered.

>>383641263
That was Tichondrius.

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>>383641145
Instead what happened was Arthas became a sleeper agent and did the same exact god fucking damned thing anyways, but with even greater efficiency, because he had a much bigger element of surprise.

At least if he retreated with Uther, Lordaeron could have had a much more solid defense.

I can't believe this is even an argument. I mean sure if you consider the Burning Legion and WoW's story, it was probably the only good outcome, but in and of itself, Arthas was still a stupid little shitkid.

>>383634975
Yes he was had Uther not been a complete total bitch he probably wouldn't have ended up the Lick King.

it was the start of the downfall of Thrall, reminder that Garrosh didn't want to be Warchief (he knew he wasn't made for politics, he was just a warrior) but Thrall imposed the duty on him

he was learning, but when you put a Warrior in charge of an entire horde, then what do you expect? he did what he knew, conquer shit, he saw the threats everywhere, he just wanted his people to be safe

then devs went retarded and Garrosh literally went hitler, it wasn't supposed to be this way (he learning from Saurfang in Wrath, scolding his commander in Cataclysm) but we needed a big bad in the expansion

anyway, Thrall in his heart knew that everything was his fault originally, that's why he's no longer cozy with the elements and Aggra gets fucked by goblins every night

I'm glad they made Khadgar the main focus in every expansion onwards, he's pretty funny and actually gets shit done

>>383641548
Yeah because Uther would have knocked his ass flat and drug him back to Lordaeron by his hair.

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>>383641649
i want khadgar to lock me in the meme dungeon and feed me apexis crystals

>>383641334
Jaina didnt know, and the game at least tries to show it, since the villagers turn into undead after jaina leaves to warn uther
before that, arthas & co. thought the infected grain just killed villagers

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>>383641649
>Even by it's own post-Cata standards, WoW story is getting worse.

How hard is it to write this shit when you have billions of $$$, honestly?

Fucking 12 YEARS later and you fags still argue about this exact moment EVERY SINGLE TIME

I love it

>>383641502
If Uther had stuck around instead of leaving a city to the undead he would've had a better insight about the plague and the Dreadlord behind it. If Arthas had retreated with Uther Loraeron would still have been lost to the hordes of undead.

>>383641649
>reminder that Garrosh didn't want to be Warchief (he knew he wasn't made for politics, he was just a warrior)

He challenged Thrall in Mak'gora for position of Warchief before the scourge attacked Northrend.

>>383641815
It's more a case of WHY write this shit when you have billions of $$$
It's why notch went on a fucking decade's worth of vacations in a short span. Why fix what isn't broke?

>>383641908
i know metzen gets a lot of shit but the human/undead campaigns in roc are really good
tft was also good

>>383641334
>Jaina also knew what happens with the Plague.
Jaina didn't understand fully what would happen if an entire city turned into undead and started rampaging. That's why I'm saying Arthas should have just put Uther in charge and left. That would show him just how dire the situation could become.

>>383640391
>Magatha got away with murder of a horde leader and now everyone seems to not give a shit

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>Alliance fags will defend this

>>383642092
>That's why I'm saying Arthas should have just put Uther in charge and left
Arthas wasn't trying to prove himself right so he could feel smug about it retard

>>383641925
he challenged thrall to lead an invasion of northrend because thrall wanted to be more careful and send scouts to assess the situation first.

>>383642217
>>383642217
>>383642217
AWWWWW SHIT NIGGA

Best mission right there

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>>383642217
>Scourgefags will defend this

>>383641925
he was a retarded kid that just learned that his father wasn't a disgrace and wanted to show everyone how strong he was

Thrall also insulted Grom briefly, and he was being retarded "NO WE MUSNT GO TO NORTHREND YET, WE MUST WAIT"

he later learns a lot with Saurfang in Northend, he becomes a competent warrior and leader, but by no means he wanted to be warchief

>>383637202
>Racist
>At the enemy army that you're at a constant war with.

>>383642232
You're fucking retard because that's not the point. Uther didn't believe the situation was so bad that they needed to cull an entire fucking city. He needed to see with his own eyes what would happen if Mal'Ganis had his way so he would be 100% behind Arthas in future battles. Arthas should have said his drivel about purging the city and when Uther objected he should have just put Uther in charge and then left. That would wake him up.

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>dwarf campaign will never be finished
>teaser for chapter 4 is still on their site
why is the site even up any more? i figured they would have stopped paying for it by now.

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>>383642063
>decade's worth of vacations in a short span

>>383642217
>look ma i posted it again xddd

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You don't get to just kill people because your hunch tells you every single one of them is infected.
He's a prince who thought he had all the answers, and that the ends justified the means, but they don't. You're killing people based on thoughtcrimes. They haven't done anything wrong yet, and you're merely banking on the fact that they will.

>>383642441
Stratholme being allowed to fully turn would have meant it was already too late
It NEEDED to happen for Lordaeron to have any chance to live whatsoever

>>383642217
>>383642329
I don't understand

>>383634975
Everything arthas did pre-northrend was correct. Ask anyone here would you rather have your soul tormented while you body becomes a zombie or would you rather have a holy warrior priest give you a peacefull death.

>>383642453
>there's supposed to be 4 additional chapters
>they'll never complete any of them
Damn nigga this shit was the best back when it came out

>>383642583
>Stratholme being allowed to fully turn would have meant it was already too late
There is nothing backing this in the game.

>>383642530
their primary food source was full of plague, anyone who wasn't infected would be an extremely small minority.

>>383639582
Correct.

He had to save the other 12 houses that made up the rest of the kingdom.

>>383642530
>banking
except they're infected, you're not banking on it, it's guaranteed they will
and every single villager was infected

>>383642460
It's hyperbole but it's also common knowledge that he took a fucking stupid amount of "vacations" once minecraft hit it really big.

>>383642643
Hearthglenn showed how bad it could get if a small logging town got fully turned
Stratholme is Lordaeron's largest city

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>>383642139
>Cairne is fucking dead and forgotten about, left to rot on a pile of sticks in Mulgore, his death completely invalidated by the fact that Garrosh is now dead
>Baine might as well not exist, only ever getting story in books, and having his voiced sub-story in Highmountain get cut out of the game for reasons never given, to add insult to injury, he still has his voicelines and even says "There is much we can learn from the Highmountain tribe." if you talk to him in Thunder Bluff
>Magatha got away with everything that she did, being welcomed into the Shaman class hall after you go help her people out and even get her Doomstone back
>Tauren constantly and consistently get fucked in the ass by literally everything and everyone, ESPECIALLY the writers, who instead of writing story for existing Tauren characters, decide to make up new characters that will get dropped harder than the Taunka and Yaungol
Why are we here? Just to suffer?

Medivh literally told him the kingdom would fall no matter what he does so purging stratholme was fucking pointless.

>>383642530
But they were all infected, and if you didn't kill them while they were human then they'd just turn in front of everybody. If Uther had just stuck around for a bit he would've seen that, Jaina too.

>>383642680
And those people have no right to be killed, and you cannot guarantee they're well until they turn.
>>383642712
it is not. There are many possible ways any number of villagers could be uninfected. Arthas, like you, took the situation as a binary between saving everyone or killing everyone, and neither of those choices need to occur.

>>383642530
>the ends justified the means, but they don't

>>somehow a 20-something with internet access managed to completely solve a topic that learned philosophers have spent their lives debating for thousands of years

>>383642779
Lordaeron surely had big armies they could field in events of war. Hearthgleen was bad because Arthas only had a small force with him. If Stratholme fell to undeath then King Terenas would be forced to commit all his forces to combat the plague. I believe that would be enough to at least drive the Scourge back to Northrend.

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>>383642643
>second biggest city
>25k ppl
imagine 25k more undead

>>383643002
>and you cannot guarantee they're well until they turn
Which is guaranteed to happen immediately after you break down the houses. Every single one of them is infected and every single one of them turns.

>>383642920
It's fucking pathetic how quickly they completely dropped the Taunka from the story after their big joining the Horde questline. I mean fuck scatter those fuckers around at least. You literally never see one outside of Northrend

>>383643114
same with the monkeys

>>383643036
>imagine 25k more undead
25000 shambling zombies made out of peasants. A good, well trained army, backed up by the Silver Hand, would rip it to shreds.

>>383643032
I'm talking about in this instance, anon. Not as a collective.

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>>383643114
Believe it or not (Which believe it because I have a picture of it) the Taunka Chieftain was in Highmountain back when Baine and Dezco were there as well. Nice to see how much Blizzard actually cares about them if they just delete them from the zone entirely.

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>>383643301
holy fuck poor Taunkas never got reworked, he looks so sad

>>383643194
But the Silver Hand couldn't do a thing against the undead without the 25000 shambling zombies, which is why they're dead.

>>383643194
Ok so how are you going to contain them and prevent them from just roaming around and turning every fucking thing in the countryside (of which there is a shitton)
Remember they have a Nethrezim commanding them that can easily teleport them in large numbers, as well as the forces of necromancers, abominations, and undead nerubians already well active in the nation

>>383643081
Post-WoW, that isn't true. He kills everyone who gets close to him in WoW, which in its own way is just telling a more cohesive story than WC3

>>383643194
shambling zombies that are much stronger and durable than any human and can be raised infinitely as long as they aren't completely destroyed, also
>fortified undead bases
>crypt fiends
>ghouls
>abominations
>skeletal warriors, archers, and mages
>necromancers
>banshees
>siege weapons
>gargoyles
>demons

>>383634975
It was an extreme reaction to an extreme situation. Arthas knew everything was fucked. Uther had no such urgency. Arthas should've been more rational with him and Uther would have obviously seen the people begin to zombify.

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>>383643403
Probably because he knew that Blizzard was going to cut him out.

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>>383643194
>good well trained army backed up by the silver hand
>against an endless stream of zombies, the full might of the undead forces and not having previous experience in combat against it

m8...

>>383643597
Baine looks so fucking dopey

>>383642329
anyone else dissapointed in how easy this mission was
even in hard its easy to destroy all (or most) of the bases

>>383640230
Lets also not forget that Thrall literally cheated in mak'gora when he killed Garrosh using the elements and fucked off back to the maelstrom to do jack shit for another few years.

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>>383643734

>>383640605
You were supposed to cheer for Thrall before the fight started since 1/3 of that expansion was dedicated to finding and killing garrosh

Then by the end of the fight you were supposed to question Thrall's decisions and realize that he's just a hack who's more incompetent than garrosh and is only looked up to because he was a hero of the third war; so he silences Garrosh by lighting chair

Thrall is even conflicted by this at the beginning of legion and because of this the elements do no respond to him so he gives you Doomhamer, further showcasing his incompetence

>>383643739
I think the point is that it wasn't supposed to be hard, you can't expect a few human factions to defeat the undead army with the legion's help

the only way to stop the legion was if the races banded together, like what happened in the last mission of the elven campaing

>>383643692
>against an endless stream of zombies
>endless stream
We've already established there are 25000 of them. Also without Malganis' command they're just a bunch of shambling idiots -- moreso than when they were peasants, and one single Arthas had no problem dealing with them then.

>>383643459
That was because the leadership of Lordaeron was in shambles because Arthas killed the king.

>>383643498
Enlist the help of the elves. They have teleportation too.

>>383643576
Humans have their own elite units and bases too.

Really guys when Arthas purged Stratholme, he still ended up dooming Lordaeron. In my proposed scenario at the very least the Cuck King doesn't get Arthas. Worse case scenario the humans migrate to Kalimdor and events play out like they did in W3. Mal'Ganis summons Archimonde. Archimonde gets btfo on Hyjal. At the very least the Cuck King will get destroyed by Illidan since he won't have an Arthas tier champion to defend him.

>>383643951
that wouldn't be the problem, the problem is dealing with Zombies (who would be commanded by Tichondrious, btw) while also fending off the attack of the real undead army

and that without Orcs coming in and fucking everything up, the zombies would just be a meat wall for the real forces to enter and sweep in

also remember that every soldier death is another undead

>>383643824
>implying the Gallywix model doesn't foreshadow Undermine

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Does WoW have a story problem with too many main characters at once?
Maiev Malfurion and illidan say nothing about Suramar or the Nightborne
Sylvanas and Greymane never do anything after Stormheim which was technically the last zone if there was no level scaling
(Azsuna > clockwise > stormheim)
Meme-Khadgar is fucking everywhere.

Wouldve it been better to have it vanilla style where the leaders are there and in a few small quests or Wrath where they show up to events(argent tournament/ICC/Uld) and minor quests like Tirion with the Ashbringer in Howling Fjord?

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>>383643951
25000 in that city alone combined with the undead from other areas under the command of intelligent humans and demons who can reanimate them every time they die or turn them into more advanced undead types.
There are also undercover human cultists who sold out in exchange for immortality.

>>383643759
the enhancement artifact questline was fucking hilarious and retarded at the same time

>doomhammer...
>HERO, commander, the hammer fell down, come down with me
>YOU HAD ONE JOB THRALL, ONE FUCKING JOB
>I'm feeling very weak, take the doomhammer
>ok
>*cries in the distance while looking at the maelstrom*

>>383638139
>>383638139
That's a good point, but the culling of Stratholme had to happen, it was either eliminate the entire city or let Mal'Ganis use it to massively bolster his forces and whether or not Arthas would fall for Mal's baiting afterwords was entirely dependent on presences, either Ner'zhul had divined and magically helped that outcome along, or he gambles harder than Eric Burdon's dad in a house down in New Orleans.

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so now that helya is dead who the fuck is gonna keep the naga at bay?

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>>383634975
>Was it right?
Yeah, it would have been much worse to not. However, he didn't handle the leadership aspect well. Instead of explaining the situation and tyring to get through to Uther and Jaina, he just told them to fuck off.
The point where Arthas started being wrong was after he let the event go to his head, and lead him to Northrend like a lemming.

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>Removed from Highmountain
>Don't bother re-adding him to the Paladin class hall
>Add in some stupid fucking Night Elves instead

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>>383644369
>he wants to keep the snaketits away

>>383644392
he explained the situation

>everyone is infected
>we have to purge anything, I have seen what this shit does and there's no cure, it's also infectious as fuck
>but MUH HUMAN RIGHTS, YOU DONT KNOW THAT

Arthas was the only one who was doing fuck all against the plague, it's normal he was tired of Uther's shit

>>383644043
>Silver Hand can do take the armies of the undead plus 25k zombies
>can't stop one death knight, some ghouls and a few meat wagons

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>>383644486
I don't mind the surplus of snake tits but I rater not get dicked by fifty bulging snake cocks at once just going near the coast.

>>383639449
There were more than 12 houses in that fucking WC3 mission you fucking moron, and furthermore gameplay mechanics does not always equate to lore/story.

>>383644568
He explained it very little, I mean to try more than once.
He simply said "THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL INFECTED, WE MUST PURGE" without consulting anyone else before hand. Ideally he would have argued with Uther instead of kicking him out when he talked back.
But once again, the real issue was falling for the tricks put out for him moving forward.

>>383644392
I think this is the end all be all to it. Arthas did what had to be done, but he immediately snapped at Uther when he questioned murdering everyone in the 2nd largest city in the kingdom. I understand time was of the essence but he aliened two friends and allies by his lack of charisma.

Reign of Chaos is an underrated tragedy story

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>>383639449
woah...it's almost like...RTS map limitations...make it not match up with the actual lore

>>383644606
Bruh what they were supposed to do, they had already turned a large amount of the Lordaeron capital into undead
It's almost like a massive city being completely turned can put the nation at a MASSIVE disadvantage that's near impossible to fight back from

>>383644723
the problem is that Arthas knew there was no time, don't forget that he's prideful and young, and thus rash

he saw how the infected grain turned ppl in little time into zombies, Uther was hellbent on "patience" but there was really no time to discuss it, that's why he so stupididly tried to use his "royal authority"

Arthas was desperate to save his nation

he fucked up at picking up the sword, I believe if he didn't take the frostmourne he would have wiped out Mal'ganis anyway and come back somewhat sane

>>383644606
The game didn't show the massive fucking undead army surging across the countryside after Arthas killed everyone. Lordaeron was turned into an undead wasteland by that point and there was most likely no chain of command

>>383644849
when Warcraft movie was announced I seriously believed it was going to be a trilogy or a two-part movie about Arthas downfall, honestly, it might not be the greatest of the scripts but it could have been great

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>>383644665
>Implying Murlocs don't already roadblock the fuck out of you whenever you want to walk near a coast in WoW.

At least let me die with a boner.

>>383644723
Uther thought he was hot shit because of his orc wars veteran status and pulls the rank/teacher thing on Arthas several times. He wouldn't have listened to him on such an extreme thing. He's also the one who kicked Tirion out of the silver hand for not being a by the books asshole.

>>383645153
>>383644878
and it could have been prevented if Uther had just purged the city, seen what the plague does and met the dreadlord leading it. Uther failed as a teacher.
That is why Arthas was right

>>383645019
>and come back somewhat sane

Let's not forget he destroyed the boats so his troops couldn't return home to their families and he blamed it on Mercenaries he hired which resulted in their deaths.

Sane maybe, but he proved that he was willing to sacrifice anyone or anything to get what he wanted. It stopped being about Lordaeron the second he set foot on Northrend.

>>383640894
If Strath wasn't purged then the undead would've started snowballing harder than ever, Arthas was largely successful in his fighting of the undead, which is why he had to rally them again and start from scratch at the beginning of the undead campaign.

>>383645339
>It stopped being about Lordaeron the second he set foot on Northrend.
Saving Lordaeron was the only reason he went there and did the things he did. He was even willing to sacrifice his soul if it got the job done.

on something I've never really questioned, how did Uther know Arthas had left for northrend, and why didnt he go with him and had his troops recalled by telling the king

>>383645418
The humans weren't wiped out of Lordaeron until almost the end of TFT when he had to bring the combined armies of himself, Kel'thuzad, and Sylvanas.

>>383640803
Yes, Stratholme basically had the second largest human population close to Lordaeron, not to mention the fact that the tainted grain was transported already to other towns and villages. Basically the King of Lordaeron was fucked either way if Arthas did something or not since if he left Stratholme or even set a defense perimeter around it would have gone fast since of the large Scourge army that popped up with a Nathrezim behind it.

>>383645424
>Saving Lordaeron was the only reason

It was his raging hatred of Malganis that drove him there. It was bait and he took it. It started off as for his people, but he made it personal.

Also:

"Damn the men! Nothing will stop me from having my revenge old friend. Not even you."

>>383645613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iifw8CsixzQ

>>383645712
>Now, I call out to the spirits of this place. I will give anything, or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people.
he had a personal stake because he was responsible for the wellbeing of his people

>>383644723
Except Uther, a veteran of war and this boy's mentor should have realized something was off when he suggested so strongly to do something he would never think of doing. But no instead it's fuck you Arthas I'm the lightbringer I do what I want. Uther was a pompous cock nozzle who thought he controlled the light and could strip others of it like tirion, you know only of the most important paladins to exist

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How did the undead end up having the 2 biggest bro tier characters in the entire series?

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>>383645848
>Lead your people to Kalimdor he says
>For the Azeroth he says

>>383646118
Man I wish necromancer Kel'thuzzad wasn't such a fucking pussy

>>383646213
>So you're not mad about that time i killed you?

>>383639449
Top fucking laugh. Do you think that ANY city in WoW is representative of it's actual size? You're really embarassing yourself

>>383646208
Medivh was pretty shit at his job to begin with, only having known about the first invasion
I don't know why most night elves aren't super pissed off at everybody for getting their Big Tree fucked up and losing their immortality.

>>383645615
That was my point though, if Stratholme fell to the undead instead of Arthas they could have wiped out everything north of silverpine much sooner but that's neither here nor there considering that the over arching plan from RoC to TFT was to secure just enough land to safely summon Archimonde and friends, those fuckers went right for their immediate goals with out much concern for anything else.

>>383636996
>Garrosh was a nationalist

Garrosh was ethno-nationalist to the core. He took up the mantle of warchief because Thrall said the orcs wouldn't accept a non-orc. Then every other race save for the Tauren proceeded to either disobey him, threaten him, or blame him for something. All while the people of Orgrimmar (aka mostly orcs) are starving and even dying in the streets.

He then went ham, kicked everyone not an Orc or Tauren out of central Org, and eventually even they weren't loyal enough and went full Orc 14/88. The only other race he tolerated was Goblins because their loyalty could be bought with gold and resources for his doomsday projects.

It was bullshit what happened to him, but all the crap that happened later was him sperging out was on his hands. And the writer's.

I wish we would get caverns of time dungeons of alternate scenarios, not really sure what the lore explanation would be though
one where arthas doesnt purge stratholme, and first you defend against the overwhelming undead hordes,
then maybe illidan vs the demons in felwood, since arthas never turned death knight, he never would have been able to inform illidan about guldan's skull, and tichondrius would have never been defeated
then maybe Hyjal, where the orcs completely turned to fel (since jaina never helped thrall save grom) vs just the night elves

>>383642217
Fuck that mission
>Constantly being fucked by undead while defending with shit units
>Uther finally turns up with his army of Knights
>Lol Arthas you fucking suck at this, you useless shit
Maybe if Uther wasn't such a cunt all the time, Arthas would have actually been able to explain what the plague was to him

>>383642530
>because your hunch tells you every single one of them is infected.
But they were, and he knew they were because they had been munching on plague grain for probably weeks