What features from the modern wow would you want to see on the

None, that's the whole point of legacy servers.

LFR :)

>>383501465
But that's stupid
There literally no reason to keep shit like
>Can't talk with npc while in the druid form
>Can't talk with npc while on the mount
>No inbuild questhelper
>No pets and mounts page, you need to keep them in the bags

>>383501403
The new loot system

>Having pally gear drop on horde, shaman gear drop on alliance

>>383501754
pretty much this. bugs and unnecessary crap

>>383501465
fpbp

Something to do between raids. I fell for the vanilla meme and quickly there was nothing at all to do other than to wait for the next raid, preferably logged off so your buffs don't expire.

>>383502032
>Something to do between raids.

Doing something with your life maybe

>>383501754
I liked the lack of quest helpers

>>383502094
Why do you think I'm playing wow to begin with, retard?

>>383501754
>Inbuilt questhelper
>Pets and Mounts page
Nah, that's dumb casualization crap. Next you'll tell me you want Achievements.

Playing on Elysium, everything seems perfect to me. The only thing I want, is to be able to see Damage/Healing numbers on the Battleground scoreboard.

guild bank is nice

>>383502283
>UI improvements are casualization
I fucking hate vanillababbies

I think most would consider almost any changes to be the opposite of the entire point.
However some small things wouldn't be game breaking or game changing and pretty inconsequential.
>combat dummies in capitols
>barber shop (NOT transmog)
>functioning summoning stones outside of dungeons (added in tbc pre-patch).
Those are off the top of my head, but it does feel like a slippery slope in some ways and my default answer would be "no changes".
It's not a huge leap from training dummies to extra mailboxes, then suddenly after nu-blizz performs extensive market research we end up with reduced respec fees, dual spec, LFD, etc.
I think a few minor tweaks are ok but even something small like giving paladins crusader strike (which still wouldn't make ret viable) would create spergouts in the intended audience.

>>383502495
As a warlock, summoning stones really put a damper on summoning money.

If blizzard actually did make servers with older versions of wow i would want them to do a progression server starting with early patches of vanilla wow before battlegrounds and honor were a thing then progressivly updating the games major patches a little faster than it it progressed officially back in the day.

>What features from the modern wow would you want to see on the official legacy servers?
Support for new models. I think, thats it.

Isnt blizzard not even considering "legacy"servers per say and is doing some sort of harder mode of their "relevant"content? Like a regular wow server but no account wide mounts/toys, no dungeon finder, enemies are harder, leveling is harder, no flying. I would sub for that.

>>383501754
>No inbuild questhelper
As long as it is optional i dont see a problem.

>>383502032
raiding is a small part of vanilla wow though. A lot of people i knew only raided back in the day to get gear so they could have fun world pvping and dicking around with meme builds in 5 mans.

>>383502682
Yeah, I agree it could be a little dumb but it at least technically happened while vanilla was still live so thought I'd include it as an option.
I doubt official legacy would be a thing anyhow until retail is in "official" maintenance mode, and even then it would either be as an afterthought or with so much "improvements" that it wouldn't be anything people would like.
For modern players it would be too broken, for purists it would have too many QoL additions, etc.
I could be wrong, who knows.

battle.net chat
TBC style lfg
cheevos

>>383502495

Summoning stones were in BC, not vanilla, and that's a retarded idea. It makes Warlocks' summon spell much less valuable.

>>383502826
>Isnt blizzard not even considering "legacy"servers per say and is doing some sort of harder mode of their "relevant"content? Like a regular wow server but no account wide mounts/toys, no dungeon finder, enemies are harder, leveling is harder, no flying. I would sub for that.

I love the idea of a progression server, definitely.
From your quote, they had tossed out a "pristine server" idea in the fallout of the nostalrius shut down and meeting with blizzard, but it was quickly backtracked on as "just throwing it out there" as it got a lot of hate on the forums.
It was viewed as pretty half-assed, as simply removing dungeon finder and disabling heirlooms doesn't suddenly make the old world "vanilla" or even that much more difficult.
Still was interesting that they were even throwing an idea out there that previously would be unheard of. I doubt it would be a popular thing as it wouldn't satisfy current players or legacy crusaders. On it's surface its not the worst thing to fuck around with tho.

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nude mods

>>383501403
Basically no bugs like >>383501754
said and no pseudo turn based combat.

>>383502450
>the map literally showing you exactly where every quest is isn't casualization
???

Alliance Pandaren

I'm torn on itemization.
On one hand oldschool pants-on-head retard itemization is pretty fun for novelty of it, but some class really do get absolutely shat on by it while rogues get everything they need all the time.

>>383503408
They exist.

>>383503493
who cares, anyone worth their salt already knows every quest worth doing by memory

>legacy servers

NEVER EVER

>>383502450
why don't you read the quest text senpai

>>383503696

It even does it for new quests you gay dog

how do we fix raidlogging

>>383503879
kill normies

>>383501403
none, fuck off babby

>>383501754
>But that's stupid
>There literally no reason to keep shit like
>>Can't talk with npc while in the druid form
>>Can't talk with npc while on the mount
>>No inbuild questhelper
>>No pets and mounts page, you need to keep them in the bags

No it isn't. If it keeps us from scraping the bottom of the barrel and gaining people like you then yes we should keep everything that makes you unwilling to play.

>>383502495
what the fuck would you even transmog in vanilla?

Tauren can ride wolves/raptors. I never understood why they could only ride Kodo. Dungeon journal, but only to give explanations on the dungeon itself and not bosses. I like the flavor text.

>>383504316
>Watch out! This sneaky devil occasionally will dot their melee target with a bleed and cast thunderclap! Yikes!

>>383504428
kek, imagine the pages and pages of guides required to teach modern add wowbabbies what threat is though.

>>383503008
Except the only people who play vanilla are raiders.

I guess also some AV premades but that sure as hell isn't fun or interesting.

>>383504316
Was that changed at some point? Because I specifically remember seeing a tauren warrior riding a wolf in some vanilla pvp video

>>383501754
>Can't talk with npc while on the mount
but you could do that in vanilla

>>383504882
Pretty sure it was auto dismount

leveling toned down. Spending 200 hours to hit 60 is neetdom

>>383504861
I think it got added in later in the game, but only to wolves. I just remember my friend played a Tauren Hunter and couldn't ride anything but a Kodo for the longest time.

good raids

>>383505034
That's the game.

>>383501754
I agree with everything except quest helpers

Increase the rate at which durability goes down, reduce raw currency drops from mobs, increase exp required to level, lose 25% of your current exp if you have to spirit res.

>>383505034
But leveling is part of the game.

>>383501403
I don't understand why people act like the combat was better (or even good) in vanilla. Half the specs have 1 - 2 button rotations, and any complicated rotation is a result of specific mechanics working in awkward ways.
Some classes were missing vital spells that would make them have a rotation, and some would just autoattack and wait for procs.

Vanilla combat was complete and utter garbage. Raid mechanics were also far less diverse and interesting, and often required guess work to figure out how they work, rather than reading tooltips.

>>383501754
>mounts page
what for? you had one mount at lvl 40 and one mount at level 60 if you had money which not everyone had.
Then MAYBE a third one as a drop or pvp reward. If you need a mount page you're the 0.1%

>auto-loot without having to hold down shift
>improved API for easier and more efficient macros

>>383505325
>auto-loot without having to hold down shift

I'll do you one better. Have the loot pop up to your mouse when you loot rather than in the top left corner.

>>383505215
losing xp when dying is stupid

i had to sprit res a few times simply because of a bug or i got stuck

>>383505325
>auto-loot without having to hold down shift
>ninjaloot everything

>>383505228
The only mmo that actually did rotations right is XIV
Rotations always were cancer of the genre, pressing 1-3 spells is just plainly better
Go play mortal kombat if you want to put 3x-8x combos

>>383505228
not to mention the bullshit delay all abilities had

wasnt fixed untill mid tbc I think

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>>383501403
>official legacy servers

>>383505371

You can actually get a mod for that but it's impossible to mod auto-loot without holding shift.

>>383504153
this is why you'll never get vanilla servers, all you faggots want is your own circlejerk club. do you think blizzard would be retarded enough to alienate most their playerbase to suit your whims? you're part of a toxic community that's not even very profitable from a company's point of view

>>383505228
The combat is way better in PvP in vanilla.
Besides, "rotations" dont really mean anything to me. Playing a DDR minigame to do damage in raids doesn't make the game more fun to me

>>383505394
They don't have a choice, last 2 expacks were massive nostlgia baits, but now they literally have nothing to attract subs anymore
Do you honestly believe that people would care about sea and old gods, lol?

>>383504153
>bad mechanics are good because people don't like them enough to not play

this logic does my head in

>>383505469
Yeah who needs a rotation when you can just charge and delete people with white damage.

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>>383501403
>tfw if official legacy servers ever happen, all of these will be name changed

>>383505512
>They don't have a choice
yeah okay bud

>>383505512
>people would care about sea and old gods
Yep-

>>383501754
Let them change one thing and the changes will never end.

>>383505469
vanilla pvp was unbalanced shit.
I'd bet money that most people that want a vanilla server played one of the ~3 good classes that stomped pvp and pve, and not the pile of ones that were useless in all situations.
>mace stuns
>shaman one shotting on rng
>infinite CC with no diminishing returns
>full length CC in pvp, have fun being unable to do anything for 30 seconds
>no pvp trinket
>no minigames

The only fun part of pvp in vanilla was raiding cities and the lack of flying. I did enjoy that, and do to some extent miss the city raids, but I wouldn't trade balance and depth for it.

>>383505917
>no pvp trinket
What did he mean by this?

>complain about rehashes every time there's a new cod
>suck blizzard dick for a literal wow rehash
>/v/

>>383505512
Yeah man people HATED cthun and yogg-saron

no wait what's the opposite of hate

>>383505917
>mace stuns
>vanilla
It was bc, stupid wotlk kid
>caring about balance in the MMO
Just kill yourself
Go play moba, if you want trash like that

>>383505917
I honestly miss full length cc.

>>383505542
Why?

>>383506119
Found the Paladin.

>>383501403
Transmogging and roleplay servers.

>>383506004
You're an idiot if you think the two are comparable.

>>383506167
Because if they don't then he won't get to be angry those meddling sjws.

>>383504153
>let's make the game solely for a very fucking small minority of people
>we'll be rolling in profit!

Look at SF5

>>383504153
So with posts like these why do you people bitch so much for legacy servers when your private server wonderlands should be the perfect utopia for you with their extra bugs that vanilla didn't have?

>>383506289
They are not just comparable, they are identical.

>>383506291
But none of them are offensive in any way.

the only people who actually want a legacy server are underage fags who never got to play it first hand, and only heard about how great it was from nostalgia-blinded old fags, or their only experience with "vanilla" was in a shoddily scripted private server with custom, not 100% accurate mechanics

>>383506119
>t. Rogues

>>383505917
Every single class is good in vanilla pvp, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>383506089
dumb dumb, unstoppable force build was one of the first meme builds along with windfury multi procs.

Mace specialization talents added a chance to stun, the unstoppable force was a mace with a chance to stun. There were no diminishing returns.

>>383505917
Mace specs were terrible in Vanilla and were good in BC, Enhance shamans were the most easily kiteable class in the game, diminishing returns were added halfway through vanilla, there were ticks every 2 seconds or so with a chance to break sap and sheep, pvp trinket was added with the honor update, and gurubashi arena, fishing tournament, capture-the-towers, and the weird silithus shit were all pretty much pvp minigames, no matter how terrible they were.

You have succeeded in saying absolutely nothing applicable, and this is very impressive.

>>383506496
Those nostalgia goggles are cutting off the blood flow to your brain.

>>383506390
Clearly you never played on nostalrius or a vanilla server before. Those items are constantly used in chat to make racist jokes.

>>383506089
You might want to double check Anon. Mace Spec was a thing in Vanilla for both Warriors and Rouges.

>>383506372
>Thinking I'll take your bait

>>383505228
>He fell for the vanilla meme

Vanilla had like, one or two things better than retail. Combat and raiding is not one of them. It's mostly the difficulty and quests that aren't hand-held. Also, drops actually mattering and not just being stats you replace.

But that's really about it.

>>383501403
Auction houses in every capital city.

>>383506597
Name 1 class that's bad in vanilla pvp and I'll tell you why you are wrong.

>>383501754
how fucking new are you?

>>383506772
spriest

>>383506734
Yeah terrible but interesting itemisation is the main thing vanilla has over live (where it's terrible and boring).

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>>383501403
None, legacy servers are a gay idea. Let that era die peacefully while you still think it's good, you won't remember it as fondly if they bring it back...

>>383506679
>Rouges
There's always that guy in every thread spelling it that way

>>383505523
>bad mechanics
druids in D&D can't talk to npcs, wow used to be a MMORPG for a reason.

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Nothing, even the bugfixes. I want pure vanilla in all of its glory. If you add in one thing from modern WoW people will petition to add in other things, and on and on and on until it's no longer vanilla.

>>383505383
if by 'doing it right' you mean tedium incarnate as you watch the same slow ass animations hit creatures with no real effect for ten seconds until they die. And then in raids, you get the pleasure of doing that for 15 minutes whilst dodging red areas. FFXIV is so good.

>>383506839
I hope this is bait because they are one of the best

>>383506871
I loved playing a Rooge back in Vanilla Anon.

>>383506839
Please that's what spawned facemelting, spriests were insane with good gear

>>383506442
/thread

Vanilla is shit. People need to get over it.

>>383506772
In what context? Battlegrounds everyone had a valid roll to fill but in 1 on 1 hunters were fucking awful if they got jumped.

You could root them and stand in their dead zone and completely stop them from attacking you.

>>383506904
>If you add in one thing from modern WoW people will petition to add in other things
this is one of the reasons they will probably never release legacy servers

>>383506917
>muh faster is better

fuck you for making blizzard ruin every slow spec

>>383506839
spriests completely nullify most mana-based classes.

>>383506760
What city didn't have AH?

>>383501403
Legacy servers aren't fucking happening you turbo autist. Go fucking die of cancer

>>383506984
>try to put on dot
>six seconds to cast
>die before it ticks twice

>but if you outgear your enemy by like two tiers you can beat him!

>>383507048
It's not about speed. It's depth. FFXIV doesn't have it.

>>383507119
Thunderbluff. Dunno bout ally though since i only played Horde.

>>383504719
>threat being a mechanic

Please no, that's the only casualization thing I've been a fan of. DPS players are autistic and that hasn't changed over time.

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>>383507129
Inb4 reflect

>>383501403
they won't do any of it cause then they'd have to agree with fans that there is a bad part to retail wow and they have never done that unless it was a "bug"

If it's 1.12 i don't want it, that's just Pre TBC

I want Vanilla pre Battlegrounds

>>383507159
>be shit
>die

color me surprised

>>383507034
You're fucking kidding me, hunters are one of the absolute best classes in 1 on 1 pvp in vanilla. If a warrior gets the jump and charges you, you just feign death + freezing trap, run away, aimed shot, get intercepted, concussive shot, run away again, concussive shot, and then they can't do shit for another ~30 seconds until intercept comes back off cd assuming they don't pop bloodrage and cancel it to get out of combat and charge again, and that's the absolute worst case scenario out of all the classes.

>>383507414
They did it with starcraft and a diablo 2 remaster is a possibility in the future, if the latter happens there's no reason to not think it will also happen to wow.

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>>383503408
Does anybody like Lewds?

>>383507180
Pretty sure it had an AH, right next to the forge/anvil, bread vendor.
I know I used a tauren as my banker alt back then, but it was a long time ago so it's possible i'm mixing it with tbc stuff.

>>383501403
Just back end changes (netcode and rendering optimizations, etc.).
>but muh stopcast macros
Those were stupid and just rewarded playing next to a data center.

>>383507034
>NOT EVERY CLASS WAS VIABLE
okay tell me which one and ill tell you why you're wrong
>w-well every class might have been viable in BATTLEGROUNDS but not in 1v1s
wow shocking development, game that was never meant to be balanced in 1v1s isn't balanced in 1v1s
kys senpai

>>383507663
Only org and if had auction houses.

>>383507663
Yeah it was there in vanilla, but i didn't think from the start.
At the very least it wasn't linked with Org, so it didn't matter.

>>383507458
git gud

>>383507781
>>383507783
Pretty sure that was changed early on but I'd have to look up the patches to say. Same with linking them.

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>>383507013
Tell that to my modern day guildies. They remember vanilla and BC as the pinnacle of WoW, and won't look at it objectively and see all the garbage the game was flooded with.

>>383501754
>can't talk with npc while in the druid form
>can't use pots
>can't use any item
>can't use spells like barkskin

>>383507498
no, the worst case scenario is they get rooted or snared and their attacker sits in their dead zone like I said earlier.

There was a 5 yard gap where you would be too far away to be hit by melee but too close to be hit by ranged. Did you even play?

>>383507885
>>383507781
>>383507783
I looked it up, so yeah it was in vanilla but only as of 1.9.

>>383507890
because nu wow is worse in every aspect

>>383506839
Spriests were garbage against any non mana class.

If they went up against a mana class they could manaburn over until there wasn't any mana left to be attacked with.

>>383507907
fuck off randy

>>383507918
Hunters are considered a good 1v1 class, even with the deadzone. Just because you had some issues doesn't mean fucking shit.
Every class had a spec that was usable for 1v1, some were obviously better than others, and the real issue was that often that spec was so niche that it wasn't good for anything besides duels anyhow.
The point is there were options, no matter how inconvenient they might have been.

That's neato burrito that you were a shitty hunter and your opinion is very interesting.

>>383507918
>There was a 5 yard gap

8 actually, melee attacks get at you within 5ya so you would need to stay between 6 and 8.

It was changed to 5 (so hunter could still melee) in tbc, ZA patch.

>>383508034
But that was how it was for feral druids in vanilla. Receiving a health stone from a warlock seemed so pointless

>>383508008
>nu wow isn't worse than vanilla

What did he mean by this?
The only bad things are LFR and Ragnaros players.

>>383507719
This is autism.

They really need to bring ID's back.

I haven't been posting with you. I literally only made the one post which agreed with you in a battleground scenario but proved you wrong in 1v1 which was most pvp in vanilla.

You need to stop getting so upset, projecting and strawmen will not make you whole.

>>383507651
I have the same mod, but the less extreme version, which is still a bit too much.

>>383507907
fuck off

>>383501754
No mounts in booty bay fucking pissed me off

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>>383501403
Available quest show up on minimap.

>>383508294
>tfw you play on horde and all the females are unfuckable except blood elves

>>383507918
Let me guess, you played a hunter and had no idea what you're doing. Let me walk you through the druid matchup.
1. Druid casts roots on hunter with a ~4s cast time because they're being attacked by both the hunter and a 1.3atk/s broken tooth. Druid can dodge this with natures swiftness, but then will never be able to get a healing touch off.
2. Hunter pops pvp trinket to get out of roots and continutes shooting the druid.
3. Druid casts roots again as they continue to get pummeled.
4. Druid attempts to walk into the hunter's deadzone, but by the time they get there the hunter has almost no time left on roots because it's in the second phase of diminishing returns. The druid has time to cast maybe one spell while being torn into by broken tooth.
5. Roots is now useless and the hunter can do whatever the fuck he wants.

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>>383501403
>What new WoW features would you like in a recreation of old WoW

>>383508235
And making stats meaningless. LFR and stats. Everything else in modern WoW is better, and it's not even close.

But let that retard talk about a game he clearly didn't play, or played when he was 8 or some shit. These people never fucking learn.

>>383501403
I wouldn't trust Blizzard with adding any of them

100% vanilla or bust

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>>383508425
>he hasn't jerked off to mimbihi

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>>383508425
>Orcs, goblins and trolls not being fuckable
Belves are probably the least fuckable, my man.
Boring as fuck and usually played by retards.

>>383507651
nelf booty on point

>>383508114
>hunters are considered a good duel class

FTFY.

They were garbage if they didn't have their traps and flare up before hand. I never played a hunter in vanilla, I played druid and rogue and I operated in that dead zone. You didn't even need to gouge a hunter because you could just strafe into the deadzone while re-positioning.

In a duel they were definitely hard to beat in duels and they were godly in BG's where they could backline.

I'll admit to using reflectors for the edge in duels but that shit was never needed out in the world.

>>383508235
>4 raid difficulties
>flying
>artifact power
>pruned classes
>fun eliminated in BGs
>world quests though I like these more than dailies
>cross realm zones
>dead realms
>no sense of community
>heirlooms
>achievements
from the top of my head

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>>383508474
>t. someone that has issues pressing more than 2 buttons

>>383508748
WHY does WoW not have thongs yet?

>>383508436
see
>>383508676

also what is clearcasting and how does it fuck your whole plan up? Rooting was free healing against a hunter. You could even kill the pet and then use the root time to restealth.

Hunters were trash against anyone that could manipulate the deadzone.

>>383508780

Okay, so yeah, you've literally never played vanilla, got it. Don't know why I expected soemthing else.

Vanilla rotations were fucking stupidly simple compared to retail.

>B-But you could choose from all your spells!!!

>>383508425
>not wanting QT undead girl
Lolfag

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>>383508676
hunters were good, 99% playing them were shit because it was one of the easiest classes to level and do well at low level but then that takes a 180° turn at the level cap.

I know, I've played hunter from vanilla to early cata.

>>383508848
Because it still makes Blizzard money as a 'real' game. When it actually dies, they'll start throwing in the fanservice everywhere probably turn it F2P.

It probably will never die, though. It'll just relaunch or some shit.

>>383508881
There weren't even rotations. For the most part there was the big cooldown button, the button you spammed and if you were lucky a utility button.

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>tfw no gnome gf

>>383508664
>>383508748
>>383508969
BRAAAAAAAAARRRPPPPPFFFFTTRRSSSSPPPRR

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>>383508881
>Vanilla rotations were fucking stupidly simple compared to retail.

pfhahahha spot the newfag that thinks modern wow is hard.

See pic? That is (you)

>>383508969
Nice..but not enough to quench my thirst though i do enjoy some of the slutmogs they have added

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>>383508969

>>383508976
Cool, I killed GM hunters with no effort because of the deadzone.

That class was designed to be ignored and couldn't handle any pressure.

>>383509073
Good argument. Come back when you've actually played Vanilla, you mouth-breathing retard.

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>>383509054

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>>383509117

>>383509117
Weeew lad any undead?

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>>383509216
Sorry friend but not

>>383509173
You didn't propose an argument either and started with ad hominems, (you) aren't even worth wasting time, know just for a fact that whenever a veteran comes back to your shitty game no only he gets to 3k rating and steals the R1 like it's nothing or clears whatever mythic raid shit you have been stuck on for a year easily, but he also disappears calling the game shit, because it is but keep thinking you are playing something super complex because you see big numbers on your screen brainlet.

>>383509336
Lucky for you ive fapped to nelf for years

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>>383509205
Dwarves with that mod are the best, though. Dwarves in general are the best.

>tfw no exclusive femdwarf guild with regular orgies in Ironforge

>>383503408
>>383507651
>>383508748
>>383508969
>>383509117
>>383509205
>>383509336
why textures so shit? Mode supposed to be good or their size limited by blizzard?

this thread is full of normie cancer, purge it OP

How's wow in it's current state? I've been itching for an MMO but haven't touched wow since early MoP for a couple of months.

Am I better off going with BDO or FFxiv or something else?

Or are all MMOs complete shit anyway

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>>383509410
>>383509421

linked neutral auction houses, training dummy and barber shop

rest is fine

>>383509439
>why textures so shit? Mode supposed to be good or their size limited by blizzard?
It's blizzard's fault

>>383509472
BDO is f2p
It's already good enough reason to never touch game
xiv is just better than all competition, doesn't make it good

>>383509474
how did blizzard manage make such fuckable races

>>383509439
Because the mod changes the model and the textures wrap around it, making them stretch. It looks bad because that particular mod changes the model quite a bit.

Also because it's zoomed in.

>>383509439
Armour models and textures designed 14 years ago starting to show their age.
The character models got an update recently but it doesn't really matter when most of the armour looks like shit.

>>383509472
its fun for awhile especially if you just play it casually
there are some problems with the game but overall its fine

https://www.felmyst.com/
Who hyped?

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>>383509582

>>383509582
those are mods my man
real models look nothing like this and cant be naked

>>383509698
Has anyone made a mod to make worgens look better?

>>383509671
warmane is pretty coo

>>383501403
I feel like changes for purely cosmetic stuff, like wardrobe, is fine.

>>383508854
Clearcasting was mana reduction, mate, not pushback prevention. I did forget that druids have a talent to prevent it on entangling roots, but they're still fucked for healing touch, wrath, and starfire, and they still get ONE (1) 6-second time window to both get in position and do something until the hunter has free reign.

And as far as your "they were grabage if they didn't have their traps and flare up beforehand," it's complete bullshit because you can put a trap up with FD, and rogues can't trinket out of freezing trap. PVP-specced equal-geared hunters still win even if they get opened on because they can still create and maintain distance.

>>383509472
BDO is an AFK simulator and little else. Don't be fooled, trust me on this one.
XIV is basically weeb WoW. Does aesthetics and story a little better, everything else is garbage. People are playing it because it's flavour of the month and it's not cool to play WoW anymore. Well, that, and they're weebs. Strange how they shit-talk wow so much when they're playing a carbon copy, with catgirls instead of orcs.
WoW is okay. It's been worse, Legion's actually been kind of decent, the only thing people really don't like is the artifact weapon, which is just the worst decision they've made in a while. The game itself is fun, though, if you overlook those things. The class campaigns are pretty cool.

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>>383509754
I wish someone would because Blizzard sure isn't doing it

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>>383508702
>4 raid difficulties
Separates shitters from good players, not a problem. Mythic is super fun if you can get to it
>Flying
That's a problem with TBC for introducing it, you can't blame modern WoW for being forced to follow through with what the devs fucked up years ago to avoid frothy mouthed autists from raging
>artifact power
Visible endgame and power creep you can feel instead of imaginary endgame
>pruned classes
You didn't play vanilla, if you wanted to be competitive in Vanilla you used specific builds with about as much variation as modern WoW
>fun eliminated in BG's
Subjective, I still have fun stomping people
>world quests
Literally optional after you hit 860. (Also a problem caused by dailies way back in the day)
>Cross-realm zones
They fixed this in Legion so you can only phase into the leaders server when you're in the same zone, so we don't have rare-sniping faggots
>dead realms
Make a new character or pay for a character transfer on a populated realm. That's what happens when the game is 13 years old and fags make up reasons to hate the game and then quit
>no sense of community
I have a great community on my server and a wonderful guild. Sounds like you aren't trying enough
>heirlooms
Optional, you can level in grays if you want, nobody is forcing you to buy heirlooms if you really like leveling that much
>achievements
Not a Legion problem, take it up with devs of the past. I only like cheevos because it lets me link progress to people

I put too much effort into that post, but all of your complaints are non-issues.

>>383509723
Oh i know that but even the vanilla models i found myself fapping to years ago seeing nelfs/belfs in slutty outfits was good enough

>>383506034
Were C'thun and Yogg the main attractions of Vanilla and Wrath?

>>383509921
oh you're just memeing, my bad

>>383509921
>replying to the obvious troll that admitted to not actually playing vanilla before

You fucked up

>>383509598
>>383509585
so this is >>383509336>>383508969
>>383508748 blizzard armor?

Models, server stability, nost level player counts

they would have to rework all classes probably
i dont think alot of people would enjoy autohit as a maindmg source seems really outdated
also adding more quests to all zones so you dont have to farm mobs at some levels

>>383509898
>>383509754
that would be furry level of degeneracy.

>>383510516
I want furry worgen and pandaren tits

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>>383506442
>the only people who actually want a legacy server are underage fags who never got to play it first hand

Uh huh.

>>383510203
>>383510313
It's more for the faggots in this thread unironically saying vanilla is good and modern is bad. They have no real arguments and just grasp at straws

>>383510401
Yes. There's quite a few clothes/armor like that in the game.

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>tfw you've been hanging out in goldshire for so long that people recognize you by name.

>>383508294
What mod?

>>383509898
>
>>383509698
more?

The rage that was spewed from Blizz shutting down popular private servers has abated.

They don't have autists flooding them with demands for private servers anymore. Therefore, it's never happening. I was all in favour of official vanilla servers, but in the end, Blizzcucks were right, vanillafags just didn't keep enough pressure on Blizzard and it blew over. Showing that there isn't really enough interest.

>>383509921
Defend the RNG progression, I dare you.

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>>383510868
Liking what you see?

>>383510645
When you said there's nothing wrong with dead servers you lost all credibility

>>383510909
Probably because there have been quite a few new servers that have gone up in the past year.

>>383501403
LFR

>>383510997
Keep em comin lad

>>383501754
>No inbuild questhelper
Kill yourself.

Any game with an open world kills most of the world if you add in quest markers and shit. If you are told exactly where to go every time, you might as well build a linear corridor instead. The fun of open worlds come from exploration, and if you're going to decide to completely remove the need for exploration, you have no need for an open world.

I imagine there are a ton of people who ruined BotW for themselves by looking every single sidequest or secret from the internet, simply because they were too lazy to spend a little time looking for it themselves. It's like they willingly turn everything in a game into a chore just to get the carrot that the game offers for doing it, rather than enjoying the game itself.

>>383511035
Name one with the same playerbase that nostalrius had.

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>>383511068

>>383511147
Proceed.

>Heroic ToS
>Just get Gold/AP along with useless non-Tier gear
Fuck Legion, how can anyone stand this bullshit RNG?

>>383511139
elysium
10k now on all servers, can reach 18k furing weekends
If they didn't go full retarded and decided to timegate content on the new servers I would still play

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>>383511201

>>383511139
Elysium usually has 6k+ and Warmane CLAIMS to have in the 10s of thousands but that's probably just inflated.

The interest in private servers had definitely increased after the whole Nost thing.

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>>383511287

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>>383508425
Wrong

>>383511245
>>383511294
Huh, never thought Elysium took off, but then again I stopped paying attention to private server WoW once I got a job . I really hope Blizz shuts them down, not because I'm a no fun faggot, but because it'll restart the whole "We want vanilla servers" drama that needs to happen if the world ever wants to see official vanilla realms.

>>383511287
My diick

>>383511597
>I really hope Blizz shuts them down


I honestly hope they don't. I don't trust modern Blizzard to do things correctly.

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>>383511642

>>383511757
Lovin that booty

>>383511667
I don't think they're that stupid. They're 100% aware of what people want from vanilla servers (i.e not "pristine" retardedness). If they decide to implement vanilla servers and fuck it up, the fallout would destroy them. (Not Blizzard in general, but the World of Warcraft division of it)

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>>383511947

>>383512043
Fuck i might resub just to jack off to mods
all the nelf booty i can handle

>>383512043
isnt it kinda weird that everyone in that picture roleplays as a shemale?

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>>383512127

>>383510980
That's actually the only thing I don't like this xpac and ill grudgingly give you

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>>383512236
That time again.

>>383512034
>i.e not "pristine" retardedness
That's exactly what people want because if they start changing things I guarantee they'll fuck it up.

>>383512316
It's the main reason I unsubbed.

As long as you can recognize that, that's all I care about.

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>>383512339
I wish, but blizzard removed that time.
>tfw no rampaging infernals and doomguards
>tfw no volchan or blasted lands drake

>>383512619
custom ui's always look so shitty

>>383512236
more?

>>383512034
>I don't think they're that stupid
I tend to agree but honestly am not that sure anymore. The "pristine servers" idea was basically a throwaway that they later backtracked on, but that even being a thing was retarded.
Obviously it's all ultimately about money for potential legacy servers in general, and if they determine that they'd be more successful with tons of QoL features added then they would likely go with it.
I'm hopeful that they would (rightfully) assume that that wouldn't satisfy either audience but who knows, they've made some really dumb decisions in the last 4 years and often double down on those.
It makes me think that they're either wildly out of touch or that WoW is currently an after-thought at blizzard. And with declining subs but the 100% big income every two years with xpac box purchases and extensive time-gating to keep the dudes who never unsub around, maybe being an afterthought is justified.

>>383512619
holy shit that middle Ui looks so familiar i think i had the same one during tbc

>>383501403
Graphics settings, like you can turn it down to Vanilla myeyeshurt mode, WotLK, WoD models, ect.

AoE loot.

Conjuring Tables for Water / Food, Warlock not having to farm a billion shards, Warlock healthstone table, Warlock summoning door. Still require shards but you'll only need like 10 shards a raid night instead of 50.

Link the Mage table into the level 60 water quest or maybe make the table something you can get from Hydraxis rep, ect.

Addon support. Cast Bars and DoT timers built the fuck into the game. DoT / HoT limit removed or increases which they did later on in Vanilla anyway.

Legion LFG function, the one you manually have to use to find people.

Balanced racials.

>>383512608
Damn shame, This xpac has a lot of shit going for it but RNG forging and leggos dampen the fun for serious players

>>383501754
How about you fucking neck yourself?
>baww I don't want to read queeests!

>>383513003
racials should just be removed there are always problems with them
one always has to be on top
retail is full of fucking blood elves now because they have the most op racial
fucking min maxer i miss when everyone just played what they thought looked cool

>>383513462
>Racials should be removed
No

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If you'd want to change even 1 single thing about vanilla, You're a faggot who doesn't even know what made vanilla good in the first place. All of these suggestions i see are stupid and are the exact things that caused the game to become trash.

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>>383513462
>Pick Troll Warrior because I wanted to be like those Axe Throwers
>My racials are irrelevant

>>383513580
atleast make an argument please
the game would be better without racials since there is nothing in the back of the mind of players anymore when chosing races
if i want to be a gnome warrior i should not be sad that 5% int is useless for me

>>383513649
Vanilla was garbage compared to anything that came after it faggot, take of the nostalgia goggles

>>383513649
are you saying that vanilla was literally flawless?
there is really nothing you would like to change?

I wish just one person would admit they don't actually want Vanilla back. They want to be 15 and not a care in the world before MOM and DAD started saying "Son you are 27 you need to get a fucking job holy shit move out"

fix vanish

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>>383513649
>Purists think QoL buffs are bad
>QoL buffs added in TBC and WotLK, expansions considered superior to Vanilla no less

Give me a decent reason why AoE loot shouldn't be in Vanilla.

Give me a decent reason why Vanilla Gryphon rides should take two-three times as long as they do now.

Give me a decent reason why Mage and Warlock need to login 15 minutes before everyone else to make food / water for the raid or collect soul shards for summons / cookies.

QoL is about reducing wasted time, and time is money friend.

>>383506904
so basically what happened to OSRS

>>383509898
so how I I gett this mod?

>wanting to buff every single raid member individually with a 3 minute long raid buff

lmao @ fucking retarded vanilla fags

none except for texture and model updates

>>383514834
Because this is that makes game a game

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>>383501403
>LFG
>personal loot
>transmog system
>Goblins
>rogues generate personal combo points instead of per-mob
>raid difficulty settings
>mythic+ dungeons
>heirlooms
>achivements
>pet battle system

its almost as if the game has done nothing but improve...

>Give paladins Divine Storm and Crusader Strike
>give shamans dualwielding
>give druids treeform and buff moonkin talents

>>383501403
i'd like to see WoW die because it ruined the entire MMORPG genre for as long as it exists; nobody wants to make an actually good, unique MMO anymore, they just copy WoW to try and get some of them WoWbucks.

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>>383516093
funfact:
if wow dies then the industry will just try to make ANOTHER WOW instead of improve in any other way.

You may not like it but WoW is what PEAK MMO performance looks like.

>>383501403
Model updates and reputiation not getting deminishing returns (or whatever you wanna call it) upon lvl gain

>>383516093
>nobody wants to make an actually good, unique MMO anymore
I wonder why
And I doubtit has anything to do with wow

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>>383509754
>>383509898
yes

>>383501754
>needing questhelper in the first place
JUST READ THE QUEST LOG YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING NIGGER

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>>383516289
>WoW is what PEAK MMO performance looks like
then why is it worse than:
everquest
ultima online
asheron's call
dark age of camelot
anarchy online
meridian 59
and shadowbane?

>>383514834
You're not making any argument at all though.
Gryphon rides being shorter = better gamplay? Why not just give everyone instant teleport fast travel.
Mages need to create food and water? Why is that a bad thing?
Literally the only thing I agree with is that Warlock soul shards should stack, rather than taking up your whole inventory.

Preperation for a raid made it feel more rewarding and more fun.

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>>383516532
>all these factually wrong opinions

holy shit ask your handler to end your miserable life please

>>383514681
No i don't think its perfect, but all of the suggestions here are from dumb WoTLK babbies.
What would make vanilla better?
>Better PvP system, More rewarding to play for non-hardcore rankers, More rewarding to play premade vs premade for hardcore rankers. The current PvP system just makes hardcore rankers stomping pugs all day and there aren't enough good pvp loot rewards for the non-hardcore.
>Better non-raid content/loot from dungeons (The tier 0.5 sets were a good step for this)

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>>383501403
Enemy cast bars. There were mods for that, though. In fact, I think one of them was called exactly that.

>>383501403
other races and the improved griffins but that's it
vanilla recreated in cata or mop server when?

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>>383517125
improved griffins wasnt till WoD, nerd

>>383501403
Raise boss health and increase debuff slots

>>383515923
>downgrade
>good
>good
>good
>good
>downgrade
>ultra downgrade
>singlehandedly killed leveling
>stupid yet harmless
>dead content

>>383516076
>Give shamans dual wielding
Nope fuck that, 2h wf procs one hitting people in bgs was fun as fuck
>>383516093
There must always be a WoW. Even after wow dies something will take it's place, then we will be seeing the 'new wow killer' that copies it.

>>383517824
WoW 2.

Poll features like osrs. There are some retarded things about vanilla that had been said in this thread that definitely should change. But poll everything

>383516452
And this is a working downloadable retail mod?, it looks fucking great why didn't we get this.

>>383516452
>>383518639
Fucked up the reply.

>>383501754
Yeah also no reason to not keep poop like:
>LFG tool
>achievements
>faster leveling
>cataclysm changes in the world
>welfare epics
>flying mounts
>daily quests
I can't properly raid if these things aren't in. It just takes too much time otherwise. My wife's son doesn't let me play enough.

>>383518727
Yes, but keep in mind you can get banned for using these. It's not a mod in the same sense as addons. You'll need to create an account on darknest (it's the first result on google) and you'll easily be able to find his thread in the model editing section. His username is shearx.

No wotlk features

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Why can't I just have this haircut