>Discussing FFXII >Thread suddenly gets archived out of

>>383524363
I would play this game if it was on the Switch

>>383524363
The whole board got autism'd.

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Don't get too comfortable. If he's decided /v/ is worth attacking now, he's going to do another wave in probably an hour or so.

I'll have to wait for the PC version. That's not exactly an "if" situation given recent history.

>mods so fucking stupid they auto sage all final fantasy threads

just stop shilling it was a sign

This is the only non multiplayer game I've ever bought digitally. I NEED IT. Best FF.

They rebalanced Zodiac Age to be easier. It's fucking shit.

I have no idea who I'm going to give each job to.

So this is literally the only FFXII I can't play on Steam huh

what the fuck

I grabbed X/X-2 for $15, it's alright I guess. Not really interested in the Polynesian vibes.

>>383524542
someone tell me whats happening, threads are deleted before I can ask

>>383524363
man i really i can get on with battle system but i could not

>>383524363
So who here played IZJS? Which were the best jobs? Which jobs to avoid?

>>383524729
Nigga, relax. It'll obviously be coming to steam. Japs are just scared that everybody will pirate it if they don't release it on consoles first for a month or two.
You'll have to wait a bit longer but there's 0 doubt that it's coming to PC.

>>383524363
Do classes actually matter in the zodiac version? I remember choosing classes for everybody but it didn't feel like it made a difference at all

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>>383524676
Fucking mongoloid they actually made it harder. You should kill yourself Anon.

>>383524363
>Meltyfate thread
>Oooh-
>Archived almost immediately
FUCK POKEMON FAGS FUCK YOU FUCKS

is IZJS gameplay forced in the remaster or is there an option to pick the original license boards/vanilla gameplay?

>>383524452
I am so fucking tried of seeing responses where people are asking for games to be ported to the switch. Do not make it everyone else's problem that you bought a piece of shit console.

Either play your Nintendo games and be happy, or jump ship to a real console or get a PC

PC VERSION WHEN

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>>383525002
Wait the OP is an anime furry?

>>383524882
It doesn't matter now that you can pick 2 classes. Just do whtatever the fuck you want.

>>383524983
Not really.

>>383525024
Forced.

Almost want to buy a ps4 just for this

I play it on my ps2 every couple years, such a good game

>>383524363
Stop supporting sony fucking over videogames by buying exclusive time for remasters and other third party games.
You are the cancer.

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>>383524998
I assume you're talking about the changes made back in IZJS, which are not what I'm talking about.

>>383524363
>Will you be doing any sort of challenge runs?
Considering that I never finished XII or Zodiac version, I'll be just playing normally. Do as much as I feel like, play blind and follow my heart.

I'm kinda wondering what I'd do with the jobs. When I played Zodiac edition, I went with what suited to character, ether by their weapon of choice or by their first impression. Though I think that this time I just go with what I feel like.

>>383524896
>a month or two

It's usually around a year.

>>383524363
The remaster is garbage, as expected. Thank you Square Enix for outsourcing your beloved games to mindless Chinese drones because you want to spend the absolute minimum possible.

>>383524896
>p-please don't talk bad about sonys business practices #4theplayers
kill yourself

>>383524363
>Will you be doing any sort of challenge runs?
nah I already emulated IZJS ages ago

might play zodiac in 4-5 years when I feel like revisiting the story.

I'm going to do a run where I choose jobs that suit the characters. Since now I can give people 2 jobs, this will make the run even easier. Next run will probably be a run where I choose jobs that suit the characters stats.

>>383524452
I have the steelbook version coming tomorrow, but a Switch version would be too good since it would be portable.

>>383525434
Nintendo fag upset no decent FFs on his hipster handheld. So sad.

>>383525434
XII hasn't been outsourced at all. X did. XII has been worked on solely by square themselves, you autistic cunt.

>>383525286
What did they actually do to make it easier then? I haven't heard anything about TZA changing the enemies or the balance, asides from being able to take a second Job which will obviously make things easier.

>>383525062
Kill yourself, sonybro. You would be crying for a vita port if that thing was still used by anyone but hikos meganeets.

>>383525260
Anon please, exclusivity is absolutely shit but if a company pays up for development it has the right to do whatever it pleases. That's the least of the problems videogames are going through.

>>383525572
not him but at this point new square enix is an outsourced company compared to the old one. this remaster does indeed suck.

>>383525062
I have a PS4 and PC. I just want it on the Switch.

>Play up to a point after invading the door-gimmick laboratory

>Tier 3 spells are expensive as hell
>Grinding cash is slow as hell
>Regularly get wiped by random monsters
>Last three hours of play time have been grinding loot so I can afford spells so I can deal any sort of damage whatsoever

I gave up.

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>>383525286
The we hate Final Fantasy fad is over. /v/ is all about hating Monster Hunter now. Get with the times.

>>383525775
You either severely fucked up somewhere or you have no idea what you are doing.

>>383525572
>XII hasn't been outsourced at all
Wrong

>>383524363
Final Fantasy everything has a general on /vg/, go there.

/ffg/

>>383525632
If you looked you'd know that they rebalanced the game and the enemies around the double job system. In a screenshot from a trailer, enemies that previously had 3k hp in izjs now have upwards of 15k.

>>383526035

Fuck off with this mentality.

I better see someone autistically making and posting FFXII webms when it releases tomorrow.

>>383525956
Nope. Just natural game progression. You literally get dragged here by the story.

>oh hey I like this game
>would be cool if others could play it
>NO
>ONLY SONY DESERVES THIS UNRELATED 3RD PARTY GAME EXCLUSIVELY FOR A TIME
Why is it always sonyfags that can not enjoy videogames when people on other systems can play them?

>>383526384
12 emulates fine.

>>383525680
Bull shit. switch controller is garbage, and there isn't a reason to use it over PS4 or PC

You're just looking for any excuse to validate your purchase

>>383526359
And your whole party happens to be magic users who do no damage without tier 3 spells?

>>383524363
Second playthrough probably, something like full samurai or some shit like bare handed only

Do the stats REALLY matter when picking a job or can I just make any character whatever I want?

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>>383526274
I doubt we'll see that. I made a bunch for the emulated game though.

>>383526606
He likely hasn't been doing any of the monster quests or not turning in loot for prizes.

>>383525572
>XII has been worked on solely by square themselves
Do the slightest amount of research before you open your retarded mouth

http://www.virtuosgames.com/en/final-fantasy-xii-zodiac-age-announced-ps4

And yes, they are the same Chinese company that ruined FFX HD

>>383526359
>everyone makes it through the game fine
>you get stuck somewhere not even very far in
>"totally normal, this is natural"

>>383524983
Not really. You can pick the worst matchups possible and still breeze through. The game was never hard to begin with even back in the vanilla version with the exception of maybe one or two bosses.

>>383524882
Every job worked but machinist time mage and uhlan were the worst 3

>Steelbook coming tomorrow
>Gonna do a solo Ashe summoner playthrough

Can't wait bros. One of the most fun runs of any Final Fantasy game I've ever done was a solo Yuna run, because summons are always fun. Now that Espers can actually be controlled, this should be great.

Remaster removed Vaan's painted abs. 10/10 job, would buy again.

>>383526384
Honestly, it's probably mostly people false flagging. Whomever owns a ps4 usually owns a pc. And it's not about sony deserving anything, it's about sony paying for it. if a company helps with development it's only fair the company gets rewarded for it. Same with any other company, like nintendo for example, you don't see nintendo developed software going third party.

>>383526693
You can just do whatever you want. Of course if you minmax you be stronger but you can 100% the game with anything.

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>>383524363
I gonna do a "No Quickening" to make me use the Espers more probably.

>>383524729
It was blatantly made to be ported to Steam, the thing is they are probably holding it back for a year so they can get some double dippers.

>>383524882
IIRC you should have Basch as a Archer since he is the best one due his high STR (Tied with Vaan, but unlike Vaan he has poor other stats) and shortly after he joins you can get a absurdly good bow that lets him carry until everyone else gets their cool shit, the dual job system basically means you won't need to be so rigid.

Theory crafting from some old threads seem to suggest that Machinist/White Mage will be the best combination for a Healer-Support since Guns are ctutch weapons and it nets your primary Healer Time Magic. and RedMageBlackMage for a Nuker (Some redundancy, but it gives Black Mage Elemental boosters.)

Honestly you should just go for what you wan characters to use rather then what is optimal stats, since differences aren't THAT big, nor are the "LONG ANIMATIONS".

Vaan: Best or second best at everything but Vt, which has he be third best due "Main Character" privilege.
Balthier: GOTTA GO FAST, Tied for lowest Magic with Basch.
Fran: Highest Vit, Shit everything else
Basch: Tied for Highest STR, Shit everything else, Lowest Vit due having rotted in a Prison.
Ashe: Best Magic, but not as bad as Basch & Fran in other stats.
Penelo: Ashe with slightly less Magic and Physical offense and more Vit instead.

>>383527274
>you don't see nintendo developed software going third party.
mario on mobile

>>383526693
No. As has been stated the game isn't hard enough for that kind of stuff to even matter. Although you can end up wasting a lot of stat growth depending on characters. Like Ashe for instance as a black mage gets maxed out magic stat fairly early in like the 40s. So anything more is just a waste and that's a lot of wasted levels. The girls are more magically inclined in stats and the males more towards strength growth. So if you were optimizing you would give all the caster roles to the males and the physical to the girls. That way they would be getting better stat growth all around.

>>383527274
NIGGA IT'S A FUCKING LAZY ASS PORT OF A DECADE OLD GAME
SONY OWNS NO RIGHTS TO IT AND SQUARE IS FUCKING RICH

>>383527518
>The girls are more magically inclined in stats and the males more towards strength growth. So if you were optimizing you would give all the caster roles to the males and the physical to the girls. That way they would be getting better stat growth all around.
That's so fucking ass backwards and stupid.

>>383527021
They also added blur everywhere making it look like shit lol thanks guys

>>383527461
>gonna do a "No Quickening"
Do people really use them, iv'e played vanilla and izjs and holy shit they are completely useless in izjs

Wait what

Didn't this game come out 6 years ago. What's going on?

Can someone confirm that it's only the steelbox edition and the 200$ one that has the OG soundtrack as dlc.

Is magic still worthless compared to physical combo attacks

>>383527468
Mobile gaming is a whole different pile of steaming shit don't even get me started.

>>383527693
What are you even talking about? A company is rich so it should start giving away their products and undercutting profit? Valve is really rich, maybe they should start gifting everyone one game from their wish list one time a month, who the fuck do they think they are trying to get richer.

>>383527961
Anon...

>>383528024
just stop posting.

>>383528008
No you have access to both reorchestrated ost and ps2 ost in game, the dlc is a HQ ps2 ost, think CD quality

>>383528009
Now that it's on better hardware, there's no spell queue. So when your magic finishes charging, it casts. No waiting 8 years for Scourge to finally go through because someone else is using up the available particle effects.

anyone else buying it but cant be bothered playing thru it for the 6+ time?

>>383528235
Okay but you still hit mag cap way too fast

>>383528138
Wonderful how you contribute absolutely nothing and can't even articulate a proper sentence for your point. Go ahead and give me another (you) so you can have the last word and feel good about it.

>>383528264
I emulate it at 1440p every year or so, so I'm not really prioritizing picking it up

>tfw getting to listen to based Balthier and Judges voice acting again

>>383528397
It's not the same game though

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>>383524363
>more depth of field ruining cutscenes
>colors are messed up
>textures still PS2 tier
>nu-male font ruining the nice menus of the PS2 game
>30FPS
>PS4 exclusive for no reason

>>383527715
Yeah they really ramped up stat growth in this version. So you start seeing big returns a lot sooner and the license boards boost it even more and it gets ridiculous. I guess they were trying to reduce the grind? I'm not really sure as you didn't really have to grind unless you were doing the harder optional stuff. Maybe this is what they meant by making it easier. Might be able to do harder things at lower levels now because of the stat change. Although there already were low level runs so I don't see the point.

>>383527850
I remember oneshotting bosses in vanilla with quickenings.

>>383528470
Yes it is.

>>383528470
IZJS is emulable in English and this game is 99.5% the same as IZJS.

>>383524587
>>383524824
Someone bombed /v/ with a ton of threads with pokeporn or something. Pushed a ton of threads off page 10.

>>383528264
No. Why the hell would you buy a game and not play it? That's just wasteful.

>>383528519
Yeah some boards are really loaded with battle/magick lore, something like samurai has 14 magick lores with katana scaling with magic, it's insane

>>383528715
supported releases

you really think companies care if a game is good?

if it dont make dollars than it dont make sense

>>383528009
It's tons better without the magic queueand with no damage limit anymore but it still fails against physical late game because of comboing. But really that shit only matters in long fights like Yiazmat. Anything else is getting decimated too fast to make note of it.

A lot of people talk shit about the X remaster, can someon tell me why? I loved the original, and was planning to buy it when i go pick up XII tomorrow as well

>>383528472
>nu-male font
The memes are going to fucking far

>>383528857
No because you never needed magic at all you fucking retard. IZJS with the fast-forward button trivializes everything including the magic queue.

>>383528472
>an original ps2 exclusive
>paid for by sony
>ps4 exclusive for no reason

Relax anon, it'll come to pc in like a year.

>>383528909
What else would you call it/ The font in the base game was perfect and they ruined it. Most FF remasters have done this.

It's the nu-males.

whats different about the steel book beside the fucking case?

>>383528857
I can confirm that some combos make physial even more better it's absolutely crazy, magic is good, but physical is just so much better + you can do elemental damage

>>383528881
Some people have weak eyes that burst if they see something that unpleases them. For most people X remake is fine.
I'm sure there are comparison videos, check those out to make your own opinions.

Though from what I know, unlike with XII the X remake doesn't add or change anything at all, so emulating or playing the original PS2 gives the same experience.

>>383526908
>calls uhlan and time mage bad
>says nothing about archer

do not give advice for games you haven't played

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I only ever played the version without job systems when I was younger. Is there an official list of good job combinations so that you don't end up regretting your choices you made in late game?

Does it depend on the character to what job is useful/useless? Are your stats permanently changed by each job?

>>383528519
Aren't they bumping enemy stats too? Apparently some screenshots have enemies with more hp than they should normally have.

>>383529089
>PS3 and Vita exist
Fucking sonybro you're so stupid it hurts.

>>383529184
Oh fuck i completely forgot about them... thanks anon, see that's how bad they are i forgot them

>>383529235
Stats themselves aren't affected, but each board has a number of Battle/Magic Lore panels that buff damage in some way.

>>383524363
>Will you be doing any sort of challenge runs?
Yes, I will be attempting to beat the game

t. shit at RPGs but loved FF12

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>>383524546
WHOOOOOOOO

Whether you like the game or not, please for the love of God listen to the soundtrack.

It's amazing how Sakamoto was able to compose these long, grand scores to fit the game since battle and exploration transitioned instantly in the game.

The first time I realized I was fighting monsters and the "overworld" music was still playing,but fitting so nicely with the battle that was going on, I lost it.

i just ordered it from amazon and its coming next week. son bitch

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>>383529235
You can use 2 jobs, it doesn't matter any more what you choose since you aren't limited at all.

>>383528881
They remade the game from scratch but they forgot to make the models good. The facial animations are basically missing so characters look awful in cutscenes, it's really janky. The environments are worse looking for the most part too, because the art style was changed.

>>383529282
>anyone who disagrees my stupid ass opinion is a sonybro

Ps3 and vita are abandonware, makes sense they want to push ps4 sales. Why even bother porting it, the ffx ps3 and vita versions probably didn't even sell enough to make porting worth it.

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>>383527461
So if I wanted to make Ashe a samurai/Knight and Fran a shikari/foebreaker and it wouldn't hurt them too much in the long run due to their stats?

I was going to run probably Ashe/basch/penelo or Ashe/penelo/basch so I'm curious


I never really got into the original so I'm going in pretty fresh

Did they balance the difficulty in any way or main game still gets ridiculously easy if you go balls deep into hunts?

>>383529132
Nothing. It's a steelbook, a different case as the name implies.

>>383526501
Well there's going to be a keyboard attachment for the switch so...

>>383529115
>>>/pol/

>>383529115
More link Chinks don't give a fuck font

>>383529614
Overall the game is easier now.

>>383529445
A lot of little things in xii were really inspired honesty.

>>383529715
Why, because of dual classing?

Will this be coming to the PC?

>>383529846
And fast forward. You'll be like a god mowing down everything in seconds.

>>383529546
Quite the opposite, Ashe is actually BEST Samurai because her innate magic and the fact Sam gets Genji Gear makes her innate Cure and Sams Shades of Black hit like trucks.

And as said, it is only really a concern if you wanna min max.

>>383529985
Bash is actually the best samurai because he's got the fastest katana swing so more combos but yeah for the rest it's just optimisation

>>383524882
Basch: archer and whatever (probably ulhan or Knight)
Vaan: monk and ninja
Fran: red mage and breaker
Penelo: black mage and whatever
Ashe: samurai and whatever
Balthier: white mage and whatever (probably time mage)

>>383529546
>Elf San wa Yaserarenai
good taste anon

>>383529546
>So if I wanted to make Ashe a samurai/Knight it wouldn't hurt her too much in the long run due to her stats?

Samurai/Knight Ashe will probably be one of the strangest options in the game. Katanas scale with both magic and physical, samurai gets plenty of magic lores and knight plenty of battle lores iirc plus extra swiftness. So she'll dish damage like no tomorrow once you get genji gloves.

>>383530167
Actually give penelo Knight for that white magic

>>383529642
>there's going to
Are you seriously telling that's not a thing already? How are you supposed to communicate while playing shit like splatoon? It's gonna be a Nintendo™ keyboard isn't it?

>>383530094
Why does Basch have the fastest katana swing?

I still have yet to see high definition Ashe ass, until I see that I will not be satisfied.

>>383530529
I don't know the exact reason but he's got the fastest animation when he swings it

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>>383530210
You too anon

>>383530223
Oh fuck yeah sounds good to me. I don't know shit about effectively leveling or playing in this game but if I could figure out XCX I think it'll be okay

>>383530828
Oh because of the animations. That's really, really minimal.

>>383530919
Don't sweat it, it's not a difficult game plus it's singleplayer. You can go in blind, make plenty of mistakes and still end up 100%ing it. Who cares if you take a while longer or shorter to do it, overcoming challenges in rpgs is fun.

>>383531217
Oh yeah sure, the advantage basch has is minimal it only matters in optimal min maxing situations, ashe if prety strong with katanas too

>>383524363
>Will you be doing any sort of challenge runs?

Every character will be a Monk/mage variation.

You know what could potentially be kinda fun? An arena where you pitted your characters against other player's characters using nothing but gambits.

>>383529235

Not only are the choices permanent, you can and will also be permanently locked out of parts of the boards you choose depending on your combinations of jobs, wasting important spells and weapon options... and the game won't tell you how this works before long after it's too late.

The game is a nightmare for people looking to get the most out of their characters and not miss things.

Just about to finish FFX Remastered, it was breddy gud.
Why are you sperging out over it again?

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>>383533160
It's inferior to the original.

>>383533279
Holy fuck did they make it from scratch ?

>>383533279
Are you really that autistic? The remastered version is way better than the original.

>>383528695
>consolewar faggotry got pushed to page 10
Whoever did that porn dump, should do it when a big game gets released, the tug of war would be glorious

>>383526501
it'd be nice to play it on the go though, that's pretty much the 1 benefit to multiplats on the switch
but for RPGs I do like having them portable

>>383533279
hmm i did think she looked a bit off

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>>383533467
Yeah.

>>383534109
Good lord, thank god 12 is safe in that regard

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>>383534089
>puffy cheeked smile turns into serial killer stare

>>383534291
Biggest problem with the remaster to me was the character lighting. I think that made it look far worse than it actually was. The original has much better shading and shadows on the faces.

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>>383534508
It was basically removed in a lot of cases. Auron's glasses never leave a colored shadow on his face for example, when it did on PS2.

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>FF12 remaster shill thread #302

I would be more than happy to discuss the game, just not the abortive remaster that SE is shilling so hard. Forcing players to use a job-based system is NOT an improvement over the original game, which allowed your characters to master any licenses you wanted. If you want to play around with the idea of jobs or self-imposed challenges, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing this with the original non-job-enforced version of the game. Saying that you prefer having job restrictions forced down your throat doesn't justify forcing it upon the rest of us as well. SE and its most hardcore white knights are completely out of touch with the original FF12 fanbase.

No, I won't be purchasing the shitty remaster. It's a half-assed cash grab just like every other SE remaster, and you're either a shill or a massive tool if you think SE is going to make a sudden turn-around and actually release a quality port that doesn't look and run like utter shit.

>>383534891
that's a port not a remaster

their remasters are excellent for the most part

>>383534891
>Saying that you prefer having job restrictions forced down your throat doesn't justify forcing it upon the rest of us as well.
It's the other way around anon, you're the minority. You wanting it be be completely open doesn't justify forcing it upon the rest of us as well. The FFXII fanbase LOVED the international version, if anything it's you who's out of touch. Basically don't buy it and take your shitty opinion elsewhere, maybe the trash where it belongs.

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https://youtu.be/BCZ2OGOBdLQ?t=524

What the fuck is this nigger talking about? How does this DOF not impact the art style?

Just got mine in the mail a day early, about to start it up for the first time. Never played XII.

>>383530919
Source?

>>383524363
I still haven't chosen jobs yet. I kinda want to try some new stuff I didnt do last time I played. But with no magic queue I also want to let penelo or Ashe unload magic into everything's face constantly. 2 jobs is neat but I don't feel like swapping jobs constantly ot be able to melee or be able to cast on certain characters. though I think ashe's stats are good enough to do either with most armor types.

>>383526718
>Vaan and Ashe holding hands
This is why I give Vaan a pass where others don't. Plantonic bonding.

best theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgvaZ1F7Ox8

>>383537263
they aren't holding hands they're holding a phone you cuck

>>383536697
You don't swap jobs, you overlap them.

>>383530529
Its based on animations. there's two parts to animations, the single hit and the combo hits. Some characters will have really good single hits that come out and hit fast but really shit combos. And the same goes the other way, where they might have a really slow single hit but super fast combos with a weapon.

The time adds up if you fight a bunch, where say a 10 hit combo with katanas from ashe (slow as shit) might take 5-6 seconds, while basch or balthier could do that 10 hit combo in 3 seconds. Doesn't really matter unless either you're autistic or you're stuckin a super clutch moment where having someone finish combo faster could be a life or death healing item/spell. Realistically speaking it only matters on yaizmat

>>383537673
Of course, two people need to hold it for it to work, that makes perfect sense.

>>383537725
Yeah, I meant to say swapping armor.

>>383525062
This^ this guy is fucking right. You autisdos need to fuck off, I don't know who's worse, Switch fags or pcbros. You faggots scream about how your better and still whine when a real console exclusive comes out. Kill yourselves, you're not real gamers just fad hoppers

>>383525676
Explain?

>>383538409
they don't make good games like they used to

>>383524363
Is this shit getting a midnight release on PSN?

>>383538474
Not a real response, I take it your just fake and didn't actually play the port. Don't say shit when you have 0 idea what your talking about fuck boi.

>>383525062
>SonyJW: Nintenbros are salty cause now more people get to play monster hunter!
>SonyJW: WHY DO YOU WANT A GAME TO BE PORTED TO OTHER CONSOLES SO MORE PEOPLE CAN PLAY IT?!! JUST BUY A PS4 ALREADY GOY!!

>>383538820
I'll tell you want, gives us breath of the Wild on PC and PS4 then you can ff12,

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>>383538820
>SonyJW

>>383535950
Hope they fix this for the Switch and PC versions. Looks ugly.
That cinematic blur garbage doesn't work outside of Sony circles.

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/comfy/

>>383539271
>switch

dont make me post it anon

>$60
Nah senpai

>>383538643
...what?

>>383539382
I bet you kiss girls you lucky faggot
what class is vaan?

Can we have an official Best class post and discuss it. It's on it's way to me and I have yet to choose.
I did the same thing in IZJS.

>>383540108
it's the same game but you can choose 2 classes each character

So how does the double license board thing work? Do you have to switch between them or something?

>>383537998
You don't swap armor either

>>383539382
Have fun anon. I won't start mine until the end of the week since I'll be too busy but next weekend I'll be maximum comfy.

>>383540461
I would if I wanted to cast magic while wearing a bunch of heavy knight armor.

>>383540593
Oh yeah in that case that is true i forgot about it sorry

>>383526501
How is the Switch controller garbage?
It's one of the best controllers I've ever used.

The Switch is also a portable, so I don't see how you can say "there's no reason to use it"