https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCZ 2OGOBdLQ

>PS2 version looks best

>>383498829
Holy shit this voice.
Had to set speed up to 1.25 to make it bearable.

>>383498829
Lighting is COMPLETELY FUCKED.
I hope that when it comes to PC, it will have an option to turn off the new lighting like Lightning Returns (at least in that one, new lighting looked good).

>>383498829
Why don't they do Emulator against remaster comparisons?

>>383500058
Also that godawful Depth of Field in gameplay sections when PS2 only used it for cutscenes (with a good reason)
Good god I want to like this but I really fucking hate these two visual changes.

>>383498829
Wow they really did a lot work to the game.

Some of the rounded edges on the ui elements look bad on the remaster but other than that it seems to look way better than even the emulated version.

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>>383500152
The entire 2nd half of the video is an emulator against remaster comparison.

I like the idea of them giving you two jobs per character now, gives you a bit of flexibility. However waiting for about a year or so when they'll finally release the PC version just for that... Damn, I dunno.

Can't wait for the GLORIOUS PC GAMING version for real native 4K, not the shitty upscale checkerboarding shit on console shit

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>>383498829
HOLY SHIT IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL
I'm so fucking happy you have no idea

>>383500152
How about you watch the video retard? Protip, they do.

Emulator is inferior to remaster, just like FFX

Wait for PC version for superior 4K image quality

Better:
>2 Jobs per character instead of 1 like in IZJs
>Spells/Attacks are no longer buffered so you can do a shitton of them at once

Worse:
>Awful new lighting
>Depth of Field in gameplay

Middling:
>Texture upscaling better for the most part but visibly worse when it comes to finger detail around edges
>Forced remixed soundtrack, you need to buy the original one as Paid fucking DLC

This remaster in a nutshell.

>>383500726

You never played IZJS. The two jobs is new to this release. IZJS locked each character into a single job. You completely disregard all the other things they added in from the IZJS version as well such as a speed up button, level 1 mode, boss rush mode, etc and rebalanced and additional items/spells.

>>383498829
>The PS2 version unironically looks better
You can't make this shit up, sony subhumans on suicide watch.

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>Can't even hit 4k on an old ass PS2 game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP0EpnwWD4

PC is clearly superior to console plebs

>>383501263
Anon that's X, not XII.
There's no PC version of XII yet but when it does come I'm sure it will be better on your expensive gaming PC :)

>>383498829
When will they remaster IX?

>>383498829
>30fps
>Developed by Virtuos
I don't get why they keep giving remasters to these people.
They fucked up with FFX, Arkham, Heavy Rain, Ezio Collection and now with FFXII. They're just a giant fucking red flag when it comes to remasters' announcements.

>>383498829
Looks pretty good to me. I can't wait to play it, just got a shipping confirmation from Amazon too.

>>383501552

Probably let them have it because all that really matters for this western release is all the added shit from IZJS and the two jobs. The resolution boost was just a bonus.

>>383501498
It was already remastered for phones and the steam version is the phone version

>>383501498
>Katano-san, you’ve worked on the remaster for FFX, and now FFXII. Are there any other Square Enix titles you’d like to remaster?
>Katano – When it becomes a remaster, not a remake, there is a limit to how far back we can go. I do think that PS2 software was probably the limit. When it becomes a PS1 title, then we would probably have to do a remake instead of a remaster, just because the quality will not be satisfactory for the players if we do a remaster of a PS1 title. So, I fell like I’ve pretty much done everything I can do as a remaster.

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honestly the remaster is pretty damn awful. Look at this shot for example, the lightning and depth of field is just downright terrible on the ps4.

I am very disappointed.

>>383500726
>>2 Jobs per character instead of 1 like in IZJs
>>Spells/Attacks are no longer buffered so you can do a shitton of them at once
These are the only things I cared about. The game could look exactly the same as it did on PS2 for all I care.

>>383501903
then don't fucking play it

>>383501838
Holy fuck

>They're charging money for this

>>383501552
It's pretty bizarre to be honest, they keep handing their big remasters to them, yet they only do the Kingdom Hearts remasters in-house.

>>383501838
pc wins again

>>383501838

They took what was an already beautiful game (on emulator mostly, it was very blurry/blocky on PS2) and added in completely unnecessary visual junk that fucked it up.

Typical SE, do one thing right and go out of your way to mess up 5 more things.

>>383501956
Why would I not play it when they made the changes I wanted them to?

>>383498829
>just pre-order the game, there's no way the remaster could turn out bad!
laughing at all the retards who fell for that shit

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People played FF12?

>>383502149
How about you fuck yourself and beg for more pc ports fag

Why isn't FF XII coming to Switch or Xbox One? Why is Sony holding this game hostage?

>>383502170
Yes it's one of my favorite FF games.

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So it begins.

When's the next time we'll be able to have a FFXII thread without this level of shitposting?

>>383502373
This is pretty tame.

>>383502373

Never, /v/ is for funposting, not for game discussion. Maybe you'll have luck on /vg/.

Good luck beating Zodiark btw, the remaster broke some of his battle triggers and make it literally impossible to beat.

>>383500058
>when it comes to pc

Awful. Every single remaster or enhanced port produced by SE always manages to turn the games into complete garbage.

>>383502597

Elaborate on that.

>>383498829
>still stops your movement to take out weapon and again to put away

shit

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>>383502418
Maybe I am exaggerating a bit but FFXII is such a good fucking game that it's just disheartening to see this much forced anger and willful ignorance over it, just because it's the cool thing to do here.

>>383502597
Source? Video? Anything?

>>383500726
>Forced remixed soundtrack, you need to buy the original one as Paid fucking DLC
No you dont
You just change it in options

>>383502806
Just be thankful there isn't an XII-kun. XII threads will probably go ignored by shitposters for the most part.

>>383500323
>I like the idea of them giving you two jobs per character now, gives you a bit of flexibility.

You realize the original game didn't force you to use restricted classes. The original PS2 release allowed characters to unlock any licenses they wanted.

>flexibility
Forcing class-based roles on the party does not fit the definition of "flexibility." The original game was 100% flexible and allowed characters to learn any and every skill. Then SE decided to gut the license board with the Zodiac Job System release and force you to use classes instead.

>>383500726
>2 Jobs per character instead of 1 like in IZJs

There shouldn't be jobs at all. Holy fuck, did any of you actually play the original game when it came out? FF12 -never- had jobs. It's an artificial restriction that got introduced in the re-releases.

This is not an improvement, you fucking retards.

>>383502967
Might not be a common opinion, but I like the idea of restricting character growth with a job system. Having every character being exactly the same other than quickenings and summons that I'm never going to use isn't fun to me. When I played, I restricted what different characters could do and they still ended up having to learn things I didn't want them to know because of the way the grid was set up.

>>383502967
>The original PS2 release allowed characters to unlock any licenses they wanted.
which lead to every character being copy paste of each other and having no real roles, thus making the game pretty boring

>>383502625

Type Final Fantasy into the steam store search.

It's eye opening.

>played the game for many, many days
>really enjoy it
>finish almost 100% of the stuff in the game
>finally decide to go fight the final boss
>save
>quit
>never touch it again

To this day I still haven't beat it, even though I did pretty much everything else in the game. Anyone else did the same shit?

>>383502726

That pissed me off so much back in the day.

>>383503158
>retard can't wrap mind around jobs
>calls them retarded

LOL

>>383502928
>Just be thankful there isn't an XII-kun
we might have shitposters taking the roles of anti XII-kun

>>383502806
>critical opinions of anything I like is "shitposting"

Did you even read this thread? People are complaining about the remaster being butchered, which is consistent with every other remaster Square-Enix has ever churned out. No one is saying FF12 sucks; they just don't want the game ruined by SE's remastering practices. Which is exactly what's happening.

>>383502967
>>383503158

I understand what you're saying, it's a tacked on restriction, but as someone who hates games where you can acquire every single skill instead of committing to a build, I prefer this new system. I actually would have preferred the one job system over this two jobs one.

>>383503158
Jobs made a lot of spells and weapons viable from the start homo. Also saved you from having same builds on everyone.

>>383498829
>>383502726

Did they fix characters constantly circling the enemy if any gambits were turned on? It wasn't fun having to constantly switch just to move people back out of danger.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DkcWv-ci1c
can't complain

>>383503223
Not uncommon at all. Your choices with quickening and vespers matter now too with it. Job system is way more fun and engaging.

>>383501007
>You never played IZJS.
I did retard, learn you fucking READ.

>2 (TWO) JOBS (CLASSES) PER CHARACTER INSTEAD OF 1 (ONE) LIKE (IT WAS) IN IZJS

COCK
MUNCHER
FAGGOT
NIGGER

>>383503495
I'm mostly seeing complaints that there's depth of field they're not used to, the lighting is slightly moodier, and the FPS is the same as the PS2 version, so somehow it's fucking ruined, even though it introduces major new features that not even the original IZJS release had. Apparently a softer presentation somehow trumps all of that.

Seriously, how is this not a major overreaction to the point of hysteria?

>>383502925
Only first print edition comes with the code for original OST. All other ones need to pay for DLC.
FAGGOT.

>>383502725
>>383502806
His pattern starts overlapping itself and he'll recast the null magic and null phys repeatably on top of each other.

>>383503834

>"""Major""" new features

Calling them major is a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit of a stretch.

>>383501693
Doesn't matter if its the phone version when it is objectively superior to PS1.

>>383503843
Wheres the proofs? This is the first I've heard of it
Sounds like bullshit desu

>>383503834
People love to shitpost and they hate those who have fun, the logical conclusion is that the absolutely want to find something,, no matter what, that looks or act like a negative and fucking bombard thread with them

>>383503270
Rev up those petitions.

>>383503978
Having 2 jobs per character changes the entire gameplay dynamic and balance. That's pretty goddamn major.

>>383503834
You sound like a faggot easily distracted by NEW AND SHINY.

>but they add features why does it matter the aesthetic is ruined

This is a game some of us really appreciated back when it came out so when they release a "remaster" that looks OBJECTIVELY fucking worse we sort of get bitchy, it's not an overreaction, everyone is just pointing out that it looks like hot garbage compared to the original on a system two gens old.

>>383503507

>what are self-imposed challenges

You want the developers to change the game into something completely different because of your own arbitrary preference for a class system. Exactly what is stopping you from imposing these restrictions on yourself? Why do you need to force these restrictions on everybody?

>>383503981
>objectively superior

Oldest bait in the book.

>>383503867
Good thing patches exist now.

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>>383504201
Oh. I guess I somehow didn't appreciate this game when it came out because you say so. And I'm also not allowed to like how the remaster looks because you say so.

I'll make sure to buy an extra copy for you.

>>383504102

The original game let you be all the jobs, limiting them to 1 was just a little cute feature IZJS included.

Which if we're being honest isn't really that much of a feature to begin with as every class outside of the mages is almost exactly the same due to the near complete lack of battle mechanics. Everyone just auto attacks and you hit the fast forward button.

1, 2, 12, 84 jobs, it doesn't matter because the game is missing important baseline combat mechanics and it's irrelevant what you lock jobs at.

>Still only 30fps

Why do Sony fags act like PS4 is a powerhouse when all of it's game are 30fps?

>>383504605
>The original game let you be all the jobs, limiting them to 1 was just a little cute feature IZJS included.
Oh FFS fuck off with that """" argument """", it''s getting really annoying at that point and lots of people already explain why it's better with jobs

>>383503843
Thats what I thought, retard
Go spread misinfo elsewhere

>>383504717
Don't bother. He's obviously either retarded or baiting.

>>383504101

I know you're desperate to troll but to inform you, every single mainline final fantasy title from 3 to 14 (barring 12 currently) is on PC as an official release. Even FF10 and FF10-2 which people thought were never ever status managed to get ported.

That's 15 mainline FF titles and an added bonus of FF Type 0.

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>>383500058
>turn off lightning in lightning returns.

so who do you play as?

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>1440p/30fps

That's just pathetic, PS4 Pro should be able to handle this at 4K/60fps easily

>>383504672
>when all of it's game are 30fps?

But they don't. How PC fags can even post when they are so uneducated autists who have no knowledge about subject they talking about?

Will wait for PEECEE

>>383498829
this is the worst FF. Don't buy, it is even worse than FFXIII.

>>383502170
Yeah and I want my 60h back because the game is trash.

>>383504717

Are you baiting or do you not understand what's being discussed? FF12's vanilla version has no limits to what job you can switch to, IZJS limits you to one and only one job per character, and this version limits you to two. I'm not sure what planet you are from but that's not a MAJOR new addition to the game, if you've ever played FF12 you'd understand how barren the combat system is (they didn't even have time to create a proper threat system) and how the jobs lack any real form of distinction other than the weapon model they use.

So yeah back to the original argument, fucking up the games visuals is not in any way shape or form countered by a very useless job change.

>>383498829
>Graphics comparison for a ps2 remaster

what's the point?

>>383504948
30fps won't work with how the game is coded, but I do agree about the resolution considering wipeout HD is able to run at 4k even when it's checkerboarded, (which is still higher than 1440p).

>>383501838
>that fucking pixels on PC

>>383505283
Not every game can be checkerboarded, but at least it should be 1800p

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>>383505301

>PC version

You mean PS2 version? That's PS2 vs PS4 anon. And yeah it's amazing how good the PS2 version looked.

>>383499583
holy shit he actually sounds normal at that speed.

>>383505454
>PS2
>1440p with AF

Nope

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>American /v/

I'm finally playing this game emulated.
It's so fucking good.

>>383503158
Jobs actually makes more than your favorite 3 characters useful. Id call that a huge improvement.

One of my biggest complaints about the original game was how fucking useless the extra party members are.

>>383501263
Why PC shit eaters have to shitpost so much and attack other people?

This is literally the most divisive game I've ever seen. Why is that?

>>383505841
You would too if you spend that much money on your "rig".

>>383504202
At best, I could see the job system being optional like the master sphere grid in FFX.

I cant see them just deciding not to include it after they already made it for IZJS. Its just objectively better unless actually enjoy playing as Generic Party Member #1, #2, & #3.

>>383500352
This is old game and looks like shit. I guess fits PC gamers standards well.

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be honest, which one looks best?

this... 1/2

>>383505898

It's pretty on the surface but all of the inner workings are a jumbled mess, some people are blinded to the gameplay mechanics being terrible and just latch on to the game and love it for other reasons.

Personally it's the only FF game I disliked so strongly that I had to force myself just to finish it. I'd imagine a lot of that comes from being a long time FF11 player and I can see Squares attempts to port FF11 mechanics over to 12 and how they failed horribly at it.

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>>383506232
or this 2/2

>>383505898
It's ugly on the surface but all of the inner workings are literally 4D chess, some people are blinded to the visuals being terrible and just latch on to the game and love it for other reasons.

Personally it's the only FF game I liked so strongly that I had to force myself just to stop.

>>383505841
Easy replies.

>>383505898
There are two types FF fans. Those who like FF because its like anime and those who like JRPGS. 12 isnt like anime much and it has a weaker and less focused story (Than 7 an 10. The "Anime fan" favorites) due to dev trouble but the gameplay is excellent and it has a lot of content.

Thats why.

>>383505898
It's extremely flawed and filled with questionable design decisions you either like or hate.

>>383506335
1

what the fuck is that post effect on 2?

>>383506335
Could do with a little less post processing but everything else is better on the remaster.

FF12 is the best Final Fantasy game. Fight me. People complain about the about the story and characters but 12 is the only Final Fantasy game with shit loads of post game content.

>>383506569
ambient occlusion

>>383506232
Didn't even remember the original still had blob shadows.

>>383504030
>>383504768
http://gematsu.com/2017/03/final-fantasy-xii-zodiac-age-special-editions-announced

>Background music DLC: Includes digital code to unlock Original Soundtrack Background Music in-game

>Background music DLC: Includes digital code to unlock Original Soundtrack Background Music in-game

>Background music DLC: Includes digital code to unlock Original Soundtrack Background Music in-game

>Background music DLC: Includes digital code to unlock Original Soundtrack Background Music in-game

>Background music DLC: Includes digital code to unlock Original Soundtrack Background Music in-game

NIGGERS

>>383506232
>>383506335

Visually? The original for a few reasons.

>DoF is one of the biggest memes around and only gives me a headache
>DoF and lighting combined may make the game look neat at a distance but when you sit down to play it it just looks awkward with PS2 tier geometry
>Cranked up textures look a little weird, that sand just creeps me out
>The typical faded Ivalice color pallet gets ruined by the darker colors thrown in by the new lighting, also lose some of the detail with the DoF blur

I'd like to see a shot of the HD version with DoF off and the new lighting on, if that's even possible.

>>383506335
Crushed Blacks & the blur is pretty bad, textures & dynamic shadows/AO are nice though

>>383498829
>hei-gg Deee resolution

What the actual fuck. Who the hell talks like this in real life, and unironically not memeing?

>>383506608
Gameplay is literally a spreadsheet simulator.
I've spent more time optimizing gambit shit than playing the game.

a shame it doesnt have downsampling for 1080p users. I dont have a 4k TV, so 1440p is lost as long as the developers dont include downsampling on the pro. The menus btw are 60fps.

>>383505841
It's all they have.

Isn't the voice quality improved too from sounding like everyone was talking in a tin can?

>>383506457
This is a good example of what happens when you start to discuss the flaws of 12, very immature posters can't handle the discussion and start trolling as they freak out.

>>383506943
Gambits are amazing, really loved working through those. It's just a shame they couldn't have a better threat and positioning system to go with it, or maybe even weaponskills and skillchains from FFXI.

Would have been real fun to program in skillchains.

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>>383506335


jeeesus christ

all they had to do was put new font in, but no.

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>>383506608
Technically, it's endgame content. In that sense, a solid 60% of FFX is endgame content, since it's inaccessible until after getting the airship, at which point you're already at the home stretch.

I will say that Yiazmat is certainly a more exciting superboss than Penance, and the grinding necessary to fight him isn't quite so mindless.

Looks great I'm excited.

Who /steelbook/ here?

>>383507134
>Gambits are amazing
They would be amazing if they actually invested more time designing it.
Like for example if your party member cast a spell and the enemy is immune against it, don't cast it again just move onto the next one instead recasting it 24/7.

>>383506232
>>383506335
Emulated.
New lighting and post processing made me instantly drop this.
If PC port has option to turn it off, I'll pick up again.

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>>383500352
Never ever, screen cap this shit right now it's not getting a PC port EVER.

>>383507134
>This is a good example of what happens when you start to discuss the flaws of 12, very immature posters can't handle the discussion and start trolling as they freak out.

Damn dude get down from your high horse every once in a while. You might even learn about something called "jokes" once you're down here with us plebs.

>>383506335
I'd say 2 but SSAO and blur ruins it, so 1

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>>383507567

>>383507648
It aint the SSAO, they crushed the blacks & turned up the contrast for some reason, that's why it's so dark

it works in some scenes, as the game was always too bright in night time, but most other areas it looks worse

>>383498829
>ps4 can't even run a ps2 games at 60fps
why do consoles even exist?

>>383507302

Yeah for sure, they really could have done a lot more with it but just the base idea and what we got was fun.

I always argued that FF12 shouldn't have been a mainline numbered title, it should have been an Ivalice spinoff game. That would have opened the door for a lot of things but chief among them is the opportunity to continue using the gambit system in more titles and keep upgrading and evolving it.

>>383504605
>>1, 2, 12, 84 jobs, it doesn't matter because the game is missing important baseline combat mechanics and it's irrelevant what you lock jobs at.
>>383505127
>if you've ever played FF12 you'd understand how barren the combat system is (they didn't even have time to create a proper threat system) and how the jobs lack any real form of distinction other than the weapon model they use.

to be fair, some of the weapons were unique, like how guns didn't work based on your stats and thus were weak in the main game but on weak mode they were a great weapon since everyone would have low stats all of the time

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>>383498829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmUvuf20Ao
Comparison with the original.

>>383508308
Lighting

is

FUCKED

Seriously why

>>383503978
>>383504102
Removing Effect Capacity is the biggest game changer. You can actually use big spells

Before: Oh you want to cast holy? well too bad because smaller tier spells are being used so you're just going to sit there casting forever

Now: You finished casting holy and here's your fucking holy

>>383510116
This. Most of the major spells were borderline unusable because of how vulnerable it made your caster while they patiently waited for all of the other characters and enemies to take their turns.

My thoughts on this are so fucking mixed.
Gameplay and mechanics are two steps forward.
Visuals are 1 sidestep (textures) and 2 step backwards (lighting and dof).

Seriously fucking why.
Doesn't help that original music is paid DLC.

I'm starting med school in a week and really wanna get this... something to play after exams when my brain is dead

I played a solid 10 hours of the original back in the day, but couldn't get into it because of how slow it was. the 2/4X speed looks awesome... hmmmm

>>383512926
Set your priorities straight man, education before this game is a time sink so i would advise you to wait before playing it

>>383498829

no thanks I'll play it on PC where I can disable that disgusting fucking DoF

seriously it's 2017 and devs still do not understand that camera filters on videogames are fucking retarded

>>383513789
M-M-Muh PC ..... FUCK OFFF, sick of you pseudo elitists fags

>>383514113
Mad because you can't turn the shittiest effect off?

>>383514717
No mad because you fucking mongoloid keep polluting threads about "pc superior platform" " but on pc i could do this " but on pc ...." I got news for you, NOBODY CARES, you're unsufferable fucking idiots that just fucking ruin everything people here discuss the game " i like this, i like that ... but i didn't like this and that" "Oh okay why ?" etc etc .... But of couuuuurse no that's not how thingd roll with the glorious MUHSTARD race you've go in and say "B-B-BUT .... PC" fuck you till death take your last breath

>>383515458
You seem to care enough to get angry about it.

And by the way you type, it seems like you're too young for this website anyway.

PC version when?