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>Projecting: the headline

This is true though. This is why PC games sucked and were held back when the PS3 and Xbox360 were still a thing.

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>MFW My ps4pro can't do native 4K 60fps

Honestly I wish Sony would have waited a year instead of rushing out the ps4pro now all these triple A games will be 60fps on Xbox One X and 30fps on ps4pro. I'm really thinking about picking up and X just to play red dead reamption 2 in 4K 60fps

>>383616460
All this is telling me is that devs are gonna make games for PS4 than port it to Xbone, similar to how most games were made for the 360 and ported to the PS3.

So I'm guessing future multiplats will run better on PS4 (because native) despite Xbones better specs, much like how the reverse was true with the PS3 vs 360.

But Xbox is still selling like shit? Why would they?

>>383617185
Some devs are saying their prioritizing the xbox one x versions of their games

>>383616460
I always felt games like MGSV and Borderlands were held back for this reason though, to be able to play on last gen's shit hardware.

>>383617185
The PS3 didn't really have better specs than the 360, the biggest problem on the PS3 was the huge RAM bottleneck, the 360 had double the RAM the PS3 had, otherwise both consoles were equally as powerful.

>>383617085
They could release a PS5 with 1 trillion teraflops and developers would still not optmize their game for playability and would lock them to 30fps to get some extra graphical quality because that's what sells the game.

they're not wrong, look at the top played games on steam

>people will waste money on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X when they can't even do cinema 4k for games
>When the only cheap 4k tvs are garbage Asian discount brands
Fuck casuals

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>>383617438
>360 had double the RAM the ps3 had

>>383616460
>he would expect most developers to scale up only as high as the PS4 Pro
doesn't make sense unless Sony pays them to do this. It's not any harder to render at a slightly higher resolution if you have the horsepower for it.

They are right though. All multiplat games ran on the base xbox one.

>>383617660
>doesn't make sense unless Sony pays them to do this. It's not any harder to render at a slightly higher resolution if you have the horsepower for it.

THIS

>>383617639
What be ram?

>>383616460
Well Sony WOULD know since they did the Pro and there's barely any advantage over the original PS4 because the original/slim are still the biggest install base for that console so developers don't go out of their way to make them angry by delivering insultingly downgraded versions of multiplats. It's likely to be the same on the Xbox One X.

>>383616460
before
>THE POWER OF THE PS4
after
>b-but the devs will work to the lowest common denominator r-right...

Stop falling for the jewish lies

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>>383617948
MFW M$ pays devs to make the Xbox one X version of games run better then the PS4pro version

>>383617639
It is true though. Both consoles had 512mb of RAM but the PS3 RAM was split between the CPU and GPU while the 360 had all 512mb available for either which essentilally gives it double the RAM for games that uses a lot of the GPU for example, the PS3 was limited to 256mb.

Fuck Jim Ryan.

>backwards compatibility isn't important because old PS games are trash no one wants to play (btw buy a PSNow subscription so you can play them)
>XXX doesn't matter because our console's a weak piece of shit anyways that bottlenecks game development (buy our refresh though)
Why is he such a piece of shit? Why does everything he say have to shit on Playstation fans?

>>383616460
>1172GHz
What did he mean by this?

>>383618240
They're such a greedy company and I blame it mostly on Yoshida. Yoshida even laughed at the idea of an Xbox One scorpio when it was announced

>>383616460
No, he's completely right.

I mean, games are still being made for consoles arent they

>>383616460
So they just admit that the PS4Pro is a waste of money because devs are going to work for the base system in mind instead?

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>>383616460
If xbox one x flops will you still be around Pajeet?

Christ I'm looking forward to this console just so that xbox can crawl back under a rock.

>>383618189
The old Xbox division had money. MS shareholders got tired of pouring money into it though.

There's a reason why everything is windows 10 now.

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>>383619076
>If xbox one x flops will you still be around Pajeet

If the Xbox One X succeeds will you be around Shuhei Yoshida

PS4 is still selling most and it has actual first party games to look forward to. Also pro can deliver when its utilized. There are devs who dont even bother deliver Pro patches.

>>383617185
The PS3 also had that weird ass Cell shit to contend with.

>tfw PS4 confirmed for lowers common denominator console
lmao

>>383619430
>xbox one x not flopping alrdy
>the bone doesnt even sell but somehow this will

>>383620145
Shill detected

hehehe... you messed up, kid...

this is sony country, you shouldnt say things that diss sony unless you are ready to face the master of hell, me

>>383620339
I thought this was nintendoland

>>383620504
It is

>>383616460
Maybe it's a reason for Microjew to make some exclusives. I don't give a shit about how strong their console is aslong as I can get a better PC for the same price.

Only reason to own a bone is backwards compatibility, but why not get a 360 instead.

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>>383619430
I can never leave.

But you're not wrong I am partial to Sony because they support the weebshit I play. It wasn't Microsoft who helped out NihonFalcom and gave them a free engine.

Hell I struggle to think of anything good MS did this gen.

>>383620765
>I don't give a shit about how strong their console is aslong as I can get a better PC for the same price.
Ehhh, I'm there with you in that if I want pure graphical power PC is the way to go but I don't think you could build something on par with the xox price/performance ratio just yet.

>>383620504
/v/ is.PC/v/tendo Stop replying to obvious b8s and they'll go away. Maybe.

>>383617920
Heh, vidcons.

If what he says was true then why aren't the majority third party devs porting their newest games for the Switch? I thought Switch's sales are record breaking and beats the PS4s launch.

>>383616460
Then why the fuck did they make the pro then?

>>383620873
That pic you post is more relevant to SONY now than it is to M$

>>383621030
Switch barley has any AAA third party games as of yet

>>383621094
Implying SONY knows how to make good business decisions

>>383616460
I didn´t matter much that the PS4 was more powerful than the xbone, games look 99% the same

it still doesn´t matter much that the xbone is more powerful than the ps4 now as games will still look the same

you want a huge graphical difference you play that shit on a PC

>>383620891
You can. You see, I don't really care about graffix and the best performance. I only use my PC for emus and I've always been a Nintendo/Sega/Sonyfag and only care about games.

What does Xbox have that isn't better on PC?

>>383617085
The xXxBoneXxX can't do 4K either in most game, it was confirmed checkerboard.

>>383622372
By incompetent devs like Bioware

>>383622372
Yeah because devs are lazy as shit

>>383622254
I think you've misread me.

4K is a meme

>>383621105
Not really.

Sony made a gaming console first and focused on delivering games. Smart move.

MS made a $500 machine that was competing with a $50 Roku.

Sony is being a fuck but it's true.

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>>383620339

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Microsoft should have just waited for next gen. This gen has already been decided.

The PS5 will launch in 2019/2020. So the xbone x has only until then to shine before everything is reset.

I think MS knows they can't win in the console space. That's why they are switching to Xbox anywhere on windows 10.

>>383623946
>The PS5 will launch in 2019/2020
Sony as a whole company isn't doing financially well. I highly doubt we'll see a PS5 anytime soon

Almost everything Sony has done since the release of the Pro (arguably the Slim) has been damage control really. They're out ahead but they know people are starting to lose faith in them.

Xbone may have no exclusives but Sony have been actively lying to your fucking face this whole generation, and even if it has the better library, i simply cannot support their shitty business practices. This has been the hardest gen so far to justify buying a console.

>>383623410
What I was trying to imply is how SONY no longer cares about the gamers by saying they don't care about backwards compatibility and how they want users to sign up for PSnow

>>383623130
People used to say HD was a meme.

>>383624801
>people are starting to lose faith in them.
Lol no. It's only here and pure PC gaming forums where I see people hating on the PS4.

>>383621094
to scam any sonyggas for $400 for a 10% upgrade

>>383621094
the VR genius

>>383625140
>Lol no. It's only here and pure PC gaming forums where I see people hating on the PS4.

Do you remember the backlash Yoshida got from gamers when he said Sony would not be considering backwards compatibility and thought it was a waste of time and resources

>>383625140
I see people shitting on Sony everywhere anon, even my normie dealer is constantly complaining about PSN every time i see him.

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Sony needs a firm fucking hand to the back of the head as soon as possible.

>>383620504
Nah, I got banned for called out Sony ponies before

>>383622601
If devs are "too lazy" to utilize the "incredible power" of XboneX then it may as well not exist.

>>383625616
Console war faggotry in general can get you b& regardless of who you're shitting on, it all depends on what mods are on.

>>383625671
So the exact same deal with the PS4 Pro

>>383625410
You mean journos right?
>>383625410
>one person I know hates them so everyone hates them

>>383625671
You put too lazy in quotes as if it's false, devs are lazy a shit these days, 99% of titles release unfinished. I honestly don't remember the last time a game didn't have a day one patch.

>>383624896
>implying sony said something about backwards compatibilty and tried to center his market about it

Of course not,they only sell games and microsoft could have done the same and not care about backwards compatibility if the bone would sell,but alas... it didnt

>>383625771
I mean the general public. It was just an example and you know damn well it was just an example, fuck off fanboy.

>>383625856
> 99% of titles release unfinished
>FUCKING THIS
Mass Effect Andromeda proves that devs don't give a shit

>>383625514
If that happens, it won't be this gen.

>>383625936
>Implying SONY trying to make people pay for playing games they already own is a good thing

Get lost anon

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>>383616460
It's not damage control, it's true.

Literally ZERO devs will ever target PS4Pro/XBxoXXEeX specs when creating their game. Right now 90% of the console market is the normal PS4/Xbone, and even 3 years from now that number will at worst be at 60-70%
Until the end of this generation every game will have to be sold on PS4/Xbone or it'll be a commercial failure.
In this gen Xbone is the lowest common denominator, so every factor aside Devs would target it as the base to develop the majority of current gen games. However since PS4 is in the lead so much and Xbone's power is only slightly worse than PS4's, Devs target PS4 as the base system and simply cut back on resolution a bit for the Xbone version.

XBonexENXEXXXXXXScorpioCXCxXX will have no impact whatsoever in game development (neither will PS4pro) outside of improving upscaling technologies, which will come in handy next generation and probably become a core part of newer engines, even for PC ports/games (so that slower machines may run at "higher" resolutions)
>>383617085
> now all these triple A games will be 60fps on Xbox One X and 30fps on ps4pro.
Nope, XbonEXexXXX still has the same CPU bottleneck of the Xbone/PS4/PS4pro, they were engineered to be upscaling/higher rez machines and nothing else. Improved graphics and more stable framerates are only a secondary benefit. XboneXEXXXX won't double the framerates of any games (with rare exceptions, just like PS4pro does with 5% of them, but in the majority of cases it just has more stable FPS over the OG PS4)

>>383626059
I have to admitt that it isn't entirely the devs fault though, a lot of it is publisher meddling and deadlines, but devs are cutting corners to save themselves work because they know they can get away with it.

>>383618238
That's still not double, you idiot.

>>383624896
But Xbone has no backwards compatibility either? What are you talking about? The shit that is emulated backwards compatibility? That thing that barely works and you need to wait for MS to work on each old game individually so that it may work on the Xbone? Which will never happen with the majority of niche titles since only the popular ones will be chosen for the most part?
That ain't backwards compatibility, at all. It's a sad attempt of a PR move at best. MS never, EVER did real backwards compatibility, the 360 also had emulated BC for Xbox games. PS4 is actually Sony's first console without BC, PS2 had real BC with PS1 games, and PS3 (the original model) has real BC with PS2 and PS1

>>383626265
no, given that they already released the pro, it's damage control

>>383626581
>essentially

>>383626628
I don't understand what do you shills get for posting here

>>383626628
>That thing that barely works
Works fine, there's only a few games that have poor performance, everything else is playable, even Blighttown.

>>383616843

This is why iterative consoles are a good thing. It wasn't fun being on 2007 graphics 8 years later. It's also good that nvidia and amd can't keep us on marginal gains either

>>383626249
>implying you need to pay for those when a emulator is alrdy available
Just dont buy it and that's it, is not even sony main point to sell on backwards comp anyway.

>>383626631
They are not mutually exclusive.
It's still 100% factual. I'm also not sure what you'd expect to come out of a Sony employee's mouth.. good things about their competitor?

>>383616843
No. This is because of dev cost.

>>383626898
>They are not mutually exclusive.
it kind of is...

That aint lying though remember when that ps2 was dominating so everything had to look liker shit everywhere

>>383625948
Not even a fanboy but I read a lot of gaming related media not just on /v/. It's really only here where you see an intense hate for Sony. Even Nintendo/xbox specific websites/forums delete console war shitposting.

And you know what, I hate how there's no backwards compatibiltiy but we knew that even before the PS4 was released but this "fuck sony no backwards compatibility" shit was recently created when msoft suddenly released one for their console and now xbros have a bullet to use against sony talk.

>>383626774
Nothing I said is false. True BC is having actual hardware that is natively compatible with previous gen's games.
Emulating """BC""" and needing to reprogram and change each game to run on Xbone is not BC at all.

>>383626782
The fact that even 1 game runs worse on the newer console than it does on the older one just goes to show this is not a good form of BC. Also thanks for proving my point that, for the most part, only popular games get the ""BC""" treatment. of course they would bother with DarkSouls. However 90% of 360's library isn't playable on Xbone. It's not real BC. I can't just pop in any 360 disk and play that game.

>>383627094
How so?
To be clear, the point is: "Developers target the lowest common denominator"
So why can't that be a true statement while at the same time being a PR move from the person who said it (or damage control, whatever you want to call it)? One doesn't invalidate the other.

>>383627242
The og xbox version of games had extra features and slight graphics enhancements

>>383627403
>One doesn't invalidate the other.
okay, but it's damage control

>>383627638
Thanks for conceding. We agree to agree that they aren't mutially exclusive.

>>383616460
Over ten years later and people are STILL going on about da powuh of da cell

>>383625856
Why should developers spend lots of time optimizing for a system that literally no one owns yet? When the Xbox One X launches there will already be 70 million PS4s on the market and 30-35 million Xbox Ones. Why focus so much on a system that will be lucky to have an install base of 8 million by the end of 2018?

>no cross-platform makes many worried about future titles, like Monster Hunter World
>"We must protect our players" mentality, sounding like 90s Nintendo
>"We held back at E3" damage control when it was basically a repeat of 2016 E3
>"Why include backwards compatability? No one wants to play their old games" constantly shitting out remasters and ports
They got to big to fast and now they're fucking up royally.

>>383628018
Because that's poor craftsmanship, there's such thing as having pride in your work, you know? They'll do it anyway though, they've been doing it all this gen already.

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>>383616460
sony has japanese developer support, so that market will buy them
microsoft advertises the fuck out of xbox in the west, and all the kids get bought one by the parents
hell if only for minecraft. Its dead in japan obviously, but both have stable markets
The best thing about this is that microsoft is showing that exclusives don't really matter for console hardware sales, as they're putting titles on the windows store.
This shows sony that they can also do the same with steam or their own storefront should they make one, and target the PC market as well.
We all finally get games and the console war thread starters commit sudoku

>>383625856
unfinished AND unoptimized

just to hit a deadline that was already pushed back 13 times because
>hurrr muh graffux