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Name 1, ONE, thing wrong with Mr. House's plans for New

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Name 1, ONE, thing wrong with Mr. House's plans for New Vegas.

NCR and Legion can eat poo
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How easy it is to kill him.

I'm a housefag myself but it's always irked me that you just walk 3 feet and use a computer
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What happens when his gross wrinkly body eventually shuts down?
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>>383536636
No plans for settlement expansion.
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>>383536636
Reminder that independent ending is for self righteous people
My first playthru I was all for the NCR, but by my 4th I'm seeing the light of mr house
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You don't control me bitch

I'm the courier, I make bad decisions intentionally to fuck over those that want to help me
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He's not yes man.
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I just realized that I've probably been through this same argument 100+ times by this point in my life. And that's just the Mr. House side of things. This fictional character has commanded more of my time and attention then every real life political figure I've ever looked at and every election or primary I've voted in. I'm decently politically aware and could give you the rough outline of my senator's voting record, but that pales in comparison to the countless hours I've spent discussing this motherfucker right here.

I think I'll sit this one out guys. You should probably do the same.
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My plan's better
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He's not wrong on most cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87US9AXNMME
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>>383536636
Although I will admit that House has the best plan for Vegas, what happens once he's dead? It's not explained. He has the same problem Caesar has: he has this grandiose plan for the Mojave, but it will die with him.
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I don't want some shriveled old guy telling my toon what to do
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>>383537358
That may be true, but he's probably going to last a lot longer than Caesar or the Courier
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I'm not going to be an errand boy for this Walt Disney motherfucker
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>>383537562
what else are you really going to do with your time?

>>383537413
>toon
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>>383536636
I wasn't the one in charge :)))
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>>383536636
His end goal is to eventually send out colony ships to who the fuck knows where in a galaxy where Bethesda has made aliens a real thing
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>>383538096
make my own city-state, duh
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capitalism
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>>383536814
This, his security leaves to be desired.
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>>383539552
what alternative system would you want implemented in new vegas?
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>be big MT
>throw EMP weapons on the strip
>0 security left
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>>383536636
He hired a retard to deliver his poker chip. This is where House fucked up.
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>>383536814
>>383539563
That's only because he lets the Courier through 3/4ths of his security.

Just imagine your the legion getting in.
First you've got to get past the outer walls of Vegas. Get through all the NCR, the 3 families (assuming any loyalty), and securitrons. You have to blast your way through two sets of doors to get into the Lucky 38, with more securitrons inside. The elevator is won't work, there are no stairs, so you have climb up through the elevator shaft. All the way to the top floor. Securitrons on the upper levels could open the doors and rain down grenades and laser fire. Once they reach the top floor they have to deal with more securitrons. After that they need to be able to figure out how to get past the two computers, or blast through the walls and doors to get the elevator shaft to the reactor. After climbing down that shaft, then you can take out House.
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>>383540527
>need to be able to figure out how to get past the two computers
But why? He didn't even put a password on them
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>>383540527
Haha, you are a wished. Himself woulde even let you are a have past he is a robots, especially after upgrading them the on bunker. To what exceedingly creates my intelligent is why are himself even bother the inviting courier to he is a casino the on first house, talked around badly planning
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>>383541829
Is this google translate?
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>>383541829
>Haha, you wish. He wouldn't even let you past his robots, especially after upgrading them at the bunker. What really confuses me is why he even bothered inviting the courier to his casino in the first place, talk about bad planning.
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How about this handsome?
Whats his story?
Was he, perhaps, a brotherhood deserter?
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>>383541829
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I find it a bit weird that House's main motivation for the Securitron army is that he knows the NCR will turn around and capitulate Vegas once the threat of the Legion is gone and he doesn't have any leverage...

But once you have that leverage violent withdrawal from the NCR is the only option. I would have found it more fascinating if you and he could have tried to work the NCR under your own control as a wealthy new member state. Literally just down the street you make good chums with a powerful Brahmin baron, you telling me the Courier couldn't become Tandi 2.0 working alongside House? Would be a much better use of resources.

Of course it's actually in House's character to be wasteful and dismissive of potentially useful resources and mess everything up on misplaced desires for grandeur. Just look at the platinum chip shit.
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>>383536823
GET HIM A BODYBAG
YEAH
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>>383542870
The withdrawal doesn't have to be violent, just involve the threat of violence. You can talk Oliver into peacefully retreating.

The reason that House would never work within the NCR is because he knows that the federal government would never allow him the control over Vegas that he needs to enact his plan. Talking to the higher-ups in the NCR military or even casual citizens like Cass show that many people don't like how Vegas hoovers (pun intended) up money from the Republic. Best case scenario would be that Kimball taxes the shit out of House and cripples his finances and ability to fund space travel like he wants to do. Worst case scenario is that that warhawk Moore gets someone else to kill him behind the scenes after you refuse to.
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>>383536636

That he'd taste so good.
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>>383543454
Except all that stuff about not having enough autonomy and being undermined politcally by Kimball was predicated on a scenario where House doesn't have the upgraded Securitron army.

Once he does surely that changes everything?
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My probably incorrect understanding of why house is "bad" is because he's fighting to preserve and restore a world which of course ended in nuclear war, that and he's only really after his own self interests

Honestly that's pretty flimsy, I typically go for house.

I'm playing fallout 4 for the first time and have gotten to the point where I have to choose between BoS and Institute, not sure which to do.
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>>383540527

Or if you are the boomers just bomb his ass, boom done

Or are new vegas's air defenses still active
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>>383542870
>I would have found it more fascinating if you and he could have tried to work the NCR under your own control as a wealthy new member state.
The NCR already hated his guts for not handing out Vegas in a silver platter and were trying for years to reach a better deal with him. Even when the current Ambassador was a-okay of leaving Vegas to House the military branch were trying to find ways to assassinate him.

If Vegas became a state you can bet you're sweet ass NCR will use all their power to try to bankrupt House and shut him down every chance they got.
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>>383545140
God I hated the boomers. Worst faction in NV.
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He's too perfect. As his number one man you can enjoy the best life possible while knowing he will make Vegas the best.
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>>383544953
While House is also my favorite his problem is that just like the NCR if something doesn't interest him or he doesn't see anyway he could directly profit he has no problem with just crushing it. A big reason why Freeside and all of Outer Vegas is a shithole is because he chased down anyone who didn't lick his boots.

The problem is that the game did a poor job of showing House more as "brutal managerial" since apart from the BoS he doesn't give a shit of what the courrier does. If they ever decide to remake the game he should be more bossy and have very strict plans of what he wants you to do since it fits more with his obsessive chessmaster role of the game.
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>>383537413
>toon
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>>383544383
Can you eat House?

Jesus Christ how horrifying
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>>383536636
The Mohave is fine the way it is. It's like the wild west. I don't want to go back to boring normal society with laws and taxes and shit.
Real convenient for Mr house who gets to be an Immortal all seeing machine god with not a care in the world, but everyone else gets to be his peons. House has had his time it's time for him to finally die the rich bastard.
Ncr and legion should fuck off as well.
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>>383545891
Yeah and its part of a challenge too.
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>was planning to play NV every day until my internet comes back
>couple days in, computer has a hiccup, had to restart computer
>NV gives me a steam error when I try to launch it
>that was now a month ago
>internet not expected back on for another month
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>>383540162

>0 security left
>Zero security left

HEH HEH HEH HEH.
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>new vegas has no atmosphere

where did this meme come from /nv/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE0tT1KNnSU
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>>383548605
Isn't that from the original fallout?
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>>383544674
If he's just the head of a corporation within the NCR (as the cut "House joins NCR" letter shows would have been the case), then Kimball will obviously point out that business owners don't get to own fully functional robot armies and order him to dismantle them or face retribution. Being an independent city-state is his best option.
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>>383548605
I always turn off the music in every fallout. When I have it on I feel like it's just random repetitive ambient noises.
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>>383545416
t. savage
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>>383548981
He wouldn't just be the head of a corporation, he'd essentially be a governor. This kind of stuff would be ratified in an initial treaty.
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>>383549093
No, he explicitly states in the cut agreement that he will be the CEO of the casino enterprise. He even promises to stop using his Securitrons as a police force.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Offer_to_permit_annexation
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>>383549414
Well that shuts me up.
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>>383549604
No problem, I can see why you would think he would end up as the governor, but House knows the NCR far too well to believe that he'd get away with a position like that.
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>>383537296
If you like winning go with anon's plan.
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>>383537314
>since hospitals went the way of the Dodo
it's a small detail but it genuinely bugs me that there wasn't an option to ask him what the fuck a Dodo is or was
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>>383536636
Simple. The Courier's luck can equal his, and the Courier's intelligence can exceed his. If the Courier does both, then he/she should be in charge of this operation.
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>>383548861
Speaking if the original Fallout, and House by extension, posting best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZZKzJTGI9E
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>>383542420
you know ncr also has power armor? They don't tell you much on his story or the caesar version of him.
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>>383536636

The bit where he does the thing to all the other things to make the thing better instead of just using the thing with the other thing to improve all the other things.
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>>383540527
Caesar could just shoot the giant needle with his howitzers from 5 miles away
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>>383542420
Not really much on him. The wiki only states he was the commander of the NCR camp on the long 15, and the fact he can operate a suit of power armour speaks volumes about his status.

That's all It has to say about him.
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>>383552545
they didn't really need to really. I mean I am pretty sure they added him for fun in Lonesome Road. He's pretty difficult to beat and Lonesome Road sympathizes with players who have gone really far into the game.
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>>383545416
Why is it people hate them? Honestly I think the retarded thing was pearl hoping someone would show up yet kept having everyone who stepped in blown up.
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>>383552804
Because there's no grey with them. You have no choice between licking their boots or exterminating them. You're supposed to side with these chucklefucks calling you savage and just go along with it like a total beta. They're portrayed by the game as being in the right despite being just a bunch of hicks with explosives.
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>>383552804
they were retarded. Every fucking person in the faction felt like the same boring as person. And they are pretty much the brotherhood of steel of the Mojave but instead they hoard explosives.
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>>383552804
You do a LOT of walking for them.
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>>383551716
>Mr Houses Int is 5
I thought he was supposed to be a genius.
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>>383553076
kek maybe he really his just a brain in a jar.
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>>383548605
IDK man, I've just been wandering around the starting areas to test some mods and damn it's comfy as fuck
I guess maybe it's just that's not what people wanted for their bleak post-worldwide nuclear holocaust game though
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>>383540527
All I need is one pulse gun to bring his casino to its knees.
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Tell me about Joshua Graham. Why does he wear the mask?
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>>383541296
This was actually left out of the final version. The password to get in to his secure room was supposed to be found in the Robco facility outside Vegas.
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>>383554160
because of the horrific burns over his body that refuse to fully heal
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>>383536636
Don't care what anyone says, he was the best hope for Vegas. Vegas under the courier was basically at the whim of a douchebag who betrays everyone he works for. Most likely your character was a retard (based on stats), too, and had no idea how to run a city in the long term. It really makes no sense that the player would choose to support himself/herself over the superior option - someone who clearly had vision and a plan for the future that would have put humanity at its high point.
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>>383540527
House is in the basement, not the tower
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>>383554494
He's a big Mormon.
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Well shit, now I want to play New Vegas again.

Off to spent four hours getting TTW to work properly.
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I can't.

He's Odo, I'll do whatever Odo tells me to do.
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I killed him for the good guys the NCR I don't give a shit about his plan
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>>383556330
lol, NCR is far from "the good guys". Listen to the simple folk of Vegas shit all over them sometime. Some of them might have good intentions, but those aren't the people making the decisions. They are just a corrupt bureaucracy nearing the end of its lifespan.
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>>383556559
>nearing the end of its lifespan.
That's where you're wrong.
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>>383555024
for jew
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>>383536636
>Currently installing nv
>Looking around for any good mods to recreate stalker
>No mods to do so anywhere
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>>383556821
Nah.
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Use three words to describe your favorite companion
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>>383557049
sexy drunk slut
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>>383557027
Once the Hoover Dam is theirs they will consolidate power over the region. They have no goal of further expansion, the War and taking the Mohave is already super unpopular.

But having the dam w/o worrying about The Legion will be a game changer for them, enter the Epoch of NCR.
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Does someone have the picture of the guy getting angry at you for punching the monument with all the names on it?
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>>383556949
I guess the Stalker Weapon packs, Armour packs, Inspired monster mods, ENB's, and animation replacers just faded from existence.
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>>383557484
Except without the couriers involvement, the Legion would have broke the NCR in the battle.
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>>383556949
The game doesn't need mods to be good, unlike most of Bethesdashit.
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>>383536636
Deciding to let his city be run by Tribals turned Mafia, and letting them run wild, rather than taking a more hands on approach in leadership.
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>>383536636
He want to colonize space when he doesn't have enough resources to provide for the people of freeside. he is living in his own head, and has no real grasp about what is going on in the real world. he thinks he can just throw robots at everything to make it better.
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>>383536636
Because I'm an edgy motherfucker who doesn't want things to get better.

I want the wasteland to remain wild and untamed, people scrabbling over scraps and getting up to all sorts of depraved degeneracy. I fight to keep the wasteland this way and destroy anyone who tries to change it. Caesar, House, Kimball. They all got a .45 to the head from yours truly.
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>>383559146
They weren't Tribals, they were civilized, like you. Imagine the government letting you run wild and do whatever you damn well please within the limits of the law... weird, huh?

>>383559302
His plan was to go to space after a number of years, I forget the amount, but it wasn't an immediate thing. Once he took power and became God Emperor, he would have revitalized the surviving population and taken them to heights that hadn't been seen for hundreds of years.

>>383559905
>le anarchy courier
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>>383561024
>le status quo civilised pussy

Humanity had its chance at civilisation, it fucked it up. Now lets see how anarchy plays out.
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>>383561343
Anarchy played out a dozen times in the wasteland since Fallout 1, and the only one that even remotely survived it was Shady Sands/NCR.
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>>383536636
There isn't, NCR Faggots are lying to themselves, and Yes Man/Legion fags are just underage edgelords
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>>383548034
just launch the exe from the game files.
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>>383562040
Where is Jeb

This is impotant
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>>383562040
Spot on.

>>383562249
This is importante *
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>>383562249
freeside thugs
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>>383537314

>emotionally unstable techno-fetishist

Huh..
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>>383562040
>>383562040

Hillary is clearly Tabitha.
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>>383562643
Nope. Unlike Hillary, Tabitha is actually the leader of her nation.
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>>383562643
>NCR
>Large force, clearly the status quo
>Invade other countries and pretend to "Keep Peace" while they steal resources
>Corrupt
>Thinks they're the good guys
>Given all the public support
>Propped up to be bigger than they are, while at the same time, they are stretching themselves thing

I thought this thru
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>>383559905
I'm with this anon. At least in the uncivilized wild wasteland there's no rich fucks screwing everyone else over and abusing nature. If House's plans go through that's all it would devolve to. I'd rather live truly free than have some bogus "progress" any day.
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>>383551353
"wtf is a hospital?"
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>>383558949
I'm obviously talking about a pro-NCR ending scenario.
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>>383537314
This is probably one of the reasons Fallout 3 fans didn't like New Vegas. The game presents the BoS how they were in the past games: a bunch of insular assholes that don't give a fuck about anything but their own interests. They only stepped up to fight super mutants because the entire world was at risk and even still they let the Vault Dweller do the brunt of their work. They found the BoS in New Vegas and were expecting them to be the "Steel Be With You" white knights and found themselves being talked down to by a bunch of assholes in power armor staring you down with the heaviest weaponry in-game. Don't get me wrong I like the BoS but they're by no means the good guys people think they are. It's almost like Fallout is a setting that's supposed to be full of moral ambiguity.
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>>383536636
1> I didn't come up with them as the Player Character.
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>>383557049
cheery beeping robot
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>>383562868

>Using their lack of intelligence, Tabitha rallied all of the second-generation mutants against Marcus.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Tabitha
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>>383562980
Hospitals were a thing in Fallout 2. You fail to realize how civilized the NCR is. They have paved roads, trains, tanks, and vertibirds.
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I always pick a House or Legion ending because of my need for father figures.
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>>383562968
>He's a commie
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>>383557049
wants his beret
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>>383553076
>SPECIAL
>meaning anything
He also has 5 AGI
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>>383557049
immortal Danny Trejo
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>>383561542
Because robots who can murder anyone who can't afford to pay taxes once House decides to expand Vegas into Freeside is a great thing! The NCR at least have human morals and ideals. Never trust a fucking bot.
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>>383563116
I am talking about factions tho. If we're talking meme individuals, tabitha represents tumblr/sjw spectrum pretty well
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>>383557049

Long Dick Johnson
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>>383563278
>Because robots who can murder anyone who can't afford to pay taxes once House decides to expand Vegas into Freeside is a great thing!
I never met a house hater who knew what the fuck he was talking about, you're not different
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>>383559064
This is a very unpopular opinion, but one I agree with fully.

I play most Beth games without mods, Including Morrowind, and NV is fine.
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>>383563316
Cass is such a disgusting hussy. I wouldn't put my Johnson anywhere near her festering hole.
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>>383563278
>The NCR at least have human morals and ideals.
And the inherent flaws that come with that. AKA why you are in a wasteland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VtBeXqLBFs
He's focused and driven, he doesn't have the same moralfaggotry blinding him that the NCR does.
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Childhood is taking Yes Man's path because "lol take over new vegas for myself"
Adolescence is realizing that actually leading a powerful, prosperous region to further glory is difficult, and giving the reigns over to someone with a plan, even if they're a fast talking basement dwelling megalomaniac.
Adulthood comes when you come to realize that Vegas is better off in the hands of an actual established institution of society than they are in the hands of an autocrat of any color; even if that means aiding the cripplingly bureaucratic NCR, or the vicious, oft-inhumane grip of the legion.
True wisdom comes when you realize that the correct answer was Independence all along, not because you get to take power, but because no one does. Only under the revolutionary banner of anarchy can the people of New Vegas truly create a just, evolved society. even if there are growing pains.
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>>383537314
Anon, I can't get over that image you posted. I really like it.
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>>383548605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRefjYYgtgw
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>>383563632
I'll be honest and say I found it from another anon.

i think it's just Howard Hughes.
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>>383541829
>American English
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>>383557049
best melee girl
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>>383557049
THE DAD SQUAD
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>>383562040
> legion
> bernie

am i missing something here or...?
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>>383563153
It's not communism. I don't want any authority at all in the wasteland. Only small towns and tribes would be good.
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>>383563141
Isin't there a mod that makes him look like his portrait in-game?
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>>383562040
>powder gangers is Jeb!
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>>383563770
>has an army of morally-bankrupt heathens that want gibsmedats
>leader is just espousing what they want to hear
Sounds about right,
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>>383563719
Filtering him makes a pretty good meme.
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>>383563770
>A tribe of fanatics dedicated to a man rather than a belief or a cause
>The said man is a self entitled, know it all old jackass
>mish mash of 76 (SJW) tribes under one banner
>Extremely edgy
>Hate capitalism and america in general
>No long term plan for the future
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>>383563632
It's been my favorite reaction image for years.
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>>383563945
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I'm playing through the DLC for the first time right now and wow, Dead Money isn't very good is it?
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>>383563596
The right thing to do was just wipe out the Mojave with Father Elijah
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>>383536636
Why house and not me? I already know his plan
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>>383563827
That's a nice pipe dream you got there
Altho I admit, the minutemen in 4 would have been a good faction in the real world scenario aka the one without supermutants, ghouls, power armor and all that

>>383564068
t.noob
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>>383564068
You're going to cause a shitstorm for saying that but you're right. I got it the day it came out and I've always disliked it. The atmosphere is the only thing that really gets praised, and Eliajah. I couldn't care less about the bald bitch and the shitty trap mechanics were annoying. The reward at the end is practically useless to anyone at end-game too.
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>>383562040
Stand aside, plebius maximus
>House-Hillary: Wears their hunger for power on their sleeve. Follows the beat of their own drum, despite the objections of those in their shadow. Not nearly as invulnerable as they think.
>NCR-Bernie: Lots of baggage left over from the dead country they model themselves after. Great at making an impression, awful at sustained campaigns. Their ideals might garner agreement, but it sure sucks ass at motivating their people.
>Legion-Trump: Promises great results at high costs. Does not give a fuck about who they trample in their path. Relies heavily on their cult of personality.
>yes man-Gary "legal weed" johnson
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>>383562040
>Legion = Bernie
literally what
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>>383564064
Last one
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>>383564195
The athmeosphere is aight, but the town is super repetitive and the poison cloud is more frustrating then anything
I just got into the casino though
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>>383537314
>>383563719
this whole time I thought it was steve carrell in that image
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>>383563014
You can't count anything the courier does, because the player can influence any faction to win. What you need to do is go off what the game tells you is happening, and what's happening is that the NCR is getting their shit pushed in by the Legion, despite the fact that they won the first battle.
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>>383564206
>Follows the beat of their own drum, despite the objections of those in their shadow.
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>>383564206
House is a self made businessman, completely the opposite of hillary

Opinion discarded
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>>383564359
House's plans actually work, though.
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>>383563943
>literally utilitarian army that uses slaves for labor and punishes you for breathing in the wrong direction
if anything bernie is the complete opposite
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>>383564206
In this scenario, you're saying Hillary is smart, which she absolutely is not. Opinion discard, faggot.
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>>383564403
so do trump's

your point is?
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>>383564153
I don't know if it's that much of a pipe dream if there's a certain courier who would just use his robot army to destroy all the massive forces planing on trying to establish law and order in the Mohave.
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>>383564348
>>383564359
He's right though.

It's just that the beat of her drum, happens to be the poisoned ego of a corrupt, narcissistic, self-entitled bitch, throbbing in audible warning to everyone who gets near her.

If anything, Bernie is legion though. Followers that just fucking burn everything to the ground regardless of cost or long-term consequences.
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>>383558949
I always see this espoused but never see support for it. The reason each major faction sends you scrambling over the map to deal with the minor factions is because they know it's up in the air and they'll need every advantage to tip the battle in their favor.
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>>383564505
Waiting for it all to happen boy-o
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>>383564546
>Be me
>Infiltrate lucky 38
>Yes man has to obey me, he's literally programmed to obey anyone
>Order the robots to kill the courier
>I am the new overlord of mojave
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>>383564435
>utilitarian army
That won't use guns and is only effective if they gang up on their opponent.
>uses slaves for labor and punishes you for breathing in the wrong direction
In every failed socialist state the people who aren't the party's supporters end up being punished for wrong-think, and their businesses are stolen and workers forced into coercion in a vain attempt to stay afloat.
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>>383564359
>House is a self made businessman, completely the opposite of hillary
So he's also the opposite of Trump.
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>>383564692
at the end of the yes man ending, yes man gets upgrades in order to make it so he only listens to the courier
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>people are comparing the leaders of the game with the 2016 nominees
Stop, they're not alike at all
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>>383564505
like the health care plan he admitted he didn't realize would be so difficult and which has been a 7 month long botch job despite controlling the entire federal government lmao
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>>383564627
Except for the first battle of Hoover Dam, the NCR has lost most engagements afterwards, and even set an entire faction against them because of one great fuck up (the Khans and Bittersprings). Many of the NCR camps have been taken by the Legion, the NCR is infiltrated on many levels by the Legion, and the only way the NCR survives the final battle is through your efforts to kill Lanius. The NCR will have to fight on three fronts, one against the Khans, along with the Fiends, one against the Brotherhood, who no doubt will see the battle at the dam as an opportunity to retake Helios 1, and the Legion, who is united despite having incurred a significant loss in the first battle. On the other hand, you have a demoralized NCR, which is proven through many quests (one being that major camp, that I forget the name of, and that radio operator creating false reports, because he thinks the Legion will win, which they will). On top of all this, you have House practically gutting the NCR at every turn. It's pretty evident they are on a downward spiral and the second battle would no doubt be the end of the NCR.
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>>383564984
>>383564970
>>383564907
>>383564884

We shouldn't be comparing shit real life leaders to ones that can make valid points in game.
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>>383563980
Bernie was the only one whose supporters wete dedicated to a cause.
He was the only major candidate who actually campaigned on issues.
Not just "I'M A WOMAN", "I'M THE BEST" or "I'M NOT MY BROTHER".
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>>383541829
Holy fuck I laughed
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>>383565186
http://www.trumpversushimself.com/

Citation needed.
I don't like either side.

Get out with the political garbage and form a proper argument with sources and a proper rebuttal aside from shitposting images.

Contribute to the Fallout thread or fuck off back to /pol/
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>>383565415
>I don't like either side.
>posting that URL
Uh huh, sure buddy. How about if you care about on-topic thread quality you just don't respond?
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>>383565186
>>383565415
If you want to discuss identity politics go to /fog/. Fallout 4's factions are more in line with it (this is not a bad thing, just a product of the times the game was made). NV's politics are broader stroked and a bit dated to be compared to modern "politics"
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>>383565795
Nah, I described it pretty well. Factions in F4 are generic garbage, and the only thing that was introduced with the "changing times" was the railroad aka tumblr
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>>383565852
And Maxson's BoS, aka Trump's Republicans.
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>>383566031
>Fallout 4 BoS
>good guys
LMAO @ this guy
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>>383566095
That's what they were aiming. Bethesda isn't very good at making in depth factions, it's clear that they were the ones you were supposed to side with

And what is your alternative? Tumblr? Minutemen aka a nigger who makes you his "general" and makes you do everything yourself? The institute is the only other good option
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>>383542420
The whole nuking thing was such a retarded idea. Nuking an area this close would have destroyed the mojave outpost and made the entire area a fucking charnobyl. None of that is shown, no impact, it just opens up a new dungeon where you get a new swanky suit of power armor

I wouldn't mind it so much if it actually showed you moving quite a distance away, like with the legion, to see the impact you made far away.

Good thing you can just mod this guy into the divide or something, so you still get his gear
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>>383541829
egghead
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>>383537314
I love how straightforward he is with you, he doesn't sugar coat the shit he's telling you in order to convince you. Like he said, it's an employer employee relationship, he gives you an order and why he deems it so and you do it for payment. His perspective on the BoS isn't unwarranted either.
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>>383547321
t. independent Courier
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>>383563316
>muh Chris Avellone writing
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>>383567341
Chris Avellone based that joke on his dads's college nickname though. You can't fault him for that.
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>>383566227
Oh, you're baiting. Never mind.
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>>383536636
Mostly that you're basically making a sheltered, semi-immortal being emperor, who despite his smooth facade has childishly violent streaks against anyone who might've argued against him or indirectly opposed him without purpose. And who's to say what the state of his mind will be after another half century or so in his little pod and he goes completely nuts?
Also his security sucks.
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>>383567491
No, you just don't have an argument, friend. That's okay, I never met a trump hater who knew what he was talking about, anyways
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>Mfw playing Dead Money for the first time
>Wake up with all your shit gone
>You have a ticking bomb on your neck
>Run into new enemies for the first time, shoot the nigga and he gets back up
>Fucking poisonous atmosphere
>All your allies are nutjobs
>Have to scrounge from everything you can get your hands on
>Loot a police station so you have some actual gear to defend yourself with

God damn, what a great campaign.
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>>383536636
He's an AnCap faggot.
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>>383567631
Best DLC I ever played, shame I won't ever get to play it again for the first time

Atmosphere reminded me a lot of the passing map from L4D2, which I also loved
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>>383567618
BoS in Fallout 4 are nothing like the Fallout 3 Brotherhood. In 3 they are shining white knights who protect the wasteland from monsters, but in 4 they're an invading army led by a narcissistic sociopath. In 4 they're a lot closer to the original BoS, but they're far from the "default good guys" like you seem to think. That's the Minutemen.

>>383567786
Dead Money was the best new survival horror experience when it came out, and stayed on top for a good few years.
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>>383541829
>Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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>>383567545
>sheltered
He's not sheltered mentally, I can tell you that much. He's hardly the emperor type either, he's not constantly expanding his reach outward into other territories, he's perfectly fine with minding to his own in New Vegas. The only problem is the NCR and The Legion want to take it from him even though he practically built it up himself along with help. You don't see him commanding every Strip owner around as if they're his pawns, he seems to not care at all. The whole point of New Vegas to him is to bring in money to fuel his goals.

>childishly violent streaks against anyone who might've argued against him or indirectly opposed him without purpose.

The BoS is a apparent threat to his primacy and everything he is goes against their beliefs. Has every right to be afraid of them. NCR wants to take everything from him, also warranted. The Legion are going to tear him out of his seat the first chance they get, also warranted. The Followers practically tried to hack into his network for medical information and you don't see him cracking down on them when he most definitely knew that they attempted it.

He's not perfect, he's extremely harsh in his methods but the wasteland is also a harsh environment that if you try and go against in you're likely to get eaten alive. House isn't exactly in a "open arms" position.
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>>383567618
Have you played Fallout 1 or 2? The Brotherhood of Steel were literally madmen that hoarded technology at gunpoint and would perform purges on anyone they didn't like.

Fallout NV and 4 actually act like the Brotherhood, Fallout 3's Brotherhood were a bunch of speshul snowflake dindu nuffins.
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>>383567765
>House
>Ancap

>>383567874
They are still the goody two shoes, except, liek you said, they are led by a blood night. I wouldn't call him a narcissistic sociopath, he's right on all teh issues. You're retarded if you think that muties/synths should be allowed in public. BOS in 4 are templar knights on a crusade, nothing more, just as they were in F3, except that in 3, they were led by a bleeding heart elder who wanted to defend everyone from the supermutants instead
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>>383536636
>NCR and Legion can eat poo
ah yes, I see your point.

good argument
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>>383567545
>who despite his smooth facade has childishly violent streaks against anyone who might've argued against him or indirectly opposed him without purpose

Weren't the NCR and Legion trying to take over Hoover Dam which basically powered New Vegas? I'd say he had a purpose in that.
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>>383559064
>>383563436
I'd also agree, but imo, I thought the controls for FO4 were pretty decent, and on par with modern shooters.

I know FNV is an RPG first and foremost, but I found a few mods, like Project Nevada, that push it up a few more notches so I can really get into it. That being said, 150 hours on a first playthrough is working out so far.
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>>383568046
That doesn't change the fact that they are still the "Good guys", just as the institute is considered the "bad guys". Like I said, this is as far as bethesda's writing can get, very little middle ground or 3 dimensional factions like nv/old fallouts had

And if you want to be more technical, BOS in 4 are a lot like BOS in tactics: Crusader knights who actively employ new recruits and want to take over the region. You must not have played that one, I suppose you were too young
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>Mfw replaying Fallout 4 because might as well, I bought it and might as well get my money's worth
>Institute are retards
>Railroad are retards
>Minutemen have no ambition or even a proper hierarchy or structure of organisation
>The Brotherhood are the only ones that aren't complete retards, and that alone is already up for debate
>Already sided with the Brotherhood once, don't know who to side with now
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>>383557049
fully modeled vagina
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>not being house's bitchboy and getting your own manor when he builds the first moon city
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>>383568240
I never actually played the spin-offs, are any of them good?
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>>383567992
>>383568124
I was more referring to him wiping out the Kings to the last man because they dared to form a truce with the NCR although blowing up the BoS is a bit excessive. Also minor stuff like giving Primm extra "taxes" if they accept protection from the NCR or throwing a childish tantrum against the Courier.
Not saying Mr. House isn't a perfectly viable option, but it's boring to view him as a Gary Stu who can do no wrong.
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>>383564562
>Cesar is communist

full retarded.
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>wanting to live in a boring society ruled by a government
>not wanting to live in anarcho-capitalist Mad Max Land with people LARPing as romans and cowboys and shit
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>>383568254
railroad have the best theme at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgmjwVE7zQE
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>>383565392
>Yeah, I remember seeing Trump running for office and thinking, "Yeah, he's what we need. He's an honest businessman."
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>>383568330
Tactics is a decent tactical/RPG hybrid but terrible shitting on the Fallout lore. BoS is actually cancer. Like, don't even play it for morbid curiosity.
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>>383568286
>While the NCR are too busy taxing the hell out of the population and the Legion are too busy fucking their male slaves to prove their dominance, Courier and House are chilling in their Moon Mansion in their cool robot bodies while hot robot girls attend to their whims
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>>383568254
Spoiler alert-you get to become the leader of the institute. Best ending imho, you get to employ your own agenda, and you have the most advanced technology and the brightest minds in the world at your disposal, it's like the BM ending we never got in NV

>>383568371
I explained it earlier in the thread, look it up

>>383568330
Brotherhood of steel is pure shit, Tactics is a fresh take on old school/2d fallout, if you're wanting more, but it's very unpolished, and it's all about fighting, no speech skill. But still, up to 5 companions and you get to control them at all times
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>>383568370
NCR are trying to dethrone him and any allies to them are technically his enemies, I really don't see an issue with that mentality. He's not perfect, one of his blatant flaws is that he's an awful diplomat and would rather just exterminate a problem rather than patiently deal with it. Literally one of the first thing that sperg says when you're going to blow the bunker sky high is that he'll kill you, he's not really the bargaining sort and it's pretty apparent where it's getting him.
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>>383568429
Thanks, my friends all told me the same thing too.
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>>383568505
Can you even do anything as the new Leader? All I know is that they continue to kill civilians and replace them with synths.
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>>383564195
Fuck.
I just got into the casino, and I've enjoyed the fuck out of Dead Money so far, especially the trio of people. Dog/God being my favorite so far, but I will say his dialogue did get annoying after I asked him to follow me around.
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>>383568615
Well, gameplay wise, you get to raid a synth hideout if you buy DLC, but that's about it.

It's all left to your imagination. You can do anything you want, what can a bunch of eggheads do about it? Like I said, best ending, because you actually have the tech and manpower to rebuild the world a new. House promised to bring the man to the stars, but I think the MIT has a better chance of that, plus, all the other endings have you blowing the place up, retarded
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>>383568856
Yeah, the Brotherhood blowing the place up literally made no sense, they have always salvaged, not destroyed.
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>>383536636
>Name 1, ONE, thing wrong with Mr. House's plans for New Vegas.

It is to complacent. It wants to rebuild the new world as a farce of the old. Sure you can say that of NCR and Legion but since its about house only ill keep it to him.

House wants to just live in a world that mimics his past life before the bombs. He with his blatant lying and wanting to be rid of the brotherhood of steel also clearly shows that he cares nothing about the new world and its new opportunity if they get in the way of rebuilding the old world he is fond of. House is essentially a small ,yet smart, minded man who only cares about himself and his small sphere of influence.


So in essence as that house is simply a man who cant let go and begin again. Just like the NCR and more so like the legion , who speak broken mix of Latin.
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>>383569072
>Implying the Brotherhood are a progressive faction
kek

>only cares about himself and his small sphere of influence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lWCVVrBtO0
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>>383569072
Except that his end game is putting the man on other planets and leaving the old, broken world behind, once he gets economy and manufacturing going. Why do so many people miss that part?
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>>383569225
Because only a dangerously naive child would ever believe House's plans are for the betterment of anyone but House. He'll just fuck off to the moon and be a filthy robosexual, leaving humanity to die on Earth.
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>>383536636

Old fart is losing his marbles. Literally all his allies were trying to betray him and he could do nothing about it except hoping his new right-hand man stays loyal to him.

Independent Vegas best ending
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>>383569343
>He'll just fuck off to the moon and be a filthy robosexual, leaving humanity to die on Earth.
And what would he achieve through that? He shut himself in the Lucky 38 for over 200 years and let no human get inside of it, there's not really much point in going to space by himself only when nobody else could bother him in the first place.
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>>383569657
>crazy guy stays alone for 200 years
>only starts doing things when he's about to get sandwiched between two armies
He just wants to chill out and fuck his robot waifus.
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>>383569343
I think the only child here is you. Come back when you're 18
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>>383569657
Well, with the legion closing in, what did you think it would happen when they get inside Lucky 38?
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>>383569762
>>383569814
if House wins, he'd have a massive upgraded securitron army and the Mojave's saviour on his side so he wouldn't worry too much
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With the exception of House, Ceaser and Elijiah, name me one interesting character in Fallout New Vegas that's not a companion and still alive
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>>383569165
>Implying the Brotherhood are a progressive faction
As a whole they kind of are. They horde tech and shit yeah but they also give some away to people and groups who they deem will be responsible with it to help them out.

The brotherhood is made up of essentially non enclave soldiers from during the war who survived the bombs. They know how irresponsible man can be with dangerous and powerful shit. So their primary goal is to stop that from happening again.

So yeah you can argue they are dicks but even thought they are bullish their ideals and goals are about bettering the world as whole more so than just themselves.

They only argument one can genuinely use against them ,though a great one, is just that over generations many of the new and younger people have come to misunderstand the point of the shit they try to do. Since they being younger and growing up in a safer more stable way of life have come to view the things they due from a place of undue superiority.


>>383569225
and yeah he says that sure. but House is a really smart guy. So he would have to know just what the Brotherhood is all about and what it is they want to do. The courier has no need nor the chance to ever really know this. But as an outsider looking in knowing about the world and what the factions do and who they are. House blatantly lies to the courier and if he is not lying then it can be said that he is not as smart as the game implies and he is actually surprisingly dumb as fuck which then makes shit pointless since its only a matter of time till he is usurped since he is actually dumb as fuck then.

So house lies to person who has no real recourse to know better. So who is to say that that shit is not also lie to the courier for the sake of hype himself up and making the courier think better and higher of him.

House is simply just someone who lies to get what he want. And if one knows better how can one truly trust such a person?
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>>383570020
Fisto
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>>383570020
Dr Hilbert
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>>383570035
I don't think house would lie to you. Like somebody else here said, he's got an honest employee to employer relationship with you. The stars are far away still, but I think that's his end game. You may not live it to see it, or maybe you will, with the big mt bionic upgrades, but building an economy and securing the safety of vegas is his top priority

>>383570020
dog/god
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>>383570103
Can someone give me a quick rundown on Fisto?
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>>383536636
>NCR and Legion can eat poo
NCR and legan can't eat poo they are poo
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>>383570035
>So their primary goal is to stop that from happening again.
And who says they're the ones who should hold all of that power? Them? No thanks, they've proven time and time again that they're just glossed savages with rifles that'll kill at the first suspicion information being leaked or treason. They've killed an entire Follower outpost just because an ex-member decided to join them. Plus, have you seen the amount of infighting that's going on in the BoS's bunker in the Mojave? A group of paladins were practically planning to overthrow their leader just because they didn't agree with his methods. Just as House put it, emotionally unstable techno fetishists.

House's goals are more thought out and progressive compared to them. They're all about hoarding technology and learning from that. House is all about forgetting the past and building a new one, innovating new technologies and establishing colonies on far away planets. He inspires that kind of organization clearly with Vegas, he could pull it off.
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Who wins without courier involvement?
It's not house or benny that's for sure
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>>383570415
The Legion.
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>>383570196

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apYXa5uQAIE
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nuff said
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>>383570196
Fisto is a joke character, a Protectron that doubles as a gay sexbot.
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Friendly reminder Avellone said he'd change much if he was to do New Vegas again. He did not like how Legion was portrayed and there was no rational reason why to side with them, there was clear pandering towards NCR.
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>>383570415
What he said -> >>383570442
It's simple storytelling, really. The "good" faction finds itself at an "all time low" until the player comes in to save them.
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>>383570723
>>383570415
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>>383570807
>not getting retconned by bethesda
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>>383570807
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>>383570807
Fuck off, Avellone.
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>>383557049
Good Little Dog
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>>383570974
No

Now, let's talk about the best character in the game, and why it's ulysses
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>>383570717

Yeah, talking with Caesar is a bizarre experience in the game because he's describing a coherent vision for a society that has the capacity to rebuild; but all you see out of his followers is carnage.

Seeing them fleshed out into a coherent albeit ruthless faction would have made the game a lot more interesting. The faults of the NCR also should have gotten a little more playtime. They come off too easily as being the "good guys".

Having some way to pursue a Yes Man ending that doesn't end in total anarchy would have been nice too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ
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>>383537173
How can you be "decently politically aware" when you know more about a video game politician than you do your own government representative?
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>>383570807
The Legion would beat the Tunnelers
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>>383541829
go to bed anon, you have school tomorrow
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>>383571096
>Be legion
>Run up with machetes at guys with guns
>Die

>Be Legion
>Run up with machetes at snake gollum monster things that can dig tunnels
>Die
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>>383571059
>but all you see out of his followers is carnage.
Because all you see is his army, we don't see any Legion occupied towns to see how different they are and what the locals think about them. Which is a fault of the game's time constraints.
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>>383571214
>>Run up with machetes at guys with guns
>>Die
But those machette-wielding guys beat the shit out of the NCR at the first battle of Hoover Dam before they got baited into Boulder City.
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>>383536636
>Not siding with Elijah and getting his ending for the game
Do you even want to bring prosperity to the wasteland?
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>>383571214
Was it ever explained why Legion enemies were so powerful despite being retards cosplaying as Romans?
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>>383571330
>We would have won if it wasn't for some TNT!

Blast these boom thingies that savages use

>>383571363
Radiation

Honestly tho, I liked that the game was balanced, but I modded the game so that their football armor has dogshit defense, like it should. Plays much more organically
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>>383571363
Psychological / military attrition, deceptive tactics, inserting themselves into NCR ranks and leaking information, and all of their soldiers are ready to charge in and die for their cause. Plus those slave women are probably pumping out children like crazy that'll be soldiers in the next 14 or so years.
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>>383571363
Because they're trained from young age to be hardenned in battle while the majority of NCR soldiers are just conscripts. Also the Legion has spies everywhere
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>>383571485
I meant for in-game enemies. Why can they soak up so much damage?
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>>383552983
This is the part of NV that always bothers me since it's so fucking boring and bad.
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>>383571574
Shitty balance I guess, kek.
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>>383570717
>there was clear pandering towards NCR.
I thought it was more an issue of they had the deadline that couldn't be moved back so they just shipped the game with the legion missing most of its content.
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>>383571617
Yeah, I get the story parts of the Legion, but there is no reason for them to be so powerful when they are wearing shitty armor and using melee weapons.
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>>383571638
Goddamn why are Obsidian so fucking bad at finishing games? I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since all the good devs left.
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>>383571683
Yeah, it's honestly pretty annoying how bulky they are health wise. I just assume it's a mix of rank and shit, like their experience due to rank influences how strong they are. Still doesn't make any sense why they can take an anti-material rifle shot at point blank.
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>>383571857
I mean, NCR might have kevlar or stuff, but Legion wears makeshift armor from leather and strips of metal.
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>>383556949
Get realistic headshots and jsawyer ultimate.
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>>383567631
God that DLC was so fucking good man, best Fallout expansion hands down and if you disagree you're a faggot
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>>383572110
>not mothership zeta
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>>383567631
>ghost people with throwing spears
no fuck that shit
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>>383557107
boone?
>>
THE BEST
https://youtu.be/1LoSIGjIEmg?t=1m
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>sniffs your stinky winky

well...... hello there sailor ;) :D
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>>383573523
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>>383536636

He and the Legion both were way more authoritarian than I wanted for the future of the Mojave.
The NCR weren't competent or large enough to spread this far and actually keep the Mojave safe and controlled and have far too much bureaucracy.

I saw an Independent Vegas as the best solution short term.
Valued total freedom of the minor factions to operate as they want to within the Mojave.
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>>383573891
>I saw an Independent Vegas as the best solution short term.
>t. retard
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>>383557049

Floating metal buddy
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>>383573961
>mr house will solve everything! ill be a good boy and help him!
t.daddy issues
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>>383571072
I know where Peter Baelish was born, but I don't know where a senator was born.

>holy fucking shit how can you possibly put your fucking pants on in the morning!?!?!
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>>383574078
There is no evidence to the contrary, shitbird.
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>>383574078
nobody here thinks that way, but it seems you got daddy issues. want to talk about it?
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>>383573961

What's wrong with an Independent Vegas?
I'd love to hear it.
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>>383540527
or you just blow up the tower and you have won.
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>>383574267
see
>>383570562
now go smoke some weed, or whatever it is you "independent" types do
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>>383574387

Not seeing how that says anything.
You just have no argument at all.
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>>383574267
I couldn't be bothered with having to rule over New Vegas for the foreseeable future. I want to be able to fuck off and do other stuff.

I have good relations with Mr. House and he pays well enough and leaves me well enough alone. If he ever becomes a dick it wouldn't be too hard to get rid of him.

Where as with an independent Vegas either you have to spend all your time, effort and money ruling with the risk of being toppled and killed or you invite raiders into the area if you leave it alone.
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>>383564781
>communism is the end game of utilitarianism
This is correct.
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>>383563827
> It's not communism
> Proceeds to describe the very definition of communism
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>>383576061
>confusing communism with anarchism
fair enough considering a lot of the communists you see nowadays are anarcho-communists
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>>383576269
You can lie to yourself all you want
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>>383576448
>implying i'm a dirty commie
please anon
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If you do OWB before ever seeing House in his life-support chamber, it's hard not to feel bad for him. He thinks he's discovered the ultimate in life-prolonging technology but none of his accomplishments have shit on what they accomplished in the Big MT, which the Courier now has complete access to.
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>>383536636
He thought he could rule city the old (pre war) ways but slightly different to avoid the same mistakes.
But since you cant change the nature of a man and because old way worked so well in the past duh its obvious that House was a delusional remnant of the past.
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>>383576646
Best ending is siding with house, then using the technology in big mt with helping him turn vegas into a stronghold of the old world

one of the biggest flaws with house's plan is his limited army, but there is a securitron plant right there. that solves one of the biggest problems right off the bat. big mt courier makes the space dream a distant reality, especially if the think tank isn't killed off
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>>383571214
>innocent
Those degenerates deserved it
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cant trust an egomaniac to make descisions that benefit everybody and not just himself
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>Not siding with the NEET King
I likethe legion, but reaching for the stars get my special place tingling.
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Stop relying on technology.
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>>383576981
House did enough to warrant his ego, anybody that says otherwise can fuck off
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>>383577047
>Not relying on technology
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>>383562040

except house is actually smart and acting independently, while trump is just doing whatever bannon tells him
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>>383571059
>The faults of the NCR also should have gotten a little more playtime. They come off too easily as being the "good guys".
I don't fucking understand how anyone fucking believes this
It's absolutely fucking retarded and beaten into your god damn head EVERY
SINGLE
FUCKING
QUEST
that the NCR is full of a bunch of inept retards who have no idea what they're doing
It's full of people who want to help but they're constantly screwed over and ALL of their faults are at the forefront
Right off the fucking bat, you find out that the NCR correctional facility gets screwed and then the Powder Gangers become a thing all due to the faults of the NCR
Every single NCR settlement you run across is portrayed as despondent and rife with problems.
Fucking Primm gets fucked by raiders and the NCR is just sitting there on their asses not doing anything.
Every NPC complains about the limitations of the NCR brass. The farther you get into New Vegas the more it's apparent that they're horrendous and doomed for failure
God what's wrong with you people? Do you talk to any NPCs? There are very few who have nice things to say about the NCR
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>>383562040
>Mods deleted my on topic post
It seems that my opinion has rustled some jimmies
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>>383577126
Caesar only hates it when man is completely reliant on technology but he is not against it when he can use it as a means
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>>383576681
So would you rather be banned from gambling and drinking and have to pay taxes to a giant bureaucracy that's located far away or be banned from medicine and be a literal slave to an absolute nutter?
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>>383577341
>banned from gambling and drinking
>drinking
The NCR doesn't ban drinking, their outpost has a fucking bar.
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>>383577480
But isn't that just until it becomes a proper part of the ncr instead of a frontier outpost?
In fallout 2 you're supposed to be arrested if found under the influence of alcohol or drugs in the NCR
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>Take a left to the computer terminal
>open it
>securitrons go hostile
>run to the far corner of the room so they have to file in through the small doorway 1 at a time
>kill them all with about 40 rounds of AP 5.56
too easy
I didn't kill him though I just left him there unable to control anything. Once things settle down I'll use some Big MT tech to put his brain in something else.
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>>383577679
>But isn't that just until it becomes a proper part of the ncr instead of a frontier outpost?
They have a Sargent stationed there I highly doubt he'd allow it if was actually against the rules.
>In fallout 2 you're supposed to be arrested if found under the influence of alcohol or drugs in the NCR
"supposed" being the keyword? There are tons of alcohol to be found in and around NCR camps. I can understand buffout or med-x but they're stretched out enough as is, do you think they really arrest every single person they find drinking? If they do that is extremely retarded and it's no small wonder they are losing. Rads aside alcohol is probably the cleanest thing to drink in the Mojave.
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>>383577791
Is it possible to disconnect House from the mainframe but leave him alive somehow?
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>>383577893
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Sssign.msg
I think it's just public intoxication that's illegal like it is in the USA nowadays so there could still be a bar. But not liking that law, and not being from america, fuck that. I want to be able to be drunk wherever I want
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>>383542420
Can you become a Ghoul wearing power armor? or he just wanted to become one?
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>>383578149
>{Persons found under the influence of alcohol or drugs will be arrested.}
It's been forever since I've played 2 but I guess you're not wrong. In NV I never got the impression that it was enforced there.Especially on The Strip.
It could be public intoxication but that's not what that link infers to me. I just never got the impression that they cracked down on any alcohol usage just drugs when they could.
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>>383577976
It seems like it. If you disconnect his cerebral control he's still blinking and moving, but sends out his "House is Dead" message anyway.
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>>383578480
It's just basic laws against public intoxication, which are rarely enforced unless you're causing a serious disturbance.
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>>383564316
Same

Disappointed desu
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>>383578567
That actually sounds horrible, being left in a powerless state like this with no idea for your surroundings
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>>383557049
muh legion, beret
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>>383578756
He does say he'd rather die than be left in that state, but I did it anyway. Maybe I should just go back and kill him.
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>>383578756
Thats why he ask you to kill him and dont leave him in that painfull state.
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>>383536636
im not leading it
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fuck this
all these new vegas threads made me reinstall it
what mods do I get?
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>>383578981
Uninstall.exe, it's not as good as you remember.
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>>383557049
Josh Sawyer's self-insert
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>>383579043
Arcade? Is SJWyer an actual gay or just a nu-male?
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>>383557049
Assume the position
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>>383536636
House doesn't care about people, just "progress." Have you seen Freeside? It's Hell. If he can't even control a few blocks, what makes you think he can control industry enough to go to space?
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>>383578981
sexout, brutal rapers and all the other fun modules
get ur butt ready, no matter what sex you're playing as. literally
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>>383578981
Why unistall the game in the first place anon?
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>>383579108
He's neither, but Arcade was his character in a Fallout tabletop campaign, and he uses him as a mouthpiece at certain times.
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>>383579279
GUESS WHO JUST GOT A NEW PROMOTION?
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>>383579220
Freeside was a mess because he didn't have the ability to take care of it, that's why in one of the endings he sends his securitrons in Freeside and cleans the entire place, even the Kings
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>>383579279
new computer
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>>383579279
what mods OwO
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>>383567874
I'm so glad they canonically made it so the Brotherhood had an uprising and a new Elder was put in place.

Also, one of the terminals mentioned accepting and honoring the outcasts back in for sticking to their proper mission after Lyons was outed. Do you think this is why their armor colors switched to black and red in 4? As some sort of way of honoring them for adhering to the mission despite their leader becoming blind to it?
Or am I overestimating Bethesda and it was just because it looks cool.
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>>383579327
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>>383579327
Does this mean that his ideal Vegas is to be independent?
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>>383570807
Why would they even write in an impending doom for the world in the next 100 years or so? They know Bethesda was gonna keep milking this cash cow series. It for sure was just gonna get retconned.
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>>383579442
just basic Type 6 body, clothes from nexus, enb too (onyx enb- for cold) and some steals from the cucknetwork.
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>>383536636
His whole plan is basically reddit "le ebin science and space exploration are going to save everything!"
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>>383551353
I just realized theres no major hospital in the new vegas area.
Definitely a missed detail
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Why the fuck house didnt became a robobrain or something more perfect than just a frozen guy in a box?
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>>383579617
Avellone's fragile ego couldn't take the fact that any of the four original endings leads to a stable situation and he didn't write it.
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>>383536636
Reminder that fallout 3 is actually more in line with the background of the fallout universe than new vegas, fallout 1 and 2.
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>>383536636
How incompetent he is getting anything done.
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Anyone ever try either of these mods? Been looking for a mod like this and only able to find these two.

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/43086/?

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/62173/?
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>>383580081
Bethesda missed one detail with Fallout 4, the EMP Blackout that occured before the nukes fell
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>>383580989
how is that and why is that
not saying you're wrong but i was always under the assumption the nukes caused the emp
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>>383580081
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN
.......A TREE???????
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>>383548605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3CeDIuWOyQ
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>>383581061
Well to be fair, I actually possibly read this wrong, but I read this from the wiki:

>According to both the Shi (Fallout 2) and Randall Clark (New Vegas), there was a great nuclear EMP-produced blackout following the war
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I always thought 3 was dead as fuck compared to the others because I thought they were trying to play up the fact the area was supposed to have been pelted by multiple nukes... you know, being DC and all.
Then Fallout 4 happened and it is obvious I gave them too much credit.
Oh well, at least mods can fix it.
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>>383581396
okay yeah i interpret that as "the nukes caused the emp"
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>>383581474
the only defense i can give is that fallout 4 takes place the longest after the war and vegetation has had more of a chance to come back, but it's a very weak defense
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A big complaint with fallout 4 that I have (and call me a pleb or whatever) is the fucking ghouls.
Like yeah its all good that they aren't as static as they were in previous games but goddamn are they too hard to hit
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>>383570807
*toss one of these bad boys at them*
crisis averted
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>>383581647
Use VATS, retard
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>>383581739
That doesn't help when all the game gives me is a fucking pipe pistol

Am I supposed to aim for the head or thr legs?
>>
I can't. House is literally the Philosopher King of Plato's Republic. The perfect leader.
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>>383581474
this
it has been 200 years which is plenty enough time for vegetation to return
And you would think after such a long time that the commonwealth wouldn't be such a ruin as by this time there was already a new country formed on the west coast
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>>383572147
>OA with aliens the dlc
>best
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>>383581647
>fully upgraded legendary combat shotgun that slows time when you aim down sights
>every room turns into an episode of "BREACH AND CLEAR!" with even sanic-speed enemies disintegrating from dead-on headshots and their ragdolls slowly spiraling into the air

Goddamn this game can be fun.
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>>383581543
No, my point is there SHOULD be vegetation.
I used mods to add it back in.
Nuclear fallout doesn't keep plants down long.
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>>383581981
it's got an alien assault rifle and a plasma grenade launcher. your argument is now invalid
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>>383577067
That image makes perfect sense if you actually completed that mission and learnt what an asshole Hildern was.
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>>383582031
is that chernobyl?
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>>383581801
If you don't spec at least 8 into Luck you are playing the game wrong.
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>>383582132
50000 People used to live here...
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>>383582031
My best bet for why F3 was without vegetation is that something else must have seeped into the ground and made the land super infertile. Hence why the region needs a FEV Freak to make things right
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>>383537314

>hurr durr techno fetishists
>now excuse me while I digitally bang the personality of a dead actress implanted in a securitron
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>>383566560

you know why it's called LONG 15 you fucking retard?
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>>383582031
It really doesn't make sense that there are so many mutated fauna running around but the most mutated plants we see are food and vault 22
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>>383582547
The exits you right outside the gate at the mojave outpost, the crater is not even a mile away from the starting point. Did you even play the DLC?
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>>383537413
>toon
you were THAT kid, huh?
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>>383582031
but wouldn't there be a nuclear winter?
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>>383582813
Plants and seeds are hardy as fuck. Do you understand how many ice ages there have been?
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>>383564316
>>383578695
That IS Steve Carrell you mongoloids
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>>383582078
OA gives you a bunch of OP toys too. It's still shit.
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>>383582910
True but I can still lie to myself when I play the game
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>>383582910

There was a series of unending and highly destructive acid rain storms that followed after the bombs that basically was a Permian Extinction level event. There are still bits and pieces of vegetation here and there, and some have mutated by magical fallout for the climate. New Vegas also had some diversity up near Jacobstown and Zion.
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>>383579723
Followers of the apocalypse.
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>>383537314
What exactly was he right about? He didn't even make clear how the Brotherhood were a threat. They kill people and hoard resources? Well whoop dee doo so does everyone else in the Mojave.
>>
Reminder: All of the families that House had under his thumb were fucking him over somehow. Benny obviously, Gommorah was a legion pawn, and the Ultra Luxe were planning to return to their cannibal ways. I like the guy, but it's obvious that he's not as intelligent as it would first seem.
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>>383584116
Now tell me, why would someone who's entire army is composed of advanced robotics be concerned that a group of religious fanatics worshiping technology are right next door to him? Go on, you can figure this one out

>>383584357
>House doesn't have complete control over his families because he's trying to not get his ass annexed, that must mean he's a retard
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>>383584462

So you're saying it'd be too hard to pay like, two or three guys to keep their eyes and ears out on the families and immediately let you know if they were doing goofy shit?
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>>383584571
Pay who? He's only got his securitrons, and they sure as hell don't allow them in the casinos

He most likely could, but he had much bigger things going on at the time. I am sure something like this gets put in place if you do his ending
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>>383584687

More than likely the courier would already stop the families, but it's not the best idea to wait for a random stranger to happen along and solve your problems while dealing with the war going on. Each family has one guy that is obviously unhappy with the direction each family is going, if they had some sense they'd go up to a securtron, and say "Hey, my buddies are doing X, mind telling the boss?".
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>>383584954
That's not how it works. I'm guessing that House was already suspicious, but his thoughts were pre occupied exclusively by the platinum chip. And then, you came along, how convenient
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>>383585087

Convenience doesn't always work either, but we could sit here discussing this all day. Let's just agree to disagree. Speaking of factions, I really wish they had more time to flesh out the Legion instead of having to make them the token evil faction because lolbethesda. Wasn't the original idea for them an army of wasters that thrived in the wasteland because they turned their backs on pre war shit?
>>
The ending in New Vegas is a question in what you believe in.

Choosing House is faith in the supernatural. By choosing this, you believe that a larger than life, mostly benevolent, individual has the power to change the world for the better.

Choosing Legion is your faith in history. By choosing this, you put your faith in the fact that one can recreate the golden eras of history with the right direction, know how, and faith.

Choosing NCR is your faith in people. By choosing the NCR you accept that democracy, going by the numbers, and pleasing (most) of the people is the best way to rebuild life.

Choosing Yes Man is faith in yourself. By choosing Yes Man, you show faith in yourself that you are capable of any undertaking, no matter how absurd and impossible it may seem.
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>>383585445
damn, now that's deep
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>>383579698
>basically reddit "le ebin science and space exploration are going to save everything!"

This is not a reddit quote but actually what humanity has been doing since inventing agriculture. Technology has always gave humanity more freedom and prosperity over time while making old problems seem like small inconveniences. Like getting food or getting an bacterial infection

What makes you think that that will change sometime in the future? The trend will continue and todays big problems (like global warming, wealth inequality, aging) will be just small inconveniences in the future as well.
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>>383585876
most likely because he's a legionfag and thinks anyone that doesn't like nailing people while crossdressing is a plebbitor
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>>383585876
>actually what humanity has been doing since inventing agriculture.
Nope.
Even if we set aside the absurd level of historical inaccuracy of what you wrote, technological development hasn't always been motivated by naive reddit tier scientism.
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>>383536636
He has a golf club embedded into his forehead.
Check and Mate housefags.
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>>383585445
Yes Man really only makes sense if you've made your Courier into some 10-int 100 speech messiah that has ingratiated himself with every single group in the Mojave (that you didn't destroy) and took full advantage of the tech of the Big MT.

At that point you're essentially a quasi-immortal cyborg with a more legitimate claim to rule than anybody else in the game.

If you're just some low-int alcoholic gunslinger then everybody is doomed.
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383586118
nice b8
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>>383536636
I love how in the fallout universe the world almost completely ran out of natural resources leading up to the war but somehow we're supposed to think that advanced civilization still exists despite that, combined with a nuclear holocaust.
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I mean, the obvious reason is the flaw in House's government. A dictatorship is fine except for the way that dictators tend to be jingoist tyrants.

Which is why we like democracy these days, you know. Fewer wars.
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>>383586346
>Fewer wars
It has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with economics.
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>>383570807
I always figured the tunnelers were a way for them to never have to commit to any one ending being canon, because the Mojave gets fucked back to square 1 by tunnelers no matter what becoming neutral land again.

Of course we will never see the Mojave again so it doesn't matter. Future Fallout games will just ignore New Vegas entirely.
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>>383565852

The Railroad is poorly written as a faction, but they're no SJWs - it's closer to say that they're like the abolitionists to the Minutemen's Unionism.
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>>383576269
communism by definition is a form of anarchism though (dissolution of the state and all).

what we think of when we say communism is socialism aka imperialism, complete with centralized power, an emperor such as stalin, the upper ruling class/party, the dumb peasantry, an uniform culture, language, education and way of life, brutal suppression of dissent and so on. every commie nation on earth was/is socialist, whether it's ussr, china, korea, south american places and such.

what communism really is (other than being a carrot on a stick to program the easily influenced manchildren into accepting socialism) is tribalism, a return to pre-feudal way of life in a small community/tribe, like niggers in africa or native americans.

>african and south american savages are the true commies.
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>>383586513
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>>383586118
You don't understand what science is do you?

Science is the process of trying to understand the physical laws around you. While technology is humans using tools with the knowledge of how those physical laws work to bend the universe to our will.

The more we advance our understanding the better we can exploit "loopholes" using technology to bend the universe more and more to our will. This is the essence of technology.

Science isn't pic related reddit bullshit. You actually learn the rules of the world by yourself as a baby. Trying to stack blocks and seeing them fall so you can determine the amount of gravity it experiences and see the properties of the shapes and matter. Trying to taste it and feel it to try and see patterns in how those rules affects the things around you.
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>>383585585
>What's a god to a non-believer
what the fuck
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>>383586456
You think democracy over a dictatorship makes us rich. Alright then. That doesn't make sense, but sure. I guess I was wrong and democracy isn't about protection from abuse of power or equality then. My mistake.
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>>383586709
>Science is the process of trying to understand the physical laws around you.
What? No, just, no. Where the hell did you study philosophy of science? Podunk-university?
The rest is so pathetic it only lacked a picture of elon musk.
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>>383586780
>You think democracy over a dictatorship makes us rich
I've never seen anyone misunderstand a sentence this much, congratulations.
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r8
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>>383586661

Literally no-one in the Railroad mentions wanting the liberation of anything other than synths. Even then, it's just gen 3 synths, who are well-established over the course of the game to display human levels of sapience. The one and only character who has sympathies for gen 2 synths is Glory, and she does even do anything about it before she dies anyway.
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>>383586826
>the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
Dictionary definition of science. He's not wrong.
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>>383586912
>Unironic railroad faggot
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>>383586727
it's from a Kanye song, what do you expect?
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>>383586907
House seems misplaced
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>>383586958
A) that definition is lacking, mainly because it's a dictionary, not a specialized text, B) systematic study through observation and experiment isn't the same thing as "trying to understand the physical laws around you".
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>>383587015

>People think Railroad is a good faction
>People think they should abandon the progress of humanity because "muh synth freedoms"

laughinginstitutescientists.jpg
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1st for Ranger Ghost, cutest girl in all the Mojave, NCR, the world and she's also my wife
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>>383586907
House is libertarian. He doesn't interfere in market forces. He only rents out land to casino owners in exchange for protection and a cut of their income. That isn't even taxes since he actually provides a service in exchange and the tribes can just move out if they refuse to pay.
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>>383586907
>Legion
>left
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>>383587316
he taxes the hell out of everyone, especially any business on the strip
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http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/60791/?

Is it any good /v/
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>come across Bonnie Springs
>wipe out little camp of raiders
>plenty of fresh water at the ranch, relatively isolated but still has access to main road, many buildings still nearly in-tact
>with a quick touch-up job could become a fine little town
>wonder why nobody ever settled it
>see cazador nest things on the buildings
oh, that's why
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>>383587446
Why do you think it's right wing?
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>>383587094
Just stop posting, you're anonymous mate.
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>>383587468
"taxes" asking for a cut of the business that is conducted on HIS property isn't taxation. That's just running a business.
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>>383572110
People don't actually think Dead Money was good do they?
It's a meme right
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>>383587559
Why? I'm not the guy with a fourth grade understanding of science and history.
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>>383587565
It really depends on what skills you've invested in and how you feel about scrounging for supplies, and if you get the most out of the companions

Personally I hated it and dread doing it again
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>>383587558
First answer why you think it's left-wing first
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>>383587672
I don't, I've no idea either way, they never mention anything in terms of economy or welfare state or stuff like that.
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>>383587549
The Cazadores would gladly let people settle and be a part of the town with them but most people are either too scared or too prejudiced to even talk to the poor dears.
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>>383587549
>not wanting to be impregnated by an alpha Cazador to give birth to alien-like aberrations.
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>>383587731
They allow the existance of independet merchants so I doubt you can call them leftists at all
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>>383587798
>>383587845
>you are feeling a little woozy
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>>383584357
>the Ultra Luxe were planning to return to their cannibal ways.
There was literally one guy trying to force the others to eat human flesh so they'd all be guilty of it. The organization as a whole were not aware of this at all.
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>>383587871
AFAIK they allow caravans to travel through their lands, it's not the same thing.
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>>383587562
Of course by that logic tax isn't tax, as they are letting you run a business on their claimed territory with their claimed people.

That's nonsense.

House has created a state through his libertarian principles. He makes laws, he enforces laws, he has a military, he collects tax, he wages war, he settles property disputes, and
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>>383587871
>Mutualists, syndicalists and market socialist aren't left.

DAMN SON.
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>>383587980
Yes but the merchants still own their goods. They Legion are fascists than anything else
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>>383587845
>impregnated by
You've got it mixed up.
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>>383588105
>nazis are left wing
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>>383588118
>Yes but the merchants still own their goods
Yeah and? Commerce isn't forbidden under socialist regimes.
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>>383588192
>national socialism
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>>383586219
to be fair the courier is some kind of god-like being depending on what he did
using your own skills to beat both the legion and the NCR is a feat by itself, and most people in fallout seem pretty incompetent anyways compared to you
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>>383536636
He trusted Courier
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>>383587731
Left wing is generally defined by support of egalitarianism (Forced or otherwise) and social equality, whereas right is social hierarchy and social order (Or at least that they are inevitable, normal or part of the human condition)

>>383588192
Strasser and Rohm were, Hitler wasn't. Heck in 1920 Hitler was the main thing stopping them from becoming an actual socialist party (The social part of the party was in charge and wanted to merge with the socialist party while Hitler was away). But strasser was fucking weird, so it's not like he counts. (Guys, murdering jews is class conflict and hegelian dialectics!)

Anyway, you didn't make a point, you just spouted a non-sequitor.
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Legion is Center Authoritarian
House is Right Libertarian
NCR is Right Authoritarian
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>>383548605
>not having your pipboy tuned to mojave music radio all the fucking time
>not gettin lost inna desert to twangy country guitars
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>>383588397
Stalinist russia was quite hierarchical.
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>>383588260
>That's the guy who killed Caesar!
This alone should give you the right to rule
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>>383588475
It would be doable if the game had more than 4 different songs playing. Even going from town to town, listening to the radios that would play in the open, it got old real fast, I can't imagine WANTING to listen to radio by default at all times
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>>383588583
You didn't get any expanded radio mods?
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>>383588532
Yes, Stalin was a fucking counter-revolutionary cunt who betrayed all the principles of Lenin (That Lenin himself hadn't already betrayed).

But his argument was that the Soviet State should survive until capitalism collapsed everywhere else, and then it could take over and make everyone else communists and then fade away.

Fuck Stalin.
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>>383540527
nigga just use mini nuke on the whole tower LMAO
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Securitrons go down easy to a standard service rifle, they dont seem like that big of a deal honestly. At least in their non-upgraded form.
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>>383587956
>half of your health was gone in a split second
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>>383588251
>>national socialism
An ideology considered to be far-right because of Hitler's ideas. Funny thing is that Caesar believes in the Ubermench theory just like Hitler, only without mentions of race.
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>>383589151
the replacement heart from OWB is such a blessing
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>>383589312
yeah, I consider it the steath suit from OA equivalent-breaks the game
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>>383541829
t. Alberto Barbosa
nice google translate there
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>>383589202
>Funny thing is that Caesar believes in the Ubermench theory just like Hitler, only without mentions of race.
Well, it's not like Nietzsche is particularly obscure.
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>>383589556
Hitler was the only politician in history to mainly base his ideals on the Ubermench
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>invade the fort while benny is still captive
>kill everybody
>enter Caesar's tent and manage to take out all of his guards and the man himself
>benny is miraculously unharmed despite explosives being used
>let him go
ring a ding
will I ever see him again?
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>>383589762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33AhowC9NBI
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>>383588251
Prussian socialism
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>>383589790
Oh for fuck's sake Benny
You saw me murder the entire forward garrison of the legion and you still want some?
I should have killed that motherfucker, now I'm mad
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>>383589760
But that's certainly not the only way a politician could go with the idea of ubermensch. Especially in a post apocalyptic world where it doesn't have the same connotations
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>>383589889
>"You deliver mail!"
Sick burn dude
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>>383590282
Try to rule your country by pushing the Ubermench theory and it will be associated with Nazi Germany. In a post-apocalyptic world where nations no longer exist you at least have an easier time to push the Ubermench theory on some tribes who know nothing.
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>>383570020
Graham moron
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>>383590718
That's literally what i just said
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>>383590285
I ain't a fink, dig?
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>>383587549
>Kill some dumbass raiders north of goodsprings
>Come back later, nap in the tent
>FUCKING CAZADORS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE TENT
>mfw
I honestly thought that save was done for, but I managed to turbo my way out. Fucking cazadors, not even once
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>>383588819
>/v/ has Trots now
Well I'll be damned
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>>383590819
The point is that the Ubermench ideology is considered "far-right", just like national socialism even though it isn't or anti-semitism which isn't exclusive to just Hitler or nazis. They are only lumped together because they are considered taboo by the them.
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>>383590825
>thought he was saying "I ain't a finkdig."
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>>383591146
Well, fink isn't exactly a common thing for anyone to say anymore, I could see people getting confused.
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>>383590912
Nah, I'm more of a Makhno man myself.

Trotsky lost all claim to being a vanguard of anything when he put down the Kronstadt rebellion.
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>>383591125
That's what i was saying when i said about the idea not having the same connotations in fallout. People don't remember the nazis so the idea can have a fresher start. That's what I meant
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Someone explained Ulysses perfectly in a previous thread.

Their basic idea was that the reason his ramblings, ideals, and goals don't seem to make sense is because even he isn't certain what lesson he's trying to teach the courier. He is desperate to place blame for what happened to The Divide on the Courier and by extension their beliefs, but deep down he knows that you had nothing to do with it and just happened to be the person delivering the package.

I wish I had saved their post
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Also another thing that goes against the idea of the Legion being considered leftist is the gender inequality
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>>383590873
I always seem to be rolling in antidotes but still they definitely are a fucking pain

Unless you're going guns then just light up their wings with an SMG
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